Michael, either way i'm not very interested in this John Lennon solo demo. It's just for curiosity IMO. However, if they were to work on a REAL Beatles recording - such as the George Harrison 1964 recording "You Know What To Do" - then i would be interested!! This song already has George, John & Paul on it. Add some drums by Ringo & some additional instrumentation from Paul. You've then got something more authentic. Plus the original demo is a much higher quality recording than "Now Or Then".
Olivia Harrison recently said: “Back in 1995, after several days in the studio working on the track, George felt the technical issues with the demo were insurmountable and concluded that it was not possible to finish the track to a high enough standard. If he were here today, [son] Dhani and I know he would have wholeheartedly joined Paul and Ringo in completing the recording of Now and Then.”
I think most of us have heard the song enough times through fan mixes, as well as the original demo to know if they have tinkered with the vocals beyond track separation, eq and general restoration. One thing I am curious to hear is how the new technology will work as far as making John’s vocal sound more like it was recorded with a proper mic. I know ai can work miracles with frequency restoration, and there is definitely an inherent issue with missing frequencies on a vocal recorded with a 1970s cassette recorder’s condenser microphone. I’m genuinely curious from a technical standpoint about this… and I was really looking forward to hearing remixes of “Free As A Bird” and “Real Love” for this reason. I’m really disappointed that they didn’t do this.
Yeah and even though John’s cassette recorder was one of the very best available at the time, he didn’t plug in a mic, but rather used the built in condenser mic he had on the machine! Great point lowenbad! ❤❤❤
Sean Lennon, Paul and Ringo have ALL said Machine Assisted Learning software was only used to isolate john's voice from his cassette demo, so the song could be mixed without the background noise and without his piano which wanders all over the place while he sings. This is exactly how MAL was used to remix revolver. MAL doesn't generate sound, it just isolates individual sounds from a 1-track recording. There's no generative AI used on this track! People need to know. Sidenote: None of John's demo piano is on the finished song. Paul learned John's parts and played studio piano on the track (Just like they would have done in the 60s when Paul played 90% of the piano parts on Beatles songs, and John only played a few).
Yes they did, but only after initial statements made by them and Penn of Penn and Teller, indicating otherwise! Either way, se LL know in 2 day’s time Jeffrey! ❤❤❤
Ah Paul's just 81 and said AI, which technically MAL is a form of AI, but it's not generative AI, it's very different than these AI things people post on UA-cam. Ringo always confused remaster for remix, don't take his word for anything technical, and Sean Lennon ever wavered and was always clear in his descriptions. Penn? Eh, he thinks horns are on N&T, obviously his memory of the Giles conversation is not all clear.@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine
I'm very optimistic about Now and Then, think it will be amazing! Over the years I've often listened to John's demo and to me it's very poignant and heartfelt, have always regarded it as an unpolished gem and kept hoping that Paul would be a man of his words and get it finished properly as he has often promised over the years. Well, my wish is coming true so yep, definitely excited about this!
I would agree that Paul with this demo could very well turn the song into a classic! But will he? Hmmm… Like I’ve said before, hope springs eternal Fritha!😮
Please stop complaining about us having one final new Beatles single, and extended RED & BLUE albums. I've just watched a video by Miles Showell (Mastering Engineer for this release) who says it is a really lovely song; The Stones have issued a very good album, but how many of the original 5 band members are on it ? I am also looking forward to hearing the RED album', as true remixed stereo . TREBOR
So old Paul + digitally rescued John is good, but digitally rescued Paul & John is not? Michael, I love ya man, but you're wrong on the de-aging. I'll tell you why: 1) The Beatles (especially John) would do anything to make their voices sound good. They were ALWAYS toying with the sound of their voice. 2) The process of de-aging isn't as artificial as you might think. Paul is singing the song and the frequencies missing from his sound are replaced with his pre-injury voice. It's not a simulation, as much as it's literally his tone from him. It's essentially a "Paul effect", no different than John or Paul putting his voice through an amp to make a new tone. Lady Madonna isn't Paul's natural voice either. John's voice isn't "pure" on "Tomorrow Never Knows" and thank God for that 3) The Beatles had no rules in the studio, outside of "It has to sound good". Paul is a legend in 2023 and his mind is still sharp, but his voice is damaged. Why does he have to leave it that way on a record if he doesn't want to? We both know John would absolutely be all over AI making his own voice younger. Paul is probably depressed about his voice and doesn't enjoy hearing it, so why are we forcing him to leave it as it is? It's not just his age, he sounds like he's damaged them. The problem I have with the song is "Eleanor Rigby" and "Here there & Everywhere" being recycled. Mainly because I've heard them before and I want to hear new stuff made just for this song.
I agree with you regarding The Beatles and especially John would mess around with their voices and other aspect as well MrKeychange! But John and George are not here to make those decisions. Besides, I still think an older Paul and younger Lennon makes more since, especially when you consider the title, Either way, great points here brother! ❤❤❤
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine As far as it making more sense, your point is totally valid. I think a lot of us (me included) want Paul to be Johnny Cash, but given his collaboration choices and use of de-aging, he's obviously not seeing himself that way. I get it. I'll probably fight my age to the last breath too I figure if we'll all enjoy it more and he personally prefers it, there's no harm.
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine Regarding, John and George not being here, that's also a valid point. With that in mind, George said in an interview that he'd hope one day when he's gone "someone will turn his shitty demos into hit songs." haha He was joking, but also not. He had no problem doing it without John John hand picked Paul as his partner and nobody knew him better musically. What I consider is how John died and the fact that perhaps Paul almost has a duty to finish John's last songs. In the 60s, John would always lend snippets to Paul's music and when he died, all these ideas were destined to die with him. Those demos and the hours of material Jack Douglas has are ideas John wanted people to hear. I think Paul and Yoko should do whatever they can find. Not as the Beatles, but as John & Paul.
Hi Michael! Great excerpts from a really fun edition of Royce in the House. Glad I was able to jump in for a bit. It was good to see everyone and I encourage folks to check out the full livestream. You guys did an excellent job covering this song and the future implications of AI. I think there’s so much more to dive into in regards to AI and legacy artists moving forward. Hopefully on a future show. For now, this will be a huge week in Beatle history. Can’t wait to review Wednesday’s documentary. It should be very telling.
