The Elder Scrolls 6 Is In A 'Playable State' - Luke Reacts
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4 times the loading screens, 16 times the recycled assets, all of this just works.
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It didn't work the first time
😂😂😂😂
Recycled assets is fine, great even. Long as it results in a good game.
"If you've played our previous stuff you know that loading screen is not just a backdrop, you can wait all the way through that loading screen."
My expectations are extremely low. They haven't made a good game since Skyrim and all their games since have seemed like a Disney version of Bethesda instead of the dark games in messed up worlds they made in the past.
Honestly Skyrim wasn't even that good. Features wise it was a step-back from Oblivion
Mods and community love makes that game amazing. Vanilla is honestly bad. @loganlevesque7988
@@loganlevesquesHonestly Oblivion wasn’t even that good. Features wise it’s a step-back from Morrowind.
@@loganlevesques ur half right, back then there was nothing like skyrim, however they did dumb down a LOT of the mechanics, they gotta stop tryna appeal to a wide audience, give us depth as opposed to loads of shallow gameplay
fallout 4 was better than skyrim
By Bethesda standards, this seems like horrible news.
My thoughts when I first heard the news. They are in such a desperate need of an overhaul down to the last pixels that to think they already have something solid is foreboding.
its nothing, the game will still be what it always would have been.
remember when they announced the game 6 years ago ? they only did that to distract people from FO76.
and now this is just another distraction from how much hate starfield is still getting
Bethesda? Standards? Funny guy.
Remember, “playable” to Todd Howard is 10-15 fps on low settings.
Playable means a alpha stage with basic mechanics
@@DVictor23 Don’t reply seriously to jokes 👍🏻
@@DVictor23 Not at Bethesda.
Fallout 76 on launch basically
You need to upgrade your pc
The fact that Todd Howard said Starfield was his pet dream project he’s always wanted to do.. speaks volumes! I’m terrified for elder scrolls 6.
It’s hilarious that Starfield won no awards when it’s been his dream project. Should be a slap in the face to wake him up, but it won’t be because ES6 will also be garbage, I guarantee it.
Guess that Starfield roadmap went straight to the trash LOL
I would guess they have a separate team for both. But that being said, the bones are bad on Starfield. They need to abandon it.
Can you blame them? They dropped the Starfield turd on us, expected praise and are now backpedaling realising they can’t get away with giving us games that feel like they are a decade old already
@@RiderZer0they wont drop starfield, the stayed with f76 against all odds
This is how they work, as soon as they release a game they move the largest chunk of their team to the next project while leaving a small number for the updates/dlc of the game that just got released
@@merksmovies25 FO76 has a community of whales who will buy every single micro transaction they put in the game.
starfield cant be monetized in that way without majour backlash and they know it
Them saying they have a playable build sounds like they are using the same game engine.
Haven’t they been using the same game engine for 30 years?
@@Expressionistix they renamed it a couple times, even though it's a generation behind technically on a good day
The creation animations are so stiff
Underrated statement. If they were rebuilding their engine they wouldn’t have the game in a playable state. They’re sticking with the creation engine which means the same exact fundamental problems
cus they are....any issues you hated in Skyrim, just compound that by oh 10 fold...
never mind UE5 is super duper easy to use or that idtech along with experts are right there...
I would much rather have a game that looks and runs decent than all the mods...
cus if the game is decent then it means all the stuff they built actually works and is effective...and fun! fun is subjective but I mean enjoyable
of course i would like mods to be in as well but for me a out of the box game that works as intended and looks decent is preferable....
The announcement sounds like a “Hey! Don’t forget us please! Over here!👋 “
Me: eww dandelions.....
Not quite - there are like 10+ million people patiently waiting for it, no one is forgetting about ES6... :)
@@vonbleak101the whole point of this video was that people are much less excited to play ES6 than ever before.
@@vonbleak101 they will after launch lmao
@@acev3521We'll see - Each ES game so far has been a masterpiece so lets just wait and see :)
Lmao technically Starfield is playable. The question is...do you really want to?
NEIN!
I wouldn't touch SF with a 10 meter cattle prod....
Yeah def not. With WAYY less time on my hands now than back in the high school Skyrim days, not even going to buy it. Cyberpunk took that very little time slot, and still need to get to BG3.
The game is fine, glad I've just played it on Gasmepass and didn't spend £70 on it though
@@itsmatt517 it's mind warping garbage and nothing more!
@@worldofz00don't do BG3 it's pure trash
Tbh I have zero faith in it being a good game. I wish this wasn't the case.
