I flat out rejected a job that used this kind of sotware. No regrets, better opportunities came up later. The more you bend, the more they will ask you to (politely) bend further.
they ask politely the first couple of easily bendable employees, and then after that they ram it down the throat of the others with the excuse that other employees are happy with it. It's not just spyware like that, it's everything downright abusive like changing the T&C of your job, shift patterns, etc.
Especially considering since cybersecurity workers aren't allowed the time to research and look around a company's network, and most likely quit these jobs to go to another company (because the US is short 4 million skilled workers)... yeah. It's a matter of when it will happen.
I'm guessing it will be part of your contract that you agree to be monitored in any form the employer decides. I'm not defending monitoring btw just that employers will cover that
also: remove / turn off attached audio devices, wi-fi, ethernet cable and turn off the computer/laptop when not in use. my job gives me a laptop I use for work, and i used to make it sleep when I am not working. when it started turning on suddenly at odd times, i was not having any of it. these days, when it's not in use, it's powered down.
I used aluminium tape on mine. When I told my boss before going into a meeting he was not fussed at all I think he would do the same if he could get away with it.
This is one of the most dehumanizing enslaving behaviors by employers in the modern world. The idea that company OWNS employee during their workhours is nuts by itself, but this is something next level, something close to ancient slavery. It doesn't match the definition of violating human rights on paper, but those definitions were established in a different era where computers and remote work didn't exist. In its core this is a MAJOR violation of human rights.
I am pretty sure in a company that i worked for they had a special purposes guy of special trust that was watching and hearing for management, a fellow coworker in disguise. He slept over his tongue. They watch and hear you also after hours! When you finish unplug it, put it into the box and place in a closet. Still the problem is you are sharing your private network with that company crap and should change access password everyday after finishing the cotton gripping.
@@Krlowanigu-mg6eg What you've described here is a well know practice in Russian PRISONS. Those prisoners who secretly cooperate with prison administration are called "Stuckach", their goal is to gather information from other prisoners in a friendly manner.
I agree. It's capitalism getting to another level. In the future, this is going to be discussed as a real violation, meanwhile we are the guinea pigs 🤡
Kinda cheap price actually for a company. I'd guess the employer is not the only one with exclusive access to the cam, mic and the rest, i bet company that makes this software is double-dipping in the employee personal data.
In 2021, I got outsourced as a developer for a major bank. They gave me a laptop that had pretty mediocre specs, and there was a Terms and Conditions everytime I open it reminding me they're tracking me. To the point of asking my wife to move the cursor every 5 minutes everytime I wanted to use the bathroom or go shopping. I couldn't download anything (not even libraries for the project) and anything I needed had to be asked to IT, who took days to solve the simplest task via remote. I once asked for a RAM upgrade as the 4GB of RAM I used weren't enough (they denied the request, as they made internal tests to my pc via remote and didn't think it was necessary). And that's not counting the resources the laptop used for tracking me. Eventually I quit, as it was such a stressful environment between meetings, 7-8 levels of management and subpar coding equipment. I hoped that by now those kinds of practices would go down...
If you need software like this, that tells me a few things: 1) your leadership team is weak, 2) which made your recruiting team bad, 3) which makes you treat existing employees like crap to make up for all the other inefficiencies, and 4) your business probably will never go anywhere assuming it even survives for the next few years.
I would get fired by these stalkers because I don't type in the correct amount of keystrokes fast enough so they'll assume I'm not working when I'm actually researching to solve another problem. That's great! I can spend my time looking for employers who will actually trust me to do the job I want to do.
But while you wait for that second job, maybe invest some time or money in a mouse jiggler. Then see how long you can "work" two jobs without this one noticing.
As someone who has to write a lot of repetitive words/phrases/templates, etc. I use Espanso so I can write :dd and get my name and the current date, or :ltime to type out the log message about what I was doing for that project, for example. Point being, they'd prob complain about how I'm typing way less than other employees lmaoo
@@kagayakuangel5828 "or build a business. We need more businesses. Best way to combat inflation." We've had several months of zero inflation and even some negative inflation recently. We don't have an inflation problem right now. We have a price gouging problem.
I am a VP in tech. I really don't give two shits about what my team is doing during the day as long as things are getting done on time. I don't have the time or the desire to spy on their desktop.
Exactly! You'll know if someone isn't doing their job. You don't need software to do that for you. People can form "busy" and get NOTHING done. How are these executives this gullible?
The reason these software are so popular is specifically because people were not doing their work. I have encountered this myself when several people were fired from where I work for swearing up and down that a project they were assigned to was being worked on but when that due date came up suddenly they had nothing. No finished project not even any proof of work.
@@CommanderRiker0 In some places it's per instance. Plus in a two party consent situation consent can be revoked at any time. And termination in that case will be retaliation.
@@ecchioni I think you misread my statement. To be employed you will be giving consent, that will likely be part of your contract. You can't just revoke your consent while in a contract with another party. You would have to cancel your employment.
@@CommanderRiker0it goes beyond that. It shouldn’t be legal in the first place. Obviously a company can monitor their work equipment. But monitoring you, storing data on you like pics, videos, work habits, where you walk, packaging it and possibly selling it without your knowledge, that should be illegal. So while you may give consent, it’s like giving consent to something illegal like to be a human centipede, it shouldn’t be legal in the first place.
I know managers who would love this sort of software. It's the type who are insecure about their performance metrics and rather than tackle and fix the root cause issues, create more layers of admin to cover it up.
the spying apps can probably detect that... you would have to fork over the dough for a completely new PC. just thought you should know.I would look at virtual machine obfuscation techniques and how they are found to figure out a temporary bypass if you don't have said dough though. Hope you have a great day & Safe Travels!
