I usually don’t side with Mr Moran, but he’s spot on with this take. & Drew u gotta start listening more he clearly delineated the difference between Tiers and described Tier 1 players as elite Drew just got stuck on the word.
@@yahiaali4059the point is that he has no history of playoff success or failure so people boost him up more soley off hos reg season numbers that they downplay tatum for because the reg season doesnt matter. Also people make it seem like SGA is the future. Meanwhile he and tatum are the same age. Meaning that tatum has already done twice as SGA but hes knocked for it.
@@truth3412 everything is relative maybe the next 7/8 years sga will make more noise lol these dudes are only 25 you gotta wait at least a decade to give an give accurate comparison
6:10 Tatum is LITERALLY top 10 IF NOT 6-7... best player on the best team who's top 10 in ppg (5th in total points), averaging 27/8.5/4.7 on 47% from the field and 36% from 3... EASILY top 10...
@@revampmusic56I hear a lot of talking with no examples of guys inferior to your lord Tatum.. Shia, Luka, Brunson, Gianis, Jokic, Durant, Curry, Ant, Embid etc etc
He's saying all this about Tatum but Paul Pierce was never even close to a tier one superstar. He was teammates with a tier one Superstar but if KG isn't on that Celtics team they not beating Bron.
I think Paul Pierce himself would say Tatum is better than him at this stage of his career… the one area in which Truth still has Tatum beat is getting a clutch bucket
@@alphabah6094he never had players like kp brown smart williams walker and etc other players early innhis career while pierce best player before the big 3 was antoine walker
Tatum and shai are the same age and Tatum has been all nba player for a while and shai couldn’t even win a play in game I don’t understand why Tatum gets so much heat when he wins more than most of these “Elite guys” and has beaten some like Joel who has never beaten him in the playoffs and KD, like Jalen Brunson and haliburton be real bro, I don’t even think Donovan is a conversation tbh.
Nobody hates on JT, he just has meat riders, and when someone says “yah JT is good and all but before we start calling Kobe he should probably win something “ every single one of his Stans come out and say “ THE JT hate needs to stop”. JT is a top 6ish player in the league, but he has serious issues with his play style that handicap him. His reliance on his inconsistent pull up 3, his ability to become a leader, and his inability to seal the deal in the playoffs despite having the most talented team in the league for the past 2 seasons
@@Beeeep24 That’s legit criticism and it’s fine, but see how you brought that up without comparing him to some one else. Same way I’m not gonna defend him by bringing down ant Edward’s that all. Only thing I’ll push back is being a leader as we haven’t seen anything g that indicates he’s a bad leader.
@@Beeeep24Only thing I disagree with is sealing the deal. Can’t forget game 7 against the Sixers. As a Boston fan, I do agree with the part about his reliance on step back 3’s instead of playing bully ball in the paint. The lack of free throw attempts is what drives me crazy. This playoffs is going to be a big test for him. He’s the 7th best player right now to me.
Jayson tatum absolutely is better then paul pierce. Nostalgia is taking over. Paul pierce was never considered top 10. At best he was 12-15 in the NBA. He never made a 1st team All-NBA. Never started an All-star game. Never was top 5 in MVP. Made it to the conf finals as #1 once. I say all this and im a huge Paul pierce stan. The tatum arguments always get nasty. The goalposts move everywhere. They compare tatum with embid, giannis, jokic. These dudes are all 4-5 yrs older then him.
Giannis Jokic Steph Luka Embiid Kawhi Bron Tatum KD Shai. You have to include Tatum in top 10. he's literally an elite defender. he gets too much disrespect. he's essentially a Kawhi archetype but just like a 90% replicate of the real thing
But why tho is my question how can someone say they’ll take someone like embiid or Luka more so embiid bc I think Luka is an elite player but Luka hasn’t had the post season success Tatum has and embiid has never beaten him, and yo only argument is “well look at Tatum team” 🤣
My question is what’s the conversation if the Celtics lose, Tatum is the only player I’ve seen in history that lead his team in point rebounds and assists in the FIANLS and not be seen as top 5 😂
Joel is right… his Paul Pierce explanation is so accurate. Dehls such a disappointment as a Celtic fan. He already got Tatum is so dumb. Pierce was better as a player.
