Wolf Match Extra Lapua/SK vs Eley: CZ455 Lothar Walther Barrel
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- Up until about 2018 Wolf 22LR ammunition was made by SK/JAGD/Lapua. About that time, 2018 it changed to be produced by Eley.
For clarity SK is a Lapua owned company and SK along with Wolf ammunition was being made in Germany. Actual Lapua ammunition is made in Germany also but is based out of Finland. Eley branded ammunition on the other hand is made out of the UK.
All though the Wolf brand is very popular mainly known for it's steel cased 7.62x39 ammunition. For years now it has branched out with other calibers including 22LR. But Wolf is actually not am ammunition maker it is an importer, distributor, exporter as a company.
When I see big changes like this it is usually driven or backed with some sort of financial business case. Meaning Eley under bid Lapua/SK for the contract. Though there is another frame of thought that plays out as SK wanting to focus more on their brand as it has gained popularity in the 22LR world.
My bet or intuition tells me this was driven financially as there is plenty of room for both brands to exist. But that is intuition let's gather the data shoot it across the chronograph on target and see what the data tells us.
Is there a real difference comment down below?
Like your videos. You are the only other person I have seen that will adjust a scope like I do. Always made sense to me put it on the dot and move the scope to the bullet hole
Good video. Huge Eley fan. CMP used to sell bulk Eley which I believe corresponded to Eley Club. By far the most accurate and consistent ammo in all my rifles. They haven't had it for a couple of years and are currently selling Armscor bulk which is kind of crappy in all my guns. Hope they get it back some day. It was priced around 350 bucks for 5k round case, or 7 cents or so a round. Those were the days.
You are haveing way to much fun! A few years back I was shooting a lot of Wolf Match Extra but no more due to age. I had two favorite rifles a CZ American and a 1710 Anschutz. These were my go-to rifles when I shot sporter class. I have shot all the upper end bullets and to be honest Wolf deserved a spot close to the most expensive bullets you could buy.
Something you may want to try is put a 1/4" black dot on a white back ground and adjust the scope so it will be a inch or more away from the dot. It keeps your aiming point clean. It helped me when I shot groups and paid off when we took bets. I really enjoy your videos!They take me back in time for a few minutes. God bless
Im pretty late to this party but I just tested the Eley Match extra today.(7/14/22) Unfortunately what started out as, "Have I found my new BR ammo?" quickly turned into, "I can't even practice with this stuff." Not in my BR rifle at least, which is a CZ455 action with a John Langley .5 oz trigger, a Benchmark 23in 2 grove match chamber barrel set in a Klinsky stock.
I started out with a clean action and bore and after my first 5 fowlers the grouping really started to tighten up, with the next five fowlers shooting a group of .244. The problem began with the 5th round of my first group; a failure to eject, which also happened to be flyer. That surprised me as it's the first time any of my 7 CZ 22's has ever failed to eject. When I extracted the brass I could see scratches and a small gouge on the rim cause by the extractor. long story short, this happened an additional four times over the course of twenty rounds, with 2 of the FTE rounds being the flyers of their groups. I have the attachments that go on the caliper to measure rim thickness and I found about every 7th or 8th round measured .037 and the rest, .038. Measuring about 20 rounds of Tenex for comparison all came out at.038. I didn't think .001 would be the difference between extracting and not extracting so I examined the rim of a Tenex and a Wolf butted up against each other under a magnifying glass. It appeared to me that the Tenex had a slight slope on the backside of the rim whereas the Wolf was more straight up and down. I asked my wife to take a look to see if she could see any difference between the two without telling her what to look for. After about 30 seconds she came to the same conclusion.
I haven't tried this ammo in any of my other rifles yet, hopefully they won't have the same problem. My LabRadar data on the 20 rounds wasn't great but not too bad.
AVG-1101
HI-1131
LOW-1088
ES-43
SD-10.0 (same as you)
I really want to try some. I think Walnut and Steel was having good luck with the Lapua stamp. I wouldn't hesitate to shoot either as everybody seems to have good results with both!
Excellent comparison! I have used Wolf Match for a number of years and always liked it. But I have a case from several years ago which looks like it is Lapua - I need to buuy a fresh batch and get some Eley! Thanks for the video.
