I love Mary in this! She looks just like her 1544 portait! Mary was also reported to have a deep voice which I definitely see here. They struck GOLD with this actress
@nassauguy48 Honestly, it's probably the most true to history tudor adaptation I've seen though. At least French hoods aren't used as head bands. Until we get an Alison Weir adaptation none of these shows are gonna be very accurate
The actress for Mary is astounding in this one. The character is too. I’m really happy they are showcasing her complexities rather than her usual depiction as a religious zealot.
i love this. Mary and Catherine Parr were practically the same age, despite Catherine technically being her stepmother, so this conversation just makes so much sense in my head even if it hadn't happened.
She would never have called her Catherine. She was always referred to as a Queen even after marrying Seymour. So Mary would have called her Your Grace or possible mother.
You are thinking of the other Katherine. This one is Katherine Parr, the 6th wife. The 5th wife of Henry VIII Catherine Howard was the queen that was about Mary's age.
Oh wait, I got myself mixed up. I forget how many Katherine's, Mary's, Henry's, Edward's, and Elizabeth's they were 😂. I forget Catherine Howard is younger while Katherne Parr is roughly the same age.
Mary opposed her father on many issues, religion being the primary one. She was often out of favor and was punished by not being invited to court. Ann Boleyn probably reminded Henry of Mary’s obstinacy to drive them apart.
oh she never shut up....she ALWAYS spoke her mind, didnt matter the cost for others , to me as a history student Mary I is kinda person i would have hated with all my heart, probably would have been burnt on the stake by her aswell since Im a protestant, lol :D
I love Mary's portrayal here, they show that she was a woman who had to see a lot through her whole life and even though she made the wrong decisions she loved her country and did everything in her power to protect it as she thought she had to.
Romola is amazing here, what a great portrait of Mary's emotions and disappointment with Catherine! And her exit without even acknowledging Thomas was so boss! Thanks for posting Lili!
Mary: “And now you seem to be governed by something else” Catherine: “It’s called a heart Mary” Mary (in her head): that’s not what I was thinking but sure let’s go with that
It's ironic then that Mary would later be so taken with her cousin husband that she would get herself hysterically pregnant to have a child for him even tho he didn't really like her as much as she did him
@@KoiYakultGreenTea I do wonder how much of her hysterical pregnancy was due to her love for her husband and how much was her need for an heir. It was the only way to secure her rule and ensure England remained a Catholic country. That's a lot of pressure to put on someone.
Romola Garai is overqualified for that show. The dialogue is quite cheesy but she somehow managed to deliver them with such an elegance and grace. She is so good that she makes others look like teenage drama stars. You never have any problem to believe she is a royal.
Genuinely the best portrayal of Mary I've ever seen! Exactly how I imagined she was. A woman who was shaped by the events around her and learned to play the game and won the game.
Even though there is not everything historically correct in this series, I enjoy watching it very much. The dialogues are very good and the actresses (especially the ones portraying Mary and Elisabeth) are excellent.
@@annstillwell730 her health was never really good which made her suffer throughout her life but she was always very strong and badass…maybe too much at times
Well, she was the granddaughter and daughter of brave, intelligent, most remarkable women...you can see the redoubtable Isabella and the courageous Katherine in her, and even a little bit of Elizabeth of York in her concern for her sister.
@@astrofabio68yes, but it is pretty clear that Mary fell head over heels for Philip of Spain, just as Katherine Parr fell for Thomas Seymour. Her marriage to Philip was a disaster ultimately
@@marybethdearmonbailey2254 she was forced to marry Phillip of Spain because the emperor threatened to invade. While she did fall in love she didn't want to marry him at first
@@SuperStella1111 not at the start. The holy Roman emperor threatened to invade England so she agreed to marry him. But once he arrived she did fall deeply in love
My own take on Catherine Parr is that she was emotionally and to some extent sexually frustrated as a result of being married off three times to much older men as well as her fiery evangelical Protestant faith. When she finally married for love, it could not have been a more wrong choice in the form of Thomas Seymour. Her moral and orderly life took a major downturn when she started participating in the crazy high jinks between him and Elizabeth. Mary had been through much more in her life, yet she always maintained her moral stance.
@@kitsiewr Mary didn't marry for love (monarchs really couldn't do that during that era) but for politics, she had never even met Felipe until he arrived in England to marry her. She genuinely believed that Felipe, as a powerful King of his own realms, would help her to restore Catholicism while putting down any revolts. But her problem was that he was mostly too busy on the continent dealing with his own royal duties to get her pregnant. As for her being "unloved", those at Court who knew her from childhood and respected her mother clearly cared about her.
I disagree with your assessment of Catherine Parr, her first husband was just 4 years older than her. She did have overbearing in-laws to deal with at the start of that marriage, but the couple lived happily after they moved to a separate house. But she never got pregnant even once in spite of marrying him at age 17, and her first husband died in less than 4 years. The next two were older widowers who already had children. She never got pregnant even once during her second marriage either, and IDK why Henry VIII chose her considering his obsession with having sons.
@@cg8397 that's a good question, I don't think I've seen records or remarks about _why_ Henry VIII married her, when it's usually quite clear with all his previous wives. Curious! There's probably nothing shocking or startling to his reasons, but your comment made me realize it's never been a point of discussion in the same way as his previous wives. I guess she's more notable as being the final wife.
I am glad to see Mary played as she truly was a far more humane woman. But this side of her character can be attibuted to her wonderful mother , the incomparable Queen Katherine of Aragon.
Thank you for giving us a look at this time period on Elizabeth I’d life. I’ve always wanted to see how this very scary episode in her adolescence effected the relationships between her siblings, her sister in particular, and her step mother. I always wondered the role Parr would’ve continued to play in their lives if she had lived to see old age.
Now this seen I can absolutely see happened. And I like that they seem to be making Mary a three dimensional character not this mindless servant of the Catholic Church as was the case in previous adaptations. You kind of see this contradictory nature she has and how it culminates later when she’s on the throne.
No, Mary was just politely ignored. She married a widower who was 10 years younger and already had a son, there were really no benefits for Felipe. Catherine's husband Thomas is evil, being the King's uncle is sufficient power but he's still not satisfied and actively tries to groom a teenage orphan while his wife is pregnant.
@@cg8397 Well there was a not-zero percent chance of siring a Spanish Catholic heir to England. But yeah king Felipe probably should've married some Portuguese.
Mary hatred for Ann Boleyn and rally who could blame her? Catherine Parr was instrumental in reconciling Henry with his daughters and they appreciated her for that.
