This Harley-Davidson CVO Makes Absolutely No Sense... For Real This Time
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- The Harley-Davidson CVO Pan America makes absolutely no sense, not that a Harley-Davidson CVO makes any sense to begin with but were on another level of nonsense here. Normally with Harley-Davidson CVO these are on road going Harley-Davidson motorcycles which reduce the chance of the motorcycle being torn up or damaged. The CVO Pan America makes zero sense, you have a adventure touring motorcycle made to cruise the highways, go off road, get dirty, get torn up. This makes little sense considering the Pan America is already 20+ thousands of dollars, but let's add on another 10 grand in limited edition parts and accessories not to mention custom paint. Are you really going to use this Pan America as intended, do you really want to even scratch it?
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Does a $30K CVO on/off road machine with limited production paint and accessories make sense to you?
Absolutely, there’s definitely a market for it. BMW is another and they do not have the fit and finish of this CVO. The people that buy it play with a normal person’s income.
Yes, CVO Pan America model should definitely have the Screaming Eagle exhaust for the limited edition it is.. and at that price. Imo..
No
Nah, you're spot on this one. Most CVOs wind up being bikini bikes.
Only comes out 2 weeks during summer, and even then it's going back in storage.
No it doesn't work for me
Folks at H.D. motor co are drinking way too much Bud Light.
nah, they are too busy dilating
Wtf are they doing
@johnstrickland9545 building a 30k off road with 150 hp.
I don’t think they drink at all!
They need to take that out of the break room lol
A CVO model for the evo sportster last year would have been a nice send off.
Yes!!!! I never even thought of that! Great comment😁
This is what you get when the CEO used to be a shoe salesman.
That's an interesting play right there...
It costs $8.99 to make a pair of Nikes they sell for $140.00
@W9HJBill ... good point there Bill. The corporate world is rather interesting. It seems to be trendy to hire an ex-leisurewear CEO and put him at the helm of an automotive company. The same happened with James Curleigh, who I'd also call a 'shoe salesman' was appointed CEO of Gibson Guitars (to his credit he did last 5 years) and what's he doing now? Selling plastic storage cases (Pelican). I wonder what Jochen Zeitz's next gig will be?
Al Bundy
@@mikeskidmore6754 My wife's friend bought a very ordinary looking sneakers , white ,with love written all over it in different languages and paid $979.00 , I wouldnt pay a 100.00 for them
You know what Harley did right? In my opinion the late model Dyna. I own and ride a 2017 Dyna fxdl twin cam. No problems runs flawlessly. Just a simple, no bells and whistles cruiser.
Um, not even close. Pan Am is a world and another dimension away from a 2017 DYNA,,,,LOL!
@rgh622 yea well I don't care about the pan America other world and dimension. Anyone that buys one has money but no sense. Like most people that pay 30k+ for a Harley. I got mine off the show room floor for under 16k.
I agree with you on the Dyna It just works
Most will be Garage Queens and never see a dirt road...the unsold ones will be discounted in a year from now!
Trust me, there will not be any unsold ones (CVO) sitting around guaranteed!
When I heard about the CVO dirt bike I thought it was stupid . However if we all started riding the pam am bike we would probably never look at the air cooled bikes ever again ( 150 HP ) hell yeah !
In terms of marketing, Pan America CVO buyers probably arent interested in the other CVO models.
Absolutely, I don’t want a bike for a collection to pass on to some guy when I’m dead or save it for trade in value. I want to ride the snot out of it. Have you seen Adam Sandoval’s “Warhorse”? That’s how Harley’s are meant to be ridden. The scratches and dings are badges of honor for an Adventure rider. You don’t go get the paint repaired and wring your hands over it. When I dumped my Africa Twin on the Dalton Highway in Alaska I just picked it up and went on. Slapped a Dalton sticker next to the scratch and it was a legit conversation piece. Live man, no regrets!
I love the Pan Ams. Although at 70, I probably shouldn't be riding a 150hp dirt bike. Quite honestly, I don't think any of the CVOs make much sense. A little bit of paint, a few Christmas tree ornaments, and an extra $10-25K? I don't think so.
