the Fall of Activision/Blizzard is almost as entertaining as the Fall of 76 (aka the Fall of Bethesda). it just keep getting better with every bad decision those companies make
White CIS toxic bearded male used violence to force big company to destroy the evidence. Blizzard that supports women, BLM and LGBT would never do anything bad.
Without them California can ask the courts to treat the HR reports as if they are incriminating and that's why they destroyed them. Normally they will especially with all the testimony on California's side and the removal of the company head.
Depends on the size of the company. Some small businesses just want to make sure their workers are treated appropriately. As things scale and become less personal, these things become more of a pragmatic business requirement.
"shredding is not illegal" you should ask Arthur Anderson the oldest and most prestigious accounting firm in America about that.... Oh wait you can't because they were fined out of existence for shredding documents related to Enron.
"With a **Zero Tolerance** approach to harassment" Every school I've known has had a "zero tolerance" policy of bullying, but I remember things differently.
So true, even the teachers bullied kids at my school and they were posing themselves as "Loving and anti-bullying catholic community" But they were rotten to the core and kids followed by example.
@@k2m90ps We have this problem in the hospital too. I see some nurses/psw bully very ill patients because the patient is a bit "needy". It's quite sad.
HR is not there to protect the worker. They are there to protect the company. HR that stands up to the company gets fired. It’s really as simple as that.
@@Jonnecy nah.. The company is breaking. It's not financially profitable soon enoough, with 10% WoW playerbase alone that is remaining from it's highest peak. Think about that 90% of peak player amount had already quit WoW before this scandal came out. And that's their most popular title.
FBI destroys evidence all the time, since long before Waco and Ruby Ridge. They were set up to be Hoover's secret police/gestapo in the 1920's. They didn't go after organized crime very seriously, but they were effective at taking out it's competitors.
@@libertyfirst9280 it's a shit post joke. You either hit like, ignore it, or say fuck off. If you need to strap a tinfoil hat on and go into conspiracy mode to contradict a shit post, you either don't get the joke, or you are fucking retarded.
To quote a final fantasy game "If the punishment for a crime is a fine, that law only applies to the lower class." Blizzard positioning themselves to only receive fines or to be able to place blame as close to the bottom line as possible seems to be their primary goal to stem the tide of other lawsuits that would come from the condemning evidence.
Just HR 'accidentally' losing the papers does indeed not mean its gone. It could be backed up on servers, still in memory of harddrives or even still on computers that filed the complaint.
This! Confiscate and image everything, then let them have the servers and stuff back so they can you know, do business, but you still have the images to analyze, maybe imaging the actual game servers are a waste of time but definitely internal servers and websites and such, along with a fair sample if not all of the workstations, from that a lot of the culture of the company and hard evidence can be assembled, probably along with timelines leading up to and past particular events, I myself particularly wonder what the timeline around the suicide looks like, how people reacted, what people said and why, what high ranking people said and why, etc In any case it would add a lot of context and clarity to the situation as a whole
@@paulmccarthy4277 "boring ass" = incorrect, as evidenced by the growing number of players who enjoy it and invest in the story "weebo" = not sure you know the meaning of weeb and apply it as a blanket term to anything Japanese, not sure you can be taught either "storygame" = games are there for the story. If they weren't they'd just be works of art and tech demos to be looked at. Argument could be made that a game being fun is as important as it having a story, I digress - entirely dependent on opinion of the gamer in question tl;dr: meagre troll attempt, try again
@@paulmccarthy4277 there are a lot of other viable MMO alternative then FF14 if you want to switch. BDO = if you like to grind SOLO = If you like wuxia or just want to have a chill Action MMO Lost Ark = Dunno, seems to be huge and really popular right now + All the older MMOs like Guild Wars 2, SWOTOR, RS, etc.
@@DisemboweII unrelated to the original point, games are most definitely not only for stories, unless you think the ‘Princess is in another castle’ story of Super Mario Bros the reason it was popular and not the addictive, smooth, and compelling platforming. Obviously there are a million other examples of this. That’s not to say some games value story above all else. Generally though, games are for playing, and not for story.
lol Just delete the people's jobs if they making trouble as say they need to make room for the diversity hire. Two birds with one stone. Makes all the problems go away and something to celebrate as the distraction to cover it up. Works every time.
Any company that throws around “diversity and inclusivity” are the same as the liberal loonies in America who say the same shit but say something so racist the kkk wouldn’t even recruit them
@@tavirosu25 Edit: I know you are referring to rape cases on campus between students but just throwing out abuse of power relations that is common at university. Professors are widely known to have sexual relations with their young female students (fresh out of high school so just hitting 18) that they teach/lecture, it's so bad that most universities have had to set up policies for it but the faculty unions always vote against prohibiting professors from engaging in those relationships (i.e., they want to keep allowing it because the old pervs prey on young impressionable girls), it's an abuse of power. Professors, mentors, teachers or leaders shouldn't be fucking their students and/or mentees.
"We took appropriate steps to preserve information relevant to the DEFH investigation" = "Blizzzard has deemed this information about Blizzard to not be relevant to the DEFH and it has been deleted"
100% you learn this is business college. HR is to minimize loss from not only external sources but internal sources as well. The class specifically listed "litigation" the main thing that drives losses that HR is tasked with reducing.
Ture, but in a good company, there is no conflict of interest between those two goals. Conflicts arise when bad people are placed in positions of power within a company. That's when HR is presented with no-win situations. Ideally, you're protecting the company by protecting its employees. If you're not, then the company has gone wrong.
@@placeholdername0000 And make Union Bosses rich while your checks are peppered with fees and obligations while the Unions barter for bare-bones contracts that only senior members benefit from while newer members are powerless nor given reasonable terms. Unions are NOT always the answer and more often than not now, cause more issues than they solve.
