Chest-to-Bar Pull-Ups: Common Faults
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- Опубліковано 2 гру 2016
- "Make contact; don't break your sternum," jokes Matt Chan at the CrossFit Competitor’s Course, during a talk about common faults in the chest-to-bar pull-up in both the gymnastic and butterfly kips. For more info and upcoming dates for the CrossFit Competitor's Course, click here: training.crossfit.com/competitor
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I started doing this at a commercial gym but I created unnecessary attention and someone said I look like a dolphin jumping out of water
Withapassion he was right
Fish up
"Generally someone who lacks strength...............someone who has to pull to the bar"
Yeah cause kicking my legs up taking my back muscles out of the exercise while swinging like a fish out of water displays true strength!
His point doesn't make sense to be honest ...
It's like saying " Generally someone who is gonna use minor kip and pull mainly using his strength is lacking strength" .. Yeah sure the guy lacks strength so he is using a more strength demanding variation..
More like lacking proper CF mechanics or technique..
It makes perfect sense, if you slam your chest into the bar like the guy did, it means you had to kip just to get TO the bar, and you didn't go PAST the bar and brush your chest on the way down. You two just don't listen or pay attention apparently.
So a guy that does 10 STRICT pull-ups in proper form, regardless being into bodybuilding/calisthenics SHOWS to have less STRENGTH than a dude doing 10 kipping pull-ups (C2B)? This "coach" should learn HOW to properly use sport-specific terminology.
That's Matt Chan and in his prime he was one of the world's fittest men. Guarantee he can do upwards of 25 to 30 strict pull-ups. It takes the same amount of work to get your chest to the bar using a kip as it does strict, the only difference is when it is done strict you are just localizing the workload to a smaller muscle group, therefore you won't be able to get as much done in a given amount of time doing something strict compared to the most efficient butterfly kip option. Therefore, a kip allows for more work to get done, and more work capacity means a greater fitness level. In the sport of CrossFit when the only requirement is to get your chest to touch the bar for 30-40 reps (often times more) in a wod, you're going to do it in the most efficient way possible. That means using your more powerful muscle groups like your hips and lats as a gymnast would. Its the sport. The goal is a fitness that is broad general and inclusive, not the same goals of bodybuilders.
It does make sense. If you want to do kipping or butterfly pull ups, master the strict variant first.
As someone who does calisthenics, this killed me 😂
Same... Thats no fucking pull up.... A pull up for me its: You dead hang on the bar, you pull up without any fucking kip until the bar is touching my upper peck.
@@Somtric Hard on my rotator cuff... Trash form.. Not a pull up. Can't change my mind. He doesn't pull up anything, he floplike a fish.
@@DontBeClueless514 I bet he is better at any calisthenics movement than you. There is a difference between the kipping pull up/c2b and the normal pull up. C2B is not thrash form... Thats how a C2B is to be made. But a pull up? thats certi from the dead hang. But remember bro... Two different exercises
@@lucascollatz5289 its garbage. so is he.
@@DontBeClueless514 Wow what a god arguement.
Call them “swing ups” not “pull ups”. He literally confirms it himself @ 1:53.
Matt chan sounds like Ryan Reynolds.
Matt chan sounds like 4chan
Matt Chan's coaching is so good. I'd love to do a seminar with him.
Someone who lacks strength has to pull himself to a bar? What????? I thought kipping was invented for such guy.
When he says "lacks strength" at ~2:05, this issue is the same as mine when watching Spencer (how his back breaks and is trying to pull up to the bar) but I am not sure which strength component is missing and how can I isolate it to improve it?
It's not a lack of strength it's your body engaging your lats(pulling muscle) so assist you for safety reason. If anything it's because you have to much strength and lack of what ever technique it takes to do a killing pullup
The only part of this I can do is at the end where they clap their hands and stomp their feet.
I lost it there
un saludo!
My joints died watching this! 💀
i think i saw school kids doing this on the monkey bars
Ah I see yes I also have the autism
it's very hard for me to do this. and yes. maybe I'm lack of strength.
nope, me too. i can do weighted pull up, but not this. it seems like i'm lack of technique
Don't attempt to learn how to kip until you can do at least 10 strict.
what the swinging dolphin fuck
I really try to see something practical in kipping but just can't. Sorry I tried.
Who even thought this is okay ?
Dude I was looking for a strict chest to bar muscle up what the shit is this
what is it??
lol Spencer Hendel looks perpetually unimpressed
Problemas de coluna em breve, anota aí!!!!!!
what's the stomping and clapping all about?
bota legenda em português!
Nice form there buddy 👍
when you see dive-in pushups, do you protest "no, these are not true push-ups"
yes they're not strict pushups.
yes they're easier.
nobody will deny it.
they're just a different exercise.
when you see push jerk, do you go "nah, this is not a correct push press".
you'd be correct again, of course.
it's not.
and yes, push jerk is easier.
but again - it's a different exercise.
it's quite similar.
the main goal is the same.
but it's a different variant.
Agreed. Beginners are usually recommended to do lighter variant of the exercise first before doing the commonly known variant of the exercise itself in its correct form. The lighter variants are, of course, result in less gains but hey, everyone's gotta start somewhere.
