Apologies in advance had some audio issues on my end - I went back and re recorded a ton of my solo sections but, it still is present in the video so apologies shouldn't be too distracting but the recording was solid I didn't want to waste it
@@glizzyreveal2935prime hiruzen has no scaling other than “the strongest kage at the time” and ohnoki was tsuchikage at the time in his prime too so its debatable plus it was kabuto that said that and he wasnt even alive to see hiruzen fight anybody in his prime. Even if he wanted to make a video of it the video would be all headcanon
Another interesting variant, adding Hanzo the Salamander for edo kages, instead of Tobirama. Really what a waste by Kishimoto for not giving Tsunade a rematch against the guy who is the reason why she is a sannin. Could've been beatyful: Hanzo wiping out platoon by platton, until Tsunade decides to join the battle teaming up with Mifune against their greatest enemy of the past
@@jvdpc7are we gonna sit here and ignore the fact Ohnoki’s spectacular tips and advice against fighting Gengetsu, alongside Naruto’s help, and many sneak attacks is what it took to catch Gengetsu who is EXHAUSTED off guard enough to seal him
*It would have been much more impactful if each of the Kage individually, did to the Shinobi army divisions, what Madara did when he was introduced. Each Edo Kage should have been presented thrashing and brutalizing divisions. Showing the impact of a Kage in Battle Mode. It would've been heavy. Even before introducing Madara.*
It would've made the Madara intro even more hype too cause it would've been like okay this is what a Kage can really do in a war. Now this is what fucking Madara can do.
@@theweedphilosopher*That's a part of my point. We know that they are supposed to be powerful because of their title as Kage. That's something we know. Most of this is done by hype or implied hyped. But the impact and feeling of that hype, I don't feel was delivered as much as it could have nor as accurate as it should have. In short, we should have had a higher quantity and quality of feats from the Edo Kage, than to simply rely on the hype we know. Madara is so impactful because at the very least, he lived up greatly to his hype. He delivered feats in high quality and quantity. The Edo Kage didn't deliver as much feats as they could and should have. Therefore, we didn't really get as much of a impact on their full abilities and war mode mentality as we should have. Especially when they were already nerfed as Edo and then they were even holding back and helping their enemies defeat them. I would have loved if each Edo Kage gave at least 4 WTF jaw dropping moments with feats instead of Madara getting most of the WTF jaw dropping moments on that side of the war. But it's like the war itself, the opposition was heavily nerfed and didn't deliver to its hype. Edo Deidara, Sasori, Hanzo The Salamander, etc. And even ones that did give WTF feats like Nagato, he was still heavy nerfed with an asspull defeat. The Kabuto/Obito side of the war was much stronger than was shown and should have had way more feats and better ones, especially if they didn't get a chance to shine when they were alive to live up to their hype, but Kishimoto rushed and fucked it.*
Great video TG. It was fun to see some other creators in here with some new takes and perspectives. I think it would have been cool to hear your takes on a 4v4 free for all after the isolated 1v1 discussion. Gengetsu respect was legit in this video. Good takes all around regarding Gengetsu. Only thing that I felt needed saying is that Gengetsu fought Mu multiple times and eventually killed him. Mu is pretty crazy, but Gengetsu is unquestionably on his level. I think Mu was a bit overrated here, but he is still obviously insane. I don't think Mu is the make or break on this one because Onoki could stall him for long enough while Gaara puts Rasa in the dirt. If Mei gets trashed by Gengetsu as quickly as you would expect, Gengetsu can win the other fights pretty easily. I really think the key players are Gaara and Gengetsu with how this was structured because they have opponents that they curbstomp and it comes down to them helping the other Kage win their battles in a snowball effect. I'd say the living Kage take it more often than not, but it's definitely swingy in both directions. Just for some perspective: Gaara caught Mu, no diff'd Rasa, beat Gengetsu, outplayed Madara, and then defended against Tengai Shinsei in a gauntlet with no breaks. If Tsunade is on the battlefield, the Edo Kage have no chance without Tobirama, and then if Tobirama is on the battlefield the five Kage have no chance. I wish we got to see some showings from Prime Hiruzen, because just based on his lore statements he could probably beat the five Kage and the four Edo Kage together.
Are we assuming that the Edo are being controlled by Kabuto and still don't want to win? Unless they Immediately shut down Gengetsu's genjutsu then he could likely cloak the 3rd Raikage and have him slaughter half the other team easily.
I feel in this situation, tsunade would summon katsuyu. If a small slug is on each of her teammates, it lets them pass intel through the slugs, and have healing similar to the edo team Like if the Ay gets in a poor situation, katsuyu can speak through one of her other slugs to garra to assist him with sand
One thing I'd mention is that Gaara only out-sped the 4th Raikage with his special fast sand from the gourd (Deidara notes it to be way faster than regular sand), whereas a lot of the time when he's fighting the Edo Kage they're out-speeding basic desert sand instead of the fast sand. Also, Gengetsu using Genjutsu to make the Kage think Mu is not moving while the real Mu sneaks up behind them and fires off a particle style jutsu to disintegrate them all is a nasty combo.
Exactly. If these Edo are not sandbagging like in the series and actually want to fight then the 2nd Mizukage using battlefield level genjutsu could end this fight immediately. Him cloaking 3rd Raikage for a second or two would be disastrous. His spear attack will instantly put down anyone but Tsunade.
@@jasonmoukala8909 1. The they are both durable but the Third's durabiltiy is supposed to be higher. No one ever said the Fourth couldn't be harmed. 2. The spear attack is strong enough to cut through the Third's defenses easily. That's how he was sealed. Thus the Fourth can't defense himself from it. If he gets hit it's doing serious damage if not killing him.
I am pretty sure based on the damage and celluar chakra destruction the rasenshuriken does that it would take down/incapacite the third raikage if he was alive, maybe not kill, based on the damage to edo form the only reason he was able to come back was the regeneration.
Remember that Katsuyu is directly proportional to how Tsunade is. Sad that she never summoned her when Madara used perfect susanoo as byakugou would also boost Katsuyu. So everything for Katsuyu would be boosted while in byakugou mode and Tsunade probably could summon a bigger version too.