Not gonna debate the order but here are some players that are either way better than Tatum, or even better than him by just a little for the majority of THIS season: Luka Jokic Giannis Steph Kawhi Booker KD Embiid SGA Donovan Brunson Hali Fox The reason being JT is now on a superteam. He is on without question the most absolutely stacked roster in the NBA and it's not even close. Which means he gets the ball less, and has other scoring options. When a player has a stacked team, they seem less impressive. (that's not to say he hasn't had a stacked team since the year he was drafted but this is even more so)
Giannis, Jokic, Embiid, Luka, Shai, Curry, KD and Kawhi are not a debate imo. Then you have guys like Book, AD, Brunson and Mitchell where it becomes a debate
@@pemp9606Tatum>shai. Y Shai just get to play well regular season and overtake Tatum. Also I can’t put Embiid above Tatum when Tatum heavily outplays him every time in the playoffs.
He’s the 5th best player in the league it’s crazy how people don’t give credit to the best player on the best team in the league but put players who get all the shots and don’t play as well defensively over him especially when their teams either aren’t winning or they have better #2’s
I hate when people get stuck on a word in an argument, when it was clearly used wrong, and also when the person who use the word wrong acknowledges that they messed up by saying that word. Boul in the blue was arguing like how females do if u slip up and misuse a word and just never let it go.
Because INDIVIDUALLY ... Embiid is a much better player. And he has multiple accolades to back it up. The problem is so many people like yourself associate Boston's team success and contribute it with one player being better than another. Tatum has had the luxury of being on a much better team & organization than Embiid his entire career. Embiid is the better player individually by far.
@@hokagegod8790 I never said it was his fault. I said Embiid was a better player. Good for you that you would take Tatum healthy… Joel Embiid has NEVER been healthy in the playoffs except for one season
As a JT fan and being 100% unbiased Jayson Tatum is def not at the tier 1 level yet but I would say Luka is def tier 1 but at the lowest level because he hasn’t really done anything in the playoffs. Also the only players that have been better than Tatum this year if we’re being fr is Embiid, Luka, SGA, Giannis, Jokic, and KD.
A healthy Joel Embiid is absolutely elite lol. Shouldn’t even be a consideration. You don’t consistently be top 3 in MVP ranking for nearly 4 years straight without being an elite player.
Tatum has opened that door to being on the "cream of the crop" ELITE player, im my opinion. Yes like yall said he has some of the worst off games of the elite players this year, but he should be considered as an elite. I absolutely see the Kawai conversation. I could switch 5 and 7 and be okay with it. SGA is iffy, I like him but I dont think he is better than Tatum. KD I see the argument as well, just my personal opinion. Also for the Herebert convo elite QBs dont blow 27-0 leads in the playoffs..... @@pickaside
@@pickasideTatum is sacrificing his stats , he’s said that multiple times cuz he’s focused on the championship, his stats are gonna be less than a guy like sga , jokic mentioned Tatum in being a top 5 player , having a better season and being a better player are 2 different things
I think Tatum makin the offs & winning alot super young ppl just bored & off of him! They tired of seein him. & he not a statistical dominant player.. Now that he allowing his ova guys to flourish. Tatum is being viewed by his stats & he not evn on dat type time! He being a Leader dis year taking a semi lesser role to accomplish something bigger than him.
This dude Dehls is OUT OF HIS MIND. Luka is CLEARLY better than Tatum and CLEARLY top end talent. His career projectors based off of his start is definitely lebron like. Horrible horrible take from dehls. Gotta keep him away from these Cs topics 😂😂😂
donovan is better in every statistical category over jalen brunson and his team has more wins but yall would rather have brunson but not donovan mitchell. crazy
Tatum is top 10 most definitely but the he has the lowest floor out of those top 10 players. One night Tatum can go for 40 the next night go for 12; evening out thats 26 but what happen to the consistency.
