Doctor Reacts to South Park | This is How Addiction Happens
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This Doctor Reacts video is a long overdue look at the South Park episode "Freemium Isn't Free". It's all about addiction and how much is to do with free will and choice and how much is a disease. The last time I looked at South Park it was all about tics and Tourette's syndrome and it was actually really accurate. I was very impressed. Let's see if this episode matches up!
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8:41 I just realized. Randy drank the wine in the wrong order for an actual tasting. You are supposed to drink white wines before red wines because otherwise you won't be able to taste the whites later. So Randy drank his wine in a way to not be able to actually taste it.
Besides, I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to drink the whole glass
@@maxb5201 Also, I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to drink it at all. You sip, circle it in your mouth, and then spit it into a bucket.
@@Eweiit that's kinda gross I thought they were like samples and it was fancy or something, to sip one after another or something but
@@Eweiit Also, i'm pretty sure you're supposed to smell it before that
"I'm not having a glass of wine, I'm having 6. It's called a tasting and it's classy" I quote this all the time and it's hilarious. A lot of people use alcohol, energy drinks, and other stuff in my industry to cover up burnout and it leads to addiction and also makes burnout worse so joking about it makes it easier to cope with.
As someone who is currently working to get off of energy drinks I feel that, it got so bad I was having heart issues, high blood pressure and palpitations, I was having up to a gram of caffeine in my worst days, I felt awful but couldn't stop, I only bring this up to say thank you for mentioning caffeine being addictive, many people just ignore how addictive it actually can be
It's the same issue where I work, too
The truly awful thing is that it is so normalized at this point that no one can see it much less help themselves or each other.
You just get into the habit of survival mode to cope because you have to make it through the day somehow
I'm guessing you're either a chef or a software developer
@@nonpondo_ I've been spotted 👀👀👀. I'm an ex chef and currently switched over to kitchen manager over a food service department. As much as I love restaurants, the enviornment just isn't a place for a healthy happy person
@@atomiccrouton Feel ya. I’m a recovering addict and have worked BOH and FOH my entire life…
It’s hilarious because once in one of my therapy groups we talked about how alcohol is socially acceptable. You can go to Applebee’s and get bottomless mimosas and no one thinks twice. In fact, it’s encouraged. But if I pulled out a bottle cap and started mixing my dope up? I’m going to jail. When the whole reason I was legit on pain meds was because a drunk caused my car to flip on the highway and I was ejected from the crash. Then randomly got cut off from my lifeline that helped me function.
That “please drink responsibly” commercial makes me laugh every time I see it.
I'm an alcoholic and both this episode and your commentary was helpful to me. Thank you.
I wish you the best for your recovery! One of my parents is also an alcoholic but sober now for over 30 years.
Me too mate. All the best
Ever hear the song "I Need A New Drug" and really feel that sentiment?
Isnt it deliciously just ironic, how presumably the most immoral being and the source of all the evil in the world (Satan), is actually the most sane character in this whole episode? Gotta love South Park ❤
Arguably the only character not pretending to be something he's not
Satan is also a close friend of Stan
What is evil anyway?
Is there reason to the rhyme,
That without evil there can be no good so it must be good to be evil sometimes!
Satan in South Park literally goes to heaven after his death at the hands of Manbearpig. He's mourned by the town, no less. Hell, in the movie, he's not the one responsible for a burgeoning World War: he's the one who puts a stop to it.
I wouldn't say that, Satan is considered a deceiver and a puppet master so it makes sense that he is sane and fully cognisant and aware of what he is doing and how he is manipulating people
"he is prioritizing the game instead of going to school" - I would prioritize hitting my head on the brick wall instead of going to school. 😅😂
That's not a glass, it's a trophy, that YOU won...for drinking
🤣🤣🤣
South Park is Legendary. It best joke is the original warning that it should not be watched by anyone. When actually it should be watched by everyone.
“Board games go good with a glass of wine.” 😂
Not monopoly. Wine will only make the arguments worse
That's the best part@@DoctorElliottCarthy
17:12 "The response is rewarded after an unpredictable amount of time" - like getting a bus in Sydney
4:11 interesting thing. More recently built casinos have started incorporating more windows and natural light.
I suspect the presence of cellphones, has probably lessened the effectiveness of that psychological effect. Everyone’s got a clock on their body 24/7.