Right!? I actually didn't care much of the actor who played Elizabeth. But Romola Garai was brilliant in this. She's brilliant in every period piece I've seen her in.
The motherly version of Mary is coming out. People seem to forget how much Mary was a mother to both Elizabeth and Edward. She must have felt responsibility for her, but she can’t really do anything because Elizabeth is officially under Catherine’s charge. The new wave Tudor fans can be a little out of touch with reality sometimes and have no room for nuance. For instance, I saw on Tiktok that some people thought Mary’s reaction to the grooming scandal was to laugh at Elizabeth, which she never EVER would have done. Yes, it’s true that Elizabeth to some extent was seen as an adult, but not to Mary. Just because their relationship was sometimes bad doesn’t mean she wanted her sister to go through something traumatic. So I’m glad to see in this show she’s bothered by it, as I’m sure she was in real life, although I know this exact conversation never happened.
Catherine Parr frustrates me. She managed to survive marriage to Henry, but made such a spectacular fuckup right after. She was obviously intelligent, but what was she thinking during that last marriage?
She was in love with Seymour even before she married Henry. All her past husbands had been old men that she needed to take care of. Seymour was younger than the first 3 and she was in love. Doesn’t excuse her actions one bit though
Mary glimpses Tommy Seymour , gives her step-mother, the Dowager Queen a disparaging glance, weighs anchor and proudly sails away without acknowledging his existence.
@@lepakshijaideep222 same here. I love all things Elizabeth but in this case I only cared about the show because of Mary. I read online somewhere that despite the shows poor showing, that the one highlight of the show was Mary Tudor and Showtime is considering starting a new series that picks up right as Mary is about to ascend the throne. That would be awesome as long as the keep the same actress for Mary.
I need to watch this whole series. I wish it was still on Starz. It definitely was worthy of getting renewed for two season. I'm searching for it as I want to buy it! Also thank you for turning me on to Maximilian - Im buying that one asap!
The Seymours played the power game, and lost, badly. Catherine Parr died in September 1548, from complications in childbirth. She was 36. Thomas Seymour was arrested and executed for a purported attack on the young Edward VI; his lands were forfeited to the Crown. Penniless, Catherine Parr's little daughter, Mary Seymour, was taken in by Parr's close friend the Duchess of Suffolk. The girl disappears from history; she was the subject of much speculation as to what happened to her. The Seymours were pretty much through as power brokers with English royalty. Checkmate.
Not exactly for marrying in general but of who she married. It is just so unfortunate that Catherine couldn't see how awful Thomas Seymour was in time.
I wonder if Elizabeth in later years wondered much about her baby stepsister Mary Seymour, and what happened to her. Maybe experts can weigh in. She probably never even laid eyes on her. She certainly could have pursued the matter had she wished to do so. But there were many other matters occupying her time.
For all it's faults, this show does a pretty good job of depicting the princesses Elizabeth and Mary during the short but tumultuous reign of their brother. Bot of them experienced grave dangers to their stations and , in different ways, their very lives (Seymour's plot to marry Elizabeth and Charles V's dicey plan to spirit Mary out of the kingdom if she were to be forced to become a Protestant, something she could have been executed for refusing at the time). Both Mary and Elizabeth make mistakes and, at points, let their passions rule them, but they are both, especially Mary in the show (and likely in real life , as she would never have been able to rally her troops in East Anglia if she didn't have thousands of supporters in high places both fanatically loyal to her and resourceful enough to know how to gather militias together), are exceptionally smart, voracious readers of political and religious philosophy, and possessed of a cutting wit, which is a historically verified aspect of their personalities. I'm sure Elizabeth got hers from Anne Boleyn and Mary from Katherine of Aragon, as their father never seemed to be able to take a joke. It's so ironic that for everything Henry VIII did to secure a male successor, the most remarkable of his three legitimate children, and the two real pioneers, were his discarded, emotionally abused daughters, Mary and Elizabeth .
Mary is absolutely right in this scene. Also Catherine really wants to be with that creep after knowing what he’s done?! What the hell is wrong with her?!
She entrusted her to her friend, the Duchess of Suffolk. Mary disappears from history. I like to think that she made it to Europe, or even the New World, and lived a happy life, but, of course, there is no evidence to support this. More likely that she succumbed to disease, or an accident, or something.
This is the most beautiful Bloody Mary I've ever seen. I think the costuming department really did her justice. Pretty much most of her portraits portrayed her as some plain, sallow looking prude dressed in plain colors of ill fitting black and white; but this one has prudishness but with great structure and beauty, youthful and virginal, everything fits perfectly that the 2 solid, supposedly plain colors made her stand out like a solid Chanel but in medieval times. I have to say even her fashion surpassed Elizabeth.
They keep using the old Mary' s portraits and keep giving her ( incorrectly) dark hair and eyes. She had red blond hair - like both her parents and light eyes - like both her parents. She met the beauty standard of being very pale.
Mary correctly predicted that marrying Thomas Seymour was a bad mistake for Catherine Parr. He cheated on her, even with Elizabeth, and then she died after giving birth to his child (who also died soon afterward).
@@nassauguy48 she was catholic already. Cleves was catholic when she was growing up and did not join the other protestant Germany dukedoms. Even tho Henry broke from the catholic church his church was basically catholic in its ideology, it was not like they show in things that he goes directly to being protestant, if so, he wouldn't have threatened Katherine parr with a beheading. He didn't like the Lutheran text she and her ladies read. Edward's was very protestant bc his uncle were very protestant and were in charge of his household growing up. Anne went to protestantism and back, like many did during that time. Mary did live with Katherine parr at Chelsea for awhile and Katherine did make great gestures towards and to bring all 3 children and their father back together and closer. But I don't know why she left Chelsea, it's always made to be bc of their religious divide. But I don't know
Henry had a close relationship with Anne of Kleves after the annulment of their marriage. He always referred to her as his sister. She was the smartest queen of them all.
Anne knew how to play the game. She liked England, and the English liked her. She was content to live out her years there, well-supported by Henry VIII, who remained her friend. Catherine Parr knew how to play the court game, too.
I read somewhere that Catherine Parr was Catherine of Aragon (Mary’s mother)’s namesake and Goddaughter. Also that Mary and Catherine were childhood friends. I wonder if that’s true...
Not exactly, Catherine didn't meet Mary until they were young adults. However, Mary did invite Catherine to be a part of the household as any goddaughter of Catalina de Aragon was good enough. They were very similar in age and Catherine was just a few years older than Mary.