I'm an old dirt bike rider. Rode since I was a kid. I look at that bike and my first thought is 'that's a big bike to be taking in the dirt'. Maybe I got the wrong idea of what a dirt bike is vs an adventure bike. I dunno. Nieither appeal to me anymore. It's really hard physical effort riding in the dirt. I'd call it a young man's game. Just me. I'll stick to the street from now on. But boy was that fun times riding all day in the mountains on the back trails and going X country. Come end of day, I was shot! LOL Thanks for another great video.
Main point of these bikes is far from dirt bike things. Think same as an SUV, 95% on the road and mainly a touring or commute bike. But you can load it up and take it camping and access remote spots down fire service roads. BMW has been doing this for years and it is admittedly quite fun now that I am getting older
@@RedEmpire36 Oh, that makes more sense now you put it that way. Thanks.
Yeah , I’m hearin ya buddy.
Yea,The only dirt bike I rode was a 1076 Kaw. 350 That was alot of bike and fun.Im old now but I Would buy one if I could.Crazy to compare it to the 350 sprint........
I believe learning to ride on the dirt makes better road riders . But like mentioned it's hard on the body so Harley better have a lot of youngsters lined up .😉
Me: Dirt bike should weigh 200 pounds. Harley: Dirt bike should weight 650 pounds.
it's not a "dirt bike" though....
It’s moto camping bike. Long road miles and little jaunts into the forest area to camp ⛺️
Harley should come out with a dirt bike. It's way overdue.
It isn't trying to be a Dirt bike or Dual Sport. It's an Adventure Touring machine.
If H-D's goal is to promote that model, then a CVO version makes sense to me. Off-roading doesn't negate the desire for cool paint. It's the limited production that will make it in demand. I agree with you about the exhaust though.
I got a 22 RGS and a 22 PAS. Trust me, both bikes got about 8k each in mods already. So, yes, I am taking a 30k bike Off-Road. Riding the RGS to Sturgis this year, and a friend is trailering his, so I will throw the PAS on for some rides up there as well. Hell, I might ride the PAS home. It's nice having choices.
Dude! I thought the exact same thing! All the other fan-boys told me I was wrong - but this is VINDICATION!!!!
Im sure the shareholders are loving this play...😂
Yeah, sure, I'll park it right next to the off road Escalade. Hahahaha
I agree 100% that the CVO PA was an ill-conceived decision. It's a bad fit for the bike's intended purpose. Mentioned it to a HD Dealer Partner at a recent open house and he didn't appreciate my comment.
Everyone gets hung up on the cvo title. Those are just letters. They shouldn't tell you how or what you can or can't do with your motorcycle. It's a fully tricked adv bike straight from the factory, and the price is pretty fair considering what people are spending on these bikes. I bet a fully tricked GS can't be had for under $30k ? It's an adv bike. Take it off road and ride it like an adv bike! This idea that you can't get your bike dirty or put miles on it if it says cvo on the tank is a waste of a perfectly good motorcycle.
It's just not for me. I'd rather buy a rigid stock Panhead for that kind money.
I would love a 500 pan American!
I stopped by one of the Harley Davidson dealer earlier today and counted 25 unsold 2023 models, and 6 Pan America's with low interest loan incentives & 2-3,000 dollar discounts offered. I remember a time when every new model year was sold out in advance. Can't imagine anyone buying HOG stock, run for the hills folks - the party was over years ago.
It's funny when you mentioned dirt bikes. When I was growing up, Sportsters were called "dirt bikes" by my grandfather, my uncles, and my dad. These are the same guys who survived World War II and Korea and the early days of Vietnam. I'm on my 12th Sportster now, a 68 model. I still call them dirt bikes to this day, and along with my Panhead, I love this one.
I've heard sporty's called lawn mowers. I dig em, and the K model.
A classic example of "you can't polish a terd but you can sure throw glitter on it"! I'll buy a good used dirt bike and dump it than spend 30 grand!