Oh I so agree with you Bruce regarding folks really taking the time for the whole stream! IMHO it was one of Royce’s very best streams ever! BTW: Your Frankenstein comment first perfectly with my Halloween theme! Thanx for that brother! ❤❤❤
George recorded a harmony vocal in '95, and tracked acoustic and electric guitar parts. Giles also said that Paul insisted the strings they recorded for Now and Then responded to and took into account how George was playing rhythm guitar. So George's guitar influenced the strings! He'll be very big influence on the finished song, more of an influence than on several Beatles classics. Several Pepper and White Album songs where George didn't play anything or just played one guitar part.
So, youd rather have pauls current voice ruining the youthful sound that is the beatles, that id assume theyre going for? The voice gets old. No fault of paul, but he sounds like a shaky old womaan. Your saying you wknt have anything to do with it if paul sounds younger or...less gruff, more crystaline? Cmon now. In this clip, youve jumped to waaaay too manny conclusions.these guys have all the resource in the music world to make this sound good. As were also talking about the stuff from 93/94, that stuff can be brought out much better. And im.willing to be you cant hear pitch correction on somebody who can actually sing, autotune is more of the case where you can clearly hear it jumping, when somebody cant sing a note to save their life. I think your writing this off too soon, but your gunna be making mlney from videos when it comes out and you praise it to high heavens.
I totally agree with you. It seems like the arguments are arbitrary. Paul's voice is damaged (not just old) and I don't understand this need to force him to leave it that way on a Beatles record. Everyone seems fine with him using it on his own albums. He's super vain and it's probably making him nuts. John hated his voice and would have been all over this tech if it existed. It's just an effect like any other, only it's innovative.
Great points N, but the less real the track is for me, the harder to get behind it! Besides, as I’ve said many times I still hold out hope for the single! ❤❤❤
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine If this was a band that didn't spend their heyday with a 24-hour staff of engineers working on their music, I'd agree with you They were experimental, so it's just the Beatles being weird again. I miss John. Whatever brings a part of that man back into my ears, I'm game for. As long as it's not totally AI.
Just for fun.... I'm curious what you guys think if this track. It's 100% authentically all four Beatles. (explanation below): ua-cam.com/video/-OucCmmYTuM/v-deo.html This is what you're hearing: Paul's Bass from 1995 George's Acoustic Guitar from 1995 Ringo's drums from another song George's slide from another song John's Piano from the Demos w/ Paul's piano from 1995. A full orchestra performance scored by George Martin New harmonies with John & Paul from the 80s backing the bridges. Paul & George backing vocals from 1995 taken from a Jeff Lynne documentary. (So I watched them sing without him), and John added to them. It's Frankenbeatles! 😜🤘
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine haha.Hopefully it wasn't too scary . :) I gave myself some rules (I didn't play on it, Beatles only, no AI singing etc) and just put the pieces together. It took a solid two months to do that, for basically no reason beyond I wanted to hear it. lol
Did you have a problem with 'When I'm 64'? 'Rain'? 'Strawberry Fields'? All speed altered. For 'When I'm 64', it was specifically meant for Paul to sound "younger", just like in 'Now & Then'...
The Beatles and in particular John Lennon always manipulated their vocals. John didn't like his voice. I believe you are talking nonsense...it's a Beatles single, let's enjoy it. AI has taken out Johns Piano so just his voice is heard and that's the benefit of the new technology that has allowed this song to now be released.
Again, I just think that a song called Now and Then, the artistic thing to do would be to have John on the ‘THEN” portions of the song. And Paul on the ‘NOW’ portions Geoffrey. Don’t forget that the Beatles would change things including vocals for ‘artistic purposes! But spot on regarding your comment brother! ❤❤❤
I don't remember in '67 people complaining that Paul's voice on When I'm 64 was made to sound younger by using the tech. of the time or that the invention of ADT tech. was shocking because normal double tracking should be the standard forever!
You’re right nobody did! But with the title Now and Then, wouldn’t;t it be more artistic to use Pauls aging voice for the very same reasons they tried to youthen up his voice on When I’m 64? Just saying, but point well taken Granite! ❤❤❤
Personally I don't have high expectations when it comes to the reworked demo of Now and Then. It's a decent ballad but there is a reason why Lennon decided not releasing a proper version of it. IMHO they should have released it on Anthology 3 with a few overdubs to make it more listenable and Beatlesque but sadly George vetoed it. However, 'm still looking forward listening to the new version.
Great discussion guys! The part that intrigues me most is your thoughts on Paul’s voice on the track. Bruce brings up a cool point about it being truly “Now and Then” with youthful (late 30s) John and older Paul. I’m not sure how I feel about that yet. I guess once it comes out Thursday, we will know for sure and can give 👍 or 👎 on how Paul’s vocal is handled. Great video! Cheers 🍻 😊Matt
Matt, thanks for sharing your thoughts on this! Really looking forward to your insightful take on it once it drops. You always approach these things with such enthusiasm and an open mind.