Yapperoonery incoming. Raikage vs Raikage think it is more consistent than ya’ll might think when you take into account Naruto himself said he was suppressing himself against living people. In chapter 545 Naruto gets told the enemies are zombies and he says “That’s the best news you can give me, ya know! Cuz it means I don’t have to hold back!” We also know Naruto wasn’t initially going all out in speed against the 4th Raikage either, since he thinks to himself “Faster this time.” After A4 reacts to him, so he’s continuously upping his speed until he reached a level that could surpass Ay (and I don’t really think a mental amp is applicable, the Raikage was testing him to see if he could surpass him and he did). So in my opinion a KCM Naruto clone out speeding the third Raikage means he could also outspeed the 4th, and I’d place 4 & 3 dead even in speed with similar reactions. I don’t think saying Ay3 can’t do V2 is relevant since the Nukite amps his speed (Naruto needed to use SM to counter it which has superior reactions to KCM1). I don’t really think Ay4 scales above Ay3 through Bee either. Since BM Bee is factually way above his base & partial Bijuu forms that overpowered Ay’s V1 lariat. The Nukite was able to clash with Gyuki’s charged TBB so it would imo cleave through Ay4s body (and imo perfect Jins don’t get an arbitrary stat buff in AP, durability, etc than their Bijuu, they’re stronger in the sense that they’re 2 people fighting as one). But they’re so relative in speed that I also think they stalemate. I don’t think Ay would try to match his Nukite either since he’s not THAT dumb. The third getting reacted to by Dodai to me is just a similar feat to the 4th getting reacted to by Suigetsu and Jugo who got speedblitzed by Hebi Sasuke, it’s just a low end feat that imo doesn’t represent the characters full strength. Naruto characters sometimes have those, and I don’t believe in judging them holistically for it Rasa v Gaara, we saw that. But I think Sage overrated Gaara a bit, he says Gaara scales above him in speed and force when they actually match each-others speed and power dead equally multiple times. The initial sand waves clash equally, Rasa’s gold dust clashes equally in speed and power to Gaara’s gourd sand which is faster and stronger than his ambient sand waves. Since Rasa only lost as quickly as he did because of the Edo Tensei so I think he lasts a bit longer. Gaara makes some shapes to grab at the gold dust, but that doesn’t equally his sand plowing through the gold dust in a clash (doesn’t happen), and Gaara is fine until Rada loses and spills the beans about his mom, so Gaara isn’t mentally nerfed either. I also think the speed is overrated too, outside of his automatic shield the Raikage was in free fall when Gaara’s sand intercepted him. I’m not saying that it wasn’t fast, it’s above his basic V1 speed, but scaling Gaara’s sand to his top speed is literally narrative breaking, the Raikage directly stating that since Minato died NOBODY is faster than him including Gaara and the Rasa who was matching his speed. (At most Gaara’s auto sand defense can scale somewhat relative to V2 as they both avoided anaterasu, but that auto defense is faster than Gaara himself is) Gengetsu uses his soap bubbles to wash Mei like a pile of dirty dishes. Scaling Gengetsu can be weird because he has an irregular match up with Gaara, but Gaara had to resort to magnet release hax to counter him that Mei doesn’t have. Mei will probably fall as quickly as Rasa loses to Gaara, and that is very bad for the current Kage. Mei is the weak link and her falling causes the current Kage to lose. Round 2, Tsunade scales above Rasa in base so a team folds. Katsuyu could split into a million pieces and search for the clam and then destroy it. Tsunade is the best support Sannin and her presence is game breaking. Round 3, it’s rude af to choose Tobirama instead of Hiruzen 😭. Wank or not it’s a blatant fact that he’s faster and stronger than all the Kage. Tsunade gets cut in half, Onoki’s particle style gets teleported into everyone else. TPB wipes.
@@ThunderGodTG Ayyyy I will, I just gotta clean up the script and start recording. I got no good equipment and im recording it on a potato but that can’t stop me 😂
Katsuyu and mei could probably do an acid rain combination attack. Katsuyu acid is more potent than mei's by a long slide. Katsuyu also just negates 3rd raikage completely 😂. Katsuyu also counters tobirama paper bombs ain't doing anything to her nor are slashing/cutting moves. Katsuyu can split into several smaller but still larger pieces to provide defense/attack and the smaller pocket size ones can go on your shoulder for healing and intel. Katsutu acid hard counters water as it will cuz it to explode into nothingness. Tsunade can just rearrange the terrain and the water terrain shifting becomes useless so its just 🤷♀️. List goes on and on.
But also, the kage wouldn't know what techniques gengetsu has, they wouldn't know its a clam, they wouldn't its a genjutsu, and gengetsu can use his finger bullet thing which is really strong while he has his invisible imp clone attacking the kage.
Why does everyone that talks about the third raikage always understate the Hell Stab, That thing is like the strongest piercing move in the verse. 4th isn't landing a lariat if 3rd is going for a hell stab. He's getting his arm, or head cut off, or joining the donut club.
@@Rck-vert that has the widest span but theres no way your telling me a one finger hell stab vs a chidori clash doesn’t result in the chidori person getting stabbed through the hand.
@@Rck-vert The chidori is spread out over the whole hand. hell stab is formed into a singular point, alot more refined and pointed. how can you say it has less piercing than a chidori?
@@catchavibe8418 the chidori obviously has (& is shown) a focal point which is why it can pierce, hence ur point about it covering the hand is irrelevant. Besides, he can injure himself with hell stab which makes it very possible that chidori could do the same since they're both lightning style piercing jutsus
Hiruzen would beat the Gokage worst than Tobirama lol. Hiruzen has two speed feats over Tobirama. He arrives 2nd to the battlefield after Minato He’s able to rescue Naruto which is something Tobirama and Minato couldn’t do Hiruzen doesn’t have any feats that prove against the notion he’s not comparable to Hashirama in strength but just that he’s lacking Wood Style/Deity Gates.
So we have to into account that Maruto only asked 8 tails how to damage 3rd.Raikage after Raikage tanked the rasenshuriken. That means Naruto recognized that the Rasenshiruken didnt have a real effect.
Idk about that I’ll be honest opinions change a lot so might be a case of that? Sage is pretty knowledgeable so I imagine he’d have a good reason for it, but again he probably was using Prime Hiruzen KCM Minato, Etc.