I find it hilarious that a software company that will fire you if you don't type anything or move your mouse while programming, tells me that the company knows nothing about programming 😅
I'm learning python and C++ right now and they'd fire me in a heartbeat. So far most I've programmed is an atm interface and functions from withdrawals deposits ect. I still haven't memorized the entire language so I refer to a cheat sheet for certain characters and their functions
@@xenosayain1506 Exactly! Most of programming requires abstract thinking. Conceptualization, visual calculus and pattern building. Which is all done in your head before programming anything. It needs to be visualized and simulated in your mind or on paper. Humans aren’t supposed to memorize massive amounts of information unless it is used on a daily basis. Having the syntax written down somewhere will help to give your mind the space necessary to build and create.
About 5 or 6 years ago, while broke and unemployed, a very interesting position was posted on LinkedIn in my city …totally my wheelhouse. When I looked into the company, I realized they made employee tracking software….. I decided without hesitation that I was not going to be part of anything like that!
Sadly the tech field is filled with amoral demons willing to sell out their peers for a paycheck by making software like this for corporations and governments to make your life worse.
I am so glad to work in IT, where I'm the one who sets up and locks down the computers, where I can say with CERTAINTY that there's none of that crap at my company.
@@shishsquared Until you aren't the one that is setting up the computers. I've been where you are in 3 very large corporations that will remain nameless. I've been part of large scale automation projects, one in particular tasked with the virtualisation/cloudification of partnering/subsidiary companies that operated on legacy on-prem setups. I myself have been automated out of those three roles.... not to mention a number of offshored roles resulting in my eventual redundancy just prior to Covid. After a 20 career in "IT".... I'm finally alienated from that world. A piece of advice..... if you think you are safe because you are on top of the castle, make sure there isn't a bigger castle.
There is no line. Any monitoring software is also spyware. The only distinction is whether you personally install it intentionally onto your own machine, or if its installed by someone else.
"We have decided to give you the job. You come across as extremely professional, intelligent, a hard worker & someone we can trust in our company". *Installs tracking software on your work laptop*
"We should be able to do anything we want on equipment that does not belong to us" - you Also, no, before you call be a BoOtLiCkEr I have actually advocated against such software everywhere I've worked, but you need to understand that it's the company equipment and they have a right to install whatever management software they please. You consent to it when you sign that hiring paperwork.
@@antikommunistischaktion No, wrong. If you cannot fulfill your profession, because you need to be worried that idiots, that do not understand your job, get the wrong idea, or the machine is not usable, then the provided tool is of no usage and I call this a violation of contract. That is the first one. Secondly, you have to fulfill state law. If I as an employer put an electric shock device under the keyboard I, according to your logic, would just mean business with the hardware I own. Which fulfills the subject of torture and abuse. This might be an exaggeration, but it shows the stupidity of your argument.
I do a manual job outdoors alone but do see coworkers occasionally . We have an office who have given some people a mobile phone so they can monitor their whereabouts via computer in case they are slacking or overspending time on breaks. But the job has its peaks and troughs of busy and quiet times during the day so you'd have to keep walking or driving aimlessly (wasting fuel) to avoid being in one spot for too long and being questioned.
From the company's perspective - first question: Are these tracking tools hackable? Can you hack them and take all the data, videos and pictures of all the employees. If yes, the company is playing with fire. Not even fire, napalm.
This is the sorta crap that makes me never wanna work for anyone again....... I think I'd be happier on the street than living under a literal microscope.
I have worked with companies that wanted to install spyware like this on MY pc. I told them if it was so important they can ship me a laptop with the software installed. They never do and will make it sound like you are being the bad guy for not letting them install invasive software on your private property. I flat refuse. If it cost me a contract, so be it.
Never ever do anything personal on a work computer. At home or otherwise. Unless you want your boss having all of your passwords. Photos of the webpages you visit ect. I worked for IT and they forced us to install Spector 360. And kept it a secret. Told employees it was fine to do personal stuff on their breaks. All the while recording everything they did.
If I find out my company is spying on me, the lawsuit will make the news. The home is where you have an expectation of privacy. Its a violation of rights, and yes, people can violate rights just as much as the government.
I agree audio and video is an issue, but if you're on a work computer, whatever you do on it is their business. Good luck with that lawsuit. Plus, if you don't like it, go back to the office. Easy.
And this is why I have a webcam cover and have disabled the built in mic with both an intentionally busted device driver and several registry edits to prevent automatic driver re-installation. I still check it occasionally because I'm paranoid lol. My headset is wireless and I only turn it on when I use it.
I am pretty sure in a company that i worked for they had a special purposes guy of special trust that was watching and hearing for management, a fellow coworker in disguise. He slept over his tongue. They watch and hear you also after hours! When you finish unplug it, put it into the box and place in a closet. Still the problem is you are sharing your private network with that company crap and should change access password everyday after finishing the cotton gripping.
The most dystopian part of this is that companies have been doing stuff like this for a while and we’re only finding out now. JP Morgan Wadu and these are absolutely disturbing.
I have a feeling that companies are going to start (if they haven't already) using more and more of these systems, AND they will begin to make it very obvious and frustrating for the employees as a way to force remote workers back into the office.
They're fully ingrained with the boomer mentality. Funny thing, the majority of managers don't even know how to do the job they're managing. So, it is extra stupid. @@swordmaster305
@@TheMetalValkyrie Sure, but if I'm going to choose between being "secretly" audio and video recorded at home or in the office, I might choose in the office.
"You never know when a top performer might suprise with actual time spent". The reason why top performer is in top is because often his/her actions are well-thought. So their two hours top-notch work may be result of 6 hours of thinking xD
This is exactly it. They monitor you moving your cursor, but how do they monitor your thinking? Half of my job is thinking, doing is only about 30%. This kind of approach to performance measurement is so stupid!