@@trbd Just gonna rip my rotator cuff real quick
Push jerk is definitely a type of push press. Now pull UP, is not a swing, either call it a fish up or just Kipping up
@@budderman3rda push jerk is NOT a push press. A better comparison would be strict press to push press. They are both presses, one is strict while the other is lower-body assisted. Strict pull-ups and kipping pull-ups are analogous. Both are pull-ups. One is strict while the other is lower-body assisted.
Awesome.
When doing butterfly chest-to-bar pull-ups, yes you arch as your chest touches the bar down on the way down. However, when using a gymnastics-style kip, you should NOT be extending the spine when touching your chest to the bar. You should remain in the hollow and pull (“push the bar down”) lower on your chest or to your sternum. This actually allows for a greater range of motion and less strain on the shoulder.
Love Matt Chan, but he is wrong about that part.
No pulling yourself to the bar is showing strength, whatever the fuck he was doing didn’t do shit to isolate the muscle, which requires them to actually work...
What the fuck
XDDDD
Que ridículo hacer una dominada con tanto balanceo.
butteerfly kipping pull up is not easy as they look. i'm capable to do 10 strict pull up, but not even this, anybody have a tips? thanks
zero, Zero, ZEROOOOO! No pull ups were done in this session.
Fish out of water
0:40
What the fuck is this!! Someone who has to pull means that he lacks strength!
Its bar swinging or whatever and not pull up. Rename the excercise. If I throw a carp out of water and it starts jumping around its not doing push ups, its jumping around.
No kipping please, do the right form -> CALISTHENIC 💪
I don't know wtf those are but they were not pullups lmao
The whole method of doing a Kipping pull-up is due to someone lacking strength and control! definitely a silly an interesting-looking momentum trick, but not a real pull up.
it's for speed.......do you actually think these guys have no strength?
Chris Finkbohner No they definitely have strength, enough to pull off that move, but there's a big difference between exerting the momentum to complete a pull-up and pulling yourself up from a static hold. I only find myself performing a Kipping pull-up when I really want to finish my set and I can't quite find the strength to get my chin over the bar, but everytime I do I feel like I cheated to complete it. It's just not the same thing, and it doesn't have the same impact. I used to thing I could do close to 20 pull-ups in one set but when I started doing them the proper way I realized how wrong I was.
again it's for speed because most crossfit is timed. You are missing the point
Chris Finkbohner Well yeah I guess it works for the whole Crossfit thing of Hyper HIIT cardio with lots of compound movements, and that's great, I ain't hatin, all the Crossfit guys will probably fair really well in a zombie outbreak lol. But you gotta admit that there's a difference between performing the standard calisthenic movement and the CrossFit version.
There is definitely a difference, but one is not superior to the other. They are each beneficial in their own right. However, I do think that someone should be able to do strict pull-ups before moving to kipping or butterfly.
Is this a bit?
Haha😂
That is NOT the correct way to do pull ups!!!!!!!!!, using so much momentum you are lying to yourself
Defined by what? The point of these kipping pull-ups is speed. It's not a calisthenic/bodybuilding type strict pull-up. Comparing them are like comparing a sprinters running style to a marathon runner's. They are very different, because they serve a very different purpose.
It is not the right way because you are not getting all the benefits from the exercise itself doing it that way, period. Of course your are gonna be faster basically because It is easier that way and ... we all know that no pain no gain. Peace out Nicklas Leander Jensen
It's crossfit! Dumbass! Do you even know what it is?
ahhhh all make sense now thanks Distar lmao
ok I'll explain the logic behind the kipping pull ups. In crossfit the goal is to do everything as fast as you can. To be able to do that you need to fatigue less, to fatigue less you need to do easier variation on an exercise. Therefore kipping pull ups are a great option.
Magikarp pull up
I’ve been doing CrossFit for almost 7 years and I hate the butterfly kipping… i refuse to learn it because personally I think it looks ridiculous, maybe it’s okay for competition, but I won’t do it,
Chest-to-Bar fish ups**
It is not a pullup, it is a fuckup
What a joke.
What in the hell is this!?
ZEROooooooooooooo ZERO
It is not a pullup
are they learning how to swing cuz that ain't a damn pull up
Comments by people who don't do CrossFit, and don't understand the difference/point between Strict Pull-ups and Kipping variations, it's like complaining about basketball players cheating by using their hands, instead of doing it the "right" soccer way, using legs only.
Seriously awesome response. I will be using this henceforth.
I would say that the $300k cash prize at the CrossFit Games makes this movement meaningful. Train the way you want. I personally think crossfit competition is fun, just like anything else.
Ahhh i see you dont understand basketball and soccer too
Jew
bad argument and analogy get ⛽'d now you filthy juice
Not a pull up in anyway shape or form.
Can't you just do exactly the same thing without the stupid kipping as they call it?
kipping ctb is stupid
Crossfit trying to teach how to do pull ups. Shameless
Dont call it ctb pull up...if youre happy with this bullshit continue. Only reason is shorter time.
crossfit sucks
Shitty crossfit pull up
Dumb people only apreciating the gains in muscles/strenght and forgeting the gains on coordination, potency and other skills xd
Um wtf that's not a pullup. Crossfit is lame, such a ego show.
I get offended watching this garbage
Stupid crossfit, I hate it, calisthenics is best