Unlike wow, the lawsuit already released its first patch and actually knows how to build up a villain lorewise. Can only imagine how epic the bobby bossfight is gonna be heard he drops a neat mount too
Either they were attempting to avoid prison, or they sold their baby to Activision and saw it go to complete shit and were powerless to change anything, so they took the payout and let it rot. Either way, they're mostly suckers. Likeable, passionate, but still suckers. To sell their creation out - Blizzard - was a failure of responsibility and integrity.
That was the biggest lesson I learned when getting a corporate job, HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND. They are there 100% to manage paperwork related to employees and protect the company.
Light civil penalty? It's felony obstruction, minimum. If they still get them on the original charges too... then it's felony obstruction + felony conspiracy.
@@danlorett2184 Wrong. In this case it's a civil penalty. This is why they did it. They calculated the cost of paying the fine is lower than the cost of all the evidence getting out.
Destroying evidence in a civil trial is a bad idea. The act of destroying evidence can be used as evidence in a civil trial since you only need to prove probability as opposed to certainty.
@@shiontanaka4103 You're missing the point. The point is the civil penalties for destroying the evidence is less than the penalties that the companies would've incurred had the evidence been exposed. It's case of unknown unknowns as Asmongold explained in the video.
Blizzard: "they have no evidence" Also Blizzard: *destroys evidence Fascinating. Baffling. Legitimately at a loss for words, how the fuck wouldn't people take that as an admission of guilt in court? What's the saying? "Nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide?" Well obviously they had something to hide . . .
It is. If this can be proved, Blizzard is considered to automatically lose the lawsuit as the Judge MUST take what the Prosecution says was in those documents in the worst possible light and move on to slamming Blizzard with the harshest punishment possible for that. This could also lead to additional criminal charges which again, Blizz may not be allowed to defend themselves against due to it being stuff in the destroyed evidence.
I don't understand why people are still playing Blizzard Activision games. I deleted my account back during the Hong Kong debacle. Delete your account!
it's Ironic because the mother company Act/Blizz started as a revolution against the capitalism and corruption of Atari, and now days they become so much worse then Atari
This is the hill Blizzard is really standing on huh? Doubling down on their “innocence” even though there’s evidence to the contrary. Right. Okay then…
YES! I was thinking exactly this! "We ran this request past our lawyers, and it's missing signatures, initials, and this other thing so it's not a proper request. Sorry!" *immediately gets rid of whatever was asked for so when the request is corrected there will be nothing to hand over*
My BS detector goes wild everytime I see inclusive and exclusive writing at the same time: "complied with every proper request" "Hey boss, good news! I've completed all the proper tasks you've assigned to me!" "Amazing! Hey, wait you only completed 1 out of 100 tasks?" "Yeah, I said all proper tasks, those other 99 I did not find proper"
If everything goes their way then they might just get off with felony obstruction (not a minor crime). If they still get convicted of the actual crime, then they get minimum of felony obstruction ON TOP of their other charges and if they can prove the destruction of evidence was intentional then you get felony conspiracy charges on top of that. Realistically this is an absolutely MASSIVE risk because if you catch the original charge + obstruction + conspiracy, that is going to be WAY MORE jail time than just the original charge.
@@danlorett2184 That's for sure. But for what it looks like they are doing everything to not let loose ends. But I do hope the people in charge get in jail for all this BS
@@danlorett2184 nothing will happen to blizzard. A powerful corporation, they will walk away Scot free after sacrificing a handful of executives and paying themselves huge bonuses. As for the business? The stock price will recover in a couple months - gamers are fickle and investors know this. In a few months gamers will have forgotten all this tragedy when blizzard slaps a 'remastered' sticker on Diablo. Absolutely nothing will change.
The way WoW players are reacting to the level of depravity/criminality at Blizzard definitely hits home. Just having the base expectation that creators you admire won’t be criminals or beyond-normal vicious is too much for a lot of people. Really sucks.
The way a company treats its customers is usually an indicator of how they treat their non management level employees. So none of it is a surprise considering the basic changes they refused to make from customer feedback over and over and over again.
Depends on the company. If a company has a good working environment, then the HR department will have the motivation to take care of its employees in order to keep that working environment stay good. If the company has a bad working environment, then the HR Department will be out of control, resulting to not having the time to help its employees since they are also busy looking out for themselves. For short, it goes hand in hand. I should know, since I worked as a Human Resource Associate for five years.
Holy shit. Asmongold is on point when he describes the HR department. The NEET is more informed than the people who dedicate their lives to these corporations.
@Honudes Gai Same here in a way quit during the first week of BFA, came back in 8.3 for SL, quit during the 3rd week of SL, came back for TBC, quit during my first day LOL, I'm nearly fully convinced that WoW is just over at this point, redemption is beyond Blizzard now, this was their last shot
"no one reported harassment, and any who did isnt available on record because human resources was getting rid of them, so its still kinda like no one reported any"
FYI, “illegal non disclosure agreements” don’t hold up in court. Whistle blow, take the evidence and turn it over good people still at Blizzard, the law supports you, and so does the gamers.
Anyone reading this. Consult with an attorney first. Illegal non disclosures have to be proven illegal in court. This ain't rock paper scissors. It's the contract stands as is until proven illegal in a court of law. Sorry not court of law. Court of equity.
Problem with that is law and gamers won't feed them. Friend of mine is a software engineer he sued his company since then he is blackballed, whistleblowers are not really popular to hire. That's why everyones first thought is to shut up and mind their own business. Now you understand why there isn't really a flock of people from Blizzard talking to the press and police about these incidents and just wait to see what's gonna happen. Truth and justice "crusades" are cool only in the movies in real life, not so much.