As a massive fan of Oblivion and Skyrim I couldn't care less about ES6. I have zero faith left in Bethesda.
@@AnotherOne-ny5ls you're gonna pay every penny it for it though aren't you
Untill they make a bad elder scrolls game ima hold out but I won’t lie this is their 2 min drill they need good faith back
Their definition of playable may not be the same as ours
Its not, when we hear playable, we think complete. Its probably objectively playable but still very rough
@@merksmovies25 their fully “finished” games are usually pretty rough
Playable means you get to start menu
@@kylewhitmore5954 as are seemingly most games now adays at launch. But funny ive been playing since oblivion and the only game from fallout, elder scrolls and starfield that really had a lot of bugs upon release was new vegas (my whole save got deleted upon a the first update, 10+ hours wiped away). I have experienced bugs but none overly annoying
Larian Studios is King 🔥
After Starflop you know they are fast tracking ES6.
Starfield was the number 1 played game on steam last year and 3rd for revenue...this may come as a shock but fanboy twitter doesn't represent anything
@@tacituskillgore7437 it also does not mean that starmid is truly a "Game of Generation" said by bethesda fanboys.
@@tacituskillgore7437wtf are u on about? Less people are playing Starfail than fallout 4 rn. More people are playing 76 ffs. Calling others fanboys while defending a nothing burger failure of a game really? What a hypocrite. Making up stats to support your bs. What next your gonna use starfail winning most innovative games as proof it's somehow good.
@@tacituskillgore7437 Sorry to rain on your coping session, but just because a game/product sells well, even really well, it doesn't have much to say on quality. Perception of the consumer will always be most important. Some of the highest selling/most profitable games every year are some of the shittiest. Main example is sports games. Pokemon games are also a great example. You can cope all you want, Starfield was the most perfect example of "mid" we can use when talking about mid games. And that's at best. At worst, it was on par with games that released decades ago. Oblivian had more depth for christ sake.
@@tacituskillgore7437me on my way to straight up fucking lie on the internet.
"It's in a playable state" = "Please investors, don't sell your stocks yet!"
investors: [hits dump stocks button furiously] Oh we won't.....
Lol. Bethesda and Zenimax don't have any stock. They aren't publicly traded company.
@@SavageDragon999 they're owned by Microsoft though
@@SavageDragon999& even if they did it'd be rising right now following their biggest game launch to date.
Doomp it
You know 3-4 years ago I would've been unbelievably excited for Elder Scrolls 6. But with the trajectory Bethesda seems to be taking, I have a hard time believing they are going to deliver. I hope I'm wrong. I really do, but my expectations are extremely low. Maybe that will end up being a good thing.
The last time I was excited for TES 6 was before Fallout 76 was announced.
You are not wrong.
Skyrim is a terribly overrated game but it came at the perfect time, and beth made the mistake of releasing a working creation kit for free, and it came at a time when modding games throughout was still the norm. Without modding skyrim would be completely forgotten, with beth confusing its popularity for their own genius and not the billions of hours of time spent by modders. But it is this same modding scene that exposes the new games as so bad. Is Starfield really worse than vanilla skyrim? No, but we expect starfield to be as good as modded skyrim.
@@user-tp4ii6hs3l "and beth made the mistake of releasing a working creation kit for free"
That was literally the best decision the entire company ever made.
"Skyrim is a terribly overrated game"
How so?
" it came at a time when modding games throughout was still the norm."
No? Apart from Minecraft, there is no game that released anywhere close to Skyrim that has an extensive modding scene. Games that were significantly modded last released 5 years and earlier with Half Life 2, Warcraft 3, Starcraft 1, ... Bethesda since Fallout 3 has been the last AAA developer still releasing fully featured modding tools.
"Is Starfield really worse than vanilla skyrim? No"
Yeah it is?
SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE! No engaging detailed world, no radiant ai, no swimming/diving, no jail escapes, no unique dungeons, MORE loading screens, FEWER Guilds, fewer real quests (non-radiant quests), ...
How can you claim it is not significantly worse?
"we expect starfield to be as good as modded skyrim."
No, I just expected it to be as good or slightly worse than Skyrim, and I was massively disappointed.
@@user-tp4ii6hs3l L take
Games are in a 'Playable State' like a month or two into development.
