15:31 Joel, how can you say that the Warriors 2015 championship run was fraudulent!? They won it fair and square, and they played like a well oiled machine in Steve Kerr's rookie year as a head coach. Stephen was also the league MVP that season. Everybody on the team; Draymond Green, Klay Thompson, Harrison Barnes, Andrew Bogut, Shaun Livingston, Leandro Barbosa, Andre Iguodala, and Festus Ezili, they swear by Stephen Curry's leadership.
during 2017+2018, steph got double teamed way more which allowed kd to do so well. kds stats are a product of the team he was surrounded with. If kd wasnt there, warriors are still making the finals and even winning. steph is the biggest floor+ceiling raiser there is and kd has yet to do anything w/o him. stop bringing up stats w/o context.
Idk why this is a debate. Joel always coming up with some BS. Stop it. Steph is top 10 all time. KD ain’t there yet, therefore, there is no argument. Stephen Curry is LIKE THAT!
@Edd-zd5wb the Warriors were never going to beat Lebron and the Cavs after they lost. Dont forget the year GS won, the Cavs were severely undermanned due to injury.
@mrsteele6226 they absolutely wood so that's why I'm saying Steph and Durant needed each other. That's why I think they're both bitches because they prevented Chris Paul and James Harden from winning a ring and LeBron James from winning another ring.
Steph curry legacy still ain’t better then KD media just told you that Other then 2 more rings & 1Fmvp Everything else KD got more Allstars Scoring titles All NBA Career Average Consistency everything was built for curry
@@eshom9103 that’s funny because when the warriors beat the grizzlies on Christmas all y’all were saying was grizzlies still 2nd seed and warriors was 11th now y’all saying oh warriors loss to 11th seed😂😂😂😂😂warriors in the playoffs lakers not😂🤷♂️
steph curry is better the kd since 2015; why is a debate; kd could wing with out curry plus curry carried his team to a champison with out him: steph better shooter, playmaker, leader, handle & iq but kd is a better defender & post up player
He was only better then KD in 2015,2016,and 2022 seasons,that is it,and KD a better scorer,better rebounder,and significantly better defender while being a better playoff performer as well,only thing Curry better then him at is playmaking that is it. In 2017 and 2018,the warriors wouldn’t have won those championships without KD. Even Draymond admitted it. KD a better player but Curry a greater player since he is above KD all time.
@@emmanuelo9743 cap Bru can’t say dat he got 2 wit out kd hr joined a 73-9 team jus went to finals u don’t fix sum that’s not broke nobody beat them healthy he knew dat shit was weak he gotta show sum wit his own team all those skills and shit good all Ik is dat ain got him far wit out curry
@@kingnaz8465 True but KD was still the best player and was the reason why they won,they would have not beaten LeBron and Kyrie lead Cavs team if KD ain’t go there.
@@keemooo243 The same 73-9 team you talking about blew a 3-1 lead and lost in the finals,if they won a championship it would have been different,and KD don’t need to prove anything,he already proven he can lead a team to a championship in 2017 and 2018,Draymond even said without him they wouldn’t have won in 2017 and 2018.In 2012 he went to the finals and averaged 30 on 55 percent shooting despite the lost but still can’t discredit how well he played in that series at such a young age and he was the reason why GSW won those championships,it ain’t like he got carried if anything it was the opposite,Suns got a good chance at winning a championship this year to😂
If warriors and suns meet in the first round and warriors win then go on to win another ring which would be their second back to back that gap between Steph and KD will never close for the rest of their careers.