HELLO AGAIN,WELL I HAVE ANOTHER BONE TO PICK,WHEN THE US LPS CAME OUT I,I THINK JAN,2014,I DID NOT BUY THEM AT FIRST I HAVE THE CAPITAL BOX SET ,PART1&2 THE FIRST EDITIONS HAD FLIP PLASTIC COVER,WITH LABELBAND ON THE LEFT,THESE SHOULD NOT BE CHANGED,WHY THEY DO THIS i DONT KNOW, ICOULD BE WRONG ON THIS,THE LATEST ONES HAVE JUST THE ST MIX ONLY,THIS IS A MISTAKE,i HAVE TO WRITE THEM ABOUT THIS,IT SHOULD BE KEPT LIKE THE 2014 EDITIONS,THEY HAVE PLEANTY OF CARDBOARD,MY BIG COMPLAINT IS THE BEATLES65 CD,THE BRITISH MIX OF I FEEL FINE,SHES A WOMAN M&S,IS NOT ONE ANY OF THE 3 US RELEASES,SINGLE CD,WITH M&SCAPITAL BOX SET ,PART 1,OR THE US BOX SET,THAT SO CALLED MIX,I NEVER LIKED,WHEN i FIRST BOUGHT IT,I RECALL THANKSGIVEING WEEK IN 64,ON A SUNDAY,I WENT RIGHT HOME TO PLAY IT,THEY ADDED TAPE AMBEINCE,I THINK,I HAS VOCALS THAT SOUND DISTORTED,IN THE STEREO MIX,THEY ADDED REVERB,SAME WITH SHES A WOMAN ANOTHER FLAW,THE UA,HARD DAYS NIGHT,WAS NOT USED FOR EITHER OF THE TWO EDITIONS,THE US BOX SET OR THE SINGLE VERSION ,,THE MONO MIX FOR THE UA WAS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE BRITISH MIX,THE STEREO MIX AS I RECALL,PANNED THE VOCALS OF TELL ME WHY,IN AND OUT,THE ENTIRE LP FOR THE STEREO LP,SHOULD HAVE BEEN MIXED LIKE THIS,WITH THE GUITAR SOLOS FOR CANT BE LOVE,AND I LOVE HER,IF I FELL,HARD DAYS NIGHT,JUST THINK HOW THIS WOULD SOUND,WELL ITS MY OPINION ONLY,,,,,ONE MORE THING,THE NEW HARD DAYS NIGHT DVD,THE ORIGINAL MIXES WERE DIFFERENT,,THE TEMPOS WERE TO FAST FOR THE FILM SEGMENTS,SO THE SLOWED THE SONG TRACK BY SAY 1/4TH,SO ITS A 3/4TH SLOWED DOWN SPEED,,,GILES MARTIN DID THIS TO THE ORIGINAL SPEED,AND IT SEEMS OUT OF PLACE,SO i PREFER THE PREVIOUS EDITION,FROM MIRAMAX,I HAVE SAID A LOT,MY NEXT EMAIL,WILL BE ABOUT THE BOX SET OF THE US LPS,WHICH COULD BE A BIG SELLER,IF DONE RIGHT,THANKS,DAN DIORIO,,
@@MrKeychange They probably would have checked in with one another like Page and Plant, but maybe some one-off reunion shows... or maybe a VH1 Unplugged.
Probably should at least wait until you hear the song, before cutting it down...lol. Maybe we are under estimating The Beatles talent...lol...wonder how many #1 hits Mr. Expert has...lol !
HELLO AGAIN,i HAVE A LOT OF COMMENT IN ME,THE RUBBER SOUL REMIXED EDITION,i BET IS ALREDDY BEING DONE,IF NOT AS OF THIS LETTER,IT WOULD A GREAT ADDITION TO THE RED& BLUE SETS,i AM SURE IT COULD HAVE BE OUT AT THE SAME TIME,ITS FUNNY ABOUT THIS CD& LP THAT NO ONE SEEMS TO COMMENT ON,WHEN THE US ALBUM CAME OUT,THE TITTLE WAS IN DARK BROWN,IT WAS A SHADE OF RED/BROWN THE EXACT COLOR I NEVER LOOKED UP,IN 1987 WHEN THE CD CAME OUT CAPITAL STILL USED THE ORIGINAL LP COVER COLOR,THE LP WAS ISSIUED WITH THE BRITISH 14 TK ,BUT WITH THE RED/BROWN TITTLE COVER,GO FIGURE THAT ONE,THE 2013 EDITION HAD THE RED/BROWN,WITH THE 14TK BRITISH MIXES,THE CAPITOL STILL HAD THE BROWN COLOR TITTLE,WHICH i GUESS WILL STAY,,I PLAN TO TO WRITE CAPITOL ABOUT THE RED& BLUE EDITIONS,I WONDER IF ANY WILL WRITE ABOUT THIS,MAYBE NO ONE CARES,SAD IF THATS THE CASE,,DAN DIORIO
I agree with you here Danin! I think they were working on Rubber Soul, when the single waylaid the project! I’ll bet the Rubber Soul tracks were from those initial sessions! ❤❤❤
hello michael,,thanks for your reply,as I said I have a new laptop,with a camera built in and I WOUld like to have a live chat session ,all night if nessacery,I am sure everyone has a few bones to pick,just to change the subject for a bit,the white album was a bit of a ripoff too,the binding was so thin,capital was always cheap with cardboard,it split right after I bought it,it was based on the original 2lp set,I still have mine,it was thick,even for a 2lp set,the 3cd set is too heavy for the binding,go figure that out,it should have been in a slipcase,which would cost nothing,,another flaw is the sgt pepper,when it came out in june 4 2017,and i listen to the bonus disc,,no extra tracks of,WITH A LITTLE HELP,JUST A BACKING TRACK,THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A REHERSAL TAke,and ANOTHER COMPLETE VERSION,WITH DIALOG AT THE START,AND MAYBE THE LP TAKE,WITH A CHAT INTRO AT THE START& END,THIS WOULD HAVE REALLY MADE THIS SET GREAT,EVEN THE EXPANDED BOX SET DID NOT INCLUDE THIS,THE ,1s remix was not right ,some were not really REMIXED,AND JUST MADE LOUDER,PENNEY LANE,BALLAD OF,FROM ME TO YOU SHOULD HAVE HAD A STEREO MIX,BY MOVEING THE VOCAL IN THE CENTER,AND THE HARMONICA TRACK PUT IN THE CENTER,SINCE ITS ON A SEPERATE TAPE, FOR THE ORIGINAL SESSION TAPE,THE NEW MIX OF PENNEY LANE WAS INCLUDED ON 1,s,,which was a error,it should have been the promo mix which was a different mix for the vocal& backing instrumental track than the 45 mix,,I WILL SAY MORE IN THE NEXT TEXT,DAN DIORIO,,
The original Sony Cassette Tape Deck. That Lennon used to record this last song on. Was a State of the Art recorder for it's Time! The condenser microphones were phenomenal! They would actually adjust to the volume of whatever was being recorded! My Band like most, was very loud. But the rehearsal Jams were never distorted! The recordings would come out Crystal clear! Playing the tapes back in the car sounded great! Amazing condenser microphone, Sony always the Best! I had that from 1977 until the mid 80's. Then It was stolen at a rehearsal studio! Or I would still have that Sony Cassette Tape Deck Today!