Really enjoy your channel and look forward to each video :)
As a .22 benchrest shooter, I find that it takes a few rounds for the barrel to "season in" after each change ammo. Simply jumping from one brand to another can skew velocities and group sizes. Try firing 5 into the backstop before testing.
Yep...
Go to 300 yds... 12"x12" steel plate... 10 shots after 10 shots warm up a barrel...
You need higher velocities
to group at 300 yd.
CZ 457 ammo RWS & Aguila 1255 fps
Try it ... Fun and easy...
A' lot cheaper!
Thank you… chronograph is very informative. What about a test of Wolf Match Target? Great shooting.
I am going to a match in a few weeks,, I am going to order the wolf match extra. Thanks for sharing the video,,, it was very helpful.
Hello from Nevada,
Man watching your videos and I get amped to go shooting. Been rough month and a half, but feeling better and hope to get out this weekend! Alway fun watching dayattherange! Take care & safe shooting!
Steve get out there even i it is only for 30 minutes and have some fun.
Great job. Your content is to the point with no BS. Eley seams to be a bit better to me.
Lapua center x will outshoot that stuff all day long and twice on Sunday I can't get any eley ammo to shoot in any of my three cz457 target rifles good shooting bro.
Hi there from an unusually warm and sunny Scotland. Thanks for your postings, look forward to watching the content, we are very restricted on our shooting here at the moment, no idea when it will return to normal so your videos brighten up my day. Keep them coming, thanks and stay safe. I've downloaded your rimfire challenge targets and will try and introduce to my club, Clyde Valley, when it resumes normal service 👍👍
Jim
Let us know how it goes Jim
Since i get the Eley version now, that's what I shoot... I still get the occasional flyer that I dont think is shooter related... i know when I screw up... I keep the ammo separated by lot, but I am now going to separate by lot AND weight. I will let ya know if that kills the flyers.
CZ453 with push set
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Thanks for sharing. Just ordered some Wolf Match Extra for my Savage MK II FV SR. Only rifle that I have. Hopefully it will shoot well.
Semper Fi
Best of luck that combo should do you well.
First I don't know how I missed this video it's a great video I remember when I could get that wolf for $25 brick was shooting it out of my Mossberg 144 at the clubs coffee can shoot I was cleaning house with it till they all found out what I was shooting it was new in them days you might be thinking whats a coffee can shoot you put 5 bucks each in a coffee can and shoot for it lot fun with good friends 5 5shot groups the best groups wins
Let me start out by saying- I love the videos.
Did you notice how the speed from the chronograph corollated with impact point?
In the 22LR speed differences are especially critical. The Eley had less differences and tighter groups.
It circles us back to the argument to weigh ammo and measure rim thickness.
Love the videos- thanks for including the chronograph it provides another level of data.
I've found that often flyers are traveling at a (statistically) considerably different velocity then the rest of the bullets in what would have been a tight group.
Would love to see you explore that while your shooting.
Thanks for the vid. I have shot wolf match extra for a few years now..Good ammo for the price,, but also match target by wolf. Lot numbers can change things alot. I have also shot gecko ammo match grade. made by rws of Germany..very good for the price when available.
I have a Savage MRKII TRR/SR. I shot Eley Target ammo for years through my Savage, then I was unable to buy Eley Target locally and started shooting CCI SV. The CCI shot nicely. I recently bought some Wolf Match extra online. My groups did tighten and I shot better with the Wolf Match Extra. I tried many .22LR brands through my rifle and the Eley always shot the best. I will buy the CCI when available only because of price. Great video too BTW
Love your videos, especially on the 22 rimfires. Everyday i look to see if you`ve posted a new 22 rimfire video.
Eley is clearly the winner in my opinion. Now if i could only find some locally. Can`t even find ANY 22 ammo at all.
I see some online in other states, but being i live in the communist state of NY, i`m not allowed to have ammo shipped to me. :(
Here behind 'Enemy Lines' in Kalifornia, I have it shipped to my FFL. I get Eley from Texas...'KILLOUGH SHOOTING SPORTS' www.killoughshootingsports.com/eley-ammunition/1095-2399-eley-tenex-rimfire-cartridges-tx-warehouse.html#/1140-lot_number_tenex_tx-1021_010501079 These days we have to be a little more resourceful to get what we need.
