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Infinite fuel glitch
Nice handle 😂
Last time I used naphtha was to extract dimethyltriptomine (Sp)
Or first car running too rich lol
@@fastinradfordable The greatest use of Naphtha, then clean it up with Heptane to get it just that much more pure.
Just gotta follow your buddy with a hose, 😆
Out here solving air pollution one step at a time
Russian exhaust so strong can run second car.
instead of running a second engine out of the 1st car exhaust, (wich isn't very convenient) you might want to try to run the exhaust back into the first car intake to improve its mile per gallon maybe ?
I wonder if that would improve the cycle or end it? 🤔
@@Eduardo_Espinoza That's called EGR = Exhaust Gas Recirculation.
It's a literal thing most engines are fitted with. It can be used to achieve a number results.
Some people block them on diesel engines to prevent slug and soot building up in the intake manifold.
The EGR valve was invented in the United States in the 1970s. Tested for the first time by the American giant, General Motors, it reduces toxic gas emissions by re-using 5% to 35% of the exhaust gases. European anti-pollution standards made it mandatory in diesel vehicles.
I blanked mine off because it soots up the engine, causing more issues
It would work to increase efficiency, but not with a carb.
With a modern car exhaust glasses are introduced while at part throttle and fuel is cut back at the same time. If you do that with a carb (or if the egr valve gets stuck open) the result is that the car runs very rich and acts like you left the choke on if it were a carb'd engine, stumbling and lacking power.
@@volvo09I’ve never heard of a car running on glasses before lol 😂🤣😂
I think autocorrect might be at play here lol 😂
I'd love to see a wide band O2 sensor reading the tailpipe of the second car. It's gotta be running dead lean but it's not pinging, freaking Lada's man. lol
How rich is the first car running? Or is it just misfiring half the time
Russian EGR system 🤣🤣
Itks so edficient you can run another car with it nstead of fouling your intake lol
Something like that. It's like dynamo to run electric car headlights, or propeller side of plane to drive planes hydraulics..
Both will serve to the end fast.
with a heat exchanger
Careful, California will require it until they make them get an EV 🤷♂️😏
You could run more exhaust through the engine if you increased the amount of oxygen it was getting at the same time
"today the boys poison themselves with exhaust fumes"
Propably still have better air conditioning there than any garage I've worked in
@@geemcspankinson air conditioning?? In Siberia?
@@televisionandcheese I know, right? Siberian AC is always ice cold!
They took the EGR to a whole different hmm not level but engine
Need to mix air in with the gasses before the carb.
the carb mixes air and fuel . however if its just sucking in premixed air (air fuel mixture) it will run .
It was nice knowing you guys...
😂
The water cools the gases which puts more flammable vapor in one place
Route the pipe into the cars own intake and have unlimited fuel 😆
How so? If you burn everything that is flammable, what do you think would be left to burn?
@@vipervidsgamingplus5723 well you could split the system. Have 2 cylinders run on clean fuel and the other on 2 it's own exhausted fumes. Get great fuel economy
@@milandjuric3119 that is kinda how newer stihl chainsaws work, they split half the exhaust to recycle into the engine for efficiency stuff its pretty clever, if not annoying to maintain :p
The starter was put to work, and the fumes these guys are breathing in lol
I remember an experimental long endurance aircraft that was built in the 90s that used this principal. IIRC two of the six cylinders were run off the exhaust gasses of the other four in order to get every last BTU out of the fuel.
Isn't this what EGRs are for?
@@drsquirrel00 No, EGRs are there to reduce NOx. They have nothing to do with energy recovery.
@@drsquirrel00 egr maybe, but it only ruins engine. egr is like when you take a dump in your fridge. this one goes trough water, so probably hydrogen is generated. idk.
If the exhaust gases are collected from four and run into the last two, that is to extract the most heat energy possible. That is compounding. It was all about converting the last bit of heat into mechanical work.