Stopping app notifications has been super helpful in managing how much I am on my phone. It's an easy thing to do that gives some control back.
Procrastinating on revising for my A-Level Psychology, so this is part revision, part entertainment and part special interest in South Park!
I wasted a lot of money on these mobile games and became addicted to them, despite the fact that they weren't even that good. This episode actually helped me a lot to become aware of it and stop playing them. Sure, it would be better to play in moderation and show some discipline, but I'm not that strong. I can get very impulsive when it comes addictive stuff so it's easier for me to completely stay away from it
It might help to get a $100 stack of ones and a couple of rolls each of quarters, dimes, and nickels. That's $134. Every time you're about to hit that button, move the money from a cash box into a trash can. That should help you visualize what's going on. If you don't have the money to do that, don't play. If you run out, quit. I know it sounds hard, but maybe it would help. It's like gambling. Remember: never risk more than you can afford to, you're paying for entertainment, so if it's not fun, quit, and the house always wins.
It helps that the games are terribly boring.
"Sure, it would be better to play in moderation"
It wouldn't be though, because they're shit. They're not even really games. Quitting was the right move.
"I can get very impulsive when it comes addictive stuff" Oh, can you? Well, gee, that must suck for you in particular...No wait, that's just how addiction works at all.
I know this comment is five months old but same for me! My games of choice where Conquer Online and Dungeon Hunter 5. I probably spent about a couple hundred dollars on both before I stopped playing them.
Duolingo doesn’t make you pay, it literally uses the same principles as this to get you addicted to learning the language which is a way of bettering yourself, it’s beautiful lol
When you are watching this at 5am after not sleeping watching UA-cam all night... and it's hitting a little too close to home...
To me, it is shocking how normalized alcoholism is.
Alcoholism is at the lowest level in thousands of years.
That's because people have been drinking for over 10,000 years. Coffee was only introduced like 400 years ago in europe and 800 years ago in the near East
As a current Bio Psych major, I thank you so much for releasing this entertaining and useful short lecture for me to study for my finals.
Randy’s perpetually rotating addictions are one of my favorite long running character gags in the show
Ever since I heard of observational bias, I started seeing it everywhere!
Here in Germany, being drunk while committing an offense really *is* considered a mitigating factor! You're considered to have been acting with impaired judgment and are therefore *less* responsible for your actions. (Unless you deliberately got drunk *in order* to commit the crime, i.e. gave yourself Dutch courage. Also doesn't apply to drunk driving, obviously.) I was absolutely gobsmacked when I learned that. I think it's disgusting, but I'm just a foreigner living in Germany, so my opinion doesn't count.
I am German and I think alcohol should not be a mitigationg factor. In fact I think people should be punished harder for that. Especially when it comes to drunk driving etc. The whole drinking cuture in Germany is a mess tbh.
That's interesting. I could go on a long rant about the way the criminal justice system sees all drug and alcohol use as a form of bad behaviour, regardless of whether there is an dependence or not (and if and how much dependence truley interferes with free will which is yet another debate that is v interesting)
@@DoctorElliottCarthy I think my harshness comes from my frustration with the German legal system and its shockingly lax treatment of people who commit serious crimes under the influence and barely get any punishment. You are right, a nuanced and serious discussion needs to be had about consumption and addiction and all that comes with it. But also most grown ups know what effects alcohol has on them. So,e.g., if they know alcohol makes them aggressive and they starts fights maybe they should not drink to that point where it escalates. Drinking should not be absolution.
Why do you think It's disgusting? Its problematic. But disgusting is not the word I would use. Its perfectly reasonable to take that someone had severely impaired judgement due to drunkeness into account. Unless its a repeated offense. Imagine how terrible you would feel if you found out afterwards that you did something shameful while blackout drunk. Something you'd never do again. You should probably be ordained to take antabus or something to limit your drinking. But its not "disgusting" to take it into account.
@@adrianaslund8605 Because they chose the actions that resulted in their impaired judgement, knowing it would impair their judgement. Unless someone poured the drink down their throat, it should not be a mitigating factor as they are the ones who created the risky circumstances to begin with. It's like if someone damaged their own tires, had a blow out that caused a wreck, and then the court considered their damaged tires a mitigating factor. It was their responsibility.