You can never hear a unbiased Celtics convo when the dude with the belt talks he be delusional asl about Boston and overrates ts out of Tatum you would think Tatum easily 3 if you just listen to him
Joel is rarely right but he’s easily right here. Tatum is knocking on that top 10 door but you can make a case there’s 15 guys better. Tatum is very overrated
@@hokagegod8790 Jokic, Embiid, Luka, SGA, Giannis, Kawhi clear him by far. KD, Booker, Haliburton, AD have been better. Then the likes of Brunson, Lebron, and Sabonis can be argued as better. That’s 13 guys already with 10 being better
@@ubereats3047 ok casual what has sga done tell me that, Jokic and Greek are better luka I don’t see it , he doesn’t make his teammates better kawhi is arguably, Kd better scorer Tatum clears everything else and book and hali and Ad you are reaching and don’t watch the Celtics causal box score watcher
@@hokagegod8790 Lol what has SGA done? We’re talking about THIS SEASON as the panel did where SGA is a top 3 MVP candidate, meanwhile Tatum ain’t even top 5. SGA is averaging 31/6/6, out scoring Tatum on much better efficiency WITHOUT another all star on his team to get easier looks and leading them to a top seed. 100% I put more stock in someone carrying their team to a top seed without a sure team. Luka is nearly averaging a 35 point triple double and averaging nearly 40 since the year started while his team is handicapped by being the most injured team in the NBA statistically. Eye test as well he is a more skilled and complete player than Tatum. Tatum’s best skill is scoring and Luka is miles better at that while also being a superior playmaker. The gap between Tatum and Luka is huge. Funny you talk about Luka not making teammates better when Tatum is a subpar playmaker even with 2 all star caliber players and 2 other solid offensive weapons on the floor with him. Kawhi is back to playing elite defense every night while averaging 24 ppg on 53/45/89 shooting splits he’s nearly in the 50/40/90 club just by a percent. He’s a more complete scorer and better defender than Tatum. Durant another guy outscoring Tatum on much better efficiency with less help than Tatum. D Book is barely out scoring Tatum with better efficiency while being a superior playmaker. Haliburton is leading the number 1 offense without an all star before Siakam came in and he’s obviously 10x the playmaker Tatum is while still scoring like 23 ppg. He’s playmaking at that level not with JB, Porzingis, Jrue, D White but with Mathurin, Turner, Obi Toppin. AD is actually healthy this year and the second best defender in the league only behind Gobert but he’s providing way more offense than him obviously. It’s alright lil bro you’re not watching games you’re only watching highlights. You don’t watch a full 48 minutes of hoops
Jayson Tatum is way bette than pierce do u see how big tatums shoulders are.He is way stronger than him and a better 3 point shooter come one.Piece wouldn’t even be top 30 in todays game stop it.
Jokic Giannis Luka Steph Kawhi KD Lebron Embiid AD These players are all better than Tatum as things currently stand. You can debate for 10th however I definitely think Tatum is 10th. AD and Tatum are 9/10th best in the league. You can make an argument for each of them. Easily could argue SGA this season for that 10 spot.
I disagree Tatum easily been the best SF since he became the #1 option in 2019-2020 Szn.. All star erry year & All nba. Made a finals made 3ecfs ... Why we rewarding losers??? Like KD & Bron & Kawhi... They Titles were all 5+ yrs ago besides Bron. If Tatum wins a ring ya ain gon have shit to say 😂😂😂
@@saucemannY2J bro Tatum has had an INCREDIBLY stacked roster since coming into the league. He is nowhere near the top end elite players (Jokic, Giannis, Steph, Luka, Bron, KD)
Dude with the Grizzlies jersey needs to stfu and let people finish. As a viewer the constant interruption makes for a bad listen. You getting loud doesn't mean your opinion is right..
If you still put Tatum behind LeBron and Durant , then take a seat. People still rate those two based on past accolades. They are not those players anymore. I see him as top 5 , minimum top 10.
I usually don’t side with Mr Moran, but he’s spot on with this take. & Drew u gotta start listening more he clearly delineated the difference between Tiers and described Tier 1 players as elite Drew just got stuck on the word.
100%
i dont usually agree with Joel but he cooked at all levels. Especially the last part. It's obvious tiers to the "Elites"
Yeah he dominated this debate
Joel is 100% correct. Is not a tier 1 superstar. He’s a superstar but not tier 1.
I don't think he's a superstar
Why was Joel talking he isn't a top 10 player😂
@@donaldf9055how is he not a superstar?
@@bulljiver9629 he doesn't have the aura of one. Just feels like a really good player to me.
@@butterflybasics1688because he’s a borderline top 10 player with plenty of dudes around him..
I just never understand how the Celtics can be the best team in the sport but don’t have any good players.. shits hilarious
Celtics hate always borders on unreasonable irrationality.