Daphne Slater is terrific as Mary Tudor in "Elizabeth R"; as portrayed, she was certainly one of the most miserable, unhappy monarchs in history. Slater's portrayal is complex; she is not merely a simplistic, cruel tyrant. Circumstances were beyond her control. Her husband lived far away, and had no intention of cohabiting with her, at least not in England. Cruelly, she was unable to bear children. Finally, as a devout Catholic, she saw an increasingly-Protestant England slipping away from her, despite her efforts to prevent it.
Mary was appalled by Katherine P aar's relationship with Thomas Seymour. She thought him a scoundrel. She was upset because Katherine hadn't, in her opinion,had not observed a suitable mourning period for the king.
I hate to say it but this series killed the love I once had for Catherine Parr. I now despise her for what she allowed to happen to young Elizabeth. Grrr her stepdaughter was abused by her husband and she knew about it. There was no excuse for her (Catherine) to be so blind-sided by Thomas Seymour. She should have been around him long enough to know what he was like prior to her marrying him. It's not like she was some innocent girl. She'd been married three times already. She was a stupid woman blinded by love at this point in her life. Perhaps if she had survived childbirth Catherine would have woken up, left Seymour and apologized to Elizabeth for not protecting her better. As she should have done. Wishful thinking I know.
I don't know if the shrewd, wise Catherine would have risked speaking to Mary Tudor like this. The intensely devout Catholic Mary was not tolerant of heretics, and Parr was a best-selling Protestant author who had enemies in an England still under Catholic influence. Catherine's stepson Edward VI, who had acceded to the throne at the age of nine in January 1547, was young and sickly, and Mary was next in line to succeed him. Family ties, consanguineal and affinial, did not save necks in Tudor England.
Well Catherine didn't speak like this to Mary in real life. They were much closer despite religious differences. Also this series protrayed Catherine very negatively throughout
@@Shane-Flanagan Well, they were stepmother and stepdaughter, after all. But again, family ties at the time were not guaranteed to save you from the block (or the heretic's fire). It must have been a pervasive atmosphere of fear amongst courtiers. Henry VIII had had two wives executed; most historians agree that the charges against Anne Boleyn were pretty ridiculous. Even Thomas More, the most brilliant legal mind in England, couldn't save himself from Henry's disfavor. Fearful times in Tudor England.
@@steelers6titles Yep Tudor times are endlessly fascinating to look at but you wouldn't want to live in those turbulent times. The Court was a dangerous place, a pit of snakes. The closer you were to the reigning monarch, the more uncertain and precarious your position and fate was.
@@Shane-Flanagan The heads of the great families involved--the Boleyns, the Howards, and the Seymours--knew the danger of the game they were playing. But the young, attractive female members, like Catherine Howard, were pawns and victims.
@@Shane-Flanagan I think, if I were a nobleman at the time, I would have got out of England with my family, for good. The Netherlands, perhaps, or somewhere else on the Continent more tolerant, and less tyrannical. Later, perhaps, the New World. Many did exactly that.
Mary Tudor and Catherine Parr would never have been this familiar or direct with each other. They would have been polite in person and saved any criticisms for private moments with trusted confidantes. These fake historical dramas are becoming unwatchable. You can't just conflate 500 years ago with modern times. I understand taking some liberties, but this is ridiculous.
Mary was next in line for the throne; her half-brother Edward VI was young and sickly. (Jane Grey had her supporters in her brief bid for power.) Catherine was a popular Protestant religious author; Mary an intense Catholic determined to stamp out heresy in England. I don't think Catherine would have been foolish enough to take her on directly. It might well have meant her head. (Catherine died in 1548, before Mary eventually acceded to the throne following the death of her half-brother in 1553.) Mary had over 300 of her subjects executed. There is no reason why Catherine would not have been among them, had she lived.
I agree, unless Elizabeth had immediately cried “molestation” to her sister when the grooming began, in which case I do think Mary would have helped her and been very angry. But in that case it’s very likely the couple would have both been arrested, so that’s an entirely different can of worms. Women didn’t speak their mind to each other like now, unless they were very close. The Elizabeth and Mary scenes were they say negative things are a bit more believable because they were close, but Mary and Catherine weren’t all that close. She was closer with Anne of Cleves.
I wonder what would have happened to Catherine Parr had she lived into the reign of Mary. They were polar opposites in terms of religion. Would Catherine have supported Lady Jane Grey? After all, Jane had lived at Catherine and Thomas' residence, and the two women were very close. Perhaps Catherine and Thomas, had they been alive, could have dissuaded the Greys from risking the life of their daughter by joining up with the Dudleys. Would Catherine have been persecuted during the reign of Mary? (Probably not, as Mary put up with the rest of the Grey family even after Jane and her father had been executed).
Katherine Parr’s husband was thought to have acted inappropriately with Elizabeth who was living with them. Some think he sexually assaulted her. Katherine Parr was supposed to be looking after the teenage Elizabeth but is thought to have turned a blind eye to her husband’s behaviour.
Well she was ot as kind in real life as in The Tudors. She was an accomplice in Thomas Seyour's mistreat of Eizabeth. There is a known incident when Catherine held down Elizabet while Thomas cut her dress...
Even Elizabeth herself had to be very careful with her older half-sister, to avoid being offed as a heretic. Elizabeth R depicts the future Queen masterfully managing to keep one step ahead of Mary, to the point of leading her to think that she was truly desirous of returning to the true faith. Even so, she was arrested and sent to the Tower in 1554. Mary is depicted as one of history's most miserable rulers--childless, and pining over an absent husband, Philip II of Spain. Saddest of all for her was the knowledge that, despite her vigorous efforts to prevent it, England was slowly, but surely, becoming Protestant for good.
Phillip had the greatest empire on earth to rule, she married Mary because desire of his father the emperor nothing more...he not hated Mary, but certainly he not love her, is that a crime? Were politics movements in that ages. and Mary were always associated to the black legend so for that reason is always depicted like a crazy fanatic woman...what about the thousand of catholic irish who "Gloriana" kill of hunger in Ireland just for being catholic? or the 8000 witches burned in Germany in a few months without trial, or the 25 thousands huguenots killed by the french king in only one night? do you think the protestant haven't inquisition also? Do you think the inquisition is an spanish invention? No, existed since centuries before, who burned Joan of Arc? The ENGLISH INQUISITION! so stop putting all the bad adjectives and nicknames to a woman who rule like any other of her time...period...and by the way in 400 years of existence the Spanish inquisition only executed 2400 all with trials and lawyers, read about the black legend, the best author are British talking about
It was Protestants who branded Mary with the tired "Bloody Mary" stereotype. Unfortunately it stuck through the centuries and the majority fail to look past it. That is why I and many others found this portrayal refreshing. It gave a more rounded view of Mary.