Swap Team Hebi/Taka and Team Kakashi's fights. Like Kakashi, Sakura, Naruto, and Sai against Bee, and Team Taka vs Sasori and Deidara. Kakashi instead of Sasuke vs Deidara and Tobi. We already know how Kakashi vs Itachi in Uchiha Hideout will end up lol. Then Kakashi and Sakura instead of Sasuke and Karin vs Danzo, Team Kakashi vs the Five Kage Summit, etc.
Tsunade and katsuya could’ve used a sage mode or even did a acid style attack like mini katsuya on tsunade shoulder then tsunade and katsuya do acid style like spray blast
Hiruzen not only just have speed advantage over the new kage but its battle iq and versatility. He doesn't just have all Chakra releases but hes mastered them to the fullest potential . Hes know to counter a jutsu soloy at looking at hand signs which altho Kakashi seems t0 make this a serious thing to not show the enemy your hand signs ,only a few people like Sasuke was seen doing it . Since hiruzen is fast and smart ,its likely hes already countering u or have the idea to before u finish casting the jutsu. On top of that this won't work in reverse on him since hes not only clearly smarter than all the alive kage but he also has the element advantage over all of them so there is no counter haha . The only chance is kekke genkai techniques or hand to hand, but even that is a no since he's mastered all hand to hand styles and jutsu in the leave, including at least being able to do gentle fist like boruto atleast and he got the ema . Yea hiruzen is basically brick wall to them 😂 . His shadow clones are stronger than naruto ,hes smarter than Sasuke and has more jutsu than Kakashi.
you all place major focus on speed as a factor especially when talking about the raikages...if speed was everything,tobirama would have never died and he would have been more prominent that hashirama
I mean whereas it's disingenuous to say Raikage's 230 lb body was cracking the sussanoo, it's more disingenuous to imply he has perfect flight/control of his body in the air lol, or only falling. He was putting force behind the kick. He was kicking down, not just... doing nothing. Lol. It's the same thing Tsunade does with her axe kick. The point is it's a KICK. Not just a fall lol. Even Sakura punching the ground like a nuke, or 7th gate guy punching down on Kisame at the end of the fight is similar. They obviously aren't "falling" using their body weight :P I think it's unreasonable to assume Raikage was moving his max distance speed that he can run forwards, when he was falling down. Regardless if it was faster than normally falling. Like at least 5th gate Lee was bouncing off the walls and roof to ping pong Gaara. Raikage just jumped up lol. There's credence for characters, especially Sasuke, just.... not moving. Itachi wasn't stumbling towards Sasuke in his final moments at super Sonic speeds, that was shown in real time. Sasuke was just slowly backing up :P
In Team Battle , 5 Kage wipes 🙌 In 1v1 , It depends on the Matchup. 5 Kage can still win too if you don't give them their worst possible Matchup. Heck , Gaara alone Beat 2 Edo Kage🤷🏻
I’m just gonna simp hard as fuk and make the case for the mizukage winning I think she’ll know the 2nd Mizukage’s abilities and just use lava style to make a dome or building that she can fill with super Corrosive Vapor so the imp or imps would have to break into a constantly self repairing lava dome that is full of game ending vapor that could avoid the genjutsu by avoiding the clam’s toxin. After that it’s a stalematé because she can’t exit the dome without getting hit by genjutsu and the 2nd Mizukage can’t enter without melting. The question becomes “will the mizukage run out of chakra before help arrives?” Because the 2nd can just spam imps. Sure she has the attack power to hit the clam and melt The 2nd but she can’t see outside of the dome
Gengetsu and mu literally clash mutiple times and had to kill each other. Obviously mai would do shiz when mu was threatening to kill a whole as fleet 😂.
I really have a hard time seeing anyone beating an infinite chakra edo Mu. In a stand up then yeah i see it but being able to spam particle style and not run out of chakra and completely avoid detection is scary
I generally agree with all the matchups. Although I have a few contentious points. The first is in regards to the 3rd raikage and the 4th. I believe the 3rd is significantly more durable than the 4th. This is as a rasenshuriken removed his cloak but he was relatively unharmed past that. Against other edos, madara was inclined to absorb the rasenshuriken and I believe he used it against kimimaro and chiyo and it shredded them. Also from how he used it against pain, we see that it would shred people. But it only removed the 3rds cloak, which he brought swiftly reactivated. This is contrast to the 4th who in v1 a chidori from sasuke was able to draw blood from him. I personally interpret his v2 as mostly a speed increase so I don't think even in v2 the 4th could take a rasenshuriken. Additionally, the counterclaim of naruto's rasengan making cracks on the 3rds arm don't really make that much sense to me as if naruto could harm with a rasengan why wouldn't the rasenshuriken work. Additionally I have never really vibed with the interpretation that ay was stronger than full 8 tails b. Virtually every comparable fight or combat scenario the two have parts in, b always performed better. Against minato b was able to intercept minatos slash and had an appropriate counter for when he tried to sneak attack him. Against base sharingan sasuke b was able to pretty much kebab him while ay was tagged by sasuke with a chidori (he did body slam him afterwards forcing sasuke to use ms but u get my point) and in the war arc base b was able to overpower v1 ay in a lariat clash. Additionally, it's implied that you need similar strength and speed to perform a double lariat and bee and ay use v1 to perform the double lariat on kisame. So I've never believed that v2 ay is greater than v2 b and full 8 tails b. Especially considering v2 bee seems to be a similar buff to v2 ay from their v1 forms. In all, I think the 4th is kind of faster, not a blitz tier above, than the 3rd, but the third is notably more durable.
I think the old guys first group probably boots the 3rd and on kage. Why waring states period created nothing but beast. Who all died out numbered or by assassin's. And by out numbered i mean 100 to 1 or were sleeping not molding charka and got sneaked. Hokage definitely Hashirama whips everyone.
