The "Alpha Strike" update, some channel news, and active radar missiles.
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2024
- Sharing some thoughts about the "Alpha Strike" update coming soon, some routine channel news, and thoughts about the active radar missile meta that we're going to experience in a few months.
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Tim not burning the house down (chucking a temper tantrum) is now one of many reasons he's the only WT UA-camr I'm subscribed to.
They should really think about better gamemodes than new subtrees by the end of the year
Agree 10000%
@@TimsVariety if you by any chance have contact, could you check in on gaijin with north Korea, it'll help china fill out. 😊
If Fox 3s are added without any new game modes or substantial changes to ARB, then I’m simply not going to use them, and I will avoid that BR bracket 100% I really just want ARB EC that combines respawns, with ground strike objectives and pvp on very large maps with multiple airfields
have to agree with that i dont want premium planes i love to see more game modes i love to see a carrier game mode
Still insane to me that there isn't a 1v1 or 2v2 mode in plane gameplay lol.
rank 8 premiums ***are*** top tier premiums and if anyone argues otherwise they don't even play the game
The F-14A is rank 8, try bringing that into a 12.7 match and then tell me that rank 8 is top tier. It’s in the top tier bracket, just like the F-4s and F-5C before it. They do this every year, why does this surprise anyone.
i don’t see why anyone other than us players care its like free kd boost
Gaijin: lol *bumps every 12.7 to rank 9
@@bfc2338 the f-14a is very capable in 12.7 what are you on about?
There aren't tiers in the game. There are ranks and battle ratings. The F-20 is top rank, but not top BR. They could have left it at rank 7 and BR 12.0, no problems, but the want to charge more, so they upped the rank.
ARH missiles this, super deadly laser tech that. Man I just want the rest of the century series
I share a lot of the concerns about how its going to shift the meta actually. As much as I wanted ARHs in the game, I was really hoping Gaijin would put in the effort to rework top tier Air RB as a game mode beforehand.
We need way bigger maps. Long range SAM SITES to cover airfields and maybe an AWAIS or tanker.
We've been tolerating these price increases for too long. $60 should be the absolute maximum for these VIRTUAL vehicles. If a new rank is introduced along with new premiums, they should cap the price at $60 and lower the price of existing premiums accordingly. While there have been reductions in Research Points (RP) and Silver Lions (SL), I can't recall a significant decrease in Golden Eagles (GE) or premium pack prices ever occurring. Tanks from 2014 still cost the same amount of GE despite no longer being the top dogs.
Especially ones that isn’t like DCS type of details gajijn will take months, if not a year to fix issues on vehicles like the BF110 g-6 that didn’t get its shrage musik gun sight until a little over a month when it wasnt in the game for YEARS
I agree.
They could increase the price to 1000$/vehicle people would still flock to buy them.
They are top tier premiums and theyve been doing it since 2021
Thats rank 7 and most of them arent top tier
@@Mr_Snek037 the MIG23ML might as well be a top tier premium. We don't need aircraft like that other than to exist as xp pinatas for top tier vets
@@platapus112 I was thinking of premiums like the kfir and the j35xs and f5c
@@Mr_Snek037 no the last top tier premiums they did were the F4S, Mig23, Mig21 Lazer etc with the tier 7 premium
I could be mistaken, however gaijin hasn’t changed the fundamentals of air rb for a long time. Sure there’s new vehicles and they increased player count and what not, but it’s always a team death match. I had hope for some change when they tested EC in rb, but I don’t think gaijin cares about making game modes better.
I love the Fox 3 meta, and majority agree it's OK and even needed now, the main issue for all game modes at top tier, is the amount of players, now I have a idea, and I've posted this on the forums, but someone keeps deleting it and idk why, but I'd love the help for this.
The idea is, when Fox 3 expansion comes, keep in mind this is for 12.0 to 12.7 (near top tier to full top tier (ARH Area)).
For arcade, the Total player count need to go down from a 16vs16 to 10vs10 with RB sized maps at top tier specifically added, for RB, keep and same map size but decrease the player count to a 8vs8 or maybe 10vs10, but 8vs8 seems less chaotic for RB.
For Simulator, lower the top tier player count BR ranging from 12.0 to 12.7 where the main new ARH missiles will be, to 12vs12, however, increase map size, so new maps and much bigger, 250km by 250km in size should be plenty, especially if they still want to keep it 16vs16 for Simulator.
Now I hope people who read this understand Simulator is supposed to be an imersive game mode, that's why I'm only saying to increase the map size for Simulator.
Anyways Tim, if you could help out to getting this to actually get some attention from the devs this would heavily appreciate even tho you already do alot for the community, anyways, thank you, and take your time.
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We need way bigger maps. Long range SAM SITES to cover airfields and maybe an AWAIS or tanker.