Edge to Eley especially if you had adjusted for the different zero. Nice rifle setup.
Palmetto arms 4.50 a box free shipping. Shoots with SK ammo.
I've got a Ruger Precision that I get about the same results with give or take a hair using CCI standard velocity.
When Wolf first came into the country and was being made in the East German factory, it shot lights out. We shoot a "cheap ammo" 50 yard benchrest match at our club - $10 or less per box of 50 - and absolutely no one uses Wolf now. The Eley made Wolf is bottom of the barrel. One guy who had bought cases of the East German ammo was a consistent winner but no one wins with the Eley stuff.
Shocked to hear that about eley
The "cheap ammo" that most of us use is SK Pistol Match Special and SK Rifle Match. We shoot two IBS targets at 50 yards and scores of 500 are shot fairly often.@@Dayattherange
Looks Eley tightened up the Wolf
Thanks for the video. Looks like Eley won this round.
It looks like Eley is slightly better, BUT... Barrel seasoning is very important in being confident of the results. Because of that factor, it should be shot enough with the new ammo before shooting for record to eliminate the possibility that the barrel seasoning is affecting the results. We all know that those two companies produce world class ammunition anyway. From one rifle to the next, the results will vary.
Late to the conversation. All my guns do not like the Wolf (Eley). I shoot great with Wolf (Lapua). I would by the SK match before I would buy the Wolf (Eley). It really comes down to what your barrel likes.
What your rifle like as we have come to find out is critical.
Big difference. Different lube, seems like Eley has a slightly hotter load.
Did you clean the barrel between the tests.
Glad to see the Eley kept sub sonic.
Have to try some..
I think cleaning a 22 barrel constantly yields worse groups. I only clean my barrel when Accuracy starts falling off.
I clean when I change lubes (from paraffin to bees wax or vise versa) & I clean after 250 shots regardless. I use one wet patch of Hoppes #9 and a couple dry patches. Don't want the bore squeaky clean just want the excess carbon out...it will take up to 20 shots to stabilize the bore again. After that & before each session, I clean the chamber only with a .17 cal. bore mop and Hoppes #9, wipe dry the mop and dry the chamber...the barrel will stabilize in usually 5 shots.
@@charlesirby9222 I don't touch them ever until my groups start to suffer. Usually takes several thousand rounds to even start to open my groups and I do that with my hmr also.
DATR, looks like Eley is a little more accurate, is there a price difference or is it just
packaging that lets you know what you're getting ?? Keep shooting, we are all still here .......
All the new manufactured stuff is eley. If it's a paper box you're getting lapua..plastic it's eley.
Ed, The way that's shooting I'd guess there's several bugs in that tuner. I would have 'tuned' for one of the brands at least b4 running a test. If any of my 22s shot over 1" I'd be changing ammo. And with "Match" ammo I'd lower that to 1/2". My most expensive .22 is a Savage B22FV ($330CDN - about $250USD, prob LESS than his scope) and just shooting CCI-SV I get 1/2 to 3/4" @ 50 yards; and better with SKPlus or 'old' Eley. Never shot 'true Match' ammo - nothing over $10CDN/box. Even my Savage 64 ($150CDN) keeps under 1" with most 'good' ammo and a $100 scope. Since the ammo is from two diff makers, I agree it prob has different lubes - I don't like those 'greasy' lubes anyway. As for cleaning between ammo types, I pull a patch with a bit of alcohol to remove some of the lube, but Hoppes etc will leave a 'film' unless you use Alcohol or something to remove that. I don't brush until about 1-200 rounds (one range trip) using an ALL Brass brush and Boretech C4 Carbon solvent to really clean the bore and especially the chamber to remove Carbon ring.
Fasteddie just because Match is in the name does not make it match ammo. Though Wolf has been good ammo it is about in the price range of SK Rifle Match. Oh by the way come on over and join the challenge we would love the company.
