If you find the content breakdown below useful, hit the thumbs up button so I can judge whether to do it again in the future. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So many features, nowhere near enough time with the camera to go through everything! Apologies the audio clips slightly at times... here's the video breakdown 0:00 - Intro - Intro to Cameras 0:53 - L Mount Alliance, LENSES and ROADMAP 1:22 - Build and Handling 2:00 - I'm not a fan of the handgrip 2:15 - Buttons Everywhere! 2:40 - Also not a fan of the On/Off switch location 3:01 - Top LCD screen 3:19 - Rear LCD and HUGED 3:34 - Why no front facing screen? 4:12 - DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME 4:30 - Weight comparison with competition 4:47 - Run through the rear and Touchscreen 5:04 - Dual cards slots 5:20 - Connections 5:37 - quick run through of video 6:07 - Quick video example with AF and stabilisation 6:52 - Slow motion mode 7:16 - Portraits + eye detection example 8:00 - Animal/Cushion detection AF 8:17 - 50mm f/1.4 talk and examples 8:45 - ooohhh shutter sounds nice 9:02 - High Resolution shooting mode 9:33 - EVF is AMAZING! 9:46 - Guy walks out with dog 10:05 - Shut up 10:07 - Battery 10:29 - First impressions 10:55 - Weather sealing 11:00 - Back to AF first impressions 11:56 - PRICES! 12:16 - HALF A SECOND HANDHELD!!!
Trying to film on the streets of Barcelona was a bit of a nightmare... as I’m sure you can imagine. Cars beeping, lorries reversing, people just walking in front of shot... and we generally only ever get a couple of hours to do everything. I was pretty stressed by the end of it all. Unless me ‘shutting up’ was refreshing.. will never happen 😉
@@Photogearnews Yeah I can imagine. Not an ideal situation. Although it is nice to see the streets and people in the background. It has its charms. Well done.
Great video! I’ve watched every single test and review so far! Really enjoyed your insights and tests especially the portrait shots. You did a great well rounded job for only having it a couple hours! Much appreciated!
Thank you Tyler! 🙏 Not making any excuses - I just do what I can in the time and situation I’m dealt with. Some guys do it better, but often have someone shooting video so everything is a little more polished. And of course, you just can’t cover everything in the few hours we have. What do you think of the camera/s?
@@PhotogearnewsNo excuses needed, you did great. I'm very excited for the S1. For the right person it is going to be great. For me I have been waiting to upgrade to a decent photo/video hybrid so i can stop carrying my GH4 and canon dslr everywhere I go and just bring 1 camera. Long time panasonic video shooter wanting to upgrade to full frame. I'm very excited for it. Already the Autofocus fixes between 0.5 to 0.7 firmware we have seen this week alone makes me very excited for the S1.
Ha. I wondered with to put it in or out. Given the amount of people walking in and out of shot I just felt it added to the general feeling of frustration that you sometimes have trying to film these things.
Panasonic’s argument about flipscreen at 3‘38‘‘ is a bit silly. Isn‘t the GH5 a professional camera? I should think so. The G9 also has a flipscreen and unhindered access to HDMI, headphone jack etc.. There are rumours about Canon having patented the flipscreen for FF cameras. Not sure about that, but the lack of flipscreen certainly is a negative. Not so much from a vlogging perspective, as you wouldn‘t vlog with this brick anyway. It is about flexibility for tricky angles where the flippy really is helpful.
Not used the Z6 aside from the launch event so my opinion is pretty much purely on handling - and full disclosure, I was a Nikon user before switching to Sony - I’d get the Z6 of the two. That view, again, is based on size, weight and general handling. It doesn’t taking image quality or AF in to account at all as not really used AF on either and the S1 isn’t final firmware (and come to think of it not was the Z6 I used). Where the S1 absolutely slays the Z6 is the image stabilisation (perhaps on the new Olympus better?) and the EVF is just a thing of loveliness. There are a few other nice features of the S1, loads in fact, but it’s just the handling, and again, it may purely come down to familiarity here. Oh, the price of those Panasonic lenses too... I think the Sigma EF-L Mount adapter is going to sell very well!