@hellogoodbye388 on god yes, 💯, I've been begging for that for so damn long
my biggest hope is that they lower the player lobbies to either 8v8 or 10v10 before this missiles come out since the mid map furball has been a problem for a long time
Yeah
My biggest issue with the f20 is it's warthunder furher doubling down on its model of making more and more expensive premiums, I get that warthunder probably lost some of its VERY VERY big profit margin, but warthunders moneitization model is so agressive i really have almost no sympathy for it, it's a model game model without an energy system which sucks because this game at its core is really really good.
Anyway keep up the great vids Tim
My guess is that if they did not listen to the critique, they would have lost money anyway as people would start to move on. I do not have any internal figures for it so I can only go on anecdotal evidence. But I know so many people fell off War thunder because how predatory it felt. Pretty much all the friend I had that quit it was due to it being impossible for them to play it, at least on the tier they reached, due to how the economy worked.
For the long-term of the game, it was likely a good move for them to be less predatory. Even if it does mean they lose out a bit right now. But they would anyway down the line.
We need way bigger maps. Long range SAM SITES to cover airfields and maybe an AWAIS or tanker.
The biggest fundamental shift I think is there ending up being a divide in the BRs between what jets have *modern* ARHs and what jets don't. The F-14 for example never carried AMRAAMs in service, only on test aircraft fielded by the Pacific Missile Test Centre when they were experimenting with the viability of integrating the AIM-120A into the Tomcat. Before people mention the AIM-54, the Phoenix is not remotely comparable in competitiveness for the mid-range meta gameplay that the AMRAAM, R-77, etc. will reinforce. It's too heavy, too slow and draggy at low altitudes, and not maneuverable enough to be reliable for those engagements.
This could end up being problematic since, as you mentioned, the fact a jet can carry these missiles at all may end up trumping the actual airframe performance of the jet carrying it. German F-4F Phantoms for example could carry the AIM-120 in the twilight decades of their service life due to Phase 2 of the ICE program they received in 1991, while the Tomcats, early F-16s, and F-15A can't (Vipers and Eagles couldn't carry the AIM-120 until their respective C models came out).
Would that mean that if the F-4F ICE was added, would be in the top BR bracket simply because it can carry AIM-120s, while its airframe and avionics at that BR would be almost entirely uncompetitive?
(The F-4F ICE did not upgrade certain things such as still lacking an IFF, and retaining the AN/APG-65, due to the ICE program being budget-focused stop-gap due to delays in the Eurofighter's development. At the very least though, the ICE has a modernized RWR thanks to Phase 1 of the program in '89-'90.)
This isn't even the only Phantom that can carry AIM-120s, if *Greece* ever gets into the game with an air tree, it has the F-4E Peace Icarus 2000, which was a far more comprehensive modernization program than the F-4F ICE that actually did things such as upgrading the radar and greatly enhancing its avionics suite, and would just complicate this dilemma of missile performance clashing against airframe performance even more.
The F-20 is by far my favorite jet, and to see it become a Premium hurts me. I want the preorder bonuses, but I don't feel the cost is worth it, so I'm probably just gonna wait for it to go on sale (if it ever does). 😢
it will go on sale after 3 updates, at least that's how it works normally.
cant wait for the Eurofighter. A fast and agile missle bus carrying 10 amraam/meteor and 2 iris-t/asraam/sidewinder on top
imo there is no downsides to adding new lines to existing trees like Hungarian aircrafts in italy, if anything its a good thing as grinding trees takes years for f2p and having lets say Gripen locked to only one tree makes it very hard to get for someone who didnt start grinding sweden the moment it was added to the game
Thank you for all the hard work you put in to this channel Tim! it’s amazing how you manage all your real-life stuff and still manage to produce the best WT content out there
I concur, I am grateful you do this for the community and we appreciate it. We understand the struggle with balancing life, work, and a hobby.
also yes it's an optional buy for the f-20 I agree but if that's specifically the plane you've been wanting for years, $75 and NO OPTION TO GET IT OTHERWISE is a pretty horrifically shitty thing to do in my opinion
I'm not getting the f-20 because I want to grind the american tech tree, I'm getting it because I *WANT THE F20* not just another stupid grind premium
Since they first went past Korea, all I wanted were the F-4S and A-6E. Then they went and made both of my favorite jets premium.
@@Starwalker-dm4mgman same, I don’t need to grind America, I’ve already got the planes I want in the tree, I just love the F-20, and want to play it, but now it’s $75 to play it at all. I’m just going to wait for it to go on sale now, or see if they release a tech tree version with AMRAAMS maybe.
@@Starwalker-dm4mgBut you have to spend 75 bucks when they literally showcased it in the latest trailer to their so called free to play game. It should be in the tech tree like the YAK 141 and Mirage 4000.
If I get it. It is because it is the F-20. I do like the whole F-5 series. And of course I would like to have the F-20. I do not need it to grind with since I already have unlocked all the American air tech tree.
While I like it... I will wait on getting it until it has a heavily discounted sale.