It's a must now that the only way to combat this is when you get the job offer, you look over the fine print, find the parts that allow them to do this, scratch it out on printed paper, send that in, and if they don't agree with your terms then that's fine, find another company who will leave everyone tf alone.
Yea tear it or tell them to reprint the contract. If they must spy, make sure they download malwarrs on their own devices and gift them to employees instead
@@jeffweingrad4658 Oh on the contrary. Legally you're allowed to send this by mail which is what I was referring to actually and you can get it notorized if you want to get a witness involved and send it certified mail with a return receipt so you know they in fact got it AND you can stipulate that the contract will come into effect in X number number of days if no response is given. People think it's a one-way street but in reality, it's commerce and you are doing business with one another after all.
@@jeffweingrad4658 for some reason my comment was either removed or deleted but I'll say it again just in case the UA-cam algorithm automatically did it or strangely enough Josh which I doubt. You can actually mail that in and that's what I was referring to.
If it can be installed silently by clicking on a link, it just proves one of the top information security rules: DON'T CLICK ON RANDOM LINKS/ATTACHMENTS. Prevent that shit from being installed in the first place.
Had a conversation with a hiring manager about remote work (not an interview). The manager advised me ask for a company computer. If they cannot provide one, I was advised to not install nor give remote access to their IT team to my personal computer. In general, nowadays is best to avoid remote work that has no objective productivity metrics.
The monitoring stuff with metrics scares me. They seem to expect everyone to work at a uniform speed. I have pretty severe adhd. So it's hard to get focused. But once I do, I can be extremely focused. So there are some days I barely do any work, but others where I do a huge amount of work. When you average it out, I've been a lot more productive than my coworkers. But I'm always terrified they'll see that I did almost nothing one day and fire me for being a bad worker.
In other words, some employers think the actual amount of work you do is way less important, than you just looking really busy and wasting time. We used to call something like this malware/virus, because that's literally what it is. What do you do, when it's a slow day at work? Does the system recognize that as "not working"? What are you supposed to do if your employer doesn't give you enough work that day? I refuse to believe it is even remotely (pun not intended) legal anywhere in the world for your employer to willingly and knowingly install malware on your private system without your consent or even knowledge. Does it get turned off after work hours? How can you be sure? Passwod safety? What's that? I could go on for hours with all the issues here. This is pure evil. It's the wet dream of complete psychopaths who read 1984 and thought it was a great idea.
@@maxmustermann194 my office did try getting us to put their monitoring on our personal computers when they sent us home during Covid. I said nah. So they let me bring my work comp home.
Imagine if you have kids. And they start filming your children, and the person monitoring is a perv. Listening in when you're off duty or filming you off duty. This is sick!
My initial reaction is that this is against the law, but given it's company property i'm guessing there's some workaround crap... regardless, i'd rather be broke. No way am i giving up all of my privacy for a fkin slave job. That literally IS modern-day version of slavery...
Got laid off 4 years ago. I can't believe how stupid i was and not seeing how the world works. I was actually thinking that it was a dream job. Thanks for the video. Exposing these people
Watching this while working from home. No question they're doing this to me. I see my cam come on every now and then for a moment. I do worry that with the audio monitoring they'll hear Jeff Berwick's latest weekly monologue in the background.
I know getting another job is not easy but I wouldn't work that way. Like, I already have a stalker!! Now also whoever is watching from office? Just crazy.
Antivirus, not installing crap sent to you by email, making a VM, not using Windows, listening to your email client when it tells you you're about to download a dangerous file to your computer.
@@SafetyKittendon’t use company devices when doing personal things. Pretty simple. This also works the other way around. Don’t use your personal phone for work. If they ask you to, get a new job.
@@TacticsTechniquesandProcedures if I need to use a work device to access the NHS or anything direly, I'm going to do it. There's no "keep your personal life on personal property" batman type rule BS, I'm going to do it. Just is how it is.
imagine getting fired and your company leaks your webcam videos in the worst moments of your life. Ever farted on mute? The world is a to meme the shit out of it.
What is the economic business case for spending thousands of dollars per year on software like this? I don't see any productivity gains provided. Back in 2020, the Economist magazine put it the best, "The quality of the workers' final output is what matters for profitability and should be the best metric on worker productivity."
Employee tracking software is a tool of intimidation, not productivity. If we had a government that cared about its people, this horrible, abusive, power-tripping bullying would be illegal.
A piece of sticky silicone for the camera, a powerful magnet for the microphone and a solid knowledge of Task Manager's processes and services, makes you a hard (IT) worker.
The irony is that any company using this tracking software is likely to be targetted by professional slackers who use AI to simulate employee presence and "performance" 😂
Cant wait for "well technically electroshocks arent illegal if the voltage isnt THIS high. Motivate your employees by a little zap every 10 minutes if they dont smile enough. 10 out of 1000 doctors recommend".
The wonderful fluorescent lighting of the video stills/spyware - I can't get it out of my head. Or the ageist marketing teams in tight t-shirts either. Remind me again why I'd rather telecommute?
@@TacticsTechniquesandProcedures Grow some pairs and stand your ground. Nobody asked me to turn the camera on so I am not voluntarily doing it. Don't let peer-pressure dictate your life.
so funny thing is at my last job we had a high suspicion that we were being recorded because my boss would come to us about things we said IN PRIVATE and detail them in full. We suspected the webcams but couldn't prove it. I've since left that for these very reasons but on my way out I noted that we live in a 2-party state meaning it's illegal to record private conversations without consent. They never admitted to it but I wish I could prove it somehow.