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLineI'm able to do the same sort of thing Peter Jackson did on John's demos and you'd be shocked how good the vocals sound when the instruments and tape noise are removed with new methods. John sang these demos multiple times. The trick to elevating the sound to near-studio quality is isolating his vocals off multiple versions and comping/ double tracking them. Basically, do what John always did in the studio and they sound like they always did. I can link you to a version of "Free As A Bird" I messed around with if you'd like to hear it for yourself. It's a version I did just for me because Jeff Lynne's fanboying all over the original has always irritated me. My version has only the Beatles on it, proper John & Paul harmonies etc.
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine Thank's Mike, "Great Channel" Ya, like must of us he was lazy! He was inspired at the moment! He wasn't going to stop & look for cables & stands to hook up 🎤 He knew those condenser mics we're good enough for playback. He wasn't thinking about any future recording's.
I always thought it was blasphemous that the solo from Taxman was flown in to Tomorrow Never Knows. Keep the songs straight and don’t mix them together.
I agree with you completely on this Michael!! The Lennon piano demo is not very good as is Irs dirge like so it will be interesting what they’ve done with it
Why do all this speculation and commenting on things you don’t know? You haven’t heard it. None of us have. You’re making arguments for things you don’t even know to be 100% true. Just relax. Wait for a minute, LISTEN to the actual song when it comes out, instead of citing “reports” and then make your video. Secondly, The Beatles have and will always be about pushing the envelope, pushing boundaries to the max, embracing technology. Do you like Strawberry Fields? There is so much vocal and editing trickery in just that one song and yet it’s universally adored as one of their best. I guess my point it is, The Beatles are doing what they always have. And I’m willing to bet in the next year or two, countless major acts will follow there lead yet again.
I only commented on what was said by Paul Ringo, & Penn of Penn & Teller since he was privy to a personal advanced listening! And it was just a discussion in anticipation, that’s all cbee! I have studied the Beatles as a musician and fan, and you are right they have always pushed the boundaries, but with John and George no longer to give a current say in matters, I think Paul % Ringo need to be careful with what they do with this single, that’s all! But thanks for your comments! All well thought out, in antithesis of my points, and I love them!❤❤❤ Besides, talking about upcoming Beatle projects started when I was about 9 years old, so…😉
I've been a Beatles freak for most of my 61 years, but this song doesn't sound like a good one. I've heard Lennon demos (as a Beatle and solo artist) that started out crummy and turned into phenomenal songs. For example, "Real Love," which I LOVE, began as a completely different song. But it takes time. This sounds like a mediocre demo that Lennon never had the chance to really work on. I don't like it, and his voice doesn't sound good at all. I wish, instead, they'd put their AI efforts toward "Real Love" to clean THAT up, and "Free as a Bird," too. I don't care if they AI Paul's voice (although I agree with the "Now and Then" comment about using an older Paul and a younger John), because the song just isn't good, period. I think Harrison wasn't interested in this song because he didn't think it was good. But, as we all know, this has nothing to do with quality or history; it's all about money. It's always all about money.
Michael, either way i'm not very interested in this John Lennon solo demo. It's just for curiosity IMO. However, if they were to work on a REAL Beatles recording - such as the George Harrison 1964 recording "You Know What To Do" - then i would be interested!! This song already has George, John & Paul on it. Add some drums by Ringo & some additional instrumentation from Paul. You've then got something more authentic. Plus the original demo is a much higher quality recording than "Now Or Then".
That’s a great idea Tiger! As you know, I’m a major Harrison fan so, yeah! Let’s do that! ❤❤❤
When Ringo become the only one survived, he'll certainly add his drum part to that demo, making it the VERY last Beatles song.
@@Zholobov1 I hope Yoko doesn't outlive him... she has no rhythm.
@@TheKitchenerLeslie it’s time to think what kind of planet we are ready to pass on to Yoko Ono
@@Zholobov1 I assume it would be considered North Hell since she is the Bride of Lucifer.
Olivia Harrison recently said: “Back in 1995, after several days in the studio working on the track, George felt the technical issues with the demo were insurmountable and concluded that it was not possible to finish the track to a high enough standard. If he were here today, [son] Dhani and I know he would have wholeheartedly joined Paul and Ringo in completing the recording of Now and Then.”
I think most of us have heard the song enough times through fan mixes, as well as the original demo to know if they have tinkered with the vocals beyond track separation, eq and general restoration. One thing I am curious to hear is how the new technology will work as far as making John’s vocal sound more like it was recorded with a proper mic. I know ai can work miracles with frequency restoration, and there is definitely an inherent issue with missing frequencies on a vocal recorded with a 1970s cassette recorder’s condenser microphone. I’m genuinely curious from a technical standpoint about this… and I was really looking forward to hearing remixes of “Free As A Bird” and “Real Love” for this reason. I’m really disappointed that they didn’t do this.
Yeah and even though John’s cassette recorder was one of the very best available at the time, he didn’t plug in a mic, but rather used the built in condenser mic he had on the machine!
Great point lowenbad! ❤❤❤
Sean Lennon, Paul and Ringo have ALL said Machine Assisted Learning software was only used to isolate john's voice from his cassette demo, so the song could be mixed without the background noise and without his piano which wanders all over the place while he sings. This is exactly how MAL was used to remix revolver. MAL doesn't generate sound, it just isolates individual sounds from a 1-track recording. There's no generative AI used on this track! People need to know. Sidenote: None of John's demo piano is on the finished song. Paul learned John's parts and played studio piano on the track (Just like they would have done in the 60s when Paul played 90% of the piano parts on Beatles songs, and John only played a few).
Yes they did, but only after initial statements made by them and Penn of Penn and Teller, indicating otherwise! Either way, se
LL know in 2 day’s time Jeffrey! ❤❤❤
Ah Paul's just 81 and said AI, which technically MAL is a form of AI, but it's not generative AI, it's very different than these AI things people post on UA-cam. Ringo always confused remaster for remix, don't take his word for anything technical, and Sean Lennon ever wavered and was always clear in his descriptions. Penn? Eh, he thinks horns are on N&T, obviously his memory of the Giles conversation is not all clear.@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine
@@jeffreyroedel9804Geat point Jeffrey! ❤❤❤
I'm very optimistic about Now and Then, think it will be amazing! Over the years I've often listened to John's demo and to me it's very poignant and heartfelt, have always regarded it as an unpolished gem and kept hoping that Paul would be a man of his words and get it finished properly as he has often promised over the years. Well, my wish is coming true so yep, definitely excited about this!
