Diane Downs' Desynchronized Body Language is UNSETTLING | Nonverbal Analyst Reacts
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- Elizabeth Diane Downs was born on August 7, 1955, and had a traumatic childhood. At the age of 14, she dropped her first name in order to go by the name Diane Downs. In 1973, Diane married Steve Downs, and their first child, Christie, was born a year later in 1974. Their daughter, Cheryl, followed in 1976, with Stephen Daniel being born in 1979. The couple divorced in 1980. 3 years later, Downs fatally shot her daughter and attempted to do so with her other two children in 1983, which some attribute to be due to the fact that her new love interest said that he was uninterested in being a father to children. Following the crimes, she told multiple different versions of a story to the police about how a man had attempted to carjack her and had shot the children. She was convicted in 1984 and sentenced to life in prison plus fifty years. In 1987, Downs escaped for a short time but was found and re-imprisoned. She was denied parole in December 2008 and again in December 2010. Her next hearing is to be set for some time in 2021.
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Diane: "I don't feel very lucky!"
me: Right because you lost a chi--
Diane: "I couldn't tie my shoe for 2 months!"
"I'm going to have a little scar on my arm"
That was exactly what I was thinking. Not one mention of her kids, not even a tear. No emotions at all.
*frowny voice smiley face*
“And to make matters worse I didn’t even have a kid to tie them for me.”
Also her; "I wasn't lucky, my children were the lucky ones, if I had been shot we'd all be dead"
White chicks!!!
This woman's entire demeanor throughout these clips is one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen. She's describing witnessing her children get violently murdered right in front of her with the same nonplussed tone as someone would use to tell a story about accidentally buying skim milk instead of 2%. There's just something so fundamentally... wrong about it all.
Agreed, her entire demeanor is so off putting
I’ve lost a child unexpectedly, and it was at least a year before I could smile. There is no real sadness in her eyes, more delight in talking about her daughters blood! Insane.
@@aufan7134 I'm sorry for your loss. And the loss of those children here who did not have a mother but a monster.
@@Edelwiess1066 Cheryl died but her other two children survived. The boy lost the use of his legs. Christie, her daughter, testified against her at her trial. Both of them were adopted by the prosecuting attorney. There was a book about the case, "Small Sacrifices." I think Ann Rule is the author.
It's like watching an alien....
“Children are so easy to conceive.” To her, children are disposable and easy to replace.
"My kids were lucky"
Fucking hell, I just can't. I would have just left that interview with her in complete disgust. And that "children are so easy to conceive" comment, like they are just toys she can use as she likes.
She doesn’t see them as their own people. She just wants what they give her, love. She sees them as replaceable because they all give the same thing. They aren’t people to her, just spawns to feed into her ego
Me when hijacked: Okay, okay, take the keys, take everything I don't care, just let me get my dogs out of the car.
Diane when hijacked: I need to get this man away from here. Also, society entraps us and I don't like that.
She was such an idiot to think that people would believe her (that is, if she even thought it out to that extent). Why would she pull over in the 1st place at night, in a desolate area, with kids in the car? Why would they have shot her kids when SHE would have been the one to take the car from? There are many examples of mixed opinions when it comes to guilt or innocence, but in Diana Down's case, it's pretty much unanimous, she's guilty as hell
@@peggypeggy4137 Exactly!
Her story sounds memorized. She also intersperses it with explanations of items to prove her innocence which raises my antenna. Also, she supposedly thought all about her childhood, her place in society and the limitations of her physical size all in one moment.
I think the most disturbing part, was when she said she won't see Cheryl anymore, at least not on this Earth, she looked... relieved 😔
Right?! Super relieved.
@@calimango7926 Christie was Diane's favorite child and Cheryl was her most problematic one. According to the book Small Sacrifices, about a week before her death, Cheryl actually told one of her grandmother's neighbors that she was scared of Diane and she was afraid that Diane was planning to kill her.
This sounds like she is reading a diary entry in a fictional novel.
Unfortunately, there is no fiction in this story except her story of events
Yeah she sounds like she is just narrating every aspect of the case with unnecessary description, considering her situation, such as saying one of her children were crying *softly*
She is actually smiling when describing how her child died and the amount of blood coming from her mouth. She is even smiling when she is recollecting her death -and mentioning that she later om conceived a child "just because it is so easy for me". She is so very much "Me, me, me"
Lots of duping delight..inappropriate smiles, laughter. And that famous moment of her smile. Sick. I think she’s enjoying reliving the murders, she can’t hold the smiling back. All this storytelling is a strategy to divert from the truth. What is equally as disturbing, is that like she said, why would she not kill all her children and leave witnesses? I think she knew to get away with this, she had to leave at least one child surviving, and planned to control that child for the rest of their lives through abuse to keep quiet, or get rid of them soon after with an ‘accident’. She doesn’t seem the type to be comfortable with loose ends. And the interviewer is visibly leaning away..the hair on the back of her neck must be on end.
She had been prohibited from speaking to her children, and her stupid-as-fuck ex let her go away with her daughter for hours.
@@terriquinlan7683 Omgosh why would he do that
@@melt7891 He didn't want to believe it was her. She always pushed a hard sell. Her severely traumatized daughter, who at that point literally could not speak, was driven away from her father, and only they know what was said.
@@melt7891 This was in the time when she knew that the heat was closing in. The cops didn't want to arrest her until they thought that they had a solid case. They had one shot at a conviction, no weapon and no apparent motive.
Duper's Delight was the first thing I noticed too... Is that a sign of a sociopath?
The “trying on” of roles to elicit a response from the interviewer seems more like an attempts of a psychopath to get a cue that she’s displaying the “correct” response rather than seeking attention for attention’s sake
Yeah. That’s what they’re good at. They have an ability to zero in on what the other person wants to hear. And if I say it, it must be true. You believe me, don’t you?
Yea, that smile after she says "that haunts me the most" is the most telling. She didn't know the correct emotion/thing to do in that situation so feeling the tension of the awkward silence she did what seemed to appease and has worked before which is a smile but that felt off to anyone who'd be watching because that wasn't the correct thing to do in this situation.
During such a pause after telling such a harrowing and horrifc experience most people would just stare silently or have that "thousand yard" stare. Not flash an "appeasing" smile.
@@mickys333 yes!! you worded my thoughts perfectly.
Did you know....tha interview wher Diane said kids are so easy to conceive....that interviewer said years later she had to stop the interview because she got sick to her stomach. You can tell that she is upset. She has tears in her eyes and Diane is just matter of fact no emotion.
malignant monster .... I'm speechless !
