Harley-Davidson Tech Dependency on New Screens: Will it Break the Bank for Used Motorcycle Buyers?
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2024
- Harley-Davidson tech is here and it's literally right in front of your face now, it's new, it's cool and it's the way everything is going. Is this Harley-Davidson tech going to last and what does this mean for the future in the used market. Right now it's not going to be an issue as the bikes are new and they are under warranty, which is all well and good but even warranties have their issues. The big issue is how is this Harley-Davidson tech going to age when it comes to the used market in the coming years. This can really increase the cost of repairs and replacements if you buy a used motorcycle which has all this Harley-Davidson tech and you suffer from a failure!
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How do you feel about screens taking over everything, not just the stereo but the gauges on Harley-Davidson now?
I don't like it, I know some technology is EPA driven, but this is different, Right now you can ride a hundred year old Harley, in a hundred years, how many of these bikes are going to be operational? Not many
I think it’s a mistake just like the eventual water cooling of future big twins but the company will move forward as it sees fit and we will have to make do. My plan is to stick with older bikes. There are plenty of low mileage older bikes out there and it’s a buyers market.
I dont need or want it....But at 62 it doesnt matter to me because i can stay with the TC's for another 20 or so years...
I like it. I just hope it is reliable. Lobe my lil VW bug conv but every one in a while the electronics have a gremlin every now and again. ( A known VW feature) They get back OK but if you're on a bike and all you have is digital and the gremlins show up, your rider bell ain't gonna help just sayin. Gixx love your videos.
@@binarym Looks like by your comment you answered your own question?...It wont be relaible...
The best way to fix electronics in cars/trucks/bikes is to never have them in the first place
You're exactly right, the electronics are nothing but headaches.
Agreed
100% FACT
Good luck with that... you can't buy a new dishwasher without the over the top electronics.
And unfortunately some of these electronic things are pretty much out of necessity to stay ahead of over regulation that is only getting worse. Some of this stuff they are not doing so much because they want to but they have to to be able to stay ahead of competition and government over regulation. So for the most part we are going to have to go down the road and deal with it.
“Technology is great as long as it works,” summed it up perfectly.
It's wonderful till it quits then we can do that math on the consequences of that.
“Screwed” is the proper terminology.
The more new bikes evolve the more I love my Evolution bikes.
Couldn't agree more. Twin Cams & M-8's, heck all new bikes are nice. BUT !!! These bike are disposable just like cars and trucks today. God willing, your Evo, my '87 FLST-Special that I've owned since day 1, will still be on the road in 100 years long after I'm gone. She'll be puttin' a smile on someone elses face.
maintenance and not wrecking, any bike will last forever.
@harleyhawk7959 lmao 👍💪
I agree but electronics in newer bikes make it tricky if the OEM parts dry up and no aftermarket to fill the void. Might make it tough. Thanks@@harleyhawk7959
My HD mechanic owns 2 bikes: a 2023 Street Glide and a late 90s Evo Heritage (which he only bought last year from a guy who was told old to ride anymore). With both parked in his garage, the Evo is actually the more desirable of the two bikes. The Evo will just keep on keeping on. I wouldn't mind one myself, but am very contented with my twin cam 103 Softail Slim (apart from rusty wheel spokes).
I like the old school analog display. Forget digital!
K.I.S.S.
They dont want these things running 20 years from now.
I have a 2014 Road King and I doubt ill get anything newer.
Harley lost their greedy way.
My 2011 RK Classic is perfect. Will do whatever it takes (so far, nothing!) to keep it forever.
my 05.U.C is and will stay my newest harley. up graded the motor to geared cams, timken bearings, S&S balanced crank, everything else to make it tick.
Planned Obsolescence, same thing the auto makers have been doing for decades now. HD finally caught up.
I put plugs and points in my panhead today
Not a new condenser? 😮
@browngreen933 yes ,I went all out .
It took HD 3 years to replace the electronic speedometer on my Sportster. There were so many failures it took them forever to do it . I don't have any faith in all the electronics on today's motorcycles. Just another way to break down 😢.
That's quite concerning it taking that long to change a speedo and now were talking a big screen tv on the dash.
you can get a speedometer from a bicycle shop for a 10 speed that'll work
Sadly, I'm willing to wager that replacing one on a Goldwing would be as simple as can be. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love my Harley. I'm just sad at the level of "we don't give a fuck about our loyal customers" that many dealerships have began to display. For the money I've spent at my local dealer, I want nothing short of the proverbial red carpet. They cost too much to have so many headaches.