Also the sand is hard to say cause they all used magnet release except the 2nd the puppet creator. Rikage are all the same so it comes down to cloak strength and the 3rd Rikage is stronger then Aa, so he takes the Rikage. Mu and Anoki I'll take Mu. And Gengestu is the strongest Misukage. Maybe Yagara could give him a run. But still id give it to Gengestu. So it's coming down to Hokage Hashirama, Naruto, Kakashi, 3rd Rikage, Gengestu, Gaara and Mu. And in a Battle Royale I'd say Hashirama beats everyone. Like Naruto does have Kurama, however Hashirama could restrict the charka Naruto can use. And I don't see without and Avatar state he can't beat 1000 arm Caion. And it's unlikely anyone could stop a sage Edo 3/4 power Hashirama except a 10 tails host. Cause the natural energy is greater than Hashirama could match. So in a Kage alive or Edo Hashirama wins. He's that much stronger. I get Madara Edo sage mode with Rinnagan is powerful. But half his feats after rebirth are blind and without eyes. And he's that much stronger then Tobirama, Naruto, Sasuke, and all the rest. And with a single Rinnagan he Limbo cloned and one tapped the tailed beast. And that guy didn't have sage mode yet, didn't have two eyes. And Hashirama boots that guy. That's all I'm saying. If they brought Hashirama back in full power he'd beat Madara before he becomes the 10 tails. And it's not cap. We down play the wood style mastery. Mu is the only threat. Cause in base Hashirama is faster than Tobirama Tobirama created flying thunder god and became faster. Also Hashirama battled Uchiha his whole life and DOMINANCE SPEAKS VOLUMES.
We also need to think the younger generations can definitely out intell the old kage. They learned about there abilities as kids. As well as the weakness.
unfortunately 3 of the 4 kages required kcm1 naruto's help to take them down. kcm1 naruto (albeit a clone but naruto's clones are very relative) still scales above any of the 5 kage.
What if Pain and konan attacked the leaf in place of orochimaru? First round: old hurizen with his anbu guards, part 1 guy and Kakashi, then garra fight Naruto and sasuke jump in? They were all in the finals arena. Rest of village is busy with the summons and konan. Round 2: then if needed Jiraiya shows up like he did and is almost in sage Naruto’s position.
Bro imagine a combo where Tobirama uses the tandem paperbombs on gengetsu's exploding imp. Imagine that clone getting big as shit and covered in paperbombs before just exploding the entire battlefield like a nuke.
You should do a tailed beast gauntlet. 1-9 tails basically which out of the most powerful Shinobi can’t make it to a certain tailed beast. Like let’s say orochimaru capping out at the 7 tails, 3rd raikage capping at the 8 tails, minatp capping out at the 9 tails ect….
Mei has like op releases, lava ,gas and water but the issue is thats all she can do haha .its like shes a strong character vs people with insane hacks 😂 and all she do is spitting good
Apologies in advance had some audio issues on my end - I went back and re recorded a ton of my solo sections but, it still is present in the video so apologies shouldn't be too distracting but the recording was solid I didn't want to waste it
Can you do a prime hiruzen vs any group video
@@glizzyreveal2935prime hiruzen has no scaling other than “the strongest kage at the time” and ohnoki was tsuchikage at the time in his prime too so its debatable plus it was kabuto that said that and he wasnt even alive to see hiruzen fight anybody in his prime.
Even if he wanted to make a video of it the video would be all headcanon
Another interesting variant, adding Hanzo the Salamander for edo kages, instead of Tobirama. Really what a waste by Kishimoto for not giving Tsunade a rematch against the guy who is the reason why she is a sannin. Could've been beatyful: Hanzo wiping out platoon by platton, until Tsunade decides to join the battle teaming up with Mifune against their greatest enemy of the past
It would have been cool to have made hanzo matter more in the story.
@@kleatise52 He already mattered enough, he was one of the catalyst for the formation of Akatsuki. Its just that Kishimoto tell but didn't show
@@jesuspinto9805 as In, don’t just have a legendary ninja fall off by not training and get destroyed.
@@kleatise52 it's the hole point of Hanzo he weakened because he lost his convictions
@@kleatise52 stuff happens, my guy. It’s real and relatable.
The Tobirama love at the end was a nice surprise ❤
Putting Tobirama is was dirty. Bro is just a whole tier above any of the alive kage
Muu solos tonirama
@@jvdpc7are we gonna sit here and ignore the fact Ohnoki’s spectacular tips and advice against fighting Gengetsu, alongside Naruto’s help, and many sneak attacks is what it took to catch Gengetsu who is EXHAUSTED off guard enough to seal him
Gengetsu and mu are relative they were implied to be rivals who fought on many occasions
didn't they died because they had a draw and just mutually killed each other
Yep but it was gengetsu jutsu that killed them both
Ngl I feel like the algorithm buried this one which is fucked up cause this video was dope
It just is what it is appreciate the support though ✊🏻🔥 aiming for 3x uploads a week this month and the next so first of many
@@ThunderGodTG ur killin it man love to see it
*It would have been much more impactful if each of the Kage individually, did to the Shinobi army divisions, what Madara did when he was introduced. Each Edo Kage should have been presented thrashing and brutalizing divisions. Showing the impact of a Kage in Battle Mode. It would've been heavy. Even before introducing Madara.*
It would've made the Madara intro even more hype too cause it would've been like okay this is what a Kage can really do in a war. Now this is what fucking Madara can do.
But the audience already knows how powerful the kage really are
@@theweedphilosopher*That's a part of my point. We know that they are supposed to be powerful because of their title as Kage. That's something we know. Most of this is done by hype or implied hyped. But the impact and feeling of that hype, I don't feel was delivered as much as it could have nor as accurate as it should have. In short, we should have had a higher quantity and quality of feats from the Edo Kage, than to simply rely on the hype we know. Madara is so impactful because at the very least, he lived up greatly to his hype. He delivered feats in high quality and quantity. The Edo Kage didn't deliver as much feats as they could and should have. Therefore, we didn't really get as much of a impact on their full abilities and war mode mentality as we should have. Especially when they were already nerfed as Edo and then they were even holding back and helping their enemies defeat them. I would have loved if each Edo Kage gave at least 4 WTF jaw dropping moments with feats instead of Madara getting most of the WTF jaw dropping moments on that side of the war. But it's like the war itself, the opposition was heavily nerfed and didn't deliver to its hype. Edo Deidara, Sasori, Hanzo The Salamander, etc. And even ones that did give WTF feats like Nagato, he was still heavy nerfed with an asspull defeat. The Kabuto/Obito side of the war was much stronger than was shown and should have had way more feats and better ones, especially if they didn't get a chance to shine when they were alive to live up to their hype, but Kishimoto rushed and fucked it.*
They didn’t want to fight plus they were controlled if they were in charge like Madara they would do considerably better
@@risingreform3816 Yes. I agree. Which adds to my point.
