Thanks for this informative video that reinforced what research I had previously done. There are many blog blurbs about happiness with Newmar and Tiffen. The good news is ALL RV's depreciate rapidly after purchase and there are plenty of used Newmar and Tiffen coaches for sale at competitive prices. The real bargains for sane buyers who will not pay dealership prices are 10-20 year old coaches with low miles and indoor storage. You have to look harder to find the right one, but you will pay a small fraction of the price of a new one and THAT is happiness.
You are so right Michael. In fact, I made a video just a few weeks ago about how much you can save by buying a Class A from the years 2000-2007. Here is the link - ua-cam.com/video/pUL_CqXLf_8/v-deo.html Thanks for watching and leaving such a nice comment!
I agree. Winnebago makes some great gas powered Class As. For some reason I get resistance from some viewers for listing Winnebago as a quality manufacturer. So I am glad that you posted your positive experience here. Thanks!
Thank you. I'm glad my 22 Entegra Vision made your cut. You are correct on having an RV inspector, I didn't and I've had several problems that the inspector would have caught before I made the 500 mile trip to buy our Entegra.
Unfortunately these days an inspector is needed even on new RV sales. But once you get the bugs worked out, I think you will be happy with your Entegra. Good choice!
@@RVInspectionAndCare Thank you. I'm going to have a rear Liquid Spring suspension installed in February. I enjoy your videos and your knowledge. Thank you.
@@RVInspectionAndCare I will give an update for sure. I hate to spend over 13k, but if it improves the ride like the videos I've watched it will be worth it. Now if I could quiet down the noisy engine so I can hear the radio it would be great.
Forest River makes the Timberwolf and FR is not on my recommended list of RV brands. But this is a destination trailer so it's more difficult for me to say as I haven't had much experience with them. If you do choose the Timberwolf be sure to use an RV inspector first and get any issues that are found fixed before taking delivery. And bear in mind that FR has had issues with customer service too.
Actually Don, I prefer to take a more positive tone on this channel. I could make videos about RVs I don't like and those videos would probably do better on UA-cam if I did. But I prefer to work at things from the other direction. If you see me recommend an RV on my channel you know that it is at least worthy of a little more consideration than normal. And if anyone disagrees with my recommendations that's fine.
The years between 2000 - 2007 were a very good time for motorhomes, especially Class As. In my opinion, some of the best diesel pusher motorhomes were produced during that period. That's why I own a 2004 Newmar Kountry Star DP. But all of those rigs are around 20 years old now. So there is nothing specific to look for as much as verifying that all of the systems and equipment on the coach are working properly and in good shape. So if you want to know how to buy an older motorhome like that the right way just download my guidebook on buying used RVs. You can get find it here - payhip.com/b/cPLl
I think they are some of the best quality motorhomes ever built. Especially those made in the early to mid 2000's. If you can find one these days that has been cared for really well, it may be a great buy. Just make sure to have it thoroughly inspected first.
Beaver was a great manufacturer that is no longer in business. But I do recommend Beaver as a coach that should be considered if you are looking for an older Class A RV.
@@RVInspectionAndCare Would you please advise what are the disadvantages if Beaver is out of business? I am thinking of buying a 2000 Beaver Marquis Amythyst. Thanks so much for your help.
@@thomasca7606 Actually lots of great older Class A manufacturers are no longer in business now. Many didn't survive the economic downturn in 2008. I wouldn't be too concerned about buying one of those coaches though as the vast majority of equipment and appliances in them is common among most other RVs as well. But I would be sure to get a thorough RV inspection on a coach of that age though. There could be lots of hidden problems that only a good RV inspection could find for you.
What is your opinion about National brand ? They are a little old but seams well built . I have a National Sur Side 2007 gas (very happy with it ) but I would like to switch for a diesel one . ( also National but diesel) or should I go with a newer brand ? Thanks 🙏
National built a pretty coach IMO. But when you buy an older RV like that the most important consideration is how well it has been cared for by the owner(s) over the years. So an RV inspection by a certified NRVIA inspector before you buy it is a must in these cases. I hope that helps.
You hit the nail square on the head when you said "Newmar" being the best. I'm planning on purchasing an RV in the near future, I've been doing my "Do Diligence" on the quality of a Class A, and Newmar has been my top choice. Now I'm in the process of starting over, because I've fallen in love with the "Super Class C" with a matching stacker trailer. in which Newmar is still my front runner. While on the subject of quality RVs. Being a "Quality Inspector", I'm quit sure you have inspected alot of trailers. Me personally I've found the "Grand Design" to be the "Far worse" RV you can buy. I've haven't heard anything good about them. From watching UA-cam channels I've discovered alot of people having major issues with them. It's like you'll spend more money on repairs on them then what you pay for them. What do you think?