I will keep my 1995 Electra Glide Classic the new bikes come with a lot of headaches.
Have a nice weekend everyone.
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I WILL STICK WITH MY EVER RELIABLE 87 EVO.
I’m with you!!!
No interest whatsoever in this new garbage!!
And my evo is 84, first year soft tail
I have a 1998 FLHSHRINE & 1991 FXRS LOW-CONV I'll keep my EVO's
Thank you I'll stick with my old faithful Evo.. No limp mode on it. ✌️👍😎🇦🇺🍻
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Interesting question. The tech is great, but when it breaks, it’s big money to fix if out of warranty.
Livewire has a huge issue with delaminating screens. All the screens I know of on Livewires in Florida are delaminating. The oldest of the livewires started selling late 2019 so barely have three years on them.
That could very much be what we have to look forward to!
I don't even use my radio on my bike.... Guess I'm Old School. "There's no radio on a bike!" 😂
The wind is my radio.
I’ll stick with my old 1994 heritage softail
Stick to my older twin cam
Me too. Fingers crossed that nothing will fail (eg turn signal sensor ... or anything else that's non available aftermarket).
Love the simplicity of my '16 RK
*2002 88ci Twinkie chimes in*
Nice, but… all I need is 2 wheels and comfortable seating position. My bike is my escape from screen time.
I like your take on it.
It could be a problem in the future, but electronics have come a long way, too.
I wouldn't be surprised if we don’t see a company come out with some uber custom replacement in a few years. Imagine programming your own display screen.
Funny how the 2024 with new stuff cost less ... look for Big deals on the left over 2023 !
There's some awesome deals on leftover 2023's out there! Even some really good deals on 2022 models if you run across any.
Still have my first and only Harley. A 1995 fxstsb springer softail. It’s slow and doesn’t stop on a dime but it’s been a great bike and with its simplicity I can work on it myself. I rarely have to do more than clean the carburetor though. It’s been a very reliable bike
Its all plastics too, heat and cold makes it brittle and will fall apart sooner than later.
I don’t think anyone has to worry about there screen going black that’s not going to happen. Well it could absolutely happen but I don’t see problems coming with that. BUT what I did hear from my local dealer is that on these new engines we will not ever be able to upgrade to a better CAM or headers and no aftermarket tuning will ever work on these new models now is that true I have not a clue but they did tell me that at pocono HD in PA. If that is true that is a HUGE PROBLEM. that’s half the fun of building your Harley to what we want it to be making it ours. Me personally I’m not a fan of the big digital screen and I like my Rushmore man I have a 21 street glide with a 128 big bore kit from Zippers performance air ride custom paint I’m never trading my bike in I’m very happy with what I have I don’t need the new and improved. Great video man just thought I would share my thoughts have a great day
Yep project Rushmore was the time when Harley got their fingers out their butts and did worthwhile improvements. Thicker forks , hard bag latches ect ect . I've got a 2014 and 05 Deuce. LAST Harley's I'll ever buy .🤙🇺🇸😎
I like my 2012 Electra glide classic.....it's got the paid off option. Do wish I kept my 02 carbed Road King.
I've regretted selling every one of my older models...
I own a 1997 evolution softail and love it.. no issues with it👍
They need to make it where you can plug your phone in if screen dies.. and on your phone shows entire screen or at least fuel / temp/ oil gauges ..
Good point you make there HRC! I've contemplated fitting a good rugged 8" Android tablet that connects to the vehicle via a Bluetooth OBD adapter. But will that give me all I need (total odometer, trip meter, remaining fuel range, etc). Everything is a compromise.
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You can plug your phone in and see all your electronics. Piggy backs to Harley Davidson.
Like everything else were there is a will. There is a way.
@@craigkvalheim1296 I've actually got a FP3. I didn't know that it could see everything. Does it show odometer? Fuel range? Current speed?
The fact that the bikes have been out for less than a month and they already need ECM flashes due to a crank no start issues makes me so glad I got a 2023 and didn't wait for the 2024.