💯
Who said they don’t have good players? And yea.. the Celts play in the Eastern conference, not that hard to look good
@@mijo5964 go look up their record vs. the western conference and get back to me clown
@@mijo5964fax you’d look crazy in the eastern conference
Tatum early playoff success is hurting him cos he’s 25 same as SGA
Sga was a role player who turned into a superstar
@@yahiaali4059same as kawhi what’s your point
@@mytakeonitk769 I was saying that’s why he didn’t get playoff experience compared to tatum. What does kawhi have to do with it
@@yahiaali4059the point is that he has no history of playoff success or failure so people boost him up more soley off hos reg season numbers that they downplay tatum for because the reg season doesnt matter. Also people make it seem like SGA is the future. Meanwhile he and tatum are the same age. Meaning that tatum has already done twice as SGA but hes knocked for it.
@@truth3412 everything is relative maybe the next 7/8 years sga will make more noise lol these dudes are only 25 you gotta wait at least a decade to give an give accurate comparison
Drew really got petty over the word “elite”
wow😭
it was sad to see then he continued to blame joel for HIM being triggered over semantics 😂😂😂
the tatum hate is crazy
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6:10 Tatum is LITERALLY top 10 IF NOT 6-7... best player on the best team who's top 10 in ppg (5th in total points), averaging 27/8.5/4.7 on 47% from the field and 36% from 3...
EASILY top 10...
The disrespect to the truth.
Pierce was a DAMN Good but he was always a borderline superstar
@@cjtalksmovies467 Paul Pierce was a superstar on the Celtics without help but without question a superstar
@Daveyjdigital while was a all around great player he was never the high level talent as other players
@@cjtalksmovies46705-09 Pierce was definitely one of the best in the league he went toe to toe with kobe and lebron in the playoffs lol
@@yahiaali4059 was he as good as any of those players
I really can’t wait when Tatum wins his first chip 💯 the jt slander need to stop
It has to bro
It will when he actually wins something
Its slander saying hes the 11th best player in the league? I think the glazing needs to stop
@@Honcho35 he’s not the 11th best that’s the problem causal
And when book wins ppl will quit thinking Tatum is better
Yall need O.G. On for this topic.
Joel is an elite Celtics hater. JT is better than half the players he named but his bias against the C’s got him in his feels.
Not really
U must be a Boston fan
@@divinerolle9384don’t have to be a Boston fan to know Tatum is better than most guys he’s compared too
No he’s not
@@revampmusic56I hear a lot of talking with no examples of guys inferior to your lord Tatum.. Shia, Luka, Brunson, Gianis, Jokic, Durant, Curry, Ant, Embid etc etc
The Paul Pierce disrespect is crazy. Y’all too young. Pierce was a dawg.
He's saying all this about Tatum but Paul Pierce was never even close to a tier one superstar. He was teammates with a tier one Superstar but if KG isn't on that Celtics team they not beating Bron.
I think Paul Pierce himself would say Tatum is better than him at this stage of his career… the one area in which Truth still has Tatum beat is getting a clutch bucket
Paul Pierce is better
@@DanteGoldzhe’s not. I’d argue Brown is better than Truth already
@@Weezyfan0306you’re tweaking
Paul Pierce was on top 2003 era ppl stay disrespecting the truth
Because outside of the Big 3 era he pretty much wasn’t really doing anything. He was good but a lot of guys in the modern era clear Paul Pierce
@@alphabah6094he never had players like kp brown smart williams walker and etc other players early innhis career while pierce best player before the big 3 was antoine walker
@@alphabah6094 the list goes on of superstar players who had no help u im not talking basketball with nobody disrespecting Paul Pierce
Tatum and shai are the same age and Tatum has been all nba player for a while and shai couldn’t even win a play in game I don’t understand why Tatum gets so much heat when he wins more than most of these “Elite guys” and has beaten some like Joel who has never beaten him in the playoffs and KD, like Jalen Brunson and haliburton be real bro, I don’t even think Donovan is a conversation tbh.
It’s almost like the Celtics have a way better team than the one who was drafting in the lottery for the last 5-6 years before becoming good..
@@mijo5964they did not always have a better team than Philly. The Celtics were just doing things like holding Ben to 1 point and out scheming them.
You can tell who watched old ball clips and who just started watching ball couple years ago lol
The JT hate starting to get real similar to the Melo hate… Smh. We don’t always gotta bring one player down to bring other players up.
Becoming underrated it’s crazy
Nobody hates on JT, he just has meat riders, and when someone says “yah JT is good and all but before we start calling Kobe he should probably win something “ every single one of his Stans come out and say “ THE JT hate needs to stop”.