This is why I turn all notifications off apart from texts and calls. I made the decision after listening to the audio book - IRRESISTIBLE by Adam Alter. You can't help but notice everything after listening/reading it. Far more productive now 😃
I just watched your video analyzing the South Park episode "Freemium Isn't Free," and I wanted to take a moment to express my gratitude for your insightful analysis.
Your ability to break down and analyze the portrayal of addiction in the episode was incredibly helpful and informative. It's important to have mental health professionals like yourself who can provide accurate and relatable information about complex issues such as addiction.
Your compassionate and relatable approach to discussing mental health is truly inspiring, and I appreciate the time and effort you put into creating this valuable resource.
Once again, thank you for all that you do, and I look forward to learning more from you in the future.
The 'mium' is Latin for 'Not really' cracked me the hell up
me too
I remember once getting into a fremium game. Spent 100$ on an addon. I then saw how quickly it went away for such little reward and then thought over what I could've spent 100$ on and decided to delete the app and since then I've never touched a free to play game again besides a few exceptions that don't have pay addons.
What I hate more than "free" games are idle games
I did the same thing with Blackjack. I lost $20 in less than a minute, and never gambled again.
Maybe it's like the thing when scammers are intentionally low effort So the victims who do interact with them are the most vulnerable.
What's really crazy about this is the gaming companies are targeting children with these advanced tools to help them become better gamblers.
Monitoring my kids digital well being is exhausting.
Hi Dr Carthy I like your videos and find them informative. I am from Australia and have schizoaffective disorder. I think you mentioned in one of your videos that you wanted to know what caused particular delusions to manifest in different ways in different people when they were psychotic. I found when I had my psychotic episode I had delusions about what would be one of my greatest fears - that someone I cared about deeply had done something horrible to me (the story was unbelievable though). It really affected me very deeply. Well done on the videos and keep them coming. Thanks Alicia
Congratulations on your self awareness well done. I am addicted to a certain plant that people say isn’t I know I am and can admit it first step I guess. But I don’t want to quit completely yet. My long winded point is that not all drugs are bad John Hopkins research hospital is or has doing a study of mushrooms Psilocybin has been great for treating people with terminal conditions and delusional and obsessive compulsive people
@@PaliSvapna Cannabis? Kratom?
In south park the devil is a decent guy. The worst thing he ever did was kick Steve Irwin out of his sweet 16 party.
And that was an honest mistake too
Satan legitimately explaining how addiction works and reworks the very chemical balances of the brain in such a thoughtful, informative manner, is probably one of South Park's best bits.
Honestly I’m just happy you’ve seen South Park and seem like a fan at least a bit x3 makes this feel even better
South Park is far more intellectual and thought-provoking than people would think at face-value. Amazing show and it's a true testament of its creators that they not only stuck with it unlike many other sitcoms of its time, but grew as individuals whilst finding ways to evolve it. Matt Stone and Trey Parker are very rare type of entertainers that you just do not see anywhere.
I never thought I would see South Park on this channel but I love it! South park is one of my favorite shows ever (I coincidentally watched four episodes of it today). Hope to see more south park on this channel, but that's your choice of course. One episode that i recommend you and everyone else is season 11 episode 2 which has conversion therapy in it. It's a very dark episode but it's also fun and overplays the most horrific stuff that happens in conversion therapy.
I was radicalized by Johann Hari's Chasing the Scream. Which is a book that argues very successfully that the psychological aspect of addiction has been criminally overlooked. And that the war on drugs is largely counterproductive and immoral. One problem with the drug centric view too is that other addictions are not taken seriously and are stigmatized as "not real" one that Is frustratingly overlooked is "adult entertainment" addiction. Which kind of blows my mind. An activity that literally causes a strong bodily euphoria and arguably causes an altered state is somehow not taken seriously as an addiction.
I'm a recovering addict and my son's dad is a practicing addict. My son is in his 20s and takes great pride in the fact that he has only drank once, and never taken drugs. Sadly, the addiction gene was passed down from both his parents, and he is addicted to those gambling video games. He usually budgets his gambling game money, but sometimes he falls short and I have to help him out.
Hope they recognize the issue and get support
Both sides of my family had alcoholism. I drink around a pint of 80-proof a day. I try to justify it by keeping complete control not stumbling around, hooting and hollering, drunk singing, talking annoyingly. No one would ever know I was drinking unless I told them.