Im a 3D artist, iv worked in Unreal, Unity, CryEngine, and spent countless hours in the Creation engine. I am NOT claiming to know everything about game development! I constantly see people blaming the creation engine for the short comings of BGS and it simply isn't the case. Outside of a few engine level bugs that they could fix if they bothered, its fine, in fact its tailored to the type of games they make save for Starfield, they just shouldn't have tried to make a space game with it. CDPR went to Unreal because the red engine is hard to work with and not because it lacks power or ability conversely the Creation engine is probably the easiest engine iv ever worked with. Game engines are not made of steel, they can be changed/updated, if BGS was to go to Unreal Id expect their game would look ~20% better, perform about the same or worse, have the same amount of bugs and we almost certainly wouldn't get a level editor for modding.
Yeah I don't know why people go on so much about the engine when clearly most problems with Bethesda's games haven't been engine related since Skyrim.
Instead, they clearly focus on the wrong parts:
Who thought that 1000 planets with just 50 different locations was a smart idea? Especially when even Fallout 4 and Skyrim had 5x more locations for just ~40km^2 of land area.
Who thought having maximum 4 Dialogue Choices was a good idea?
Who thought removing the radiant AI (that NPCs have lives, go to sleep go to work, eat, spend the evening with friends, ...) was a good idea?
Dev teams are getting to big and bloated. To many cooks in the kitchen means it’s harder to focus on a vision. Someone should have spoke up about having 1000s of planets being random, and have a few hand crafted worlds.
@@amazinghorizon8270 Indeed, my concern is that most people aren't correctly identifying the issues, and are applying pressure to all the wrong areas. A lot of people say the engine is over 20 years old and then recommend unreal without knowing its also over 20 years old and didn't even have the tech to make an open world game until a few years ago. I don't know who started the whole engine debate but it clearly wasn't someone who understood what they were talking about.
@@XSquidbeatsX If you watch the interviews with Starfield devs, you can see that they did speak up, but got out voted/were ignored.
@@jundersplunkett2365 Yeah, pretty sad. I hope Bethesda is capable of filtering useful feedback from bad and actually improve their games again.
I will not be purchasing ES6 on release.
but will you [purchase it with a fox? in a box, on a train, in the rain....ugh sorry this has no good ending lol
@@judgedrekk2981 foxes are awesome, I do like train rides while it rains outside, how about I take the box with a fox while I ride a train in the rain and I leave es6 alone
Then you will be left behind
@@Anastasius38 it’s all good, I’ll watch from a distance, in a creepy stalker kind of way, hiding in a bush hoping that wasn’t human poo I stepped in
@@Anastasius38 how will you be left behind? It’s a single player game lol. Doesn’t matter if you play it on day 1, a week/month/year later lol. I never buy single player games on release. Gotta wait and see if it’s not a buggy mess
I don't know. Todd Howard's interviews in lead up to Starfield were weird. He seems like a nice guy but he just seemed off... either he's delusional or he knew Starfield sucked and was trying to put on a brave face. The institutional arrogance of expecting (unpaid) modders to fix your game and make it fun is outrageous.
Lets hope the mistakes in starfield dont follow es6. Which i dont think they will unless they make es6 all of tamriel
Question of perception. I think he seemed extremely humble in the interviews i saw, like he knew the game he was about to release was going to divide opinion.
(The exception was "you may need to upgrade your pc", which was just funny.
Starfield's in a playable state too. It's nothing to get excited about.
“Playable state” defines every single game by Bethesda after release
Daggerfall was literally unplayable if you consider "being able to finish the main quest" a prerequisite for being "playable"
My expectations are really low for the next installments and not as excited as I thought I would be
I have such low expectations, but at the same time, if they don't blow me away, im not wasting my time on it.
You hear me Bethesda "take your best shot." im rooting for you.
I want Bethesda to knock it out of the park. Who doesn't want developers to make great games?
If, however, they die not with a bang but a whimper, I won't be surprised (or all that bothered given their post Skyrim (2011) performance).
@@slicedtopiecesidk it seems fallout 4 was received very well aside from a loud minority on release. But the younger generation loves 4, its their first game into fallout.
@@merksmovies25 You're not wrong though I can confidently say that given Starfield's reception Bethesda has reached the limit of watering down the experience in order to reach a broader audience.
@@slicedtopieces but i feel starfield is a deeper rpg than f4 tho, especially with dialogue options and backgrounds to choose from. In fallout 4 your just a father looking for your kid.
Even if it's good, I'm never buying a Bethesda game again.
They have bad writers. They clearly haven’t had a heartfelt moment where they’ve decided to change direction. I expect more slop/laziness.
I just hope the mages guild quest line isn’t as bad as the college of winterhold.
