My daughter, 13 attending a Comprehensive, and her friends are eager and desperate to learn about politics ( obviously from families with a strong political awareness) .They are at the moment petitioning to be taught Political Sciences in school. This is an excellent school trying it's best to pack as much extracurricular knowledge in it's lessons as possible. As a German who had Political Sciences from age 11 I pull my hair out looking at the neglect of political education in this country. Nothing complicated- basics: how to vote, how to understand and take part in local politics, different political systems etc. I deliver short workshops for adults- again just basics. People are receptive. They enjoy learning to take part , be able to finally figure out how to simply register to vote/find party manifestos/ explore local options to have their say and ultimately take a little bit of control. No judgement, no talking down and political neutrality (hard for me but important). This is desperately needed in this country. To finish this ridiculously long epistel, I will never forget my first "Politik" lesson. Our teacher came in and asked two questions: A. What does the word democracy mean, literally? B. What are the most important premises for a democracy to work ? That is surely the bare minimum. Why is it not accessible and properly taught? Sorry *off the soapbox* . Had to vent, better than throwing things at the TV.
I attended a comprehensive school and we were taught “citizenship’ which provided us with all this information! It’s extremely sad that that’s not being taught in schools today. Good on her, and her friends, for taking the initiative and petitioning - it’ll stand her in good stead in the real world, but a 13 year old should not have to do that!
@@nickbarton3191 I left school in 2013. If my memory serves me correctly, citizenship was introduced (for my school at least) in 2009 or 2010. We were encouraged to actively research and get involved, but that could also be down to some of my teachers and my family are very interested in politics too!
@@dm1494 @Nick Barton This is interesting. There now seems to be no consensus in which subject politics belongs,( PSHE?, History? or Geography? ) but also insistence that lessons in Citizenship/Politics do not belong on the curriculum. This utterly baffles me. A lot of my "students" are also seeing political discourse as "too complicated", "not for them", "impossible to figure out" and are left with deep reluctance to take part in it for fear of doing something wrong. A little bit like people when it comes to STEM. Something for "clever" people. And of course the usual belief that "all parties are the same" and "my vote doesn't matter" ( which admittedly is true in a FPTP system). Don't get me wrong the same opinions are there in Germany and other European countries but it seems far more prevalent in Britain?
Thanks Guys! Had to turn off all media this week. When I heard the budget last Friday I didn't sleep; I was horrified, shocked, terrified... Literally couldn't believe other people weren't as freaked out as me - sometimes having a good understanding economics makes things worse!! What a relief to hear this intelligent discussion.
I felt like that at the beginning of Covid with Boris pushing out decisions which needed to be taken immediately for weeks. Hopefully it's not the same depth of a disaster but seems to be heading that way 😱
Rory, your fellow MPs from September 2019 Boris clear out. Every man and woman of, all PM material you all were. Dominic Grieve especially - I was shocked, and I am Labour, and was not in smug mode when that happened, I was totally frightened for the future of the UK, and here we are.
As someone with ADHD, I feel Rory really needs to stop calling people ADHD who are just arrogant narcissists. A lack of empathy is not associated with ADHD. Neither is unwillingness to listen to other points of view. They might not hear or get distracted, but that's not the same as refusing to listen! When you talk like that, you frame my disorder as a moral failing, and frame their moral failings as a disorder. So with all due respect, I would stick to politics and give psychiatry a miss.
Yeah the key to spotting the difference is their "attention deficit" concerns only things that threaten their world view or ego. They physically turn away, I bet.
@@jezlawrence720 well I think it's more a cultural thing within (but not limited to) politics, where being seen as decisive and unwavering in the face of criticism is mistaken for being competent or having conviction of one's beliefs. There is no sin quite so egregious in politics as the dreaded "U-turn" - even though being able to change course based on new information or unexpected consequences should be a cornerstone of pragmatism. As a result our political system increasingly attracts and promotes ideologues, narcissists and hypocrites. Kwarteng is an ideological narcissist, Starmer, while more of a weathervane, is a hypocrite, and Truss is apparently all 3, with a side helping of being as dim as a 1 watt bulb.