If Mary had a child with either her first love Philip or her husband Philip of Spain, we would not remember her the way that we do. She is not as they say. I would say she was a zealot and put a lot of people to death necessarily, but she was not much worse than any other monarch at the time. Protestants overblow how many people she killed, from the way people talk about her you would think it was 10s of thousands. The image only started because Elizabeth didn’t shut it down and she distanced herself from the ways in which she was similar to Mary, instead branding herself as a man in a woman’s body that was putting her country first. Mary was barren, she was virginal. Mary was ruled by religion, she was open minded. Etc etc.
What is happening? Catherine Parr and Lady Mary (at that time) had a really good relationship, they weren’t advisories at all. In fact Catherine Parr was instrumental in getting Mary & Elizabeth back to court.
Henry, in general, seems to have treated her well. However, he agreed to sign her arrest warrant when she was accused of heresy by her enemies at court. Henry forgave her when she begged his forgiveness for not being a subservient wife, having argues with him about Scripture. However, he did not cancel the arrest warrant and when the King and Katherine were sitting in the garden, a cadre of guards came to arrest her. Henry blew up at the officials and literally beat one over the head calling them fools. Catherine was much shaken. I think the King wanted Katherine to be afraid of him.
Well this is a highly fictionalized series. Catherine was portrayed very negatively throughout. We know Catherine and Mary had a closer relationship despite religious differences. Also Anne Stanhope the Duchess of Somerset who we unfortunately didn't see in the series was trying to edge Catherine out. She wanted to be the most important lady in the Court and the land as wife of Edward Seymour
@@jjs1300000 He's groomed Elizabeth, right? But he did that after he and Catherine married and Elizabeth lived with them, so how can Catherine know about this before they're married? Or maybe Thomas already had other bad reputation before?
@@keizelharf5393 He did. People knew right off the bat that he had married Catherine Parr for his own ambitions (because she had been married to Henry III and she was loaded as the king's widow). She jumped up and married him because she loved him and he basically played her by going after Elizabeth.
@@jjs1300000 Now that...I didn't know. I've read that he was considered to be quite handsome for the men of that time and that he has a reputation of being fresh with the ladies. But I'm really not surprised, especially after he went after Elizabeth. Ugh. Just triflin'.
"God's blood" and "God's wounds" ("zounds") were very powerful oaths; I believe Elizabeth herself was fond of the former. The well known F--- hadn't come along yet; it is an acronym ({"fornicating...") dating from later Puritan times. If my etymology is correct.
To correct myself, I did look up the history of the well-known acronym for "fornicating using carnal knowledge". The first recorded use dates from 1528, if I'm correct, so it wouldn't have been unknown in Tudor times. Mea culpa.
It's an unfortunate film/tv stereotype that's followed both Mary and Catherine of Aragon that Spanish must equal dark hair when both women were actually redheads.
I love Mary in this! She looks just like her 1544 portait! Mary was also reported to have a deep voice which I definitely see here. They struck GOLD with this actress
I'd watch *anything* with Romola Garai in it
While the series really took liberties with historical facts, in terms of the casting, it was definitely spot on.
@nassauguy48 Honestly, it's probably the most true to history tudor adaptation I've seen though. At least French hoods aren't used as head bands.
Until we get an Alison Weir adaptation none of these shows are gonna be very accurate
And in reality, Romola has played so many roles as stunning women. She's gorgeous in Daniel DeRonda.
Even Edward looks like the real one from his portraits
The actress for Mary is astounding in this one. The character is too. I’m really happy they are showcasing her complexities rather than her usual depiction as a religious zealot.
Romolo Garai is amazing!
You should see her in the 'Emma' miniseries from several years ago. She was great in that, too! It's my favorite 'Emma' adaptation.
Agreed 💯
Romola Garai is also wonderful in Atonement.
@@tracylynnoconnor106 Oh yeah, I totally forgot she was even in Atonement! She was also in One Day and was great in that as well.
WTH? Mary finally portrayed with strength instead of a neurotic zealot? Love it!
i love this. Mary and Catherine Parr were practically the same age, despite Catherine technically being her stepmother, so this conversation just makes so much sense in my head even if it hadn't happened.
She would never have called her Catherine. She was always referred to as a Queen even after marrying Seymour. So Mary would have called her Your Grace or possible mother.
You address a Duke and Duchess as Your Grace. Since Catherine was Dowager Queen, she would still be addressed as Your Majesty.
You are thinking of the other Katherine. This one is Katherine Parr, the 6th wife. The 5th wife of Henry VIII Catherine Howard was the queen that was about Mary's age.
Oh wait, I got myself mixed up. I forget how many Katherine's, Mary's, Henry's, Edward's, and Elizabeth's they were 😂. I forget Catherine Howard is younger while Katherne Parr is roughly the same age.
Katherine was only 4 years older than Mary 😮😊 I thought it was much more!
Once again Mary is speaking her mind openly. A very courageous Lady.
She always did :) She was the only one in that era who couldn't be bought and stood by her own convictions.
She the grand daughter of Isabella I of Castile & Ferdinand II of Aragon. She will say whatever she likes.
Mary opposed her father on many issues, religion being the primary one. She was often out of favor and was punished by not being invited to court. Ann Boleyn probably reminded Henry of Mary’s obstinacy to drive them apart.
oh she never shut up....she ALWAYS spoke her mind, didnt matter the cost for others , to me as a history student Mary I is kinda person i would have hated with all my heart, probably would have been burnt on the stake by her aswell since Im a protestant, lol :D
I love Mary's portrayal here, they show that she was a woman who had to see a lot through her whole life and even though she made the wrong decisions she loved her country and did everything in her power to protect it as she thought she had to.
Romola is amazing here, what a great portrait of Mary's emotions and disappointment with Catherine! And her exit without even acknowledging Thomas was so boss! Thanks for posting Lili!
Best exit ever!
Mary: “And now you seem to be governed by something else”
Catherine: “It’s called a heart Mary”
Mary (in her head): that’s not what I was thinking but sure let’s go with that
It's ironic then that Mary would later be so taken with her cousin husband that she would get herself hysterically pregnant to have a child for him even tho he didn't really like her as much as she did him
@@KoiYakultGreenTeai guess that d makes you go wonders 😅
Both of them let their hearts make fool of them
@mimi.france well if modes of transport are wooden ships and horsies for months on end just to see anyone non related 🤷🏻♀️
@@KoiYakultGreenTea I do wonder how much of her hysterical pregnancy was due to her love for her husband and how much was her need for an heir. It was the only way to secure her rule and ensure England remained a Catholic country. That's a lot of pressure to put on someone.