The issues with starfield go far beyond just the creation engine.
The big ones go back to it though
Yeah the creation engine isnt even the issue. I believe a great game can still be made with creation engine 2. But starfield was just too big for almost any engine. Its the procedural generation. And so as long as es6 isnt as big as starfield then were good
@@merksmovies25 It comes down to developer talent. Star Citizen had full scale spherical planets AND space ready around 2016 and 2017, made on an engine designed for small single player games. No loading screens when you leave the planet, you can land everywhere etc...
There is absolutely ways to render the scale of Starfield, but Bethesda is not the company to achieve that.
@@disrupt94 developer talent and focus. I bet you es6 is gonna change how its rendered. They probably believed it’s a nonfactor with starfield and wanted to focus on other aspects. I for one did not at all care about the loading screens or anything like that. But alot of people did. And the biggest issues of F4 that people complained about (roleplay, dialogue and forced settlement building) was ultimately fixed in starfield. This biggest complained issues in starfield (exploration and loading screens) im sure will be fixed in es6. They listen. Im saying those issues will be fixed for es6, however, im not saying there wont be any issues with the game tho
@@merksmovies25 " They probably believed it’s a nonfactor with starfield"
I seriously doubt that.
" But alot of people did."
Of course. the fundamental premise of a game like Skyrim is that you can see something and go to it, no loading screens required. It also ends up looking dated when other studios have solved interiors without loading screens while Bethesda are still stuck with that issue.
" And the biggest issues of F4 that people complained about (roleplay, dialogue and forced settlement building) was ultimately fixed in starfield"
Starfield has some of the worst written dialogue I've ever seen in a game. Their lead writer Emil seems to not put in any effort whatsoever.
Just goes to show, when they brought out that cinematic all those years ago, it was ALL they had.
It was lol.
If it's not at the level of Fallout: New Vegas, I could care less at this point. I would like to see choices and consequences, be able to kill important characters such as quest givers or main plot characters and the outcome tailors to your choices, real perk progression and I don't mean "10% extra damage this, or 30% extra that", that's boring and uninspiring. Being able to side with factions and not every single one in one playthrough because they want us to experience everything in one play-through. If they're just gonna take 15+ years to release games, it should have lots of replay-ability in terms of being able to have distinct builds per play-through, seeing different endings, trying out different factions and such. There's so much nitty gritty that Fallout New Vegas has that Bethesda refuses to pull off because they don't want the "casual player" to get lost and or confused.
I think the engine really wasn't suitable for an outer space adventure, Skyrim has already shown that an earlier version of the engine works fine for mostly one big open landscape all set in one place though
Wow so it's already the most polished Bethesda game 5 years before release that's wild
the sarcasm is strong with this one...
It’s chilling news. My heart sinks like it did when I heard “a thousand worlds to explore “.
After Starfield… yeah, the hype train looks more like a Clown Car.
Are they using the same engine with ES6? I wouldn't get too excited, unless you're stoked for more skyrim.
If the morrowind -> skyrim trend (and then fallout 4, 76,starfield) continues I'll be surprised if it's more skyrim instead of an outdated mess that has all its rpg elements entirely dumbed down this time. And yep, they're using the same engine, at least the '2.0' version from starfield
If it only was like Skyrim lol
@@k--musicI'm struggling to think of how you could further dumb down Skyrim's mechanics to be honest.
@@slicedtopieces Remove Perk Trees?
No Jail Cells and Jail Escape? (Starfield has removed this exact mechanic)
No different armor ratings for different types of damage? (aka armor also protects against magic)
No radiant AI - NPCs again stand around having no life on their own? (Again, Starfield has done this exact thing)
No diving, no underwater system? (Again, Starfield has removed this feature)
No Werewolf and Vampire Transformations?
...
@@amazinghorizon8270 Yeah... Oh boy. Could you imagine them doing that to an Elder Scrolls game? The direct comparisons to Skyrim will bury Bethesda for good.
I am SHOCKED! I thought Bethesda HATED making games
I’m so scared for this game to come out now after starfield. Starfield looked and played awful. No improvements in their system, design, mechanics or gameplay since oblivion. Other studios are outpacing Bethesda so much. I would be fine with subpar graphics by today’s standards but what worries me is that story telling, quests, combat, leveling up, exploring might be awful. Starfield was a huge huge step backwards for them and they said they were dying to make this game for 20 years and it was a passion project so if that was their passion project I can only imagine how ES6 will be as they don’t really want to make it just feel obligated to do it.