@@t.r.2283 there is a law to protect whistelbloweres and even one who encurage such things and one where whistelblowers of other cuntries are protected if they face to severe of a punishment in theyr countrie
I don't know how people can still defend this. Honestly the fact that there are still people going out of their way to defend blizzard despite...literally everything is just irritating
Brand loyalty, the end goal of consumerism. Could be video games, could be a sports team, could be a clothing brand, could be a TV show, could be anything. A lot of people will find some sort of product and attach their entire identity to it. These types of people are so boring and hollow that they substitute Brand™ for personality. They're no different than the people whose entire identity revolves around their sexuality.
"Fines are easy and good for the company in the long run. Everything coming to light would just make things worse." Blizzard "Did you just say destroy evidence" PR 😉
@@alexander1055 True, but he did set the example for them how to behave. And sadly, they followed that example and the games slowly became the crapfests they are today.
At this point I feel like the only thing keeping the majority of people playing World of Warcraft is a combination of Stockholm Syndrome and Sunk-Cost Fallacy.
Really? I can tell you that the one that has some kind of syndrome is you my friend. Why?! Because I don't even have time to follow this circus with blizzard because of working hard and I simply login and play WoW with a cold beer next to me after a hard working day ( iron). Meanwhile you... Stopped playing your favorite game, because some people you've never met in your life have law problems?! Please tell me, who's the one who suffers by some kind of syndrome?!...
Hree's how i think that logic went: Bobby: Anything that impedes our integrity will be dealt with. Paper trail: (impedes the company's integrity) Bobby's logic: Get rid of the evidence.
I don’t think Bobby “let’s lay off hundreds of people to save money” Kotik should be saying to get rid of _anything_ that hurts the company’s integrity…
Pretty much decades of anti union legislation and efforts by all branches of government to weaken unionizing efforts and the actual power unions have once formed. That plus being flooded by anti-union propaganda from every media source has pretty much gutted the working class in this country. That’s neoliberal policy for ya
It can be easily abused and heads of the union get rich off the union dues. It had ties to organized crime. Not all unions are like that i imagine but a lot were.
Corporations have convinced a majority of the people that it's bad. It's the socialist boogeyman. Just like with "trickle down" economics and our for-profit health care. What's behind it all? Capitalism. Too many people have been convinced to hate what is in their better interest.
The ironic thing is vivendi was dissolved when blizzard did the merger it wasn’t the other way around. Idk why people think “activision” magically took over blizzard that’s just not true. It was the other way around. People are just now figuring out that it’s blizzard making the calls and always has. The fanboys just wouldn’t accept the shit coming out pointing the finger at “activision” which was vivendi.
In my honest opinion, if a company destroys evidence then it should be standardized and accepted that they're in fact responsible for whatever crime they're accused of committing, assuming there's a strong reason to want to see said evidence, on top of a hefty fine for destroying evidence. I still don't understand the law system to this day, how breaking the law even more can lead to lesser punishments.
"The past days have been a time of reflection for the World of Warcraft team, spent in conversation and contemplation, full of sadness, pain, and anger, but also hope and resolve." *Shreds evidence*
@@AmunRa1 couldn’t agree more. I started wow almost a year ago and pretty much am giving up. Not gonna wait over a year for 2 patches. Square is better in comparison because they have some shred of common sense in my eyes. Sucks either way. I hate that I got invested and now they clown around like this.
Not completely true but thankfully if you are late to the party. All of the Expansions up to the last expansion is included in base price but newest expansion needs purchased. So that's nice.
Reminds me of when Hillary Clinton was subpoenaed and asked to turn over all work related e-mails on her secret server. She turned in all work-related emails, and deleted the rest with BleachBit, claiming the deleted e-mails were about yoga and shit.
Blizzard: "If the allegations were true, they would report it to HR"
Also Blizzard: Proceed to erase the HR reports. "Oops"
Blizzards Line Of Thinking: “Bill slipped and dropped it in the shredder we let him go so no need to sue right?”
Like toby's secret file in New York in the office lol
@@adscott27 HR everywhere LOVES paper
@@adscott27 drive accidentally got dumped into water then smashed. dunno how this could have happened
@@mrsn3sbit888 😂😂😂
IMHO this is the most entertained I have been by Blizzard in ages.
Big true.
Last time for me was Diablo 2.
I love watching the downfall of blizzard. I have been waiting for it for years.
@@kushpaladin To be honest I never hoped for their downfall but I must say it does seem they really deserve it.
the Fall of Activision/Blizzard is almost as entertaining as the Fall of 76 (aka the Fall of Bethesda). it just keep getting better with every bad decision those companies make
Blizzard when HR destroyed evidence: “Why would Asmongold do this?!?!”
White CIS toxic bearded male used violence to force big company to destroy the evidence. Blizzard that supports women, BLM and LGBT would never do anything bad.
@@panzerhund8511 Almost got me on this post-irony sarcasm.
@@dargus1718 i wouldnt go as far as calling the people op is reffering to as mentally stable
California: We need the HR reports
Blizzard: You think you do, but you don’t
Actual lol moment
Without them California can ask the courts to treat the HR reports as if they are incriminating and that's why they destroyed them. Normally they will especially with all the testimony on California's side and the removal of the company head.
@@badger_ninja8681 your a lawyer?
Lmao this is awesome 👌 👏 👍
Depends on the size of the company. Some small businesses just want to make sure their workers are treated appropriately. As things scale and become less personal, these things become more of a pragmatic business requirement.
"We destroyed evidence, but it's still the players fault!"
-Blizzard
We have removed the /slap since people think Bill slapped er in the shredder!
-Blizz Cosby.