Why is it always the moms who lost their kid and is accused of killing them SMILES when they're interviewed
what gets me is the way she smiles and smirks, especially when talking about blood
First thing I notice is her duper's delight smirk during her news interviews.
The smile when she talked about her daughter bleeding from her mouth.. dear lord.. I mean there was much more to see but damn..
Edit: when he said "if you've ever fired a gun before..."
Me: "why would I.. oh right america."
“You can’t replace children, but you can replace the feeling they give you” ..... such an odd and disturbing thing to say under any context like what is wrong with you
Holy cow this lady is terrifying - the dead eyes, the sadistic smirk describing her daughter bleeding from the mouth
Right.. can’t imagine anyone being like that but they really do exist. It’s incredibly upsetting & terrifying.
This video made me sick to my stomach
@@chimene3851Horrible this woman is laughing about shoelaces? What a monster....
EVERY damn time she described the blood from her daughter's mouth, she grinned. This video actually really got to me in a way I didn't expect. She's a sadist.
@@MsTammi125 thanks for the heads up! I'll be skipping this one👍
The way she smiled when she was describing the blood coming out of her child’s mouth. Her head was down, and she quickly changed her expression but there was a very clear smile, like she was remembering something funny. Also the way she spoke about children “you can’t replace them but you can replace what they do for you” “they give me love” like that’s so creepy
she says "you cant replace them" yet right after says "but children are so easy to concieve" as if she thinks of them like an object she lost and just need to go buy a new one :/. That's the most disturbing part to me.
@@gemmaross1665 And then there’s people who have trouble conceiving and desperately want children and would treat them so well and people like her just pop them out so they can discard them when they are not convenient anymore 😞
@@Catglittercrafts SO true and so sad 🥺
The sad thing is she's right. Children *will* love their parents unconditionally, even if they're physically/sexually abused. I know this because my mom used to work for Child Protective Services.
Damned Creepy!! And watch the look on the interviewer's face when the show her... she's disgusted.
Her daughter died, but she’s complaining about not being able to tie her shoelaces for 2 months....
Yeah seriously, inconvenience is worse to her than death apparently 🤦🏻♀️
Yep, that's the part that stuck out to me the most, too. I have 3 kids, and I can't imagine focusing on something so selfishly trivial in that situation!! I'm consumed with guilt for every potential wrong choice I've made for my kids...and they're all healthy and alive. I can't even imagine how broken I'd become if I had made the choice to stop for some random stranger, and it cost my children their lives!
she's trying to be relatable, but nothing else in her narrative adds up
She'll remember it forever, she has a scar on her arm.
I first thought that meant that she was so in shock that she couldn't do normal everyday tasks like tie her shoes but now that I know she meant it in the way of i can't tie my shoes because my arm hurts kind of way, I feel that she's just plain dumb for thinking that would help her..
"I wasn't very lucky" "My kids were lucky" who says that? Psycho.
you dont understand. her arm REALLY hurt! 😪
I thought when she said she wasn't lucky that she was going to follow with something like losing your kids is a mother's worst nightmare, then she talks about her scar on her arm.
I know...😳
She had a hard time tying her shoes. (I heard her say that in another interview). Boo hoo, and she has a scar.
Children: dying slowly
Diane: I was thinking of my entrapment by society
I think maybe that was what she was thinking when she killed them.
@@UrbanwarriorTheSOV I agree
« I didn’t feel lucky, I couldn’t tie my own damn shoes » 😂
This is the thing that originally made me think she's guilty. Who head-cannons a sociological paper on the personal effects of societal entrapment WHILE THEIR KIDS ARE BLEEDING OUT
Ya idk if the leader if the feminists would even think about the role in society that they play theres a point where all views go away and it would b pure human emotion showing maybe if it was a man she would blame his gender but she was gloating and wanted to b caught
I’m no expert. But the way she smiled when she said “ugh all the blood just gushing out of her mouth” tells all.
I was five when I first saw her on television and I knew this was a dangerous person without understanding what the story was. It makes me wonder how grown adults can be blind enough (or desperate enough) to want anything to do with her.
RIGHT ✅..SHES A FOOL
@@colleenhanna5383 how is she a fool ?
@@nuages8915 Really..??
@@colleenhanna5383 yes really 😐
I am usually not a fan of saying someone's reacting wrongly to a tragedy. Everyone grieves differently. But this woman sounds so... conversational. It's like she's talking about the weather, not about a horrific experience she supposedly endured.
She was also smiling, goofing around and showing off for the cameras while reenacting what happened that night.
I feel like the act brought her pleasure. When she talks about the blood she lights up
The lead prosecutor in the case against her, Fred Hugi, along with his wife, adopted her two surviving eldest children. Her baby daughter that she had in prison was adopted by another loving family, the Babcocks. When she was older she tried writing to Diane, which started off seemingly okay, but Diane turned strange and nasty as she does, and Rebecca (as she is now called) eventually considered it a mistake and regards her biological mother as a monster.
Thanks for the update! She’s a real gem…. 👎🏼 I’m glad her surviving children were raised by good families.
@@boomersoonerbaby3466 yes me too diane is exactly where she belongs
I watched that Dr. Phil episode... was it Dr. Phil? Or something else on A&E.. it was a horrifying story. Diane smiled and modeled her way through the press as she was escorted to and from prison, holding her baby bump like it was a prized possession. She said she got pregnant again because she missed her kids. Like WHAT!! She was evil and seriously deranged.
When she says "if I had shot my own kids to death, wouldnt you think I'd have done a better job than this?" It gave me chills.
@@chelseapthib36 why didnt she get the death penalty?
@@Shellygrrl2573 ummm I dont remember. Lemme see if I can find out
she sure does laugh and smile alot while talking about her dead kids.
One of them died; Cheryl her second born.
She laughed and joked during the re-enactment of her story of shooting.
She's a sociopath
because we live in a society
Duper’s delight
“CHILDREN ARE SO EASILY CONCEIVED” sent shivers down my spine!!!
I agree!! It was chilling
that was definitely the worst thing she said, imo. it was so gross
Super gross of her 🤢 the rage that women who haven't been able to conceive children that they WOULD love must feel when they hear her say that...... unimaginable.
I thought the same thing. "Oh, I don't like that kid. I'm gonna kill her and make another one". Scary and freaking crazy.
@@sommerjean7698 it is absolutely disgusting. I could only have one safely, but I always wanted another. I'm fine with not being able to now, but other women who do want children can't yet she conceives and kills her own children is just rage inducing.
Her smile is EXACTLY what you would see if someone told you to imagine a creepy, purely villainous grin. So scary.