Bethesda as a whole entity is just outdated.Nothing will improve. They will do the same shit again.
I honestly think they should abandon the Elder Scrolls series, finally make the Fallout 5 they actually are legally obligated and contracted to that should have been made 10 years ago, then shut down their studio and retire.
@@AnotherOne-ny5lsyeah I'm sure they'll definitely do that cause you said so lol
Skyrim 6 just works
If they were serious about this game it would be far from a playable state. All that means(playable state) is that they’re still using their ancient engine, they probably built the world, dropped some new assets such as foliage, sky box, textures and called it a day.
I still remember a comment calling Starfield “Loadfield”
Instead of building a ship, you'll be building a horse!
leg of a stallion, head of a paint, body of a breton, leg of a halfinger, leg of a east Bulgarian, leg of a Kinski and tail of a Tori
Guard: oi, i used to be a horse breeder like you then i dodged an axe....
eh those are all legit breeds of horses I listed....
If only they spend last decade working on this. Jesus
you act like bethesda only works on 1 game franchise
@@natem355 thats how they do it they focus on one project at a time
Bethesa's "playable" is very different from what a normal person might consider playable. Remember, they also released Skyrim in THAT state, so...
If they fuck up ESO 6, I will throw the absolute wobbly of the century. They'll need to lock me in a padded cell.
wait for eldar scrolls 6 ultimate remastered edition coming out in 2034 for a bug free experience.
I'm excited for that Mystery Medieval Rockstar game that leaked 4 years ago haha
"developers can work with the creation engine quickly" oh really? The last teaser trailer for elder scrolls 6 was 6 years ago... it cant be like starefield again its not 2011 anymore they need to improve everything, remove as many loading screens as possible use a better game engine.
Well-managed developers can work with the creation engine quickly. Individual devs can. It's that Bethesda's management and structure are shit, so there's tons of wasted effort, bloat, and waiting for approval from Todd. But none of that is the engine's fault, the engine is actually very streamlined and capable from a tools perspective.
I don't even have expectations
BGS has greater than 450 people so having a small team working on the next project would make perfect sense. That and what a developer calls playable and what we call playable are miles apart.
I do think they need to move up to a better engine. They keep bolting on pieces to try and force it to be what they need and it is clear that CE is not up to the task.
How many loading screens on that playable demo?
I don't like that every studio is moving to unreal, games on unreal end up looking very samey. That being said Bethesda needs to make some major upgrades for elder scrolls to impress and go beyond what skyrim did.
If you want to understand the direction for TES6 look at the character screen(s) in Oblivion then look at the "character screen(s)" in Skyrim. Tells you everything you need to know.
character screens in Skyrim are better than character screens in oblivion
I just hope they completely switch their focus on HAND CRAFTED and HAND PLACES world, locations and quests, and stop with the procedurally generated stuff... because that's where they exceed, that's what was so special about Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim,
In Skyrim for example besides the main story quest line there were hand made side quests for all the guilds and factions (College of Winterhold, The Companions, Dark Brotherhood, Imperial Army, Stormcloaks, Thieves Guild, Bard's College of Solitude, Dawnguard, Volkihar Clan, Deidra quests, Black Books quests).
What I want is one big map that's completely hand made and filled to the brim with "good" NPC's, wildlife, points of interest, immersion, soundtrack, cities, towns, villages, bandit camps, caves, forts, forests (since its located in High Rock/ Hammerfell there my not be forests), open land fields ect. that focuses on quality...
Id even accept a barely modified Skyrim level of combat, It really isn't that important to me, I mean obviously I would love if it was a massive Improvement over Skyrim in every way in all areas of Melee combat, Archery, Magic casting and progression tree, but what It really comes down to for me is to experience a new adventure in the incredible world of Tamriel that I've grown to love as a kid...
edit* And to get rid of the fucking loading screens...
My expectations are rock bottom
It’s not graphical fidelity that concerns me but the amount of loading screens and bland art direction. Elden ring doesn’t push the boundaries in terms of graphics but the art is amazing and no loading screens required outside of fast travel.
"playable state" means un rendered assets on a procedurally generated unrendered map. with like 2 (of 745 to come) fetch quests implemented
Honestly if they just dropped Starfield and moved on to Elder Scrolls 6, I would have no complaints on that. Its something they should have done that with Fallout 76. The downside though is I'm worried that they will rush it due to it being such a long and anticipated wait. They might be in a losing battle either way because if they take their time, they need to update a lot of their outdated tools to catch up to games nowadays, before and/or during development, if they want to be at the top like they used to. If they release it too early though, they won't have enough time to update their outdated tools, and at best, we will get a good game but one that feels way older than it really is and at worst we will get another Starfield, though since it at least takes place in the Elder Scrolls setting and not a generic and uninspired Sci Fi setting, it should automatically be better than Starfield, at least on paper, regardless on if the writing, gameplay, quests, etc, still suck.