Reciprocating steam engines used double and triple expansion techniques to get the most energy from steam. Unlike exhaust gases from an IC engine, superheated steam contains a lot more heat energy that can be extracted and that's why compounding worked so well for them. Steam turbines got even more power but that's an entirely different animal.
@@lordmmx1303 I agree with you, hotter air, dirtier air, seems crazy. Good for MPG when the car leaves the forecourt........
having seen this arrangement a thought poped in to my head .... those in the know will know ... the human centipede ..... love you guys and your antics keep em comming ....
Fun video as always 👍
maybe running the exhaust through a 3rd dry container would reduce the water being sent to the 2nd vehicle. The exhaust bong lol 😊🤣🍻
When it first shot water out I thought, never blow into a bong. lol
@@wesKEVQJ Yuck gross. Drowning in bongwater.
That is a Soviet catalytic converter with advanced thermodynamic recuperation.
And we thought ze german engineerung was overcomplicated.
Rus trying to make world greener is something new for sure!
reminds me of that classic film The Centipede. inspiring!
classic trash not a classic by any means
@@marumiyuhime you have to admit, that was pretty funny though.
@@rubetube4727 yes i do like crappy morning movies on tnt and scifi
Maybe the water has nothing to do with it, maybe it's the length of the hose that is adding atomization time but the water bubblers are keeping the system from backfiring so definitely keep them too! Great video guys!
on a carbureted car like this one the fuel flow into the engine is controlled by the flow of air past small jets in the carb. It's a bit like blowing over a drinking straw, if you blow hard enough across the top of the straw it will draw liquid up and out the top. This works in both directions, albeit not as well in reverse. If there is a constriction in the exhaust (such as a big bottle of water putting backpressure on the exhaust) it can cause the cylinder to not completely evacuate, leaving some pressure inside after the exhaust valves close. This pressure can get exhausted through the intake when the intake valves open, and cause the carb to dispense a little extra fuel that then gets sucked back into the engine. This can cause excess fuel to be sent into the engine, causing it to run rich. This excess vaporized fuel is then spit out the exhaust, where it is then bubbled through the water and then out the tube at the end. This is most likely what the second car is running off of.
I think the CO2 in the exhaust gas is turning into carbonic acid (CO2 + H2O = H2CO3). Without the CO2 the concentration of combustible gases is high enough to burn.
I'm no chemist though
I'd love to know why...
I initially thought it was unburned fuel that was lacking oxygen, but when he couldn't light it on fire straight out the tailpipe that was obviously not the case.
I hope some smarter people in chemistry can chime in... I have no idea, but yours sounds plausible.
No need be,Google help you:)
@@volvo09 no you're right! The unburned fuel does not have enought oxygen for combustion. It is only a very small layer of the exhaust smoke that comes in contact with the oxygen from the air, the main flow of exhaust is in the middle with too much co2 present. After filtering out the CO2 you only need enough oxygen for combustion. This is the reason why the engine didn't fire up when attaching the hose directly to the intake. Only after putting it partly in the intake the engine would run, since air could be sucked in
@@jaycweingardt11 yes, but did you see 14:40? It's not flammable out of the original car. It's certainly sending unburnt fuel out the exhaust, but something is happening during the water part.
@@ai7136 so that water is probably quite acidic after this... The carbonic acid is formed in the water, pulling out some co2 and leaving behind more fuel, which just needs a tiny bit more oxygen (or heat), since it needed a constant flame to stay alight.
this is hardly surprising given that the first car is running rich enough to smoke meaning plenty of fuel is not being burned and being passed to the second engine ... many many years ago a old timer told me that they use to test and tune their cars by how flammable their exhaust was and this is why .... no ignition means its burning all of its fuel
explain how the exhaust is barely flammable directly off the car, but when it passes through the bottles it becomes much more flammable
@@dieselgeezer18 water is made up of oxygen and hydrogen, its probably getting oxygen from the water aswel as the fuel already in the exhaust
@joshydoy
Same, I've noticed this too on the stove
@@joshydoy if its getting oxygen from the water, then that means water has split into hydrogen and oxygen. That means that hydrogen is also burning in the combustion chambers
Not exactly, since he couldn't light it straight out the tailpipe later in the video.