That thing weights as much as my dyna, that's a lot of weight to be slinging around off-road
Things have gotten so silly across the board with HD, IMO.
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Good video as usual.👍
I have a Road-glide Ultra, but a new Pan America special also, love it! But a CVO version,, no thanks!
I know a couple of people that bought the Pan Am and have yet to take them off road so I can believe someone will buy these without using them for their intended purpose. Sad
I'm with you.. no way in hell I'm going to take a $20 to 30k bike in the dirt.. I will find a $1500 old 2 stroke to thrash on and tow it behind my heritage lol. I do love the pan America but maybe when I can find one for 5k on the used market
They're 12k 10 minutes after they leave the dealer
They're unreliable trash bikes nobody wants
I think it was Matt Laidlaw that did a rundown on it and it's just a fully optioned special with a cool paint job for free. I agree with you about it being a dirt bike but if someone really wanted the bags and all the options then why not? Wear the scratches as badges of honor.
Now I want to buy one and slide it down an embankment, then ride it.
I bought a PA this year ('23 model). I've wanted one since they came out, and once the grey haze color came out it was a matter of time. Love it! So much that I traded my Electra Glide for it! I think I'm done with baggers - closing on 60 y/o and the baggers are getting nothing but heavier year after year. My PA will *never* see dirt, I wanted it for the sport touring capability. It's gonna be perfect for how I ride now, getting older. All that said - I also don't know why HD created a CVO version of this bike when I believe it's still finding its target audience, not sure how well (or not) sales are doing. Peace!
H D bikes are getting way over priced now a days Its a dame shame 😔
Big G'day GixxerFoo from Down Under 🇦🇺
I have to agree with you yet again on all the "24 CVO's
May all your days be Harley days🖤🧡🖤
Safe travels 🙏♥️🐾🐾🇦🇺
When you remember that most adventure bikes spend 95% of their time on pavement. Think trick out 4/4s how often do they go off road.
In Texas they call those nice Custom 4x4's Pavement Princesses .
@@mikeskidmore6754 agree 💯 but I will say that when Texas flooded the that chrome got helping people out.
thanks to the EPA, maybe Harley is scared to sell a bike with aftermarket "race" parts even though Harley has one in the catalog.
I have a street glide special and a low rider st. Just bought a Pan America 3 weeks ago. This is the nicest riding, most fun Harley to date. And that is stock
I was slow to appreciate the under-slung exhaust on the Touring bikes, starting in 2009, but it does reduce the risk of exhaust pipe burns. Harley riders love their traditional design. The more they try to follow trends, the more customers they will lose. I will say though, that there is a market for a high-powered water-cooled bar bike.
I'm guessing the CVO Pan America is being marketed to the gentleman outdoor enthusiast who enjoys the outdoors with going camping, flyfishing, etc. I don't think most owners of these CVO's will ever trash their bikes by actually off-roading with them.
Moreover, the owners of such bikes by just knowing they have the ability to go off-road will in itself be reassuring. It will be gratifying to also own such a bike designed for both street and dirt trails applications.
Such owners attracted by the CVO Pan America exclusivity will rarely, if ever, actually take any serious off- road trails that might risk damaging the bike , or, causing themselves personal injury. In fact, many of these owners have probably never ridden a dirt bike but would find they can ride the Pan America when going to the great outdoors to meet their buddies versus ride their Cruiser.
Bet the Tork on those Bikes is something else. For an offroad Bike Makes 0 sense to me .
This reminds me of people who buy factory off road packages in trucks and jeeps but we all know that 90% of people will never use their rubicon, TRX or Pan America for its intended use. The most off road they see is a dirt parking lot.
Bought FXDF Dyna Fat Bob 2014 in black with red stripe on tank. Just slightly over 14k miles, no mods done, no tampering and so on. Had even still original tires with enough tread (of course they will be replaced :-)). Fits perfectly my height and so comfortable compared to my Yamaha XVZ 1300 Royal Star Venture. I hope that bike will rumble for the years to come to avoid any water cooled non-sense from HD 😀
2014 FXDF best bike I own
Glad you guys love the Pan, interestingly you can’t give them away in Australia. It’s not our market that Harley target anymore so the CVO makes sense, just not to us bikers
It's all about Exclusivity so they can charge more and have bigger margins..