Yes... again please remember it is pre-production and the AF isn’t final. I was also very close which often means if the focus goes out it struggles a lot more than if the subject was, say, another metre further away. That said without phase detect AF I do think it will struggle with low light video. It’s certainly something I’ll be looking very closely at in a full test
👍Good job on a pre-production model. Tough duty in Barcelona! Hope Panasonic rep wasn’t nearby when you did the “hold by extended screen” trick - do you know how to administer CPR? Love your “littered with buttons” comment 😁- too many all over the cam might be an issue, or at least take time to get used to. Interesting how focus locked on animal skin pillow. Focus testing (contrast only) on final model will be key. BTW, just curious, at the end of the day do you get together and compare notes with the other UA-cam reviewers on site - several cameos in vid.
It was the European Panasonic rep that showed us it was safe to swing around my the screen! It’s not my standard modus operandi for camera testing, not sure what it proves other than don’t be worried about the odd knock. And yes, a lot of the US guys were at the event, which is unusual, as it is for us to be in the US. Sadly didn’t get time to talk everyone I would have liked, mainly as we are all so busy shooting then editing. Always have a chat with Mr Camera Labs Gordon Laing as I’ve known him for quite a few years now.
Feedback was interesting - a few comments about the AF in low light and the placement of the power button, though other liked it as won’t be easily knocked.
The car was the last straw... the lorry that was attempting to reverse around a corner for about 10mins before it finally managed to do it was the start... beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep... you get the idea
The choice of L mount is smart. Leica has already enough exceptional L mount lenses that are fully compatible with the Panasonic S1 and S1R. So the Panasonic is one step forward than Nikon Z cameras and Canon EOS R camera in the area of lenses. Of course Leica lenses are always very expensive. But you get what you pay. Also Panasonic was even smarter with the double memory card slots. Two serious steps forward than its recent Canon and Nikon rivals. What Panasonic offers with the double slots and the number of fully compatible lenses will be available by Canon and Nikon after two or three years. Panasonic S1 and S1R are the best choice for those who don't like the Sony full frame mirrorless cameras. The leica SL is full frame mirrorless too but is very very expensive, 5.500$ instead of Panasonic 2.500$ or 3.500$. Of course Panasonic cheaper full frame L mount lenses will be fully compatible with Leica SL and TL cameras too and that is nice for Leica lovers.
It’s a very smart move from all three companies. Each brings something different and it enables Panasonic (and Leica) to get a range of lenses very quickly. I think Leica will be pleased as they may sell more cameras with more (affordable) variety in the lens options. But the dark horse is Sigma. Traditionally it’s cameras haven’t sold - it was almost more of a concept based on the Foveon sensor. But the sensor is actually very good at low sensitivities for detail and colour. Now they could make a Foveon L mount camera (which they are planning) and there will be plenty of lenses available and an existing mount user base. All of a sudden it becomes an interesting landscape camera or a second body. Sigma are also working on an EF to L mount adapter. It is certainly going to offer some competition to Sony, Canon and Nikon... and is far from good news for Olympus and Pentax
Photogearnews Thank you for the reply. I appreciate your opinion. I used to take photos with an α mount Sony camera. Sigma was introducing very few α mount versions of its lenses. That made my unhappy. However nearly all Sigma lenses are sold with SA-mount. Sigma will soon replace SA-mount with L mount. Sigma creates great lenses with good prices and native L mount lenses by Sigma will be very popular by owners of Panasonic and Leica cameras. If Sigma starts to convert most of its existing lenses to L mount, Panasonic and Leica will have a very serious advantage. My opinion is that lenses are more important than cameras.