@@saibotshawdow5090 in the 2017 finals KD averaged 35.2p/8.2r/5.4a on 55.6/47.4/92.7 splits while Curry averaged 26.8/8/9.4 assists on 44/38.8/90 splits,KD had better stats and shot way more efficient then Curry in that series while playing better defensively . In 2018 KD averaged 28.8P/10.8r/7.5a on 52.6/40.9/96.3 splits while playing elite defensively averaging 2.3 blocks compared to Curry who averaged 27.5p/6r/6.8a on 40.5/41.5/100 splits,and in game 3 KD had a 43p/14r/7a game on 65 percent shooting compared to Curry and Klay who had 21 points off of 7-27 shooting combined. KD was hitting clutch shots to win game 3 as well,if you watched the game,the Cavs was leading majority of the game and was up by double digits at some point but KD in the 4th took over and won them the game. Then 2019,KD before his injury was on pace to be the first player in NBA playoff history to average 35/5/5 on 50/40/90 splits,more impressive part is that he did it on 22 shots playing good defensively,it’s safe to say KD was the best player on those championships runs wit the Warriors and it’s not close😂
@@nathanweloli8660 so how are the Warriors “scared” by trying to sign him when literally every team including the Cavs was also trying to sign him? I already know the answer to this though, it’s because the Warriors are so great you haters say anything to try and discredit them. Warriors end up with 4 championships regardless if Kd signs with them or not
@@westbronco9066 that’s crazy. They not winning anymore if they didn’t get him and that’s if kd doesn’t go to the cavs either. Celtics wanted him too and if he went to boston he wouldn’t even get past the cavs
As a Heat fan you can’t be a KD fan and say shit to any of these Warriors/ Curry fans about a KD vs Steph Debate given how KD been bandwagoning. We all know KD more talented but he ain’t get it done without Steph yet and he’s tried with other guys just as talented. Lebron left us in Miami but he won in Cleveland and then again beat us in La (injury **cough**) so even though Lebron went to the winner in D Wade and learned how to do it here, he replicated that success. KD ain’t did that yet. Until further notice this isn’t a debate.
@@Six10demigod_5 he’s not a better leader judged by his teams winning or not. And therefore not a better player since the main point of playing is to win. Curry adds spacing that Durant does not. And it’s not even arguable that Curry is the better shooter and had a bigger impact on the league in general
@@Six10demigod_5 basketball is a 5v5 sport… and Steph is a better basketball player than KD Hence why he has multiple rings without KD and one more MVP… sit down bozo
@@isaiahcoley438 Don’t give no excuses,they still had the best BC in the NBA and a top 3 duo in the NBA Curry and Klay. They still had their top 2 players and had 3 DIFFERENT CHANCES to win the series but sold. Curry and Klay more then enough to win one playoff game especially giving 3 chances to do so
If Steph said No but Steph Begged him to go He took a back seat cause he ain’t better then KD & Curry wasn’t getting no more rings once BRON cooked them
And just like in warriors fashion, after 4 good games, we lose to the fuckin lakers. Being a dubs fan this year has aged me a decade with all of this up and down
All ima say is that people just simply fear what they don’t understand. The media biggest fear is that KD will never live up to his hype, so they gas him up and praise him as if he’s actually done something. MJ Kobe Bron, they all exceeded expectations. But it finally broke them once they saw Steph was the guy behind Lebron, not KD. And Kawhi is behind Steph and ahead of KD and they can’t stand that
As a die Hard KD fan,KD a better player then Curry,KD a better scorer,rebounder,and significantly better defender,only thing Curry got on KD is playmaking and it’s not close. KD a better playoff performer to. Curry just a greater player tho since of how stellar of a career he is having and he higher then KD all time.
All there is to say don't let the dubs win period but definitely do not let them boys win going through Phoenix Memphis and or LA .... KD will be stuck behind Steph for the rest of his career if that happens
Riv said the Warriors are good in the West. Took 7 games to beat #3 Sacramento who hadn’t been to the playoffs in 20 years. Then lost in 6 to #7 Lakers who barely made the playoffs 💀
@@VonKappallot KD averaged 31 on 55 percent against an elite defensive team and a way better defensive team then the 2016 Cavs,and his best 3 point shooter Harden shot 32 percent from 3. What is yo point?