She literally looks like this 💀
It really is.
It gave me shivers!! I was literally scared when I saw the smile. Devil, just devil.
that interviewer is leaning away too! like she's repelled by Diane
I wouldn't even want to sit near her. She radiates pure evil.
i noticed that too. and the word "repulsed" came to mind. she also looked horrified. like that reporter was repulsed and freaked out at the same time. that mom is a crazy lunatic
Agreed
AGREED
She laughed when she was talking about all the blood coming out of her daughters mouth?!?! Not just once, multiple times. She couldn't stop herself grinning as she talked about it.
That's duping delight. I noticed it years ago but didn't know that there was a term used to describe this behavior by certain people. Very strange and unsettling
Because shes an absolute psychopath.. she gets off on causing others pain. No matter if they're her own children, she does not have the brain capacity to care for another.
She is a true psychopath!
Because she's getting a reaction to it from the other person, meaning that she's taking glee from her crimes. It's very gruesome in description and most people would be disgusted, so she goes to it often for shock value.
Ur own child... Almost unbelievable
I must say, thank you once again, for having this channel. As an autistic person, I have always had a very intense obsession, with nonverbal body language and social cues. Your channel has always helped me figure out people in different situations. I probably wouldn’t be able to mask my disability, if it wasn’t for channels like this and in retrospect; I wouldn’t be able to partially understand Neurotypical people, if it wasn’t for these types of channels. You do a grand service for people like me. So thank you for your work. :)
Hehe same, this, psychology, sociology and anthropology, just my autistic brain trying to understand this world and those weird neurotypicals 🥲
Actress, writer, and avid student of psychology here, diagnosed with ASPD (Sociopath). So, I, too, have a great interest in body language, micro-expressions, etc. I have a fascination with the "normal" range of emotion, and its expression. Also the abnormal. If you did not know, the antisocial share certain features with those in the autistic spectrum-mainly in problems with intimacy in relationships, the translation of thought to emotion (mostly done by the Diencephalon and Limbic System), and...if I recall, you guys also have trouble with empathy. Yes? Remorse? Not sure on that. Either way, some similar features, and we were drawn here for, basically, the same reasons. Have you ever checked out reaction videos on here? I love watching people react to certain films, like Schindler's List. It has captivated me for hours.
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Prima Lena
@@hashtagmate Actress, writer, and avid student of psychology here, diagnosed with ASPD (Sociopath). So, I, too, have a great interest in body language, micro-expressions, etc. I have a fascination with the "normal" range of emotion, and its expression. Also the abnormal. If you did not know, the antisocial share certain features with those in the autistic spectrum-mainly in problems with intimacy in relationships, the translation of thought to emotion (mostly done by the Diencephalon and Limbic System), and...if I recall, you guys also have trouble with empathy. Yes? Remorse? Not sure on that. Either way, some similar features, and we were drawn here for, basically, the same reasons. Have you ever checked out reaction videos on here? I love watching people react to certain films, like Schindler's List. It has captivated me for hours.
@@primalena8634 autistic people lack mirror neurons, i think antisocials do to? This makes empathy in the moment harder, because i can only feel with you if i actually realize that you are feeling smth 😂 but generally we do feel empathy, in some cases (like mine) we are actually way way too empathetic but idk other autistic ppl may struggle with empathy i can't speak for everyone :) i wouldn't know that we struggle with remorse, although if i break a rule knowingly and willingly because that stupid rule doesnt make any sense then i sure wont feel remorse for breaking said rule ^^ so yes we definitely have some common ground and we share the most important thing in common: we are all humans :)
@@hashtagmate Hmmn. That's interesting. I have not heard about the issue with mirror neurons, so I do not know if that is the same in ASPD. I should think not-at least in most cases. The antisocial tend to be good at reading emotion in others. They just often cannot empathize-or they can to a limited degree. It sounds like what you're saying is that the lack of mirror neurons in the autistic makes it difficult for them to understand what others are feeling in order to empathize, but that if they understand what you are feeling, they may be able to relate in that way. I can see why reading body language would be especially useful for you then. I did not think that the autistic tend to have trouble with remorse. Did I write that? If so, sorry, it was an error. I have been writing on ASPD quite a bit recently, for various reasons, so I may have just gone on auto and added that symptom. Learning what is more standard in body language helps me to emulate, physically, a more natural expression of emotion, as I, due to the ASPD, have thought-to-emotion connectivity issues. That occurs in Limbic System, but I do not believe the exact neurological causes or distinctions have been found in our case. I tend to study it more from a psychological standpoint.
Okay, this isn't nonverbal but the fact that her first concern when people tell her that she is so lucky is that she couldn't tie her shoes for 2 months and that she has a scar on her arm that'll last forever, and not the fact that she LOST HER DAUGHTER, is disgusting.
That was to get control over the situation again
Watch the video of her re-enacting the crime and she's just having the funnest time. It's bizarre and unsettling.
Right? Like she almost had it with the "pretend I am real hu-man" response of "I don't feel lucky" if she had just followed it up with "because I lost my children" 👍 bingo, in the clear..... But she just couldn't resist making it about her...
I would bet my life not a single person, much less "everybody," told her "she was sure was lucky" to begin with. Most people would say, "I would've been praying to die with them. I wouldn't want to live another minute after losing all my kids," but in her world, it's reasonable to suggest that people would be telling her how lucky she is to have escaped with her own all-important life. In her mind, IF this actually did happen to a young mother, she would be "lucky."
Thanks for stating the obvious
She's talking like she's telling her own script to her own hero movie, as if she's trying to sell the script to a producer.
I thought the same
Exactly
Such a good way to describe this vile woman and her behavior
She’s certainly memorized her script. It sounds like she’s reading a rehearsed book report.
She doesn’t seem to form a real attachment to others. People are replaceable.
And she kept repeating the phrase "trapped by society". I'm thinking she felt trapped in the role as mother and decided to do something about it like normal people might quit jobs or relationships they feel trapped in
She's pure damaged evil
I feel the same way about mothers who get pregnant because they feel good during pregnancy. That's only 9.5 months or so. The child of the venture has to live with u NOT feeling good.
@@clementine2001 ..........She won the gold in the "There's more where that came From" olympics.
Only "replaced" if they'd be of use to her.
"lol my kids were murdered but I can just pop out another so it can make me feel loved 😃😃" god I haaaate that last line. It's so unsettling, its so wrong.
kids: literally dying from their wounds
diane: starts having a fucking anime flashback and reciting philosophy about society that would make Freud cry
yeah sure hun that sounds believable
it must've been after some reconsideration that she determined she'd be seen in a more sympathetic light if she set herself up as a feminist hero other women could look up to. so gross and transparent
"anime flashback" is such a perfect way of putting it lol. Like nobody starts thinking woke thoughts in that kind of situation. No one.