You just made me feel old! I was an adult when that first south park jesus and santa kinda christmas video (pre-pilot) was being passed around on VHS tapes in my downtown apartment complex hahaha.
14:25 I love the changes in facial expression as it just got darker and darker.
There are other southpark-episodes about addiction - Bloody Mary comes to mind
You should do one of these on Captain Planet’s Mind Pollution. Captain Planet aways gets it about 60-75% right but delivers it in the most over the top, sensational way possible.
As someone who was taught this stuff from a very young age, and still has problems with dependency and addiction I still see value in the episode.
Though very flawed, I still think it is a decent way to explain it to the average person who thinks it is a "just say no" or a "just choose happiness" problem, instead of the more common/ accurate "I have been doing this so long it's becoming a problem and I'm not sure how to/if I can stop" situation.
Most of the "self-policing" is actually just a way to get control over the policing to make sure it can't actually cut into your profits.
Gaming suffers from that a lot. The gaming commissions that are supposed to police games for being age-appropriate and generally acceptable to the public are sponsored by and mostly sponsored by current or previous industry people from big gaming corporations.
Consequently, any and all attempts to get at least the most obviously predatory mechanisms banned outright or at least made 18+ because they're quite clearly gambling have run into a complete brick wall.
The people who are financed by and incentivized to act in the interest of the biggest game publishers surprisingly didn't want to ban or regulate something that brought in billions in profit every year at the expense of people that are prone to addiction.
They're policing themselves in the same way gangs are - just enough to make sure the public doesn't stamp them out, riding that bleeding edge where the profits are fattest.
The commission exists to give the public the illusion that a higher power is keeping big business from going too far so that they won't push for ACTUAL oversight that may or may not be easily bribed.
Have you seen the South Park Episode T.M.I? It’s about anger and how anger is related to a specific part of male anatomy. And it’s not the brain.
Love South Park! Also just found your channel and I learned a lot from you here. Cool stuff.
Sometimes I find myself playing solitaire over and over on the phone:
when a game begins, I'm excited;
when I don't win, I'm frustrated;
when I win, I'm disappointed.
The duo lingo bird is good cuz instead of spending money it's learning a language
The part where Satan talked about dopamine made so much sense to me that I credit it with helping me with my physical addiction to opioids. I'm 10 years and 17 days sober. It's a shame that it isn't completely accurate.
I wonder if that guy I used to know downtown is out of prison yet.
It is one of my fav episodes. It does a great job, and is very entertaining. Your reaction vid was very good. It was nice to see how a doctor with the appropriate knowledge felt about SP efforts.
This is the clearest exploration & explanation of addiction I've yet seen - thank you! 💚
stabel support network does work -- I had quit smoking just because I was around people who did not smoke --unfortunatly I enlisted and that ended quick
Amazing! More South Park please!
Studying for my RBT exam and hearing you go over the terms is actually helping me for this test 💃💃
I have a re-enforcement cycle with mobile games. When encouraged to spend, I say "Screw you" and then uninstall.
0:5 yes we do. There isn’t a single series that has better representation of illness, oppression, and genuine problems than South Park.
That yeah yeah yeah I am lord was perfect 😂
I'm a competitive drinker and I feel like there's a huge misconception regarding competitive drinking. It's not about the drinking, it's about the competition.
I'm going to watch the rest of this, but I have to say that it's ironic on a video about addiction (throw in temptation for good measure especially because of the South Park episode with the Devil) that Dr. Elliott kind of looks like Tom Ellis from, "Lucifer."
This kind of video shows why southpark has been around as long as it has.
It is clever (also morally wrong) what companies do. Like a gambling/casino company getting a streamer to gamble on stream using money the company gives the streamer. The streamer will say during the stream that people should not gamble and all this but people watch and get hooked on it. As someone who plays Fifa a lot and watch various streamers play. If I see a streamer do an SBC or open a pack in game and ends up being really good. Does it make me want to do that in my game. Yes it does. And it actually surprised me when I sat and thought about it
I think one form of addiction that is always overlooked is food addiction or obesity.
