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  • Here's a technique every rider should have in their bag of tricks. It will come in handy on any curvy or winding mountain roads.
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  • @IIghostu
    @IIghostu 2 роки тому +4

    Mr. Jerry I must say 2 days ago I watched this video twice carefully and going back to make sure I didn't miss anything. Yesterday afternoon and this evening I took out my little cycle I practiced for about 20 minutes on nearby s curves at about 25-30 mph then I went up to 35- 40, it was incredible. Using your techniques and expertise is really making me a better skilled and safer cyclist. Thank you for sharing your time and superb skills. I went over to my best friends house he rode for many years Harleys and Honda Shadows for the police department and showed him some of your tricks of the trade. He loved it. I will continue to practice my new hobby.
    Regards,
    D'Angelo
    Navy Veteran

  • @Migs3
    @Migs3 4 роки тому +22

    It's like a light bulb turned on in my head! I've seen lots of trail braking videos but YOU explained it to me the best. Thank you so much!

  • @jerrycain8367
    @jerrycain8367 4 роки тому +13

    Rode for 52 years,, this is a very good explanation of trail braking. One other thing, trail braking collapses the fork, reduces the dynamics going on up front. When you reach the apex, the fork is already collapsed. Much smoother transition.
    Ee

  • @ananda_miaoyin
    @ananda_miaoyin Рік тому +1

    Hey, Jerry. I appreciate your videos a lot.
    I am a fellow Harley rider and I live on 193 in Northern California. Look it up. Steep and STUPID but awesome riding!
    Always looking for tips as I have been riding for over 30 years but still consider myself a novice; ready to learn.
    I just took the CHP safety course (like today!) and learned a ton.
    Keep up the good work. You are a credit to this community.

  • @darthdurkelthewise320
    @darthdurkelthewise320 Рік тому

    My wife just took her MSF Course where they do not teach trail braking at all.
    I have shared a few of your videos to demonstrate the need to lean so many thanks but I’m getting off topic…
    Anyway, I had been working with her prior to her MSF class and I purposely did not go over trail braking so it wouldn’t cause her any confusion or problems w/examiners.
    However, when it was all said and done she stated that she likes trail braking as it gives her more confidence in larger curves/turns and it helps her reduce that corner heat.
    IMO, they really need to incorporate this into the class considering the importance of turning and braking on a motorcycle.
    There are tons of riders that have been using this method well before it had a name.
    Great video as always!

  • @hramsay8756
    @hramsay8756 3 роки тому +2

    @ 2:00 Check out the Model T! Notice the double check at the intersections. Excellent description of the braking technique, entering the curves and releasing at the Apex.

  • @brucebarlow160
    @brucebarlow160 4 роки тому +4

    Best explanation ever! Watch 2 or 3 times, all the benefits and downfalls are explained. Do not attempt if you’re a doofus!

  • @ianmackenzie686
    @ianmackenzie686 4 роки тому +5

    Palladino's my go-to guy for the intense low-speed precision control practice (head/eyes, friction zone, bit o' rear break) but this was a damn good demo of trail braking. Easiest to understand for me anyway.
    Thanks again!

  • @woodwork5574
    @woodwork5574 4 роки тому +2

    Enjoy your videos,really well done .I lived in Inverness and Floral City for many years back in the 70s and 80s So when I see the scenery in your videos it takes me back.Thanks again.

  • @lynnmichel6440
    @lynnmichel6440 4 роки тому +8

    You have the best tips. I was taught front brake only when stopping straight so I slow into the curve and increase speed at the apex. However, my local riding doesn't have drastically hills or curves. If I ever ride in Southern Ohio I might need this info. Thx for all you info. Never stop learning.

    • @skinnybigstuff1040
      @skinnybigstuff1040 3 роки тому +2

      Im in southern ohio. The roads are nice and twisty

    • @alandavis1245
      @alandavis1245 3 роки тому

      @@skinnybigstuff1040 I was on 41 73 and 136 yesterday. Love those roads. I’m near Batavia

  • @AV84USA
    @AV84USA 4 роки тому +9

    It’s interesting to see Trail Braking explained in that way, with a slant toward touring Harley’s. I’d recommend anyone riding serious twisties learn even more about the benefits of braking into turns. Do a UA-cam search, there are a lot of additional videos on the topic.