@@hinglemcgringleberry Underrated comment. Priceless.
"We had to destroy evidence because people are toxic towards our GMs."
You bet your ass I'm the problem. I do not have an active subscription
"shredding is not illegal" you should ask Arthur Anderson the oldest and most prestigious accounting firm in America about that.... Oh wait you can't because they were fined out of existence for shredding documents related to Enron.
Or just ask the austrian chancellor and his Party 😅
"With a **Zero Tolerance** approach to harassment"
Every school I've known has had a "zero tolerance" policy of bullying, but I remember things differently.
zero tolerance for acknowledging bullying
So true, even the teachers bullied kids at my school and they were posing themselves as "Loving and anti-bullying catholic community" But they were rotten to the core and kids followed by example.
@@k2m90ps
We have this problem in the hospital too. I see some nurses/psw bully very ill patients because the patient is a bit "needy". It's quite sad.
HR is not there to protect the worker. They are there to protect the company. HR that stands up to the company gets fired. It’s really as simple as that.
And HR that complies gets taken care of, handsomely
my old hr worker at walmart was so bad he would legit lie to people face to get them out the door
thanks for repeating the exact same thing asmon just said
Human Rejects is what we clandestinely called them when I worked in I.T.
Sorry for asking. What does HR mean?
Knowing Blizzard, they'll release a Classic version of the evidence in about fifteen years.
Charging the price of a triple A, not overdated evidence.
Most underrated comment here
Thank you for the laugh pal
Unlike in WoW, we are getting content from this lawsuit pretty regulary.
Its because someone else is doing it (not blizzard)
So much "passion" in this lawsuit KEKW
Blizzard: “We did not shred documents…
Diversity.”
WTF this is unironically true lmao
They have a “diverse” way of disposing of evidence.
HR is there to protect the company, not you. Remember that!
Words of wisdom
Should be renamed from HR to CR not Human Resources but company resources
Isn't this obstruction of justice?
Same thing with unions. They’re there to help themselves not you.
9.1.5 should not release... wow should be deleted effective immediately
"Asmongold is so toxic, we shredded evidence." -Blizzard
"Asmongold is so toxic his toxicity infected our network and now all the data is gone" - Blizzard employee on twitter
Agreed
can't wait for all this drama to come to a close so we can get an Internet Historian video on it
Damn, I hadn't thought about that. I can't wait!
only thing thats gonna happen is a slap on the wrist and thats it.
At least that will be a silverlining over this crapshow.
@@Jonnecy nah..
The company is breaking. It's not financially profitable soon enoough, with 10% WoW playerbase alone that is remaining from it's highest peak. Think about that 90% of peak player amount had already quit WoW before this scandal came out. And that's their most popular title.
He's going to have to make it a multi part series at this rate lol
Everyone trying to release the wow killer game
Blizzard : Fine I'll do it myself
everyone: it's impossible to kill wow.
blizzard porbably: I like doing the impossible
Come on Guys, We all know that "HR" stands for Hiding Resources.
Hushing resources
Harassing Resources
Hiding Rape
human raping
Hairy rats
Blizzard: *caught shredding evidences*
Also Blizzard: "It's the fault of the bald one and other toxic youtubers"
FBI: Why did you shred all of these important documents?
Blizzard: Do you guys not have Tape?
FBI destroys evidence all the time, since long before Waco and Ruby Ridge. They were set up to be Hoover's secret police/gestapo in the 1920's. They didn't go after organized crime very seriously, but they were effective at taking out it's competitors.
Ah yes, the whataboutism argument.
@@ahmataevo I'm beginning to think you don't understand the joke
@@ronaldreagan9408 it’s only tangentially related fact, but fact nonetheless. Doesn’t mean that he comprehends or doesn’t comprehend the joke.
@@libertyfirst9280 it's a shit post joke. You either hit like, ignore it, or say fuck off. If you need to strap a tinfoil hat on and go into conspiracy mode to contradict a shit post, you either don't get the joke, or you are fucking retarded.
To quote a final fantasy game "If the punishment for a crime is a fine, that law only applies to the lower class."
Blizzard positioning themselves to only receive fines or to be able to place blame as close to the bottom line as possible seems to be their primary goal to stem the tide of other lawsuits that would come from the condemning evidence.
imo, what California should do is take all harddrives including servers and see how fast they puzzle the papers together again.
honestly, knowing blizzard at this point, they would fry all their servers and sacrifice their games to cover their asses
Just HR 'accidentally' losing the papers does indeed not mean its gone. It could be backed up on servers, still in memory of harddrives or even still on computers that filed the complaint.
This! Confiscate and image everything, then let them have the servers and stuff back so they can you know, do business, but you still have the images to analyze, maybe imaging the actual game servers are a waste of time but definitely internal servers and websites and such, along with a fair sample if not all of the workstations, from that a lot of the culture of the company and hard evidence can be assembled, probably along with timelines leading up to and past particular events, I myself particularly wonder what the timeline around the suicide looks like, how people reacted, what people said and why, what high ranking people said and why, etc
In any case it would add a lot of context and clarity to the situation as a whole
I though you were gonna say take the harddrives and see if they can make the game better
That's not how things work.
"No mr. State of California, it wasn't me who destroyed the evidence, it was the bald streamer! Believe me, he's a vicious one!"
Asmon switched to FFXIV at the perfect time, my god. Blizzard is fucked...
Yes the boring ass weebo storygame will save everyone from blizzards wrath.
@@paulmccarthy4277 "boring ass" = incorrect, as evidenced by the growing number of players who enjoy it and invest in the story
"weebo" = not sure you know the meaning of weeb and apply it as a blanket term to anything Japanese, not sure you can be taught either
"storygame" = games are there for the story. If they weren't they'd just be works of art and tech demos to be looked at. Argument could be made that a game being fun is as important as it having a story, I digress - entirely dependent on opinion of the gamer in question
tl;dr: meagre troll attempt, try again
@@paulmccarthy4277 Inhale your Copium supply slowly, so you don't burn through it too quickly.
