The wood "carving" disc really was designed by someone who observed how dangerous chainsaws can be, and how prone to explosive failure angle grinder discs can be, and went yeah, this is worth the potential minor convenience.
I refuse to use those things. A co worker had an accident with one. I had to rush him 45km for attention. We did the rest of the job with a different, safe tool. Took a lot longer, but everyone was safe and undamaged.
I am a sawyer and I like to think I have a pretty good understanding of the dangers of chainsaws. Chainsaws have a number of safety features built into their design that are meant to keep the operator safe, but even then there is no guarantee of safety. This "carving disk" does not feature any of those safety designs and it just looks terrifying to me. I think you are 100% correct in calling it a finger remover and I have the same concerns regarding its use and function. Tossing it is probably the best choice you could have made, and I would make the same choice myself. On a side note, I love your videos and I find them interesting and informative, so thank you very much for your work
Calling it a finger remover is probably pretty optimistic. If you get a kickback with it, it's so light and so small compared to a chainsaw it's basically guarantied to rip right out of your hands and spin around. It could mess up anything, your fingers, your wrist, it can even start disemboweling you if you are holding it close to your body like you often hold an angle grinder for the steadiest grip. If you are holding it close at shoulder level, it could kick back right in to your jugular.
The thing that really gets me about those chain discs is that they're so small that you'll only be using them on a small piece of wood, which in that case just use a normal freaking saw and save yourself the risk of having a chain explode and send 1000 little pieces in all directions
Maybe for a super tough bit of hardwood, but I still wouldn’t trust it. I’m wary of angle grinders as they are, I think the only scars I’ve received from tools (that wasnt caused by me being lazy and not bothering to get the actually appropriate tool for the job) came from a grinder. When they go wrong they go really wrong, really quickly.
I love your videos! That "Lancelot" disc, the chain saw disc actually got me a great job. My soon to be boss is one of those guys that doesn't like using the guard on an angle grinder. He was using one of those discs to carve in his commercial wood sculpture shop. He was also using a compact 5" grinder, the kind that don't really have a handle on the back, you just hang on to the body of the grinder. He also had a wife that didn't allow him to drink beer at home. He absentmindedly slid his hand up the body of the grinder. There was no sewing that finger back on, because it was now a puree sprinkled in the saw dust. Those discs are a very effective tool. But they are not for people that don't have a lot of hours handling an angle grinder. They are also not good for people that are accident prone, or those without strong arms. Some thing else to note. An average chainsaw runs the chain past wood at around 50-60 miles per hour. A 5" angle grinder's disc spinning at 10,000 rpm has a peripheral speed of 148.7 miles per hour. The same grinder with a 4 1/2 inch disc has a peripheral speed of 133.8 miles per hour. This device does not take fingers prisoner.
I had to cut through something that my 4 1/2" disk wouldn't reach through, so I took off the guard and put a 5" disk on it. It didn't take me but two seconds to forget to be careful and I ran my thumb up and against the disk. Luckily it was just a really bad scrape, no damage.
Soild advice i had a similar boss paul he thought he knew absolutely everything a california framer, he would constantly put a cordless Impact inbetween his legs without having to set it down, i used a monster hook on the front of my pouches instead so he was using a angle grinder stuck it between his legs and whammo it went out nearly slicing his balls off in the process. Cut right through his pants and well alot of blood everywhere alot of screaming and all unnecessary. Yep that was bossman pauly washburn the 3rd lol
@@lost4468yt ehhh I’m not a fan of that SN video. For a general audience video, he spends way too much time explaining how he used the tool the wrong way, in my opinion, and not enough saying “don’t ever ever use this tool.” For every person who might possibly be able to use it properly, there are 10,000 who are going to do it wrong.
@@lost4468yt I've spent thousands of hours on angle grinders, by far the tool I've used the most in my whole personal and professional life. I consider myself extremely competent with all sizes of angle and straight grinders, which is why I would genuinely rather fight somebody than observe them use one of those hateful things in my presence. I wouldn't use one for any amount of time or any amount of money--it's honestly one of the most dangerous things I've ever seen that isn't a fucking Soviet microwave gun. The companies that make them should be disbanded and their executives pilloried.
As a welder/fabricator, I must say flat sanding disks for angle grinders are quite underrated. All you need is a proper backing pad, and the sanding disks are dirt cheap. They work great for stuff that needs to have a totally flat finished surface, or blending handrails smooth. Flapper disks are easy to use and work great for quick blends, but often leave more low spots if you aren't careful. Also, there are backers for scotch brites that work surprisingly well with angle grinders.
I use the spongy scotch-brite pad with the quick change thing all the time with a right angle die grinder. Makes deburring complex parts, especially those of "gummy" materials a breeze compared to hand filing and sanding.
@@copperlemon1 yea those scotch brite pats are great, used them for hardwood.. u can also get special sand paper for angle grinders wich are amazing aswel.
Flat sanding disks on angle grinders are worlds better than flappy discs for most things i find. An 80 grit disc will remove a crazy amount of material and one pad will last 3 flappy discs, for a quarter of the price. Flappy discs suck, the second you use it its dull and you'll have 30 half worn discs on the bench that don't cut but still too much meat to throw out. Pferd Combiclicks are the GOAT if the boss is paying and you actually have other work to do...
Yea as another metal worker, dont buy the super cheapo chinese flapper wheels.. they like to randomly explode in a poof.. they wont really hurt you like if a cutoff wheel exploded.. ive had those flapper deals hit me in the gut and felt like getting slapped.. had a cutoff wheel on my 4.5” explode and that one went in the gut.. had to go to the er to get it taken out and my poop tube fixed…. I go full old man status now.. invest in a good leather bib.. your pecker might thank you for it…
So underrated! When I was welding large aluminium extrusions into fancy doors I found you could use a bit of wax lube and get the whole disc in contact with the surface to get the same surface finish as orbital sanding in a fraction of the time. Takes some finesse to keep it stable at angle grinder speeds, but so worth it since you can flatten off a weld so well that you couldn't see any reflection ripple on the high-gloss powdercoat we used. For aluminium the lube is CRUCIAL though.
Love the channel and video. One thing I might add, for anyone unaware, KNOW YOUR MATERIAL. NEVER use a cutoff wheel on aluminum. That shit will explode in your face. That’s the first thing my dad taught me about steel cutoff wheels. I’ve never tried it and don’t intend to.
I learned this the hard way. I set mine down and it toppled over like 2 feet and I stupidly fired it right back up even though I thought to myself "oh I better change that out. It might have cracked or something" but did it anyways. It sent the disc flying in chunks. Luckily it shot away from me. Never again.
You guys crack me up. I own a small fab shop. I have 7 or 8 of them. They all have a very specific tool in them. I've just learned that they all get set on their backs. It protects the cutter and keeps the trigger from trippin. But I sure as hell ain't wasting time just randomly removing cutters and pads.
@brianellison3525 so, the tip for someone with multiple grinders, in a fab shop is to not worry. Okay. How about the rest of us? Lol. It's a good tip. Don't knock it
24 years as a metalworker.... all around excellent video with solid info. Most of the time those disc's break because people turn or lean them while they are cutting and don't realize it. Eventually they either wear a weak spot or pinch/bind it and it goes poof. Every new guy I come across using their grinder wrong I show the scar on my face and hand from the ONE time I forgot to wear my face shield.. Was stopping to put it on and the piece I was cutting folded in on itself. Pinched the wheel, tore a chunk out of it, shot the grinder into my hand which basically fileted the left index finger as it shot up and the gearbox smacked me square in the mouth. It split my lip in half and knocked my front two top teeth out. ER doctor called in a surgeon to do the 6 stitches to realign my top lip so it would look normal. Got written up at work and had one nasty headache. Never had forgotten it before and have never forgotten it since.
The flapper disc really is a game changer. Absolutely wonderful. Needless to say the chain disc looks like a futuristic torture device, never seen one in person before. Thankfully my old boss didn't either or he 100% would have bought a couple for the shop.
Wife has a finger remover and has done a fair bit of carving with it. I've expressed my distrust frequently (she doesn't use it any more). It's amazing to me that they can even sell those honestly.
Their is other types of grinder attachments made for carving, Seen one that is a metal disk with two blades, and another type that is more like a wood rasp in disk form. Safer? No clue, personally a dermal with a bur I think would be safer.
@@grim667 had all three, and from experience I can say that the finger remover is the worst option out of all of them. The ONLY thing it was better at was roughing off wet thick bark and dead wood, that would otherwise gum up rasps or blades. At that point though, you really shouldn’t risk a finger on a piece of wood in that state. Scary little shits, any alternative is better.