Romola Garai is overqualified for that show. The dialogue is quite cheesy but she somehow managed to deliver them with such an elegance and grace. She is so good that she makes others look like teenage drama stars. You never have any problem to believe she is a royal.
this is the best portrayal of Mary Tudor. The actress is phenomenal I love the show I hope if there is a second season they continue to do Mary right
Genuinely the best portrayal of Mary I've ever seen! Exactly how I imagined she was. A woman who was shaped by the events around her and learned to play the game and won the game.
See Daphne Slater in "Elizabeth R", opposite the late Glenda Jackson.
Even though there is not everything historically correct in this series, I enjoy watching it very much. The dialogues are very good and the actresses (especially the ones portraying Mary and Elisabeth) are excellent.
Love Mary in this series. She’s so strong and badass and it’s great to watch. Thanks for posting all these clips! 💟
Mary was badass most of her life but constant stress and pressure took their toll.
@@annstillwell730 her health was never really good which made her suffer throughout her life but she was always very strong and badass…maybe too much at times
Well, she was the granddaughter and daughter of brave, intelligent, most remarkable women...you can see the redoubtable Isabella and the courageous Katherine in her, and even a little bit of Elizabeth of York in her concern for her sister.
I need Mary's story next. This is the best actress to play Mary yet
Mary called her rightly out, but little did Mary guess she'd end up falling for the same and ending up miserable as well as Catherine Parr.
Mary was 37 when she became queen and need an heir desperately! She had no choice! She must be a husband!
@@astrofabio68yes, but it is pretty clear that Mary fell head over heels for Philip of Spain, just as Katherine Parr fell for Thomas Seymour. Her marriage to Philip was a disaster ultimately
@@marybethdearmonbailey2254 she was forced to marry Phillip of Spain because the emperor threatened to invade. While she did fall in love she didn't want to marry him at first
@@anayadegani626 she always wanted to marry Philip.
@@SuperStella1111 not at the start. The holy Roman emperor threatened to invade England so she agreed to marry him. But once he arrived she did fall deeply in love
My own take on Catherine Parr is that she was emotionally and to some extent sexually frustrated as a result of being married off three times to much older men as well as her fiery evangelical Protestant faith. When she finally married for love, it could not have been a more wrong choice in the form of Thomas Seymour. Her moral and orderly life took a major downturn when she started participating in the crazy high jinks between him and Elizabeth. Mary had been through much more in her life, yet she always maintained her moral stance.
Until she, also, chose for love - and was unloved and barren, died very unhappy.
But very good at judging.
@@kitsiewr Mary didn't marry for love (monarchs really couldn't do that during that era) but for politics, she had never even met Felipe until he arrived in England to marry her. She genuinely believed that Felipe, as a powerful King of his own realms, would help her to restore Catholicism while putting down any revolts. But her problem was that he was mostly too busy on the continent dealing with his own royal duties to get her pregnant. As for her being "unloved", those at Court who knew her from childhood and respected her mother clearly cared about her.
I disagree with your assessment of Catherine Parr, her first husband was just 4 years older than her. She did have overbearing in-laws to deal with at the start of that marriage, but the couple lived happily after they moved to a separate house. But she never got pregnant even once in spite of marrying him at age 17, and her first husband died in less than 4 years. The next two were older widowers who already had children. She never got pregnant even once during her second marriage either, and IDK why Henry VIII chose her considering his obsession with having sons.
@@cg8397 that's a good question, I don't think I've seen records or remarks about _why_ Henry VIII married her, when it's usually quite clear with all his previous wives. Curious! There's probably nothing shocking or startling to his reasons, but your comment made me realize it's never been a point of discussion in the same way as his previous wives. I guess she's more notable as being the final wife.
That’s why romantic love is foolish and a gamble.
I am glad to see Mary played as she truly was a far more humane woman.
But this side of her character can be attibuted to her wonderful mother , the incomparable Queen Katherine of Aragon.
Humane? the woman who burned Protestants alive at the stake? If that's your ideal of a humane person, you are one twisted and malformed person
Gosh, the dialogue here. Great writing 👌👌👌
Thank you for giving us a look at this time period on Elizabeth I’d life. I’ve always wanted to see how this very scary episode in her adolescence effected the relationships between her siblings, her sister in particular, and her step mother.
I always wondered the role Parr would’ve continued to play in their lives if she had lived to see old age.
Now this seen I can absolutely see happened. And I like that they seem to be making Mary a three dimensional character not this mindless servant of the Catholic Church as was the case in previous adaptations. You kind of see this contradictory nature she has and how it culminates later when she’s on the throne.
Mary and Catherine have this in common; they were both betrayed by their husbands.
No, Mary was just politely ignored. She married a widower who was 10 years younger and already had a son, there were really no benefits for Felipe. Catherine's husband Thomas is evil, being the King's uncle is sufficient power but he's still not satisfied and actively tries to groom a teenage orphan while his wife is pregnant.
@@cg8397 Agree. Philip really gains nothing from King of England.
How ironic when Mary says "And what a fool your heart has made of you." Exactly what will happen to her with Philip, she just doesn't know it yet.
@@Lily1127channel no she didn’t know that yet’
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Well there was a not-zero percent chance of siring a Spanish Catholic heir to England.
But yeah king Felipe probably should've married some Portuguese.
Casting Romola Garai as Mary was a brilliant move.
Not me watching Becoming Elizabeth clips and wanting Becoming Mary Instead lol 😂 But seriously Romola Garai is excellent in this series!
High praise to the actress who plays mary an excellent performance i look forward to seeing season 2 to see where it goes again very well done
They definitely got that animosity Mary had for her stepmother.
Romola is a perfect part of this series. Love her.
Princess Mary and Catherine Parr had a rather good, loving relationship. although i'm sure the Princess didn't approve of her marrying Seymour
Mary hatred for Ann Boleyn and rally who could blame her? Catherine Parr was instrumental in reconciling Henry with his daughters and they appreciated her for that.
Mary owns all her scenes its Just oustanding
Mary carried the show!!
Right!? I actually didn't care much of the actor who played Elizabeth. But Romola Garai was brilliant in this. She's brilliant in every period piece I've seen her in.
The motherly version of Mary is coming out. People seem to forget how much Mary was a mother to both Elizabeth and Edward. She must have felt responsibility for her, but she can’t really do anything because Elizabeth is officially under Catherine’s charge.