COULD, and I just say "could" it not be an honest person's psycological attempt to sound intelligent? Like: this horrible event happend, but I don't want to sound like an idiot, reacting on my spine like a darn dinosaur, so I will make it sound like I had some bigger thoughts here. She COULD have had the reflecting on socity-thoughts afterwards and now claim it to be something she thought during the action? (still a lie, but smaller) If her family took a lot of pride on being intelligent in her childhood for example, and that's still very important for her. Do you get me?
I don't believe in anything I'm saying myself in this cause, she appears very guilty - but with another person, couldn't that be the cause?
@@MaleneMaare yes, all people rationalize their past behavior to enhance their self-image. that's a benefit of hindsight. in most cases, it's over a harmless or benign sequence of choices and events. in this instance, it's offensive because she's facing serious charges for murder and attempted murder against her own young children, and none of the evidence supports her heroic version of the story
"anime flashback" got me
She seemed excited about the story she was telling. She obviously wasn’t grieving.
She loves attention.
Horrible she is smiling troughout. No emotions in her eyes. Enjoying all the attention she is getting. She is scary to watch lost all humanity. An absoluut psychopath
I thought she loved the attention she was getting from this.
She's a narcissist
Almost as though she was excited because she really believed they were buying into her story.
I think it’s awesome that the lead prosecutor and his wife adopted this psycho’s two surviving children, Christie and Danny. What great people they are.
God bless that man.
He didn’t have to, but he did. He and his wife are good people.
I wonder what happened to the baby she was pregnant with
@@seemsprettygaytome6116 She had a girl and she was adopted and grew up in Bend, Oregon. ABC did a story on her. (Now as an adult) Her name is Becky Babcock. If you goggle her name, her story should come up.
@@seemsprettygaytome6116 got put up for adoption. She ended up reaching out to her years later but regrets it because Diane literally sounds insane in the letters she sent
@@SpeedyWeedyYT what did the letters say?
The body language of the interviewer at 29:57 is very telling (she is “making herself small” as they say - I think she is picking up on Diane’s insane signals and understands that she is a dangerous violent psycho)
What stuck out is that when she discusses her child’s death she proceeds saying something very suspicious then catching herself and over lapping it when something eles like “I didn’t want them to die” and another thing she likes to discribe herself as a hero for driving them to the hospital. Then she goes on by making it sound like she’s the victim and the kids are the “lucky” ones and brushes off their passing as “children are easy to make” i don’t see no guilt or shame the emotion she gives off is narcissistic cuz she used two things to make her look better/hero like and played the victim compared to her kids
What you're describing is what she said not her nonverbal communication which is what this entire video and channel is about.
Watch out the non-verbal communication Nazis are out in force. Your not allowed to discuss any aspect of... well... anything, unless its non-verbal communication. BTW how are your petunias doing this year?
In any case, I agree with all of your above observations and fell appaled at her ' cheap and disposable' attitude to the suffering and replacement of children.
With regard to the false bravado about her 'knoble and responsible' act of delivering those kids to the hospital, and how incriminating it would be to do so, yet the fact she did is now being spun by her as a defence, that if you were guilty you wouldn't do it.
That's trying to have it both ways and if she were right that its a worthy point of counter incrimination, then we might just as well say we'd expect a guilty party to do it, for the reasons she gave that it aught to aswage suspicion.
Finally to the risk of saving the lives of a child who might later give incriminating testimony and so why risk that. I think she knows as do we all, that it would be FAR more incriminating if she'd tried to avoid getting help and not made a pretence at trying to rescue them. Far more suspicious, is why the anonymous killer make much more effort to kill those children, and leave their adult parent if good enough health to drive away. What motive and what strategy satisfies that scenario?
Ya. The kids are the lucky ones. Wow! So sad, such a monster.
@@skepticusmaximus184 amirite? anyway why are fire hydrants so appealing to dogs?
She just have the hips of a bovine if kids are easy to make.
She was never giving her children any feelings or personality in her story. Only herself. And she didn't stutter, almost excitedly telling her story. She never looked sad or horrified.
She looked so bored when talking about her children’s bleeding except for Cheryl when she literally smiled and perked up talking about the blood gushing out of her mouth!! 😮
Yeah that's just sickening
thats exactly what i was gonna say. she looks like this is all just a bother to her
Everytime she mentions Cheryl's agonizing death, she smiles. Like she enjoys it. I don't see it when she mentions any of the others.
I wonder what that poor child did to deserve the extra contempt.
Its like she is rolling her eyes 😡
@@katherinecapach6353
TW: The way she spoke about having another baby after what she did .."it's easy to replace the feeling kids give you. A sense of purpose and unconditional love. You can't bring those particular children back, but you can make a new one. It's very easy to just have another baby" . Not verbatim...but it was sorta horrid to see how casually she spoke..
And the smile when she talks about the blood coming out of Christie's mouth. Wtf.
Agreed!!!! She made it all about her too.. she just wanted another kid to give HER love and purpose instead of having a child so she could give the baby those things! So casually easy for her to have another baby after murdering hers.. eerie. If I lost a child I feel like I would be emotional to be pregnant & having another(happy & excited to have a baby but still emotional and sad nonetheless because that would bring up memories of my child that I lost.. THAT is a normal response to someone who DIDN’T hurt their child!)
she showed up to court pregnant so they would feel bad for her. piece of trash. Then the baby was adopted. Years later when the baby became a teen, the teen reached out to her and then stopped because this murderous woman was accusing her of being a spy. crazy.
When I go to bed I cry at night 🙂
The way she describes the feelings the kids gave her gives away the whole mentality. They were tools to give her love and affection. Easy to make. Easy to "care for". Easy to end when it's not convenient to have them or when she can get more attention from them dying. No true grieving mother who just watched her daughter get shot, cough up blood the whole time, and die would ever say children are easy to replace.
"what's another 17 years? Ill make another kid"
She talks way, way too much. Too much detail in her recollection. Justifying her choices before anyone asked. Never looking away to recall, but keeping her eyes on her interviewer. The way she smiles @ 6:27 when she's looking right at the interviewer and says, "When I go to bed, I cry at night. I still cry at night." There's an obvious head shake when she says it and the smile could be "deceiver's delight" (?) . Certainly she does seem delighted to be having this conversation. From her expression you'd think she was making some clever banter at a cocktail party. And when she's done talking and she after a pause she smiles again, as if she can't help herself she's so pleased with her answer...