Great video TG. It was fun to see some other creators in here with some new takes and perspectives. I think it would have been cool to hear your takes on a 4v4 free for all after the isolated 1v1 discussion.
Gengetsu respect was legit in this video. Good takes all around regarding Gengetsu. Only thing that I felt needed saying is that Gengetsu fought Mu multiple times and eventually killed him. Mu is pretty crazy, but Gengetsu is unquestionably on his level. I think Mu was a bit overrated here, but he is still obviously insane. I don't think Mu is the make or break on this one because Onoki could stall him for long enough while Gaara puts Rasa in the dirt. If Mei gets trashed by Gengetsu as quickly as you would expect, Gengetsu can win the other fights pretty easily. I really think the key players are Gaara and Gengetsu with how this was structured because they have opponents that they curbstomp and it comes down to them helping the other Kage win their battles in a snowball effect. I'd say the living Kage take it more often than not, but it's definitely swingy in both directions. Just for some perspective: Gaara caught Mu, no diff'd Rasa, beat Gengetsu, outplayed Madara, and then defended against Tengai Shinsei in a gauntlet with no breaks.
If Tsunade is on the battlefield, the Edo Kage have no chance without Tobirama, and then if Tobirama is on the battlefield the five Kage have no chance. I wish we got to see some showings from Prime Hiruzen, because just based on his lore statements he could probably beat the five Kage and the four Edo Kage together.
Appreciate the love, Gengetsu is so crazy with such a nuanced arsenal that it was really nice to show love to him
I agree, I just swing in favor of edo kage. Even with the stuff Gara does, I don't think he's that impressive, sorry
Are we assuming that the Edo are being controlled by Kabuto and still don't want to win? Unless they Immediately shut down Gengetsu's genjutsu then he could likely cloak the 3rd Raikage and have him slaughter half the other team easily.
My response to seeing Tobirama was YOU GAVE THE EDOS TOBIRAMA?! WHY THE F*** WOULD YOU DO THAT?! WHAT DID THE GOKAGE EVER DO TO YOU
19:00 can we talk about how there is no way in hell Ay is only 230lbs 😭😭
Tobirama didn't destroy a deity gate, it was just a crack.
-swagkage
I feel in this situation, tsunade would summon katsuyu. If a small slug is on each of her teammates, it lets them pass intel through the slugs, and have healing similar to the edo team
Like if the Ay gets in a poor situation, katsuyu can speak through one of her other slugs to garra to assist him with sand
One thing I'd mention is that Gaara only out-sped the 4th Raikage with his special fast sand from the gourd (Deidara notes it to be way faster than regular sand), whereas a lot of the time when he's fighting the Edo Kage they're out-speeding basic desert sand instead of the fast sand.
Also, Gengetsu using Genjutsu to make the Kage think Mu is not moving while the real Mu sneaks up behind them and fires off a particle style jutsu to disintegrate them all is a nasty combo.
My man! Always love to see you around we gotta VC soon!
@@ThunderGodTG Agreed!
Exactly. If these Edo are not sandbagging like in the series and actually want to fight then the 2nd Mizukage using battlefield level genjutsu could end this fight immediately. Him cloaking 3rd Raikage for a second or two would be disastrous. His spear attack will instantly put down anyone but Tsunade.
@@Corey1873his spear attack wouldn’t kill fourth raikage would it. They have the same superhuman body right?
@@jasonmoukala8909 1. The they are both durable but the Third's durabiltiy is supposed to be higher. No one ever said the Fourth couldn't be harmed.
2. The spear attack is strong enough to cut through the Third's defenses easily. That's how he was sealed. Thus the Fourth can't defense himself from it. If he gets hit it's doing serious damage if not killing him.
I am pretty sure based on the damage and celluar chakra destruction the rasenshuriken does that it would take down/incapacite the third raikage if he was alive, maybe not kill, based on the damage to edo form the only reason he was able to come back was the regeneration.
Yeah it would have an effect for sure I don’t like saying that he just is too strong for it, he’s clearly affected
Remember that Katsuyu is directly proportional to how Tsunade is. Sad that she never summoned her when Madara used perfect susanoo as byakugou would also boost Katsuyu. So everything for Katsuyu would be boosted while in byakugou mode and Tsunade probably could summon a bigger version too.
How fucking massive would 100% lady katsuyu be because we don’t even get to see half of her full size
Im convinced that if tsunade had taught naruto summoning instead of jiraiya he could have just fucking crushed the juubi with her
@@owenblount7334ten tail size probably
@@HC-gm4fono i do think Katsuyu is actually the Shikotsu forest itself
Amazing
I love gengetsu idk why everyone hates on him. He's broken and a nice guy if a little full of himself.
Mei has that acid mist jutsu that might be able to hit gengetsus clam but other than that she got nothin
Yapperoonery incoming. Raikage vs Raikage think it is more consistent than ya’ll might think when you take into account Naruto himself said he was suppressing himself against living people. In chapter 545 Naruto gets told the enemies are zombies and he says “That’s the best news you can give me, ya know! Cuz it means I don’t have to hold back!” We also know Naruto wasn’t initially going all out in speed against the 4th Raikage either, since he thinks to himself “Faster this time.” After A4 reacts to him, so he’s continuously upping his speed until he reached a level that could surpass Ay (and I don’t really think a mental amp is applicable, the Raikage was testing him to see if he could surpass him and he did). So in my opinion a KCM Naruto clone out speeding the third Raikage means he could also outspeed the 4th, and I’d place 4 & 3 dead even in speed with similar reactions. I don’t think saying Ay3 can’t do V2 is relevant since the Nukite amps his speed (Naruto needed to use SM to counter it which has superior reactions to KCM1).