Hi Yvette. Newmar is certainly one of the best higher production Class A manufacturers out there. And their Super C lineup is fabulous, with the Supreme Aire being incredible. As far as Grand Design is concerned, I really don't know why so many are trashing them, except to say that I think GD has had serious issues with keeping their quality up through the pandemic and all the challenges it threw their way. But GD won the Trailer Life Reader's Choice Gold Award for 2018 and 2019 and received the Silver award in 2020. These are awards that are based on feedback from the Trailer Life readers, RV owners, not the industry. So clearly there are plenty of GD owners that are very happy with their RV. And truthfully, all of the high production travel trailer builders had problems in the last 2 - 3 years due to Covid's effects on the industry. But GD seems to be a bigger target for quality problems than most. This may be because of their stellar reputation in earlier years. Anyhow, what issues did you find on GD products that you felt were not right?
There are so many. I don't want to "Name Drop" and call out the UA-cam channel, but there is one guy in particular, a large percentage of his videos is of him complaining about issues he's having with his Grand Design, among with other RV channels. Also I want to thank you for the Super Class C recommendation. I'm going to look it up now, I'm hoping it's like one I haven't seen before.
I just looked at the Supreme Aire, didn't like it. I thought I had the video saved so I could tell you which one I'm partial too. It has a large "Sunroof" I'm going into my achieves to see if I can find it, then I'll let you know.
@@mzyvettecrenshaw9670 Well, it's not really fair to me to blackball an entire brand solely on the strength of one bad RV. The truth is that as long as RVs are made by hand, it's possible to get a poorly built RV in any brand. That's why the Trailer Life award means more to me than someone just dissatisfied with their personal RV. The simple truth is that GD has sold so many RVs in the last 8 years or so that there is bound to be a few clunkers in the bunch. But the Trailer Life award proves to me at least that overall GD owners are happy with what they have.
I get asked that question a lot. But the reason for not including Prevost is the same for also not including Foretravel and Newell. They are all incredibly well built Class A RVs. But they are also very high end and are made in very limited production numbers. My lists focus on the brands that are affordable RVs for most people that have reasonably solid production numbers. Thanks for asking and watching the video!
Actually Thor motorhomes can be a good choice in my opinion. They are pretty much average when it comes to build quality when compared with their competitors, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing as long as you thoroughly inspect the coach before you buy and get all the issues addressed. But I would compare the cost of a Thor rig with products from Newmar, Tiffin and Entegra in a similar price range and see what you like best. But if the Thor has a floor plan and setup that you like best, it's well worth consideration IMO.
Hi James. I didn't include Newell for two reasons. First, it is what I consider one of the premium luxury brands like Foretravel and Prevost. So it's kind of in a whole different category than the other Class As mentioned in the video. Also, they don't build very many Newells each year either. They focus on quality and take their time. So I feel that it isn't fair to compare brands that are built on more of a production basis with those that are at the extreme high end of the category. With that said, I highly recommend a Newell to anyone who can afford them. They are truly amazing coaches.
To have an RV technician would be the best option for inspection, someone whose trade goes beyond the scope of an inspector unless the inspector's trade was a tech. You can read a pile of books and pass a test to become a home inspector and have zero experience as a builder and something tells me it would be the same in the RV industry.
Actually I have come across lots of RV service techs that I would not trust to inspect an RV for me. There is a major shortage of qualified and knowledgeable RV service techs in the industry right now. And that is obvious because of all the complaints that so many RVers are lodging about poor work being done by RV service centers and some mobile techs as well. And NRVIA certified RV inspectors do not just "read a pile of books and pass a test" to become certified. It's a very intensive, hands-on training that requires the student to perform inspections on real world units properly to be certified. For me, I will choose a certified RV inspector who knows what they are doing and has the software that guides them through a complete and thorough inspection every time. But everybody is entitled to their opinion, so choose whoever you like for your RV inspection.
When I look at the American Eagle and Dream and compare them to Newmar,Tiffin,Entegra, I see a coach with superior styling and accessories. They offer no carpet floors, electronic steering, adaptive cruise (not Tiffin). Entegra is finally catching on about cabinet colors but still not up to American Coach. Just my humble opinion
Hi John. Actually a good case could be made for American Coach. But I personally did not feel that they are quite up to the standards set by the other manufacturers in the higher cost category, especially in terms of customer service. Of course, like I said in the video, everyone is free to have their own opinion on this kind of subject matter. But I'm not dissing American Coach in any way. They make fine Class A motorhomes.
Actually there are a lot of things that I like about the Coachmen smaller Class As. But I just can't put them on my recommended list due to their poor reputation for initial build quality and customer support. For the same money, there are other Class A RVs that would be a better choice in those areas. You might consider some of the Jayco offerings instead.