I would agree that Paul with this demo could very well turn the song into a classic! But will he? Hmmm… Like I’ve said before, hope springs eternal Fritha!😮
Regardless of what people say it's kind of neat to have all four together again.
Yes it is micolsen!
And that’s exactly why we are still talking Beatles in 2023! ❤❤❤
I don’t have any issue with legacy artists using AI to help their voice. It’s still Paul’s voice. I do have a problem with new artists using Autotune.
Theres nothing i can add but well spoken. Well done Michael. Keep rockin' brother.❤❤
Thanx so much Jeffrey! Where there’s a will, there’s a way brother! ❤❤❤
The song will have Paul’s 1995 voice and 2023 voice. The younger Paul (95) is not AI
Oh I hope you’re right BT! ❤❤❤
To paraphrase Paul when he talked about the White Album, "It's great, it sold, it's the bloody Beatles' "Now And Then", shut up!"
Please stop complaining about us having one final new Beatles single, and extended RED & BLUE albums. I've just watched a video by Miles Showell (Mastering Engineer for this release) who says it is a really lovely song; The Stones have issued a very good album, but how many of the original 5 band members are on it ? I am also looking forward to hearing the RED album', as true remixed stereo . TREBOR
We weren’t complaint, just anticipating Robert! ❤❤❤
So old Paul + digitally rescued John is good, but digitally rescued Paul & John is not? Michael, I love ya man, but you're wrong on the de-aging. I'll tell you why:
1) The Beatles (especially John) would do anything to make their voices sound good. They were ALWAYS toying with the sound of their voice.
2) The process of de-aging isn't as artificial as you might think. Paul is singing the song and the frequencies missing from his sound are replaced with his pre-injury voice. It's not a simulation, as much as it's literally his tone from him. It's essentially a "Paul effect", no different than John or Paul putting his voice through an amp to make a new tone. Lady Madonna isn't Paul's natural voice either. John's voice isn't "pure" on "Tomorrow Never Knows" and thank God for that
3) The Beatles had no rules in the studio, outside of "It has to sound good". Paul is a legend in 2023 and his mind is still sharp, but his voice is damaged. Why does he have to leave it that way on a record if he doesn't want to? We both know John would absolutely be all over AI making his own voice younger. Paul is probably depressed about his voice and doesn't enjoy hearing it, so why are we forcing him to leave it as it is? It's not just his age, he sounds like he's damaged them.
The problem I have with the song is "Eleanor Rigby" and "Here there & Everywhere" being recycled. Mainly because I've heard them before and I want to hear new stuff made just for this song.
I agree with you regarding The Beatles and especially John would mess around with their voices and other aspect as well MrKeychange!
But John and George are not here to make those decisions.
Besides, I still think an older Paul and younger Lennon makes more since, especially when you consider the title,
Either way, great points here brother! ❤❤❤
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine As far as it making more sense, your point is totally valid. I think a lot of us (me included) want Paul to be Johnny Cash, but given his collaboration choices and use of de-aging, he's obviously not seeing himself that way. I get it. I'll probably fight my age to the last breath too
I figure if we'll all enjoy it more and he personally prefers it, there's no harm.
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine Regarding, John and George not being here, that's also a valid point. With that in mind, George said in an interview that he'd hope one day when he's gone "someone will turn his shitty demos into hit songs." haha He was joking, but also not. He had no problem doing it without John
John hand picked Paul as his partner and nobody knew him better musically. What I consider is how John died and the fact that perhaps Paul almost has a duty to finish John's last songs. In the 60s, John would always lend snippets to Paul's music and when he died, all these ideas were destined to die with him. Those demos and the hours of material Jack Douglas has are ideas John wanted people to hear. I think Paul and Yoko should do whatever they can find. Not as the Beatles, but as John & Paul.
Hi Michael! Great excerpts from a really fun edition of Royce in the House. Glad I was able to jump in for a bit. It was good to see everyone and I encourage folks to check out the full livestream. You guys did an excellent job covering this song and the future implications of AI. I think there’s so much more to dive into in regards to AI and legacy artists moving forward. Hopefully on a future show. For now, this will be a huge week in Beatle history. Can’t wait to review Wednesday’s documentary. It should be very telling.
Oh I so agree with you Bruce regarding folks really taking the time for the whole stream!
IMHO it was one of Royce’s very best streams ever!
BTW: Your Frankenstein comment first perfectly with my Halloween theme! Thanx for that brother! ❤❤❤
My pleasure! 😂
George recorded a harmony vocal in '95, and tracked acoustic and electric guitar parts. Giles also said that Paul insisted the strings they recorded for Now and Then responded to and took into account how George was playing rhythm guitar. So George's guitar influenced the strings! He'll be very big influence on the finished song, more of an influence than on several Beatles classics. Several Pepper and White Album songs where George didn't play anything or just played one guitar part.
I wonder why they have only mentioned him on 2 guitars tracks Jeffrey! That would be awesome if they have his voice from the 90s though! ❤❤❤
So, youd rather have pauls current voice ruining the youthful sound that is the beatles, that id assume theyre going for? The voice gets old. No fault of paul, but he sounds like a shaky old womaan. Your saying you wknt have anything to do with it if paul sounds younger or...less gruff, more crystaline? Cmon now. In this clip, youve jumped to waaaay too manny conclusions.these guys have all the resource in the music world to make this sound good. As were also talking about the stuff from 93/94, that stuff can be brought out much better. And im.willing to be you cant hear pitch correction on somebody who can actually sing, autotune is more of the case where you can clearly hear it jumping, when somebody cant sing a note to save their life. I think your writing this off too soon, but your gunna be making mlney from videos when it comes out and you praise it to high heavens.