@@paulmccarthy4277 there are a lot of other viable MMO alternative then FF14 if you want to switch.
BDO = if you like to grind
SOLO = If you like wuxia or just want to have a chill Action MMO
Lost Ark = Dunno, seems to be huge and really popular right now
+ All the older MMOs like Guild Wars 2, SWOTOR, RS, etc.
@@DisemboweII unrelated to the original point, games are most definitely not only for stories, unless you think the ‘Princess is in another castle’ story of Super Mario Bros the reason it was popular and not the addictive, smooth, and compelling platforming. Obviously there are a million other examples of this. That’s not to say some games value story above all else. Generally though, games are for playing, and not for story.
Blizzard: We did NOT shred anything!
Everyone: Yeah, but did you delete anyth-
Blizzard: wE vALuE DiVeRsiTY aNd InCLuSiViTy!!!
lol Just delete the people's jobs if they making trouble as say they need to make room for the diversity hire. Two birds with one stone. Makes all the problems go away and something to celebrate as the distraction to cover it up. Works every time.
Any company that throws around “diversity and inclusivity” are the same as the liberal loonies in America who say the same shit but say something so racist the kkk wouldn’t even recruit them
Blizzard: "This paper shredder's an asshole..."
We will now ban /shred from wow because shredding paper is bad an we're making changes to progress
@@BunnyOnASnuman underrated comment
They find a final fantasy logo on their shredder
No matter how much paper we put in, it just keeps destroying everything. That paper shredder is a real jerk.
Found out someone shredded evidence -> jail them for life.
Time to set some examples.
It's like when colleges tell victims of crimes to not call the cops and let the university handle it.
EXACTLY
@@tavirosu25 Obama was not born in the 1800s.
@@tavirosu25 Edit: I know you are referring to rape cases on campus between students but just throwing out abuse of power relations that is common at university.
Professors are widely known to have sexual relations with their young female students (fresh out of high school so just hitting 18) that they teach/lecture, it's so bad that most universities have had to set up policies for it but the faculty unions always vote against prohibiting professors from engaging in those relationships (i.e., they want to keep allowing it because the old pervs prey on young impressionable girls), it's an abuse of power.
Professors, mentors, teachers or leaders shouldn't be fucking their students and/or mentees.
@@brokentower3148 nor was he born in America either 🤣
@@jamestomlin5525 just fyi he was born in Hawaii.
"We took appropriate steps to preserve information relevant to the DEFH investigation" = "Blizzzard has deemed this information about Blizzard to not be relevant to the DEFH and it has been deleted"
HR is there to protect the company Not the employees.
100% you learn this is business college.
HR is to minimize loss from not only external sources but internal sources as well. The class specifically listed "litigation" the main thing that drives losses that HR is tasked with reducing.
Ture, but in a good company, there is no conflict of interest between those two goals. Conflicts arise when bad people are placed in positions of power within a company. That's when HR is presented with no-win situations. Ideally, you're protecting the company by protecting its employees. If you're not, then the company has gone wrong.
Thats why you join a union.
@@placeholdername0000 And make Union Bosses rich while your checks are peppered with fees and obligations while the Unions barter for bare-bones contracts that only senior members benefit from while newer members are powerless nor given reasonable terms. Unions are NOT always the answer and more often than not now, cause more issues than they solve.
@@taylemgames2652 I suppose that's why Jimmy Hoffa disappeared in 1975 right?
Unlike wow, the lawsuit already released its first patch and actually knows how to build up a villain lorewise. Can only imagine how epic the bobby bossfight is gonna be
heard he drops a neat mount too
Its a shitty water mount, a yacht.
I bet this is why many employees quit in the last few years to avoid going to prison.
Either they were attempting to avoid prison, or they sold their baby to Activision and saw it go to complete shit and were powerless to change anything, so they took the payout and let it rot.
Either way, they're mostly suckers. Likeable, passionate, but still suckers. To sell their creation out - Blizzard - was a failure of responsibility and integrity.
now we know why Jeff left...
@@latoek depends
Sexual harassment lawsuit: *Exists*
Blizzard: This entire HR archive must be purged
They did this for the lore. Jim Raynor chose to purge.
Yikes, someone must have tripped and kicked those documents into paper shredder.
Nah, someone probably thought the recycle bin was a folder to put documents in and someone else accidently emptied it
That was the biggest lesson I learned when getting a corporate job, HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND. They are there 100% to manage paperwork related to employees and protect the company.
Yeah HR isn't your friend, it's the companies PR department
Destroying evidence should be a severe crime with high jailtime for anyone involved instead of the light civil penalty it is now.
but then the ones who made the system wouldnt be able to play it anymore...
Light civil penalty? It's felony obstruction, minimum. If they still get them on the original charges too... then it's felony obstruction + felony conspiracy.
@@danlorett2184 Wrong. In this case it's a civil penalty. This is why they did it. They calculated the cost of paying the fine is lower than the cost of all the evidence getting out.
Destroying evidence in a civil trial is a bad idea. The act of destroying evidence can be used as evidence in a civil trial since you only need to prove probability as opposed to certainty.
@@shiontanaka4103 You're missing the point. The point is the civil penalties for destroying the evidence is less than the penalties that the companies would've incurred had the evidence been exposed. It's case of unknown unknowns as Asmongold explained in the video.