I've pretty much given up on top tier. Too chaotic, too many things to keep track of. The planes are cool, but relaxation/pleasure factor super low. Always enjoy your vids Tim, ty.
We need way bigger maps. Long range SAM SITES to cover airfields and maybe an AWAIS or tanker.
My take is that we are long overdue for a major change in the BR mechanic. BRs need to be assigned to armaments, so that an F-16 with just it's gun could be like 11.0 but the very same F-16 with AMRAAMs will be at 12.7. This would solve so many problems. No more jets with all aspect missiles ruining the mid tier gunfighter matches, no more ground pounders being either overpowered or completely useless in ARB and a clear distinction between planes with ARHs and without.
Love your content, Tim! Thank you for looking after our community ❤
I really love your content, take your time and continue making great quality videos!
Hey I really appreciate "Tim rambles a bit about war thunder news" type vids and I generally agree with a lot of your observations in this video, as a lot of us have been saying for a while now top tier arb really needs a game mode revamp
Looking forward to your project and to any low tier fun tier videos
In my opinion, theres 2 ways they could fix top tier air rb so its fun when ARH missiles are added.
1. Removing Multipathing for ARH missiles so people actually need to learn how defeat these missiles
2. Reducing the ammount of players on each team
I believe if these 2 things happen. Top tier will be a ton of fun when these missiles are finally added
At the VERY least, the preorder does come with 20 or so days of premium account time and 2500 GE so its not an ENTIRE loss for those who have looked forward for the jet. Its still sad that fans of the F-20A need to shell out a whopping 100 CAD (im Canadian) but hey, thats how the snail makes their money (again, not being helped by the pretty expansive rp and economy reworks). As for top tier ground in ARB, i personally dont really mind the loss since i never bothered with ground attack ARB but its definitely a loss for those who enjoyed how it was in the past. Such is life with the snail though.
Great video as always Tim. All the best. o7
To come back to what you said about arh at the end
Gaijin made the test server for these missiles for a reason so if everyone just says it sucks and gives a list of things they'd like to change, they will.
And just offtopic i really like how you act like an adult and actualy try making the game better instead of just complaining about the game.
Tim, you are one of if not my favorite War Thunder UA-camrs because you seem so honest and truthful. You never seem to let any bias get into your reviews. Keep up the good work man!
10.7 is gonna be such a sweet BR after the F20 comes out
Keep it going Tim, love your content,
Also, perhaps including ground vehicles in your roster might increase your viewership
Its a medium term goal to do a review of a couple of ground vehicles and see how it goes, but generally anytime I post ground content it bombs out pretty bad. We'll see.
Would love to see a vid talking about the evasion discrepancy between IRL tactics and why they aren’t working in game. I’ve noticed recently that notching in general is also extremely inconsistent.
I’m excited for ARH Missile Thunder!! It’s going to be so much fun!
I do believe that Gaijin stated they are testing smaller teams and different games than usual and are finding that it performs well in focus groups. I don’t remember exactly what was stated, but it looks promising considering what top tier has become and what it’s about to turn into
Hey Tim, first of all, loved your video, and I agree with your points. That being said, I just got paid, and my Av-Geek nerves came over and I went ahead and pre-ordered the F-20. Its been a favorite of mine since I was in the single digits. I wanted it so badly. I was immensely disappointed that it was a premium to begin with, I was hoping for Tech Tree, or at least an event vehicle. But, alas, I was over zealous and bought it anyway, and I am already familiar with top tier so I know I will get 'my moneys worth' in terms of play time over time. But I also freely agree with all the frustration shared by the community. So, I know I'm a bit of a hypocrite, but I am just saying thank you for not vilifying me, a buyer of this very expensive and cash grabby vehicle. Thank you for the video!
Also the point about the ARH meta making people upset bc it’s something they can’t overcome. You don’t buy a Hornet or Viper in DCS then quit the game immediately bc you can’t survive without getting hit with little to no warning from your RWR by a 120 or 77, you learn new tactics. Point about “only 2 AMRAAMs = DOA” can also be equated to those who buy a hog or a harrier in DCS. Literally takes 5 minutes to go over the basics and then it’s trial and error from there. Nothing in WT is ever RNG so what isn’t understood can be easily learned and combated
2:18 dont worry about that, they will nerf the earnings further to make us feel like the only option is to buy it, they have done ot many times before and i am sure they will do it in the future.
ARH meta could become frustrating but with some very easy and quick changes such as dispersing player spawns to different airfields with less players, could be quite enjoyable.
Back in the day, you could buy a t4 premium (highest you could get) for like $25. Adjusted for inflation, thats like $33 today. Nowadays if you want a top tier premium, you need to shell $75.
They should reduce prices for premiums as new, higher ranked ones, are added, and they should cap top tiers at no more than $60 (Which is already a lot)
P.S Amraams were unfun on the test event. I haven't flowned a top tier plane in a long while (But I did get all of: Su-27/F-15/Gripen/Mirage 4k) because the meta hasn't been enjoyable when I did bother. I don't think amraams improve anything; honestly they just made it even less fun.