I was using a wire brush a few months back. Went to bed fine woke up the next morning and couldn't bend my right leg. Went to the ER and they pulled a needle about an inch and half long out. Instantly able to walk again and honestly felt like an idiot. Went right through my jeans no problem so yes please take precautions with those.
Thanks for the video. I got that little DeWalt grinder in a 3 tool kit (grinder, drill, and impact driver). These tools, especially the grinder and the driver, have proven to be great productivity boosters in my shop. However, I feel the temptation to get fast and sloppy with these little battery grinders every time I pick one up. They are so small and toy-like, it's too easy to underestimate their ability to maim or even kill. I've owned and used grinders for around 40 years, but I still stopped and watched your video end to end. I particularly appreciated you taking the battery out when changing discs. A good reminder to me to stop being lazy and always do likewise, and not just when I'm not in a hurry. Thanks again for the content.
The metal cut off wheels very much earned the shorthand of deathwheel. The chain wheel, is a whole bunch of nope, for a myriad of reasons. Back when I took my welding class my teacher correctly described the humble grinder as the most dangerous tool in the shop, and he said this while setting up the torches. He was absolutely right.
Who TF calls cutoff wheels deathwheels? If you have the guard on then they are the second-safest thing you can put on a grinder behind basic grinding/sanding discs. Never had one explode in my many years, but you just keep the area that it can explode into pointed away and you have very little to worry about. Someone using that term gives me the impression of a person who keeps breaking wheels but has not worked out why that is happening. Your welding teacher was certainly right about it being the most dangerous hand tool though, as soon as you start using non-grinding attachments you can get real dangerous, even wire-wheels are incredibly risky.
Oh wait, mop wheels are probably the safest. But if you were being a massive nerd you could probably group them in with grinding/sanding disks, it's nano-grinding lol.
I love your honesty. Its this pure hearted stuff that lets me know that all of your UA-cam content is for shits and giggles, not clicks and cash. Keep it up, Some-Jerk-Off-in-the-Back-of-a-Van!
Am with you 100% on that finger removal chain thing-a-majiggy. Good Lord, that little chain gives me chills. Excellent review and would like to see more of these. All I can say is I'm ticked off about missing the sale. Have an old grinder that's seen better days and works fine, but tired of the cord. Thanks for taking the time to give us some reminders on what not to do. Be well!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Knowing how many safety features have been put in the usual modern chainsaw to keep the chain out of one´s flesh even when the chain happens to break, the thought of using that chainwheel instead of a chainsaw even on the cheaper side of the price-scale, sounds moronic to me.
I don’t own a grinder, and don’t have much call for one with the type of woodworking I do - and I still learned something. Well done, keep being awesome! Cheers
I don't use power tools like that... and it's an education to see a guy like you, tough, and with the experience you have, as concerned about the wood blade as you apparently are. Thanks for your honesty. Take your "like".
Around here the "wood" blade is most oftenly seen being used making ice sculptures. The twin cities has a big habit of making big deals out of our Ice Palace and so forth.....
@@bmo14lax Oh, puhlease. Getting minor wounds are part of becoming a man. I remember when my dad taught me to desolder parts out of an old 1970s set on the wooden stump I split wood at. I came in to dinner that night with all kinds of little burns mostly to the backs of my hands. I was a child then, now I am a man.
@@bmo14lax Safety isn't always in our hands, though. I had a thoracotomy (Dr speak for rib removal) by a thoracic cardiac specialist and as a result I lost the use of my left hand. It's cold on the outside and feels like my funny bone was hit 24/7. So with that in mind I would not preclude a known grown adult male with some common sense to use these power tools. You might as well live while you have the chance to do so!
I tried watching AvE once, and even after 3 minutes of him speaking I still had no idea what he was talking about. I think the video was about putting duck tape on a spool of wire or something.
I've been running a cordless grinder for several years now and have been very happy with it. I still have my corded grinders for when I need to modify a bunch of brackets, but 95% of my grinding work is cordless.
I don't know how much time goes into your videos like this one man but I love them. Have a newer ryobi + grinder so I don't need one but you still taught me stuff watching this. So basically, thanks for all the time you spend on these man. As a disabled homeowner diy'er I appreciate the tips and of course the humor man. Merry Christmas brother!
Getting that deal in the beginning I would have never found a deal for my pops for his birthday this year. You're a goddamn life saver with that and with the advice for the wood carving disc's. Holy shit dude
Flapper disks are my absolute favorite way to sharpen a machete. Very fast and doesn't cook and ruin the edge like any sort of grinding wheel has a tendency to. I also feel that a grinder is the one tool where you pretty much always want to just take the battery out of it once you're done with it. They're scary as hell compared to basically any other battery powered tool you might use, because that damn thing can twist and turn any which way and cause you all sorts of harm.
I really like flapper disks for the same reason. Grinding stones work really well for removing torch slag or large amounts of material, but far too often I see people try to use them for delicate work. Whenever I've tried to be delicate with them they just make a ton of noise and make the base metal really hot and look like shit.
I just got my first portable angle grinder this summer and I usually sharpen my li ion mower's blade once a season and this time I did it 6 times and cleaned up the alley because the neighbor's never do it. Mulched everything up superfine for composting.
One thing I like to use more often these days are diamond blades. They cut through pretty much anything fairly efficiently, you don't have to change the blade as much and they're a lot less sketchy than a normal abrasive cutoff wheel as long as you don't get them too hot. DeWalt has a pretty good diamond blade for about 8 bucks, probably get a lot more life out of that blade than 8 dollars worth of normal cutoff wheels though there are other diamond blades out there more suited for cutting metal and will last longer doing so.
An old acquaintance of mine nearly lost both his legs when he used one of those diamond disks. It shattered and the pieces went into his legs. Looked horrible
I use mine for rock, ceramic or concrete. Never thought about cutting metal with it but can sharpen them better than the way they came from the factory by tinking the diamond up with the edge of a file. Theres a UA-cam video on how to sharpen them as youre not really filing at it. Just tinking like a bell.
@@gantz4uyeah they're mason blades, I'm not sure what my guy is cutting other than that with them...they dang sure won't cut wood or metal. Nothing harder than copper or brass. Maybe PVC pipe?
@@A_Stereotypical_Heretic I cut PVC with a hacksaw and honestly forgot this guy is cutting everything with a diamond wheel. I just whipped my diamond wheel out and it cut through a limestone facade as quick as a 2x4 (with a circular saw and framing blade)..Im still whipping out consumable cut off wheels for steel. I dont find cut off wheels sketchy at all. But I also will opt to not fully penetrate what im cutting, then use the less that paper thin leftover to either rip it apart by hand or delicately remove it with the cut off wheel at the very end. The cut off wheel is not dangerous. People are dangerous to themselves usually from substance abuse, inattentiveness and complete lack of evidently uncommon sense.
Another little tip for cut off wheels is to be mindful of the direction the grinder is gonna go if (when) the wheel catches (kickback) and be sure you've got a hold of the grinder.
Exactly! The next level is working out what way the grinder will move on a smaller scale when you consider the grinder's centre of mass and how you are holding it. If pushback will cause the cut-off wheel to be pressed harder into the material then you have a problem, since a tiny pushback will just put more force into the material and within a few microseconds it will have become a massive kickback (never grind above the centre of the disc and such). You do also have to watch for areas where kickback or accidental movement could make the grinder run into some other part of the material that would cause a much worse kickback.
I love your tube. You remind me so much of a very dear friend that worked for me over 20 years ago with your intellect and body language. We worked together off road for the mining industry. It was some of the harshest conditions and he being a Marine never complained and just kept working.
Man, do I LOVE your videos Funk. You ve covered just about everything regarding angle grinders. I work with an angle grinder probably the most out if any tools and they generally are extremely dangerous. Learned it first hand when I had a chip break out of a cutoff wheel, the tool then jumped, cut my stomach, went into my work short's pocket and started yanking the shorts off me. Still yet to try the finger remover but if I do one day I might be wearing a bombproof suit 😂. Keep up the amazing content bro.
These things have been staring me in the face for months. I have picked it up and put it down 10 times. Haven’t been able to justify it. You have given me courage to find a purpose
I wouldn't buy the chain disks but what I do use quite regularly is a speedcutter. Basically a 3-tooth circular saw blade with carbide teeth. Never in my life have I held such an effective handheld demolition tool. Cuts right through a 5m OSB wall and the front surface of the steel studs behind it in 10 seconds. It's also much safer than that death trap of a chainsaw wheel but still quite dangerous. People still manage to injure themselves with those. I've noticed a pattern with some of those accidents, though: often the victim has put the side handle on the right instead of on the left and effectively use the angle grinder upside down, making it very likely to produce kickback. I think that's because a circular saw usually rotates in the opposite direction to an angle grinder and the user incorrectly assumes the saw blade must spin that way on the grinder too. And when this is not the case, the guard is still not on there correctly to prevent kickback. But anyway, yes, the material removal rate is very high, so be careful and never use it when you're getting tired.