@@isaiahcoley438 KD this season in 42 games: 29, 7 and 5 on 56% from the field and 38% from 3. KD for his career: 27, 7 and 4 on 50% from the field and 38% from 3. Steph this season in 39 games: 29, 6 and 6 on 49% from the field and 42% from 3. Steph for his career: 24, 4 and 6 on 47% from the field and 43% from 3. KD has the better career win share than Steph, KD has always been a better scorer, rebounder and defender. The only things Steph really has on KD is volume shooting and playmaking. And even still, KD is more efficient from the floor than Steph. So why exactly is it that Steph is the better basketball player? I’m actually really curious to see if you’ll actually put some facts behind your stance instead of just “cUrRy iS tHe bEtTeR pLaYeR. lEaRn tHe gAmE” 💀💀
Steph was the player being double teamed when KD was on that team and still averaged 25 KD is gonna average 30 easy not being the man double teamed anymore if KD was the man being double teamed Steph would have 3 finals mvps rn
@@treso414 everything you said had nothing to do with what I said at all that’s why I hate debating when it comes to warrior haters just straight ignore whatever anyone says and bring up 2016 and screens 🤣 most all stars would average 30 playing with Steph because the defense always prioritizes him due to his play style if they decided to prioritize the other all star (KD) Steph would be open a majority of the series and he would’ve got the 2 mvps KD got which makes 3 regardless of 2016 I was making a point ain’t got nothing to do with liking steph
@@andrehoncho9693 how didnt it have anything with what u said ? Didn’t u say Steph was being double teamed? U act like lebron wasn’t holding Kd still stop making dumb ass comments when mfs call u out on bs
@@andrehoncho9693 they didn’t prioritize him because lebron was holding him & he was there supposedly best defender be fuckin for real did u even watch those games or we gone act like Kd was just open the whole time I mean he made it look that way but Lebron was still holding him
people say steph didn’t need kd but steph would’ve been 1-3 against the cavs in the finals… wherever kd would’ve went was instantly a contender. he didn’t need steph if steph didn’t need kd.
15:31 Joel, how can you say that the Warriors 2015 championship run was fraudulent!? They won it fair and square, and they played like a well oiled machine in Steve Kerr's rookie year as a head coach. Stephen was also the league MVP that season. Everybody on the team; Draymond Green, Klay Thompson, Harrison Barnes, Andrew Bogut, Shaun Livingston, Leandro Barbosa, Andre Iguodala, and Festus Ezili, they swear by Stephen Curry's leadership.
during 2017+2018, steph got double teamed way more which allowed kd to do so well. kds stats are a product of the team he was surrounded with. If kd wasnt there, warriors are still making the finals and even winning. steph is the biggest floor+ceiling raiser there is and kd has yet to do anything w/o him. stop bringing up stats w/o context.
Was he not being held by lebron? Y’all act like he was open
U not bringing up all the context I see cuz put anybody else in KDs spot lebron locking that shit up
I call BS on that considering KD has been above a 50% since he left GS as well lol
@@WindyCityNickin the reg season? 😅
@@armanc25 I mean did Curry shoot above 50% in the playoffs?
Why is joel wearing a suns jacket i cant anymore😂
I watch this podcast because it reminds me of how we used to be in the cafeteria in middle school lol
Idk why this is a debate. Joel always coming up with some BS. Stop it. Steph is top 10 all time. KD ain’t there yet, therefore, there is no argument. Stephen Curry is LIKE THAT!
KD better
STEPH NOT BETTER THAN MJ , BRON , MAGIC , KOBE , KAREEM , WILT , LARRY , TIM , HAKEEM , SHAQ , RUSSELL , THATS 11 OFF TOP..
@@jwalls1223 Give me Steph over Wilt, Duncan, Russell or Hakeem
Its so simple why are people still arguing... Kd needed the warriors and Warriors needed Kd.
Warriors didnt need KD
@Edd-zd5wb the Warriors were never going to beat Lebron and the Cavs after they lost. Dont forget the year GS won, the Cavs were severely undermanned due to injury.
@@IvanRodriguez-kp3nr They were 3-1.
Why? Why wouldnt they win next year?
@@Edd_LShore 3-1 and lost. Cavs were better.
@@IvanRodriguez-kp3nr why wouldnt they win the next year though?
It's fair to say they both needed each other because if KD wasn't there, there's a chance the Rockets or Cavs would win the finals.
cavs def would’ve repeated
@mrsteele6226 they absolutely wood so that's why I'm saying Steph and Durant needed each other. That's why I think they're both bitches because they prevented Chris Paul and James Harden from winning a ring and LeBron James from winning another ring.