What youve described is literally modern jet tactics. You should never be dogfighting. Radar, missiles, and stealth is all that matters
Time is understandable, everyone has their own life, your fine taking hell, a month of time of a break, your main job is more important. ❤
Nobody has to BUY the F20, but you have to FIGHT IT.
The tech tree thing is one of my pet peeves for a few years now. I think smaller tech trees would have been fine, despite Gaijin thinking their a waste or something. Of course the way to make them remotely appealing would involve making inter-tree research (say for the same model of vehicle in separate trees), which Gaijin will never go for because it's less grind they can monetize.
Unless we can use the force with the plane, none of them are worth $75 lol. I am however interested in seeing if these active radar missiles are going to make top tier more chaotic. My guess is yes they are. Thanks for the video Tim!
We need way bigger maps. Long range SAM SITES to cover airfields and maybe an AWAIS or tanker.
We need way bigger maps. Long range SAM SITES to cover airfields and maybe an AWAIS or tanker.
i think they really need to rework air rb for the amrams to have a place.
id love to see a revamped ground unit targets in air rb, maybe have the units spread more? or have the bombing targets be more strategic in look and design.
id love to also see boats get brought back, torpedo runs were my favourite.
i love the il2 style of gameplay, but it wouldnt really work, they tried with enduring confrontation, but i think they should take a stab at the idea again. especially for the large top tier jet maps, having oil refineries and power planets instead of just the same 1930s brick factory buildings. maybe even bigger bombing targets with placement damage. like hitting the roads does some but hitting the main building with bombs does more base HP?
Hey Tim , you think the AIM120 and possibly the other ARHs will have MADDOG functionality in their final state or will we still need to use bloody tws to launch them requiring more time and keybinds
Nice
Completely agree about the ARH meta coming. I will actually be taking some time next week (full time jobs suck) to do a suggestion write-up on how they could makes things much better. For instance, the gameplay is the issue, not really the player size. The maps are already big and could be a bit bigger but they don't actually give reasons to spread out. Usually ground targets are clumped together in stupid ways and still using WW2 assets. They need to develop the game mode into more of like Ace Combat missions. Multiple airfield locations, SAM's, radar sights, convoys, AWAC's, etc. Bump up rewards on ground targets too and their effect on the outcome of a match. Remove bases entirely. Remove the multi-pathing overbuff, missiles are able to reliably track at 3m and below. With all that, the SAM's will prevent players from just rushing into a furball and require ground attackers to clear them. High alt will become necessary as the SAM's will be more than happy to slap you down at low alt, or players now with multi-pathing nerfed. Basically we want to encourage active gameplay with a wide range of options. I still would like to see a 1 death limit though, otherwise it would encourage people to not care as much about their life since they can just respawn indefinitely.
And none of these suggestions are hard to implement, hell a junior dev could do most of this, it'll just take time and a functional brain. In fact I'd love to be hired by Gaijin and do this, although my experience is extensively in Blender and Unreal Engine 5 rather than 3DS Max and Dagor. Still, my point being, this is what they need to be focusing on, not adding another copy paste tech tree that all it does is burn dev time instead of producing something that increases the games value.
Tbf one of the big things about AMRAAMs is that they can pretty much fit to any pylon that can take a sidewinder. I can’t think of a single aircraft off the top of my head that can only carry 2
So, the biggest stand-outs of this update for me: First is obviously the F-20, second is ARH missile testing, and third involves that Kh-38, and 4th is just general thought on the future of the game as a whole.
So, the big thing that had my hyped was the F-20. That was a plane that, pretty much everyone knows by this point, I've been waiting for 6 years for it to be implemented. Younger me always thought "this seems like event material", but recent trends with the game had me realizing it's "time" as an event vehicle had passed, and thus I had a feeling it would be a pack premium (pre-order specifically, because that red and white demonstration scheme was literally the *perfect* pre-order bonus lol). By this point, I had kind of accounted for any possible way it could be added, and thus had stuff stashed away specifically for this (Autism is a helluva drug lmao). This is a plane that's been near and dear to my heart for the longest time, so seeing the devblog for it was honestly kinda surreal. However, a lot of that feeling of joy kinda faded into agitation as I watched people complain about no TT version, despite the fact that frankly, there's no possible way to get BOTH a TT and Prem F-20, just simply due to how the program went IRL. Also, I have already seen people asking for purely paper variants, such as the F-5J, to be added to the TT (and it's even worse that they're using images I had first posted on the forum lol). I imagine it'll go the way of the F-5C for a lot of people (where a fair number of folks were interested in the IRL Skoshi Tiger program, but sorta had its reputation stained for them because of WT).
Onto ARH testing: This is one I don't feel as qualified to discuss in detail, seeing as I almost never play top tier. However, I do play a lot of customs, and can say those are gonna get toxic as *fuck*...