The flapper disk is truly the next level up for giving your work a seriously professional finish. I welded a chunk of 1/2" x3/8" square stock to an 8" adjustable and made an adjustable hammer 😂 My boss/owner seen it and laughed and asked where i bought it. My welds are pretty fugly but you spend some time getting to know a flapper disk and have an eye for blending and it will make you look good 😎
I love your channel man. Your long content is awesome and you are pretty much the only person I bother to watch shorts for. It's also nice you take safety seriously, many youtubers don't bother.
All year I've been having a hard time finding content to watch that I actually enjoy. Came across this channel from the shorts about a month ago and it's been great watching since. Cheers!
One of the most common reasons the cut-off wheels explode is they are used past the printed expiration date that many people don't know about. UV exposure, temperature and humidity changes, and just wear and tear of being in a tool box all break down the glue that holds them together.
Hi I am from Pakistan and I am in same profession as you are for 20 years and I enjoy watching all your videos because I can understand everything you are saying or showing and I enjoy this a lot thank you for doing the effort and making these videos..Asad Barlas
Great video. The only thing I would add is to use a dust mask or something when using a cutting wheel especially the cheaper ones or any kind for an extended time. That dust is nasty and you will breathe it in.
I appreciate your videos a lot, found you via shorts and I really appreciate seeing safety taken seriously. I have to use grinders for my job on occasion and I wasn't really taught how to do it or the risk of blades shattering. Thanks for making me a little bit safer on the job
I got a Milwaukee cordless grinder about a year ago. With the 4 or 6 amp hour batteries the usable time is actually pretty impressive. It’s rare that I use my corded one now.
#2 is what our bad welders call "old reliable" and unfortunately my boss calls it that too when he wants a lot of things cleaned. Also I'm here to testify that you can't always take rocks off by hand when you put them on that way, sometimes you gotta resort to holding the button and slamming the rock into some solid surface in the lefty-loosey direction to work it off lol.
Ive never really used tools but I just sat through over 20 minutes of you talking about them, you have a way of very informative and entertaining through the whole ordeal!
Only "finger remover" wheel I've ever used was a bit different, it was a solid steel disk with five chainsaw style teeth machined into the edge of it. Only time I ever used it was carving shallow bowl shapes into the end of an oak log to use when dishing sheet metal. Overall it worked pretty well, but when grabbed it would kick out of the cut quite violently. After cutting a couple of bowl shapes I put it up and never used it again. Since then I've found carbide toothed shaping dishes made by Kutzall that do a similar job and while I wouldn't want to touch one that was spinning I think it's a much safer design. Lots of little teeth instead of a few big ones as it's basically a sort of carbide burr. It can still kick out but they're designed to cut while horizontal like a regular grinding disk so you have more control over the grinder.
Didn't learn anything new, but I take a bit comfort in the fact that we agree on everything, and we use the grinder in the same way... even with how we both load a new disk on the Dewalt, by tightening them with a hand, and just make sure they are on correct, then they self-tighten... so great vid, for anyone who needs to learn how to use a angle grinder correct!
I bought a big Craftsman v20 kit this summer for $150 off and I got my first angle grinder. Love the thing! Most surprisingly is how much I love the Oscillating multitool/sander/plunge saw which I have been using to restore really old old vintage tools. Been doing a set of old japanese mortising chisels that I think my dad bought. They'll look like a million bucks when I am done! All hail the power of ScoutCrafter channel and Ukraine! 💙💛
Thanks for the disc and tool review. The chain disc is interesting, I suppose it would be great to finish up the stump bear or ice flamingo, but not sure it's worth the risk everywhere else. Glad you didn't lose a finger, reminds me I gotta buy some snausages for the dog 😉
I love your sense of humor and down to earth humbleness. The one thing to realize, is that DeWalt, like most major power tool brands that are for sale at big box stores, is a different spec. What I mean is they usually spec a cheaper motor and internals to offer it at a lower price. I bought a DeWalt and a Hilti from HD only to find out they had crap motors and didn't last as long as I expected.
There’s a woodworker here on UA-cam (StumpyNubs) who was doing a video on power woodcarving and was testing out a chainsaw grinder disc to show how dangerous they are. He ended up in the emergency room nearly losing his finger because of that dangerous disc is. He’s a professional with years of experience and respect for his tools, but still had an accident with how dangerous the chainsaw discs are.
Anyone who thinks those chainsaw disks are reasonable to use has not used a chain saw with a sharp chain or a powerful angle grinder. Those are terrifying.
@@A6Legit yea and chainsaws have brakes and guards and handles all designed for chainsaw chains, like Funk says, if that chain disk did touch you, its taking a huge bite.
My friend always buys the most powerful tool he can get, icluding grinders. I understand the big models, but 115/125mm models I've understood. It's really nasty when powerful grinder kicks. Even at work on desk I rather use bit more lesser battery grinder than my really powerful mains one, unless I'm polishing something.
My local Orange box store refuses to stock them after one of their training classes nearly became the scene of slasher flick. They were carving wood without realizing the chuck of wood had a roofing nail in it. Some of the blades on the disk took out their one of their window displays. Half a foot to the right and it would have went through an employee's face.
I was doing manual wood carving for more than a decade and while preparing the wood I learned to use all kinds of electric and basic tools and machines for wood. I learned from best people and I never had major accident like losing my finger or something like that. We have saying "Measure twice, cut once" and much more important is to take all safety measures and use the tool/machine as intended. I definitely support you for throwing that chainsaw away.
I prefer the diamond cutoff wheels for that reason. I don't use them super often, so the abrasive wheels sometimes end up damaged from bouncing around in the bag. The diamond ones are much safer.
Those old bosch tools go on forever. Love the old bosch stuff. We use an old 36v bosch sds. Things almost 20 yrs old. Its huge by todays standards, but we all still use it on the heavy duty stuff and to keep our new gen 18v stuff running longer, but it really is awesome. Never skips a beat. The boss does give it a lil love once a year but its some old tool.
that chain cutter wheel is straight out of a horror film. I'm very curious to know what was the conversation like at that board meeting where a marketing person identified a gap in the market, an engineer proposed this solution, and an executive approved it...
It appeared like the DeWalt tool didn't turn as fast as an AC (wall) powered tool, but I didn't see any loss of torque or slower cutting because of that. That chainsaw disc did seem like it would be mighty useful for grinding out small areas of wood, for instance making a notch in a stud for conduit.
I've used those "finger removers" on occasion and never thought a thing about it. Can't say I've ever heard of anyone hurting themselves with them but you've successfully scared me away from them for no real reason 🤣
Happy Holidays, Funk FPV! Besides your incredible knowledge of tools, machines, what is good, what isn't, what is clear is that you are a fast learner. If you are a father, congratulations, if not, light a fire under that project. The very vision of you as a father strikes me dumb. Patience, humor, perception. Go! Go! Go!
Agreed, use a chainsaw or sawzall to cut wood. Angle grinder is for grinding & surfacing. Thanks for the testing and tips. Bummer about the van clean up due to a review video. LOL
Really appreciate your humor on the short videos and thanks for the informative overview on different wheels for the angle grinder. Another option for cutting wood without the added risk of the chain is something like a multi wheel cutting disc. I use a Bosch one and it has teeth like a saw and is designed for several materials including wood and makes clean cuts.
One of the things that freaks me out the most about those chainsaw style wheels is that on an actual chainsaw the tip of the bar is the kickback zone as you stated. This is because it’s rounded so it is the part that can send the saw into a kickback. Particularly the top and bottom area of the tip of the bar where the chain changes direction, and the rakers can’t control the bite of the tooth as effectively. With those wheels, the whole thing is a kickback zone. It’s just insane. Also, a chainsaw is a 2t engine so it doesn’t have much torque, which is why chainsaw chaps/pants work. The protective chaps/pants are filled with lots of fibers (usually kevlar) and that binds the chain and bar up if you touch them and they rip open. The low torque of the engine change power through that and it stops the chain, but it’s stated in the manual of the newer electric saws that the chaps/pants can’t stop the electric motor because of the torque. The grinder is obviously similar because it’s an electric motor and has a lot of torque making any kickbacks that do occur much more violent. Another thing I’ve learned at my job working at a Stihl dealer and repair shop is that a demo saw (cutoff saw, the ones for cutting pavement or concrete) has about an 80% fatality rate on kickbacks, and according to Stihl is statistically the most dangerous tool.
I have same size Bosch grinder from early 90's. Heavily used. No other problems but the cord has to be changed every 25 years. (and off course the brushes when they wear out) I've been waiting it to fail so i can justify buying a cordless one.