JT is a top 6ish player in the league, but he has serious issues with his play style that handicap him. His reliance on his inconsistent pull up 3, his ability to become a leader, and his inability to seal the deal in the playoffs despite having the most talented team in the league for the past 2 seasons
Nobody hates on JT bruh stop
@@Beeeep24 That’s legit criticism and it’s fine, but see how you brought that up without comparing him to some one else. Same way I’m not gonna defend him by bringing down ant Edward’s that all. Only thing I’ll push back is being a leader as we haven’t seen anything g that indicates he’s a bad leader.
@@Beeeep24Only thing I disagree with is sealing the deal. Can’t forget game 7 against the Sixers. As a Boston fan, I do agree with the part about his reliance on step back 3’s instead of playing bully ball in the paint. The lack of free throw attempts is what drives me crazy. This playoffs is going to be a big test for him. He’s the 7th best player right now to me.
Jayson tatum absolutely is better then paul pierce. Nostalgia is taking over. Paul pierce was never considered top 10. At best he was 12-15 in the NBA. He never made a 1st team All-NBA. Never started an All-star game. Never was top 5 in MVP. Made it to the conf finals as #1 once. I say all this and im a huge Paul pierce stan. The tatum arguments always get nasty. The goalposts move everywhere. They compare tatum with embid, giannis, jokic. These dudes are all 4-5 yrs older then him.
Giannis
Jokic
Steph
Luka
Embiid
Kawhi
Bron
Tatum
KD
Shai. You have to include Tatum in top 10. he's literally an elite defender. he gets too much disrespect. he's essentially a Kawhi archetype but just like a 90% replicate of the real thing
Its pretty simple tatum is a great player but no one is taking him over the top end players. He is the bottom end of top end guys.
Exactly
I mean Celtics haters obviously won’t. When Tatum goes off this playoffs and cooks all these players u saying better I wanna hear yall
But why tho is my question how can someone say they’ll take someone like embiid or Luka more so embiid bc I think Luka is an elite player but Luka hasn’t had the post season success Tatum has and embiid has never beaten him, and yo only argument is “well look at Tatum team” 🤣
I can't believe I actually agree with Joel but Tatum should be shooting over 50% from the field with the amount of spacing he has around him
He gets doubled n tripled still
@Chrism7178 bro how is that even possible when he has Jalen brown, Porzingis, White, etc on the court?
Umm...watch games@@sydguitar99
He shoots so many 3s he’s not gunna get to 50% if he would shoot less then his percentages would go up
The word elite is being thrown around to casually in this video
Can’t argue anything Tatum with a Celtics fan. The bias goes crazy. 🤣
My question is what’s the conversation if the Celtics lose, Tatum is the only player I’ve seen in history that lead his team in point rebounds and assists in the FIANLS and not be seen as top 5 😂
4:00 joel schooling yall on paul pierce
Sounds like they didn't watch paul.
I hope they go and watch the physicality he played with.
Yeah sometimes they have some casual takes. Joel said it best, they called him THE TRUTH for a reason bro lmao
Joel is right… his Paul Pierce explanation is so accurate. Dehls such a disappointment as a Celtic fan. He already got Tatum is so dumb. Pierce was better as a player.
Hey Joel how does it feel to be wrong AGAIN 😂
That dude would not let the elite thing go smh literally ruined the whole conversation
tatum and kawhi not being a conversation is absolutely ludicrous
I feel the same way. Kawhi got just as deep as a team as the Tatum’s yet the Celtics are clearly better. Plus Tatum has more to his game than Kawhi
Joel is a big gaslighter 😂bro when my guy said “why everytime we talk players you bring up winning” LOOK AT RIV😂😂😂😂😂😂😂he was bout to lose it 😂
Not gonna debate the order but here are some players that are either way better than Tatum, or even better than him by just a little for the majority of THIS season:
Luka
Jokic
Giannis
Steph
Kawhi
Booker
KD
Embiid
SGA
Donovan
Brunson
Hali
Fox
The reason being JT is now on a superteam. He is on without question the most absolutely stacked roster in the NBA and it's not even close. Which means he gets the ball less, and has other scoring options. When a player has a stacked team, they seem less impressive.
(that's not to say he hasn't had a stacked team since the year he was drafted but this is even more so)
What episode was it where Dehls turned his back on Joel? I can’t find it
Tatum is DEFINITELY borderline top 10. Crazy to even REMOTELY rep him as top 5 bro lmao
Giannis, Jokic, Embiid, Luka, Shai, Curry, KD and Kawhi are not a debate imo.