I wonder, how more many times Luke will bring up that quiz about people's excitement about next Bethesda game
My game is in a playable state. That doesn't mean anyone should play it in the state it's in. It just means you can make inputs that do something in the game lmao.
I feel bad for Shirley Curry (that elderly lady who's a huge elder scrolls fan) who been optimistic even though she said she hoped 6 would be out before she passes 🥲
I kinda expect ES6 to release around the time witcher 4 and larians next big game drop and i just can't imagine those games not entirely humbling and dwarfing the meager experience ES6 is def going to be.
So when they say “Playable state” they mean you can walk 2 inches without falling through the map? Also I think fans of CD Project Red shouldn’t let them off the hook for Cyberpunk because then they’ll be under the idea that they can fuck up so royally and think “Uh they’ll let us get away with it if we fix it later.”
CD Project Red knew they had to knock it out the park with the Phantom Liberty expansion in order to gain back people’s trust and that’s what they did and now I’m excited for Witcher 4 and Cyberpunk 2. Obvioysly they didn’t win back everyone’s trust and I think they know they can’t afford another disasterous launch. But what does “not letting them off the off hook” entail exactly? Never again trusting them or getting excited about anything they put out? Or just not preordering, because I never do that anyways. I always wait til there are lots of reviews (and usually a sale).
0:35 I see that as a sign that they've actually started reading the room. No one cares about Starfield.
Creation engine's flaws are what make it beautiful!
It was a typo. “It’s in a payable state”. Was what was meant to be said
Elder Scrolls is literally my favorite franchise on the planet. It’s depressing that I’m not even excited for this upcoming game.
If they could abandon creation engine, get morrowind tier writing on again, and make graphics look better I could forgive a ton.
Even that though seems to be too much for Howard & Co.
You just know it’s made in the creation engine. Brace yourselves for the next instalment of loading simulator.
Not if it's a single open world like the Elder Scrolls games before it. The problem isn't the creation engine, it's management and writing.
@@scirrhia_kruden do some research
I don't know much so I could be totally wrong, but I would expect ES6 to run fine in Creation Engine since Skyrim and Fallout 4 do. I think the problem with Starfield is that it was a passion project and because of that they were looking at what they had with "rose tinted glasses" and their engine and the way they make games just is really made for making an epic space game like No Man's Sky, for Starfield to really work they would've had to make it more like The Outer Worlds and have 3-5 truly handcrafted maps alongside the other procedural stuff.. The biggest issue with Starfield for many is the procedurally generated worlds/maps that are empty so that they can hit that "1000s of planets" mark. ES6 will be set in one (maybe 2?) countries in Tamriel and it wont have to relay on all those empty procedurally generated "fish bowls" and if they've learned anything from the player feedback then they should definitely be making sure to handcraft at least 1-3 large cities for ES6.
I would also add, Bethesda should be looking at the best and most liked mods for Skyrim and see that many of them are basically mods that make the towns/cities feel bigger. I myself have like 40 mods that do just that, I have so many mods that add content to the game that I don't use any mods that update textures or lighting or make the game look lie it was made in 20204, personally Skyrim looks fine it just wanted more in it. So hopefully Bethesda does that with ES6.
If they can hide the loading screen and remove some from elder scrolls 6 I think just by design it will be more fun then starfield because it’s all on one map and not disjointed with extra loading screens plus a lot of starfields dev Time was making the engine work so now that there done with that hopefully it will take less time to make and be more coherent
I don't want to think of Elder Scrolls 6 as coming after Starfield. To be excited. I want the creators to think, and I want to think of it coming after Skyrim. They realize what a special game it's been. And they are excited to recapture Skyrim in a new way and do it again. Make a good game that appears every once in a while in a blue moon. I guess we'll see.
I think we need to analyze what is the bar for the quality of each aspect of a fantasy RPG/action-adventure game that ESVI will have to reach to not only be successful but rescue Bethesda's reputation, at least in part. If we say the bar is at The Witcher 3 and Baldur's Gate 3, then anything less than those will inevitably disappoint.