Diet industry works extremely hard to push the narrative that "you are just lazy and need to work harder (buy my pills please)" with the specific intention to direct the general publics perceptions of being overweight as a choice. No person ever wants to be fat yet the diet industry has completely brainwashed the world into thinking that is exactly the reason and that fat people should be shamed into losing the weight. However all this does is isolate overweight people and prevent them from reaching out and getting help. You know its really bad when even doctors are just telling overweight people they are fat and lazy.
Food addiction or eating disorders is one of the worst forms of addiction you can get imo. With nearly every other form of addiction, its a matter of no longer using it, eg, gambling addiction just stop playing any form of gambling remove yourself from places that cater to that eg pubs and casinos, alcohol addiction just stop drinking alcohol. However with food you cant just stop eating, you are constantly triggered everyday and you have to learn to manage the trigger as well as the addiction. its totally insane. and this is why it is so god damn hard for people to lose weight, one they dont even realise theres an element of addiction of they have an ED and two it is exceptionally hard to manage those or even get help to do so.
What's sad is this episode has only become more relevant the worse the video game industry gets.
The disgusting Part is that "freemium" games are using exactly those mechanics that real life gambling is being forbidden to use.
Here in europe gambling machines are not even allowed to call out to Players with a voiceline before starting the game or have animated blinking art to attract customers.
It's stuff like these games that makes me happy that I have such a contrary nature. If these companies ever figured out how to reverse psychology me on this I'd be done.
I must ask. You said that you watched the episode about Tourettes syndrome, but I cant find the video anywhere. Has it been removed?
ua-cam.com/video/l4oLdBxLozE/v-deo.html (UA-cam made it 18+ only though because of all the swearing)
any time i install an app on my phone and i get a "we haven't seen you in a while" notification, i uninstall the app immediately
SSRIs were prescribed to me younger...when I found a good therapist and was able to think through it and talk it out, I have never needed them again or looked back. I learned to recognize my triggers and bad spots. **Jmho, NOT Med advice**
i just realized that $489 spent by stan is 420 + 69. Nice job South Park
lol yes … the uk gambling adverts!! “Look we put a big yellow banner!! We mean business”
What irritates me is that recently, it seems every second ad on UA-cam is for gambling. I don't even gamble and yet I'm inundated with them.
i do a lot of drugs but i really don't get alcohol. Why do people drink? It's like the worst drug. It makes you vomit and feel sick and confused and lose control of your body. It's like everything i hate about a drug wrapped up into one substance. The world would be a much better place if you could buy MDMA instead of beer.
Knowing something is bad for me, and doing it anyway is being self aware and understanding the risks involved... Thats not a contradiction.
I know i might die speeding on my motorcycle, or my Newports may give me cancer. I know, i understand, and i do it anyway vecause i want to. Doesnt seem confusing at all
Your explanation really help put into prospective why gambling has never appealed to me, because I've never won, so what's the point
3:02 I feel rather called out watching this while playing RuneScape, the entire premise of which is that of the variable ratio schedule you describe haha
Most of my mom's side became alcoholics very early on in adulthood, that's why I'm glad I don't have a taste for alcohol in a majority of cases
However I ended up being a soda addict instead cuz of having a constant need for hydration but with a good taste but I've even chugged water bottles without realizing it, which at first I thought it might be the caffeine in sodas and coffee but it's more a sugar addiction I guess
It sucks, specially cuz I end up filling recycling bins rather quick
great answers very educational thank you
Stopped playing a Facebook game when I saw how much time it was sucking up, and what it was going to take to improve. Very glad that I dodged that bullet.
Yeah, I learned LONG ago that I have an addiction prone personality.
I have never drank to the point of being drunk. (Probably due to the fact that I have found practically NO alcoholic drinks that TASTE good to me, and I also have a bit of a hedonistic streak.) Which is also why I never do drugs! (because they WORK, right away & I am sure I WOULD become an addict if I did.)
Similarly, when I realized I felt WAY too much pleasure when I gambled, I learned to strictly regulate any gambling I do.
If I (very rarely) go to a casino, I set aside a specific amount of money that I intend to bet with! (i.e. "spend") No more. I also only ever buy a SINGLE lottery ticket for a drawing. (as a way to "manage" my addiction)
Very interesting video about an interesting topic & funny episode.
I mean not to fuck with your life but isn't this the rationalizing he was talking about
It's under control, its manageable because, You buy one lottery ticket every single time.