That's because Harley use their customers for R+D fact . They're like suck it and see .😵💫😉
100% facts on the difficulty finding certain obsolete parts like dual fork legs, gauges etc. Love my 03 FXD but it has the TSSM/Bank Angle sensor that when it goes bad will shut things down real quick and is no longer in production.
All you have to do is ground pin 9 and 10 I believe. Get a schematic for the tccm and back out the wires and ground them. One is for the starter relay and other is labeled ignition.
Ahhh the good old days when you could replace a pushrod on your XLCH with a big block Chevy pushrod,Bluestreak ignition points for a Chevy six cylinder and 60weight oil from the farm supply store. Oh yeah, almost forgot,Champion J 6 sparkplugs. Nothing like roadside diagnosis and emergency repair with some electrical tape and baling wire Of course some of those temporary repairs were liable to last all the way to Sturgis and back a couple of trips
You'll be a good dude to have around when a new 2024 starts going tits up then 🤔😉😂😵💫🇺🇸😎
I talked to my dealership yesterday, they said that (educated guess) the replacement cost will be $4000-$4500 versus the GTS radio at $2000.
I worked for a Mopar dealership for many years and that was a concern we had when they ran everything through the radio. We did see some issues with it but not as much as you would think. I think now I'm used to it and I don't think k much about it any more. If they don't do it people will complain they are not competitive enough and when they move forward people will say it's just ridiculous to rely on computers. Either way people will complain.
It is illegal in many states that you can not have a TV in view of the driver. This is borderline illegal. Check ✔️ the regulations for your state.
That's a really good point! I have often wondered how manufacturers are getting away with having screens in front of drivers.
Calling a screen with gauges a TV is a stretch. Those laws are intended to prevent people from watching tv/movies while driving. Cars with screen radios/information centers prevent video playback while the car is moving. Of course people hack those to allow it, but that's on them.
@@hawkdsl A TV is a TV no matter what you call it.
@@frankmarkovcijr5459 "Technically" yes. But these screens are not traditional "TV's" in the way that is widely understood. That's splitting hairs, and you know that. I'm willing to bet not a single Police officer in any state would give anyone with a screened Harley a citation for that. That would be ridiculous.
@@frankmarkovcijr5459it's a screen not a TV 🤔 IT gives the same information as the analog clocks ( you still look at those ) . Even though I'd personally rather have analog.
I'll ride my 2009 Heritage into the Sunset...Thank You.
Said it before and I will say it again lol.. I will keep my evo
Right on! New stuff is too expensive and it's getting ridiculous.
Best Motor Ever I put an S&S Carb and easy to Fix.I keep a crotch Rocket when i get the speed Demon Spirit .
Nothing wrong with an Evo, some just want more. Doesn’t mean those with M8’s don’t have a Evo in the garage. HD can’t win with some people, usually the ones that wouldn’t buy no matter what they put out.
@@GixxerFooActually, the bikes are cheaper today than 20 years ago, inflation calculated. That was before the price drop in 2024, now it’s substantially less expensive, with more than a motor, frame and two tires.
Love your channel . Best HD content on the web. All these 1980 comments- I don't think Harley has you in mind with the new bikes. ;)
Check out Kevin Baxter & Ryan Kruesi too, good H-D content there also.
We graduate thousands of students every year in 2014 when they came out with the new Rushmore bikes, the radios where digital and tied into the bikes engine management it didn't take long before they were able to electrical components around that so that we could change the radio and still have full operational 😮of the bike engine management and handlebar controls .
There are companies out there that make replacement radios 4 Harley-Davidson I'm pretty sure one of them will figure out and just like the Rushmore back it will take a little while they'll figure out something .
The simpler they are, the better they age
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Wise words indeed Pete. That's why the older Guzzis are quite pricey ... futureproof in many ways, plus some aftermarket bits to make a good thing better.
@@Jonathan-L …agreed 🍻
(Coming from a millennial) Between the 3 giant computer screens I stare at all day for work, the big screen in my truck, and my iPhone max…I’ll happily take a break from screens when I’m enjoying my bike. In ten years, all those things won’t be usable but the analog on my evo will still be kicking 💯 When it comes to motorcycles go for reliability and longevity over tech!
Really good points!!!
I'll stick with the road king....I loved the analog gauges on the street glide. If they put them.on this newer styled design, id probly buy one.