Good question. There are a few Class A motorhome manufacturers that are in a class of their own at the super high end of the market. That includes Marathon Prevost, Newell and Foretravel. I feel that it's just not fair to compare them with mass produced motorhomes that are much less expensive. They are all great though and I will be doing a video about them in the near future.
what about used ones ? And is there a cutoff where you are just buying a headache ? I drove a 1998 country coach, oy ! Looked pretty good in the pictures, but a whole list of issues....and he was asking 25K, JD power said 13K for retail, low retail, 10K and even at 10, it feels like you are overpaying !!
As I said in the video, when you buy an older RV a lot depends on how well it has been maintained. I have seen 25 year old rigs that are in great shape and I have seen 5 year old rigs that are trashed. The only way to know the real shape of an older RV is to get an inspection by a certified NRVIA inspector before you buy.
Great information. I love Newmar, Tiffan, Entegra, Fleetwood, Holiday Ramber which is sister brand of Fleetwood but the Newmar Baystar interior ,design and space layout is definitely not that great at that price point IMO. The Newmar Canyon star which used to be a gasser a few yrs back and maybe still not sure is great! ALL other Newmars are Excellent quality! I see that you did not mention American Couch in a higher price range have you seen the new 2022 American Eagle 45E it looks like a custom couch absolutely stunning. Jayco and Forest River Georgetown look very, very , very low quality construction inside. I have seen a few newer Jayco's that don't look to bad but the quality is poor. Now this video gave viewers great informacion and so true what you said at the end!
Hi Ary. Thanks for commenting so well on your thoughts about Class A MHs. As I said in the video, everyone has opinions and there is a good chance that yours may differ from mine in some areas. Please keep in mind that as an RV inspector, I don't just make my choices based on floor plan or interior fit and finish. I try to focus also on build quality in the whole coach and not just the areas that you can see easily. That's why I made the comment in the video that even though I could recommend the Georgetown and Jayco's too, I also said that you would clearly see some fit and finish issues especially compared to the more expensive Class As on my list. American Coach in my opinion does build a very good product, but I personally don't feel that their quality is quite up to par with Newmar or Tiffin and from what I can tell their customer service also doesn't have as good a reputation as the others on my list either. If that improves, they will certainly be on my list in the future. Thanks for watching the video and making such a nice comment though!
We are considering a new King Aire, but I am not sure they're worth the $1.5 million MSRP. I think Foretravel is the biggest competition for the KA. American Coach have improved the last couple of years.
Is 2005 Newmar Northern Star a good model or should I choose the 3 models that you mentioned: Mountain Air, Dutch Star.... Also should I buy the motorhome with back radiator? Thanks so much
Actually anything made by Newmar is worth serious consideration. And if I had to do it over again, I would get a side radiator coach, but I wouldn't reject a good RV on that basis alone. I hope that helps.
This is funny. I just watched the other video on this topic, just minutes a go for the 2nd time. Are Class A Rv between 30 and 35 ft hard to maneuver??? I Keep wondering about right turns in town.
LOL ... well that's pretty good timing for this video, huh? Actually smaller Class As like the ones between 30 - 35 feet are much easier to drive and maneuver than the bigger 40 footers. In general, the longer the rig, the more focus you need to drive safely. And making right turns is definitely a skill that you need to master in a Class A. I recommend finding a large empty parking lot nearby and practicing making turns and other maneuvers with your Class A before taking it on the road. That worked really well for us.
Does Newmar have better quality than Tiffin, that was why you said Newmar first? Do Newmar Mountain Aire have better quality than Newmar Northern Aire? Thanks
Hi Thomas. Newmar and Tiffin are at the top of the Class A market and I would say that they are pretty even in terms of quality and customer service. And my quality rating applies to all of their models too.
I have created several guidebooks for used RVs. You can view them here - payhip.com/RVInspectionAndCare They provide all of my recommendations for brands and models to choose from. I hope that helps.
What are your thoughts on the American Coach, especially the two upper priced models of the American Dream and the American Eagle? We have looked at the 2021-2022 $500K+ and are impressed with American Coach. Honestly, having owned a Monaco for a decade that we bought new, and my family having owned both Tiffins and Newmars, I have to say the "quality" workmanship doesn't seem to be that exquisite as it was just a few years ago. I think all industries are having trouble finding good quality people and therefor the business, no matter the industry, suffers because of it. You're thoughts? One more thing, I know that the REV group owns American Coach and bought Monaco back in the day, what do you think of this company?
Theses are all great questions. I highly recommend American Coach, especially the older ones. For many years, American Coach was the higher end product made by Fleetwood. But now both companies are owned by REV along with Renegade and Holiday Rambler. And the new ownership still seems to be turning out a quality product compared to their competition. It's true that modern RVs have still not returned to the quality products made years ago, especially the pre-2008 models. But what you have you to look for today in RV brands is a level of quality that is higher than their competition puts out, and American Coach fits that criteria. It may not match the quality level of years ago, but if you buy a better brand these days and then inspect it to have all the bugs worked out, you can still get a quality RV from the first day of ownership. I hope that helps.