I will say, Gaijin testing it as a whole is nice to see, and I can only hope they implement further changes into top tier to at least try and make things better.
Third: the Kh-38, and longer-range Air-to-Surface stuff. I've seen that the Kh-38 is supposedly pretty long range in-game, which is neat. I'm a bit concerned Gaijin may, at some point in the future, begin taking even further steps into AG weaponry via addition of possible stand-off stuff (Popeye, AGM-142 HAVE NAP, etc), and it makes me wonder about how things will go. The further we get with these weapons, the more things are gonna have to be added to counter them, such as longer-range SAMs and the like. This, however, means render distance will have to increase, and aircraft will now need a counter for SAMs (whether surface or sea-launched), meaning Anti-Rad and Anti-ship missiles, which means even further coding/game changes, and it just becomes a whole big mess.
Fourth: general thoughts
It's clear that WT is only going to get bigger and bigger, slowly getting more and more modern until there's just nothing else to be added. The future is very much uncertain, but also kind of exciting. With the road maps, Gaijin seems to be trying to introduce a lot of QoL changes, and part of me wonders if eventually, that'll culminate in the one change the community has asked for the most: Further additional gamemodes, and the old gamemodes being expanded upon.
The whole "how many AMRAAMs can this carry?" thing is what real life has devolved to as well. Look at the F-15EX and any other newer gen 4.5 plans that are not carrying stuff in internal weapons bays.
Ground attacking in top tier air being dead because of AMRAAM? Amazing stuff, I hope you're right!
When fox 3s are added i predict it will be extremely hectic because everyone will want to larp with them and fly high, but when that wares off, everyone will go back to the deck hugging meta where these are just as avoidable as fox 1s, the only difference is that u can treat these like long range IR missiles and just sling them off quickly at some level 7 F20 player whos flying high at the beginning of the match.
I love these vids
I said this before and I’ll say it again, rework premiums to my point that unique vehicles can be utilized by the general player base. Disable all of the benefits of making them viable for research and SL gain unless you pay to upgrade it or something I don’t give a damn. It’s overtly obscene at this point. Example, the A-6E is still held hostage despite that 421 (61%) were upgraded E models, making it the most common variant of the aircraft and its locked behind a paywall still after a year+. Copy/paste vehicles like Abrams, T-72, Harrier, Su-25, etc could be exempt since there’s both premium and tech tree versions, but it feels like a slap in the face when cool stuff is permanently locked.
Gaijin just wants another big sale like with the F-5c.
It was a complete no brainer for them to make the F20 a premium and slap a price tag of a full game on it.
to me fox3 won't be too much of a problem, yes it will change the meta but i think we will all have a kind of a learning curve just like when all aspect fox 2 were introduced. reducing the team sizes will change something but nontheless top tier is already a massive furrball so it will be the same type of gameplay but with long distances
I don't know much about how to counter Fox-3 missiles, but I found from 10km up in the air, firing and turning to a cold angle helps to dodge them for bvr, but a funny thing I saw in replay mode the new (kinda looks like dcs statics mode) is one my AMRAAMs started spinning.
I think as of now the fox-3 missiles is better off to maybe used in dogfights for now (Maybe that just applies to me because I don't know how to fire effectively a fox-3) I tried firing the AiM-120A between 40-35km short to even 25km. That the missile 1/10 times would hit, or lock to chaff. Or the 3 missiles I fired for 3 different targets actually instead goes for the first target I fired at. (I only used TWS so I haven't tried locking on the target after firing my AMRAAM yet)
(Hope my input was meaningful and not just banter, or TMI)
I know you aren’t keen on it but I’m still waiting on my US premium MiG-19/21 and 23 (for those who actually know about history) be it premium or event made I don’t mind I just cannot wait for the unpainted steel look with the US roundel on my MiG
Can't wait for the F-18 12x AMRAAM meta by the end of the year
I think ARH will be a nice variety to the current meta, as long as the BR difference is high enough, so that you can still pick 11.* vehicles and have fun with the current meta's playstyle.
Ill be glad to get the jet tutorials, grabbed the f20a bc why not
My take on the price is you aren't forced to buy it, if you can't afford it don't get it. But also don't whine bc whomever that person is also shouldn't complain abt the price solely bc it's expensive for then. I mean WOT players pay 100$ for some tanks without batting an eye. It's kinds the game communities fault for letting it push this far
F-20A is a bad-ass jet, and I want it, but no way I'll pay 75 bucks for it. And I'm old and can easily afford it. It's just too much and I can't justify it. I'll wait until Christmas sale and then maybe get it - just because I love that jet.
I only play sim battles, so I expect it to be OK in the 11.7 to 12.7 bracket, but it'll get its clock cleaned often enough by Su-27s and F-15Js. It'll be good, but not OP is my guess. It's a bit like an F-16A.
I want to ask how everyone would feel about a late variant of the F20 in the tech tree with AMRAAMS. This would be similar to like the A10A and A10A in the tech tree. Do you think that would be a good idea or no?