It certainly is running rich, but something else is going on.
I'd like to see a gas analyser results on the first engine, I'm guessing the hydrocarbon reading will be huge 1200+ ppm.
I wonder if the water is absorbing the carbo particulates and exiting as a refined hydrogen gas. It burns different with and without the water filtration
@@victorjr.7718 Gas analyser before and after the water would be interesting to see.
New Delhi air quality goes 1000+ ppm in winters.
0:38...fuel injection with cabbage gas not very efficient! Getting the Lada to move
under its own power this way will be classified as 107+% glorious success!
you'd go from the ~30-35% efficiency that those engines have now to maybe 44% efficiency... sadly getting to 107% is quite literally impossible with any internal combustion engine. now there are some other types of engines out there that have almost 2 to 3 times that efficiency because of the way they function but big oil and people holding their interests would either have you killed or bury any traces of it so it'd never see the light of day.
Mate you are so funny. Love the videos and the things you test out are really cool. Thanks for sharing
Gen gas was used during during WWII here in Sweden. Gengas was produced under pyrolys or unsuffficent combusting. The result was carbon monoxide or (CO), Hydrogen (H) ,Methane (CH4) and Carbon dioxide (CO2), then fed to the engine thru a modified carburettor... and of you go.
I am very grateful for giving me the idea I was thinking do the experiment.Thanks and may God bless you
Absolutely fantastic
A suggestion for another experiment I've heard about, replace engine oil with molasses or maple syrup. I've heard conflicting stories about what happens.
Keep up with the wonderful videos.
Thanks.
I always thought it would be possible. The water making the difference is definitely not what I expected. Cool experiment
the filter removes the water and impurities in the exhaust gas. all the shit that cannot burn gets caught/trapped in the water. only strait gas can then escape. you could have the filtration unit in the back then pipe the gas back to the same car. it would be like when a diesel gets diesel run away. my first though was similar to when you run a engine on wood gas. i think its called gasification. this is awesome. love your show by the way
In the past, Saab also ran their latest car on the exhaust fumes of their first car with a two-stroke engine. The modern car worked like a charm.
Maybe because you are increasing backpressure in the exhaust (because of running thru water), the engine is not flushing quick enought and its running rich leading to unclean burning of fuel. Anyway you just made egr.
That special setup they had to enrich the fumes with more gas was as bad as my uncle's riding lawnmower that he just feeds the gas from scrap cars into 😂
Genuinley wanted to know this, thanks bro 🙏
As with all the other comments, this system has been in use for many years. The erg valve does this but under a much more efficient manner. Newer cars no longer use the egr system as it was originally designed.
Interesting experiment!
I'm not a chemist, but I'm guessing that the water absorbs the larger carbon particulates which allows for the light glasses to atomize better.
Im no chemist either just mechanic but this is a great experiment. Im wondering if your theory is correct its turning hydrocarbons HC to Hydrogen gas H2. They might be onto something here and not realize it
It's a Car-talytic converter!
The reason the straight exhaust isn't flammable is likely because of the CO2 content, which blocks the fuel from reaching a good oxygen mixture. Cool water easily absorbs CO2 (like sodapop), and heavy oils and carbon soot are eager to not be aerosols, and they get left with the water. So you're left with nitrogen, unburned light oil products, and carbon monoxide (which is flammable). It's a similar mechanic to the old "fuel reformer" system, in which a fella cooled his exhaust, and ran a portion of it through a mixture of water and gasoline, before piping that to a makeshift carburetor. Though it was impractical in application, it was arguably more practical than the 2-car variant. :)
After burners engaged!
You could use the filtered gasses and feed them back to the same engine.
Wondering if fuel consumption would improve.
I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE THIS FOR YEARS !!! Thank you GARAGE 54 you rock !!! 🙂
You've been telling people to run an engine off of the fumes of another engine which is running too rich?