And she keeps bringing up all of these extraneous bizarre points: "we liked taking roads we didn't know"... "trapped by society"... "I feigned throwing away the keys". And complaining about her hand when she watched her kids die right in front of her...
And the look on her face when she describes her daughter bleeding. Her eyebrows are lifted like she recalling something sort of marvelous, instead of horrifying.
My conclusion: she shot her kids, and brought them to the hospital when they were nearly dead or already dead, to create some reasonable doubt that she was the perpetrator. As for motive: I think she's a psychopath and a narcissist and did it for attention. I think she wants people to think that she's smart and interesting, hence all of that nonsense about being trapped by society and the condescending way she dismisses the state's points about blood spatter patterns. Nonverbally @ 6:10, she shakes her head and sighs in a gesture that (to me) reads: "These idiot prosecutors I'm forced to deal with! I am so much smarter than they are."
That's what I thought she sure likes to talk and talking a lot get you in trouble
"Duper's delight" and you're right, she's got A LOT of that going on!
yup, there's no way she cries at night, she's just pissed because she got caught! Driving at 4mph, even with one arm literally chopped off I would get my kids to the hospital as quickly as I could. She wants sympathy for shooting herself lol!
Someone else pointed out the head shake when she said she cried at night! Yay 😅
She was seeing a married man who didn´t like kids. That´s the reason for why they say she killed them, so as to get rid of them. But after killing them, the man still wasn´t very enthusiastic with her as she would expected. There are many letters she wrote to him and all of them show her obsession. I don´t know exactly why she got pregnant again (not for the reason she says, she is a pathological liar, I mean, the real reason, I don´t know). But there is a movie about her and in the movie they show her having sex with a man she recently met and she got pregnant of him and he only wanted sex with her, nothing more.
“Jig of an intro” is so accurate lol. Yours is like the only intro that i don’t skip through. Love it. Short and sweet but also catchy and fun!
I love the part when the “Observe” comes out lol
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK
I try to get my fingers away from the skip ads and intro of Logan's channel. I don't mind skipping on big money channels, like ET or BuzzFeed. But the small business, nope. He's legit and I want Logan and his wife in my life forever.
yes! i agree ... love the intro
Yes! I prefer this one from his older into, so much. This one suits Logan better. :)
The thing that's always struck me about Diane Downs is that she isn't even able to PRETEND to be human. Most psychopaths are able to mask and feign human emotions well enough to fool the average person, but Diane Downs can't even fake it well enough to get past the most impercipient of us.
Everything is about her. Even the children’s existence and death is about her and how it effects her life. She is the victim, there was never really any concern or empathy for her children. They exist for her.
she even wants credit for "saving" her other kids' lives, as if that's not what a mother's first instinct would be. she said they were "lucky" she wasn't incapacitated. but if there really was another man shooting at them, an innocent person would just be so thankful to get them out of the situation
But you don't understand, she couldn't tie her own shoelaces for months! - this woman is utterly terrifying, honestly
“Children are so easy to conceive.” Chilling.
Human reproduction is always - risking future child's well-being. Noone can know in advance that their children's lives will be at least bearable. Risks are always present
Utterly chilling!!
Shows how much she values the lives of children
Is that what she said!? I just posted a comment asking what the last word was of that sentence. Because it sounded like "conceiv" but I guess my NON psychopath brain was like, surely that's not what she said! OMG what a total sociopath!
and she is so wrong about it. her words are a b!tchslap to everyone trying to have a baby but can't by various reasons, like infertility, disease, bodily malfunction whatsoever... she has no empathy. with no one. not even her own children.
“I don’t feel lucky, I couldn’t tie my shoelaces for two month,” 😳 she can’t even fake pretend like she cares about her children. No mother on the planet who lost her kids would ever care if they were in pain for a couple months while her kids were murd*ered
She doesn’t even pretend to be sad. This woman is deeply disturbed
She's a demon.
thats a fact
@@mrsx7944 I just see someone who isn't all there. But I don't think of evil as some sort of malign presence. It's more the lack of something positive. I never think it's something evil inside someone that causes them to do harm. It's always something missing, inside, that fails to stay their hand, or fails to supply them something constructive to do, just naturally crowding out the destructive.
"Why'd he do such a bad thing?"
"He didn't have it in him to do any better."
@@harrymills2770 I like your comment and the nice way you put it .. if only that was true!
But unfortunately there are Demonic spirits that will look to fill those "empty spaces" if people aren't careful..
( Which will often happen shortly after a devastating loss, trauma, or injustice, and/or temptation that can leave a person feeling overwhelmed & unable to cope during moments of despair. But these tempting spirits also have to be given permission to be let in).
As example: ever wonder why is Alcohol called "Spirits"?? It's because it is also an Extracting Substance. Which causes the human spirit (ie: conscience/consciousness/awareness) to leave the body and remain tethered outside the body during consumption, while the lingering demonic spirits - Lust, Anger, Violence, etc - will "hang out" nearby looking for an way to fill up that empty space and go for a "Joyride" when the person is intoxicated, or "under the influence")
There's no doubt in my mind this woman became possessed by demonic spirits at some point in her life. (and filled w/murderous, hateful & violent spirits to name a few)..
But the good news is that even though demons try to step in and destroy lives thru moments of brokenness or weakness/pain - there is also hope and another way by allowing Jesus and the Holy Spirit (also called the "Comforter & Messenger of Truth) to step in so people can heal and be given Power to overcome whatever they're going through!
@@harrymills2770 Naw. She bad.
"You can't replace children but you can replace how they make you feel." The most chilling statement of all! Then, the next breath complaining about her wounded arm as worse than her children's lives being ended. Truly a sociopath.
Actually, she was likely a Narcissist. You can see my comment above if you are interested.
That's the sickest thing hearing her talk about why she got pregnant again.
Apparently her diagnoses are psychopathy, narcissistic personality disorder and histrionic personality disorder. I can definitely see all three.
That psychopath must rot in jail.
She mentions being ‘trapped in a society’ and i think shes also referring to being trapped in her role as a mother and a caregiver
then why would she be happy about having another baby (ignoring the whole "they give me stuff" part of it)?
@@alianathefoxfairy some say she liked the attention she got while being pregnant and also to alleviate the intensity of her punishment. She got pregnant around the time of her trials so it seems very calculated.
I'm not sure but this also seems possible
Exactly what I was thinking too!
@@alianathefoxfairy She probably liked being pregnant but not being a mother, taking care of the baby.