@@Photogearnews The dark horse is indeed Sigma. While I don't see a necessity in them releasing an L-mount camera, I do see it as a neciessity that they release a lens roadmap and do it soon. My bet is they have paired with Sigma moslty in order to get a lot of lenses out quick, a a resonable price. They should be fully aware of the fact that quite few people will spring for the Leica lenses, specially not in the start where the system, and alliance as a whole is more vulnerable and people are holding back. Panasonic will release 10 lenses by the end of 2020 and Sigma has said some 11-14 to come in 2019 but we have no idea which ones. They need to seriously release this information. I have an S1 on pre-order but if Sigma keeps their information locked down this might impact the decission to actually get the camera or not. Will they, for example, release the 500mm F4 sports? If not, the system will lack a super telephoto until Panasonic releases their Super telephoto in 2020 (as per the roadmap) and that Panasonic lens will most likley cost like a car.
Photogearnews I’m a bit concerned for Pentax as I shoot primarily with their K1 and K3 cameras. Their lack of innovation might prove to be their downfall. I hear there’s a new camera due to be released very soon - I’m patiently waiting but if it’s anything less than great for video (video auto focus, 4K etc) I’ll be leaving Pentax for good. The X-h1and this Panasonic both look really appealing to me.
It’s a real shame for Pentax users. I, like many, owned a K1000 when I was learning photography and they have such a history. I’d guess that there are more K-Mount lenses kicking around than any other and the frustrating thing is that the cameras are actually pretty good. In the early DSLR days they had some really nice cameras. I remember thinking that you had to work to get images as the evaluative metering was never that good, but having sensor stabilisation was a real advantage over Canon and Nikon. They struggled to move early on when everything shifted to mirrorless. They lost Samsung as a partner when the latter released its NX mirrorless cameras. The answer that Pentax had was the Pentax Q which was a terrible concept (did well initially Japan apparently, but amongst consumers not enthusiast photographers), and then there was the K-01. I liked the K-01 as a concept - but the design was terrible. It would have been a great bridge between DSLR and mirrorless, getting photographers used to the idea but without sacrificing the huge range of legacy glass for the mount. Those cameras and the resources and money that went in to them no doubt had a knock on effect on their DSLR range. Through in changes of ownership to Hoya then to Ricoh and new people come in with their own thoughts and ideas. I fear they will be the next iconic brand to disappear from the photo space, which would be incredibly sad ☹️
Absolutely right and I realised this when editing. The reason I didn’t refer to the G9 (and it wasn’t close to mind) is simply because it’s about the only camera from the last few years I’ve never actually even picked up yet!
Yeah, I mean you can actually see the crosshairs on the eye and see the eye pin sharp... and you obviously missed the bit where I said it was shot at f/4. Depth of field? Nice try scoring some internet points calling me a liar though bro. Hope it made you feel good 😂
@@@Photogearnews I am sorry, I really liked the video, but I have to disagree. The focus is not on the eye and neither on the nose. However, if you have a look at her lips and the skin below them you really see a crazy amount of detail. The structure of the skin, the small hairs... there is a crazy amount of detail visible. The eye in comparison seems kind of blurry. The picture in general looks still amazing though. Really looking forward to that camera!
Geez, Dude! When you held the camera by the screen, you could have at least grabbed the strap with your free hand. Such unthinking mistakes are why I subscribe to very few photo channels, and yours won't be one of them...
When the Panasonic rep does it in the camera presentation I felt confident doing myself. Sorry you haven’t the disposition to cope with our channel. All the best
If you find the content breakdown below useful, hit the thumbs up button so I can judge whether to do it again in the future.
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So many features, nowhere near enough time with the camera to go through everything!
Apologies the audio clips slightly at times... here's the video breakdown
0:00 - Intro - Intro to Cameras
0:53 - L Mount Alliance, LENSES and ROADMAP
1:22 - Build and Handling
2:00 - I'm not a fan of the handgrip
2:15 - Buttons Everywhere!
2:40 - Also not a fan of the On/Off switch location
3:01 - Top LCD screen
3:19 - Rear LCD and HUGED
3:34 - Why no front facing screen?