I think they should add new game modes. Something like defend this base from enemy airstrike or protect the bomber formation or something along the line of these, maybe even give the defending side an AI AWACS or Patrior sites so the attackers need to find or defend against them and in these mode they should remove the TDM element somehow like the mission has a 20 minute timeframe but the can respawn at set times (3min,5min,7min,etc) until they manage to achive the goal or the timeframe runs out or give us a mode between sim and realistic where you have realistic gamemode like controls but you actually need to use your radar so you need to go into the cockpit but can go into a 3rd person mode so it's easier to dogfight bet in this case you don't see anything radar related.
Maybe these are bad ideas I don't know but I'm seriously considering leaving air combat if they don't do something like "re B.R. ing" everything from 11.0 and upwards. It is really annoying to try to fight F15s, Mig29s, Flankers and Gripens if i can only play 11.0 or 11.3. OR don't change the battle rating just don't let the 4th gens fight the 3rd gens. Maybe lowering player count per matches can be an improvement too.
The last thing that you didn't speak about for the active radar missile is the battle rating just before this technology. Currently, it's very frustrating to play 11.3 or 11.7 planes because of the huge gap between the top BR and these ones. So, what is going to happen when these missiles come into the game for this BR especially?
I think my take on the price of premiums is weird. I feel as if they should reduce the price of lower tier premiums and set a maximum "top tier" price. Take for example the Tiger Sla or T29, 40 United States bucks got you access to grind every tier in their relevant trees. Now, those same vehicles only give you access to half the tree. Seems as if the value of lower tier vehicles have more over gone down while the newer more expensive vehicles have taken that value.
Gaijin can argue that a plane that grinds 8 tiers grinds *more* than those tier 4 premiums did in their day, but it feels as if this price increase is just unreasonable at this point.
Hello, I'm with you at the Rank 8 Premiums, I will never buy a 75$ War Thunder plane. An IL-2 package with 8 better modeled planes and a map or a DCS module (my F-4E just cost 55$ in the preorder) and these are fun and useful for several years, not months. But nobody needs them at Rank 8 right now. I fear the same for all those players that also enjoy none missile carriers, even SB will be bad because we have a lot of maps with large flat areas. I hope we get in my live time something like the Falcon 4.0 or BMS campaign, where everyone can fly the mission he want and play as a team, okay War Thunder and teamplay don't get good together right now.
I guess I personally can see both sides, so it's a little difficult. I'm personally not exactly looking forward to ARH missiles as dealing with them can be a bit of a pain, from my imagination. Altho I haven't tested it out as I don't have any of jets that can use it.
Last thing (this feels to say weird lol), I do enjoy your content and everything, and If it gets busy, that's fine, take your time. it really sounds like the update stuff came at a terrible time for you, so don't push it mate! quality over quantity.
And have a good one!
I'm so mad about the F20, it should have been a tech tree or event vehicle. Now it is just overpriced and going to plummet US air win rates even further. Even without the need to buy it, it is still locked behind a paywall for such a cool ass jet. It still could be worse, to be fair.
the hungary air tree is good. it gives italian players something to look forward to that isn’t an F104 and it gives you the option to use hungarian planes with hungarian tanks. and it’s not reasonable to think every tech tree will get a mig-15. besides having duplicates in tech trees is good. i originally started the china tech tree because it had the american and soviet planes i wanted the most and that worked out great for me. now that i’ve grinded ussr and america i realized just how much extra work i was able to skip to get the planes i wanted the most.
I feel that SIM is going to be the game mode that will use actual BVR tactics with ARH weapons since the games are have a lot less players roaming around the place.
I think 75€ is a lot, but I dont think releasing the F-20 as a premium is bad. It makes sense being basically a prototype, and Its at an awful BR (constant uptiers to 12.7) and it doesnt doesnt seem to be too strong at 12.0. Limas and 2 Sparrows are not hard to deal with.
YF-23 to be $100+
It's a large price point... but you don't HAVE to buy it. Game is still F2P at the end of the day... and there are other things you can get for far cheaper that'd probably be much more enjoyable if you must get something (which I understand, it really does make a difference for the grind especially if jets is your main interest). I mean honestly it's not surprising they are going higher and higher when the F-5C price was bumped up due to being moved to rank 7 (even though NOTHING about it has changed) and all other rank 7's have been $70. Wait until the end of the year where it may be on sale for the holidays. It would fit the criteria at that point just like the F-4S did, which also released with the Spring update last year. The scummy thing about this... Is they can increase the BR to 13.0 and suddenly next update a 12.7 premium shows up for $75-$80.