@sonicwingnut: I think Rory used the phrase “attention deficit” and did not mention “disorder” (I may be wrong). Having said that, you do make a good point and it’s worth bearing in mind when using this sort of language. I often use the phrase “a bit autistic”, meaning just fussy really. But I do know people with actual autism and of course, it’s a totally different thing. So, I do try to be a lot more careful with my language now. Edit: I was wrong. He did say "disorder".
@@patchso he did say "attention deficit disorder", I have it, so I noticed it and I am also disappointed to hear it used incorrectly in this way. Especially because the behaviours he was mentioning are not actually ADHD traits. There is so much misinformation out there, so it's especially disappointing that someone intelligent, well educated and respected uses this lazy and wrong stereotype.
I have a certain respect for Rory, but he bases lots of his core beliefs on myths - especially around theories of traditional, social conservativism - where his personal beliefs are contradictory and all over the place at times. However, he's a thoroughly trustworthy and decent chap. I do enjoy these conversations.
I remember seeing Alastair Campbell on Question Time. Tim Stanley (who writes for the Telegraph) made the comment “Well, things can only get better” as a thinly veiled dig at New Labour. Campbell immediately pointed it out “This [the mess the government was in over cronyism, Chris Pincher, Partygate ] is all a joke to them.” He wasn’t wrong.
As I listen to this, I have just read that Labour's lead has doubled to 33%. I have a long political memory and I cannot remember such a collapse in the vote of either main party. This is the end for Truss and Kwarteng.
Absolutely love your podcast - it's keeping me sane. However, please can Rory reconsider using the analogy of someone with ADHD when describing Truss and Kwarteng? Not sure this is fair on people who have this condition or that these two people have the symptoms. More likely it's arrogance and ignorance.
I listen on Spotify but came here for the comments! Do you have an email address for comments? Anyway… THIS IS WHAT I WAS WAITING FOR! I was a bit disappointed by the regular episode - I expected a much more passionate review of wtf this “government” is doing. And here it is! You two are exceptional together. Informative, entertaining, and a great duo. Well done Alistair on the absolute outrage, but equally well done to Rory for pulling it back to a sensible discussion. Perfect. I’m horrified at what’s happening. And baffled. I don’t read the popular newspapers so am mind blown that you report that their coverage is so ridiculous. How do they sleep at night. Thank goodness for the internet and self publication! Thank goodness for you guys.
I’m sick of everything getting blamed on the situation in Ukraine. If Britain was engaged in fighting in Ukraine then I could understand it. But we’re not. It’s about time this government took some responsibility. This is their mess. Fucking own it.
@whateverdotcom God no, Rory isn't about virtue signaling bs. He'd be far more at home with the Lib Dems. Labour isn't the only flavour other than Tory. That said, Keir is a good leader, but I'd only ever lend my vote to Labour to get the Tories out, I'd never sign up for it and I'd rather have a Lib Dem majority... one can dream.
The problem with Kwasi Kwarteng is that he is so intelligent, and so used to being "the smartest guy in the room", that he cant see when he might be wrong. It's not only arrogance its a false sense of intellectual superiority created by his academic record. There is a huge difference between being "book smart" and being "life, street and emotionally smart". You need all of these to be a good politician. Book smarts alone doesn't cut it.
The Labour party, not just Keir Starmer, is finding its voice. Im increasingly impressed by Angela Rayner, Rachel Reeves, Jess Philips and the rest of Keir's top team. While I dont necessarily agree with everything they are proposing, nonetheless it seems coherent and workable. In contrast, the Tory party has been drifting rightward in order to placate the ERG. IMHO, the Tory party needs to ditch them in some way and will probably have to before the party seems electable again.