  • @lonniegrimes4179
    @lonniegrimes4179 Рік тому +1

    I live in NW Florida and I want to take your class. I want to send you a picture of my bike. Your wife and her ability to ride any bike better than most men is an inspiration. I rode some as a kid and when I was supposed to be an adult I worked and partied put motorcycles behind me and raised kids. Now I want to be the best I can be same as My job

    • @motorman857
      @motorman857  Рік тому +1

      Keep in mind that the Ride Like a Pro course is an advanced class. You must first have a motorcycle endorsement to take the class and you should have the basics down pat before taking the class. If you meet that criteria, go to ridelikeapro.com and click on classes with motorman.

  • @Kwhopperfan
    @Kwhopperfan 4 роки тому +3

    Great video, while the curves you have to work with are minimal in comparison with some states I am glad that you have taken the time to point out the correct way to trail brake. So much info out there that is wrong. Following through on a tight high speed turn with the front brake applied makes everything so much more planted without any upset of the bike. Resulting in a smooth controlled entry and exit of the curve.

  • @ositownsman227
    @ositownsman227 3 роки тому +1

    the phrase that sticks with me is "wait for the weight" as in let the forks compress before adding too much brake pressure. Good video, you need trail braking here in the Alps, lots of hairpins

  • @johnmacdonald1878
    @johnmacdonald1878 4 роки тому +1

    Just another tool to have in your bag of tricks.
    I liked the the demo pushing the bike with a light touch of the brake.
    I ride like one of your other videos, where you mentioned you weren’t trail baking because you didn’t need to trail brake. I don’t trail brake because I don’t need to trail brake,
    I like knowing how to trail brake JIK I ever need to pull an extra tool out of my bag of tricks.
    Like any other tool it helps if you have practiced using it before you ever need it.
    Sometimes it just comes in handy.

  • @innovationgroupofsouthflor4744
    @innovationgroupofsouthflor4744 4 роки тому +7

    Thank you Jerry. This is a very effective technique worth learning and practicing.

  • @jimmorrison306
    @jimmorrison306 4 роки тому

    Glad you covered this topic. People should be taught trail braking. We have LOTS of curving roads here in southern WV. It made a 100% difference in my confidence in curves. My butt doesn’t pucker and grab the seat as much now. Makes the bike feel more in control and balanced. Happy rider. Happy bike. Happy butt.

  • @jdelv86
    @jdelv86 4 роки тому +5

    Great video! I've written a book and online course to teach trail braking to the average street rider. Your video here reinforces my theories and techniques. Best wishes!

  • @funkingfuss9724
    @funkingfuss9724 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks for all you do to help me survive on 2 wheels.

  • @miker9043
    @miker9043 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks for your great videos ! You do everyone who rides a great service!

  • @lisabibby6274
    @lisabibby6274 3 роки тому

    The way you explained trail braking and showed it was extremely helpful. Thank you, it's very much appreciated.

  • @rachet0708
    @rachet0708 Рік тому +1

    I once saw one of Jerry's video's about leaning your motorcycle and he said a simple and safe way to get the feel was getting on a bicycle and practice riding in circles. As a motorcycle lover, a Mtn Biker and cyclist, I thought, What?!?!. So I started paying attention to my habits, and it hit me, he is right, there are a lot of things that crossover. While on a bicycle, the front brake can sometimes not be your friend, these trailbreaking and cornering techniques are somewhat similar, but most all provide that feel at a lower speed and in a situation that won't cause a terminal accident. Before anyone starts blasting me, I'm not saying it's literally the same, I'm just saying if you have never ridden a motorcycle and your trying to learn, get on a bicycle on some hills and curves and get the feel of what is supposed to happen and how it is supposed to feel. It sounds crazy but if you can handle a tight turn at 12 mph on a bicycle you probaly do not need to be on a motorcycle.

  • @KC-zb7fo
    @KC-zb7fo 4 роки тому +4

    Find it really useful on roads you dont know well and usually on my gsxr not so much on my wide glide.. great pointer

  • @lisaleedavidson
    @lisaleedavidson 4 роки тому +4

    MSF Advanced course teaches the trail braking technique now. So you are slightly on the front brake to just prior to the apex of the curve, then off the brake and roll on the appropriate amount of throttle on the part of the curve past the apex. Great for switchbacks. Those in the Vermont area can try the Brandon Gap on VT Rt. 73 just northeast of Brandon Vt. There are several other windy roads up in the area where you could practice this technique.

  • @oldninjarider
    @oldninjarider 4 роки тому +7

    Welcome to the dark side Jerry. Preloading the front forks changes the rake angle slightly so you can make adjustments in the turn. I also let mine drag slightly when using trail braking and by keeping my fingers on the lever I'm already to pull it in slightly rather than grabbing. It does work but yes in most corners you don't need it. I've been using it for two years with a lot better control in the twisties.