4:12 - DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME
4:30 - Weight comparison with competition
4:47 - Run through the rear and Touchscreen
5:04 - Dual cards slots
5:20 - Connections
5:37 - quick run through of video
6:07 - Quick video example with AF and stabilisation
6:52 - Slow motion mode
7:16 - Portraits + eye detection example
8:00 - Animal/Cushion detection AF
8:17 - 50mm f/1.4 talk and examples
8:45 - ooohhh shutter sounds nice
9:02 - High Resolution shooting mode
9:33 - EVF is AMAZING!
9:46 - Guy walks out with dog
10:05 - Shut up
10:07 - Battery
10:29 - First impressions
10:55 - Weather sealing
11:00 - Back to AF first impressions
11:56 - PRICES!
12:16 - HALF A SECOND HANDHELD!!!
That "Shut up" was refreshing ^_^
Trying to film on the streets of Barcelona was a bit of a nightmare... as I’m sure you can imagine. Cars beeping, lorries reversing, people just walking in front of shot... and we generally only ever get a couple of hours to do everything. I was pretty stressed by the end of it all.
Unless me ‘shutting up’ was refreshing.. will never happen 😉
@@Photogearnews Yeah I can imagine. Not an ideal situation. Although it is nice to see the streets and people in the background. It has its charms. Well done.
4:14 First review of a camera held and shaked by the lcd screen :)) crazyyy test dude!!
Great video! I’ve watched every single test and review so far! Really enjoyed your insights and tests especially the portrait shots. You did a great well rounded job for only having it a couple hours! Much appreciated!
Thank you Tyler! 🙏
Not making any excuses - I just do what I can in the time and situation I’m dealt with. Some guys do it better, but often have someone shooting video so everything is a little more polished.
And of course, you just can’t cover everything in the few hours we have.
What do you think of the camera/s?
@@PhotogearnewsNo excuses needed, you did great. I'm very excited for the S1. For the right person it is going to be great. For me I have been waiting to upgrade to a decent photo/video hybrid so i can stop carrying my GH4 and canon dslr everywhere I go and just bring 1 camera. Long time panasonic video shooter wanting to upgrade to full frame. I'm very excited for it. Already the Autofocus fixes between 0.5 to 0.7 firmware we have seen this week alone makes me very excited for the S1.
@@TylerRostedt did you end up buying it?
AcidicDelusion yup! I did a review on my channel after 1 month of use!
Thanks for a good hands on!
10:07 “shut up” is priceless 👌🏼😂
Ha. I wondered with to put it in or out. Given the amount of people walking in and out of shot I just felt it added to the general feeling of frustration that you sometimes have trying to film these things.
Hi! Thanks for the video! Very interesting, if yo want to buy one? S1 or A7III?
Panasonic’s argument about flipscreen at 3‘38‘‘ is a bit silly. Isn‘t the GH5 a professional camera? I should think so. The G9 also has a flipscreen and unhindered access to HDMI, headphone jack etc.. There are rumours about Canon having patented the flipscreen for FF cameras. Not sure about that, but the lack of flipscreen certainly is a negative. Not so much from a vlogging perspective, as you wouldn‘t vlog with this brick anyway. It is about flexibility for tricky angles where the flippy really is helpful.
Looks pretty good to me! ...What was Gordon Lang saying to you?
10:05 cracked me up 😂 Great video!
Thanks CM-R
Richard how do you like the s1 compared to the z6?
Not used the Z6 aside from the launch event so my opinion is pretty much purely on handling - and full disclosure, I was a Nikon user before switching to Sony - I’d get the Z6 of the two.
That view, again, is based on size, weight and general handling. It doesn’t taking image quality or AF in to account at all as not really used AF on either and the S1 isn’t final firmware (and come to think of it not was the Z6 I used).
Where the S1 absolutely slays the Z6 is the image stabilisation (perhaps on the new Olympus better?) and the EVF is just a thing of loveliness.
There are a few other nice features of the S1, loads in fact, but it’s just the handling, and again, it may purely come down to familiarity here.
Oh, the price of those Panasonic lenses too... I think the Sigma EF-L Mount adapter is going to sell very well!
@@Photogearnews fair enough. Thanks for the reply!