My youngest, 16-year old, son insisted I listen to this. I owe him a decent meal next time he is home, or I visit his school in Somerset. Generally, I don't enjoy Campbell, but Stewart appears to be a great foil for him, so the two of them end up will a coherent and incisive podcast. Of course Truss is today's British equivalent of a dystopian combination of Sarah Palin, Kim Campbell, and Julia Gillard. God help you all. 🇰🇪🥴👨🌾
Poeple listen to your podcast because it is an honest political debate, from two opposing political standpoints, that remains a CONVERSATION, with both parties and open to learning and uncovering truth, without the comfortable shackles of ideology. I believe the old political game is over and political reform, ie proportion representation etc. Will weed out a.lot of, would be career MPs ,leaving a Parliments of MPs who's individual and collect interests, are in service of the national interest, which will instill trust and hopefully aresponsibility in the public to be more politically and socially aware
25:34 A football analogy Alistair might appreciate. We, like the usa and EU countries are facing the game of our lives. Our serious weakness is that whereas the others are playing the game with a team and tactics they are familiar with, thanks to brexit we face the game with an untested and unfamiliar team and tactics. We were a massively successful EU economy for 50 years, but no more. Global britain is an untested experimental team and formation that so far looks unlikely to survive.
Alistair is wrong, the chancellor is clever but illustrates the dangers of being ideologically inclined. The problem really with what they did was that they have no mandate for the electorate. Which is more about the issue of electing PMs outside a general election.
Once it becomes endemic, Alastair, is the word you're looking for. When becomes endemic with small and medium business enterprises - SMEs - decide to pack up and end trading.
To clarify the terms you two were pointlessly arguing about: Intelligence is the ability to absorb, analyze and act upon information. It allows you to do things in the world. Education gives you an array of information and gives you the ability to do things. Wisdom is the ability to know what to do out of the things you could do. Wisdom depends upon understanding context. It will not only tell you what to do but also what not to do. If we could teach it as a skill or even detect it in its native form the human race would be a lot better off but we can't. The only test for it (this comes from the Science Fiction author John Brunner: I don't know where he stole it from) is to face someone with something that has never happened anywhere in the world before and see if they know the right thing to do. It's a test that the modern generation of politicians mostly fail. 'Clever' is just too broad a term though I think I know what Alistair was meaning by it.
The tories have really doomed themselves by electing Truss, she was easily the least popular candidate of the run-up by far, but they still picked her, knowing full well no one likes her and that she'd struggle in a general election. I think there may be some truth to the theory they've given up on that front and they're just in it for themselves now until they inevitably get voted out.
An excellent gloves off debate for once, getting down to the basics of how our political system is so inadequate for now and the future. ADHD explains so much of what's happening.
I’m drawn to the conclusion that the appearance of decisiveness and the appeasement of selected special interests is enough to get people to the very top in modern politics; this can result in a horrific dereliction of duty of care for vast numbers of people in society. the levels of harm caused by the likes of Truss and Kwateng are unforgivable, this is not mere economic tinkering, people’s lives are being destroyed while they smirk, showboat and waffle. And they are likely to simply walk away from the carnage into a very well remunerated future once they have been removed from office by their equally self-seeking colleagues. The Conservatives have shown themselves to be completely untrustworthy, selfish and contemptuous. These are not the one-nation Conservatives of earlier times, they are ruthless opportunists for whom actual competence is optional.
The BOE had to intervene to stop pension funds collapsing as a result of margin calls! WTF? Why is rising rates a problem for pension funds? Pension funds are the longest of long term investors and should benefit from the moves gilts! My question is rhetorical & disingenuous of course; the reason is because pension funds every where are up to their neck in debt. Not as the creditor but as the debtor! They've been borrowing to cover up for insufficient premium coverage for a decade now at least. Early this week in London proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the entire financial system is staring into the abyss. The reason people like Summers & Krugman are so angry with Kamikaze is that he's unwittingly exposed the charade; a charade the central bankers, TBTF banks and the quantum economists can only sustain if they don't break ranks.
All the press are heading to Oxted Leisure Centre as we speak now. I used to live in Caterham nearby-ish. Grasshopper nightclub Westerham anyone? On the A25? 😎
Must say, Alastair is getting a bit too rude with Rory ever since they started these "in person" shows. Stop telling him off Alastair, the mange tous question was very legitimate :-)
No doubt Labour might be thinking the unthinkable, rejoining the single market/customs union. At least 4% growth could be regained. It's very sad to see this country in such dire straits but we are able to say the neo-liberal experiment has failed and a new direction is needed. KS needs to capitalise pronto.