You were telling car manufacturers to use EGR? They are.
Look up EGR valve
i do not understand what is going on here but i will research it , this is interesting kudos to u guys for the effort u put into these videos is appreciated
Lada powered flame thrower.....I can't be the only one thinking about that
I gotta try eating some beans and sit on top of the engine intake and see if my car could run off my farts 🤣🤣🤣
An awsome alternative use for the gases would be to make awsome heater for the car cabin.
Perhaps something for a UAZ-452. You can have an oven in the back and make sauna!
I recomend those videos are a kind of advertisibg the lada starters motors 🤣😁 Good job . 👍👍👍
This is why cars have a PCV (positive crank case valve) which sends gasses built up in the crank case back to the intake, and an EGR (exhaust gas recirculation). To use gasses the car builds up inside the combustion chamber. Also why cars now use electronic ignition and fuel injection as well as mass air flow sensors, oxygen sensors, etc. To ensure the car runs efficiently and cleanly.
Cars still run rich because sparkplugs struggle to start a cold car with perfectly stochiometric fuel/air mixes. Its why chokes exist. One way around this is pre-combustion chamber jet ignition to ignite leaner mixes.
@tylerdurden3722
This is why newer cars have dual injection. Direct and port. They change the injectors when the engine warms up.
In WW2, some german torpedos were driven by a FORD V-8 engines that also ran on a form of enriched exhaust gases. 120 HP Ford motor was good for 6-7 KM @ 60-70 KM/h.
great work. very interesting. try and make a 4wd / 4WS using 2 fwd half cuts. power motor #2 witrh gasss from #1 but let it have enough gasoline to idle for stability. The motors will syncronize as they push/pull each other from the wheels connected to the ground. Also, try running the exhaust from motor #2 back into #1
Capture the exhaust gases in a gasometer type setup, or even a good ol' WWII-style Gasbag (probably easy enough to make with a weather balloon), then use that to feed the gases into the other engine without having to have the other engine going at the same time, and make the car mobile as a result... :P
Someone will shoot down the weather balloon 🎈 idea. 😏
You are making a kind of hydrogen gas from the water bottles very clever stuff ,,I love your experiments keep up the good work guys
Genius... This could really go somewhere
That car must be running rich if the exhaust is lighting lol
We all know there's Vodka, not water, in those 2 bottles. That's the real reason it's running :)
11:57 carbon capture and recycling demonstration. Use another water bottle as a collector on the intake of the receiving engine.
The heat of the gasses going through the water adds more oxygen to the air enabling further combustion.
One way to better determine if HHO gas is being generated or anything like that is to tap the exhaust somewhere along its line the closer to the moter hottest etc & introduce a relatively fine particle set of sprayed H²0 then see if the exhaust ignited.
Very impressive experiment 🧪👌😎👍
Exhaust gases as a result of combustion contain carbon dioxide and unburnt fuel vapors. The carbon dioxide is soluble in water but fuel vapors do not dissolve in water. Hence, the output from the water bottles burn well because the carbon dioxide is scrubbed from the exhaust stream of Car 1. Also, the exhaust from car 1 does not burn directly as carbon dioxide contained in the exhaust gases actually inhibits burning (hence its use in some fire extinguishers).
Great video guys! Just like when you make wood gas to run your engine it has to be cooled before it will ignite, interesting. Although wood gas isn't forced through water to cool it perhaps the exhaust is separating some hydrogen from the water for more fuel to burn?
Wood gas is around 104 octane IIRC, I wonder how much octane that cooled exhaust gas is? Definitely would help the wood gas engine run more efferently with higher static compression and with the higher octane it wouldn't hurt. Wood gas has less BTUs than gasoline and I think it has a 50/50 ratio of air to wood gas? Wonder what the correct ratio is with the exhaust gas?
Also would be a great idea if that gas could be caught while driving the car and forced into a tank maybe like a LPG propane type of tank to switch when that tank is full to drive with that. When it runs out to switch back to gasoline. I wonder how much further a car would be able to go with that kind of system?!