@@yesher12 I don't know any inspectors in the Dallas area personally. But there is an exceptionally good inspector in the Austin area that may be willing to travel for the inspection. His name is Don Baker and his website is at - www.dbrvinspections.com/ If Don can't perform the inspection for you, he may be able to suggest someone in the Dallas area that he recommends. I hope that helps. 🙂
Excellent video, spot on! Be nice to hear what you think about used used diesel pushers and which ones you think wouldstill have good guts and bones to them. I’m seriously thinking about getting a used country coach because they were ahead of it’s time in quality and features in the early 2000s they sold for $700,000 back then. Remodel and update the inside and have a well built diesel pusher under $250,000
That's a great idea David. Thanks for the suggestion. I'll put it on the list for future video topics. And BTW, early 2000s Country Coach's have a great reputation for build materials and build quality. You are absolutely right that buying an older one that has been cared for and updating it is not only a cost effective choice, but the coach itself would be better made than almost anything being turned out of the factory these days.
Good advice, but it looks like the entire RV and automobile market is in a bubble, like many other markets, and waiting a few months may save one a lot of $
I agree that it's a pretty hot sales market now for RVs. But how long it will last is anybody's guess at this point. But if a sizeable chunk of the new RVers that bought rigs during Covid decide to sell, used RV prices will definitely be affected. We'll see ....
Does Newmar have better quality than Country Coach? When you say Newmar first on the list, does that mean Newmar have the highest quality? Thanks so much for your information.
I don't include Prevost, Foretravel or Newell in these Class A discussions as they are on the ultra high end of the market, are produced in very limited quantities, and cost too much for the average RVer.
Actually Joe, I will be releasing a buying and ratings guide for Class Cs and Super Cs real soon. It will be very thorough on the Super C segment. So stay tuned! :-)
I made a video about the 10 year rule that explains how it is not as serious as so many people seem to think it is and also explains why it is in place. You can view it here - ua-cam.com/video/T_ltXALbE8M/v-deo.html
Thanks for this informative video that reinforced what research I had previously done. There are many blog blurbs about happiness with Newmar and Tiffen. The good news is ALL RV's depreciate rapidly after purchase and there are plenty of used Newmar and Tiffen coaches for sale at competitive prices. The real bargains for sane buyers who will not pay dealership prices are 10-20 year old coaches with low miles and indoor storage. You have to look harder to find the right one, but you will pay a small fraction of the price of a new one and THAT is happiness.
You are so right Michael. In fact, I made a video just a few weeks ago about how much you can save by buying a Class A from the years 2000-2007. Here is the link - ua-cam.com/video/pUL_CqXLf_8/v-deo.html Thanks for watching and leaving such a nice comment!
I so appreciate hearing your thoughts on these issues. It is hard to find good info on quality brands.
Glad it was helpful Randy. I appreciate the positive feedback!
Just bought a 2005 holiday rambler vacationer 36wdd, always stored inside , mint condition!
Sounds great Ralph. I hope you enjoy your new-to-you rig!
I own a 2017 Winnebago Vista 35f LX. Thank you for including the Vista. It's been a great coach.
I agree. Winnebago makes some great gas powered Class As. For some reason I get resistance from some viewers for listing Winnebago as a quality manufacturer. So I am glad that you posted your positive experience here. Thanks!
Another great video. This should be required viewing for anyone looking to buy a coach. Thanks again from a Wanderlodge owner.
That's much appreciated BSF. Thanks for watching and leaving such a nice comment!
Thank you. I'm glad my 22 Entegra Vision made your cut. You are correct on having an RV inspector, I didn't and I've had several problems that the inspector would have caught before I made the 500 mile trip to buy our Entegra.
Unfortunately these days an inspector is needed even on new RV sales. But once you get the bugs worked out, I think you will be happy with your Entegra. Good choice!
@@RVInspectionAndCare Thank you. I'm going to have a rear Liquid Spring suspension installed in February. I enjoy your videos and your knowledge. Thank you.
I hear nothing but great things about Liquid Spring. Please let me know how it turns out for you.
@@RVInspectionAndCare I will give an update for sure. I hate to spend over 13k, but if it improves the ride like the videos I've watched it will be worth it. Now if I could quiet down the noisy engine so I can hear the radio it would be great.
I really liked your videos very informative. Maybe you could make a video on these ultra rvs?
You mean high end Class As like Newell and Foretravel?