    • @jerrybrown66
      @jerrybrown66 4 роки тому +2

      I always keep two fingers on my lever for the same reason, and the instructor in the advanced riding course I took got all over me about it, marked off points and kept me from getting a perfect score on the test. I'm not changing it. It works for me.

    • @oldninjarider
      @oldninjarider 4 роки тому +2

      @@jerrybrown66 yeah I've had the same issue. They think you're a squid and will grab it indiscriminately

  • @libertywraith249
    @libertywraith249 4 роки тому +19

    I like trail braking for BLIND curves especially. I like that it means I am already slightly on the front brake , JUST in CASE there's a hazard ahead... I can stop quicker.

    • @oldninjarider
      @oldninjarider 4 роки тому +2

      Exactly. It's saved me from driving over objects and avoid a couple of over the line drivers

    • @jrforeman279
      @jrforeman279 4 роки тому +1

      Hello Motorman,
      Is this something you do all the time so muscle memory comes into play?

    • @luvsallbikes279
      @luvsallbikes279 4 роки тому +2

      I was thinking the same thing the other day , blind curve ..well I am already on the brakes, just a touch ....makes sense

    • @libertywraith249
      @libertywraith249 4 роки тому

      @@jrforeman279 I'd like to hear his response for sure. As for me, I have basically incorporated it into my everyday riding.
      60mph is about 88 ft/second
      If I already have my hand on the brake lever I have cut 88 ft from my total stopping distance.

    • @MrDickhead47
      @MrDickhead47 4 роки тому

      Liberty Wraith exactly, where I live I have to trail brake or I’m gonna either scrape or have to pull off for cars. Blind curves that tighten up on you, loose gravel, etc. big bear ca

  • @kreechur4054
    @kreechur4054 4 роки тому +2

    Love these videos,,,,,,,Everyone needs too learn in the dirt (dirt bike) just my 2cents you learn so much

  • @queasyRider3
    @queasyRider3 4 роки тому +1

    Very, very, useful info at 7:40; at least, it is to me. Thanks again, Motorman.

  • @lewisstratton
    @lewisstratton 2 роки тому +1

    I love your videos. Your experience shows through.

  • @johnpaley8857
    @johnpaley8857 4 роки тому +6

    I've been trying to make this a natural "go t" for a while. Bike always feels under more control around bends. My opinion is it's a good practice.

  • @brucesantacory1390
    @brucesantacory1390 4 роки тому +4

    Another Advantage to Trail Braking is coming around a blind corner if i already have a little brake pressure on, and suddenly there is an obstacle in the road, just increase the brake pressure, Trail Braking has saved my bacon several times in long blind corners, with deer, and backing out cars and junk in the road, it's a good technique to know.

    • @jet0577
      @jet0577 4 роки тому

      How did you straighten up going around that curve with an obstacle in the road and not fall over? Because are you not suppose to brake hard on a curve with obstacle in the road. Just curious

    • @jimwotring4402
      @jimwotring4402 3 роки тому

      @@jet0577 your front tire is loaded. Some more break is fine. If your in the turn with no front break no weight on the front. And hit the front break. You will lock it and wash out.

  • @kevinfaherty9887
    @kevinfaherty9887 Рік тому

    Thank for the technique tips,Mr.Palladino.

  • @justanotherviewer52
    @justanotherviewer52 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks Motorman. A simple, effective technique worth learning AND practicing.

  • @kevdogg3793
    @kevdogg3793 4 роки тому +1

    Asked about trail braking a while back thanks for the video

  • @leojansen2773
    @leojansen2773 4 роки тому +1

    You have made me a better rider thank you.

  • @splodge57
    @splodge57 4 роки тому +19

    Well this was a surprise. I have always thought you didnt touch the front brake in a curve and trail braking was lightly using the rear brake whilst leant over to scrub off some speed.

    • @wushock92
      @wushock92 4 роки тому

      I used to use a little rear brake coming out of the turns on my Gold Wing to try to control the bike's tendency to ride up on the ring gear. Guess I just carried it over to my Harley.

    • @HJC1950
      @HJC1950 4 роки тому +2

      Same here - it just seemed like "trail braking" meant using the rear brake. Okay, I was wrong. Also, at reasonable, legal speeds, trail braking is rarely needed. A problem I have with the concept is being able to subtly apply the front brake while also subtly regulating throttle - seems like a lot to try to do at once with your right hand...add to that changing gears up and down on a curvy mountain road and it's a real challenge for a "flat-lander."