Why the Wolf branded rather than Eley or Lapua direct ? Did you shoot fouling rounds between the Lapua and Eley ?
How do you know which one you are buying?
I really like the SK Standard, but I can't find it anywhere. I see Wolf Extra in stock at or below the same price. Might try it out. After watching this, I'm a little nervous. My SK with punch ragged holes at 50 and under 1" at 100 if I do my part.
I'd buy Eley if I could. I can get Eley HV here and sub sonics. Thanks for the tutorial.
You may find that neather lapua or eley make wolf ammo just supply the brass components to wolf hence the head stamps just an idea
There will be a Difference between the two just the same as there is a Difference in hand loads when you change brand of brass as brass Capacity and things change
I don’t know anything about wolf as we don’t get it here but sounds Plausible
Good video and information thanks
Thanks for the video. Which chronograph are you using? I like the phone I integration.
ProChrono DLX ballistic chronograph
YO BIG DOG, 👍👍👍 good video, great content 👍👍👍
Thanks GK appreciated
What did the chasis run ya?
Hi Big Guy
Looks like Eley won this group test would it be the higher velocity of the Eley that tightened it’s groups , it would have been interesting if all the rounds were weighed rim thickness measured and sorted to compare with the chrono ‘ readings it think it make a great video if you have the time Steve , from Australia .
good video and shooting
Pretty clear that velocity has more difference than the rifle.. sure wish that you had properly zeroed, since the faster rounds were all outside the 1" circle, easily seen on the green targets...it seemed.the velocity may have made some windage.drift, also, or exaggerated the shooter's 'pull'. The rifle seems better than the ammo and the shooter !! ;-)
love that rifle
Ely..clearly the better ammo.. good shooting
Why LW barrel does not make a good grouping on such a good platform
A bit disappointed,
Like many 22 barrels finding the ammo it likes is very important.
Lapua just don't have time to make wolf ammo. they can't keep up with make their own ammo. Right now, Lapua is outsell Eley 10 to 1 There is a ton of Eley on the market all their good ammo Tenex and black box. You can't hardly fine any good Lapua like Midas+ Center X or X-act. Its all on backorder
Ellly bad ass.
Try to re-adjust your tuner
I would ahve thought the LW barrel would have performed better than that. Seemed groups were on par with a factory barrel. Has it gotten better?
Groups have got better the more I shoot it yes. One thing I do notice is it is not as picky about ammo. Where my factory barrel really liked CenterX and SK Rifle Match. With CenterX my best group has been 0.280in with the Lothar Walther barrel I have turned in a 0.160in group with CCISV.
I've shot both outta my 40x thay are big different
That is one sexy rifle, great 📹
You must a connection on match ammo I can’t find it anywhere
Here behind 'Enemy Lines' in Kalifornia, I have it shipped to my FFL. I get Eley from Texas...'KILLOUGH SHOOTING SPORTS' www.killoughshootingsports.com/eley-ammunition/1095-2399-eley-tenex-rimfire-cartridges-tx-warehouse.html#/1140-lot_number_tenex_tx-1021_010501079 These days we have to be a little more resourceful to get what we need.
Try some Norma Tac 22. Best ammo on market by far for the money.
I agree!!! It has shot amazing for me out of my CZ 457. Roughly $7/box and even as low as $3/box (PSA special) can’t beat it.
Good chorse
Paper box was made by lapua..now eley makes them and put them in plastic boxes
Eley.
by the way, WOLF is Eley's low end ammo. $150 a brick vs $200 for the Eley Match. also, even for Wolf at 100 yards those are terrible groups. is that really a CZ ??? my CZ 557 shoots even the cheap Norma Tactical within a third inch at 100 yards and my Christensen does slightly better. just barely out of the same hole. I could tell you weren't really into it though. great effort, from a brother US Marine to another :o)
Need to trade that sucker for a anschutz 54 repeater and never look back.
Can you please get that flag off the floor
Bro I use the wolf exclusively in all my guns.... but I weight sort them... it takes out about 95 percent of the flyers ... I've found a 1 to 3 grain difference and in my experience 3 grains will cause flyers. B blessed bro
What is your rest?
It is a Ransom Front Rifle Rest