The new wave Tudor fans can be a little out of touch with reality sometimes and have no room for nuance. For instance, I saw on Tiktok that some people thought Mary’s reaction to the grooming scandal was to laugh at Elizabeth, which she never EVER would have done. Yes, it’s true that Elizabeth to some extent was seen as an adult, but not to Mary. Just because their relationship was sometimes bad doesn’t mean she wanted her sister to go through something traumatic. So I’m glad to see in this show she’s bothered by it, as I’m sure she was in real life, although I know this exact conversation never happened.
Mary is EPIC in this series!
Catherine Parr frustrates me. She managed to survive marriage to Henry, but made such a spectacular fuckup right after. She was obviously intelligent, but what was she thinking during that last marriage?
Love I guess
She was in love with Seymour even before she married Henry. All her past husbands had been old men that she needed to take care of. Seymour was younger than the first 3 and she was in love.
Doesn’t excuse her actions one bit though
Romola is such a fantastic actress.
I love this Mary! Too many versions overlook Mary or discount her. I wish we had another season to see her character develop.
Mary glimpses Tommy Seymour , gives her step-mother, the Dowager Queen a disparaging glance, weighs anchor and proudly sails away without acknowledging his existence.
Seems to be a thing with actresses that play Mary Tudor stealing the show. Romola stole the show here and Sarah Bolger stole it in Tudors.
Mary herself was such a strong and charismatic person. Funny how Elizabeth was actually rather boring in her younger years.
Mary was by far the best character in the entire series. Too bad there isn’t a season 2 because I really would have liked seeing more of her.
I watched the show just for her
@@lepakshijaideep222 same here. I love all things Elizabeth but in this case I only cared about the show because of Mary. I read online somewhere that despite the shows poor showing, that the one highlight of the show was Mary Tudor and Showtime is considering starting a new series that picks up right as Mary is about to ascend the throne. That would be awesome as long as the keep the same actress for Mary.
I need to watch this whole series. I wish it was still on Starz. It definitely was worthy of getting renewed for two season. I'm searching for it as I want to buy it! Also thank you for turning me on to Maximilian - Im buying that one asap!
Why was this excellent show canceled?!!!😢
Gosh what excellent acting
The actresses in this show were just phenomenal. It's such a shame they cancelled it.
The Seymours played the power game, and lost, badly. Catherine Parr died in September 1548, from complications in childbirth. She was 36. Thomas Seymour was arrested and executed for a purported attack on the young Edward VI; his lands were forfeited to the Crown. Penniless, Catherine Parr's little daughter, Mary Seymour, was taken in by Parr's close friend the Duchess of Suffolk. The girl disappears from history; she was the subject of much speculation as to what happened to her. The Seymours were pretty much through as power brokers with English royalty. Checkmate.
THOSE Seymours were. The family as a whole ended up becoming the Dukes of Somersot and the most royal branch of the English aristocracy.
It is likely that Mary Seymour did not live past two years of age.
Mary was right to call her out on her conduct. Even though Catherine was in love, she wasn’t stupid. She should have been more dignified.
Deep down she knows Mary is right
Not exactly for marrying in general but of who she married. It is just so unfortunate that Catherine couldn't see how awful Thomas Seymour was in time.
I wonder if Elizabeth in later years wondered much about her baby stepsister Mary Seymour, and what happened to her. Maybe experts can weigh in. She probably never even laid eyes on her. She certainly could have pursued the matter had she wished to do so. But there were many other matters occupying her time.
For all it's faults, this show does a pretty good job of depicting the princesses Elizabeth and Mary during the short but tumultuous reign of their brother. Bot of them experienced grave dangers to their stations and , in different ways, their very lives (Seymour's plot to marry Elizabeth and Charles V's dicey plan to spirit Mary out of the kingdom if she were to be forced to become a Protestant, something she could have been executed for refusing at the time). Both Mary and Elizabeth make mistakes and, at points, let their passions rule them, but they are both, especially Mary in the show (and likely in real life , as she would never have been able to rally her troops in East Anglia if she didn't have thousands of supporters in high places both fanatically loyal to her and resourceful enough to know how to gather militias together), are exceptionally smart, voracious readers of political and religious philosophy, and possessed of a cutting wit, which is a historically verified aspect of their personalities. I'm sure Elizabeth got hers from Anne Boleyn and Mary from Katherine of Aragon, as their father never seemed to be able to take a joke. It's so ironic that for everything Henry VIII did to secure a male successor, the most remarkable of his three legitimate children, and the two real pioneers, were his discarded, emotionally abused daughters, Mary and Elizabeth .
Mary is absolutely right in this scene. Also Catherine really wants to be with that creep after knowing what he’s done?! What the hell is wrong with her?!
She is in love. Blindly so. And it makes her do crazy things
Still she ruined herself and almost the kingdom when she married that brutish, disgusting, scheming imbecile
Mary is one of my favorite historical figures. I'm glad to see Romola do justice to her.
same
I am so glad that Mary’s image is finally being rehabilitated.
The actor who plays King Edward VI is spot on
Catherine loved Mary. She named her daughter after her.
She entrusted her to her friend, the Duchess of Suffolk. Mary disappears from history. I like to think that she made it to Europe, or even the New World, and lived a happy life, but, of course, there is no evidence to support this. More likely that she succumbed to disease, or an accident, or something.
Mary's actress is amazing
The Actress for Mary I owned her role.
This is the most beautiful Bloody Mary I've ever seen. I think the costuming department really did her justice. Pretty much most of her portraits portrayed her as some plain, sallow looking prude dressed in plain colors of ill fitting black and white; but this one has prudishness but with great structure and beauty, youthful and virginal, everything fits perfectly that the 2 solid, supposedly plain colors made her stand out like a solid Chanel but in medieval times. I have to say even her fashion surpassed Elizabeth.
They keep using the old Mary' s portraits and keep giving her ( incorrectly) dark hair and eyes. She had red blond hair - like both her parents and light eyes - like both her parents. She met the beauty standard of being very pale.
Mary correctly predicted that marrying Thomas Seymour was a bad mistake for Catherine Parr. He cheated on her, even with Elizabeth, and then she died after giving birth to his child (who also died soon afterward).
Actually, Mary was supposed to have a closer relationship with Anne of Cleves not Catherine Parr
They were almost the same age. Anne was only five months older, and she converted to Catholicism during the reign of Mary.