I like a sawsall for that kind of thing, personally. Lots of different blades you can out in one of those, including your longer pruning blades. Great tool for yardwork, I've found.
@@Motoko1134 although I prune with hand pruners and pole pruners, Sawzall does offer a saw blade dedicated to pruning. It looks like a good idea, depending on what kind of pruning youre doing. Too heavy tho, Most people will opt for a hand pruning saw if youre climbing a pine. If youre stripping a downed pine of limbs to get the log I can see its use case.
Honestly, most tools are multifunctional, you can get a chainsaw beam cutter attachment for a circular saw. If safety is a concern, it's simple, don't use it. As always, good video
The real question is who sells the attachment? You don't see good tool makers selling the angle grinder chainsaw discs but they sell grinding, cutting, wire, masonry, sanding, flap, even carbide wheels for hardwood.
@@SuperFunkmachine well there are brands that are quality that sell ridiculous attachments. My point being that everyone is hopping on the safety band wagon. Safety is your own concern, not mine. As far as quality, that's an open debate.
@@A6Legit oh for sure but man angle grinders for me are just terrifying. I just think it's the amount of power generated by a hand tool and then attaching an explosive, or finger eating, or shrapnel throwing wheel on it that freaks me out. It definitely requires a lot of patience and precision.
I love watching this guy, very useful info, very entertaining videos with humour thrown in. As far as the chain disc goes, I would never feel safe using one.
The chainsaw discs are for the same dudes that nip V's into their metal grinding wheels to "remove metal faster". I will be the first to say, grinder wheels exploding are no joke, those things shatter when compromised and shoot very fast. There are so many safer and ultimately more efficient ways to remove wood than buying one of these death wheels. I appreciate your thoughts and honesty about them, they are shared by many other responsible tool users.
I hope you decide to become a shop teacher someday. Wonderful presentation, clear, concise, decent sound, easy to see. Im terrified of the finger remover 5000, btw.
Have one of these and it has been great in my welding business. The beast of this is the 20-volt version which I have they both are great products. Thank you for your tube!!!!
Having been a sawyer for the forest svc, i had been coveting that chainsaw blade for awhile before finally pulling the trigger. It's been stashed for about 3 months now waiting for the right job. I'm glad you beat me to it though I'm not sure I'll have the level of discipline you did. I saw what it did & I'm glad you were honest bc I saw that you saw....😁 Anyway, observing your work i did see a possible weakness, that being it's value as a high volume material remover for something small enough that a chainsaw feels like overkill. Yet, as you worked, I didn't like what i felt was your "safe working range". Not nearly as easy to reach all angles I would've wanted. Thanks for doing my heavy lifting, either way, though! Keep up the good hoodie work!
Great video man, great info, especially on cutoff wheels and the heat damage to the disk from plunge cuts. When using any wheel look on the graphic it will tell you the angle the wheel can be used. i also always run new disks for a minute before use but maybe im just superstitious
You perfectly proved why the finger remover blade is pointless when you had to rotate the wood to cut right through. The sarcasm on your face was priceless! 😂 😂
I've got the 20v DeWalt grinder, but it never comes out of the toolbox, sits right next to it's 18v older brother. The 60v is my go to at work, loved it so much I got a second one for at home on the farm. Same power as the 13A DeWalt corded collecting dust on the shelf. 60 is my go to.
Congratulations on your new grinder I got to get one of them that is also I'm glad it worked out for you and thanks for giving us to tips on how to use them and what not to use them thank you again freesheet to safety tips you're awesome thank you for keeping his down-to-earth God bless you have a blessed day
Aside from the kickback issues you mentioned with the finger remover the fact is that chainsaw chain is designed to move in a wave down the flat sides of a chainsaw bar, when over tightened and forced to remain in contact with the bar they cut inefficiently and dull quickly. I'd think it would be better to just have some sort of circular saw blade that's made to cut in a fixed circle.
The chainsaw disc @15:25 is my favourite piece of wall art. I saw someone using one to carve stuff on UA-cam so I ordered one. When it arrived it looked scary even when it wasn't spinning at over 1000rpm. I later watched a woodworker "Stumpy nubs" he is actually a really safe woodworker but he demoed a serious injury from this blade so the chainsaw disc is now firmly attached to my workshop wall.
I have five different 4 1/2" angle grinders. 1) wire brush = Can't find a good one. A good one to me is one that is somewhat in balance and does not vibrate me so bad that I wonder if I will even be able to go on, not to mention that it constantly throws wires in all directions. 2) regular grinding wheel = Have used one forever. Love them in the weld shop. 3) cut-off wheel (.045") = A total miracle if used properly and for the right purpose. Makes "finish quality" cuts. 4) flap disc = Lawn mower blade sharpener 5) chain saw wheel = Bought a couple for a project. Have found it just as easy to leave them in the box. They just don't look safe. One mishap and I am afraid that the consequences would be dire. Work safely. Wear all safety equipment. The tools don't have a conscience.
The anxiety you have from the cut off wheel is outstanding. I’m sure you’re “comfortable” and still full of anxiety when it comes to the cut off. Listening to the stress in your voice and watching you work your souls courage up is proof enough of your are “comfortable” with the cut off wheel and still don’t show anxiety you probably shouldn’t be using it.
The wood "carving" disc really was designed by someone who observed how dangerous chainsaws can be, and how prone to explosive failure angle grinder discs can be, and went yeah, this is worth the potential minor convenience.
Besides exploding, they're horribly unpredictable if they 'catch' on the wood. Stumpy Nubs has an excellent vid on those things.
I refuse to use those things. A co worker had an accident with one. I had to rush him 45km for attention. We did the rest of the job with a different, safe tool. Took a lot longer, but everyone was safe and undamaged.
"Best" of both worlds.
It was probably designed by a guy who really didn't like his wife or had just put a nice life insurance policy on her. 🤷♂️
Yolo lol
I am a sawyer and I like to think I have a pretty good understanding of the dangers of chainsaws. Chainsaws have a number of safety features built into their design that are meant to keep the operator safe, but even then there is no guarantee of safety. This "carving disk" does not feature any of those safety designs and it just looks terrifying to me. I think you are 100% correct in calling it a finger remover and I have the same concerns regarding its use and function. Tossing it is probably the best choice you could have made, and I would make the same choice myself.
On a side note, I love your videos and I find them interesting and informative, so thank you very much for your work
Calling it a finger remover is probably pretty optimistic. If you get a kickback with it, it's so light and so small compared to a chainsaw it's basically guarantied to rip right out of your hands and spin around. It could mess up anything, your fingers, your wrist, it can even start disemboweling you if you are holding it close to your body like you often hold an angle grinder for the steadiest grip. If you are holding it close at shoulder level, it could kick back right in to your jugular.
The thing that really gets me about those chain discs is that they're so small that you'll only be using them on a small piece of wood, which in that case just use a normal freaking saw and save yourself the risk of having a chain explode and send 1000 little pieces in all directions
Nope. I actually know few that use those and they use them for carving large wood ornaments, like bears etc.
It's not meant for saw cuts. It's for shaping.
Maybe for a super tough bit of hardwood, but I still wouldn’t trust it. I’m wary of angle grinders as they are, I think the only scars I’ve received from tools (that wasnt caused by me being lazy and not bothering to get the actually appropriate tool for the job) came from a grinder.
When they go wrong they go really wrong, really quickly.
@@Josef_R like a rotary tool?
It's for power carving and they work well, but they're still incredibly dangerous
I love your videos! That "Lancelot" disc, the chain saw disc actually got me a great job. My soon to be boss is one of those guys that doesn't like using the guard on an angle grinder. He was using one of those discs to carve in his commercial wood sculpture shop. He was also using a compact 5" grinder, the kind that don't really have a handle on the back, you just hang on to the body of the grinder. He also had a wife that didn't allow him to drink beer at home. He absentmindedly slid his hand up the body of the grinder. There was no sewing that finger back on, because it was now a puree sprinkled in the saw dust. Those discs are a very effective tool. But they are not for people that don't have a lot of hours handling an angle grinder. They are also not good for people that are accident prone, or those without strong arms. Some thing else to note. An average chainsaw runs the chain past wood at around 50-60 miles per hour. A 5" angle grinder's disc spinning at 10,000 rpm has a peripheral speed of 148.7 miles per hour. The same grinder with a 4 1/2 inch disc has a peripheral speed of 133.8 miles per hour. This device does not take fingers prisoner.
I had to cut through something that my 4 1/2" disk wouldn't reach through, so I took off the guard and put a 5" disk on it. It didn't take me but two seconds to forget to be careful and I ran my thumb up and against the disk. Luckily it was just a really bad scrape, no damage.