How often do you do this stuff? gambling is illegall here
Are you recovering from an addiction or starting one
Bro.... Dude.... Makin me feel old AF right now...
"I remember sneaking downstairs after my parents went to bed because i wasnt allowed to watch it..."
Ouch bro.... Ouch.. i was 21 when that show came out... Ouch
Lol. I thought I was old enough as someone over 30 on UA-cam
@@DoctorElliottCarthy pushing 50 here. I still remember seeing the very 1st episode. My younger brother convinced me that I HAD to watch it the night it originally aired after I got home from work. 10/10 no regrets, would do again.
I have re-watched your South Park videos so many times; they are fantastic, as is the rest of your content of course. Recently South Park released a special called "the end of Obesity". I would love to see you do a longer form review of it! If not, at least make sure you get a chance to see it for yourself as a fan of the show,
As a gamer who never got allowance and had to buy all my games/consoles myself as well as collected TCGs.
The prices of the freemium games just seems ridiculous to me.
Why would i pay money for something temporary when i could spend it on something permanent.
My favorite bit about this episode is when Satan tells Stan that the game is blatant Skinner box manipulation. It drives home that addiction has operant Conditioning play a part in it.
do you have to have an addictive personality though? i've drunk to excess before, been hungover, but i don't drink alcohol really that much at all. My grandfather, his grandfather and his uncle were all alcoholics, but me and my father don't drink a lot.
That glowing light in your eyes is very hypnotic. That's how you get people to watch your videos isn't it? : P
tbh, if i feel like i could get addicted to a mobile game, i just delete it. especially if it has push notifications. this probably saved my brain and my wallet many times lol
I love when you say shed jewel.
This video got interrupted by ad of mobile game, with fake currency, unlock-able characters for fake currency, recommended by streamers.
Life imitates art. lol
Beelzaboot, thy name is Gacha
Yeah duo gives you an option to pay for unlimited "hearts" or chances after you make a mistake on a lesson. I've paid for it before. At least using it to help learn a language is more beneficial than buying in game currency or card packs on most other "free" apps out there
I think stan has some kind of OCD. Some would say it's part of his assburgers, I'm not so sure.
Whenever i stop gaming, it takes very little time for the negative thought spiral to start spinning. It only stops when i shut my brain up by keeping it busy. In the past , saying "no gaming before so-and-so" has helped with more positive life habits. I still have to keep myself occupied, but at least i can shut up the anxious kid looking for a quick endorphine boost. Funny thing is, once you get into the habit of getting rewarded quickly and frequently, it gets a lot harder to motivate yourself for other daily tasks, that are very slow to pay out. Even if said tasks have a reliable outcome per effort invested, my brain still seems to prefer to keep running on the expectation of a reward that never comes. At least it's kept in a mode of positive anticipation instead of negative thoughts , i guess. Dysfunctional selfmedication.
I never got into real gambling. I play RPGs and I super hate it when it's like "hey, want this unique weapon? Gamble for it. Yeah I know it's gonna take like 4 hours but you want that whip, right?"
I'm taking about Dragon Quest 11 specifically
In defense of Duolingo: Its not tempting me...its threatening me 🤣 "You have full hearts again.... 🔫 now go and learn. °-° "
I felt for this almost 5 years ago with the simpsons tapped out game. I realized that I got tricked into spending real money. And that was the last time I've ever spent money on a fremium game
Hey now, don't put gambling down on freemium gaming's level. Uncalled for.
In Regards to addiction can you touch on people/society’s addiction to coffee
You may call it addiction but I call it Passion.😂😢😬
It took until watching this to accept I have an extreme overuse problem with marijuana. Addiction? - we'll find out when I get back to seeing my psychologist.
It would be interesting to know whether or not epigenetic components play a role in addiction aswell.
I wasted so much money on these types of games over the years. I finally stopped about a year ago, but the only solution that worked was just never installing these types of games at all. Now, if a game says it's free, i just ignore it, even if it looks legitimately fun.
The gaming industry used to tell people to play in moderation too. I haven’t seen something like that since the 3DS in 2011/2012.
A small thing with this episode that many seem to miss, if you look at the prices for the mobile app transactions, the bundles aren't a better deal than the smaller amounts