@@psychadelicpotato8580 most likely. no person in their right mind would decide to get pregnant at such an uncertain point in their life. the difference is that she doesnt give a shit what the child feels like.
At the beginning, she sounds like she’s a news reporter, she sounds detached and it sounds too detailed, like she made up all the details and everything.
Being awkward on TV back then was really common because it was such a novelty to them and they felt like you had to behave a certain way on TV. But she's guilty anyway
Not knowing who she was I actually thought she was a reporter in the beginning!
It seemed like she enjoyed remembering the blood coming out of Kristy's mouth. She practically laughs about it. Otherwise, her face expression stays flat mostly.
All the smiling.. when she's discussing the horrific details, but during other times it's almost unemotive & sterile
She literally said: "I cry myself to sleep at night 😁"
@@several_goblins And?
@@natashahughes7900 wym? I was agreeing to the comment with an example...
@@several_goblins Ah ok 😂😂😂 misunderstood
@@natashahughes7900 lol np 😂
She doesn't see her kids as people, she sees them as objects that can give HER things.
This is very characteristic of narcissistic parents, I have a whole report
This is very common with parents in the US where many feel like they own their kids.
@@jenniferjamison4912 I guess all the helicopter parents would be the first clue .
All the assholes claiming "parental rights" over their kid's health and safety. The general attitude in this country that kids have zero rights to be safe from their parents desire to withhold healthcare.
Yeah her property not her children she s so creepy and a true narsisist
my notes:
the whole first clip of her telling the story is like someone badly reading from a script. it’s so spooky.
no facial expressions. maybe that’s just how she looks tho.
Talking about blood coming out of her daughter’s mouth while laughing/smiling.
“When I go to bed I cry at night” while smiling
“That hurts me the most” and immediately cracks a smile.
“I’m never gonna see cheryl on this earth again” with a big smile.
“children are so easy to conceive” with the biggest smile I’ve seen yet.
Creepy af
She tells the story of her kids dying like she's dramatically reenacting parts of a gritty noir novella.
Man: *Give me the car or your children die*
Diane: _We truly do live in a society_
Your comment was so funny. "We truly do live in a society"....sounds like a phrase from a high school graduation speech from the 80's.
Goodness i shouldn't be laughing but omg 😅
@@peggypeggy4137 i believe it's a reference to the joker movie.
To be fair that's not too off brand for a white person
@@minglifeng2862 We white people don't claim Diane Downs.
That freaky smile after talking about her dead and injured kids... *shudders*
Who thinks "I'm not trapped by society" when you have a stranger pointing a gun at you after shooting your kids?
and refers to gunshots as monotonous.
Interesting perspective-
Diane: my kids were lucky because if I had been shot, we all would have died
Normal person: luckily I was only shot in the arm and was able to drive us to get help
PS- according to witnesses, she drove way below the speed limit on the way to the hospital. Like she was making sure to give as much time as possible to guarantee they were unalive by the time they arrived. Disgusting.
I think it is weird that she talks about how long it took her to be able to use her arm again versus the death of her child or the trauma her children experienced.
@@KLR307 I was thinking this the entire time.
No the answer would have i wish i was the one who died not my kids
Debatable
I'd like to see a true crime case where the person is innocent, just to see if we can pinpoint the difference.
Yes!! ✨✨
He did do one on Amanda Knox which was really interesting and is said to be innocent
There was one recently that people kept saying he was another Watts, and kept going on about "dupers delight". He didn't kill her, he was just socially awkward. If I find his name, I'll post it.
@@sarahthom9425 yeah I’m very socially awkward and I will always smile or laugh awkwardly. Even if I want to cry inside because someone is screaming at me
@@sarahthom9425 Proves that body language reading is so important, to not judge immediately. That sounds like an interesting case thanks for the tip!
What a terrifying, cold, calculating human being. She exhibited no true markers of grief. She never shed a tear over what happened. The entire 'entrapment by society' speech was beyond bizarre. Entirely self-serving, trying to make herself look like a hero for 'taking action'.
The entire interview where she said that her kids were the lucky ones just chilled me to the bone. And that smile at the end of that interview is horrifying and predatory.
same, its all about her, what a discusting creature, not human, not even animal...bless those childs !
Yes very creepy when she said her kids were the lucky ones ... she's acting the 'poor me, I'm a victim, I'm unlucky'. She had the whole story well worked out before hand IMHO. Death penalty would have been good for her. But I hope the prison women show her the respect she deserves.
I know, if she had said she wasn't going to be trapped by THAT MAN and let him kill them all that would have made some sense. Her victim mentality came through here.
I've been around psychopaths (in school as a kid). They have the same eyes, dark eyes. They can tell you the most evil things and threaten you yet remain completely calm and emotionless. The first kid I met who had the evil eyes was Kelvin, we were in the same class together. I know people are going to be like "how do you know this??" You just know, pure evil is very easy to spot.
deadpan eyes..
It is. One of my aunts taught high school for 50 years and was once asked if she thought any of her students had been sociopaths. She immediately gave two names and sure enough, both had ended up serving life sentences at a nearby state prison. It would be well worth checking in with teachers about such concerns BEFORE the prison sentences, right?
You were a child ffs stop talking crap
"I don't feel very lucky; I couldn't tie my damn shoes for a month!" After just saying both her children were murdered in front of her eyes. If my child was murdered in front of my eyes and my fingertips were damaged by swiping at the gun? I wouldn't consider myself unlucky because my fingers were unusable. I'd consider myself unlucky because my CHILDREN are dead. I'm sensing psychopathy or sociopathy in her dead eyes, words, and demeanor. Jesus, this is going to be a rough video.
Edit: Yup. It was a rough video. Yikes.
Yep. That was just horrific and surreal in unexpected ways. The narcissist can only look at things from the pov of how it benefits them or not. Truly sick and scary.
Yup, NPD, HPD, and APD
@@michaelaxx8149 The ol' 3PD trick huh?
@@skepticusmaximus184 YUP! What an evil vile woman! I’d say mother, but we both know she doesn’t deserve to be called that
Yes, when she said “don’t feel very lucky” I thought it was going to be about her kids. Not her shoes.
Two of the children survived 👏🏼 and were adopted by one of the prosecutors.
This woman is not convincing. “Wouldn’t I have cried crocodile tears?” Well, some tears would be normal. No tears in any of her interviews. Watching her discuss this with no tears, every time she says “the blood”, I just, I mean, I just can’t.
Why are tears normal? Why cry?
Like a serial killer visiting the crime scene. Of course anyone seeing that would probably have it burned into their memory forever, but to talk about it? I'm such detail? On TV??