Blizzard: "they have no evidence"
Also Blizzard: *destroys evidence
Fascinating. Baffling. Legitimately at a loss for words, how the fuck wouldn't people take that as an admission of guilt in court? What's the saying? "Nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide?" Well obviously they had something to hide . . .
It is. If this can be proved, Blizzard is considered to automatically lose the lawsuit as the Judge MUST take what the Prosecution says was in those documents in the worst possible light and move on to slamming Blizzard with the harshest punishment possible for that. This could also lead to additional criminal charges which again, Blizz may not be allowed to defend themselves against due to it being stuff in the destroyed evidence.
@@Barret9559 I sure hope so.
@@viedralavinova8266 keep on dreaming. Activision just needs to let some Money flow and the Punishment will be much less severe than it should be.
Luckily you have a jury in the US. The jury could find them guilty without sufficient evidence.
@@Ghost1170 Exactly because it wants Money the individual People behind it are open for Bribery.
Nothing says “acknowledging our issues and taking them seriously” like burning all the evidence
The burning crusade
I don't understand why people are still playing Blizzard Activision games.
I deleted my account back during the Hong Kong debacle.
Delete your account!
Overwatch was a lootbox gamble simulator at this point anyway. The games have become less and less inspired.
@@Christian-eq7uh yes damnit. I haven't had fun playing it in quite a while.
Im just holding on my childhood....im riding it out
More reason to let the company burn itself to the ground. They do not care about workers, or the players of their games.
Missed opportunity for Morheim to name his new company Phoenix entertainment lol
As long as their mobile franchise still there.. They re gonna be fine.. And they choose konami route
Or the share holders, or the press or the law, or the [insert something here]...
it's Ironic because the mother company Act/Blizz started as a revolution against the capitalism and corruption of Atari, and now days they become so much worse then Atari
This is the hill Blizzard is really standing on huh? Doubling down on their “innocence” even though there’s evidence to the contrary.
Right. Okay then…
come play runescape, apparently they just fired a guy for grooming kids. who knows what else goes on at jagex, every place is shitting the bed lol.
If that's the hill they want to die on, give me a shovel so I can dig the grave they'll be kicked into.
ABK: "We have cooperated with every proper request"
Translation: "We didn't cooperate with anything that we considered improper"
YES! I was thinking exactly this! "We ran this request past our lawyers, and it's missing signatures, initials, and this other thing so it's not a proper request. Sorry!" *immediately gets rid of whatever was asked for so when the request is corrected there will be nothing to hand over*
Exactly
“What, don’t you guys have shredders?”
this is better than the in game story
Underrated comment
what story
I'm saying.
Blizzard "Shredding documents is in the TOS, we also banned you for 6 months"
Government "Oh"
I can totally see the company helding the judge's account with 1000h of WoW hostage.
My BS detector goes wild everytime I see inclusive and exclusive writing at the same time: "complied with every proper request"
"Hey boss, good news! I've completed all the proper tasks you've assigned to me!"
"Amazing! Hey, wait you only completed 1 out of 100 tasks?"
"Yeah, I said all proper tasks, those other 99 I did not find proper"
Blizzard - destroys evidence of crimes against employees
Also Blizzard - "This is the gamers' fault!"
You didn't want these documents anyway, it's just nostalgia speaking
They are doing it because the penalty of erasing evidence is less than the penalty for the actual crime they commited. Big brain for big crimes.
If everything goes their way then they might just get off with felony obstruction (not a minor crime). If they still get convicted of the actual crime, then they get minimum of felony obstruction ON TOP of their other charges and if they can prove the destruction of evidence was intentional then you get felony conspiracy charges on top of that. Realistically this is an absolutely MASSIVE risk because if you catch the original charge + obstruction + conspiracy, that is going to be WAY MORE jail time than just the original charge.
@@danlorett2184 That's for sure. But for what it looks like they are doing everything to not let loose ends. But I do hope the people in charge get in jail for all this BS
@@danlorett2184 nothing will happen to blizzard. A powerful corporation, they will walk away Scot free after sacrificing a handful of executives and paying themselves huge bonuses.
As for the business? The stock price will recover in a couple months - gamers are fickle and investors know this. In a few months gamers will have forgotten all this tragedy when blizzard slaps a 'remastered' sticker on Diablo.
Absolutely nothing will change.
Never knew Sombra was working in Blizzard's HR department..
Why is she mad they hacked the HR files into a paper shredder LOL.
Blizzard employees calling Asmon a piece of shit while they shred sensitive legal documents is amazing 😂
They call him that because he managed to figure them out, which is infuriating. Honestly, I can understand where they're coming from
@@kijuma7520
“You found out we’re pieces of sh1t, therefore, you’re a piece of sh1t.”
-BLIZZARD
The way WoW players are reacting to the level of depravity/criminality at Blizzard definitely hits home. Just having the base expectation that creators you admire won’t be criminals or beyond-normal vicious is too much for a lot of people. Really sucks.
Hundreds of years of "never meet your idols" and not one person learns.
The company cannot be saved, it must be purged.
SICKNESS MUST BE PURGED
@@kdc1776 THIS SHALL BE A MERCY
The way a company treats its customers is usually an indicator of how they treat their non management level employees. So none of it is a surprise considering the basic changes they refused to make from customer feedback over and over and over again.
Fines only punish poor people. Companies, all the time, will pay the fines and just break the law. Cost of doing business as usual.
My feeling is they will dissolve and rebrand.
Customer will pay for it anyway.
@@Bartooc only if they still have customers ;)
@@Vasana612 Oh they will. There's enough Blizzard pay piggies out there!
I thought everyone already knew Human Resources is not there to protect the employee, but to protect the organization. Isn't this just widely known?
Depends on the company. If a company has a good working environment, then the HR department will have the motivation to take care of its employees in order to keep that working environment stay good.