Hello, great informative video thanks for this! Can you tell me your thoughts on the Timberwolf black label 39ALBL as a destination trailer? Thanks
Forest River makes the Timberwolf and FR is not on my recommended list of RV brands. But this is a destination trailer so it's more difficult for me to say as I haven't had much experience with them. If you do choose the Timberwolf be sure to use an RV inspector first and get any issues that are found fixed before taking delivery. And bear in mind that FR has had issues with customer service too.
@@RVInspectionAndCare Thanks so much for the fast reply! Ok I understand and value your opinion really appreciate it! Take care!
There's a lot of good coaches out there. maybe you should do a video on which ones not to buy. And what chassis to stay away from
Actually Don, I prefer to take a more positive tone on this channel. I could make videos about RVs I don't like and those videos would probably do better on UA-cam if I did. But I prefer to work at things from the other direction. If you see me recommend an RV on my channel you know that it is at least worthy of a little more consideration than normal. And if anyone disagrees with my recommendations that's fine.
@@RVInspectionAndCare I get that but I would like to have a list of RVs that you wouldn't Buy. And it seems like it would be more helpful
I’ve had Thor since 2016 love it
Thanks for sharing your experience here.
great video thx we just purchased /took delivery on newmar 2022 bay star 3124
You got a great coach there. As I said in the video, Newmar builds them right. Enjoy that new motorhome!
My 2nd video. Guess you already applied my suggestion. Lol. Great trustworthy thorough vids. Thank you.
Thanks for watching and leaving positive feedback too Kal!
informative video 👍👍👍👍
I'm glad it was helpful. Thanks for watching and have safe and happy travels!
How is the 2003 Newmar Dutch star Diesel pusher. What should I be looking for when buying this specific model
The years between 2000 - 2007 were a very good time for motorhomes, especially Class As. In my opinion, some of the best diesel pusher motorhomes were produced during that period. That's why I own a 2004 Newmar Kountry Star DP. But all of those rigs are around 20 years old now. So there is nothing specific to look for as much as verifying that all of the systems and equipment on the coach are working properly and in good shape. So if you want to know how to buy an older motorhome like that the right way just download my guidebook on buying used RVs. You can get find it here - payhip.com/b/cPLl
@@RVInspectionAndCare Thank you very much Duane
Thank you Duane for great information as always! SAFE TRAVELS
You're very welcome Ron. All the best!
What’s your opinion on older Country Coaches ? ? Thx great video 👍
I think they are some of the best quality motorhomes ever built. Especially those made in the early to mid 2000's. If you can find one these days that has been cared for really well, it may be a great buy. Just make sure to have it thoroughly inspected first.
Interesting.... Thanks so much for how and where to start at least. Good information
Glad it was helpful Ricky. Thanks for watching!
Good info! Thank you!
Glad it was helpful Donald. And thanks for watching and leaving a nice comment!
Thank you for your video, very interesting.
Glad you enjoyed it. And thanks for watching and commenting too!
As usual, great infod, TKS
Thanks for the great feedback Claude!
Does Beaver Marquis Amythyst have good quality components? Thanks
Beaver was a great manufacturer that is no longer in business. But I do recommend Beaver as a coach that should be considered if you are looking for an older Class A RV.
@@RVInspectionAndCare Would you please advise what are the disadvantages if Beaver is out of business? I am thinking of buying a 2000 Beaver Marquis Amythyst. Thanks so much for your help.
@@thomasca7606 Actually lots of great older Class A manufacturers are no longer in business now. Many didn't survive the economic downturn in 2008. I wouldn't be too concerned about buying one of those coaches though as the vast majority of equipment and appliances in them is common among most other RVs as well. But I would be sure to get a thorough RV inspection on a coach of that age though. There could be lots of hidden problems that only a good RV inspection could find for you.
@@RVInspectionAndCare thanks so much.
What is your opinion about National brand ? They are a little old but seams well built .
I have a National Sur Side 2007 gas (very happy with it ) but I would like to switch for a diesel one . ( also National but diesel) or should I go with a newer brand ?
Thanks 🙏
National built a pretty coach IMO. But when you buy an older RV like that the most important consideration is how well it has been cared for by the owner(s) over the years. So an RV inspection by a certified NRVIA inspector before you buy it is a must in these cases. I hope that helps.
prevost and the others you mentioned
That's a great suggestion and I plan on getting a video together on the ultra high end Class A brands soon. So stay tuned! :-)
You hit the nail square on the head when you said "Newmar" being the best. I'm planning on purchasing an RV in the near future, I've been doing my "Do Diligence" on the quality of a Class A, and Newmar has been my top choice. Now I'm in the process of starting over, because I've fallen in love with the "Super Class C" with a matching stacker trailer. in which Newmar is still my front runner.