I totally agree with you. It seems like the arguments are arbitrary. Paul's voice is damaged (not just old) and I don't understand this need to force him to leave it that way on a Beatles record. Everyone seems fine with him using it on his own albums. He's super vain and it's probably making him nuts.
John hated his voice and would have been all over this tech if it existed. It's just an effect like any other, only it's innovative.
Great points N, but the less real the track is for me, the harder to get behind it! Besides, as I’ve said many times I still hold out hope for the single! ❤❤❤
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine If this was a band that didn't spend their heyday with a 24-hour staff of engineers working on their music, I'd agree with you They were experimental, so it's just the Beatles being weird again.
I miss John. Whatever brings a part of that man back into my ears, I'm game for. As long as it's not totally AI.
Just for fun.... I'm curious what you guys think if this track. It's 100% authentically all four Beatles. (explanation below):
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This is what you're hearing:
Paul's Bass from 1995
George's Acoustic Guitar from 1995
Ringo's drums from another song
George's slide from another song
John's Piano from the Demos w/
Paul's piano from 1995.
A full orchestra performance scored by George Martin
New harmonies with John & Paul from the 80s backing the bridges.
Paul & George backing vocals from 1995 taken from a Jeff Lynne documentary. (So I watched them sing without him), and John added to them.
It's Frankenbeatles! 😜🤘
And one hell of an Halloween treat MrKeychange! Wonderful! But where is Pete Best from 1959! Just kidding! Great video! ❤❤❤
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine haha.Hopefully it wasn't too scary . :) I gave myself some rules (I didn't play on it, Beatles only, no AI singing etc) and just put the pieces together.
It took a solid two months to do that, for basically no reason beyond I wanted to hear it. lol
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine Also, thank you 😜✌️🎸
Paul’s voice may still sound younger because he may have added vocals at times back in 1995 or since then.
This is an excellent point we should have brought up.
I had wondered about that Taylor! Great pint! ❤❤❤
@@BruceColon-BSidesI agree Bruce! ❤❤❤
Did you have a problem with 'When I'm 64'? 'Rain'? 'Strawberry Fields'? All speed altered. For 'When I'm 64', it was specifically meant for Paul to sound "younger", just like in 'Now & Then'...
Not at all! But on a song called now and then, I think they would miss an artistic moment, that’s all Leesanna! But a great point here of course! ❤❤❤
I am going to wait and listen to it before forming an opinion.
There you go Cardinal! It really does get down to that, doesn’t it? ❤❤❤
The Beatles and in particular John Lennon always manipulated their vocals. John didn't like his voice. I believe you are talking nonsense...it's a Beatles single, let's enjoy it. AI has taken out Johns Piano so just his voice is heard and that's the benefit of the new technology that has allowed this song to now be released.
Again, I just think that a song called Now and Then, the artistic thing to do would be to have John on the ‘THEN” portions of the song. And Paul on the ‘NOW’ portions Geoffrey.
Don’t forget that the Beatles would change things including vocals for ‘artistic purposes!
But spot on regarding your comment brother! ❤❤❤
I don't remember in '67 people complaining that Paul's voice on When I'm 64 was made to sound younger by using the tech. of the time or that the invention of ADT tech. was shocking because normal double tracking should be the standard forever!
You’re right nobody did! But with the title Now and Then, wouldn’t;t it be more artistic to use Pauls aging voice for the very same reasons they tried to youthen up his voice on When I’m 64?
Just saying, but point well taken Granite! ❤❤❤
Personally I don't have high expectations when it comes to the reworked demo of Now and Then. It's a decent ballad but there is a reason why Lennon decided not releasing a proper version of it. IMHO they should have released it on Anthology 3 with a few overdubs to make it more listenable and Beatlesque but sadly George vetoed it. However, 'm still looking forward listening to the new version.
John would have finished it. The poor guy didn't abandon it, he never had a chance.
Now that I agree with MIB! Anthology was the place to put Now and Then! Spot on brother! ❤❤❤
And there was the fact that he had written on the demo “For Paul” MIB! Good call! ❤❤❤
Great discussion guys! The part that intrigues me most is your thoughts on Paul’s voice on the track. Bruce brings up a cool point about it being truly “Now and Then” with youthful (late 30s) John and older Paul. I’m not sure how I feel about that yet. I guess once it comes out Thursday, we will know for sure and can give 👍 or 👎 on how Paul’s vocal is handled. Great video! Cheers 🍻 😊Matt
Matt, thanks for sharing your thoughts on this! Really looking forward to your insightful take on it once it drops. You always approach these things with such enthusiasm and an open mind.
Yeah Bruce nailed it on that point Mathew!