Oh no, please don't use "attention deficit disorder" in that incorrect way. The behaviours you described actually aren't often ADHD traits. In fact, overthinking, over analysing and being quite risk averse are common traits. Thanks.
Anyone please give me the name of the book they often refer to focusing on the themes of the three P’s…populism , Y, Z…?! I’ve caught references to it in passing & can never quite catch the author / title - please advise! Cheers.
As someone who knows a little bit about neuro divergence, she does present some basic failures to exhibit typical human behaviours (lack of empathy, erratic decision making etc). However, I wouldn't say that she was particularly consistent with a disgnosis of ADHD. Nor would I say she matches the criteria for someone with a spectrum disorder. I would suggest that she has some kind of behavioural/personality disorder, perhaps Borderline Personality Disorder or Bipolar but I would personally need much more time researching something like this before being able to say it with any confidence.
POSSIBLE REASON FOR POPULARITY; Two knowledgeable men from different parties offering different views. Neither being a current player in the Party Bullshit Factory, giving your own views. Never any suggestion that the Central Office “points to make and answers to give” sheet is in evidence.
Why don't you two stand for parliament , become MPs and do something about the problems instead of just talking about them, though I do enjoy listening to you.
So - we know that MPs don,t understand stats, very few are scientists, now Rory tells us they don,t understand gilts. ( ooh there,s a pun there - guilty ) Or - Are they ruled by WEF?? will we own nothing? Keep shouting!
Starmer's Labour is too right wing, until it becomes a true socialist party again I will be voting Conservative in attempt to create more political unrest that a socialist revolution can be born from. Thanks, Jack
I noticed Gordon Brown has got OCD - the way he precisely squared his papers when reading out his budget from the dispatch box. Also finds it hard to stand still, fidgeting constantly. Just my observation. Oh yes, does a bit of phone throwing too, at random moments.
![АЛАУДИНОВ у Скабеевой: эти их ВСУ нас НЕ ДОГОНЯТ 😁 [Пародия]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/an0anqU4WGQ/mqdefault.jpg)
Finally some people saying what I'm thinking - now I can cease shouting at the TV! 🤐
My daughter, 13 attending a Comprehensive, and her friends are eager and desperate to learn about politics ( obviously from families with a strong political awareness) .They are at the moment petitioning to be taught Political Sciences in school. This is an excellent school trying it's best to pack as much extracurricular knowledge in it's lessons as possible. As a German who had Political Sciences from age 11 I pull my hair out looking at the neglect of political education in this country. Nothing complicated- basics: how to vote, how to understand and take part in local politics, different political systems etc.
I deliver short workshops for adults- again just basics. People are receptive. They enjoy learning to take part , be able to finally figure out how to simply register to vote/find party manifestos/ explore local options to have their say and ultimately take a little bit of control. No judgement, no talking down and political neutrality (hard for me but important). This is desperately needed in this country.
To finish this ridiculously long epistel, I will never forget my first "Politik" lesson. Our teacher came in and asked two questions: A. What does the word democracy mean, literally?
B. What are the most important premises for a democracy to work ?
That is surely the bare minimum. Why is it not accessible and properly taught? Sorry *off the soapbox* .
Had to vent, better than throwing things at the TV.
Brilliant
I was "educated" 50 years ago. There wasn't any political education at all. This is the background of the red wall voters.
I attended a comprehensive school and we were taught “citizenship’ which provided us with all this information! It’s extremely sad that that’s not being taught in schools today. Good on her, and her friends, for taking the initiative and petitioning - it’ll stand her in good stead in the real world, but a 13 year old should not have to do that!
@@dm1494 which period were you taught this?
I don't remember anything, I consequently voted how my father did, at least at first.
@@nickbarton3191 I left school in 2013. If my memory serves me correctly, citizenship was introduced (for my school at least) in 2009 or 2010. We were encouraged to actively research and get involved, but that could also be down to some of my teachers and my family are very interested in politics too!