Soild advice i had a similar boss paul he thought he knew absolutely everything a california framer, he would constantly put a cordless Impact inbetween his legs without having to set it down, i used a monster hook on the front of my pouches instead so he was using a angle grinder stuck it between his legs and whammo it went out nearly slicing his balls off in the process. Cut right through his pants and well alot of blood everywhere alot of screaming and all unnecessary. Yep that was bossman pauly washburn the 3rd lol
@@lost4468yt ehhh I’m not a fan of that SN video. For a general audience video, he spends way too much time explaining how he used the tool the wrong way, in my opinion, and not enough saying “don’t ever ever use this tool.” For every person who might possibly be able to use it properly, there are 10,000 who are going to do it wrong.
I found myself gritting my teeth and wincing while I was reading that 🥴
@@lost4468yt I've spent thousands of hours on angle grinders, by far the tool I've used the most in my whole personal and professional life. I consider myself extremely competent with all sizes of angle and straight grinders, which is why I would genuinely rather fight somebody than observe them use one of those hateful things in my presence. I wouldn't use one for any amount of time or any amount of money--it's honestly one of the most dangerous things I've ever seen that isn't a fucking Soviet microwave gun. The companies that make them should be disbanded and their executives pilloried.
As a welder/fabricator, I must say flat sanding disks for angle grinders are quite underrated. All you need is a proper backing pad, and the sanding disks are dirt cheap. They work great for stuff that needs to have a totally flat finished surface, or blending handrails smooth. Flapper disks are easy to use and work great for quick blends, but often leave more low spots if you aren't careful. Also, there are backers for scotch brites that work surprisingly well with angle grinders.
I use the spongy scotch-brite pad with the quick change thing all the time with a right angle die grinder. Makes deburring complex parts, especially those of "gummy" materials a breeze compared to hand filing and sanding.
@@copperlemon1 yea those scotch brite pats are great, used them for hardwood..
u can also get special sand paper for angle grinders wich are amazing aswel.
Flat sanding disks on angle grinders are worlds better than flappy discs for most things i find. An 80 grit disc will remove a crazy amount of material and one pad will last 3 flappy discs, for a quarter of the price. Flappy discs suck, the second you use it its dull and you'll have 30 half worn discs on the bench that don't cut but still too much meat to throw out.
Pferd Combiclicks are the GOAT if the boss is paying and you actually have other work to do...
Yea as another metal worker, dont buy the super cheapo chinese flapper wheels.. they like to randomly explode in a poof.. they wont really hurt you like if a cutoff wheel exploded.. ive had those flapper deals hit me in the gut and felt like getting slapped.. had a cutoff wheel on my 4.5” explode and that one went in the gut.. had to go to the er to get it taken out and my poop tube fixed…. I go full old man status now.. invest in a good leather bib.. your pecker might thank you for it…
So underrated! When I was welding large aluminium extrusions into fancy doors I found you could use a bit of wax lube and get the whole disc in contact with the surface to get the same surface finish as orbital sanding in a fraction of the time. Takes some finesse to keep it stable at angle grinder speeds, but so worth it since you can flatten off a weld so well that you couldn't see any reflection ripple on the high-gloss powdercoat we used. For aluminium the lube is CRUCIAL though.
Love the channel and video. One thing I might add, for anyone unaware, KNOW YOUR MATERIAL. NEVER use a cutoff wheel on aluminum. That shit will explode in your face. That’s the first thing my dad taught me about steel cutoff wheels. I’ve never tried it and don’t intend to.
My top tip for grinders, is to take cutting disks out when you're done. It's so easy to break the disks when they have the weight of the tool.
I learned this the hard way. I set mine down and it toppled over like 2 feet and I stupidly fired it right back up even though I thought to myself "oh I better change that out. It might have cracked or something" but did it anyways. It sent the disc flying in chunks. Luckily it shot away from me. Never again.
I always remove attachments.
You guys crack me up. I own a small fab shop. I have 7 or 8 of them. They all have a very specific tool in them. I've just learned that they all get set on their backs. It protects the cutter and keeps the trigger from trippin. But I sure as hell ain't wasting time just randomly removing cutters and pads.
I buy Harbor Freight cutoff disks for that very reason. I break way more than I wear out.
@brianellison3525 so, the tip for someone with multiple grinders, in a fab shop is to not worry.
Okay.
How about the rest of us? Lol.
It's a good tip. Don't knock it
24 years as a metalworker.... all around excellent video with solid info.
Most of the time those disc's break because people turn or lean them while they are cutting and don't realize it. Eventually they either wear a weak spot or pinch/bind it and it goes poof.
Every new guy I come across using their grinder wrong I show the scar on my face and hand from the ONE time I forgot to wear my face shield..
Was stopping to put it on and the piece I was cutting folded in on itself. Pinched the wheel, tore a chunk out of it, shot the grinder into my hand which basically fileted the left index finger as it shot up and the gearbox smacked me square in the mouth. It split my lip in half and knocked my front two top teeth out.
ER doctor called in a surgeon to do the 6 stitches to realign my top lip so it would look normal. Got written up at work and had one nasty headache.
Never had forgotten it before and have never forgotten it since.
The flapper disc really is a game changer. Absolutely wonderful. Needless to say the chain disc looks like a futuristic torture device, never seen one in person before. Thankfully my old boss didn't either or he 100% would have bought a couple for the shop.
I discovered the flapper discs about 15 years ago. I was sold the first time I used them.
flap discs are okay for one minute of sanding, but then they load up with pitch
Wife has a finger remover and has done a fair bit of carving with it. I've expressed my distrust frequently (she doesn't use it any more). It's amazing to me that they can even sell those honestly.
they sell alcohol and tobacco products for years which kills 10000x more people than these or chainsaws combiend.
Their is other types of grinder attachments made for carving, Seen one that is a metal disk with two blades, and another type that is more like a wood rasp in disk form. Safer? No clue, personally a dermal with a bur I think would be safer.
They should be outright banned due to being so dangerous and people being too incompetent to use it safely.
@@grim667 had all three, and from experience I can say that the finger remover is the worst option out of all of them. The ONLY thing it was better at was roughing off wet thick bark and dead wood, that would otherwise gum up rasps or blades. At that point though, you really shouldn’t risk a finger on a piece of wood in that state. Scary little shits, any alternative is better.
Keep nagging your wife about it and she might just do a bit of extra carving.
I was using a wire brush a few months back. Went to bed fine woke up the next morning and couldn't bend my right leg. Went to the ER and they pulled a needle about an inch and half long out. Instantly able to walk again and honestly felt like an idiot. Went right through my jeans no problem so yes please take precautions with those.
Yeah those wire brushes are more dangerous than you think!
Be a man next time pull it out yourself.. i did
An old shop teacher watches someone go blind in one eye from one of those
Holy heck. Good lesson. That's a valuable piece of experience you shared.
Surprised you didn't feel it most time I have that happen I have forceps I use to pull out feel imeadantly...
Thanks for the video.
I got that little DeWalt grinder in a 3 tool kit (grinder, drill, and impact driver). These tools, especially the grinder and the driver, have proven to be great productivity boosters in my shop. However, I feel the temptation to get fast and sloppy with these little battery grinders every time I pick one up. They are so small and toy-like, it's too easy to underestimate their ability to maim or even kill. I've owned and used grinders for around 40 years, but I still stopped and watched your video end to end. I particularly appreciated you taking the battery out when changing discs. A good reminder to me to stop being lazy and always do likewise, and not just when I'm not in a hurry. Thanks again for the content.
The metal cut off wheels very much earned the shorthand of deathwheel. The chain wheel, is a whole bunch of nope, for a myriad of reasons. Back when I took my welding class my teacher correctly described the humble grinder as the most dangerous tool in the shop, and he said this while setting up the torches. He was absolutely right.
I think the problem with a angle grinder is there easy to use but hard to use correctly
The higher the rpms, the more dangerous. Tools like table saws, circular saws, routers, angle grinders, etc.
@@crabmannyjoe2 my thumb agrees, almost cut if off wit a table saw once because of a kick back, i learned something important that day.
Who TF calls cutoff wheels deathwheels? If you have the guard on then they are the second-safest thing you can put on a grinder behind basic grinding/sanding discs. Never had one explode in my many years, but you just keep the area that it can explode into pointed away and you have very little to worry about. Someone using that term gives me the impression of a person who keeps breaking wheels but has not worked out why that is happening. Your welding teacher was certainly right about it being the most dangerous hand tool though, as soon as you start using non-grinding attachments you can get real dangerous, even wire-wheels are incredibly risky.
Oh wait, mop wheels are probably the safest. But if you were being a massive nerd you could probably group them in with grinding/sanding disks, it's nano-grinding lol.