This is why I keep a completely separate work laptop. It's still mine, bought with my own money, but I don't install ANYTHING on it, download any 'fun' crap, or login to ANYTHING with my personal accounts. It's strictly for work, and once that job is over, I wipe the computer (revert it back to original backup, or fresh Windows install) The problem comes in when you're forced to use a personal email or some kind of personal finance account. Those websites may force you to log in, and some have policies against "multiple accounts" so I can't just create another one for work. That's when I try to utilize my smart phone, but of course, even then, it's hard to stay in sync, and I'm also worried about work spyware potentially invading my phone somehow, because, inevitably, I'll have to do some kind of work task on my phone, so I'll probably end up getting a work phone too, lol.
all this performance monitoring stuff annoys me, it's like MS viva insights on steroids, but i'm an engineer, i spend a lot of time away from my desk and that viva BS thinks i'm having a f**king party every day.
Glad ive been able to use my device at multiple companies now. Currently use a mac and there is no MDM since all of the programs im using are web-based. Plus if my camera was to turn on, it would show a green light
Keylogger? That's a pretty huge security issue. They get hacked and OOPS, all your employee passwords are online. If the IT dept credentials are in there, so does all your internal service accounts and router passwords.
Nothing makes workers trust a company more than constantly being monitored and then micromanaging about every tiny thing you do. Be prepared to constantly have passive aggressive conversations with your manager because you had the audacity to not make every waking second of your life about your job, OH JOY 😊!
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ive yet to find an AI that can beat a piece of paper on my webcam
Now the mic is more tricky…
If the AI is set to detect movement and see's none.... bye bye wages.
Ima Jerry rig something to act as mic and stream 24 hours of farts and diarrhoea
Used a piece of paper and tape for years. I never turned the camera on. Nobody had the guts to ask, my productivity is good enough I guess.
I’m watching you from your walls
I flat out rejected a job that used this kind of sotware. No regrets, better opportunities came up later.
The more you bend, the more they will ask you to (politely) bend further.
And then they f... you. Or is this a different type of discussion?
they ask politely the first couple of easily bendable employees, and then after that they ram it down the throat of the others with the excuse that other employees are happy with it. It's not just spyware like that, it's everything downright abusive like changing the T&C of your job, shift patterns, etc.
@@DanTheCox Spot on. Resist!
This is a catastrophic data breach waiting to happen.
Especially considering since cybersecurity workers aren't allowed the time to research and look around a company's network, and most likely quit these jobs to go to another company (because the US is short 4 million skilled workers)... yeah. It's a matter of when it will happen.
It already happened this morning.
@@johndoe1274 The US isn't short any workers. Businesses put up listings and reject all applicants to get H1B workers who are cheaper.
"Breech" 😉 more like practice for the government
Lack of 4 million skilled workers? Where did they get that number?
“Why don’t anybody want to work anymore?”
Ahhh it's always a gorgeous sight to see an Ashita no Joe profile picture pop up 😊
ALWAYS tape your web cameras folks.
exactly
I'm guessing it will be part of your contract that you agree to be monitored in any form the employer decides. I'm not defending monitoring btw just that employers will cover that
Yesss!!!
also: remove / turn off attached audio devices, wi-fi, ethernet cable and turn off the computer/laptop when not in use. my job gives me a laptop I use for work, and i used to make it sleep when I am not working. when it started turning on suddenly at odd times, i was not having any of it. these days, when it's not in use, it's powered down.
I used aluminium tape on mine. When I told my boss before going into a meeting he was not fussed at all I think he would do the same if he could get away with it.
This is one of the most dehumanizing enslaving behaviors by employers in the modern world. The idea that company OWNS employee during their workhours is nuts by itself, but this is something next level, something close to ancient slavery. It doesn't match the definition of violating human rights on paper, but those definitions were established in a different era where computers and remote work didn't exist. In its core this is a MAJOR violation of human rights.
I am pretty sure in a company that i worked for they had a special purposes guy of special trust that was watching and hearing for management, a fellow coworker in disguise. He slept over his tongue.
They watch and hear you also after hours! When you finish unplug it, put it into the box and place in a closet. Still the problem is you are sharing your private network with that company crap and should change access password everyday after finishing the cotton gripping.
@@Krlowanigu-mg6eg What you've described here is a well know practice in Russian PRISONS. Those prisoners who secretly cooperate with prison administration are called "Stuckach", their goal is to gather information from other prisoners in a friendly manner.
You are getting paid to WORK, not goof around
@@christopherort2889Bootlicker
I agree. It's capitalism getting to another level. In the future, this is going to be discussed as a real violation, meanwhile we are the guinea pigs 🤡
Surprised it wasn't $6.66 per person
Kinda cheap price actually for a company. I'd guess the employer is not the only one with exclusive access to the cam, mic and the rest, i bet company that makes this software is double-dipping in the employee personal data.
Right?! They totally missed an opportunity there.
Lol
@@user-ym5mcyou missed the joke lol
@@ThisisFerrariKhan if u say so.
No one with a minimal sense of ethics would work in the creation of such tools
Ethics go out the window for a lot of people when flashing a dollar... selloutsociety
In 2021, I got outsourced as a developer for a major bank. They gave me a laptop that had pretty mediocre specs, and there was a Terms and Conditions everytime I open it reminding me they're tracking me. To the point of asking my wife to move the cursor every 5 minutes everytime I wanted to use the bathroom or go shopping. I couldn't download anything (not even libraries for the project) and anything I needed had to be asked to IT, who took days to solve the simplest task via remote. I once asked for a RAM upgrade as the 4GB of RAM I used weren't enough (they denied the request, as they made internal tests to my pc via remote and didn't think it was necessary). And that's not counting the resources the laptop used for tracking me. Eventually I quit, as it was such a stressful environment between meetings, 7-8 levels of management and subpar coding equipment.
I hoped that by now those kinds of practices would go down...
The very first red flag of a crappy employer is a crappy machine they provide you with.
Been there.
@@Krlowanigu-mg6eg So all employers?