I don’t really think Ay4 scales above Ay3 through Bee either. Since BM Bee is factually way above his base & partial Bijuu forms that overpowered Ay’s V1 lariat. The Nukite was able to clash with Gyuki’s charged TBB so it would imo cleave through Ay4s body (and imo perfect Jins don’t get an arbitrary stat buff in AP, durability, etc than their Bijuu, they’re stronger in the sense that they’re 2 people fighting as one). But they’re so relative in speed that I also think they stalemate. I don’t think Ay would try to match his Nukite either since he’s not THAT dumb. The third getting reacted to by Dodai to me is just a similar feat to the 4th getting reacted to by Suigetsu and Jugo who got speedblitzed by Hebi Sasuke, it’s just a low end feat that imo doesn’t represent the characters full strength. Naruto characters sometimes have those, and I don’t believe in judging them holistically for it
Rasa v Gaara, we saw that. But I think Sage overrated Gaara a bit, he says Gaara scales above him in speed and force when they actually match each-others speed and power dead equally multiple times. The initial sand waves clash equally, Rasa’s gold dust clashes equally in speed and power to Gaara’s gourd sand which is faster and stronger than his ambient sand waves. Since Rasa only lost as quickly as he did because of the Edo Tensei so I think he lasts a bit longer. Gaara makes some shapes to grab at the gold dust, but that doesn’t equally his sand plowing through the gold dust in a clash (doesn’t happen), and Gaara is fine until Rada loses and spills the beans about his mom, so Gaara isn’t mentally nerfed either. I also think the speed is overrated too, outside of his automatic shield the Raikage was in free fall when Gaara’s sand intercepted him. I’m not saying that it wasn’t fast, it’s above his basic V1 speed, but scaling Gaara’s sand to his top speed is literally narrative breaking, the Raikage directly stating that since Minato died NOBODY is faster than him including Gaara and the Rasa who was matching his speed. (At most Gaara’s auto sand defense can scale somewhat relative to V2 as they both avoided anaterasu, but that auto defense is faster than Gaara himself is)
Gengetsu uses his soap bubbles to wash Mei like a pile of dirty dishes. Scaling Gengetsu can be weird because he has an irregular match up with Gaara, but Gaara had to resort to magnet release hax to counter him that Mei doesn’t have. Mei will probably fall as quickly as Rasa loses to Gaara, and that is very bad for the current Kage. Mei is the weak link and her falling causes the current Kage to lose.
Round 2, Tsunade scales above Rasa in base so a team folds. Katsuyu could split into a million pieces and search for the clam and then destroy it. Tsunade is the best support Sannin and her presence is game breaking. Round 3, it’s rude af to choose Tobirama instead of Hiruzen 😭. Wank or not it’s a blatant fact that he’s faster and stronger than all the Kage. Tsunade gets cut in half, Onoki’s particle style gets teleported into everyone else. TPB wipes.
Bro spit was we said with slightly different variations 😂 jokes aside good analysis
@@ThunderGodTG To be fair it’s hard to spin different ways of saying that Mei sucks and Tobirama is cracked 😭
😂😭 also my man def lmk when that Sasori vid drops looking forward too it
@@ThunderGodTG Ayyyy I will, I just gotta clean up the script and start recording. I got no good equipment and im recording it on a potato but that can’t stop me 😂
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No way all of them made a colab
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Katsuyu and mei could probably do an acid rain combination attack. Katsuyu acid is more potent than mei's by a long slide. Katsuyu also just negates 3rd raikage completely 😂. Katsuyu also counters tobirama paper bombs ain't doing anything to her nor are slashing/cutting moves. Katsuyu can split into several smaller but still larger pieces to provide defense/attack and the smaller pocket size ones can go on your shoulder for healing and intel. Katsutu acid hard counters water as it will cuz it to explode into nothingness. Tsunade can just rearrange the terrain and the water terrain shifting becomes useless so its just 🤷♀️. List goes on and on.
Hirashin, Kage Bunshin, and using the infinite paper bombs makes this a non-matchup.
Gangetsu holding Mu still is hilarious 😂
FINALLY a battle where tobirama has a chance 😂…
But also, the kage wouldn't know what techniques gengetsu has, they wouldn't know its a clam, they wouldn't its a genjutsu, and gengetsu can use his finger bullet thing which is really strong while he has his invisible imp clone attacking the kage.
Why does everyone that talks about the third raikage always understate the Hell Stab, That thing is like the strongest piercing move in the verse. 4th isn't landing a lariat if 3rd is going for a hell stab. He's getting his arm, or head cut off, or joining the donut club.
The strongest piercing move in the verse is lightning blade/chidori
@@Rck-vert that has the widest span but theres no way your telling me a one finger hell stab vs a chidori clash doesn’t result in the chidori person getting stabbed through the hand.
@@catchavibe8418 sorry but my money is on the chidori winning....
@@Rck-vert The chidori is spread out over the whole hand. hell stab is formed into a singular point, alot more refined and pointed. how can you say it has less piercing than a chidori?
@@catchavibe8418 the chidori obviously has (& is shown) a focal point which is why it can pierce, hence ur point about it covering the hand is irrelevant.
Besides, he can injure himself with hell stab which makes it very possible that chidori could do the same since they're both lightning style piercing jutsus
What're the video game cutscenes?! Where are they from?!
Hiruzen would beat the Gokage worst than Tobirama lol.
Hiruzen has two speed feats over Tobirama. He arrives 2nd to the battlefield after Minato
He’s able to rescue Naruto which is something Tobirama and Minato couldn’t do
Hiruzen doesn’t have any feats that prove against the notion he’s not comparable to Hashirama in strength but just that he’s lacking Wood Style/Deity Gates.
What is the clip at 27:36 from? It’s pretty awesome just like this video!
Look up Mei vs Tsunade vs Raikage - Naruto Mobile they make GOATED cinematics
Better title: what if the five kage commited suicide
still waiting for that the problem with powerscaling video!!
I def am gonna push that out
Third raikage was defeated by a naruto clone.
His son is faster.
All I’m saying
Let’s goooo 🔥
Gotei 13. Vs 7 Kage ???
Mu is way to overrated
Yeah kinda
Tsunada literally was carrying the whole village on her back and we already seen here carrying the kaga too. She is a nasty buff
bro really said this as if we aint see ohnoki carry her and the kages against edo madara who makes the 4 edo kage look like genin.
I THINK gara MIGHT have been the kage the LONGEST out of ANYONE
Onoki
So we have to into account that Maruto only asked 8 tails how to damage 3rd.Raikage after Raikage tanked the rasenshuriken. That means Naruto recognized that the Rasenshiruken didnt have a real effect.
the anime he tanked it but in the manga he did get damaged somewhat by it.
Im surprised sage was giving Tobirama so much love considering he thinks hes the second weakest hokage. He thinks hes just barely above Tsunade.