When she says that ppl say she was lucky, and she's like "no I was not lucky, my arm hurt, I couldn't tie my shoes"... A real, loving mother wouldn't give a sh*t about that, cuz the pain and trauma of losing her children would be ALL that mattered.
A real loving mother would not have stopped for a stranger on a deserted road with her young children. She is pure evil. Read “small sacrifices” by Ann Rule
@@loridorman8378 Exactly! Her mind is so warped and disturbed that she thought that her story of stopping her car for the "bushy haired stranger" actually made sense. There are people on the internet that want to say that there are people that would stop for the stranger. No GOOD mother would put their children in harm's way by stopping for some stranger on a dark deserted road. Most probably wouldn't have their babies out that late driving around but even if they just happened to lose track of time, they wouldn't stop for some man in the middle of the street.
@@loridorman8378 Great book, I have read most of Ann Rule's books and they are always on point.
@@TamTam-qe1hr How were they sight seeing that late? In the dark or close to it, before her lets take a new deserted way home idea?
@@jeaniejbutler4911 Yeah, a b.s. story, for sure. You don't even have to be a mother to know that no mother would do that. She made that sh$t up on the fly. I used to hang out late when I was young but as Mom, I don't even like having my babies out past 8pm unless we've gone to a special event (wedding, family gathering, etc).
‘I don’t feel very lucky’
Because your children got shot?
‘I couldn’t tie up my shoes for months’
Pure evil.
She said her kids were lucky 😭😭 Jesus
Completely disturbing. Normal human beings went to "I'm not lucky, my children are dead."
Her: I have been inconvenienced by the inability to tie my shoes.
Me: 😳😳😳
'My kids were lucky... they died' I'd rather my children not be able to tie their laces for a few months and still be alive. Unnerving
That’s also what I thought!!
And the little, breathy laugh as she said it, like it was a funny anecdote. That’s what you say when you accidentally broke your arm doing something silly, not when you’ve allegedly been shot during what should be the most traumatic event of your life!
The only time there was any “life”, emotion, or joy in her cold dead eyes was when she was talking about the blood coming out of her child’s mouth.
in a normal person she would be crying describing the agonizing death of her loveone,..but she seems happy instead..
The video of her reenacting what happened is the most disturbing part. She's recounting this horrific event where a crazy guy supposedly killed her kids...and she's LAUGHING AND MAKING JOKES.
It's also what she catches herself saying when she banged her arm in that video too.
"You're laughing? Your children have been shot, and you're laughing?"
"I'm soooooo unlucky to be alive, I COULDN'T TIE MY SHOELACES FOR A WHILE!!"
What’s gross is I think she was attempting to be cute with the shoe laces line but maybe I’m giving her too much credit. Her inflection is so flat and cold but also has a soft attempt to garner sympathy. Softer voices tend to have a more pacifying affect because the person seems less threatening. Like “how could I do such an awful thing I have such a soft voice”
Metoo spooked! And again pointing towards the narsisistic (?) type of person: "Everyone's talking about, how horrifing this was for my children, but it was also a bit hard for me. Think about it - not being able to tie your shoes for weeks? That's a bummer! " - It is really out of ordinary proportions, this one.
@@MaleneMaare she's a certified lunatic. Completely self absorbed.
For me this was wrong from the bigging. Moms don't take backroads that they never been before if the children are sleeping in the back. Most women don't stop for men who are hitchhiking, especially on a road they don't know and no mother I have ever met would stop for adults with their children sleeping in the back.
I do agree that her story is a lie, however the 80s were a pretty different time and people picked up hitchhikers and helped stranded motorists much more than they do now.
I would never stop late at night with my child or anyone in the car with me
*Beginning
👍🏽
@@akuiper2654 Yeah, my moms told me stories of when she was a teen and first got her license - Picked up a bum the first day, poor guy had to deal with her crazy ass, lmao.
"It's so easy to conceive a child"
Me, a primary amenhorrea infertile woman, who has been ttc for 8 years. 🙄😒
Its sickening. I totally understand, its so unfair that people who shouldn't have children, have them.
I flew to Russia from the US twice & spent $20k on invitro, only to have a miscarriage.
I'm so sorry. It's sad and unfair that people like her can make babies like it's nothing.
That comment from Diane really did it for me. Just so arrogant.
I looked up TTC and it means nothing. Not one result related to pregnancy, fertility, or even women.
It's sickening isn't it, she didn't deserve the right to have children.
Barely five minutes in and this story is sounding insane. Why is she going on a tangent about not letting society take her power away, and why is THAT the first thing you think about when your kid is shot?
OH MY GOD, that smile after saying "that's probably what haunts me the most". Really, you're "haunted" and can smile about it too?
She's literally laughing while talking about her kids death 🥺 "Children are so easy to conceive" I very much wish they were not.
They're not even easy to conceive. Any lady who thinks pregnancy is fun is a red flag 🚩 run
@@Nikki-jn3ud yes!! I'm 26wks. It's been a rough pregnancy. So far, I'm not enjoying pregnancy at all lol.
@@Nikki-jn3ud many women have very fun and happy pregnancies. Pregnancy isn't a horrible thing to experience for everyone
@@Nikki-jn3ud Everyone's bodies are different 😊
And not everyone can conceive easily or at all. Unfortunately
She kept saying: "the kids, the kids" so I assume she's distancing herself from them
Another similarity to the Chris Watts Case
Yeqh, not their names, not "my kids", just "the kids". Holy hell, she's terrifying.
@@daryatislenko4651 yeah. She's pretty freaky to me. Just embodies something seemingly soulless
She should have distanced herself by dropping them off at a fire station. Literally anyone would have taken better care of her kids.
@ rbreit93 I agree. He said in the beginning of the video, that she had a boyfriend, that maybe did not like to take over another mans children. You can imagine some arguing here. "Oh, the kids, the kids, always trouble about the kids" It's a third-party naming or calling. It reveals that she's on the boyfriend's point of view more than on a mother's.
I remember an interview she did where she discussed a song that was playing while she drove to the hospital. She paid MORE attention to the song than she did her dying children in the back seat. When they played that song inside the courtroom, she was dancing in her chair. This woman has no soul and it's terrifying to observe.
"Hungry like the wolf"was the song. Appropriate even though a wolf is a good mother.
Her eyes always get me. They're just so expressionless and dull. She talks about the shooting of her children with the same mild satisfaction of someone telling you they caught a good sale on laundry detergent.
Yeah, I wondered if she was sedated . .or dead, either way a world class narcissist that doesn't think it's odd to not cry when your kids are killed. Everything she talk talk talked about was about her favorite person . .her.