KD wouldn’t have made another finals without Steph tho
@kidsplash9072 and steph would've probably never made a finals appearance especially the way Rockets were playing
@@sydguitar99 They we’re built that way because of him 😂😂😂
Riv (bulls fan) says we when talking about Warriors 🤣
Joel stay championing dudes that aint really showed you the shit you looking for
Steph curry legacy still ain’t better then KD media just told you that Other then 2 more rings & 1Fmvp Everything else KD got more Allstars Scoring titles All NBA Career Average Consistency everything was built for curry
Watching this as the lakers beat the warriors 😂
Yet warriors still 5th seed lakers still 11th😂😂😂😂😂
@@kingnaz8465 I completely agree it was just funny ass timing
@@kingnaz8465 how u losing to an 11th seed 😂😂
@@eshom9103 that’s funny because when the warriors beat the grizzlies on Christmas all y’all were saying was grizzlies still 2nd seed and warriors was 11th now y’all saying oh warriors loss to 11th seed😂😂😂😂😂warriors in the playoffs lakers not😂🤷♂️
@@kingnaz8465 only 4 game difference from 5th to 11th seed 🤷🏾♂️
when was the last time a 6'3 pg was the best player on a chip team besides Steph....
Thomas
@@Edd_LShoreexactly a long time so proving this guys point 😂😂 not many are that short and carrying a team to a chip
@@JorgeGarcia-nb5gv Of course I agree Steph is MUCH greater than KD.
steph curry is better the kd since 2015; why is a debate; kd could wing with out curry plus curry carried his team to a champison with out him: steph better shooter, playmaker, leader, handle & iq but kd is a better defender & post up player
He was only better then KD in 2015,2016,and 2022 seasons,that is it,and KD a better scorer,better rebounder,and significantly better defender while being a better playoff performer as well,only thing Curry better then him at is playmaking that is it. In 2017 and 2018,the warriors wouldn’t have won those championships without KD. Even Draymond admitted it. KD a better player but Curry a greater player since he is above KD all time.
@@emmanuelo9743 draymond also said Steph got doubled 7x the amount kd did and that the offense still ran through Steph while kd was there💯
@@emmanuelo9743 cap Bru can’t say dat he got 2 wit out kd hr joined a 73-9 team jus went to finals u don’t fix sum that’s not broke nobody beat them healthy he knew dat shit was weak he gotta show sum wit his own team all those skills and shit good all Ik is dat ain got him far wit out curry
@@kingnaz8465 True but KD was still the best player and was the reason why they won,they would have not beaten LeBron and Kyrie lead Cavs team if KD ain’t go there.
@@keemooo243 The same 73-9 team you talking about blew a 3-1 lead and lost in the finals,if they won a championship it would have been different,and KD don’t need to prove anything,he already proven he can lead a team to a championship in 2017 and 2018,Draymond even said without him they wouldn’t have won in 2017 and 2018.In 2012 he went to the finals and averaged 30 on 55 percent shooting despite the lost but still can’t discredit how well he played in that series at such a young age and he was the reason why GSW won those championships,it ain’t like he got carried if anything it was the opposite,Suns got a good chance at winning a championship this year to😂
Kd and steph saved eachother
If warriors and suns meet in the first round and warriors win then go on to win another ring which would be their second back to back that gap between Steph and KD will never close for the rest of their careers.
then you woke up
Steph curry is the greatest pg ever and a top ten player ever kd is neither enough said
Lmaooooooo
KD was the best players on those warriors team😂
He ain’t lying. KD and Steph are both greats but Steph is better
@@emmanuelo9743no he wasn’t
@@saibotshawdow5090 in the 2017 finals KD averaged 35.2p/8.2r/5.4a on 55.6/47.4/92.7 splits while Curry averaged 26.8/8/9.4 assists on 44/38.8/90 splits,KD had better stats and shot way more efficient then Curry in that series while playing better defensively . In 2018 KD averaged 28.8P/10.8r/7.5a on 52.6/40.9/96.3 splits while playing elite defensively averaging 2.3 blocks compared to Curry who averaged 27.5p/6r/6.8a on 40.5/41.5/100 splits,and in game 3 KD had a 43p/14r/7a game on 65 percent shooting compared to Curry and Klay who had 21 points off of 7-27 shooting combined. KD was hitting clutch shots to win game 3 as well,if you watched the game,the Cavs was leading majority of the game and was up by double digits at some point but KD in the 4th took over and won them the game. Then 2019,KD before his injury was on pace to be the first player in NBA playoff history to average 35/5/5 on 50/40/90 splits,more impressive part is that he did it on 22 shots playing good defensively,it’s safe to say KD was the best player on those championships runs wit the Warriors and it’s not close😂
Steph is 10th all time and KD somewhere in the top 15, 20
No he’s not
@@treso414 ok
Riv annoys me...I want people from player's choice to humble him
They Can’t lmao
Curry all day
I thought he a Bulls fan
Why does no one consider that the warriors called and asked him to join because fully healthy without him they weren't gonna be the cavs fully healthy
We all know they were scared that’s why they picked him up you ain’t telling nothing but the truth
@@nathanweloli8660 Cavs were literally recruiting him as well, he just chose to join the better team
@@westbronco9066 cuz he knew if he joined Lebron as the number 2 player in the league would be bad for him.