    • @gabbyhayes1568
      @gabbyhayes1568 4 роки тому +4

      @@HJC1950 Agreed. I rarely ride aggressively enough to warrant trail braking and I never touch the front brake below 10 mph.

    • @2010hdultra
      @2010hdultra 4 роки тому +2

      @@HJC1950 being native to WV I guess I dont see the issue. But again, I never have a chance to ride a straight road that isnt an interstate

    • @krytenLister
      @krytenLister 3 роки тому

      You were right...trail braking has always been about the rear brake....now the FaD is the front brake ....load of bollocks

  • @blubase06
    @blubase06 3 роки тому

    I have a cruiser and ripping in the corners is that much more fun hearing the pegs scrape

  • @lisajohnson8566
    @lisajohnson8566 4 роки тому

    Another amazing video. I've been riding a motorcycle for 44 years now and the guys I used to ride with taught me how to do it. One of the things that was drilled into my head was never touch the front brake in a turn. I found your video fascinating as it was the exact opposite of what I was "taught". May I say that you technique of a "little" front brake just transfer the weight of the bike in motion to the front wheel. The way to think of how much braking to use is a combination of just transfering weight to the front wheel and don't ovvercome the friction of the front wheel in the turn. It does make sense and I guess if you use your rear brake if you find yourself going to fast in a turn the bike just squats instead of loading the front tire.
    It's winter time here in Klamath Falls, Oregon so I won't get the bike out for a few months but I can't wait to try this on the road. Also I probably should put this comment on your "dip" video but I've been doing the dip for years and didn't know what I was doing. But the turning the head I've never done so consciously and can't wait to try that too.
    Thanks so much for the videos and at my age I can't afford to dump the bike being stupid. Thank for your videos...........

    • @steveapel2961
      @steveapel2961 4 роки тому +1

      Lisa Johnson I have news for you you were taught right. Trail braking is something used by professional roadracers riding racebikes on racetracks at racing velocities. It is not something used during street riding on public streets. And when you do trailbrake you drag your REAR brake, not front.professional roadracers have used this trait for many years, and it's taught at various roadracing schools. If you carefully watch this video, he isn't slowing down at all while going round the corner, what he's doing on the brakes isn't affecting the bike at all. It's just over complicating a simple act of traversing a smooth easy corner. If you find yourself going too fast approaching a curve, use your brakes BEFORE reaching the corner to scrub off as much speed as necessary. Then, just apply constant throttle as you traverse the corner. There is no reason to be touching the brakes while in the corner. This will ensure the bikes suspension is settled, although this doesn't apply very much to soft comfy imprecise cruisers. It will much more affect a firmer sportbike or metric motorcycle. Check out California superbike racing school run by Keith code, a racing legend. Its fun watching Jerry s videos, but they may not all be exactly spot on 100 percent the only way . Of course, each and every new video is more revenue, I wish I had such excellent business sense. I realize that most of the people watching these videos are very beginning riders, so Please, before any negative comments I didn't start riding last month . I have for many years , and have been fortunate to attend schools that were taught by former national champions so I know a little I guess. Thank you to all for sharing, your attention and riding. Motorcycling as a whole has declined in recent years. My goal is to increase the overall motorcycle community, whether it be cruiser, sportbike, dual purpose or touring. And, all brands of bikes are of course included! Ride safe. Cheers!!!!!!!

    • @lisajohnson8566
      @lisajohnson8566 4 роки тому

      Thanks Steve for your comments here. I bought a '77 Sportster and drove it off the showroom floor. That is the only bike I have ever had and it's fun to ride today. I went for a period where I didn't ride much and the skills go away. So I'm learning it all over again. At my age I cant' afford to wreck myself or the bike so I'm very cautious and taking time to learn "the right way". If this virus thing ever gets over I plan on attending the State of Oregon "Ride" class for some added tips but I love to ride and now I have the time to do it. Thanks again for your comments and advice. It's much appreciated. Best regards, Lisa

  • @keepittwisted3805
    @keepittwisted3805 4 роки тому +1

    Basically feathering the front brake through turns. I'm in the lowlands of S.C. so not many areas to practice or need that.... like you in Florida. Thanks again for another good tip and video

    • @VirtualOz
      @VirtualOz 4 роки тому +1

      Thanks Jerry I’m down in Oz and I appreciate your time and expertise in these videos

  • @gotminegettingyours
    @gotminegettingyours 4 роки тому

    I got the CD, and I watch these videos. Jerry, this has really improved my skills - and my enjoyment of riding up in the Adirondacks/Poconos/Catskills. Thanks buddy!