@@dm1494 @Nick Barton This is interesting. There now seems to be no consensus in which subject politics belongs,( PSHE?, History? or Geography? ) but also insistence that lessons in Citizenship/Politics do not belong on the curriculum. This utterly baffles me. A lot of my "students" are also seeing political discourse as "too complicated", "not for them", "impossible to figure out" and are left with deep reluctance to take part in it for fear of doing something wrong. A little bit like people when it comes to STEM. Something for "clever" people.
And of course the usual belief that "all parties are the same" and "my vote doesn't matter" ( which admittedly is true in a FPTP system).
Don't get me wrong the same opinions are there in Germany and other European countries but it seems far more prevalent in Britain?
Thanks Guys! Had to turn off all media this week. When I heard the budget last Friday I didn't sleep; I was horrified, shocked, terrified...
Literally couldn't believe other people weren't as freaked out as me - sometimes having a good understanding economics makes things worse!! What a relief to hear this intelligent discussion.
I felt like that at the beginning of Covid with Boris pushing out decisions which needed to be taken immediately for weeks. Hopefully it's not the same depth of a disaster but seems to be heading that way 😱
Rory, your fellow MPs from September 2019 Boris clear out. Every man and woman of, all PM material you all were. Dominic Grieve especially - I was shocked, and I am Labour, and was not in smug mode when that happened, I was totally frightened for the future of the UK, and here we are.
As someone with ADHD, I feel Rory really needs to stop calling people ADHD who are just arrogant narcissists. A lack of empathy is not associated with ADHD. Neither is unwillingness to listen to other points of view. They might not hear or get distracted, but that's not the same as refusing to listen!
When you talk like that, you frame my disorder as a moral failing, and frame their moral failings as a disorder. So with all due respect, I would stick to politics and give psychiatry a miss.
Yeah the key to spotting the difference is their "attention deficit" concerns only things that threaten their world view or ego. They physically turn away, I bet.
@@jezlawrence720 well I think it's more a cultural thing within (but not limited to) politics, where being seen as decisive and unwavering in the face of criticism is mistaken for being competent or having conviction of one's beliefs. There is no sin quite so egregious in politics as the dreaded "U-turn" - even though being able to change course based on new information or unexpected consequences should be a cornerstone of pragmatism. As a result our political system increasingly attracts and promotes ideologues, narcissists and hypocrites. Kwarteng is an ideological narcissist, Starmer, while more of a weathervane, is a hypocrite, and Truss is apparently all 3, with a side helping of being as dim as a 1 watt bulb.
@@sonicwingnut preach :)
@sonicwingnut: I think Rory used the phrase “attention deficit” and did not mention “disorder” (I may be wrong). Having said that, you do make a good point and it’s worth bearing in mind when using this sort of language.
I often use the phrase “a bit autistic”, meaning just fussy really. But I do know people with actual autism and of course, it’s a totally different thing. So, I do try to be a lot more careful with my language now.
Edit: I was wrong. He did say "disorder".
@@patchso he did say "attention deficit disorder", I have it, so I noticed it and I am also disappointed to hear it used incorrectly in this way. Especially because the behaviours he was mentioning are not actually ADHD traits. There is so much misinformation out there, so it's especially disappointing that someone intelligent, well educated and respected uses this lazy and wrong stereotype.
I have a certain respect for Rory, but he bases lots of his core beliefs on myths - especially around theories of traditional, social conservativism - where his personal beliefs are contradictory and all over the place at times. However, he's a thoroughly trustworthy and decent chap. I do enjoy these conversations.
Proud of the BBC. Local presenters who gave the PM an arse kicking as they bloody should. No Laura K deference, just asking what they should.
Superb listening. Thanks, gentlemen.
"Does he like the mange-tout?" might be the best thing I have ever heard on this podcast.
Alastair is right these people should be under criminal investigation
I love these podcasts - they give me hope that there is intelligent political life on earth
Sadly the intelligent people in the tory party have been purged and the incompetent and corrupt remain to run riot.