Idk about that I’ll be honest opinions change a lot so might be a case of that? Sage is pretty knowledgeable so I imagine he’d have a good reason for it, but again he probably was using Prime Hiruzen KCM Minato, Etc.
Swap Team Hebi/Taka and Team Kakashi's fights.
Like Kakashi, Sakura, Naruto, and Sai against Bee, and Team Taka vs Sasori and Deidara. Kakashi instead of Sasuke vs Deidara and Tobi. We already know how Kakashi vs Itachi in Uchiha Hideout will end up lol. Then Kakashi and Sakura instead of Sasuke and Karin vs Danzo, Team Kakashi vs the Five Kage Summit, etc.
This idea came from when Sasuke thinks of his team as a new Team 7 before saving Karin from Bee.
Woah woah woah, hold up! Where can I find the full video of this 27:36?!?!?!
Look up mei vs tsunade vs Raikage
@@ThunderGodTG I found it! THANK YOU!
Np Naruto mobile goes CRAZY with the cinematics
Tsunade and katsuya could’ve used a sage mode or even did a acid style attack like mini katsuya on tsunade shoulder then tsunade and katsuya do acid style like spray blast
YYYYEEEEEESSSSS!!!!!!!!!!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Hiruzen not only just have speed advantage over the new kage but its battle iq and versatility. He doesn't just have all Chakra releases but hes mastered them to the fullest potential . Hes know to counter a jutsu soloy at looking at hand signs which altho Kakashi seems t0 make this a serious thing to not show the enemy your hand signs ,only a few people like Sasuke was seen doing it . Since hiruzen is fast and smart ,its likely hes already countering u or have the idea to before u finish casting the jutsu. On top of that this won't work in reverse on him since hes not only clearly smarter than all the alive kage but he also has the element advantage over all of them so there is no counter haha . The only chance is kekke genkai techniques or hand to hand, but even that is a no since he's mastered all hand to hand styles and jutsu in the leave, including at least being able to do gentle fist like boruto atleast and he got the ema . Yea hiruzen is basically brick wall to them 😂 . His shadow clones are stronger than naruto ,hes smarter than Sasuke and has more jutsu than Kakashi.
God the bakugan battle brawlers music brings back memories lol
you all place major focus on speed as a factor especially when talking about the raikages...if speed was everything,tobirama would have never died and he would have been more prominent that hashirama
I mean whereas it's disingenuous to say Raikage's 230 lb body was cracking the sussanoo, it's more disingenuous to imply he has perfect flight/control of his body in the air lol, or only falling. He was putting force behind the kick. He was kicking down, not just... doing nothing. Lol.
It's the same thing Tsunade does with her axe kick. The point is it's a KICK. Not just a fall lol.
Even Sakura punching the ground like a nuke, or 7th gate guy punching down on Kisame at the end of the fight is similar. They obviously aren't "falling" using their body weight :P
I think it's unreasonable to assume Raikage was moving his max distance speed that he can run forwards, when he was falling down. Regardless if it was faster than normally falling. Like at least 5th gate Lee was bouncing off the walls and roof to ping pong Gaara. Raikage just jumped up lol. There's credence for characters, especially Sasuke, just.... not moving. Itachi wasn't stumbling towards Sasuke in his final moments at super Sonic speeds, that was shown in real time. Sasuke was just slowly backing up :P
Agreed it’s def just some regular lightning armor taijutsu, it’s just weird how heavily some guys swing in one direction or the other
In Team Battle , 5 Kage wipes 🙌
In 1v1 , It depends on the Matchup.
5 Kage can still win too if you don't give them their worst possible Matchup.
Heck , Gaara alone Beat 2 Edo Kage🤷🏻
Everyone gets slapped by Hashirama
Revelation 14:12
King James Version
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
i see tsuande assisting the raikage first,during the war,she was closer to him than gaara,so it would be tsunade and ay vs 3rd
Tg I’ve been asking for this for a while now but with the Sanin
You gotta understand 😅😅
@@ThunderGodTG I’ll have to go off how I think the 5 kage compare to the Sanin and go off that I guess
Nah I won’t lie I think the Sannin could be a future vid
@@ThunderGodTGbtw I’m using a lot of what you said as a gamabunta upscale
I’m just gonna simp hard as fuk and make the case for the mizukage winning
I think she’ll know the 2nd Mizukage’s abilities and just use lava style to make a dome or building that she can fill with super Corrosive Vapor so the imp or imps would have to break into a constantly self repairing lava dome that is full of game ending vapor that could avoid the genjutsu by avoiding the clam’s toxin.
After that it’s a stalematé because she can’t exit the dome without getting hit by genjutsu and the 2nd Mizukage can’t enter without melting.
The question becomes “will the mizukage run out of chakra before help arrives?” Because the 2nd can just spam imps. Sure she has the attack power to hit the clam and melt The 2nd but she can’t see outside of the dome
great idea for new video....
Obito vs Killer Bee
Obito vs Killer Bee + Raikage
Tobirama would lose to A4, A3, Tsunade, and Gengetsu 1 on 1. you can make an argument for him losing to Mu as well
Gengetsu and mu literally clash mutiple times and had to kill each other. Obviously mai would do shiz when mu was threatening to kill a whole as fleet 😂.
You don’t think her vapor style will destroy the imps?
Also if ohnoki somehow gets mu to split he can’t use particle style so he’s basically useless
Tobirama lifts his finger to kill sasuke, minato and hirozen crap themselves
4th vs third raikage is the naruto equivalent of the spiderman pointing meme
And here I thought the perfect comment didn’t exist
I really have a hard time seeing anyone beating an infinite chakra edo Mu. In a stand up then yeah i see it but being able to spam particle style and not run out of chakra and completely avoid detection is scary
This is my favourite video you’ve done. I like the rounds u did.
Appreciate that my man you always be showing love!
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With all the information you gave me clearly sasuke wins
I think it should have been 3rd hokage instead of 2nd Hokage
Add any past hokage and the live kage lose . Easy. Even danzo idk
Tobirama: would you like me to use tandem paper bomb or not
1. 5 kage vs legendary sanin
2. 7 swordsman vs legendary sanin
The 4th raikage does not have a speed advantage on the 3rd raikage.