I bought a 1990 FLHTCU in '92. 40 watt Front - Rear sound system/ CB/ Cruise Control, etc. I truly loved that motorcycle. That was of course in the Evo days. Along the line, things stopped working. Then I had a nice-looking bike w/ a bunch of boat anchors attached. I wouldn't do it again.
Unfortunately a certain amount of tech advancements are necessary because it’s a constant cat and mouse with EPA over regulation. But yeah they should have some kind of backup for the screen, a way you can Bluetooth it and run the vital info on your phone or something. That is an interesting point.
Agree 100%. Commented on some of the release videos not liking the full computer for all displays and got some ugly replies on my comment. Telling me it is progress. So okay, progress is a computer for every aspect of our life. It’s great, til they fail.
These day electronic dashes last a long time. But for me, i just think that the big rectangle is simply unattractive. I really wish HD could have at least made it a bit more elegant.
Great vid! My newest bike is a 2019 RE Himalayan. It’s one of just a handful that has old school gages and no plastic bloated body panels. I really do not like the new direction of modern motorcycles. In the future there will be “decraniated” shops ready to gut these new bikes
My brother and his wife have two of those Royal Enfields . In NY State as well as a Triumph Tigger 1200 and Honda CTX 1300 I believe one year only .😎
My ‘21 Road King left me stranded last August in the middle of a 10 day trip. Bike when into “limp” mode after getting lunch in Red Lodge, MT heading back to Cody, WY. Tried everything to reset the check engine light. I could clear it, but would come back on and back into “limp” mode 100ft down the road. Waited on the side of the road for almost 6hrs because AAA is a garbage company. Finally got towed to Billings, MT. Pulled the bike off the tow truck, started it, no check engine light… Took it for a ride down the road and everything was perfectly fine. Seeing as I already went through a major headache getting it there, I figured they can still check it out. Thankfully during the rally their dealer was open on Sunday. Got it in first thing Sunday morning and as I suspected they did not find anything wrong with the bike. Said they can start pulling it apart to see if they can find a wiring issue, but obviously that would be hours worth of labor. Opted to take my chances with it and left the dealer. Haven’t had a single issue since…🙄
Again that’s why the 98 Evo’s was the last of the HD’s you always could make running if you had installed a simple Advanced Unit Breaker Ignition,…(NO Electronic here).. and almost..no matter what, you just took a piece of wire from the battery to the + terminal on the Coil and then kicked or push started it…and you were able to ride to “safety” and get it properly fixed. Absolutely NOT possible today with impossible sealed black boxes with nano-prints and what have you….!
I still love my 2017 FLTK M8 though,…well after I fixed it with a S&S Oilpump, S&S Camplate, S&S Lifters, S&S Pushrods, Zippers 468 Cam, S&S Manifold, Feuling Injectors, a 2-1 Sharkroad Exhaust…Modified by myself,..and I could go on…., it’s worth noting that the Bike has accepted all the changes and modifications without any problems,.. so I think it’s fair to say the factory Quality is pretty pretty good. And of’course that’s a hard one to admit 😂👍🏻☠️🛠🇺🇸
I agree 100 percent. Good info. Thanks for the video
Thanks for watching!
The big problem with these things is that the interconnectivity can make you vulnerable to malware.
Very happy with my 23. Glad I didn't wait for the 24s.
If you look in the cockpit of a modern aircraft you will see numerous Video displays. If you look closely, you will also see analog gages as a backup up for when the displays fail. Same could be done on a bike.
Especially if you get caught in a rainstorm, who knows what will happen to it.
I know it's the future, and been on cars since like 2018. Just not sure on a bike in the open, getting rained on, vibrations etc will hold up over time. Like all past HDs , we learned that first model years always had issues for at least a couple years until they figured it out .
It's good that Harley is finally keeping up with the times, but I personally don't like the big screen. I actually don't even like the screen and fewer gauges on the 2014 and newer bikes. I had a 2016 Ultra Limited and traded it in on a low mileage 2013 Ultra Limited, mainly because I like the older dash set up so much better. I guess I just like analogue gauges.
I love the new bikes but I’m also really glad I bought my 23 ST. The last of the easy to work on bike that doesn’t rely on this new screen. I can’t imagine the cost to fix out replace this massive screen.
I love those ST models!
My favorite hand talker!
😆🤣🤷♂️ what can l say
You do you man we love ya @@GixxerFoo
Old Ham Operator for sure. always talking.