Granted, I'm still excited for the game, especially for all the new lore we'll be exploring, but i also know that surpassing those games, especially from Bethesda, will be nigh impossible. I think, once we accept that it will most likely Not surpass them, we can dial our expectations down to a manageable unhyped level.
Considering that ES6 will likely release around the same time witcher 4 and the next larian game do, those are inevitably going to be the standard that bethesda will have to live up to and at this point they are way too far behind larian and CDPR technically and artistically to be able to close that enormous gap within a few years.
We don't have to analyze the bars. They've already been set by The Witcher 3, Cyberpunk and Baldur's Gate III.
@@Nico78Not no i think we do, to figure out what the standard of what we should expect from a top of the line game in various aspects of the game, through those titles. Say, what's the bar for a good dialogue/roleplaying? It's Baldurs Gate 3, so to surpass that, ESVI would have to have better dialogue and choices than BG3. What's the bar for a fully explorable fantasy world? I would argue it's The Witcher 3, so again, ESVI would have have a better world than that. Once you realize how hard it would be to improve of what is essentially the next best thing to perfection we've ever had, you realize ESVI will most likely not reach those levels, and you can dial back the hype and expectations to prevent disappointment.
@@Nico78Notcyberpunk is a different type of rpg, it's less open-ended than tes games, it's more narrative driven and less like a sandbox like tes, and Bethesda games are, in cyberpunk you are V, and the main story takes the spotlight, in tes games, you are able to do whatever you want, without feeling like you are missing out on the narrative like in cyberpunk or the Witcher 3
@@mygetawayartwhat was so great to exploration in the Witcher 3 can I ask? The dungeons and caves were tied to the main quest mostly, and weren't really worth exploring
am just hoping someone will leak footage soon i want to see gameplay
By playable as in it loads the level. They can move the character about. I mean if you have ever messed with the creation kit , that's probably what they mean.
Dude.... even Baldur's Gate 3 on it's engine blows away Starfield. Whenever a scene with dialogue come up for Starfield, in the back of my mind I'm thinking how much better the facial and movement animation in Baldur's Gate 3 make it look like a bad puppet show. I mean I keep expecting Sarah Morgan to turn to me and say "MATT DAMON."....
I sadly expect that both a CDPR and Bethesda game on unreal engine 5 will be the most blurry and laggy thing ever at launch
Im skeptical but excited. After STARFIELD I’m sure they know they need to make some changes.
Oh God, imagine if they rush Elder Scrolls 6 and its even worse than we expect.
If we could get the content of elder scrolls with the combat of DD2 I’d be so happy
People say this stuff and then as soon as the gameplay trailer drops everyone is gonna be excited again. I think it's not fair to judge TES 6 because of Starfield since they are very different games and Starfield was a concept doomed to fail. As soon as I heard "1000 different planets to explore" I knew it was gonna fail
Moores Law Is Dead just had one of the original Daggerfall/Morrowind devs on, and he briefly explained how he said to Todd Howard that the code that they were writing was the most valuable thing that they would do, so do it right. He left Bethesda because he couldn't bear the idea of working on another NetImmerse/Gamebryo/Creation Engine game after Morrowind GOTY. 25 years later and Bethesda are still using the same engine they wrote for Morrowind, it's never been rewritten.
Not even released games are in a playable state. Not Starfield, not Dragons Dogma 2, no f*cking game is in a playable state these days. ES6 is definitely not.
Don't judge an engine just by its graphics fidelity though.
For a good game you also need the tools to design the mechanics and systems of the game, and the quests.
I don't know how much of that the Unreal Engine gives developers, but the Creation Engine has these tools tuned exactly to how Bethesda is used to them and wants them.
That is probably more important to them than the graphics side of the equation.
I have ZERO expectations about new Bethesda games after STARMEH.
I guess all the loading screens are in place?
I hope it's not playeble yet because that would mean they build it on some ancient tech...
This had to have been an early April's fool joke
I still actively go back to skyrim and fallout 3 and do playthroughs of them and have more fun than most games these days and it’s not just the nostalgia, games these days just don’t focus enough on hand made exploration and the world. It’s all procedural generation and majority.
are they using the same engine as starfield?
When I read "it's in a playable state" before Starfield, I got excited to see what they were cooking. After Starfield my first thought is "this game is doomed".
I'm still waiting for a playable build of Skyrim, Fallout 4 and Starfield
The biggest problem with Starfield is the loading screens. If they had found a way so we did not have to go through 50 loading screens, the game would have been received a lot better. Unlike other, I do not hate Starfield, in fact I feel the urge to play the game occasionally the story and role playing in the game is better the Fallout 3 and Fallout 4, not on par with New Vegas but by no mean bad.