Why does the 4th have equal durability what feat shows this
i think the edo tensei kages win if the living kages cant seal them
I don't think theres a single stat rasa has thats even on gaara's level.
Can you make a video scaling OM Obito?
Kcm Minato and hashirama vs them 😂
Man... Fourth Raikage freaking folds the third.... no dif. Fourth took an amaterasu and went "meh, fuck it, ain't need no arm"
What if everyone who uses a bidet fought everyone who uses toilet paper?
Dirty asses for the win
Hanzo vs the five kage summit
3rd has black lightning too right?
I generally agree with all the matchups. Although I have a few contentious points.
The first is in regards to the 3rd raikage and the 4th. I believe the 3rd is significantly more durable than the 4th. This is as a rasenshuriken removed his cloak but he was relatively unharmed past that. Against other edos, madara was inclined to absorb the rasenshuriken and I believe he used it against kimimaro and chiyo and it shredded them. Also from how he used it against pain, we see that it would shred people. But it only removed the 3rds cloak, which he brought swiftly reactivated. This is contrast to the 4th who in v1 a chidori from sasuke was able to draw blood from him. I personally interpret his v2 as mostly a speed increase so I don't think even in v2 the 4th could take a rasenshuriken. Additionally, the counterclaim of naruto's rasengan making cracks on the 3rds arm don't really make that much sense to me as if naruto could harm with a rasengan why wouldn't the rasenshuriken work.
Additionally I have never really vibed with the interpretation that ay was stronger than full 8 tails b. Virtually every comparable fight or combat scenario the two have parts in, b always performed better. Against minato b was able to intercept minatos slash and had an appropriate counter for when he tried to sneak attack him. Against base sharingan sasuke b was able to pretty much kebab him while ay was tagged by sasuke with a chidori (he did body slam him afterwards forcing sasuke to use ms but u get my point) and in the war arc base b was able to overpower v1 ay in a lariat clash. Additionally, it's implied that you need similar strength and speed to perform a double lariat and bee and ay use v1 to perform the double lariat on kisame. So I've never believed that v2 ay is greater than v2 b and full 8 tails b. Especially considering v2 bee seems to be a similar buff to v2 ay from their v1 forms.
In all, I think the 4th is kind of faster, not a blitz tier above, than the 3rd, but the third is notably more durable.
Yeah literally my thoughts
27:35 what tf is this , and where can I find it
I think the old guys first group probably boots the 3rd and on kage. Why waring states period created nothing but beast. Who all died out numbered or by assassin's. And by out numbered i mean 100 to 1 or were sleeping not molding charka and got sneaked. Hokage definitely Hashirama whips everyone.
Also the sand is hard to say cause they all used magnet release except the 2nd the puppet creator. Rikage are all the same so it comes down to cloak strength and the 3rd Rikage is stronger then Aa, so he takes the Rikage. Mu and Anoki I'll take Mu. And Gengestu is the strongest Misukage. Maybe Yagara could give him a run. But still id give it to Gengestu. So it's coming down to Hokage Hashirama, Naruto, Kakashi, 3rd Rikage, Gengestu, Gaara and Mu. And in a Battle Royale I'd say Hashirama beats everyone. Like Naruto does have Kurama, however Hashirama could restrict the charka Naruto can use. And I don't see without and Avatar state he can't beat 1000 arm Caion. And it's unlikely anyone could stop a sage Edo 3/4 power Hashirama except a 10 tails host. Cause the natural energy is greater than Hashirama could match. So in a Kage alive or Edo Hashirama wins. He's that much stronger. I get Madara Edo sage mode with Rinnagan is powerful. But half his feats after rebirth are blind and without eyes. And he's that much stronger then Tobirama, Naruto, Sasuke, and all the rest. And with a single Rinnagan he Limbo cloned and one tapped the tailed beast. And that guy didn't have sage mode yet, didn't have two eyes. And Hashirama boots that guy. That's all I'm saying. If they brought Hashirama back in full power he'd beat Madara before he becomes the 10 tails. And it's not cap. We down play the wood style mastery. Mu is the only threat. Cause in base Hashirama is faster than Tobirama Tobirama created flying thunder god and became faster. Also Hashirama battled Uchiha his whole life and DOMINANCE SPEAKS VOLUMES.
The three goats in one video
27:35 where can I watch this???
He’s back!
We also need to think the younger generations can definitely out intell the old kage. They learned about there abilities as kids. As well as the weakness.
unfortunately 3 of the 4 kages required kcm1 naruto's help to take them down. kcm1 naruto (albeit a clone but naruto's clones are very relative) still scales above any of the 5 kage.
What if Pain and konan attacked the leaf in place of orochimaru?
First round: old hurizen with his anbu guards, part 1 guy and Kakashi, then garra fight Naruto and sasuke jump in? They were all in the finals arena. Rest of village is busy with the summons and konan.
Round 2: then if needed Jiraiya shows up like he did and is almost in sage Naruto’s position.
This video is genuinely a quite interesting analysis of each group of Kage.
Bro imagine a combo where Tobirama uses the tandem paperbombs on gengetsu's exploding imp. Imagine that clone getting big as shit and covered in paperbombs before just exploding the entire battlefield like a nuke.
Yugioh theme in the background is nice
We enjoy peak fiction over here
Fire upload
Mei dies first
Yessssirrrrr🔥🔥🔥🔥
You should do a tailed beast gauntlet. 1-9 tails basically which out of the most powerful Shinobi can’t make it to a certain tailed beast. Like let’s say orochimaru capping out at the 7 tails, 3rd raikage capping at the 8 tails, minatp capping out at the 9 tails ect….
Muu the mvp
@5:05 where is that clip from? (A Vs Minato)? it looked amazing!
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Mei has like op releases, lava ,gas and water but the issue is thats all she can do haha .its like shes a strong character vs people with insane hacks 😂 and all she do is spitting good
Muu solos the 5 kages -_(:/)_-
Nice. That’s an interesting match up I wouldn’t have expected.
It comes down to who beats there counterparts the fastest and I think that's Gara who go to onoki next the question is doses mu beat Gara and onoki
"Tsunade has entered the battlefield"
Ah hell, they brought in the support
Tobirama might override edo tensi
Bro about to flex out of it unironcially
27:35 yo what did that come from? Where can I watch the full thing?