It’s a concern for sure, I’m not a rich man, so a bike with a problem that takes hours of labour for what might be something minor!
When those screens go on cars, they are an expensive fix!
My old Gold Wing had a radio from the factory. By the time I bought it there was just a big hole in the fairing. I have a dirt bike with an LCD speedometer that is impossible to see in sunlight. You just convinced me to keep my old bikes.
As one of my favorite authors was wont to put it, "Ever at the mercy of a single fuse." You hit the nail on the head when you said technology is good... when it works! Makes me happy that I bought my SG in 2022 whose system is pretty much sorted out. Even if the infotainment system takes a puke, I'll still have gauges to know what the bike's doing. If I need a map, I have a phone. The only issue my 22 SG has is, oddly enough, the kind of problem that you were talking about the dealer being unable to fix; mine being the infamous TPMS glitch. I could get that part of the system shut off if I could find a dealer who would do it, but can't seem to get it fixed so that it works correctly. I'd hate to have that happen to *all* of my instruments!
I’ve never got more than 5 years out of a cell phone before it had issues 🤦🏽♂️ software and MC’s were never supposed to meet!!!!
Distracted Harley riders and distracted cage drivers. Now nobody’s lookin out….hell got cut off by one of those driverless pos taxis the other day.
What happens when you punch out the mirror of a "driverless?"
Now I'm curious...
😂 good question!
I will stay with my ‘97 Sportster. Every single part is found aftermarket for this bike. And you can still even find original Sportster parts if you look even a little on EBay, Craigslist, or even on Facebook marketplace.
i just cant go away from the analogue gauges, one reason i traded my street bob for a Road Glide.
BMW went digital years ago and never heard of a serious issue. Thing is, they use the screen(the standard one) in a ton of their models. If the screen in used in just two models and then changed in a couple of years...yes, it might become an issue. Also, manufacturers charge an arm and a leg for what essentially is a tablet with a 15 years old tech inside.
The tech stuff is a pita on old bikes cause we tend to keep em running forever if we can, it's not a DIY thing changing capacitors etc, I like simple👍
If this was 10 years ago, I would be concerned, but in the present day the display screens are a proven technology. Harley gets a bad rap anything they do, stay old school people complain, modernize people complain. I'm normally not a fan of a lot of the decisions they make, however, in my opinion they did good
I overheard an H-D salesman who was handing over a brand new bike to a happy customer say “if it doesn’t start, you turn it off again and reset the computer, and away you go”….. If it doesn’t start?!! It’s a brand new bike, there shouldn’t be “if it doesn’t start” for at least 5 years! You would never hear that in a metric showroom. 🤷🏻 Harleys had 2 things, simplicity and character, they neutered out the character by counterbalances and lightening the flywheels and now the simplicity has gone. I’ll stick to the older models thank you.
While not ideal, if the bike starts, your phone will get you home. Estimate 30mpg, fill often, a simple speedometer app will guide you, while GPS maps will give you directions. Interestingly enough, I live in the Northeast, if I was in California, I would head east until I hit the Atlantic, then turn left. At that point finding home is not a big deal.
So ive obviously seen these new screens and WOW they're big . Ive got a 4.5 on my 14 Streetglide and when it was brand new it would get moisture in it . Eventually i had it replaced under warranty. The Streetglide special was 6.5 i believe? Its always been in my mind about how long stuff like that lasts . In the old days you rode your bike , no music , minimal electronics but now 😵😵💫. It already crossed my mind about what you have stated and you know when the warranty expires then what ? My 14 Streetglide is still under warranty! I got two years when the bike was new and have since put two 5 years on it so 2026 and i could do it once more i believe but i might not because of cost ( its like $3,000 for 5 years !!!!!) . I also have a indi that could probably do some work if i needed a new motor God Forbid. The bike has 45,000 on it and is immaculate and i run it on Amsoil. My 05 Deuce was bought without warranty but ive tryed to bulletproof these bikes and dont cowboy them . Hopefully they will see me out .🤙🇺🇸😎
We like the old school just not enough parts on some things. Iv gor a 98 classic and the elrctric fuel is screwed but i still love it its mine....