    • @motorman857
      @motorman857  4 роки тому

      I rode in that area back in the med 70's. Unfortunately I was an untrained rider back then and I'm lucky to be alive with all the close calls I had.

  • @ultraglide486
    @ultraglide486 4 роки тому +3

    Just heard your call in to breitbart. Now im even a bigger fan of yours!!

    • @jerrybrown66
      @jerrybrown66 4 роки тому +2

      I've heard him called in several times to Alex Marlow's show!

  • @mickc4633
    @mickc4633 4 роки тому +4

    I hear that really works good in the rain it on gravel roads. Of course I ride a heavy bike like you. So I imagine trail breaking would be very helpful LOL. Just playing around. Enjoy your videos. I never had a need to plant the front and I usually throttle through the bend planting The bike into the turn

  • @lkoz5800
    @lkoz5800 3 роки тому +1

    Love the content! I learn alot from your videos! Thank you!!

  • @thomasblea1676
    @thomasblea1676 3 роки тому

    Again, thanks and God bless you Jerry for the additional safety tips. It would be interesting to be able to see the number of lives you have spared from excruciating pain? Again, many thanks brother Jerry!

  • @kellygrant4964
    @kellygrant4964 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you are the video. Been trying to get a rider the rethink and try this. Of course thy think it is just a "supersport track" technique. Just can't think that it is a 2 wheel way of getting around a corner much safer than the crap slow roll look and press and roll garbage that has been spewed at us.

  • @renostubbs8504
    @renostubbs8504 3 роки тому

    This is a useful technique, thank you so much for your time and experience

  • @dadtube1936
    @dadtube1936 4 роки тому

    Yes you get more grip on the front tire but a bigger benefit IMO is sharper steering you gain from the geometry change with the forks compressed.

  • @keithgraham8874
    @keithgraham8874 3 роки тому

    Glad I watched this. So basically as a cruiser rider I don't need to trail brake because I'm not trying to take curves as fast as I can.

  • @stufoo
    @stufoo 2 роки тому

    I just picked this up naturally on the very tight twisties. It just made sense

  • @dieterf8304
    @dieterf8304 Рік тому

    Nice explanation, thanks Jerry..maybe it may be even more visual if you have another camera showing the brake action… trail braking an absolute must!

  • @codyism666
    @codyism666 3 роки тому

    Im 31, just bought a harely. Im glad i did. Its an electra glide, a cruiser, just said screw it a bikes a bike, i want it, heres the money for it. I weigh 130-140ish, and im glad i bought the harley. I know im not gonna kill myself on it like i probably wouldve a sports/crotch rocket. Because its such a heavy motorcycle, im learning a lot driving it. Haven't dropped it yet.

  • @dangtruck5438
    @dangtruck5438 4 роки тому

    I've been getting use to this method about a year . A hard concept to grasp . I travel 30 mi twisted hwy pines to palms . 6k elev drop for my grocery and supplies at least twice a week sometime 1000 vstrom and on cruiser deuce . As a professional driver always brake well before the curve but that's a 80k lbs sled .

  • @kman-mi7su
    @kman-mi7su 3 роки тому +1

    Good technique, I use it at work when I ride police bikes, honestly, I don't use the technique much riding my personal bike. I usually am not going that fast, I ride alot of country roads or the Blue Ridge Mountains in VA. I like to ride at a leisurely pace when I do so I can take in all of God's beautiful creations. Its therapeutic that way a release from the pressures of work for me.

    • @hughriger6177
      @hughriger6177 3 роки тому

      Good point, because if you think of a police cop maybe riding fast to catch up with said criminal... Now that would make sense to have all the tools in your head for such riding too fast around curves... So, practicing this slowly makes sense!! Cheers from AZ and Thanx!!

  • @funkingfuss9724
    @funkingfuss9724 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks for stopping at the sign. even though it's in your neighborhood and it was not a safety issue. The law is not about right or wrong, it's legal or not legal. As explained by the cop that gave me the ticket.

  • @jeffmiller7647
    @jeffmiller7647 4 роки тому +1

    Thx for splaining what trail braking actually means. Ive been doing it for yrs riding colorado mts where I live out of necessity not even knowing to manage these tight switchbacks and usually elevation changes over 3k ft. Have learned to dance with my harley thx to watching your vids. You rock!!

  • @jerrydaydc2804
    @jerrydaydc2804 3 роки тому

    Another great video. Great braking technic. Thank you!