@@nathanweloli8660 so how are the Warriors “scared” by trying to sign him when literally every team including the Cavs was also trying to sign him? I already know the answer to this though, it’s because the Warriors are so great you haters say anything to try and discredit them. Warriors end up with 4 championships regardless if Kd signs with them or not
@@westbronco9066 that’s crazy. They not winning anymore if they didn’t get him and that’s if kd doesn’t go to the cavs either. Celtics wanted him too and if he went to boston he wouldn’t even get past the cavs
As a Heat fan you can’t be a KD fan and say shit to any of these Warriors/ Curry fans about a KD vs Steph Debate given how KD been bandwagoning. We all know KD more talented but he ain’t get it done without Steph yet and he’s tried with other guys just as talented. Lebron left us in Miami but he won in Cleveland and then again beat us in La (injury **cough**) so even though Lebron went to the winner in D Wade and learned how to do it here, he replicated that success. KD ain’t did that yet. Until further notice this isn’t a debate.
KD a better player period lol
Did u not see what happened in Brooklyn ? Or were u sleep under a rock for 4 years
@@Six10demigod_5 he’s not a better leader judged by his teams winning or not. And therefore not a better player since the main point of playing is to win. Curry adds spacing that Durant does not. And it’s not even arguable that Curry is the better shooter and had a bigger impact on the league in general
@@Six10demigod_5 basketball is a 5v5 sport… and Steph is a better basketball player than KD Hence why he has multiple rings without KD and one more MVP… sit down bozo
@@anthonywlong Steph isn’t even the leader on his team what are u talking about
I’m a KD fan and I hate Joel
Draymond said they don’t beat them w/o KD so… 🤷♂️
He be riding KD and bron so much lmao. Especially bron. It’s his way of saying Lebron is that dude and they need all of that talent to win.
He was wrong. They lost in 2016 due to injury not because they were not good enough
@@isaiahcoley438 Don’t give no excuses,they still had the best BC in the NBA and a top 3 duo in the NBA Curry and Klay. They still had their top 2 players and had 3 DIFFERENT CHANCES to win the series but sold. Curry and Klay more then enough to win one playoff game especially giving 3 chances to do so
@@isaiahcoley438 iggy said on a podcast with shanon sharpe saying they couldn’t stop lebron or kryie and they needed kd to stack the deck
So he says it. Its true?
If Steph said No but Steph Begged him to go He took a back seat cause he ain’t better then KD & Curry wasn’t getting no more rings once BRON cooked them
thank you riv
All i know is both of them ain’t the best player in the league rn🙅♂️😂
And just like in warriors fashion, after 4 good games, we lose to the fuckin lakers. Being a dubs fan this year has aged me a decade with all of this up and down
All ima say is that people just simply fear what they don’t understand. The media biggest fear is that KD will never live up to his hype, so they gas him up and praise him as if he’s actually done something. MJ Kobe Bron, they all exceeded expectations. But it finally broke them once they saw Steph was the guy behind Lebron, not KD. And Kawhi is behind Steph and ahead of KD and they can’t stand that
Riv looks like that UK rapper Digga D 😂😂
As a die Hard KD fan,KD a better player then Curry,KD a better scorer,rebounder,and significantly better defender,only thing Curry got on KD is playmaking and it’s not close. KD a better playoff performer to. Curry just a greater player tho since of how stellar of a career he is having and he higher then KD all time.