My issue with the ever higher tier premiums is that they don't seem to be rebalancing the cost of premiums as they add more tiers into the game, they just seem to be making them cost even more money resulting in these ridiculous pricetags. When you introduce a new tier of premiums then all premiums should have their costs rebalanced to keep the prices fair and competitive, I mean, there are now mid-tier, even ww2 premiums that still cost full game money. The Fw190 D-13 and P-51 D-20 are still $30 USD, the Somua SM and IS-6 are $45 USD, the T-55 is $60 USD and the M-51 still costs $40 USD and that's the very first Israeli premium tank. If you want to keep introducing higher tier premiums then you should be reducing the value of these lower tier premiums because that is exactly what you are doing. A "top tier" modern premium should never cost more than around $50 USD with tiers below that being rebalanced so that the WW2 stuff maybe costs around $10-20 USD and post-war/cold war era stuff $30-40 USD. I feel like this would keep people interested in picking up some of the older stuff they maybe skipped and keep them excited for the next set of premiums knowing that they weren't going to be price gouged all the way up the ranks just because Gaijin decided to add an extra number to their tier system.
They did say they would add hungarian domestic designs later. Also every tree has a sherman already so might as well have a mig, hell US is getting a T-90 at some point.
Can't wait to see the video about Hungarian Air Force! What saddens me the most about the update and the Hungarian subtree is how boring it is. They could have spent time and resources to get some actual Hungarian planes and it probably wouldn't be that hard for them since the main studio itself is in Hungary. But I guess they are too busy jumping on the trash fire that is this game to actually bother with unique stuff
I think the air sub-tree for Italy would have been better if it was a combined Romanian/Hungarian line as that would have opened up the opportunity to more unique options like the IAR-93B,IAR-99, and even things like the MiG-21 LanceR A/B/C and MiG-29 sniper which while are still a MiG-21 and 29 have been upgraded enough and changed to the point that they are still unique.
This imo would have been a far better option than just throwing in a bunch of already existing jets with no uniqueness to them whatsoever.
The same thing could have and should have been done for their ground subtree tree as well but that ship has already sailed so meh.....
You should wait for the fox 3 update to make new radar videos, i bet they gonna change it again when that update drops.
Eow, if the snail gave the US tech tree soviet fighters from "Red Flag" operations, I would be happy? Get a Mig-29 without having to grind another tech tree, Also, AIM120s would level the playing field with the R-27ER missiles, Gaijin snakingly nerfed them AIM-54s turning rates without announcing them, but the R-27ER meta, is fine by their Russian Copium standards. (I have been using the F-14B exclusively just to help my team reduce the enemy numbers, just for a fighting chance)
At least the $75 is for more then just the jet. There’s gold and premium time too.
There is already alot of cheaper packs with the same pros…
To me if some of the variants of some fighters from either nation get to be Premium let's give an example: War Thunder anounces the F-14D Super Tomcat but gets to be a Premium or the AV-8B II Harrier, or the Dassault Rafale for France and others been awaited for us the players, it's gonna create some havoc again like the one we saw in May of last of year with Negative Bombardment on Steam.
All of those would be much worse than the F-20 because they are production aircraft, the F-20 was in prototype stage when it was cancelled. I don’t think it should be premium but it makes much more sense as an event vehicle than in the tech tree
I agree that WTs vehicle value is insanely high especially compared to what you get for that price point in DCS. Its a massive price for a virtual model thats not even that high of visual quality. If i'm playing 75$ for a tank i expect fully simulated interior and maybe some dedicated solo/coop missions for that.
WT really has a problem with price inflation but its only gotten worse since 2020 when that same price usually nets a whole ass game and all DLC or several games in some cases. And we know its all teh whale's fault at this but gajin isn't clean either, they could reduce the prices by 75% and they would still rake in money hand over first as those are virtual assets, they are not that expensive to make and they quickly recoup their cost after which its just free profit. Their whole pricing system really needs a serious overhaul, especially for GE vehicles like vehicles with rocket launchers which cost as much as a near top tier GE vehicle, yeah ok it has rockets but there is nothing special about it otherwise , if anything it kinda makes it worse due to that external weakpoint so maybe it should actually get priced less then the tier average.
75 is ludicrous
I am okay with the prices. It limits who will get it.
Like I've continuously said, they need to put an update out that focuses wholely on fixing/repairing/updating what we already have in the game... as things only get worse with each update....
As far as the f20 premium goes... I personally dont see the value vs price point that is being impeded upon us, even more so in the absolutely ludicrous marketplace vehicle costs...
For me, I dont really need a top tier jet since ive got most nations into jets already, but I also enjoy trying out each vehicle I unlock, usually spading it as I use it to unlock the next and repeat. I understand that there are some folks that will omly use a premium to grind out a tree, i guess to each their own.
Would I like to have one of these, yes, do i wish they would make TT versions to coincide with these instead, hell yea, but I am honestly not buying these obvious marketed cash grabs, and I absolutely hate that the dev server performance (despite being labeled as not reflection of actual update) plays a factor in persuading individuals to purchase it... and as mentioned, they get mediocre performance upon live release.
I was excited to see the additional subtree coming to Italy, but I would have much rather seen domestic produced vehicles from the subtree nation rather than essentially copy paste vehicles...