  • @MightyMick88
    @MightyMick88 3 роки тому

    Great demonstration Jerry thanks.

  • @loyalhearted6101
    @loyalhearted6101 4 роки тому

    I use both brakes for braking at lights stop signs and I also use trail braking if I come into a right or left turn to hot

  • @susandavis3108
    @susandavis3108 4 роки тому +1

    Love your video's please come to Zephyrhills Fla and help some of us out with your training we sure do need you here especially with all the snowbirds tis is this a season a lot of motorcycle accidents in Pasco County.

    • @motorman857
      @motorman857  4 роки тому +1

      Susan, I teach my Ride Like a Pro advanced classes not far from you in Port Richey Florida, here's the link to my class schedule thru June of 2021, www.ridelikeapro.com/rider-classes/

  • @3555ed
    @3555ed 6 місяців тому +1

    I’ve always tapped my front brakes then apply light pressure on rear

  • @whskywolf
    @whskywolf 4 роки тому +2

    I recall when studying for my permit in Ohio they sort of covered this, but did not call it trail braking, just using the front brake when taking a curve. Of course that was 36 years ago lol.

    • @Just_Call_Me_Tim
      @Just_Call_Me_Tim 3 роки тому +1

      I'm willing to bet Ohio has some nice roads to ride. They're not much fun in a semi (well, the shitty, pothole-filled and insanely "patched" ones are already off the table), but the better maintained county roads I've been on seem like they'd be fun.

  • @lisar3006
    @lisar3006 4 роки тому

    I had bike with drum brakes until I got an 02 FLSTC with disc brakes and i had to really practice with them they are so grabby. Drum front brakes aren't worth much and with tank shift scooters you don't get in the habit of using the front brake that much anyway. Thanks this was a good video.

  • @Nevertrustalawyer
    @Nevertrustalawyer 4 роки тому

    Most of the deaths where I live are people on Harley’s going too fast in corners, scrape their pegs, unweight the tires, and low side.
    Trail breaking on a sportbike works great. It plants the front tire, compresses the suspension, thereby shortening the wheel base making the bike easier to turn.
    I also think the main reason Harley’s crash in corners is, they most likely just left a bar headed for the next bar, and that little extra liquid courage is enough to take them down.

  • @scottbollinger3641
    @scottbollinger3641 2 роки тому +1

    Great educational videos…do you use the motor home for your videos, or for camping?

    • @motorman857
      @motorman857  2 роки тому +2

      We sold the motorhome last year. We used to take it to many events around the USA, it was great while it lasted.

  • @Just_Call_Me_Tim
    @Just_Call_Me_Tim 3 роки тому +1

    Was... that a Model A or T or something!? Wth Florida? Lol!
    Also, awesome video and explanation! Thanks for this.

  • @13_Cowboy
    @13_Cowboy 4 роки тому

    I live in a mountain road with a 25% grade: one foot up for every four feet forwards. Or meters too if you’re European. 🤣
    I use this 100% of the time on our twisty Swiss mountain roads. Take it from a near-100% mountain pass and valley Harley rider - it WORKS. I actually think you should start gently releasing before that apex. The reason why is that when you brake, the bike is trying to stand up in the curve ever so slightly (depending on how hard you pull of course). When releasing, it causes the bike to fall MORE into the curve, thus making the aspect more natural as you don’t have to counter steer as hard. Smooth is fast, and both brakes and throttle have an effect on the lean. People who say “only idiots brake in a curve” are wrong and certainly don’t have something like our Grimsel and Furka passes (google that). Brake smooth and gentle in the curve. During and after if you HAVE to (we do a lot) and counter steer to counteract the lean angle changes - SMOOTHLY.
    Especially Harleys run out of lean angle before they run out of traction during curves without radical driver input.

    • @13_Cowboy
      @13_Cowboy 4 роки тому

      Oh, by the way, I think lane position in curves is both counterintuitive and most people do it wrong. You could do a vid on that. Outside the curve: you can see farther, and has the added benefit that your head isn’t in the oncoming lane. Because of our ...terrain (🤣) it’s actually on the practical test and you will fail if you don’t stay to the outside of the curve. And in our county, you have to do it with a chubby cop on the back.