While on the subject of quality RVs. Being a "Quality Inspector", I'm quit sure you have inspected alot of trailers. Me personally I've found the "Grand Design" to be the "Far worse" RV you can buy. I've haven't heard anything good about them. From watching UA-cam channels I've discovered alot of people having major issues with them. It's like you'll spend more money on repairs on them then what you pay for them.
What do you think?
Hi Yvette. Newmar is certainly one of the best higher production Class A manufacturers out there. And their Super C lineup is fabulous, with the Supreme Aire being incredible.
As far as Grand Design is concerned, I really don't know why so many are trashing them, except to say that I think GD has had serious issues with keeping their quality up through the pandemic and all the challenges it threw their way.
But GD won the Trailer Life Reader's Choice Gold Award for 2018 and 2019 and received the Silver award in 2020. These are awards that are based on feedback from the Trailer Life readers, RV owners, not the industry. So clearly there are plenty of GD owners that are very happy with their RV.
And truthfully, all of the high production travel trailer builders had problems in the last 2 - 3 years due to Covid's effects on the industry.
But GD seems to be a bigger target for quality problems than most. This may be because of their stellar reputation in earlier years. Anyhow, what issues did you find on GD products that you felt were not right?
There are so many. I don't want to "Name Drop" and call out the UA-cam channel, but there is one guy in particular, a large percentage of his videos is of him complaining about issues he's having with his Grand Design, among with other RV channels.
Also I want to thank you for the Super Class C recommendation. I'm going to look it up now, I'm hoping it's like one I haven't seen before.
I just looked at the Supreme Aire, didn't like it. I thought I had the video saved so I could tell you which one I'm partial too. It has a large "Sunroof" I'm going into my achieves to see if I can find it, then I'll let you know.
@@mzyvettecrenshaw9670 Well, it's not really fair to me to blackball an entire brand solely on the strength of one bad RV. The truth is that as long as RVs are made by hand, it's possible to get a poorly built RV in any brand. That's why the Trailer Life award means more to me than someone just dissatisfied with their personal RV. The simple truth is that GD has sold so many RVs in the last 8 years or so that there is bound to be a few clunkers in the bunch. But the Trailer Life award proves to me at least that overall GD owners are happy with what they have.
@@mzyvettecrenshaw9670 The other Super C that Newmar makes is the Super Star. That may be what you had in mind.
Yes it WAS Thank you Very Much
So glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for watching!
You should do the same video but talking about used class C motorhomes. I meant to say used class A motorhomes
I'll see what I can do. Thanks for the suggestion!
Mid entry coachs are the best
Thanks for watching and sharing your opinion with us.
Enjoy your videos, why did you not mention the Prevost?
I get asked that question a lot. But the reason for not including Prevost is the same for also not including Foretravel and Newell. They are all incredibly well built Class A RVs. But they are also very high end and are made in very limited production numbers. My lists focus on the brands that are affordable RVs for most people that have reasonably solid production numbers. Thanks for asking and watching the video!
I love your UA-cam video and have learned a lot, can you tell me your opinion on the Thor motorhome?
Actually Thor motorhomes can be a good choice in my opinion. They are pretty much average when it comes to build quality when compared with their competitors, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing as long as you thoroughly inspect the coach before you buy and get all the issues addressed. But I would compare the cost of a Thor rig with products from Newmar, Tiffin and Entegra in a similar price range and see what you like best. But if the Thor has a floor plan and setup that you like best, it's well worth consideration IMO.
I noticed that you didn't mention the Newell
Hi James. I didn't include Newell for two reasons. First, it is what I consider one of the premium luxury brands like Foretravel and Prevost. So it's kind of in a whole different category than the other Class As mentioned in the video. Also, they don't build very many Newells each year either. They focus on quality and take their time. So I feel that it isn't fair to compare brands that are built on more of a production basis with those that are at the extreme high end of the category. With that said, I highly recommend a Newell to anyone who can afford them. They are truly amazing coaches.
Would you do a video on which class a gas and diesels motor homes that are better to full time in?
That's a great idea Rick and Darci. Thanks for the suggestion. I'll put it on the list! :-)
To have an RV technician would be the best option for inspection, someone whose trade goes beyond the scope of an inspector unless the inspector's trade was a tech. You can read a pile of books and pass a test to become a home inspector and have zero experience as a builder and something tells me it would be the same in the RV industry.
Actually I have come across lots of RV service techs that I would not trust to inspect an RV for me. There is a major shortage of qualified and knowledgeable RV service techs in the industry right now. And that is obvious because of all the complaints that so many RVers are lodging about poor work being done by RV service centers and some mobile techs as well. And NRVIA certified RV inspectors do not just "read a pile of books and pass a test" to become certified. It's a very intensive, hands-on training that requires the student to perform inspections on real world units properly to be certified. For me, I will choose a certified RV inspector who knows what they are doing and has the software that guides them through a complete and thorough inspection every time. But everybody is entitled to their opinion, so choose whoever you like for your RV inspection.