That second lada is one hell of a big ass catalytic converter
Great to live in a free country - freedom of thought and action - to experiment. Here in the UK, ' you can't do this and you can't do that'... unless you're at a University, and maybe now , can't even do all that UNLESS you have Permits , costing £???. Stuffit, I'm gonna do that one day anyway when I have a smokey old engine to play with.
When the Lada didn't start easily, was it simply flooded with the exhaust gas - not sufficient fresh air ? this happens when we take old engines out of storage and fire them up on Propane or Butane gas when the petrol or diesel side has issues. Keep up the good work of experimentation and entertainment.
old tech rediscovered.
the water is collecting the carbon dioxide (carbon is sticky) in gasifer system its just left to exit while funneling the flammable fumes to be used) here its makes water black. some water is converted and bought for a ride, as you try to burn "purified" flammable exhaust.
where normal exhaust where co2 is still present in enough quantity to prevent burning.
You have got to try and drive the two cars like that!!!
*Russia's gas flex is legendary!* 🔥🔥🔥😄👍
Your teally geniuses trying such things
Connect to the compressor,compress it in a gas bottle and then try to run an engine
Are you trying to make a 💣!?
Good idea!
Noice
Lots of unburnt CH in the exhaust gas from a carburetted non-catalytic engine.
Perfect for a hybrid car, a smaller engine run on the exhaust gas, charging the batteri, ................that should make it a fuel effectiv car.
I've got a small Suzuki farm truck and the exhaust runs back through the carburetor they apparently done this so the engine warms up faster
This process is called gasification. With the same method you can run a petrol lawnmower on wood
The water works along the same principles as a water-pipe. It's just a catalyst, scrubbing most of the carbon and other "solids" from the air and leaving combustible gases behind. That's why the normal exhaust wasn't flammable, because it still had the "pollutants" that the water filtered out. As the exhaust is essentially forced through the water, the heavier particles are left behind as well as some chemical reactions taking place and you're left with mostly-cleaner air out of the other side. Having two bottles immensely increases the output of "functional" gases, since the second bottle picks up anything that the first bottle didn't have any more reactants for.
No engine is 100% efficient, and mixing the exhaust fumes with the oxygen in air, it will burn.. Running engines of exhaust fumes from burning wood was pretty common in Europe during WW2.. To optimize it, add a valve so you can adjust the amount of air ;-) If you din`t any fresh air, it won`t work..
You made a giant EGR valve.
It's like the automotive version of the human centipede
you should make flaming exhaust lada! :)
There is unburned fuel in the exhaust. This is why back in the day they had air injection into the exhaust manifolds as an emission control. The water is scrubbing the CO2 out of the exhaust and will eventually stop when the PH of the water gets too low. (carbonic acid)
i just like the fact that the lada souds like lawn mower
Refreshing the water would improve it. The water takes out co2 but the water can only absorb a bit. But the full saturation would probably be reached pretty quickly so improvement would be short
The exhaust is very rich with CO and higher hydrocarbons. If the exhaust is hot enough it will react with steam in water-gas-shift reaction so CO+H2O=H2+CO2 .... that is why you see a lot of water in the exhaust of the second car as H2 combust into steam then condence. at exhaust
That is a very interesting EGR :D
These replies are absolutely hilarious! It's extremely simple! If you dump a load of fuel into the engine, it's not going to burn, so it comes out the exhaust pipe. You are basically just burning un-burnt fuel in the 2nd engine
But something else is going on... Did you see 14:40 ? The exhaust is not even a hint flammable coming out of the car before it has hit the water bottle setup.
@volvo09 compression makes it combustible! The magic 14:1 ratio... With diesel you don't even need any heat you just compress air and diesel vapour and it explodes by itself! Called compression ignition! Many years ago a small company made a pogo stick that you put fuel into and it makes you shoot up in the air with a small explosion😂 unfortunately they were banned due to the number of injuries
Perhaps the heat of the exhaust is extracting the hydron from the water in the bottles.