I love your honesty. Its this pure hearted stuff that lets me know that all of your UA-cam content is for shits and giggles, not clicks and cash.
Keep it up, Some-Jerk-Off-in-the-Back-of-a-Van!
Am with you 100% on that finger removal chain thing-a-majiggy. Good Lord, that little chain gives me chills. Excellent review and would like to see more of these. All I can say is I'm ticked off about missing the sale. Have an old grinder that's seen better days and works fine, but tired of the cord. Thanks for taking the time to give us some reminders on what not to do. Be well!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
here's a guy that got hurt by one and got it on video (not to graphic) ua-cam.com/video/A7xWHEWov8M/v-deo.html
As of last weekend the sale was still going on. The grinders seem to be the hot item so I’d check before you make the trip.
Those chain disks made me shudder before I knew they came apart like that
Knowing how many safety features have been put in the usual modern chainsaw to keep the chain out of one´s flesh even when the chain happens to break, the thought of using that chainwheel instead of a chainsaw even on the cheaper side of the price-scale, sounds moronic to me.
I don’t own a grinder, and don’t have much call for one with the type of woodworking I do - and I still learned something.
Well done, keep being awesome!
Cheers
I don't use power tools like that... and it's an education to see a guy like you, tough, and with the experience you have, as concerned about the wood blade as you apparently are. Thanks for your honesty. Take your "like".
Around here the "wood" blade is most oftenly seen being used making ice sculptures. The twin cities has a big habit of making big deals out of our Ice Palace and so forth.....
Yep, being concerned about safety is no longer something men have to "Hide inside of them" Jim, times a-change. You're absolutely right though.
@@bmo14lax Oh, puhlease. Getting minor wounds are part of becoming a man. I remember when my dad taught me to desolder parts out of an old 1970s set on the wooden stump I split wood at. I came in to dinner that night with all kinds of little burns mostly to the backs of my hands. I was a child then, now I am a man.
@@johnpossum556 I rest my case after you said "minor wounds"
@@bmo14lax Safety isn't always in our hands, though. I had a thoracotomy (Dr speak for rib removal) by a thoracic cardiac specialist and as a result I lost the use of my left hand. It's cold on the outside and feels like my funny bone was hit 24/7. So with that in mind I would not preclude a known grown adult male with some common sense to use these power tools. You might as well live while you have the chance to do so!
Love the longer format and the full analysis. Giving off strong AvE vibes and I'm here for it
Hell yeah this felt like watching one of the old, gold, BOLTRs
Old-timey AvE when he was more coherent
I tried watching AvE once, and even after 3 minutes of him speaking I still had no idea what he was talking about. I think the video was about putting duck tape on a spool of wire or something.
I've been running a cordless grinder for several years now and have been very happy with it. I still have my corded grinders for when I need to modify a bunch of brackets, but 95% of my grinding work is cordless.
I don't know how much time goes into your videos like this one man but I love them. Have a newer ryobi + grinder so I don't need one but you still taught me stuff watching this. So basically, thanks for all the time you spend on these man. As a disabled homeowner diy'er I appreciate the tips and of course the humor man. Merry Christmas brother!
Thanks bud 🙏🏻 This particular one probably took me 4-5 hours. Using 2 cameras takes more time to edit and I’m slow at editing 😁
That's a helluva lot of time brother. It's much appreciated and I hope you get some kind of kickbacks from u tube lol
Getting that deal in the beginning I would have never found a deal for my pops for his birthday this year. You're a goddamn life saver with that and with the advice for the wood carving disc's. Holy shit dude
Flapper disks are my absolute favorite way to sharpen a machete. Very fast and doesn't cook and ruin the edge like any sort of grinding wheel has a tendency to.
I also feel that a grinder is the one tool where you pretty much always want to just take the battery out of it once you're done with it. They're scary as hell compared to basically any other battery powered tool you might use, because that damn thing can twist and turn any which way and cause you all sorts of harm.
I really like flapper disks for the same reason. Grinding stones work really well for removing torch slag or large amounts of material, but far too often I see people try to use them for delicate work. Whenever I've tried to be delicate with them they just make a ton of noise and make the base metal really hot and look like shit.
Any power tool, with the exception of water cooled grind stones or belts, will overheat the apex of the tool.
I just got my first portable angle grinder this summer and I usually sharpen my li ion mower's blade once a season and this time I did it 6 times and cleaned up the alley because the neighbor's never do it. Mulched everything up superfine for composting.
Awesome thanks I’m going to try it out
@@johnpossum556 I do the same, works like a charm, once you cut grass with a newly sharpened blade you never wanna see a dull blade again
One thing I like to use more often these days are diamond blades. They cut through pretty much anything fairly efficiently, you don't have to change the blade as much and they're a lot less sketchy than a normal abrasive cutoff wheel as long as you don't get them too hot. DeWalt has a pretty good diamond blade for about 8 bucks, probably get a lot more life out of that blade than 8 dollars worth of normal cutoff wheels though there are other diamond blades out there more suited for cutting metal and will last longer doing so.
An old acquaintance of mine nearly lost both his legs when he used one of those diamond disks. It shattered and the pieces went into his legs. Looked horrible
I use mine for rock, ceramic or concrete. Never thought about cutting metal with it but can sharpen them better than the way they came from the factory by tinking the diamond up with the edge of a file. Theres a UA-cam video on how to sharpen them as youre not really filing at it. Just tinking like a bell.
Diamond wheel also great cuz you don't lose diameter very fast. This is important for getting to depth when you are using the guard!
@@gantz4uyeah they're mason blades, I'm not sure what my guy is cutting other than that with them...they dang sure won't cut wood or metal. Nothing harder than copper or brass. Maybe PVC pipe?
@@A_Stereotypical_Heretic I cut PVC with a hacksaw and honestly forgot this guy is cutting everything with a diamond wheel. I just whipped my diamond wheel out and it cut through a limestone facade as quick as a 2x4 (with a circular saw and framing blade)..Im still whipping out consumable cut off wheels for steel. I dont find cut off wheels sketchy at all. But I also will opt to not fully penetrate what im cutting, then use the less that paper thin leftover to either rip it apart by hand or delicately remove it with the cut off wheel at the very end. The cut off wheel is not dangerous. People are dangerous to themselves usually from substance abuse, inattentiveness and complete lack of evidently uncommon sense.
Another little tip for cut off wheels is to be mindful of the direction the grinder is gonna go if (when) the wheel catches (kickback) and be sure you've got a hold of the grinder.
Exactly! The next level is working out what way the grinder will move on a smaller scale when you consider the grinder's centre of mass and how you are holding it. If pushback will cause the cut-off wheel to be pressed harder into the material then you have a problem, since a tiny pushback will just put more force into the material and within a few microseconds it will have become a massive kickback (never grind above the centre of the disc and such). You do also have to watch for areas where kickback or accidental movement could make the grinder run into some other part of the material that would cause a much worse kickback.
Absolutely! I have no problem with the sparks coming right at me, because if it grabs, the grinder is going AWAY from me.
I love your tube. You remind me so much of a very dear friend that worked for me over 20 years ago with your intellect and body language. We worked together off road for the mining industry. It was some of the harshest conditions and he being a Marine never complained and just kept working.
Man, do I LOVE your videos Funk. You ve covered just about everything regarding angle grinders. I work with an angle grinder probably the most out if any tools and they generally are extremely dangerous. Learned it first hand when I had a chip break out of a cutoff wheel, the tool then jumped, cut my stomach, went into my work short's pocket and started yanking the shorts off me. Still yet to try the finger remover but if I do one day I might be wearing a bombproof suit 😂. Keep up the amazing content bro.
These things have been staring me in the face for months. I have picked it up and put it down 10 times. Haven’t been able to justify it. You have given me courage to find a purpose
I wouldn't buy the chain disks but what I do use quite regularly is a speedcutter. Basically a 3-tooth circular saw blade with carbide teeth. Never in my life have I held such an effective handheld demolition tool. Cuts right through a 5m OSB wall and the front surface of the steel studs behind it in 10 seconds. It's also much safer than that death trap of a chainsaw wheel but still quite dangerous. People still manage to injure themselves with those. I've noticed a pattern with some of those accidents, though: often the victim has put the side handle on the right instead of on the left and effectively use the angle grinder upside down, making it very likely to produce kickback. I think that's because a circular saw usually rotates in the opposite direction to an angle grinder and the user incorrectly assumes the saw blade must spin that way on the grinder too. And when this is not the case, the guard is still not on there correctly to prevent kickback. But anyway, yes, the material removal rate is very high, so be careful and never use it when you're getting tired.
The flapper disk is truly the next level up for giving your work a seriously professional finish.