If the company has a bad working environment, then the HR Department will be out of control, resulting to not having the time to help its employees since they are also busy looking out for themselves.
For short, it goes hand in hand. I should know, since I worked as a Human Resource Associate for five years.
My daily morning routine: bathroom, coffee & protein pancakes, check actizzard stock & laugh, have a great day
On a serious note, this might be a good time to short sell... hmm...
You taking about Kodiak cakes? Or other protein pancakes? Kodiak cakes are insanely good I have them every morning .
Looks like your laughing at yourself. Their stock price is actually higher than what it was 6 months ago. Educate yourself
@@therealklari Activision Blizzard? Uhh, no it's not. It's down 15.48 percent over the past six months. Maybe you should take your own advice. XD
Asmon: Complains about certain employees being left out of the lawsuit.
California: Next day patch to include them.
Blizzard: How is this possible?!
remember when Blizzard publicly asked victims to reach out to their legal and hr team? lmao
Holy shit. Asmongold is on point when he describes the HR department. The NEET is more informed than the people who dedicate their lives to these corporations.
Blizzard: Picks up lawsuit quest, finds an exploit, finishes the quest, and avoids ban-hammer... Ding!
The oblivion combat soundtrack in the background makes this even spicier.
Actually it's Skyrim's soundtrack
You know "caught with their pants down" applies so much to blizzard I'm starting to think they don't have pants
Can't be wearing pants when there is cube crawls to conduct.
"what, don't you guys have pants?"
your performance is fine. you have never been late or sick. but those pants... fired
@@Legomanshorts-c5o lol
"Corporations are people, my friend,” Romney said.
Put them in jail!
I will only consider corporations people, once a corporation got executed.
Put... who, in jail? Everyone who works at the corporation? The entire board of directors? Just the CEO? The whole HR department?
@@thetheory6159 Their money. =p. You can open a criminal investigation, it isn't like it doesn't have precedent. It just rarely ever happens..... =/.
A good reminder to keep copies for yourself whenever possible
@@hagelslag9312 BCC can easily be tracked within a Company.
You might face retaliation one way or another for sending E-Mails to private Addresses.
"This is patch 9.1 for the lawsuit." *_S T A H P_* I cry. 🤣🤣🤣
yeah i don't care if wow gets better im never giving this company another penny
same
See ya next xpac
@Honudes Gai Same here in a way quit during the first week of BFA, came back in 8.3 for SL, quit during the 3rd week of SL, came back for TBC, quit during my first day LOL, I'm nearly fully convinced that WoW is just over at this point, redemption is beyond Blizzard now, this was their last shot
You’ll be back just like everyone else lol
I doubt the game will ever get better. After mop every xpac got worse snd worse
Game balancing: 1% brain cells used
Covering up dirty deeds: 10% brain cells utilized
I just picture that spongebob episode where there’s fire and chaos as he’s shredding all the files in his brain
that is LITERALLY the first thing I came up with LOL "get rid of everything that doesn't have to do with fine dining and breathing."
@@WeeeItzElliot fine dining and breathing is touching
people without consent as their goal to keep secret.
Real life paper shredders: Clog if you handle them little roughly and incorrectly
Blizzard shredders: NOM NOM NOM
Blizzard will never see another dime from me. I am beyond repulsed at this point.
Dam right
F2P for life Baby. Also thank God for other Card games Cause at this rate I'm jumping to those Other games
People seem to forget HR stands for "human resources"
As in you're a resource to them. Not the other way around.
Let’s be real is anyone really suprised at this point
Speaking for myself? I mean... a little bit, honestly
It's called "human resources" for a reason. The working world see people as a resource, not as actual human beings.
"no one reported harassment, and any who did isnt available on record because human resources was getting rid of them, so its still kinda like no one reported any"
"i cant believe that bald streamer, causing us to destroy evidence like that" -blizzard probably
FYI, “illegal non disclosure agreements” don’t hold up in court. Whistle blow, take the evidence and turn it over good people still at Blizzard, the law supports you, and so does the gamers.
Anyone reading this. Consult with an attorney first. Illegal non disclosures have to be proven illegal in court. This ain't rock paper scissors. It's the contract stands as is until proven illegal in a court of law. Sorry not court of law. Court of equity.
Lucky USA has a law to protect whistle blowers. Here in Germany it's illigal and basically no legal protection for them
Problem with that is law and gamers won't feed them. Friend of mine is a software engineer he sued his company since then he is blackballed, whistleblowers are not really popular to hire. That's why everyones first thought is to shut up and mind their own business. Now you understand why there isn't really a flock of people from Blizzard talking to the press and police about these incidents and just wait to see what's gonna happen. Truth and justice "crusades" are cool only in the movies in real life, not so much.
@@t.r.2283 Lol, yes there is...
@@t.r.2283 there is a law to protect whistelbloweres and even one who encurage such things
and one where whistelblowers of other cuntries are protected if they face to severe of a punishment in theyr countrie
I don't know how people can still defend this.
Honestly the fact that there are still people going out of their way to defend blizzard despite...literally everything is just irritating
Brand loyalty, the end goal of consumerism. Could be video games, could be a sports team, could be a clothing brand, could be a TV show, could be anything. A lot of people will find some sort of product and attach their entire identity to it. These types of people are so boring and hollow that they substitute Brand™ for personality. They're no different than the people whose entire identity revolves around their sexuality.
"Fines are easy and good for the company in the long run. Everything coming to light would just make things worse." Blizzard "Did you just say destroy evidence" PR 😉
Don't play WoW. PLAY FF14, GW2, BDO, DnD, ESO, SWL or any other amazing MMO.
Bobby Kotick: BURN IT!!
HR: YES SULTAN!