When I look at the American Eagle and Dream and compare them to Newmar,Tiffin,Entegra, I see a coach with superior styling and accessories. They offer no carpet floors, electronic steering, adaptive cruise (not Tiffin). Entegra is finally catching on about cabinet colors but still not up to American Coach. Just my humble opinion
Hi John. Actually a good case could be made for American Coach. But I personally did not feel that they are quite up to the standards set by the other manufacturers in the higher cost category, especially in terms of customer service. Of course, like I said in the video, everyone is free to have their own opinion on this kind of subject matter. But I'm not dissing American Coach in any way. They make fine Class A motorhomes.
Wow great info. Did you also do one for class c?
Sorry Debbie, but I haven't finished that one yet. But it should be ready soon. So stay tuned and thanks for watching!
What is your opinion of the coachmen encore 375
Actually there are a lot of things that I like about the Coachmen smaller Class As. But I just can't put them on my recommended list due to their poor reputation for initial build quality and customer support. For the same money, there are other Class A RVs that would be a better choice in those areas. You might consider some of the Jayco offerings instead.
I've heard good things about Prevost and Newell that you didn't mention. Are you negative on them or do you just have no exposure to them?
Good question. There are a few Class A motorhome manufacturers that are in a class of their own at the super high end of the market. That includes Marathon Prevost, Newell and Foretravel. I feel that it's just not fair to compare them with mass produced motorhomes that are much less expensive. They are all great though and I will be doing a video about them in the near future.
what about used ones ? And is there a cutoff where you are just buying a headache ? I drove a 1998 country coach, oy ! Looked pretty good in the pictures, but a whole list of issues....and he was asking 25K, JD power said 13K for retail, low retail, 10K and even at 10, it feels like you are overpaying !!
As I said in the video, when you buy an older RV a lot depends on how well it has been maintained. I have seen 25 year old rigs that are in great shape and I have seen 5 year old rigs that are trashed. The only way to know the real shape of an older RV is to get an inspection by a certified NRVIA inspector before you buy.
Great information. I love Newmar, Tiffan, Entegra, Fleetwood, Holiday Ramber which is sister brand of Fleetwood but the Newmar Baystar interior ,design and space layout is definitely not that great at that price point IMO. The Newmar Canyon star which used to be a gasser a few yrs back and maybe still not sure is great! ALL other Newmars are Excellent quality! I see that you did not mention American Couch in a higher price range have you seen the new 2022 American Eagle 45E it looks like a custom couch absolutely stunning. Jayco and Forest River Georgetown look very, very , very low quality construction inside. I have seen a few newer Jayco's that don't look to bad but the quality is poor. Now this video gave viewers great informacion and so true what you said at the end!
Hi Ary. Thanks for commenting so well on your thoughts about Class A MHs. As I said in the video, everyone has opinions and there is a good chance that yours may differ from mine in some areas. Please keep in mind that as an RV inspector, I don't just make my choices based on floor plan or interior fit and finish. I try to focus also on build quality in the whole coach and not just the areas that you can see easily. That's why I made the comment in the video that even though I could recommend the Georgetown and Jayco's too, I also said that you would clearly see some fit and finish issues especially compared to the more expensive Class As on my list. American Coach in my opinion does build a very good product, but I personally don't feel that their quality is quite up to par with Newmar or Tiffin and from what I can tell their customer service also doesn't have as good a reputation as the others on my list either. If that improves, they will certainly be on my list in the future. Thanks for watching the video and making such a nice comment though!
We are considering a new King Aire, but I am not sure they're worth the $1.5 million MSRP. I think Foretravel is the biggest competition for the KA. American Coach have improved the last couple of years.
Actually Roy, any one of those coaches would be a great choice. What a wonderful dilemma you have ! :-)
Do you have a list of the best class B vans you can buy,
Not yet Dorothy. But it will be coming soon. Stay tuned! :-)
Is 2005 Newmar Northern Star a good model or should I choose the 3 models that you mentioned: Mountain Air, Dutch Star.... Also should I buy the motorhome with back radiator? Thanks so much
only choose the 3 models you mentioned?
Actually anything made by Newmar is worth serious consideration. And if I had to do it over again, I would get a side radiator coach, but I wouldn't reject a good RV on that basis alone. I hope that helps.
This is funny. I just watched the other video on this topic, just minutes a go for the 2nd time. Are Class A Rv between 30 and 35 ft hard to maneuver??? I Keep wondering about right turns in town.