Then you have guys like Book, AD, Brunson and Mitchell where it becomes a debate
@@pemp9606what? 😭 Tatum is 10 times better than the last 4 names you mentioned , he’s better than shai and curry,… Tatum is top 7
The top 7 players in no order is Luka Tatum kd embiid Giannis joker kawhi
@@pemp9606Tatum>shai. Y Shai just get to play well regular season and overtake Tatum. Also I can’t put Embiid above Tatum when Tatum heavily outplays him every time in the playoffs.
He’s the 5th best player in the league it’s crazy how people don’t give credit to the best player on the best team in the league but put players who get all the shots and don’t play as well defensively over him especially when their teams either aren’t winning or they have better #2’s
I really love this current arch where Joel consistently became the most logical person in the room after being Mr. hot take for so long
I hate when people get stuck on a word in an argument, when it was clearly used wrong, and also when the person who use the word wrong acknowledges that they messed up by saying that word. Boul in the blue was arguing like how females do if u slip up and misuse a word and just never let it go.
How is Embiid elite and Tatum’ on the bridge
Three letters.
Because Embiid is clearly better than him
Because INDIVIDUALLY ... Embiid is a much better player. And he has multiple accolades to back it up. The problem is so many people like yourself associate Boston's team success and contribute it with one player being better than another. Tatum has had the luxury of being on a much better team & organization than Embiid his entire career.
Embiid is the better player individually by far.
@@chickenfinger5258I would take Tatum healthier and better playoff performer not Tatum fault he got drafted to Boston hell Philly passed him up
@@hokagegod8790 I never said it was his fault. I said Embiid was a better player.
Good for you that you would take Tatum healthy… Joel Embiid has NEVER been healthy in the playoffs except for one season
I’m taking Steph over Tatum 💯
As a JT fan and being 100% unbiased Jayson Tatum is def not at the tier 1 level yet but I would say Luka is def tier 1 but at the lowest level because he hasn’t really done anything in the playoffs. Also the only players that have been better than Tatum this year if we’re being fr is Embiid, Luka, SGA, Giannis, Jokic, and KD.
Bro the paul Pierce disrespect is insane
Why do people says it’s instead of there’s
Tatum is the 5th best player in the league the disrespect has to stop
Whos he better?
He’s not better than Embiid, Jokic, giannis, SGA, Kawhi or Luka
I never agree with Joel but I’m on his side on this. Disrespect to the truth and Tatum melts every time he plays Golden State lol.
Bro what? Every time? One bad finals and now u trippin. Acting like Lebron ain’t had playoff series and even finals just as bad
I don't think either Tatum or Embiid are elite. They are the cut-off of the really great players, not elite.
A healthy Joel Embiid is absolutely elite lol. Shouldn’t even be a consideration. You don’t consistently be top 3 in MVP ranking for nearly 4 years straight without being an elite player.
@@chickenfinger5258he always folds in the playoffs
@@hokagegod8790 because he always injured in playoffs
@@chickenfinger5258 exactly can’t depend on him that’s his career
@@hokagegod8790 and what exactly makes you think you can depend on Tatum? He hasn’t won anything and has had MULTIPLE stretches on playoff stinkers
1. Jokic
2. Giannis
3. Luka
4. Joel (if healthy he 2-3)
5. Tatum
6. SGA
7. Kawai
8. Durant
9. Mitchell
10. Brunson
Top Ten RN.
Tatum over Kawhi, KD, and SGA this season? Off of what??
Tatum has opened that door to being on the "cream of the crop" ELITE player, im my opinion. Yes like yall said he has some of the worst off games of the elite players this year, but he should be considered as an elite. I absolutely see the Kawai conversation. I could switch 5 and 7 and be okay with it. SGA is iffy, I like him but I dont think he is better than Tatum. KD I see the argument as well, just my personal opinion.
Also for the Herebert convo elite QBs dont blow 27-0 leads in the playoffs..... @@pickaside
Nah this list is horrendous lmao
@@pickasidewhat has sga done bro is so overrated
@@pickasideTatum is sacrificing his stats , he’s said that multiple times cuz he’s focused on the championship, his stats are gonna be less than a guy like sga , jokic mentioned Tatum in being a top 5 player , having a better season and being a better player are 2 different things
People forget Celtics went to a ecf with pierce before kg and Ray
I m really tired of you guys debating this... Whats up with you guys topics, its always the same...