During the Starfield promotional hype train the gigachud Todd Howard himself made the bold claim "gamers just love to explore".
This mindset is at the core of the rot at Bethesda. Starfield gave you unlimited exploration, the problem is there was nothing to explore. Barren rock after barren rock.
Fallout 76 was another great example of this. Yes, after 5 years, the map of Appalachia has some stuff to visit and people to speak to, but it still basically a whole lot of nothing to walk through on your way to something.
Fallout 4's commonwealth was good to explore, lots of life and things to do in pockets. Most of the landscape was just boring and grey with nothing on it though.
Skyrim was boring grey rock after boring grey rock.
Fallout 3 was boring grey rock after boring grey rock.
Oblivion at times was awe inspiring. Exploring Cyrodil was a joy, the world was vibrant and everywhere you looked was a ruin or cave to delve in.
Morrowind was perfection. A gorgeous world with lots of biome and architecture to match the environment. Cave, tombs, ruins, forts aswell as other interesting places to visit.
Bethesdas biggest problem being the state of the buggy games they release. No matter how good Morriwnd is to this day, it is still plagued with bugs that Berthesda never fixed. There is not a single Bethesda game that doesn't need to be fixed with mods. Morrowind, Oblivion and Fallout 3 are so good you can over look the bugs. However, from Skyrim onwards you cannot forgive them this.
They had 10 years working the same engine and never fixed anything, this in combination with stripped down systems, the lackluster NPCs and the lack of anything on the map (except the same dungeon over and over) have shown that Bethesda is either dying, or any of its successes were flukes.
The Elder Scrolls VI is their last chance really. They think they need another Skyrim, when in reality they need another Morrowind.
They need to make a game people want to improve with mods, adding new quests, places, items, etc. Not a game people have to make mods to fix.
A game with a hand crafted map, split into regions each with their own City and supplementary villages, showing diversity in architecture and traditions within the ame cultrue. NPC's with different attitudes. Lots of different factions working with and against each other. An RPG that allow players freedom to build whatever character they want and make terrible decisions if they so wish.
Bethesda have done it before, based upon their last attempts though, I do not have faith that they will do it again.
i couldn't put it better myself. they need to move away from the disneyfication of their company from oblivion onward and make something that feels vibrant, fresh, and authentic. something that feels like a passion project and not something they sold to a microsoft marketing team as having the broadest appeal and being the least offensive.
they need to be like elden ring or morrowind, not oblivion, skyrim or anything that came after that, when the rot set in
When it comes to vanilla Bethesda games, there's no such thing as a playable state, sometimes literally lmao.
Im waiting for Wayward Realms personally. This is being developed by some of the original members of the Daggerfall team.
yeah that game is basically gonna be Daggerfall 2.0 just without the name brand attached, they have the original composer too lolz
IDK i never played the early elder scrolls games but listening to those guys talk at least they are into what they're doing and it can hopefully lead to a better game...
I'm in two minds. I was pleasantly surprised to hear its so far along, but its hard to get excited for it.
When elder scrolls 6 comes out, I’m going to play Morrowind.
Given what Bethesda thinks qualifies as a "minimum viable product" these days, I'd hate to see what they'd pass off as merely "playable."
Makes me worried cause all that development time in starfield could’ve been spent working on elder scrolls 6 which is what Todd really wanted to work on the whole time it sounds like.
“It’s great it’s in a drivable state!”
“How well does it run?”
“It just works!”
It's probably like Cyberpunk was before it's final delay
Tbh will the next game even feel like Elder Scrolls or a Bethesda game at all if it doesnt have the creation engine? But that being said are we looking for what Skyrim, Fallout and Starfield gave us in terms of mechanics and graphics etc.
Maybe switching into a new engine would give us the fresh game we want and just smush the Elder Scrolls lore into it.
Pretty bad take. I play bethesda games mainly for the modding potential, which is due to their engine. While I would absolutely love if they made a creation engine 2.0 , saying they should witch to unreal is an idiotic suggestion. It would remove their most appealing feature.
If Bethesda wants to play smart they should shelve elder scrolls 6 for 9 years til people are ready for it but Todd wants to retire lol
jokes aside, TES 6 is make or break for Bethesda. All eyes on them. I KNOW it will not be as good as Skyrim, because they just dont have the talents as they used to have. TES 6 will show us, the king is naked.