Got 2 evo sportsters. An '03 cam and an '09 FI. The cam-O-3 has its own charisma and characteristics from cold start, but love how it rides on and on flawlessly after fully warm. Its my baby. The FI is very reliable and a no-brainer from start to finish. That is my workhorse. The both ride and feel very different, but love them both. Just wish they came with an inbuilt fuel gauge.
i can remember when electronic ignitions became a thing and we were all like fuck that you cant fix it on the side of the road like points , 50 years ago , they turned out alright , but when there dead there dead . i always thought they would come up with a put your phone here and that will be your dashboard type thing , phones dont last that long , so it would get updated every couple years
Years down the road this is going to be a nightmare 😫
I like the new electronics but as you mentioned it will be interesting to see how well they hold up. I think overall I prefer analog guages on my bike. Appreciating my 2002 carbureted Fatboy more and more these days.
When it fails, convert to carburetor and points and just do a simple chopper wiring.
I wired my 12 volt offgrid solar home like a chopper. 😅
There's no way in hell I'm paying $25,000 for a bike that will have to be converted into something that runs.
@@StevenRogers-hw9dj hahaha, I hear ya bro. Me either.
I noticed the 2024 Ultra Limited is not equipped with the new faring or screen. It basically remained equipped with same infotainment system and gauges. I wonder why?
To many electronics a Deal Breaker . I am old school and No use to Me .Get that thing Wet and it is over .Like a Ford F150 5800.00 set of Tail lights with all the electronics . I hate the new Fairing's and The Flat Fat Boy Headlight Deal Breaker , .Just buy a GoldWing .
I feel the same way, I am there to ride and not worry about the phone or the gps... it's good to get lost every now and again.
looks cool but lots of limitations, as you can't replace with anything else if you get tired of it. MY 23 ultra still has GTS, so I can replace that with a soundstream when I'm ready.
I feel it just got more difficult to upgrade your sound system.
I have a 17 road king and have no intention of any more electronics than that!
You might want to download some speed and milage apps to you phone as a backup in case the new screen goes black.
Thank you.. great video. You just convinced me to not purchase a new 2024 Roadglide.. and keep my carburated EVO Heritage....
For sure hang onto that Evo Heritage! Those are getting to where they are irreplaceable!
And then there’s me, sitting here thinking about going back to points on my shovelheads.
3:34 Not everyone knows how much fuel they have with or without everything working lol
Good content...knobs n buttons...I suggest an evo road king to enjoy..Carry on
Fuel & Engine management , should be the only electronics on any motorcycle 😊
Totally agree with you thats why my next bike will be an evo or shovel
Those older bikes just keep getting more and more appealing.
It seems that harley has forgotten why we ride in the first place . Keep it simple . When riding you need to focus on what is going on around you and not a tv screen ! 10:14
By the time these bikes are old enough to start breaking down the aftermarket will be making computer screens for the older bikes. Aftermarket stereos that can run everything. And probably be better than the original.
I deal with electrical issues all day everyday working on semi trucks. It's a nightmare. I want to get on my bike and ride to get away from all that. Keep em simple.
I like what they’ve done. I hope it all works. I hope they find ways to update them easily.
They already are easy to update, no worries there.
Well the analog gauges are digital. I prefer analog style. The big screen would be nice using a map while riding.
When i go out for a ride on my 97 Fat Boy, im glad that i can escape all the screens and Technology for a while :D
I think itll be fine, you dont see many ecu's failing in bikes, heck in my riding year ive only had a ecu fail on my 91 gsxr 2 times once on the oem one then years later a powerpak ecm
I think there should still be a couple of "idiot" lights. Oil pressure, low fuel, battery charge.
Just test rode both a Road glide and Street glide and could not believe how much crap is on the handlebars for controls etc . Way too much but they rode awesome , love the new 117 but rather have the simplicity of my 2008 fat bob,
GixxerFoo great channel by the way. I have a 20 road king and thinking of installing a recluse slave cylinder is it worth the price or would adjustable levers have the same effect on the clutch friction zone. Thanks again for all the information you put out.
Another informative vid. It's 3:30, time for yet another variant of the displacement of the big twin. They will never stock all of the parts for the older new bikes. Are the screens made in... "Offshore"?
Display after 2yers be so old=casset music 😊
When you say "all new" did the fix the frame for the death wabble. There was already an issue on the new faring streetglide about causing a death wabble
Just think, there are still plenty of 2023's for sale at the dealers.