I welded a chunk of 1/2" x3/8" square stock to an 8" adjustable and made an adjustable hammer 😂
My boss/owner seen it and laughed and asked where i bought it. My welds are pretty fugly but you spend some time getting to know a flapper disk and have an eye for blending and it will make you look good 😎
I love your channel man. Your long content is awesome and you are pretty much the only person I bother to watch shorts for. It's also nice you take safety seriously, many youtubers don't bother.
All year I've been having a hard time finding content to watch that I actually enjoy. Came across this channel from the shorts about a month ago and it's been great watching since. Cheers!
Thanks 😊
One of the most common reasons the cut-off wheels explode is they are used past the printed expiration date that many people don't know about. UV exposure, temperature and humidity changes, and just wear and tear of being in a tool box all break down the glue that holds them together.
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Great video. The only thing I would add is to use a dust mask or something when using a cutting wheel especially the cheaper ones or any kind for an extended time. That dust is nasty and you will breathe it in.
Great point! I normally don’t use it for more than a few minutes but for sure a dust mask would be a good idea 👍🏻
I appreciate your videos a lot, found you via shorts and I really appreciate seeing safety taken seriously. I have to use grinders for my job on occasion and I wasn't really taught how to do it or the risk of blades shattering. Thanks for making me a little bit safer on the job
I got a Milwaukee cordless grinder about a year ago. With the 4 or 6 amp hour batteries the usable time is actually pretty impressive. It’s rare that I use my corded one now.
Not enough people emphasize safety with this type of equipment, awesome job my man!
#2 is what our bad welders call "old reliable" and unfortunately my boss calls it that too when he wants a lot of things cleaned. Also I'm here to testify that you can't always take rocks off by hand when you put them on that way, sometimes you gotta resort to holding the button and slamming the rock into some solid surface in the lefty-loosey direction to work it off lol.
We have all been there. But I do it by hand most of the time 🙄😂
As I sit here as a diesel mechanic I still stay for the whole video, love your videos man
I appreciate that!
Ive never really used tools but I just sat through over 20 minutes of you talking about them, you have a way of very informative and entertaining through the whole ordeal!
Only "finger remover" wheel I've ever used was a bit different, it was a solid steel disk with five chainsaw style teeth machined into the edge of it. Only time I ever used it was carving shallow bowl shapes into the end of an oak log to use when dishing sheet metal. Overall it worked pretty well, but when grabbed it would kick out of the cut quite violently. After cutting a couple of bowl shapes I put it up and never used it again. Since then I've found carbide toothed shaping dishes made by Kutzall that do a similar job and while I wouldn't want to touch one that was spinning I think it's a much safer design. Lots of little teeth instead of a few big ones as it's basically a sort of carbide burr. It can still kick out but they're designed to cut while horizontal like a regular grinding disk so you have more control over the grinder.
Didn't learn anything new, but I take a bit comfort in the fact that we agree on everything, and we use the grinder in the same way... even with how we both load a new disk on the Dewalt, by tightening them with a hand, and just make sure they are on correct, then they self-tighten... so great vid, for anyone who needs to learn how to use a angle grinder correct!
I bought a big Craftsman v20 kit this summer for $150 off and I got my first angle grinder. Love the thing! Most surprisingly is how much I love the Oscillating multitool/sander/plunge saw which I have been using to restore really old old vintage tools. Been doing a set of old japanese mortising chisels that I think my dad bought. They'll look like a million bucks when I am done! All hail the power of ScoutCrafter channel and Ukraine! 💙💛
Is it me or is this guy getting wiser with every new video? I tip my hat in your direction.
Thanks for the disc and tool review. The chain disc is interesting, I suppose it would be great to finish up the stump bear or ice flamingo, but not sure it's worth the risk everywhere else. Glad you didn't lose a finger, reminds me I gotta buy some snausages for the dog 😉
I love your sense of humor and down to earth humbleness. The one thing to realize, is that DeWalt, like most major power tool brands that are for sale at big box stores, is a different spec. What I mean is they usually spec a cheaper motor and internals to offer it at a lower price. I bought a DeWalt and a Hilti from HD only to find out they had crap motors and didn't last as long as I expected.
There’s a woodworker here on UA-cam (StumpyNubs) who was doing a video on power woodcarving and was testing out a chainsaw grinder disc to show how dangerous they are. He ended up in the emergency room nearly losing his finger because of that dangerous disc is. He’s a professional with years of experience and respect for his tools, but still had an accident with how dangerous the chainsaw discs are.
Anyone who thinks those chainsaw disks are reasonable to use has not used a chain saw with a sharp chain or a powerful angle grinder. Those are terrifying.
Id be worried about kick back with something so small. At least a chainsaw you can get a good grip to control it
@@A6Legit yea and chainsaws have brakes and guards and handles all designed for chainsaw chains, like Funk says, if that chain disk did touch you, its taking a huge bite.
My friend always buys the most powerful tool he can get, icluding grinders. I understand the big models, but 115/125mm models I've understood. It's really nasty when powerful grinder kicks. Even at work on desk I rather use bit more lesser battery grinder than my really powerful mains one, unless I'm polishing something.
facts, been in situations having to use 9 inch grinders with no guard and that was terrifying haha
My local Orange box store refuses to stock them after one of their training classes nearly became the scene of slasher flick. They were carving wood without realizing the chuck of wood had a roofing nail in it. Some of the blades on the disk took out their one of their window displays. Half a foot to the right and it would have went through an employee's face.
I was doing manual wood carving for more than a decade and while preparing the wood I learned to use all kinds of electric and basic tools and machines for wood. I learned from best people and I never had major accident like losing my finger or something like that. We have saying "Measure twice, cut once" and much more important is to take all safety measures and use the tool/machine as intended. I definitely support you for throwing that chainsaw away.
I prefer the diamond cutoff wheels for that reason. I don't use them super often, so the abrasive wheels sometimes end up damaged from bouncing around in the bag. The diamond ones are much safer.
Those old bosch tools go on forever. Love the old bosch stuff. We use an old 36v bosch sds. Things almost 20 yrs old. Its huge by todays standards, but we all still use it on the heavy duty stuff and to keep our new gen 18v stuff running longer, but it really is awesome. Never skips a beat. The boss does give it a lil love once a year but its some old tool.
that chain cutter wheel is straight out of a horror film. I'm very curious to know what was the conversation like at that board meeting where a marketing person identified a gap in the market, an engineer proposed this solution, and an executive approved it...
log cabins is the big one
This is like asmr for construction workers. I felt like falling asleep at least twice while you were using the grinder.
It appeared like the DeWalt tool didn't turn as fast as an AC (wall) powered tool, but I didn't see any loss of torque or slower cutting because of that. That chainsaw disc did seem like it would be mighty useful for grinding out small areas of wood, for instance making a notch in a stud for conduit.
Get one of those oscillating tools for that work, almost as fast and a lot safer.
Almost 500K Subs lets goo🎉🎉🎉 The most honest man on UA-cam! Just keeping it real and exposing fakes and frauds! Great content brother.
I have a finger remover, it’s fabulous for wood working… HOWEVER
I am down to 4 fingers 😮
On both Hands?
total?
Just carve yourself some prosthetics with your wood working skills xD
Haha 😮
I bet you only used it once as well lol
I've used those "finger removers" on occasion and never thought a thing about it. Can't say I've ever heard of anyone hurting themselves with them but you've successfully scared me away from them for no real reason 🤣
“Don’t take safety advice from some jerkoff in the back of a van”
Ok so safety squints it is.
🤣🤣
Filter it with a cigarette
Happy Holidays, Funk FPV! Besides your incredible knowledge of tools, machines, what is good, what isn't, what is clear is that you are a fast learner. If you are a father, congratulations, if not, light a fire under that project. The very vision of you as a father strikes me dumb. Patience, humor, perception. Go! Go! Go!
Agreed, use a chainsaw or sawzall to cut wood. Angle grinder is for grinding & surfacing. Thanks for the testing and tips. Bummer about the van clean up due to a review video. LOL
Haha I used my blower to clean it up 😁
@@FunkFPV Nice! I was going to suggest a E powered leaf blower. My favorite clean up tool. LOL
Really appreciate your humor on the short videos and thanks for the informative overview on different wheels for the angle grinder. Another option for cutting wood without the added risk of the chain is something like a multi wheel cutting disc. I use a Bosch one and it has teeth like a saw and is designed for several materials including wood and makes clean cuts.
Angle grinders are the most accident prone tool in the shop... and that's BEFORE you turn it into a chainsaw!
Table saws, Circular saws, and Nail guns are all more likely to get you injured than angle grinders.
Statistically speaking.