I always thought CVO`s were a waste of money but a CVO pan america is crazy !!!
I rode my 2012 VStrom ($3500) to the HD dealership to see the PanAmerica. I was of the mind to buy...until it drystarted brand new on the showroom floor. My Suzuki has never done that and she is in perfect shape 12 years later.
Bring back the dyna line😊
That would be awesome to see that happen!! I bet they would make a fortune off a new dyna!
It would be nice if Harley would branch out and do a soft tail CVO. Something different from just touring bike. They did dyna CVOs and they were cool. They are ignoring a big part of the lineup. Not the low rider; they have the S.
My friend is a master tech, says these are electrical nightmares and software glitches. He said he couldn’t imagine taken that thing off road and away from society; like the dudes on the GS do. 700 pound bike stuck in the middle of the mountains with no juice, nah
Those are the problems I thought it would have as soon as I saw one. Thanks.
@@kevinbresnahan3394 yup, people crazy to think it wouldn’t
The CVO Pan Am….I could only see it if you’re using it as a sport tourer or if you’re filthy rich and don’t mind the rash.
Much more than a dirt bike , it's comfortable for a big person , its faster than any other cvo bike to date , better suspension than any other Harley out the box and 150HP at 48mpg and top speed of 141mph , again right out the box 😂 I've had every thing since the panhead in all different touring and ridgid and softail platforms and test rode a 2021 special with 5000 miles 2 weeks ago for about a hour test ride and came back to Stealership and signed the papers and took it home 😅 I'm 55 years old 6'2" 320 pounds and it gave me a whole lot of time trying to find something i didn't like and couldn't, it will most likely never see the trails but definitely a great touring bike for me 😎 if I had CVO tendencies then hell yeah I would have bought one , but I got a steal at $12,000 on this one so I got it , if the CVO would have had been right there right then brand new I would have seriously considered buying it over this one 😀
Old and fat just like all the other Harley leather butt buddies
Pan AM = Too complicated, too heavy , too expensive , CVO version = too much exclusivity
Pan Am=broken down pos
Pan America is a cool bike. The cvo version is a little odd😮
It was a good move for Harley, but they should have cut the price. Harley Davidson is out of control with pricing their bikes and mechanic shop.
They need a 500, 750 version of the Pan-am.
I guess you'll have to buy low end stock tins and put your CVO parts into storage.
What are they putting in the cool-aid.
I’d just go get a KTM 500exc-f six days and a used 90’s road king and leave the rest of the cash in the bank.
I look at it like the serial 1 Electric bicycle they invested in. The pan American is a sideline of the other bikes.
Well maybe in a couple years there will be leftovers on the floor because they sure won't sell and by then the prices should be discounted extremely in which case it might be worth it to get the accessories but other than that no way.
What you have to remember here is that the CVO Pan Am also comes with all the bags and other accessories. It would cost you as much or more to take a regular Pan Am and accessorize like that. When you look at it, the fancy paint is pretty much free. So don’t worry about it, take the bike where you want to and have fun.
That's a good point! I just can't believe they didn't include the SE exhaust!
@@GixxerFoo that’s for sure fair. They should have thrown that on!
But yeah if I got a PanAm I would be getting the hard bags and a lot of the other stuff the CVO has and probably end up actually saving money. So I’d get it and ride the shit out of it! Of course if you look hard enough you can probably find a dealer that has a regular Pan Am with the bags thrown into the package also. But yeah if you’re going to add all that stuff anyway, get the CVO and be done.
AMF days closing in fast,have they lost their minds?
They are having a hard time selling any of the Rev Max Harleys. This is just doubling down on stupid. What’s next CVO Livewire?
I said the same thing when I found out they had a cvo of the Pan America 😅
I even don't by it. Loods like BWM R1200GS.