So you put luka in that tier 1 group but not Tatum? 😂 how is luka the “exception”?
T mac was more talented but i think Pierce had more complete seasons due to durability. I would say Pierce floated from 9 to 15th from 02 to 09
Why they arguing of the word elite lmfao
Drew gonna be on blood pressure meds this time next year😂
The hate is crazy and no bs I hateeeee how we can watch them both and people just clear say luka better jokia better hnnnn
I think Tatum makin the offs & winning alot super young ppl just bored & off of him! They tired of seein him. & he not a statistical dominant player.. Now that he allowing his ova guys to flourish. Tatum is being viewed by his stats & he not evn on dat type time! He being a Leader dis year taking a semi lesser role to accomplish something bigger than him.
Fr ppl who criticize Tatum are hard stat watchers. Casuals
Pierce gets way to much disrespect. People love to hate on him. He was on the top 75 nba team for a reason
Idk man. It seemed like they were acting like they don’t know what Joel was talking about and it was so obvious to me lol.
Ik it’s a hypothetical but I don’t see a world where Wiggins locks up pierce in the finals. I think he would’ve got the job done in that position.
The truth > Tatum
This dude Dehls is OUT OF HIS MIND. Luka is CLEARLY better than Tatum and CLEARLY top end talent. His career projectors based off of his start is definitely lebron like. Horrible horrible take from dehls. Gotta keep him away from these Cs topics 😂😂😂
Joel was cookin anyone who stepped up to the plate today
Jayson Tatum is really good but don’t u EVER think about saying he is anywhere near kd.
Tatum dog walked KD for 4 straight games in the playoffs. But yeah, he isnt anywhere near him
@@frankj3676u being sarcastic saying he ain’t anywhere near? I think it’s debatable but that series did it for me. Tatum is better
Remember when tatum swept KD out of the playoffs? OK buddy
Pierce didn’t get the name The Truth no reason. Pierce didn’t have the roster Tatum had in his prime. Pierce got KG and Allen when he was older.
Dude in the Liberty jersey be pissing me off too he always been the weak link on the pod
Sometimes these dudes get stuck on dumb shit. Keep the conversation moving.
Nah Joel right on this one
Hali over tatum? Wtf
donovan is better in every statistical category over jalen brunson and his team has more wins but yall would rather have brunson but not donovan mitchell. crazy
Hell nah he aint top 3 oat. You have bill russell, john havilceck, and larry bird.
I despise Paul pierce but he is better than Tatum. If i need a player for a game 7 I’m taking pierce over Tatum
Havlicek is well above tatum on all time Celtics list
Tatum is top 10 most definitely but the he has the lowest floor out of those top 10 players. One night Tatum can go for 40 the next night go for 12; evening out thats 26 but what happen to the consistency.
He’s averaging 26 cos of the addition of KP and holiday everyone is sacrificing for a chip but he averaged like 30 last year
@@crypto_thug9218pretty sure he had the most points in the nba last year but yea Tatum is a borderline top 10 player smh🤣🤣🤣
You can never hear a unbiased Celtics convo when the dude with the belt talks he be delusional asl about Boston and overrates ts out of Tatum you would think Tatum easily 3 if you just listen to him
Joel is rarely right but he’s easily right here. Tatum is knocking on that top 10 door but you can make a case there’s 15 guys better. Tatum is very overrated
Hell no you sound like a hater and don’t know ball
@@hokagegod8790 Jokic, Embiid, Luka, SGA, Giannis, Kawhi clear him by far. KD, Booker, Haliburton, AD have been better. Then the likes of Brunson, Lebron, and Sabonis can be argued as better. That’s 13 guys already with 10 being better
@@ubereats3047 ok casual what has sga done tell me that, Jokic and Greek are better luka I don’t see it , he doesn’t make his teammates better kawhi is arguably, Kd better scorer Tatum clears everything else and book and hali and Ad you are reaching and don’t watch the Celtics causal box score watcher
@@ubereats3047SABONIS??!!! Nah never make a take again
@@hokagegod8790 Lol what has SGA done? We’re talking about THIS SEASON as the panel did where SGA is a top 3 MVP candidate, meanwhile Tatum ain’t even top 5. SGA is averaging 31/6/6, out scoring Tatum on much better efficiency WITHOUT another all star on his team to get easier looks and leading them to a top seed. 100% I put more stock in someone carrying their team to a top seed without a sure team.