@@Krlowanigu-mg6egnegligence of employers to provide adequate equipment, sounds like my old job. I'm shocked and livid with how common this is.
As long as boomer bosses exist, this will continue.
Ahhh the companies where they give the same laptop to both management and people working as developers, data analysts etc.
Lovely
Been there done that
If you need software like this, that tells me a few things: 1) your leadership team is weak, 2) which made your recruiting team bad, 3) which makes you treat existing employees like crap to make up for all the other inefficiencies, and 4) your business probably will never go anywhere assuming it even survives for the next few years.
I would get fired by these stalkers because I don't type in the correct amount of keystrokes fast enough so they'll assume I'm not working when I'm actually researching to solve another problem. That's great! I can spend my time looking for employers who will actually trust me to do the job I want to do.
But while you wait for that second job, maybe invest some time or money in a mouse jiggler. Then see how long you can "work" two jobs without this one noticing.
If they are managers who can't track productivity by work completed, what's the point of their job?
As someone who has to write a lot of repetitive words/phrases/templates, etc. I use Espanso so I can write :dd and get my name and the current date, or :ltime to type out the log message about what I was doing for that project, for example. Point being, they'd prob complain about how I'm typing way less than other employees lmaoo
or build a business. We need more businesses.
Best way to combat inflation.
@@kagayakuangel5828 "or build a business. We need more businesses. Best way to combat inflation."
We've had several months of zero inflation and even some negative inflation recently. We don't have an inflation problem right now. We have a price gouging problem.
1984 is here 40 years later, we *wish* we were in 1984
Indeed, every time I think about the job market, I wish I were not aIive... Indeed...
I miss the good old days
No, go back to 1980 and save us from Reagan. He’s haunting us today.
I’ve never stop wishing we were in 1984…since 1985
I am a VP in tech. I really don't give two shits about what my team is doing during the day as long as things are getting done on time. I don't have the time or the desire to spy on their desktop.
Exactly! You'll know if someone isn't doing their job. You don't need software to do that for you. People can form "busy" and get NOTHING done. How are these executives this gullible?
The reason these software are so popular is specifically because people were not doing their work. I have encountered this myself when several people were fired from where I work for swearing up and down that a project they were assigned to was being worked on but when that due date came up suddenly they had nothing. No finished project not even any proof of work.
Hopefully some idiot CEO silently pushes that shit on people in a 2 party consent states. Will be an entertaining show.
Good one
Pretty sure all the paper work you sign when you get hired has all the necessary consent needed.
@@CommanderRiker0 In some places it's per instance. Plus in a two party consent situation consent can be revoked at any time. And termination in that case will be retaliation.
@@ecchioni I think you misread my statement. To be employed you will be giving consent, that will likely be part of your contract. You can't just revoke your consent while in a contract with another party. You would have to cancel your employment.
@@CommanderRiker0it goes beyond that. It shouldn’t be legal in the first place. Obviously a company can monitor their work equipment. But monitoring you, storing data on you like pics, videos, work habits, where you walk, packaging it and possibly selling it without your knowledge, that should be illegal. So while you may give consent, it’s like giving consent to something illegal like to be a human centipede, it shouldn’t be legal in the first place.
I know managers who would love this sort of software. It's the type who are insecure about their performance metrics and rather than tackle and fix the root cause issues, create more layers of admin to cover it up.
Time to work out of a sand-boxed virtual machine haha this is so messed up.
the spying apps can probably detect that... you would have to fork over the dough for a completely new PC. just thought you should know.I would look at virtual machine obfuscation techniques and how they are found to figure out a temporary bypass if you don't have said dough though.
Hope you have a great day & Safe Travels!
They will be able to see it on a work laptop...
A custom virus that would simulate work would be my first thing to try
I find it hilarious that a software company that will fire you if you don't type anything or move your mouse while programming, tells me that the company knows nothing about programming 😅
I'm learning python and C++ right now and they'd fire me in a heartbeat. So far most I've programmed is an atm interface and functions from withdrawals deposits ect. I still haven't memorized the entire language so I refer to a cheat sheet for certain characters and their functions
@@xenosayain1506 Exactly! Most of programming requires abstract thinking. Conceptualization, visual calculus and pattern building. Which is all done in your head before programming anything. It needs to be visualized and simulated in your mind or on paper. Humans aren’t supposed to memorize massive amounts of information unless it is used on a daily basis. Having the syntax written down somewhere will help to give your mind the space necessary to build and create.
you immediately lose all your nerd cred because THAT'S OBLIVION!
I immediately realized that when I went to get a screenshot of it lmao. But here we are. You get my joke!
@@JoshuaFluke1 I do, it was pretty funny
Back to work citizen! Your mouse hasn't moved in 10 seconds!
Oblivion is just Skyrim v0.1
6.66 göy
About 5 or 6 years ago, while broke and unemployed, a very interesting position was posted on LinkedIn in my city …totally my wheelhouse. When I looked into the company, I realized they made employee tracking software….. I decided without hesitation that I was not going to be part of anything like that!
Sadly the tech field is filled with amoral demons willing to sell out their peers for a paycheck by making software like this for corporations and governments to make your life worse.
Dont worry, indians dont have these objectives. 🤮
I’ve made decisions like these, not many people do that
Based. Always use your powers for good and for anti-glowie purposes.
Good! Thank you for not enabling these creepy corpos.
I like physical webcam covers 🤙 Happy bd btw!
I use paper and tape 😂
Years ago I wrote a paper on this and my professor told me I was crazy.
Your professor is a crackpot.
Schools are bubbles filled with idealists who can't think beyond their bubble.
That's disgusting, I don't need some creep spying on my family. Especially some corporate pdf file.
I am so glad to work in IT, where I'm the one who sets up and locks down the computers, where I can say with CERTAINTY that there's none of that crap at my company.