LOL ... well that's pretty good timing for this video, huh? Actually smaller Class As like the ones between 30 - 35 feet are much easier to drive and maneuver than the bigger 40 footers. In general, the longer the rig, the more focus you need to drive safely. And making right turns is definitely a skill that you need to master in a Class A. I recommend finding a large empty parking lot nearby and practicing making turns and other maneuvers with your Class A before taking it on the road. That worked really well for us.
Does Newmar have better quality than Tiffin, that was why you said Newmar first? Do Newmar Mountain Aire have better quality than Newmar Northern Aire? Thanks
Hi Thomas. Newmar and Tiffin are at the top of the Class A market and I would say that they are pretty even in terms of quality and customer service. And my quality rating applies to all of their models too.
Hello I'm Rohan Boswell ,I'm on the hunt for and older RV 9oies up,what's your advice
I have created several guidebooks for used RVs. You can view them here - payhip.com/RVInspectionAndCare They provide all of my recommendations for brands and models to choose from. I hope that helps.
What are your thoughts on the American Coach, especially the two upper priced models of the American Dream and the American Eagle? We have looked at the 2021-2022 $500K+ and are impressed with American Coach. Honestly, having owned a Monaco for a decade that we bought new, and my family having owned both Tiffins and Newmars, I have to say the "quality" workmanship doesn't seem to be that exquisite as it was just a few years ago. I think all industries are having trouble finding good quality people and therefor the business, no matter the industry, suffers because of it. You're thoughts? One more thing, I know that the REV group owns American Coach and bought Monaco back in the day, what do you think of this company?
Theses are all great questions. I highly recommend American Coach, especially the older ones. For many years, American Coach was the higher end product made by Fleetwood. But now both companies are owned by REV along with Renegade and Holiday Rambler. And the new ownership still seems to be turning out a quality product compared to their competition. It's true that modern RVs have still not returned to the quality products made years ago, especially the pre-2008 models. But what you have you to look for today in RV brands is a level of quality that is higher than their competition puts out, and American Coach fits that criteria. It may not match the quality level of years ago, but if you buy a better brand these days and then inspect it to have all the bugs worked out, you can still get a quality RV from the first day of ownership. I hope that helps.
@@RVInspectionAndCare Thank you so much! Verrry good advice. Do you recommend an RV inspector in the Dallas area?
@@yesher12 I don't know any inspectors in the Dallas area personally. But there is an exceptionally good inspector in the Austin area that may be willing to travel for the inspection. His name is Don Baker and his website is at - www.dbrvinspections.com/ If Don can't perform the inspection for you, he may be able to suggest someone in the Dallas area that he recommends. I hope that helps. 🙂
Excellent video, spot on! Be nice to hear what you think about used used diesel pushers and which ones you think wouldstill have good guts and bones to them. I’m seriously thinking about getting a used country coach because they were ahead of it’s time in quality and features in the early 2000s they sold for $700,000 back then. Remodel and update the inside and have a well built diesel pusher under $250,000
That's a great idea David. Thanks for the suggestion. I'll put it on the list for future video topics. And BTW, early 2000s Country Coach's have a great reputation for build materials and build quality. You are absolutely right that buying an older one that has been cared for and updating it is not only a cost effective choice, but the coach itself would be better made than almost anything being turned out of the factory these days.
@@RVInspectionAndCare Really appreciate your feedback and have a blessed day!
@@RVInspectionAndCare Had an idea for that used diesel pusher video. Nice to compare Foretravel, Monaco and Country Coach.
Thanks for the suggestion David. I'll see what I can do.
Good advice, but it looks like the entire RV and automobile market is in a bubble, like many other markets, and waiting a few months may save one a lot of $
I agree that it's a pretty hot sales market now for RVs. But how long it will last is anybody's guess at this point. But if a sizeable chunk of the new RVers that bought rigs during Covid decide to sell, used RV prices will definitely be affected. We'll see ....
Does Newmar have better quality than Country Coach? When you say Newmar first on the list, does that mean Newmar have the highest quality? Thanks so much for your information.
I would say that both Newmar and Country Coach are very high quality Class A RVs. Either one would be a fine choice.
WHAT ABOUT PREVOST
I don't include Prevost, Foretravel or Newell in these Class A discussions as they are on the ultra high end of the market, are produced in very limited quantities, and cost too much for the average RVer.
It would be interesting to hear what super c models that you think are best? Hopefully you either did or will do a video on these.
Actually Joe, I will be releasing a buying and ratings guide for Class Cs and Super Cs real soon. It will be very thorough on the Super C segment. So stay tuned! :-)
@@RVInspectionAndCare Sounds good.
Why do RV parks not want anything older thN 10yrs? The ones from 10 years ago were the tail end of the best.
I made a video about the 10 year rule that explains how it is not as serious as so many people seem to think it is and also explains why it is in place. You can view it here - ua-cam.com/video/T_ltXALbE8M/v-deo.html