I like what this camera has to offer but the autofocus is really bothering me at 6:24
Yes... again please remember it is pre-production and the AF isn’t final. I was also very close which often means if the focus goes out it struggles a lot more than if the subject was, say, another metre further away.
That said without phase detect AF I do think it will struggle with low light video. It’s certainly something I’ll be looking very closely at in a full test
That's some crazy white balance in the studio setup! 😂
Flash WB - but of course the normal light was amber/tungsten so looks wrong in the viewfinder 👍
👍Good job on a pre-production model. Tough duty in Barcelona! Hope Panasonic rep wasn’t nearby when you did the “hold by extended screen” trick - do you know how to administer CPR? Love your “littered with buttons” comment 😁- too many all over the cam might be an issue, or at least take time to get used to. Interesting how focus locked on animal skin pillow. Focus testing (contrast only) on final model will be key. BTW, just curious, at the end of the day do you get together and compare notes with the other UA-cam reviewers on site - several cameos in vid.
It was the European Panasonic rep that showed us it was safe to swing around my the screen! It’s not my standard modus operandi for camera testing, not sure what it proves other than don’t be worried about the odd knock.
And yes, a lot of the US guys were at the event, which is unusual, as it is for us to be in the US. Sadly didn’t get time to talk everyone I would have liked, mainly as we are all so busy shooting then editing. Always have a chat with Mr Camera Labs Gordon Laing as I’ve known him for quite a few years now.
Feedback was interesting - a few comments about the AF in low light and the placement of the power button, though other liked it as won’t be easily knocked.
Great to hear what you think, and to know I'm not the only one that tells cars to shut up XD
The car was the last straw... the lorry that was attempting to reverse around a corner for about 10mins before it finally managed to do it was the start... beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep... you get the idea
@@Photogearnews XD
The choice of L mount is smart. Leica has already enough exceptional L mount lenses that are fully compatible with the Panasonic S1 and S1R.
So the Panasonic is one step forward than Nikon Z cameras and Canon EOS R camera in the area of lenses.
Of course Leica lenses are always very expensive. But you get what you pay. Also Panasonic was even smarter with the double memory card slots.
Two serious steps forward than its recent Canon and Nikon rivals.
What Panasonic offers with the double slots and the number of fully compatible lenses will be available by Canon and Nikon after two or three years.
Panasonic S1 and S1R are the best choice for those who don't like the Sony full frame mirrorless cameras.
The leica SL is full frame mirrorless too but is very very expensive, 5.500$ instead of Panasonic 2.500$ or 3.500$. Of course Panasonic cheaper full frame L mount lenses will be fully compatible with Leica SL and TL cameras too and that is nice for Leica lovers.
It’s a very smart move from all three companies. Each brings something different and it enables Panasonic (and Leica) to get a range of lenses very quickly. I think Leica will be pleased as they may sell more cameras with more (affordable) variety in the lens options.
But the dark horse is Sigma. Traditionally it’s cameras haven’t sold - it was almost more of a concept based on the Foveon sensor. But the sensor is actually very good at low sensitivities for detail and colour. Now they could make a Foveon L mount camera (which they are planning) and there will be plenty of lenses available and an existing mount user base. All of a sudden it becomes an interesting landscape camera or a second body.
Sigma are also working on an EF to L mount adapter.
It is certainly going to offer some competition to Sony, Canon and Nikon... and is far from good news for Olympus and Pentax
Photogearnews Thank you for the reply. I appreciate your opinion.
I used to take photos with an α mount Sony camera. Sigma was introducing very few α mount versions of its lenses. That made my unhappy. However nearly all Sigma lenses are sold with SA-mount. Sigma will soon replace SA-mount with L mount. Sigma creates great lenses with good prices and native L mount lenses by Sigma will be very popular by owners of Panasonic and Leica cameras.
If Sigma starts to convert most of its existing lenses to L mount, Panasonic and Leica will have a very serious advantage.
My opinion is that lenses are more important than cameras.