@@nassauguy48 she was catholic already. Cleves was catholic when she was growing up and did not join the other protestant Germany dukedoms. Even tho Henry broke from the catholic church his church was basically catholic in its ideology, it was not like they show in things that he goes directly to being protestant, if so, he wouldn't have threatened Katherine parr with a beheading. He didn't like the Lutheran text she and her ladies read. Edward's was very protestant bc his uncle were very protestant and were in charge of his household growing up. Anne went to protestantism and back, like many did during that time. Mary did live with Katherine parr at Chelsea for awhile and Katherine did make great gestures towards and to bring all 3 children and their father back together and closer. But I don't know why she left Chelsea, it's always made to be bc of their religious divide. But I don't know
exactly! and Princess Mary would have been respectful to the Queen Dowager
Henry had a close relationship with Anne of Kleves after the annulment of their marriage. He always referred to her as his sister. She was the smartest queen of them all.
Anne knew how to play the game. She liked England, and the English liked her. She was content to live out her years there, well-supported by Henry VIII, who remained her friend. Catherine Parr knew how to play the court game, too.
Mary was badass.
I agree that Mary is the most compelling of the characters and the actress exquisite in the role.
😍Thanks for the heart!
I read somewhere that Catherine Parr was Catherine of Aragon (Mary’s mother)’s namesake and Goddaughter. Also that Mary and Catherine were childhood friends. I wonder if that’s true...
Not exactly, Catherine didn't meet Mary until they were young adults. However, Mary did invite Catherine to be a part of the household as any goddaughter of Catalina de Aragon was good enough. They were very similar in age and Catherine was just a few years older than Mary.
Daphne Slater is terrific as Mary Tudor in "Elizabeth R"; as portrayed, she was certainly one of the most miserable, unhappy monarchs in history. Slater's portrayal is complex; she is not merely a simplistic, cruel tyrant. Circumstances were beyond her control. Her husband lived far away, and had no intention of cohabiting with her, at least not in England. Cruelly, she was unable to bear children. Finally, as a devout Catholic, she saw an increasingly-Protestant England slipping away from her, despite her efforts to prevent it.
finally this was address, mary went through hell, but what elizabeth went through under catherine parr watch, elizabeth was sexually traumatized,
can i use this for my evolution of catherine parr video my updated version
Yes of course
Mary was appalled by Katherine P aar's relationship with Thomas Seymour. She thought him a scoundrel. She was upset because Katherine hadn't, in her opinion,had not observed a suitable mourning period for the king.
I hate to say it but this series killed the love I once had for Catherine Parr. I now despise her for what she allowed to happen to young Elizabeth. Grrr her stepdaughter was abused by her husband and she knew about it. There was no excuse for her (Catherine) to be so blind-sided by Thomas Seymour. She should have been around him long enough to know what he was like prior to her marrying him. It's not like she was some innocent girl. She'd been married three times already. She was a stupid woman blinded by love at this point in her life. Perhaps if she had survived childbirth Catherine would have woken up, left Seymour and apologized to Elizabeth for not protecting her better. As she should have done. Wishful thinking I know.
I don't know if the shrewd, wise Catherine would have risked speaking to Mary Tudor like this. The intensely devout Catholic Mary was not tolerant of heretics, and Parr was a best-selling Protestant author who had enemies in an England still under Catholic influence. Catherine's stepson Edward VI, who had acceded to the throne at the age of nine in January 1547, was young and sickly, and Mary was next in line to succeed him. Family ties, consanguineal and affinial, did not save necks in Tudor England.
Well Catherine didn't speak like this to Mary in real life. They were much closer despite religious differences.
Also this series protrayed Catherine very negatively throughout
@@Shane-Flanagan Well, they were stepmother and stepdaughter, after all. But again, family ties at the time were not guaranteed to save you from the block (or the heretic's fire). It must have been a pervasive atmosphere of fear amongst courtiers. Henry VIII had had two wives executed; most historians agree that the charges against Anne Boleyn were pretty ridiculous. Even Thomas More, the most brilliant legal mind in England, couldn't save himself from Henry's disfavor.
Fearful times in Tudor England.
@@steelers6titles Yep Tudor times are endlessly fascinating to look at but you wouldn't want to live in those turbulent times. The Court was a dangerous place, a pit of snakes.
The closer you were to the reigning monarch, the more uncertain and precarious your position and fate was.
@@Shane-Flanagan The heads of the great families involved--the Boleyns, the Howards, and the Seymours--knew the danger of the game they were playing. But the young, attractive female members, like Catherine Howard, were pawns and victims.
@@Shane-Flanagan I think, if I were a nobleman at the time, I would have got out of England with my family, for good. The Netherlands, perhaps, or somewhere else on the Continent more tolerant, and less tyrannical. Later, perhaps, the New World. Many did exactly that.
Catherine parr was so weak as soon as Henry died
Romola Garai is briliant
Mary Tudor and Catherine Parr would never have been this familiar or direct with each other. They would have been polite in person and saved any criticisms for private moments with trusted confidantes. These fake historical dramas are becoming unwatchable. You can't just conflate 500 years ago with modern times. I understand taking some liberties, but this is ridiculous.
Mary was next in line for the throne; her half-brother Edward VI was young and sickly. (Jane Grey had her supporters in her brief bid for power.) Catherine was a popular Protestant religious author; Mary an intense Catholic determined to stamp out heresy in England. I don't think Catherine would have been foolish enough to take her on directly. It might well have meant her head. (Catherine died in 1548, before Mary eventually acceded to the throne following the death of her half-brother in 1553.) Mary had over 300 of her subjects executed. There is no reason why Catherine would not have been among them, had she lived.
This is a tv show, they want to make it entertaining otherwise common people get bored and don't watch
Yes the acting and characterization is totally modern
I agree, unless Elizabeth had immediately cried “molestation” to her sister when the grooming began, in which case I do think Mary would have helped her and been very angry. But in that case it’s very likely the couple would have both been arrested, so that’s an entirely different can of worms.
Women didn’t speak their mind to each other like now, unless they were very close. The Elizabeth and Mary scenes were they say negative things are a bit more believable because they were close, but Mary and Catherine weren’t all that close. She was closer with Anne of Cleves.
So sad they canceled the series
second season.....?
I wonder what would have happened to Catherine Parr had she lived into the reign of Mary. They were polar opposites in terms of religion. Would Catherine have supported Lady Jane Grey? After all, Jane had lived at Catherine and Thomas' residence, and the two women were very close. Perhaps Catherine and Thomas, had they been alive, could have dissuaded the Greys from risking the life of their daughter by joining up with the Dudleys. Would Catherine have been persecuted during the reign of Mary? (Probably not, as Mary put up with the rest of the Grey family even after Jane and her father had been executed).
Did they hate each other? I heard Parr named her daughter after Mary.
Jessica Raine and Romola Garai are great actors. Raine was also excellent as Jane Boleyn, Viscountess Rochford in "Wolf Hall."