Until you aren't.
@@KCM25NJL until I'm not what? Certain that there's none of that crap? Brother I'm the one who sets up the computers. I see everything.
As an IT professional, I will only say that, depending on the size of the co, it can be a lot more compartmentalized than one realizes
@@shishsquared Until you aren't the one that is setting up the computers. I've been where you are in 3 very large corporations that will remain nameless. I've been part of large scale automation projects, one in particular tasked with the virtualisation/cloudification of partnering/subsidiary companies that operated on legacy on-prem setups. I myself have been automated out of those three roles.... not to mention a number of offshored roles resulting in my eventual redundancy just prior to Covid. After a 20 career in "IT".... I'm finally alienated from that world. A piece of advice..... if you think you are safe because you are on top of the castle, make sure there isn't a bigger castle.
@@KCM25NJLokay, butthurt LinkedIn CEO.
Boss speak: If you want money, WE OWN YOU. We OWN EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU .
Capitalism is inherently totalitarian
"We are a family."
Yeah, an abusive narcissistic family
"We are a family."
Yeah, a narcissistic abusive family.
At this point, the line between monitoring software and spyware has gotten so blurry that I would think I have vision problems.
There is no line. Any monitoring software is also spyware. The only distinction is whether you personally install it intentionally onto your own machine, or if its installed by someone else.
Just like in a factory with all the fancy cameras they have up but can’t pay us workers anymore
This shit should be criminal!
@phoenix71232 This is such deplorable behavior and it goes completely unchecked. I wonder if developers unionizing would help this at all?
“Looks like she needs to get back into the cubicle” 🤣🤣 man you’re funny
02:06 Ah yes, constant surveillance and micromanaging, the best way to avoid burnouts. LOL
"We have decided to give you the job. You come across as extremely professional, intelligent, a hard worker & someone we can trust in our company".
*Installs tracking software on your work laptop*
"We should be able to do anything we want on equipment that does not belong to us" - you
Also, no, before you call be a BoOtLiCkEr I have actually advocated against such software everywhere I've worked, but you need to understand that it's the company equipment and they have a right to install whatever management software they please. You consent to it when you sign that hiring paperwork.
@@antikommunistischaktion No, wrong. If you cannot fulfill your profession, because you need to be worried that idiots, that do not understand your job, get the wrong idea, or the machine is not usable, then the provided tool is of no usage and I call this a violation of contract. That is the first one. Secondly, you have to fulfill state law. If I as an employer put an electric shock device under the keyboard I, according to your logic, would just mean business with the hardware I own. Which fulfills the subject of torture and abuse. This might be an exaggeration, but it shows the stupidity of your argument.
@@stzi7691 "We should be able to do anything we want on equipment that does not belong to us" - you
If they have to track their employees to make sure they're working, sounds like a GARBAGE place to work.
Another day in the world of private dictatorships
I do a manual job outdoors alone but do see coworkers occasionally . We have an office who have given some people a mobile phone so they can monitor their whereabouts via computer in case they are slacking or overspending time on breaks. But the job has its peaks and troughs of busy and quiet times during the day so you'd have to keep walking or driving aimlessly (wasting fuel) to avoid being in one spot for too long and being questioned.
From the company's perspective - first question: Are these tracking tools hackable? Can you hack them and take all the data, videos and pictures of all the employees. If yes, the company is playing with fire. Not even fire, napalm.
You know that criminal hackers are looking for companies using this software so they can breach them.
Managers don't care about company health. They only care about exercising their power.
And what can a worker do about it?
@@hearteater788 Get down with similarly disgruntled employees and get support online. Lots of support and media attention
This is the sorta crap that makes me never wanna work for anyone again....... I think I'd be happier on the street than living under a literal microscope.
Happy Trails!
I feel bad for whoever has to watch the surveillance footage I give the laptop
it's all automated -> AI
Lots to be disgusted by here, but it's particularly appalling that "[taking] extra time to think" is considered a bad thing.
Yeah!! Like... What exactly does that mean?? You can think? 😂
@@AngelaMerici12 You can think, you just have to be desperately flailing your mouse around your desk while you're doing it.
The Boomers and X'ers running these companies don't even view you as human.
As someone who suffers with brain fog this is ableist af. If you want me to do it right give me the time to at least sort through my disabilities.
I have worked with companies that wanted to install spyware like this on MY pc. I told them if it was so important they can ship me a laptop with the software installed. They never do and will make it sound like you are being the bad guy for not letting them install invasive software on your private property. I flat refuse. If it cost me a contract, so be it.
Never ever do anything personal on a work computer. At home or otherwise. Unless you want your boss having all of your passwords. Photos of the webpages you visit ect. I worked for IT and they forced us to install Spector 360. And kept it a secret. Told employees it was fine to do personal stuff on their breaks. All the while recording everything they did.
If I find out my company is spying on me, the lawsuit will make the news. The home is where you have an expectation of privacy. Its a violation of rights, and yes, people can violate rights just as much as the government.
There will no doubt be something buried in your contract which allows them to monitor you in this way
I agree audio and video is an issue, but if you're on a work computer, whatever you do on it is their business. Good luck with that lawsuit. Plus, if you don't like it, go back to the office. Easy.
OCR is nuts too cuz it circumvents all the encryption and everything, so bad
And this is why I have a webcam cover and have disabled the built in mic with both an intentionally busted device driver and several registry edits to prevent automatic driver re-installation. I still check it occasionally because I'm paranoid lol. My headset is wireless and I only turn it on when I use it.
Based.
I am pretty sure in a company that i worked for they had a special purposes guy of special trust that was watching and hearing for management, a fellow coworker in disguise. He slept over his tongue.