I know I could go on and on... but I completely agree with having an ominous feeling in regards to the upcoming update...
Sorry for the lengthy post, I just wish they would fix our current issues at hand than trying to implement new features or armaments..
Thats my two cents at least, im sure some will agree, others not, it is what it is.
I always appreciate that Tim has a more critical view rather than some other CCs. Thank you as always sir o7
i dont see these top premiums as cash grabs i see them as the key to the tech tree
Top tier spamraam game play is going to suck unless and until they introduce -
a) 4v4 to 8v8 matches only
b) Area ECM
c) GCI and AWACS support
d) Anti radiation missiles and
e) Area air defence systems eg Patriot, Buk, S-300/400 etc
gaijins solution to the monumental grind from reserve to top tier is to just sell a top tier, genius!
In terms of the impact of ARH missiles...
1. On putting other aspects of the plane in the proverbial back seat: Well, yeah. That is what happened in real life too. I know that the game isn't real life but it is based on it so unless Gaijin does their own thing certain trends of real life are going to carry over. I had absolutely no interest in seeing any aircraft added into the supersonic realm because even IR missiles did this to some degree. The more capable your reach out and touch weapons are the less relevant every other aspect of the vehicles are outside of the ability to counter said weapons until those weapons are depleted. I personally am not interested in gameplay where that is more and more the case.
2. On the players and progression: Honestly I was hoping to see that with just IR missiles. Not because of any malice on my part but because I was hoping that the player base would recognize where it is going to lead and say "this is bad enough". I was hoping that the player base would get tired of Gaijin's antics as much as 5 years before it did too. I was also hoping that the players would take a harder stand against Gaijin and ask for larger improvements to the game rather than fairly limited ones. Ultimately I don't know where the player base, on the whole, will draw the line and how much they are willing to endure.
I genuinely don't think that there is a happy middle here.
As for the channel news: I hope your real life work goes as smoothly as possible for you and that you are able to enjoy it. Get back to videos as and when you can.
As for the F-20? You don't need to pay money to access it. You just need to pay money to be able to take it into PvP matches. Shame you can't fly it on various maps solo... oh, wait. :)
Whats the point of the F-20 when the F-16A is at the same BR?
They need to do something about Sim mode and these "separate country" tech tree vehicles in Sim. I like to play Sim ground and air as it is the closest to cold war combat, in that it's usually China and USSR vs NATO and everyone else. In the earlier tiers, and during WW2, a "stolen" vehicle like the Russian Panther or German Sherman isn't immersion breaking, but if I want to play 7.0-12.0 Sim now, Germany having both the F-4F and the Mig-23 in the same lineup on the same team is immersion breaking, and for Italy this is really going to break my immersion.
Why not just make it so only East German, Hungarian, Polish vehicles are on one side and things like West German, Italian, and other NATO stuff is allowed on the other when doing that kind of matchmaker in Sim? It really punishes players because now you don't know if you're fighting a friendly or enemy tank or jet (at least in Air Sim until you're like 0.8km away or so or have say IFF on a jet).
And you can also keep the regular random country matchmakers for Sim too, but just make it so there is availability for that kind of thing because for a lot of sessions, you can clearly see it's USSR/China vs everyone else. I don't want it for all Sim sessions, but I feel like there are people like me who really like to get that East vs West immersion in their battles.
Top tier was already unplayable. I couldn't imagine it can be worse.
Hey Tim i learned really quickly that the majority of the community accepted $70 dollar plus as noemal after i posted about the F20. I thought the $75 price tag should have fostered a large reaction and discussion, but i was quickly informed i was wrong. Sad, but this is how this type of peicing gets normalized by a community.
My only problem is that techtree players can’t have a beautiful piece of aviation history
I really wish we didn't get a rank 8 premium till after rank 9 was well established. And didn't cost $5 less than what the top teir DCS Modules while offering little in content that DCS offers.like imagine if we got a campaign to come with the F-20 that could teach newbies how to fly it and it be entertaining?
drop 5 more dollars on top of 75 and get 2 copies of helldivers 2 and get your friend to fight for super earth insted of spending 75$ on a war thunder premium u dont need
I do think they ought to just rename the tech trees if they'll add, say Romania and some other minor European Axis members as sub-trees.
As a kinda Hungarian vehicles fan due to a long-time friend, I hope it's not only Soviet crap and the Swede fighters, but also German (& Italian? ;P) aircraft, and my best hope are the native Hungarian aircraft. Though, I do realize the vague nature of those planes, being that they were bombed to atoms before they could even be produced.
Tinfoil hat time: Does a Rank 8 premium mean we’ll get the F-22 in Rank 9 by the end of the year? Possibly the AIM-260 next year?
What if i just want to fly a f20?
Why are they making tier 8 premiums when Italy still doesn’t have a decent tier 7 premium?
in AUD the prem is 115 bucks... that's a third of weekly paycheck.