All there is to say don't let the dubs win period but definitely do not let them boys win going through Phoenix Memphis and or LA .... KD will be stuck behind Steph for the rest of his career if that happens
KD a better player Curry a better leader . THE END
Delusional 😩😂😂😂😂
Riv said the Warriors are good in the West. Took 7 games to beat #3 Sacramento who hadn’t been to the playoffs in 20 years. Then lost in 6 to #7 Lakers who barely made the playoffs 💀
Then the lakers got swept lol so what are talking about right now this wasn’t a playoff team
Warriors lost to lakers
if it wasnt for KD curry wouldnt of had those rings. we all know that lebron was gonna beat em everytime after the 3-1 comeback sooooo
And Steph still won two without him lol the fuck you talking about lol, KD hasn’t won since Steph and just loss again lol
If it wasn't for Curry, kd would still be ringless.
Steph didn’t need KD but KD averaged 35 in the 17 finals 🤔
Pretty easy when teams run to the 3pt to blitz Curry and leave you WIDE OPEN
@@VonKappallot KD averaged 31 on 55 percent against an elite defensive team and a way better defensive team then the 2016 Cavs,and his best 3 point shooter Harden shot 32 percent from 3. What is yo point?
@@emmanuelo9743 My point is exactly what I said
@@VonKappallot KD was not open😂 Yo point is useless
@@emmanuelo9743 There is LITERALLY footage of defenders blitzing Steph at the 3 and letting KD get easy, open shots
riv huge ass bandwagon, bro
is a fan of only good teams excluding the bulls. bros a front runner lol
He’s a fan of kd ofc he’s gonna root for whatever time kd goes to
KD is the better overall player. Steph’s legacy is far greater.
Curry is the Better player. Learn the game
@@isaiahcoley438 KD this season in 42 games: 29, 7 and 5 on 56% from the field and 38% from 3.
KD for his career: 27, 7 and 4 on 50% from the field and 38% from 3.
Steph this season in 39 games: 29, 6 and 6 on 49% from the field and 42% from 3. Steph for his career: 24, 4 and 6 on 47% from the field and 43% from 3.
KD has the better career win share than Steph, KD has always been a better scorer, rebounder and defender. The only things Steph really has on KD is volume shooting and playmaking. And even still, KD is more efficient from the floor than Steph. So why exactly is it that Steph is the better basketball player? I’m actually really curious to see if you’ll actually put some facts behind your stance instead of just “cUrRy iS tHe bEtTeR pLaYeR. lEaRn tHe gAmE” 💀💀
@@tigerscott5929 Steph makes his teammates better simple as that
@@westbronco9066 I agree but that’s not even close to being the only criteria. And that still doesn’t mean he’s a better overall player than KD.
@@tigerscott5929 it’s the only thing that matters, Curry leads to championships Kd leads to choking in the playoffs
Steph was the player being double teamed when KD was on that team and still averaged 25 KD is gonna average 30 easy not being the man double teamed anymore if KD was the man being double teamed Steph would have 3 finals mvps rn
I doubt it in 2016 they lost…. or u forgot & with Steph coming off so many screens of course he gets double teamed y’all steph fans just say anything
@@treso414 everything you said had nothing to do with what I said at all that’s why I hate debating when it comes to warrior haters just straight ignore whatever anyone says and bring up 2016 and screens 🤣 most all stars would average 30 playing with Steph because the defense always prioritizes him due to his play style if they decided to prioritize the other all star (KD) Steph would be open a majority of the series and he would’ve got the 2 mvps KD got which makes 3 regardless of 2016 I was making a point ain’t got nothing to do with liking steph
@@andrehoncho9693 how didnt it have anything with what u said ? Didn’t u say Steph was being double teamed? U act like lebron wasn’t holding Kd still stop making dumb ass comments when mfs call u out on bs
@@andrehoncho9693 why does nobody else average 30 on his team then why didn’t d lo if it’s so easy playing with Steph
@@andrehoncho9693 they didn’t prioritize him because lebron was holding him & he was there supposedly best defender be fuckin for real did u even watch those games or we gone act like Kd was just open the whole time I mean he made it look that way but Lebron was still holding him
people say steph didn’t need kd but steph would’ve been 1-3 against the cavs in the finals… wherever kd would’ve went was instantly a contender. he didn’t need steph if steph didn’t need kd.
KD is the better player… period
Just not at winning
He’s a bandwagon
Ehh no
@@bryte1321 does that make him a better player if he’s not winning?
POINT/BLANK/PERIOD..