...you guys are a blessing, keep doing what you do...hell it's a mess out there
I remember seeing Alastair Campbell on Question Time. Tim Stanley (who writes for the Telegraph) made the comment “Well, things can only get better” as a thinly veiled dig at New Labour.
Campbell immediately pointed it out “This [the mess the government was in over cronyism, Chris Pincher, Partygate ] is all a joke to them.” He wasn’t wrong.
Nice, bonus episode.
As I listen to this, I have just read that Labour's lead has doubled to 33%. I have a long political memory and I cannot remember such a collapse in the vote of either main party. This is the end for Truss and Kwarteng.
Wonderful episode. Many thanks, both gentlemen!!!
Superb. As always, chaps!
Absolutely love your podcast - it's keeping me sane. However, please can Rory reconsider using the analogy of someone with ADHD when describing Truss and Kwarteng? Not sure this is fair on people who have this condition or that these two people have the symptoms. More likely it's arrogance and ignorance.
I listen on Spotify but came here for the comments! Do you have an email address for comments? Anyway… THIS IS WHAT I WAS WAITING FOR! I was a bit disappointed by the regular episode - I expected a much more passionate review of wtf this “government” is doing. And here it is! You two are exceptional together. Informative, entertaining, and a great duo. Well done Alistair on the absolute outrage, but equally well done to Rory for pulling it back to a sensible discussion. Perfect. I’m horrified at what’s happening. And baffled. I don’t read the popular newspapers so am mind blown that you report that their coverage is so ridiculous. How do they sleep at night. Thank goodness for the internet and self publication! Thank goodness for you guys.
Enjoyed that, again. Reminds me of Mel Smith and Griff Rhys-Jones having one to one chats on the telly, sort of.
I’m sick of everything getting blamed on the situation in Ukraine. If Britain was engaged in fighting in Ukraine then I could understand it. But we’re not.
It’s about time this government took some responsibility. This is their mess. Fucking own it.
C'mon Rory, join Labour, you know you'd fit like a glove
@whateverdotcom God no, Rory isn't about virtue signaling bs.
He'd be far more at home with the Lib Dems.
Labour isn't the only flavour other than Tory. That said, Keir is a good leader, but I'd only ever lend my vote to Labour to get the Tories out, I'd never sign up for it and I'd rather have a Lib Dem majority... one can dream.
"Weird" is not objective, Rory. I went to a council estate comprehensive and was "clever" enough to leave the UK in 1986, when I still could. 😀🇪🇺🇨🇵
The problem with Kwasi Kwarteng is that he is so intelligent, and so used to being "the smartest guy in the room", that he cant see when he might be wrong. It's not only arrogance its a false sense of intellectual superiority created by his academic record. There is a huge difference between being "book smart" and being "life, street and emotionally smart". You need all of these to be a good politician. Book smarts alone doesn't cut it.
The Labour party, not just Keir Starmer, is finding its voice. Im increasingly impressed by Angela Rayner, Rachel Reeves, Jess Philips and the rest of Keir's top team. While I dont necessarily agree with everything they are proposing, nonetheless it seems coherent and workable. In contrast, the Tory party has been drifting rightward in order to placate the ERG. IMHO, the Tory party needs to ditch them in some way and will probably have to before the party seems electable again.
Quite agree
General Election
NOW !
'He's Arrogant'... said Alastair Campbell 😆😆
My youngest, 16-year old, son insisted I listen to this. I owe him a decent meal next time he is home, or I visit his school in Somerset. Generally, I don't enjoy Campbell, but Stewart appears to be a great foil for him, so the two of them end up will a coherent and incisive podcast. Of course Truss is today's British equivalent of a dystopian combination of Sarah Palin, Kim Campbell, and Julia Gillard. God help you all. 🇰🇪🥴👨🌾
Should be a course and some kind of competence examination to be a MP
Hasn’t it always been the case that voting in a democracy is not about ‘getting what you want’, but rather about getting the least bad outcome?
It certainly is under First Past The Post elections
If only you'd waited a few more hours for the YouGov poll....