Was wondering the same thing- if the water was adding or removing something resulting in a more combustible compound.
Good video.
Finally has invented something that somewhat works.
BTW Exhaust gas recirculation already exists.
For engine cooling not a source of fuel
it was done in the 80s as a way of lowering cylinder temperatures and improving combustion with a lean mix
@@spencershaw2407
For emissions
Introducing 500-1000f air into the combustion chamber.
And compressing that.
Sure AF ain’t to ‘cool the engine’
@@fastinradfordable it cools the combustion gases pretty common knowledge you just don't know shit about cars obviously
@@fastinradfordable it does help to cool the engine with the worse combustion
My theory is that the super heated exhaust is separating the hydrogen and oxygen in water when it's boiled from the heat, might need a separate bottle to accumulate the gases and two vents one chambered higher to gather hydrogen gas that rises and another on the bottom that could scoop the more dense oxygen gas that lowers. Second engine might have to be governed to RPM's of first engine, unless the gas was pressurized so as the second engine could throttle independently.
Yup, that 's what I suspect too. An improvised gas generator/catalyzer that's far more efficient than expected. A chemical analysis of what's in that "cleaned up exhaust" would be interesting. Perhaps it's just purified enough on non (re) combustible species, perhaps there's more to it...
@@Velktron This could be the Sabatier reaction, the process of a Carbon Oxygen bond becoming disturbed by a metallic catalyst before being hydrated in an enriched hydrogen environment it produces, Methane a highly flammable gas.
The Water "Cools" The Exhaust Fumes... It's The "Cooling" That Makes It More Flammable... SEE: Wood/Waste 'Gasifier"
The Soviets aren’t very smart so this is new technology to them
Interesting, I was wondering if the cooling had an effect.
@@volvo09 .. Yes, Some People Pump The "Gas" Into An Old Propane Tanks & Use It To Run Their Engine's... There's Videos On You Tube About Them.
So if you simply ran it through hose that was coiled in a freezer, you'd have the same affect?
@@boopoopies So you think us Americans are so much more advanced than everyone else? Might want to think again bud. We can't even stock our stores with affordable food anymore. And this is where it originates.
The vehicle version of the human centipede lol
The lada centipede
hilarious, many engines recirculate the exhaust gases, sportbikes have been since like 95 or so.. its what a pair valve does, or an EGR valve "Exhaust Gas Regurgitator" lol
The first engine would need to be running stupidly rich for its exhaust to have enough hydrocarbons left to run a second engine off of assuming it has no fuel of its own. I'm surprised the 2nd engine manages to run at all since rich exhaust from the first engine should have practically no O2 in it for the 2nd engine to run on. Only way I can see it having a chance of working is if the 2nd engine's intake pulls enough volume to get some fresh air mixed in.
Steam is a huge portion of exhaust inerts. Condense steam using water and the flammable fraction becomes much more significant.
Guys you need to test this but with a small engine like a 250 cc moto engine.
And this is why we have EGR and catalytic converters! Shows how much nasty stuff is left over from combustion.
The Lada Centipede 😂😂😂
The exhaust gases, absorb some oxygen from the water when it is filtered through the water
During WW II, people ran cars on wood gas. But they used a little petrol to get it started first.
you need to run a third jug, a dry jug, to catch any water that goes through. youd have to pressurize it a little, but just throw a block over the hose
Two motors,
one Lada,
One carburetor.
Next episode.
external EGR valve I think
If you can ignite and exhaust gasses then your engine is running so rich that it is not able to burn all of the fuel and air that goes into it.
The engine AFR must be huge.
Pipe the exhaust from engine A back into it's own air filter cover with a dedicated connector just for the exhaust pipe, but don't block off the original air inlet to the filter cover, then try to retune the carby.
Regards, Jas.
Good idea. Now take a gas generator and have it run off exhaust so that you can charge batteries or run other stuff.
That's the effect that 5 stroke engines use