Blizzard employees: We need to write a letter to HR about this problem.
10:20 "Shredding evidence isn't illegal though." -Some genius in Twitch chat who believes he has the best opinion on everything.
They learned something from Killary Clinton.
@@SoulOfRaife More like obstruction trump.
i find it hilarious that Kotikck threw all the management under the bus. There is no way he is not complicit.
I think he is too far removed from Blizzard to be directly involved.
@@alexander1055 True, but he did set the example for them how to behave. And sadly, they followed that example and the games slowly became the crapfests they are today.
@@zerochance1958 there is a difference from the state of the game and the subject matter of the lawsuit. The buck stops at Bobby.
At this point I feel like the only thing keeping the majority of people playing World of Warcraft is a combination of Stockholm Syndrome and Sunk-Cost Fallacy.
Stockholm syndrome doesn't really exist, it's just sunken cost fallacy.
Addiction
Really? I can tell you that the one that has some kind of syndrome is you my friend. Why?! Because I don't even have time to follow this circus with blizzard because of working hard and I simply login and play WoW with a cold beer next to me after a hard working day ( iron). Meanwhile you... Stopped playing your favorite game, because some people you've never met in your life have law problems?! Please tell me, who's the one who suffers by some kind of syndrome?!...
@@darnassius92 that comment is copium crystallized
@@Unstable_constant excuse me, English is not my native. I didint get your answer, what did you mean?
Hree's how i think that logic went:
Bobby: Anything that impedes our integrity will be dealt with.
Paper trail: (impedes the company's integrity)
Bobby's logic: Get rid of the evidence.
I don’t think Bobby “let’s lay off hundreds of people to save money” Kotik should be saying to get rid of _anything_ that hurts the company’s integrity…
@Firewynn Blizzard Execs: Fire people to save money
Also Blizzard Execs: Use money from fired people to give themselves bonuses.
"What you guys don't have paper shredders??"
-Blizzard 2021
Why is Unionize so weird in America, it's normal in Europe. HR is shite.
Because the propoganda against Unions that corporations make are way too effective.
Pretty much decades of anti union legislation and efforts by all branches of government to weaken unionizing efforts and the actual power unions have once formed. That plus being flooded by anti-union propaganda from every media source has pretty much gutted the working class in this country. That’s neoliberal policy for ya
It can be easily abused and heads of the union get rich off the union dues. It had ties to organized crime. Not all unions are like that i imagine but a lot were.
Corporations have convinced a majority of the people that it's bad. It's the socialist boogeyman. Just like with "trickle down" economics and our for-profit health care. What's behind it all? Capitalism. Too many people have been convinced to hate what is in their better interest.
Because workers who aren't even in a Union don't like paying a Union racket fee.
Activision is either gonna sell Blizzard off, or step in completely and dissolve the company. This company is becoming a thorn in their side for sure.
Can't wait for Microsoft to buy Blizzard.
@@alexander1055 honestly an improvement. And I'm saying that as a rare wäre fan
The ironic thing is vivendi was dissolved when blizzard did the merger it wasn’t the other way around. Idk why people think “activision” magically took over blizzard that’s just not true. It was the other way around. People are just now figuring out that it’s blizzard making the calls and always has. The fanboys just wouldn’t accept the shit coming out pointing the finger at “activision” which was vivendi.
I understand that people love this company, but, it is a horrible company that makes mediocre products.
I don't understand people who love this company...until I consider that Stockholm exists.
In my honest opinion, if a company destroys evidence then it should be standardized and accepted that they're in fact responsible for whatever crime they're accused of committing, assuming there's a strong reason to want to see said evidence, on top of a hefty fine for destroying evidence. I still don't understand the law system to this day, how breaking the law even more can lead to lesser punishments.
I think OTK should run Blizzard so Nick can implement 'The GRINDER'.
“You know what you don’t know but you don’t know what you don’t know” -Asmongold spitting straight facts
Blizz destroyed the documents as part of the company's effort to eliminate "toxicity."
Well, nobody likes paperwork, so I'm sure this checks out in *someone's* mind.
HR has never been for the employees. They are paid waaaaay to much to be “for the employees”
Any crime where the punishment is a fine is only a crime for the poor.
let this be a lesson to all of you creators. never go public and always focus on hiring people you can trust as the priority.
Way ahead of you. Going public is you giving up your dream to be killed
"The past days have been a time of reflection for the World of Warcraft team, spent in conversation and contemplation, full of sadness, pain, and anger, but also hope and resolve."
*Shreds evidence*
Think you need to differentiate between game developers & HR
You cant put a company in Jail
Russia: Hold my Beer
destroying evidence is admission of guilt.
Blizzard is Pepsi
More like RC Cola
More like Wolf Cola
It's 2021 and people are just now learning that HR is only there to benefit the company not the employees? Lol.
Thank god I switched to FFXIV, you only pay once for much better gameplay and much better company.
Square ain't a perfect company, but they're WAY less scummy than Blizzard/Activision.
Once?
@@AmunRa1 couldn’t agree more. I started wow almost a year ago and pretty much am giving up. Not gonna wait over a year for 2 patches.
Square is better in comparison because they have some shred of common sense in my eyes. Sucks either way.
I hate that I got invested and now they clown around like this.
@@JaeJae95 😂
Not completely true but thankfully if you are late to the party. All of the Expansions up to the last expansion is included in base price but newest expansion needs purchased. So that's nice.
8:22 The diversity waffle just sounds like they're going to change what the problem is, rather than fixing the problem.
Reminds me of when Hillary Clinton was subpoenaed and asked to turn over all work related e-mails on her secret server. She turned in all work-related emails, and deleted the rest with BleachBit, claiming the deleted e-mails were about yoga and shit.