Is it out yet?
Power has been divorced from responsibility and consequences so we have these turds floating on top
Poeple listen to your podcast because it is an honest political debate, from two opposing political standpoints, that remains a CONVERSATION, with both parties and open to learning and uncovering truth, without the comfortable shackles of ideology. I believe the old political game is over and political reform, ie proportion representation etc. Will weed out a.lot of, would be career MPs ,leaving a Parliments of MPs who's individual and collect interests, are in service of the national interest, which will instill trust and hopefully aresponsibility in the public to be more politically and socially aware
25:34 A football analogy Alistair might appreciate. We, like the usa and EU countries are facing the game of our lives. Our serious weakness is that whereas the others are playing the game with a team and tactics they are familiar with, thanks to brexit we face the game with an untested and unfamiliar team and tactics. We were a massively successful EU economy for 50 years, but no more. Global britain is an untested experimental team and formation that so far looks unlikely to survive.
Totally agree with Rory. Kwasi Kwarteng very clever with a first from Cambridge, but little or no wisdom and / or common sense. Total wazzock.
Alistair is wrong, the chancellor is clever but illustrates the dangers of being ideologically inclined. The problem really with what they did was that they have no mandate for the electorate. Which is more about the issue of electing PMs outside a general election.
Like two men sat around a fire and wondering where the fire came from.
"This lot should be in Jail". Well said Alistair. They are the political equivalent of Nick Leeson.
Once it becomes endemic, Alastair, is the word you're looking for. When becomes endemic with small and medium business enterprises - SMEs - decide to pack up and end trading.
To clarify the terms you two were pointlessly arguing about: Intelligence is the ability to absorb, analyze and act upon information. It allows you to do things in the world. Education gives you an array of information and gives you the ability to do things. Wisdom is the ability to know what to do out of the things you could do.
Wisdom depends upon understanding context. It will not only tell you what to do but also what not to do. If we could teach it as a skill or even detect it in its native form the human race would be a lot better off but we can't. The only test for it (this comes from the Science Fiction author John Brunner: I don't know where he stole it from) is to face someone with something that has never happened anywhere in the world before and see if they know the right thing to do. It's a test that the modern generation of politicians mostly fail.
'Clever' is just too broad a term though I think I know what Alistair was meaning by it.
The tories have really doomed themselves by electing Truss, she was easily the least popular candidate of the run-up by far, but they still picked her, knowing full well no one likes her and that she'd struggle in a general election. I think there may be some truth to the theory they've given up on that front and they're just in it for themselves now until they inevitably get voted out.
An excellent gloves off debate for once, getting down to the basics of how our political system is so inadequate for now and the future. ADHD explains so much of what's happening.
I’m drawn to the conclusion that the appearance of decisiveness and the appeasement of selected special interests is enough to get people to the very top in modern politics; this can result in a horrific dereliction of duty of care for vast numbers of people in society. the levels of harm caused by the likes of Truss and Kwateng are unforgivable, this is not mere economic tinkering, people’s lives are being destroyed while they smirk, showboat and waffle. And they are likely to simply walk away from the carnage into a very well remunerated future once they have been removed from office by their equally self-seeking colleagues. The Conservatives have shown themselves to be completely untrustworthy, selfish and contemptuous. These are not the one-nation Conservatives of earlier times, they are ruthless opportunists for whom actual competence is optional.
The BOE had to intervene to stop pension funds collapsing as a result of margin calls! WTF? Why is rising rates a problem for pension funds? Pension funds are the longest of long term investors and should benefit from the moves gilts! My question is rhetorical & disingenuous of course; the reason is because pension funds every where are up to their neck in debt. Not as the creditor but as the debtor! They've been borrowing to cover up for insufficient premium coverage for a decade now at least. Early this week in London proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the entire financial system is staring into the abyss. The reason people like Summers & Krugman are so angry with Kamikaze is that he's unwittingly exposed the charade; a charade the central bankers, TBTF banks and the quantum economists can only sustain if they don't break ranks.