  • @mojomanmurph1925
    @mojomanmurph1925 4 роки тому +7

    I tried trail braking on my 17 Street Glide Special in the mountain curvy roads. After a week vacation riding in the mtns, both of my front rotors and hardware were jacked up. The tech asked me what I did to do it and told me that I was throwing around 1,100 lbs (bike & me) + add more weight with G force in corners. Cost a pretty penny to get them replaced. Conclusion: yes I could ride faster in the twisties and trail braking does work after practice but not worth it on a big touring bike in my opinion. I will ride a normal speed if on my bagger and get/rent a smaller, lighter motorcycle if I want to run faster in the curves. In normal riding, you will not need to trail brake most of the time unless you come upon a hair-pin/switchback corner too hot; worth practicing just for such scenario.

    • @jimmorrison306
      @jimmorrison306 4 роки тому +6

      Too much pressure bro. Just need about enough pressure to activate brake light. Trail braking isn’t for slowing down - you’ve already done that. It’s just to shift weight balance. Take care.

    • @13_Cowboy
      @13_Cowboy 4 роки тому +1

      You’re doing something wrong or the brakes were already on the way out. There are places in Switzerland where we ride the brakes than WHOLE way. I personally live on a 25% grade with curves.

  • @Big88Country
    @Big88Country 2 роки тому

    If you try this for the first time, be careful not to stab the front brake quickly while the handle bars are turned! Ride safe, Be Safe! Thank you Jerry!

  • @jillystewart8567
    @jillystewart8567 4 роки тому +3

    It's so Weird Jerry to watch you on the wrong side of the road.. 😳😂.. From nz

  • @nokoolaid
    @nokoolaid 4 роки тому

    I can't use just my front brake. It's partially linked. Front brake control does front and rear and rear is just rear. It doesn't dive much on braking either, but yes, the technique works.

  • @MrBarman650
    @MrBarman650 4 роки тому +1

    Interesting! I was always taught that you should use the rear brake to scrub off speed in a curve because the front brake could cause the front end to wash out and land you on the gravel?

    • @shanewalker2257
      @shanewalker2257 4 роки тому +1

      me too it lessens the ground clearance and can cause harley to run wide and crash if you get in a bit hot. better to drag rear brack and accelerate sligfhtly so as not to dig in pegs or boards

  • @innovationgroupofsouthflor4744
    @innovationgroupofsouthflor4744 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you great video!

  • @JohnSmith-qs5fg
    @JohnSmith-qs5fg 4 роки тому +2

    04:12 exactly.
    There are old riders, and bold riders, but there are no old/bold riders! 😎

  • @sen0lis
    @sen0lis 3 роки тому

    Thank you for the useful video.

  • @gslantis
    @gslantis 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you for the video. We need to completely close throttle when applying front brake?

    • @tjcmoto5484
      @tjcmoto5484 4 роки тому +1

      I'm no expert but why would be applying throttle while applying the front brake?

  • @serenityhillhomestead5392
    @serenityhillhomestead5392 4 роки тому +2

    My 99 Dyna had very little rear brake compared to the 2016 Ultra Limited I traded it in for. I'm having to relearn braking because of the power in the rear brake on the Ultra compared to my old Dyna. There are lots of twisties in the Ozarks. I discovered trail braking a few years back and use it quite often.

  • @tonyt7705
    @tonyt7705 4 роки тому +2

    Motorman, I met a couple recently that have been riding Harleys for years. Neither has EVER used the back brake. They both say they learned “front brake only” riding from the beginning. I can’t imagine how that could work. Or, why they would even consider to never use the back brake. What would be the purpose or benefit of such a practice? Thanks, Tony

  • @paulpugh2480
    @paulpugh2480 4 роки тому +6

    Hey Jerry, trying to tell someone exactly how much front brake pressure they should be applying would be like me trying to tell somebody how long a string is.

  • @mikeyedmund
    @mikeyedmund 2 роки тому

    Well done Sir thank you.

  • @alexanderdolotovsky1101
    @alexanderdolotovsky1101 4 роки тому +1

    It's rather interesting demonstration for me. May I ask one question about? How many fingers you kept on front brake lever for trail braking? 4? 3? 2? It would be great to have a picture of hand on the grip while trial braking, as you did before for low speed maneuvers friction zone demonstration. Thanks in advance.

  • @Lisa-dy8hb
    @Lisa-dy8hb 4 роки тому +2

    I get given crap for trail braking out here in the Black Hills. Why i don't ride with several people anymore.

  • @breez9979
    @breez9979 4 роки тому

    Thanks for the recommandation

  • @lonniegrimes4179
    @lonniegrimes4179 Рік тому

    My motorcycle is similar to the colors on your bikes.