BTW: Loved your Halloween video! McGillicuddy indeed!❤❤❤❤
@@BruceColon-BSidesI agree Bruce! Mathew is a card and a half, but always insightful at every turn! ❤❤❤
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLineHis new video is hilarious and clever (like a parody of content creators) 😂😂😂
HELLO AGAIN,WELL I HAVE ANOTHER BONE TO PICK,WHEN THE US LPS CAME OUT I,I THINK JAN,2014,I DID NOT BUY THEM AT FIRST I HAVE THE CAPITAL BOX SET ,PART1&2 THE FIRST EDITIONS HAD FLIP PLASTIC COVER,WITH LABELBAND ON THE LEFT,THESE SHOULD NOT BE CHANGED,WHY THEY DO THIS i DONT KNOW, ICOULD BE WRONG ON THIS,THE LATEST ONES HAVE JUST THE ST MIX ONLY,THIS IS A MISTAKE,i HAVE TO WRITE THEM ABOUT THIS,IT SHOULD BE KEPT LIKE THE 2014 EDITIONS,THEY HAVE PLEANTY OF CARDBOARD,MY BIG COMPLAINT IS THE BEATLES65 CD,THE BRITISH MIX OF I FEEL FINE,SHES A WOMAN M&S,IS NOT ONE ANY OF THE 3 US RELEASES,SINGLE CD,WITH M&SCAPITAL BOX SET ,PART 1,OR THE US BOX SET,THAT SO CALLED MIX,I NEVER LIKED,WHEN i FIRST BOUGHT IT,I RECALL THANKSGIVEING WEEK IN 64,ON A SUNDAY,I WENT RIGHT HOME TO PLAY IT,THEY ADDED TAPE AMBEINCE,I THINK,I HAS VOCALS THAT SOUND DISTORTED,IN THE STEREO MIX,THEY ADDED REVERB,SAME WITH SHES A WOMAN ANOTHER FLAW,THE UA,HARD DAYS NIGHT,WAS NOT USED FOR EITHER OF THE TWO EDITIONS,THE US BOX SET OR THE SINGLE VERSION ,,THE MONO MIX FOR THE UA WAS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE BRITISH MIX,THE STEREO MIX AS I RECALL,PANNED THE VOCALS OF TELL ME WHY,IN AND OUT,THE ENTIRE LP FOR THE STEREO LP,SHOULD HAVE BEEN MIXED LIKE THIS,WITH THE GUITAR SOLOS FOR CANT BE LOVE,AND I LOVE HER,IF I FELL,HARD DAYS NIGHT,JUST THINK HOW THIS WOULD SOUND,WELL ITS MY OPINION ONLY,,,,,ONE MORE THING,THE NEW HARD DAYS NIGHT DVD,THE ORIGINAL MIXES WERE DIFFERENT,,THE TEMPOS WERE TO FAST FOR THE FILM SEGMENTS,SO THE SLOWED THE SONG TRACK BY SAY 1/4TH,SO ITS A 3/4TH SLOWED DOWN SPEED,,,GILES MARTIN DID THIS TO THE ORIGINAL SPEED,AND IT SEEMS OUT OF PLACE,SO i PREFER THE PREVIOUS EDITION,FROM MIRAMAX,I HAVE SAID A LOT,MY NEXT EMAIL,WILL BE ABOUT THE BOX SET OF THE US LPS,WHICH COULD BE A BIG SELLER,IF DONE RIGHT,THANKS,DAN DIORIO,,
Let's go all the way and re-release all of John's solo stuff and have Paul dub vocals on. I would love to hear them sing a duet of Nobody Told Me.
That’s the spirit Kitchener! 😉👌❤
you'll stil need George's input to make it a Beatles song though.
@@Stefandejager01It doesn't have to be a Beatles song. They probably would have done an album with just the two of them at some point.
@@MrKeychange They probably would have checked in with one another like Page and Plant, but maybe some one-off reunion shows... or maybe a VH1 Unplugged.
@@TheKitchenerLeslie I absolutely agree
Not manipulated like today and A I
Probably should at least wait until you hear the song, before cutting it down...lol. Maybe we are under estimating The Beatles talent...lol...wonder how many #1 hits Mr. Expert has...lol !
I wasn’t;t cutting the song down Ralph, we were discussing what to expect for the upcoming single! I hope it ROCKS brother! ❤❤❤
Surely it’s more important to have johns voice clear and build the song like they used to ie the Beatles
Tribal Chief, let’s hear it first before condemning it. It may be horrible, It may be ok, it may be surprisingly very good. Let’s see.
Oh I still hold out hope for the track EP! Like I said, Paul’s arraignment may very well be the salvation for the trick! ❤❤❤
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine I agree. I have reservations on it too. But I’m really curious to hear all the 2023 remixes on the early Beatle songs.
HELLO AGAIN,i HAVE A LOT OF COMMENT IN ME,THE RUBBER SOUL REMIXED EDITION,i BET IS ALREDDY BEING DONE,IF NOT AS OF THIS LETTER,IT WOULD A GREAT ADDITION TO THE RED& BLUE SETS,i AM SURE IT COULD HAVE BE OUT AT THE SAME TIME,ITS FUNNY ABOUT THIS CD& LP THAT NO ONE SEEMS TO COMMENT ON,WHEN THE US ALBUM CAME OUT,THE TITTLE WAS IN DARK BROWN,IT WAS A SHADE OF RED/BROWN THE EXACT COLOR I NEVER LOOKED UP,IN 1987 WHEN THE CD CAME OUT CAPITAL STILL USED THE ORIGINAL LP COVER COLOR,THE LP WAS ISSIUED WITH THE BRITISH 14 TK ,BUT WITH THE RED/BROWN TITTLE COVER,GO FIGURE THAT ONE,THE 2013 EDITION HAD THE RED/BROWN,WITH THE 14TK BRITISH MIXES,THE CAPITOL STILL HAD THE BROWN COLOR TITTLE,WHICH i GUESS WILL STAY,,I PLAN TO TO WRITE CAPITOL ABOUT THE RED& BLUE EDITIONS,I WONDER IF ANY WILL WRITE ABOUT THIS,MAYBE NO ONE CARES,SAD IF THATS THE CASE,,DAN DIORIO
I agree with you here Danin! I think they were working on Rubber Soul, when the single waylaid the project! I’ll bet the Rubber Soul tracks were from those initial sessions! ❤❤❤
The Now and Then demo that we all know is not the one that Yoko gave Paul. John did not record it once, which is what we all think
Where have you heard this BT? If so, that would be really good news! ❤❤❤
hello michael,,thanks for your reply,as I said I have a new laptop,with a camera built in and I WOUld like to have a live chat session ,all night if nessacery,I am sure everyone has a few bones to pick,just to change the subject for a bit,the white album was a bit of a ripoff too,the binding was so thin,capital was always cheap with cardboard,it split right after I bought it,it was based on the original 2lp set,I still have mine,it was thick,even for a 2lp set,the 3cd set is too heavy for the binding,go figure that out,it should have been in a slipcase,which would cost nothing,,another flaw is the sgt pepper,when it came out in june 4 2017,and i listen to the bonus disc,,no extra tracks of,WITH A LITTLE HELP,JUST A BACKING TRACK,THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A REHERSAL TAke,and ANOTHER COMPLETE VERSION,WITH DIALOG AT THE START,AND MAYBE THE LP TAKE,WITH A CHAT INTRO AT THE START& END,THIS WOULD HAVE REALLY MADE THIS SET GREAT,EVEN THE EXPANDED BOX SET DID NOT INCLUDE THIS,THE ,1s remix was not right ,some were not really REMIXED,AND JUST MADE LOUDER,PENNEY LANE,BALLAD OF,FROM ME TO YOU SHOULD HAVE HAD A STEREO MIX,BY MOVEING THE VOCAL IN THE CENTER,AND THE HARMONICA TRACK PUT IN THE CENTER,SINCE ITS ON A SEPERATE TAPE, FOR THE ORIGINAL SESSION TAPE,THE NEW MIX OF PENNEY LANE WAS INCLUDED ON 1,s,,which was a error,it should have been the promo mix which was a different mix for the vocal& backing instrumental track than the 45 mix,,I WILL SAY MORE IN THE NEXT TEXT,DAN DIORIO,,
Yeah the whole mess is a bit convoluted Danin! So many expectations for this release to fulfill! ❤❤❤
The original Sony Cassette Tape Deck. That Lennon used to record this last song on. Was a State of the Art recorder for it's Time! The condenser microphones were phenomenal! They would actually adjust to the volume of whatever was being recorded! My Band like most, was very loud. But the rehearsal Jams were never distorted! The recordings would come out Crystal clear! Playing the tapes back in the car sounded great! Amazing condenser microphone, Sony always the Best! I had that from 1977 until the mid 80's. Then It was stolen at a rehearsal studio! Or I would still have that Sony Cassette Tape Deck Today!