All the press are heading to Oxted Leisure Centre as we speak now. I used to live in Caterham nearby-ish. Grasshopper nightclub Westerham anyone? On the A25? 😎
Must say, Alastair is getting a bit too rude with Rory ever since they started these "in person" shows. Stop telling him off Alastair, the mange tous question was very legitimate :-)
That is how dancing around and over a fire started.
33 point lead on YouGov
Why am I hearing adverts for Saudi Arabian related bodies on your podcast on Spotify?? Please tell me you 2 have not okayed this?
No doubt Labour might be thinking the unthinkable, rejoining the single market/customs union. At least 4% growth could be regained. It's very sad to see this country in such dire straits but we are able to say the neo-liberal experiment has failed and a new direction is needed. KS needs to capitalise pronto.
we really need Bernie Sanders here. not only a brilliant thinker but his chicken isn't bad either
Oh no, please don't use "attention deficit disorder" in that incorrect way. The behaviours you described actually aren't often ADHD traits. In fact, overthinking, over analysing and being quite risk averse are common traits. Thanks.
BUT Starmer is against PR.....!!!!!!!!!
Anyone please give me the name of the book they often refer to focusing on the themes of the three P’s…populism , Y, Z…?! I’ve caught references to it in passing & can never quite catch the author / title - please advise! Cheers.
As someone who knows a little bit about neuro divergence, she does present some basic failures to exhibit typical human behaviours (lack of empathy, erratic decision making etc). However, I wouldn't say that she was particularly consistent with a disgnosis of ADHD. Nor would I say she matches the criteria for someone with a spectrum disorder. I would suggest that she has some kind of behavioural/personality disorder, perhaps Borderline Personality Disorder or Bipolar but I would personally need much more time researching something like this before being able to say it with any confidence.
Not to be able to acknowledge the extreme right wing Tory domination of the printed and broadcast media in Britain is a bit disappointing Rory.
Truss is out of her depth. No more no less. Therefore, so is the Tory Party.
Didn't anybody in the Media Department at Number 10 spot the potential Banana skin ?
Another interpretation could be that Kwai is working out ‘Mission Innovation’ . Is this the thrust of Truss go for broke Growth?
Typo - Kwasi
So this is why I can't buy a house in Scotland. Tory Stewarts buying up all the stock.
The centre talking too each other.
The sheer arrogance of Truss and chanellor on display
"Does he like the mange-tout?", asked a wee glaikit. 🤔
POSSIBLE REASON FOR POPULARITY; Two knowledgeable men from different parties offering different views. Neither being a current player in the Party Bullshit Factory, giving your own views.
Never any suggestion that the Central Office “points to make and answers to give” sheet is in evidence.
Why don't you two stand for parliament , become MPs and do something about the problems instead of just talking about them, though I do enjoy listening to you.
Alastair debates like he's yelling at his wife.
The leaders are getting younger and younger . . . . Tell that to Joe Biden. Indeed, Bernie is mulling another run!!
Listening to what Alastair Campbell says, always remember he’s a Waitrose shopper.
What's wrong with Waitrose? I'm in N.Ireland and we don't have Waitrose.
So - we know that MPs don,t understand stats, very few are scientists, now Rory tells us they don,t understand gilts. ( ooh there,s a pun there - guilty ) Or - Are they ruled by WEF?? will we own nothing? Keep shouting!
Starmer's Labour is too right wing, until it becomes a true socialist party again I will be voting Conservative in attempt to create more political unrest that a socialist revolution can be born from.
Thanks,
Jack
Good luck. Try brewing your tea tonight in a chocolate teapot as well for all the good it’ll do.
I presume you're joking?
@@enemywithin1295 yes
Thanks, Jack
I noticed Gordon Brown has got OCD - the way he precisely squared his papers when reading out his budget from the dispatch box. Also finds it hard to stand still, fidgeting constantly. Just my observation. Oh yes, does a bit of phone throwing too, at random moments.
What about Mr Starmer not knowing what a woman is?
BRITAIN DESERVES BETTER (than this current Tory rabble) - there is your tagline-slogan
Is Alistair getting more emotional and aggressive?