They watch and hear you also after hours! When you finish unplug it, put it into the box and place in a closet. Still the problem is you are sharing your private network with that company crap and should change access password everyday after finishing the cotton gripping.
The most dystopian part of this is that companies have been doing stuff like this for a while and we’re only finding out now. JP Morgan Wadu and these are absolutely disturbing.
Taking extra time to think? You're FIRREEEEDD
This is micro management on a whole new level
I have a feeling that companies are going to start (if they haven't already) using more and more of these systems, AND they will begin to make it very obvious and frustrating for the employees as a way to force remote workers back into the office.
Simply put: They just want to micro manage everything we employees do.
they have these in offices as well
They're fully ingrained with the boomer mentality. Funny thing, the majority of managers don't even know how to do the job they're managing. So, it is extra stupid. @@swordmaster305
@@TheMetalValkyrie Sure, but if I'm going to choose between being "secretly" audio and video recorded at home or in the office, I might choose in the office.
@@TrustTheScience how about neither
"You never know when a top performer might suprise with actual time spent". The reason why top performer is in top is because often his/her actions are well-thought. So their two hours top-notch work may be result of 6 hours of thinking xD
This is exactly it. They monitor you moving your cursor, but how do they monitor your thinking? Half of my job is thinking, doing is only about 30%. This kind of approach to performance measurement is so stupid!
I always kept a piece of tape over the webcam.
Great video. I wonder if this kind of software is also designed to deter workers having a second WFH job/gig. These companies are so devious!
It's a must now that the only way to combat this is when you get the job offer, you look over the fine print, find the parts that allow them to do this, scratch it out on printed paper, send that in, and if they don't agree with your terms then that's fine, find another company who will leave everyone tf alone.
Yea tear it or tell them to reprint the contract. If they must spy, make sure they download malwarrs on their own devices and gift them to employees instead
Can't send in a docusign. You're stuck.
@@jeffweingrad4658 Oh on the contrary. Legally you're allowed to send this by mail which is what I was referring to actually and you can get it notorized if you want to get a witness involved and send it certified mail with a return receipt so you know they in fact got it AND you can stipulate that the contract will come into effect in X number number of days if no response is given. People think it's a one-way street but in reality, it's commerce and you are doing business with one another after all.
@@jeffweingrad4658 for some reason my comment was either removed or deleted but I'll say it again just in case the UA-cam algorithm automatically did it or strangely enough Josh which I doubt. You can actually mail that in and that's what I was referring to.
@@jeffweingrad4658 test
If it can be installed silently by clicking on a link, it just proves one of the top information security rules: DON'T CLICK ON RANDOM LINKS/ATTACHMENTS. Prevent that shit from being installed in the first place.
Had a conversation with a hiring manager about remote work (not an interview). The manager advised me ask for a company computer. If they cannot provide one, I was advised to not install nor give remote access to their IT team to my personal computer. In general, nowadays is best to avoid remote work that has no objective productivity metrics.
The monitoring stuff with metrics scares me. They seem to expect everyone to work at a uniform speed.
I have pretty severe adhd. So it's hard to get focused. But once I do, I can be extremely focused. So there are some days I barely do any work, but others where I do a huge amount of work.
When you average it out, I've been a lot more productive than my coworkers. But I'm always terrified they'll see that I did almost nothing one day and fire me for being a bad worker.
We need to get Joshua fluke to 1 million subs
In other words, some employers think the actual amount of work you do is way less important, than you just looking really busy and wasting time. We used to call something like this malware/virus, because that's literally what it is. What do you do, when it's a slow day at work? Does the system recognize that as "not working"? What are you supposed to do if your employer doesn't give you enough work that day?
I refuse to believe it is even remotely (pun not intended) legal anywhere in the world for your employer to willingly and knowingly install malware on your private system without your consent or even knowledge. Does it get turned off after work hours? How can you be sure? Passwod safety? What's that? I could go on for hours with all the issues here.
This is pure evil. It's the wet dream of complete psychopaths who read 1984 and thought it was a great idea.
It's boomer mentality turned up to 11. They even lack the self awareness to see what they are doing is wrong. Societal narcissism.
You see, and 1984 is not even about capitalism
New world order Google it
Keep two separate computers. One for work. One for personal.
If they want such monitoring you should NEVER allow it on your personal machine. Either they provide a company device, or they can GTFO.
@@ForgottenKnight1Besides the point. Who said anything about requiring monitoring software on your personal machine?
@@maxmustermann194 my office did try getting us to put their monitoring on our personal computers when they sent us home during Covid. I said nah. So they let me bring my work comp home.
Imagine if you have kids. And they start filming your children, and the person monitoring is a perv. Listening in when you're off duty or filming you off duty.
This is sick!
Who watches the watchers?
OverWatch
Hahah, that's like refusing a drug test because drugs were legalized in your state. Why the fuck would I take a drug test? Lmao 😂
Anything we can do? Company Policy or get fired? This sucks!
My initial reaction is that this is against the law, but given it's company property i'm guessing there's some workaround crap... regardless, i'd rather be broke. No way am i giving up all of my privacy for a fkin slave job. That literally IS modern-day version of slavery...
Got laid off 4 years ago. I can't believe how stupid i was and not seeing how the world works. I was actually thinking that it was a dream job.
Thanks for the video. Exposing these people
Watching this while working from home. No question they're doing this to me. I see my cam come on every now and then for a moment. I do worry that with the audio monitoring they'll hear Jeff Berwick's latest weekly monologue in the background.
Do it full blast. If they say anything about it they admitted to watching you and probably are being toxic madd. This way you can call them out.
I know getting another job is not easy but I wouldn't work that way. Like, I already have a stalker!! Now also whoever is watching from office? Just crazy.
Loud heavy metal will deter this quite quickly. Also, works well as white noise if they choose to lower the volume.