@@Photogearnews The dark horse is indeed Sigma. While I don't see a necessity in them releasing an L-mount camera, I do see it as a neciessity that they release a lens roadmap and do it soon. My bet is they have paired with Sigma moslty in order to get a lot of lenses out quick, a a resonable price. They should be fully aware of the fact that quite few people will spring for the Leica lenses, specially not in the start where the system, and alliance as a whole is more vulnerable and people are holding back. Panasonic will release 10 lenses by the end of 2020 and Sigma has said some 11-14 to come in 2019 but we have no idea which ones. They need to seriously release this information. I have an S1 on pre-order but if Sigma keeps their information locked down this might impact the decission to actually get the camera or not. Will they, for example, release the 500mm F4 sports? If not, the system will lack a super telephoto until Panasonic releases their Super telephoto in 2020 (as per the roadmap) and that Panasonic lens will most likley cost like a car.
Photogearnews I’m a bit concerned for Pentax as I shoot primarily with their K1 and K3 cameras. Their lack of innovation might prove to be their downfall. I hear there’s a new camera due to be released very soon - I’m patiently waiting but if it’s anything less than great for video (video auto focus, 4K etc) I’ll be leaving Pentax for good. The X-h1and this Panasonic both look really appealing to me.
It’s a real shame for Pentax users. I, like many, owned a K1000 when I was learning photography and they have such a history. I’d guess that there are more K-Mount lenses kicking around than any other and the frustrating thing is that the cameras are actually pretty good.
In the early DSLR days they had some really nice cameras. I remember thinking that you had to work to get images as the evaluative metering was never that good, but having sensor stabilisation was a real advantage over Canon and Nikon.
They struggled to move early on when everything shifted to mirrorless. They lost Samsung as a partner when the latter released its NX mirrorless cameras. The answer that Pentax had was the Pentax Q which was a terrible concept (did well initially Japan apparently, but amongst consumers not enthusiast photographers), and then there was the K-01.
I liked the K-01 as a concept - but the design was terrible. It would have been a great bridge between DSLR and mirrorless, getting photographers used to the idea but without sacrificing the huge range of legacy glass for the mount.
Those cameras and the resources and money that went in to them no doubt had a knock on effect on their DSLR range. Through in changes of ownership to Hoya then to Ricoh and new people come in with their own thoughts and ideas.
I fear they will be the next iconic brand to disappear from the photo space, which would be incredibly sad ☹️
It's more like a big chunky G9 than a GH5
Absolutely right and I realised this when editing. The reason I didn’t refer to the G9 (and it wasn’t close to mind) is simply because it’s about the only camera from the last few years I’ve never actually even picked up yet!
Good ol' artlist music
You cannot beat it....
... until it gets used too much and someone spots it😂
Some good stuff on there though!
@@Photogearnews heh, the only reason why I know it is I used that song in a recent project
I had something similar on a previous job when I heard the same music on two different television adverts within a few months of each other
lol, at 8:40 its focuses not on the eye!!! the focus was on the nose and cheek!!! dont lie!!!!
Yeah, I mean you can actually see the crosshairs on the eye and see the eye pin sharp... and you obviously missed the bit where I said it was shot at f/4. Depth of field?
Nice try scoring some internet points calling me a liar though bro.
Hope it made you feel good 😂
... here’s a screen grab to help you out.
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@@@Photogearnews
I am sorry, I really liked the video, but I have to disagree. The focus is not on the eye and neither on the nose. However, if you have a look at her lips and the skin below them you really see a crazy amount of detail. The structure of the skin, the small hairs... there is a crazy amount of detail visible. The eye in comparison seems kind of blurry.
The picture in general looks still amazing though. Really looking forward to that camera!
@@luisneumannp2748 we are talking about her left eye, right? The lips do look super clear.
Geez, Dude! When you held the camera by the screen, you could have at least grabbed the strap with your free hand. Such unthinking mistakes are why I subscribe to very few photo channels, and yours won't be one of them...
When the Panasonic rep does it in the camera presentation I felt confident doing myself.
Sorry you haven’t the disposition to cope with our channel.
All the best