All true Kevin! But John refused to plug in a really good mic, just using the built in condensers on the machine! So sad! ❤❤❤
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLineI'm able to do the same sort of thing Peter Jackson did on John's demos and you'd be shocked how good the vocals sound when the instruments and tape noise are removed with new methods.
John sang these demos multiple times. The trick to elevating the sound to near-studio quality is isolating his vocals off multiple versions and comping/ double tracking them. Basically, do what John always did in the studio and they sound like they always did.
I can link you to a version of "Free As A Bird" I messed around with if you'd like to hear it for yourself. It's a version I did just for me because Jeff Lynne's fanboying all over the original has always irritated me. My version has only the Beatles on it, proper John & Paul harmonies etc.
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine Thank's Mike, "Great Channel" Ya, like must of us he was lazy! He was inspired at the moment! He wasn't going to stop & look for cables & stands to hook up 🎤 He knew those condenser mics we're good enough for playback. He wasn't thinking about any future recording's.
Happy 🎃 Halloween
All my best to you & your family Michael. May all be well.
Thank you kindly Rodney, and of course best wishes to you and yours brother! Our health is always taken for granted! ❤❤❤
I always thought it was blasphemous that the solo from Taxman was flown in to Tomorrow Never Knows. Keep the songs straight and don’t mix them together.
Yeah, you’re talking about the LOVE album again Darren! Thanx! ❤❤❤
I heard some of Johns demo, ill be amazed if they can pull this off. Very moody.☮️ Somebody call Giles!
He’s been notified Adam! Giles to the rescue! ❤❤❤
@@triplejazzmusicisall1883Amen Tripplejazz! ❤❤❤
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine lol😻
Without John's permission, of course anything goes now in the bland bland bland bland World
Agreed northernengland! ❤❤❤
Good job
Thanks Dan! I sure appreciate it! I’ll pass your compliment to the guys! ❤❤❤
I agree with you completely on this Michael!! The Lennon piano demo is not very good as is Irs dirge like so it will be interesting what they’ve done with it
Right Dave?!? I mean honestly! 😉👌❤
I just hope they don't mess with Paul's voice to make him sound younger. That just seems real fake if they do that
Amen Riz! Spot on! ❤❤❤
Who the hell are these guys?
Wouldja believe 4 lads from Liverpool? How about 4 old music fans? ❤❤❤😂😂😂
People like complaining about everything.
Not complaining tjr, just anticipating! ❤👌😉
Seems to me your putting a downer on this before you've heard it !
Why do all this speculation and commenting on things you don’t know? You haven’t heard it. None of us have. You’re making arguments for things you don’t even know to be 100% true. Just relax. Wait for a minute, LISTEN to the actual song when it comes out, instead of citing “reports” and then make your video.
Secondly, The Beatles have and will always be about pushing the envelope, pushing boundaries to the max, embracing technology. Do you like Strawberry Fields? There is so much vocal and editing trickery in just that one song and yet it’s universally adored as one of their best.
I guess my point it is, The Beatles are doing what they always have. And I’m willing to bet in the next year or two, countless major acts will follow there lead yet again.
I only commented on what was said by Paul Ringo, & Penn of Penn & Teller since he was privy to a personal advanced listening! And it was just a discussion in anticipation, that’s all cbee!
I have studied the Beatles as a musician and fan, and you are right they have always pushed the boundaries, but with John and George no longer to give a current say in matters, I think Paul % Ringo need to be careful with what they do with this single, that’s all!
But thanks for your comments! All well thought out, in antithesis of my points, and I love them!❤❤❤
Besides, talking about upcoming Beatle projects started when I was about 9 years old, so…😉
Dont expect much and you won't be disappointed. Just milking the name 1 more time.
Why do I fear you are right John? Great point brother! ❤❤❤
I've been a Beatles freak for most of my 61 years, but this song doesn't sound like a good one. I've heard Lennon demos (as a Beatle and solo artist) that started out crummy and turned into phenomenal songs. For example, "Real Love," which I LOVE, began as a completely different song. But it takes time. This sounds like a mediocre demo that Lennon never had the chance to really work on. I don't like it, and his voice doesn't sound good at all. I wish, instead, they'd put their AI efforts toward "Real Love" to clean THAT up, and "Free as a Bird," too. I don't care if they AI Paul's voice (although I agree with the "Now and Then" comment about using an older Paul and a younger John), because the song just isn't good, period. I think Harrison wasn't interested in this song because he didn't think it was good. But, as we all know, this has nothing to do with quality or history; it's all about money. It's always all about money.
Looks like all your predictions where wrong. Such negativity
The song sucks big time, the saddest most depressing dirge in the history of pop music.
That’s exactly what needs to be beaten out of the original recording Tony! A good orchestra sprinkled with Beatle magic perhaps? 😉❤❤
It's not a good song, unfortunately.
Just listened to it. Not happy tbh. Paul sounded awful
No matter how much you disect and over analyze it and despite all of the hype, it's just not a good fucking song...Plain and simple.
LOL!