Next idea is to make a CVO Livewire and price it at 50k.. I'm sure everyone will buy it, esp after they advertise with the rainbow flag in the background
Harley riders do like to wear little leather butt buddy outfits together
@@El_Peto you watch too many blue oyster bar movies
I have a 06 ultra classic cvo and a 1982 xl500r that I ride more than my harley. These days I prefer the dirt over the drama that seems to go with bike nights and biker bars. Definitely agree with you 💯 on spending 30k on a dirt bike.
Only Harley riders are capable of complaining that a bike is both too heavily accessorized but yet has too many stock parts in the same breath. It honestly is no wonder that HD is driving itself off a cliff trying to satisfy their customers.
I don't understand why the Pan America doesn't come with a rough black (or other color) paint job.
HD did it because they can. If you see one out in the dirt youll be like "whoahh!" And THAT'S why the guy bought it. Having the accessories is cool, but if it has no more performance than a stocker, well. . .
They will sell, maybe not just in the numbers anticipated?
Hi 👋, GixxerFoo, Thank for sharing your experience with us, the bike looks great, it might be worth clear wrapping it, ,
Great looking 👀, Bike, from the moulin, F .
They don't put the screaming Eagle exhaust on there. Because now anything that is designated race or off-road use only you have to take all of the customers information information and it has to be turned in. The customer also has to sign paperwork, stating that bike will not be written on regular roads.
I've never written "bike" on the road. I wouldn't do it, even if I bought Screamin' Eagle exhaust. Ha, ha
That’s federal bs… local law enforcement aren’t gonna pull bikers over just to check their exhaust emissions.
Some of the CVO bikes are pretty nice. One thing that I don't like is how misleading it is though when you look at the motors, it gives the impression that the motor is all Screaming Eagle, with it engraved on the cylinder heads. And for what you pay for some of these bikes they should be, they would be more worth the money if they entire motor was all high performance. Even though I love Harleys, the feel, sound, look, etc. I don't like how they undertune their motors from the factory, then they push this Screaming Eagle stuff. Now the mufflers, and carbs, throttle bodies they are good quality products. However they need to improve their cams where they increase the power more, the aftermarket like S & S and Andrew's, Feuling, etc got them beat.
I like the Pan America but, the CVO PanAm is like a lifted, big tire 4x4 that the most off roading it'll see is when you have to park it in the yard to make parking room for your relatives when you have a birthday party or something. And the biggest load the truck ever carried might be a bag of peat moss.
Harley wants to get that last dollar out of every bike they sell. Somebody would buy it just to have.
I have two buddies who own BMW adventure bikes, they never ride them off-road. They say the people that they know who own the adventure bikes never take theirs off-road either.
I buy cruisers because I like to cruise. If I bough a sport or an adventure bike I would probably just cruise on that as well.
I have a Pan Am and that motor is one of the greatest things HD has ever done. I know they have their core audience, but why oh why, are they not using that motor as the basis for a decent sport bike and going racing? They really have a chance to capture some new riders like they have been trying to do for years. I gotta believe with a few tweaks that motor could be the core of a decent sport bike. Instead we get 100 million down the Live Wire drain. It kind of drives me nuts.
But yeah the CVO thing for that bike makes little sense.
Harley is scrambling to get a more diverse ridership. I think it will go the way of the V-Rod.
Ehhh more people buy ADV bikes to use as highway touring bikes than actual offroaders. At least in Australia anyway.
Let’s be honest, not many of these adventure HD’s are actually gonna see any off roading or even gravel. I rode a Buell Ulysses and a Ducati Multistrada for years, both wonderful bikes. but the only bike I took off road was my Honda CRF450…
I love the Pan-American, but I would never buy one. It’s a fun bike to go out and test ride, but I just am not a sport adventure, bike person. I am really hoping that they either do a CVO or especially a special or blacked out version of the breakout. I bought my wife a nightster S in 2023. I’m anxious to see what is going to happen with the breakout.
Harley is not going to put an exhaust that is not EPA compliant on anything. They will always leave that violation up to the customer.