Luka is nearly averaging a 35 point triple double and averaging nearly 40 since the year started while his team is handicapped by being the most injured team in the NBA statistically. Eye test as well he is a more skilled and complete player than Tatum. Tatum’s best skill is scoring and Luka is miles better at that while also being a superior playmaker. The gap between Tatum and Luka is huge. Funny you talk about Luka not making teammates better when Tatum is a subpar playmaker even with 2 all star caliber players and 2 other solid offensive weapons on the floor with him.
Kawhi is back to playing elite defense every night while averaging 24 ppg on 53/45/89 shooting splits he’s nearly in the 50/40/90 club just by a percent. He’s a more complete scorer and better defender than Tatum.
Durant another guy outscoring Tatum on much better efficiency with less help than Tatum. D Book is barely out scoring Tatum with better efficiency while being a superior playmaker.
Haliburton is leading the number 1 offense without an all star before Siakam came in and he’s obviously 10x the playmaker Tatum is while still scoring like 23 ppg. He’s playmaking at that level not with JB, Porzingis, Jrue, D White but with Mathurin, Turner, Obi Toppin.
AD is actually healthy this year and the second best defender in the league only behind Gobert but he’s providing way more offense than him obviously. It’s alright lil bro you’re not watching games you’re only watching highlights. You don’t watch a full 48 minutes of hoops
Tatum cleared Paul pierce buddy
tatum is that guy
The truth played Kobe , Tatum got his lunch money stolen by Martin and Wiggins
Anthony Davis fs been better than Tatum this season. AD like top 5-6
Mayyybe his regular season been a bit better. I don’t get y all of a sudden half a regular season makes a player better all of a sudden tho
1. Giannis
2. Embiid
3. Jokic
4. KD
5. Tatum
6. Luka
7. Shai
8. Lebron
9. Steph
10. Booker
Book better than Steph and bron
Steph wayyyy too low wtf
@@jalynjones9136fuck no
Steph higher than all them besides Jokic & giannis bruh
So tatum is a superstar but not elite? Got it
First team all nba but some how he’s barely top 10.
Holy casuals
these dudes know nothing about hoops no one is in shape
Fr
Tatum clears Lebron
Tatum is a borderline top 10 player Jokic Giannis Embiid Luka SGA Kawhi KD AD are all better and theres an argument with Bron and Steph
Tabum
He not better then book
Joel actually needs to be handed brain cells
Jayson Tatum is way bette than pierce do u see how big tatums shoulders are.He is way stronger than him and a better 3 point shooter come one.Piece wouldn’t even be top 30 in todays game stop it.
Tier 1
LeBron
Curry
KD
Giannis
Jokic
Kawhi.
Tier 2
Luka
Morant
Embiid
AD
Lillard
Butler
Tatum
Booker
Edwards.
Lebron isn’t tier 1 anymore
@@mqngomqngomaybe not but he can turn it on sometimes
Luka is tier 1 respectfully.
Jokic
Giannis
Luka
Steph
Kawhi
KD
Lebron
Embiid
AD
These players are all better than Tatum as things currently stand. You can debate for 10th however I definitely think Tatum is 10th. AD and Tatum are 9/10th best in the league. You can make an argument for each of them. Easily could argue SGA this season for that 10 spot.
I disagree Tatum easily been the best SF since he became the #1 option in 2019-2020 Szn.. All star erry year & All nba. Made a finals made 3ecfs ... Why we rewarding losers??? Like KD & Bron & Kawhi... They Titles were all 5+ yrs ago besides Bron. If Tatum wins a ring ya ain gon have shit to say 😂😂😂
So we basing this solely off of regular season stats? Got it
@@saucemannY2J bro Tatum has had an INCREDIBLY stacked roster since coming into the league. He is nowhere near the top end elite players (Jokic, Giannis, Steph, Luka, Bron, KD)
@@FreshBOI1579 Idc kd & bron needed stack rosters😂😂😂 aslong as he wins nobody gonna care
They talkin bout Pierce not being top 10.. was Tatum better than any of those guys??????? Tatum not better than those mid 2000s guys
Shiii Tatum over tmac
@@hokagegod8790Tatum over tmac!!??!?
Dude with the Grizzlies jersey needs to stfu and let people finish. As a viewer the constant interruption makes for a bad listen. You getting loud doesn't mean your opinion is right..
If you still put Tatum behind LeBron and Durant , then take a seat. People still rate those two based on past accolades. They are not those players anymore. I see him as top 5 , minimum top 10.