This needs to be illegal in every country. This should be classified as a human rights violation.
Should do a video on available programs to bypass this crap.
Antivirus, not installing crap sent to you by email, making a VM, not using Windows, listening to your email client when it tells you you're about to download a dangerous file to your computer.
No wonder the battery drains soo quickly...
Keep your personal life on personal property.
what?
He is running D for the CEOs.@@SafetyKitten
@@SafetyKittendon’t use company devices when doing personal things. Pretty simple. This also works the other way around. Don’t use your personal phone for work. If they ask you to, get a new job.
@@TacticsTechniquesandProcedures if I need to use a work device to access the NHS or anything direly, I'm going to do it. There's no "keep your personal life on personal property" batman type rule BS, I'm going to do it. Just is how it is.
One of the benefits of working for a boomer business is that they're too old school to use these things.
Oh, if the boomer could, they would.
The one question, can they sue and just be done with it? No more corporate hostages!
imagine getting fired and your company leaks your webcam videos in the worst moments of your life. Ever farted on mute? The world is a to meme the shit out of it.
That would be a lawsuit in waiting.
I'm a CEO and I do this for my company. I can do whatever I want. If you don't like it then you can go and look for another job.
thanks for making it easy to steal all the data from your company! - hackers.
What is the economic business case for spending thousands of dollars per year on software like this? I don't see any productivity gains provided. Back in 2020, the Economist magazine put it the best, "The quality of the workers' final output is what matters for profitability and should be the best metric on worker productivity."
Lol corporate violating hippa 😂😂
HIPAA
Yeah, Ole boy here doesn't understand what it is or what the rules on it are. He won't admit he was wrong, though.
“I’m going to go ahead and assume that uh this is….fake.” LOL 😂
In Illinois it requires two party consent so unless they're wanting to get sued to use this go for it.
Employee tracking software is a tool of intimidation, not productivity. If we had a government that cared about its people, this horrible, abusive, power-tripping bullying would be illegal.
A piece of sticky silicone for the camera, a powerful magnet for the microphone and a solid knowledge of Task Manager's processes and services, makes you a hard (IT) worker.
Im convinced by stupervisor reads my emails. She is a bit obsessed
Companies out here really inventing the Torment Nexus
Crowdstrike Eagle/Insight should be a very interesting dive too
The irony is that any company using this tracking software is likely to be targetted by professional slackers who use AI to simulate employee presence and "performance" 😂
Is the future here now Get back in your cube
Cant wait for "well technically electroshocks arent illegal if the voltage isnt THIS high. Motivate your employees by a little zap every 10 minutes if they dont smile enough. 10 out of 1000 doctors recommend".
“Let’s motivate Funtime Foxy/Ballora/Circus Baby/Funtime Freddy, with a friendly controlled shock!”
How does it prevent burnout?? Brian you typed so much this month we want you to take it easier and be sure to take your breaks 😂
This has been happening in the trucking industry for years.
The wonderful fluorescent lighting of the video stills/spyware - I can't get it out of my head. Or the ageist marketing teams in tight t-shirts either.
Remind me again why I'd rather telecommute?
Cover your camera. Simply never turn your camera on when joining a meeting. Done so for years, nobody asked me to do it, why volunteer?
lol if you’re remote that won’t work. You’ll be ordered to turn it on and get the laptop serviced if “the cam doesn’t work.”
@@TacticsTechniquesandProcedures Grow some pairs and stand your ground. Nobody asked me to turn the camera on so I am not voluntarily doing it. Don't let peer-pressure dictate your life.
If they did this in the EU, I would never work as a developer.
Imagine being a developer developing this tool
so funny thing is at my last job we had a high suspicion that we were being recorded because my boss would come to us about things we said IN PRIVATE and detail them in full. We suspected the webcams but couldn't prove it. I've since left that for these very reasons but on my way out I noted that we live in a 2-party state meaning it's illegal to record private conversations without consent. They never admitted to it but I wish I could prove it somehow.
I wonder what these companies privacy policy looks like.
Seeming like a better and better time to start your own business.
This is why I keep a completely separate work laptop. It's still mine, bought with my own money, but I don't install ANYTHING on it, download any 'fun' crap, or login to ANYTHING with my personal accounts. It's strictly for work, and once that job is over, I wipe the computer (revert it back to original backup, or fresh Windows install)
The problem comes in when you're forced to use a personal email or some kind of personal finance account. Those websites may force you to log in, and some have policies against "multiple accounts" so I can't just create another one for work. That's when I try to utilize my smart phone, but of course, even then, it's hard to stay in sync, and I'm also worried about work spyware potentially invading my phone somehow, because, inevitably, I'll have to do some kind of work task on my phone, so I'll probably end up getting a work phone too, lol.
Companies view 1984 as how to as opposed to a cautionary tale.
all this performance monitoring stuff annoys me, it's like MS viva insights on steroids, but i'm an engineer, i spend a lot of time away from my desk and that viva BS thinks i'm having a f**king party every day.
Glad ive been able to use my device at multiple companies now. Currently use a mac and there is no MDM since all of the programs im using are web-based. Plus if my camera was to turn on, it would show a green light
Keylogger? That's a pretty huge security issue. They get hacked and OOPS, all your employee passwords are online. If the IT dept credentials are in there, so does all your internal service accounts and router passwords.
Nothing makes workers trust a company more than constantly being monitored and then micromanaging about every tiny thing you do. Be prepared to constantly have passive aggressive conversations with your manager because you had the audacity to not make every waking second of your life about your job, OH JOY 😊!
They want slaves. They would have slaves if they could, so they have work arounds. They're modern-day slavers.
This is why my work machine is my laptop running Linux.
If I were one of these employees, I'd write a hugely personal email to HR then sue them for breach of privacy as the email was only intended for HR