One of the things that freaks me out the most about those chainsaw style wheels is that on an actual chainsaw the tip of the bar is the kickback zone as you stated. This is because it’s rounded so it is the part that can send the saw into a kickback. Particularly the top and bottom area of the tip of the bar where the chain changes direction, and the rakers can’t control the bite of the tooth as effectively. With those wheels, the whole thing is a kickback zone. It’s just insane. Also, a chainsaw is a 2t engine so it doesn’t have much torque, which is why chainsaw chaps/pants work. The protective chaps/pants are filled with lots of fibers (usually kevlar) and that binds the chain and bar up if you touch them and they rip open. The low torque of the engine change power through that and it stops the chain, but it’s stated in the manual of the newer electric saws that the chaps/pants can’t stop the electric motor because of the torque. The grinder is obviously similar because it’s an electric motor and has a lot of torque making any kickbacks that do occur much more violent. Another thing I’ve learned at my job working at a Stihl dealer and repair shop is that a demo saw (cutoff saw, the ones for cutting pavement or concrete) has about an 80% fatality rate on kickbacks, and according to Stihl is statistically the most dangerous tool.
I have same size Bosch grinder from early 90's. Heavily used. No other problems but the cord has to be changed every 25 years. (and off course the brushes when they wear out)
I've been waiting it to fail so i can justify buying a cordless one.
Nice!
You've now guaranteed it'll last forever. 😆
It will never die 😁
The real question is, can you submerge the dewalt grinder in water?
Send me yours and I’ll give it a try 😜
diggin the long form content dude, found you channel through the shorts but the long form videos are great too
One thing I do like about the old finger removal wheel is that it makes stripping a log of a bunch of small offshoots really quick.
I like a sawsall for that kind of thing, personally. Lots of different blades you can out in one of those, including your longer pruning blades. Great tool for yardwork, I've found.
just use a normal chainsaw as you did to cut the log originally? 😶 not cuttinga log with a sawzall xD
@@Motoko1134 although I prune with hand pruners and pole pruners, Sawzall does offer a saw blade dedicated to pruning. It looks like a good idea, depending on what kind of pruning youre doing. Too heavy tho, Most people will opt for a hand pruning saw if youre climbing a pine. If youre stripping a downed pine of limbs to get the log I can see its use case.
Love your tik toks. Had to come to UA-cam to get full length vids!
Thanks bud 👍🏻
Honestly, most tools are multifunctional, you can get a chainsaw beam cutter attachment for a circular saw. If safety is a concern, it's simple, don't use it. As always, good video
The real question is who sells the attachment? You don't see good tool makers selling the angle grinder chainsaw discs but they sell grinding, cutting, wire, masonry, sanding, flap, even carbide wheels for hardwood.
@@SuperFunkmachine well there are brands that are quality that sell ridiculous attachments. My point being that everyone is hopping on the safety band wagon. Safety is your own concern, not mine. As far as quality, that's an open debate.
I love your channel and your content. It's much less obnoxious than AvE and infinitely more watchable. Also, love your shorts (the UA-cam ones...).
I despise using angle grinders. It's the tool that requires you never being complacent using it .
Thats a lot of tools. Grinders just a bit easier to be sketchy
Angle grinders need a licence
@@A6Legit oh for sure but man angle grinders for me are just terrifying. I just think it's the amount of power generated by a hand tool and then attaching an explosive, or finger eating, or shrapnel throwing wheel on it that freaks me out. It definitely requires a lot of patience and precision.
@@NeilEngelbrechtMechSeal What a silly statement.
I love watching this guy, very useful info, very entertaining videos with humour thrown in. As far as the chain disc goes, I would never feel safe using one.
I'm a welder/fabricator, have been for 10 years now. Metabo makes the absolute best grinders hands down. This is all.
The chainsaw discs are for the same dudes that nip V's into their metal grinding wheels to "remove metal faster". I will be the first to say, grinder wheels exploding are no joke, those things shatter when compromised and shoot very fast. There are so many safer and ultimately more efficient ways to remove wood than buying one of these death wheels. I appreciate your thoughts and honesty about them, they are shared by many other responsible tool users.
I hope you decide to become a shop teacher someday. Wonderful presentation, clear, concise, decent sound, easy to see. Im terrified of the finger remover 5000, btw.
After watching you talk about the little wheel of death I have now subscribed. You know your stuff.
My friend, our welder obliterated his arm with one of those cut off discs. Absolutely amazing the doctors were able to put his arm back together.
Have one of these and it has been great in my welding business. The beast of this is the 20-volt version which I have they both are great products. Thank you for your tube!!!!
I like how you took off the batt while you were explaining the “uses” for the “finger remover” lol
Thank you for the videos man. Plus it's cool to see that you take price in your van and tools. Most people don't.
Having been a sawyer for the forest svc, i had been coveting that chainsaw blade for awhile before finally pulling the trigger. It's been stashed for about 3 months now waiting for the right job. I'm glad you beat me to it though I'm not sure I'll have the level of discipline you did. I saw what it did & I'm glad you were honest bc I saw that you saw....😁
Anyway, observing your work i did see a possible weakness, that being it's value as a high volume material remover for something small enough that a chainsaw feels like overkill. Yet, as you worked, I didn't like what i felt was your "safe working range". Not nearly as easy to reach all angles I would've wanted. Thanks for doing my heavy lifting, either way, though! Keep up the good hoodie work!
Great video man, great info, especially on cutoff wheels and the heat damage to the disk from plunge cuts. When using any wheel look on the graphic it will tell you the angle the wheel can be used. i also always run new disks for a minute before use but maybe im just superstitious
You perfectly proved why the finger remover blade is pointless when you had to rotate the wood to cut right through. The sarcasm on your face was priceless! 😂 😂
dude, so encouraging to see you keep the guards on your grinders, unlike so many on your short vids😝
I've got the 20v DeWalt grinder, but it never comes out of the toolbox, sits right next to it's 18v older brother.
The 60v is my go to at work, loved it so much I got a second one for at home on the farm.
Same power as the 13A DeWalt corded collecting dust on the shelf.
60 is my go to.
I like that this is being filmed in some suburb, was expecting a dog to jump in the car at any moment
Hey, man! Love your content! I found you through YT shorts so it's cool to see some longer format videos! Keep up the good work! You're a funny dude!
“Don’t take safety advice from a jerkoff in the back of a van”. That cracked me up. Great videos man. Nice to see just honest reviews
100% on the wire brushes. The last time (not the only time) it caught my clothes, it left a permanent reminder in my leg.
People do not respect angle grinders enough and don’t understand how dangerous they are. This is on a whole new level.
Congratulations on your new grinder I got to get one of them that is also I'm glad it worked out for you and thanks for giving us to tips on how to use them and what not to use them thank you again freesheet to safety tips you're awesome thank you for keeping his down-to-earth God bless you have a blessed day
Aside from the kickback issues you mentioned with the finger remover the fact is that chainsaw chain is designed to move in a wave down the flat sides of a chainsaw bar, when over tightened and forced to remain in contact with the bar they cut inefficiently and dull quickly. I'd think it would be better to just have some sort of circular saw blade that's made to cut in a fixed circle.
The chainsaw disc @15:25 is my favourite piece of wall art. I saw someone using one to carve stuff on UA-cam so I ordered one. When it arrived it looked scary even when it wasn't spinning at over 1000rpm. I later watched a woodworker "Stumpy nubs" he is actually a really safe woodworker but he demoed a serious injury from this blade so the chainsaw disc is now firmly attached to my workshop wall.
Even Though I Have used a grinder 100s of times I enjoyed watching this video. Keep it up.
I have five different 4 1/2" angle grinders.
1) wire brush = Can't find a good one. A good one to me is one that is somewhat in balance and does not vibrate me so bad that I wonder if I will even be able to go on, not to mention that it constantly throws wires in all directions.
2) regular grinding wheel = Have used one forever. Love them in the weld shop.
3) cut-off wheel (.045") = A total miracle if used properly and for the right purpose. Makes "finish quality" cuts.
4) flap disc = Lawn mower blade sharpener
5) chain saw wheel = Bought a couple for a project. Have found it just as easy to leave them in the box. They just don't look safe. One mishap and I am afraid that the consequences would be dire.
Work safely. Wear all safety equipment. The tools don't have a conscience.
The best honest grinder use handling & safety video
The anxiety you have from the cut off wheel is outstanding. I’m sure you’re “comfortable” and still full of anxiety when it comes to the cut off. Listening to the stress in your voice and watching you work your souls courage up is proof enough of your are “comfortable” with the cut off wheel and still don’t show anxiety you probably shouldn’t be using it.
Hope you have a good holidays, hope this next year is successful for you dude.
I have one of these grinders, I've put it through a lot and I don't have any complaints, it's a trooper.
Thank you for all you do for industrial education and saving Ukraine.