This lady's children are shot in front of her (so she says) and then her thoughts immediately went to ->her childhood and herself? Wtf..? And then her conclusion is "Children are so easily conceived." That's what she told herself to justify the murder, wasn't it? She could kill them -and then simply have a new baby.
... or maybe that's the thought that popped into her head as she remembered how she lined the kids up to be shot.
@@harrymills2770 Isn't it weird also, how she talks about them all being dead, when two of them actually survived their injuries? I would have been so relieved that some of my babies made it, if this was a real assault. She lost one, but two were thankfully saved - but she talks abut them as if she knows they all had died... Probably because that must have been the plan...
Yep..its exactly that...very scary..imagine its your new girlfriend and she doesn’t like you anymore ..the look on her face before you die..😬
almost like she was discarding a stale loaf of bread.
I was sitting in my car and started watching this, when the jig of the intro came on (playing through my car blue tooth) a person walking past was like YOU WATCH OBSERVE!!!! Lol Aussie viewers in my area is strong 👌🏻❤️
What stuck out to me most was her lack of emotionality, especially in the first clip. Her facial expressions and tone were weirdly calm, but maybe it was dissociation? Her fixation on the blood was disturbing but understandable, but what I don't understand was her comfortability with repeating that in interviews so early on. I've had traumatic memories that haunt me but I wouldn't feel comfortable sharing them in graphic detail on a public platform, especially right after they happened. Her smile after describing the memories was also super weird.
While telling the story: staring at interviewer. While talking about pregnancy: first time she looks away to recall.
Good eye. Interesting...
Time stamp?
"what struck you as odd about this person's behaviour?" ALL. OF. IT. holy crap.
her smiling when she is talking about blood is terrifying.
Classic narcissist, a good warning sign.
"Duping Delight"
There’s another interview with her where she says that Fred Hugi (who adopted Christie and Danny) “never said a bad word about me” because “deep down he knows I’m innocent”. No, he didn’t speak badly of you because GOOD parents protect their kids from harm of every form as much as possible. And he wanted them to grow up knowing love, support and understanding… rather than fear, manipulation, and disinterest.
I have always thought this very thing. You expressed it so understandably, and clearly. I have often tried to convey this same reasoning but was never able to make my point as well as you did. Thank you.
The “emotions” never match her eyes. Her speaking of the death brings her delight, seemingly, while she’s trying to look sad. She is self absorbed and wanted to be rid of those 3 kids. She seems delighted that the kids were so dependent on her even while dying. I first learned of Diane Downs from watching Deadly Women, it was so chilling. Seeing the interviews though is more chilling…
The "guy" shot her kids and shes worried about the scar or how she couldn't tie her shoes,odd...and how are the kids "lucky". She was smiling talking about the incident. She also kept talking graphically about her child choking on their own blood like it was an ordinary day. Also really defensive on some questions theres aggression.
She seemed to like the blood coming out of the mouth, she couldn't stop talking about it
It came to my mind that she maybe heard/read somewhere that in situations where there’s a surviver of something, while someone else/several others have died, the survivor many times feels they should’ve died too. But because she doesn’t feel normally, she didn’t know right things to say to act like that’s the case, and ended up sounding just worse. Like she understood the reasons behind so wrong.
@@steppin-razor Murderers love talking about the details of their crimes, it gives them satisfaction and some even get off of it sexually like Ted Bundy, it's so disturbing.
The fact that shes so incredibly detached from the crime that happened (the murders if her kids) Is bone chilling. The way she smiles and was all bubbly when she was reenacting the crime scene is insane. My jaw dropped when she said the part about having another baby. Speechless.
@@aspannas that's true too. They do like to talk about what they have done to hurt others.
Between the desynchronization, the duper's delight, the dead eyes, how she was just so casual and calm about the entire thing, the fact that she's just like "Yeah, totally replacing my children - what they gave me, not them obvs" ... she's like a precursor version of Chris Watts.
Yeah! I immediately had to think of him too!
People: You’re so lucky to be alive!
Normal parent: No I ain’t. No mother (in this case) should outlive their children especially in such a tragic situation. It’s been a nightmare every single day...
Diane: Not lucky I had an owwie on my arm so I struggled with my shoelaces!!! Poor me right? Hahaha :D
YESSS I REQUESTED THIS SO MANY TIMES AND THE MIGHTY LOGAN ANSWERED THANK YOU ILY 😍
Me too!
At the end when she’s saying how the kids give her stuff, she also says, “they took that from me” if she were innocent I’d expect “he took that from me” or even “that was taken from me” but instead she’s saying they, probably referring to the kids themselves. In my opinion.. she’s saying The kids took happiness from me.
See, I noticed that as well. And, this is completely without evidence, but I wonder if it has something to do with her childhood. Perhaps "they" is someone/are people from that. As well, I found it interesting that she mentioned the flashback. I know that she could have been lying about that, but I wonder if she did have a flashback when she shot her children. Maybe being the person who hurt the ones that she was supposed love most reminded her of her own trauma. Just thoughts
Someone else also thought that the fake woke rant - society trapping her - was the true motivation for her crime, she felt the children trapped her from being with this married man 🤦🏾♀️
Exactly cos they were the only obstacles to her running off with her new man who didn’t want the kids
She’s definitely guilty but she was referring to the cops and the court system cause she loss her kids that survived
@@Idontcarejones I was thinking that when she said “they took them from me” she was referring to the courts etc taking her kids. Just like she says something about how “they” won’t take her unborn child or how could “they”
The child who she was pregnant with was adopted, and later found out that her mother was Diane Downs. Thankfully, she seems like a pretty stable person now, with her own children.
well she put her child up for adoption because of the fear of becoming like Diane and hurting her....really sad :( she also tried to contact Diane, trying to make some sort of connection but it went bad...Diane was mean and hostile :((
Video of her parole hearing is on UA-cam and man, it's insane. She just rambles incoherently and makes up different versions of what happened. It makes no sense and she talks nonstop about God knows what. It's fascinating to watch.
You don’t need to be an expert to see this lady not acting right. She’s a piece of work. I haven’t watched yet but excited for this!!!
Holy hell, the smiling! "Unsettling" is right, she gave me chills. The really bad kind.
This woman is unsettling, can’t explain myself well how but there’s some joy in her every time she talks about a tragic gruesome detail of what happened
Pure evil. The giggles & smirks during her “speech” is unnerving
She kept smiling and laughing when talking about her childrens' pain. And also kept referring to herself and her pain with no regard to her kids' pain. Very creepy. She seems to think of her kids as extensions of herself, that they have no value except for what they can do for her and how they make her feel.