  • @jameswindham5159
    @jameswindham5159 3 роки тому +1

    Very helpful thanks

  • @JamieHigdon
    @JamieHigdon 4 роки тому +2

    i found that while riding the Tail of the Dragon, applying light pressure to my rear brake while going into the curve with slight throttle pushed me in to the apex and back out smoothly. i used the Trail braking some but on my big Ultra Limited the rear brake worked better for me .

    • @2010hdultra
      @2010hdultra 4 роки тому +1

      I have an ultra and have found in WV, trail braking with the front works well. Just enough to plant the front tire, rear braking is good too slow speed but does not help the front with traction.

    • @JamieHigdon
      @JamieHigdon 4 роки тому

      @@2010hdultra i use the rear brake in tight curves but in also not trying to break sound barriers lol. Front does work better for traction if needed

  • @richierich345
    @richierich345 2 роки тому

    I've been trail braking my whole life exactly the way you describe. Self taught while riding down New Mexico mountsins while on active duty.

  • @0873sp
    @0873sp 2 роки тому

    Hi Jerry, do you have any tracks near you? It might be easier to demonstrate the technique if you had a track.

  • @dencoop1
    @dencoop1 4 роки тому

    Thank you for all of your videos and Happy Thanksgiving ! So basically am I able to speed up engaging the throttle and at the same time use the front break to trail brake therefore controlling my corner speed fully ?
    My Bikes all have the HDRS (Bosch 6 axis system) ABS, corner ABS, traction control, etc....

  • @Ventcis
    @Ventcis Рік тому

    9:26 This is exactly like my Yellow Mustang ;-)

  • @kevincraig8257
    @kevincraig8257 3 роки тому

    so you're maintaining constant throttle while you're using the front brake ?

  • @spammedlars
    @spammedlars 4 роки тому +14

    2:10 was that a tin lizzie heading the other way?

    • @motorman857
      @motorman857  4 роки тому +2

      Yes, it was.

    • @spammedlars
      @spammedlars 4 роки тому +1

      @@motorman857 Thanks Jerry - I'm up in Tallahassee and picked up your
      "Best Combo Deal" recently as a "thank you" for all that I've learned from your videos...using that info in the meantime until I can get to a class at some point. Otherwise, I'm working on "no longer being a doofus...most of the time".

  • @scottlarson9348
    @scottlarson9348 4 роки тому

    I was riding down incline to Green left turn. I was breaking on the hill then mid turn realized I was too fast.. should have pointed chin and cruize it out... but did apply slight front brakes and that was all it wrote.... went down slide out broke my leg.

  • @sonnier1972
    @sonnier1972 4 роки тому

    Good day Sir, you should consider making up some t-shirts and stickers, maybe some coffee mugs. I would buy them. I’m a huge fan, really enjoy your UA-cam Videos! Thanks

  • @jensruckert4763
    @jensruckert4763 3 роки тому

    The techniques explained are great and helpful, no question. But ... where are the curves?? 🤷🏼‍♂️

  • @mpower6004
    @mpower6004 3 роки тому

    When you push forward on the right grip the front tire turns left so how you turn right when the front tire turn left ?

  • @David..
    @David.. 3 роки тому

    2:06 definitely don’t get whatever is in the oncoming lane if you want to carve some twisties.

  • @jrpenick3053
    @jrpenick3053 2 роки тому +1

    I’m coming from a sport bike I was taught NEVER to hit the front brake during a turn because you can tuck the front end & wipe out.’how do you get comfortable w hitting a “little “ front brake

    • @motorman857
      @motorman857  2 роки тому +1

      ua-cam.com/video/Wvrgn5akOm4/v-deo.html

  • @TheLablover3
    @TheLablover3 3 роки тому

    Just to confirm, when you are applying the brakes, are you maintaining the position of throttle at the speed you are using to enter into a corner?? I think that in itself needs some practice, so you don’t chop the throttle? Or even roll on the throttle when reaching for the front brake lever?? Am I correct on this?

    • @motorman857
      @motorman857  3 роки тому

      It depends. If you are coming down a steep winding mountain road where engine braking isn't slowing you enough, you don't want to use more throttle. On a level winding road trail braking into the apex while slowly releasing the brake to begin accelerating out of the corner.

  • @tworah
    @tworah 4 роки тому

    I notice on a lot of the videos you ride on the slick line or to the near right of it. I was wondering why you ride like that? In BC where I am from we are taught to never ride the slick line and to ride to the left between it and the centerline. Our hiway test is demerit points if we ride it like you are.

  • @jpulizzano
    @jpulizzano 4 роки тому +1

    thanks again.