The true victory was mary having a more polite husband than catherine
What are they fighting about?
Thomas Seymour’s sexual abuse of Catherine Parr’s underage step-daughter.
Katherine Parr’s husband was thought to have acted inappropriately with Elizabeth who was living with them. Some think he sexually assaulted her. Katherine Parr was supposed to be looking after the teenage Elizabeth but is thought to have turned a blind eye to her husband’s behaviour.
Why did they make Catherine Parr out to be so evil in this series? In the Tudors she was much kinder.
Well she was ot as kind in real life as in The Tudors.
She was an accomplice in Thomas Seyour's mistreat of Eizabeth. There is a known incident when Catherine held down Elizabet while Thomas cut her dress...
This show did Parr a disservice
Mary was v angry in rl that parr married thomas seymor so soon after Henry viii death
Even Elizabeth herself had to be very careful with her older half-sister, to avoid being offed as a heretic. Elizabeth R depicts the future Queen masterfully managing to keep one step ahead of Mary, to the point of leading her to think that she was truly desirous of returning to the true faith. Even so, she was arrested and sent to the Tower in 1554. Mary is depicted as one of history's most miserable rulers--childless, and pining over an absent husband, Philip II of Spain. Saddest of all for her was the knowledge that, despite her vigorous efforts to prevent it, England was slowly, but surely, becoming Protestant for good.
Phillip had the greatest empire on earth to rule, she married Mary because desire of his father the emperor nothing more...he not hated Mary, but certainly he not love her, is that a crime? Were politics movements in that ages. and Mary were always associated to the black legend so for that reason is always depicted like a crazy fanatic woman...what about the thousand of catholic irish who "Gloriana" kill of hunger in Ireland just for being catholic? or the 8000 witches burned in Germany in a few months without trial, or the 25 thousands huguenots killed by the french king in only one night? do you think the protestant haven't inquisition also? Do you think the inquisition is an spanish invention? No, existed since centuries before, who burned Joan of Arc? The ENGLISH INQUISITION! so stop putting all the bad adjectives and nicknames to a woman who rule like any other of her time...period...and by the way in 400 years of existence the Spanish inquisition only executed 2400 all with trials and lawyers, read about the black legend, the best author are British talking about
Mary has a very poor representation in history, but they were all bloodthirsty not just her. I’ve always felt bad for her
Well Prodestantism won out in England so Mary’s view in history is kinda sckewed.
It was Protestants who branded Mary with the tired "Bloody Mary" stereotype. Unfortunately it stuck through the centuries and the majority fail to look past it.
That is why I and many others found this portrayal refreshing. It gave a more rounded view of Mary.
If Mary had a child with either her first love Philip or her husband Philip of Spain, we would not remember her the way that we do. She is not as they say. I would say she was a zealot and put a lot of people to death necessarily, but she was not much worse than any other monarch at the time. Protestants overblow how many people she killed, from the way people talk about her you would think it was 10s of thousands. The image only started because Elizabeth didn’t shut it down and she distanced herself from the ways in which she was similar to Mary, instead branding herself as a man in a woman’s body that was putting her country first. Mary was barren, she was virginal. Mary was ruled by religion, she was open minded. Etc etc.
Mary always has plenty of advise for everyone else’s life…and yet she has no life of her own. How tedious. 😅
What is happening? Catherine Parr and Lady Mary (at that time) had a really good relationship, they weren’t advisories at all. In fact Catherine Parr was instrumental in getting Mary & Elizabeth back to court.
This is much later than that. It is during Edward's reign, after the incident that Thomas Seymour, Catherine's husband, abused Elizabeth.
Was Henry really that horrible to her and the other husbands she had?
Henry, in general, seems to have treated her well. However, he agreed to sign her arrest warrant when she was accused of heresy by her enemies at court. Henry forgave her when she begged his forgiveness for not being a subservient wife, having argues with him about Scripture. However, he did not cancel the arrest warrant and when the King and Katherine were sitting in the garden, a cadre of guards came to arrest her. Henry blew up at the officials and literally beat one over the head calling them fools. Catherine was much shaken. I think the King wanted Katherine to be afraid of him.
Another Game of Thrones
Princess Mary (I won't call her 'Lady Mary') would never have called the Queen Dowager 'Catherine'
Well this is a highly fictionalized series. Catherine was portrayed very negatively throughout. We know Catherine and Mary had a closer relationship despite religious differences.
Also Anne Stanhope the Duchess of Somerset who we unfortunately didn't see in the series was trying to edge Catherine out. She wanted to be the most important lady in the Court and the land as wife of Edward Seymour
What made Mary pitied Catherine?
The fact that she loved a man like Thomas.
@@jjs1300000 He's groomed Elizabeth, right? But he did that after he and Catherine married and Elizabeth lived with them, so how can Catherine know about this before they're married? Or maybe Thomas already had other bad reputation before?
@@keizelharf5393 He did. People knew right off the bat that he had married Catherine Parr for his own ambitions (because she had been married to Henry III and she was loaded as the king's widow). She jumped up and married him because she loved him and he basically played her by going after Elizabeth.
@@robinson4979 Yes and it was known by other nobles that he abused girls.
@@jjs1300000 Now that...I didn't know. I've read that he was considered to be quite handsome for the men of that time and that he has a reputation of being fresh with the ladies. But I'm really not surprised, especially after he went after Elizabeth. Ugh. Just triflin'.
Catherine was giving such Pick Me vibes ugh
I hate the vocabulary they use in this show. Usually in historical shows, they have really creative vocabulary,but that’s the only complaint I have.
"God's blood" and "God's wounds" ("zounds") were very powerful oaths; I believe Elizabeth herself was fond of the former. The well known F--- hadn't come along yet; it is an acronym ({"fornicating...") dating from later Puritan times. If my etymology is correct.
To correct myself, I did look up the history of the well-known acronym for "fornicating using carnal knowledge". The first recorded use dates from 1528, if I'm correct, so it wouldn't have been unknown in Tudor times. Mea culpa.
The script is pathetic.
Why is Mary a ginger? Shouldn’t she be brunette?
It is her correct hair color. Both her parents were redheads btw.
It's an unfortunate film/tv stereotype that's followed both Mary and Catherine of Aragon that Spanish must equal dark hair when both women were actually redheads.
@@twelfthlady847 Unfortunately, this. Especially since a lot of the Spanish royals then were blue-eyed and light-haired.
@@kenjinpiniteu Hollywood is never good for accuracy, sadly.
Her Father had reddish blonde hair. Her Mother had reddish blonde hair.
Horrible acting. Modern crap.
The script is one thing but how is the acting horrible?