Harleys future motor across the board. Harley listening to it's customers? I'd say they are. More hp says the consumer. There ya go!
Some people just want to be fancy ! 🤔
I really like that. It looks awesome. That'd be my pick if I was going to go that way
That bike may be a good idea for guys with more money than sense for doing any off road where you WILL ding it up and there goes your resale value down the ol canyon shute after the limited edition paint is scratched!
That's what got me is spending that money for a CVO pan, that's all limited edition paint and it's hard to replace on a CVO. I would have a hard time using that bike for what it's actually intended for.
Good content..did they ever straighten out the computer / electrical issues?.. Carry on..
I believe they did and got that charging system issue worked out.
if we consider the prices of the parts that would need to be added to equip a special Pan América like this cvo version, then I think it's not such a bad deal...
the desire to acquire a Pan América is growing within me, I often ride on very small and very steep roads in the Pyrenees near my home in the south west of France and I am sometimes tempted to take forest tracks and the Pan is also a very good touring bike for long road trips, so I tell myself that it could better suit my use than my Low Rider S or my Heritage, apart from the fact that we move away a little bit of the custom spirit and long-stroke engines that I particularly like after many years of riding these machines..
Greetings from France...
I have a Versys 1000, not no way am I taking it off road, it's a Sport Touring machine not a mountain bike
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Keep up the good work, I really enjoy the videos and the good info you distribute.
You could argue the CVO Pan America is the most useful CVO ever, paint be damned. It’s priced accordingly to what it is and on par with the BMW GS.
It really will go a lot more places than any other CVO in history, damn good point
@@GixxerFoo there’s a couple design failures, namely the location of the battery and voltage regulator. Horrible spot to put those on an “adventure” bike.
Making a cvo pa is like putting perfume on a pig.
Holy crap there’s so many CVO road glides at dealers now. Yes I’m street glides. Not touring no big bikes. What I call a big bike is like a CVO limited dresser. That’s what I ride. I ride for comfort and I put miles on it lots of them. These things don’t even have electric locks no luggage nothing and that big ass screen I mean it’s nice but if we know Harley like we know Harley, it’s gonna mess up and keep messing up. Mine kept messing up until I replace it with the sound stream. It left me blank. It’s good I have my phone but that thing it doesn’t have any gauges something happens to the bike. You gotta carry a stick with you yeah man . Seems like Harley is just doing performance, which is nothing wrong with that but some of us people still like to go touring we like some performance for sure, but we like our comfort and we like to put on a lot of miles. I am not a bike nighter. Walking around Dress up like a biker. I’ll do that. That’s my thoughts there’s of cvo’s in the dealers and people are changing them all up. Painting them and everything. I guess that’s what you Gotta do now. Nothing wrong with it. Nothing wrong at all but are you calling it a CVO? I don’t get it.
The pan am is right up my alley, I don't like the twin cam, but I do like the panam I live in the islands that bike is perfect for me
Some just too much money than they know what to do! 😮
Me personally I wouldn't buy a specialty Harley or any other, especially for that kind of hard earned dollars. Just give me ALWAYS A reliable drive train, frame, suspension n paint n cheaper price tag n I'll use it for the intention ,RIDING 😊
Too many riders buy limited or anniversary editions and put almost no mileage on them.
Banging up a Pan Am CVO makes more sense than parking it.
If you’ve got it, ride it as it was intended. I say go for it!
That's my thought, ride em and don't hide em. The anniversary editions didn't gain in value like a lot of people thought they would years ago.
The Pan America looks like R2D2 and C3PO had an ugly affair back in the 70’s. Who the f&ck buys those things? Lol
😂 CVO! 🎉
No.
I've only seen a few of these clown bikes in the wild.
NO MoCo versions.
Great video!
Pan America, now there's about a useless bike if I ever saw one and for $30000. Definitely for somebody that has too much money to park in their grudge and tell their buddies about it
So at the Naples Car Experience I saw a 2022 custom Rolls Royce Ghost which the owner said at a following interview that he drove running errands. So I guess it's a matter of how much money you have.