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I love your videos. As someone who grew up in Lake Ronkonkoma and would sneak in and ice skate at the cenacle (donated by Maude Adams) till the nuns chased us off the property. I am overwhelmed with the need to inform you that you are pronoucing Lake Ronkonkoma wrong, You are absolutely slaughtering the name of my little hometown hamlet. If you want I will happily voice chat with you for a moment just to give you the proper way to pronounce Lake Ronkonkoma. FYI look into legends about Lake Ronkonkoma could be another video in it for you
@@KazRowe I really admire what you do I’ve learned so much through your channel- You remind me of my Beautiful ex- Jewish GF . anywhooooooo Keep doing your thing Respect ✊🏿
I really relate to that queer/neurodivergent/mentally ill feeling of feeling more like an adult when you're a kid and more like a kid when you're an adult
“[When] a new baby laughs for the first time a new fairy is born, and as there are always new babies there are always new fairies. They live in nests on the tops of trees; and the mauve ones are boys and the white ones are girls, and the blue ones are just little sillies who are not sure what they are.” that is my favorite quote from the book
I studied Peter Pan in college, and this quote about Hook has stuck with me for more than 25 years: “In the dark nature there was a touch of the feminine, as in all the great pirates, and it sometimes gave him intuitions.” - Peter Pan, Chapter 8: “The Mermaid’s Lagoon”
As a five year old, I fiercely insisted on having "peter pan hair", aka a pixie cut, despite obviously having no concept of the genderbending and LGBTQ history of the character. I guess you can say it was a foreshadowing of things to come.
Interesting take on Peter Pan, a story I love very much. You did forget that J.M. Barrie's brother, who was his mother's favorite, died in childhood. His mother sank into depression and basically ignored Barrie, telling him "you will grow up and become a man, but your brother will always be a little boy". I always thought the story of Peter and everyone idolizing him/ his love and fear of motherly love was based on this time in Barrie's life. I'm sure his sexuality played some role, but there's never just one influence in the creation of a classic.
That does seem to be the connection underlying the timeless appeal of these classics, and why they resonate for eons, are those multi-layered influences. Each of us is able to approach them and recognize something within them that resonates with us. So, when we discover these other aspects of them, they become so much more. Thus, these stories are very hard to write. As one who has struggled with the craft of writing for a decade, weaving those pieces together into one is a rare and wonderful thing.
Thank you SO much for addressing the rumours of pedophilia- as an asexual who adored Peter Pan as a kid, I cling to him perhaps a bit more than I should, and I've always taken those with a grain of salt, because it seems to boil down to "well he didn't have lovers" and "well he liked being around kids", both of which apply to myself as well, and it's just- it's so dehumanizing to me, to see people who literally can't imagine that there wasn't some sex scandal. They'd rather imagine him as some monster than try to imagine a life of asexuality, too. (obviously it's problematic to apply labels to historical figures, but I'm using it to illustrate how I see him, and how I identify with him).
YES it's so messed up that people these days cannot fathom a relationship between a kid and a non-related adult that isn't predatory or whatever. like bro maybe _you're_ the one that needs to stop sexualizing children if that's where your mind automatically goes
I'm aroace and it's becoming one of my pet peeves among the queer community that every bachelor in history is at times considered gay. Now, obviously some of them were, like I don't disagree with this video on Maude at all. But, it's aspec erasure to assume that every one who never married and never showed interest in opposite gender partners must have been with same gender partners. Some people were just genuinely not interested in people, but apparently we can't imagine that.
As a gay man who's always wanted to be a dad and adores children, I understand your pain, I really do. However that being said it is better to be safer than sorry, and for as long as trusted adults victimize children, people in close contact with kids will be assumed as such.
It's very unfortunate that men who just genuinely like to hang out with kids are viewed as so suspect. My dad is one such man, and he's honestly one of the nicest people I've ever met and would never hurt a kid. My mom also loves children, of course she'd marry a guy who felt the same way! Edit to add another funfact: My mom is a black woman, and grew up in rural Oregon, so she was very keenly aware of what racism is and how harmful it can be. Therefore, whenever my brother and I would watch Disney's Peter Pan, my mom would jump up and fast-forward through the parts with the racist caricatures. As a result, I didn't see any of those parts until I was a teenager watching the movie at my friend's house at a sleepover, and I was shocked. A few years later my brother had the same experience but as a 20 year old adult. When you're older and know what racism is, old cartoons like that are just... something else.
I get why people consider these racial caricatures offensive, but the whole point of Neverland is that is is made up of _storybook characters_ come to life. They aren't meant to be _real_ Indians or pirates or mermaids (not that there such things as "real" mermaids) but the kind of characters who would be found in children's literature of the time. I think that's an important thing to remember and does make a difference.
@@christophersmith3341 I would argue that children don't know the difference between fiction and nonfiction when so young. And if you don't tell them that the way the characters are depicted are offensive and not real, they won't know those are stereotypes. Additionally, I don't think adults during that time period cared about accuracy so wouldn't care if their children thought of those stereotypes as real. Hell the adults probably believed in those stereotypes themselves. It's not the same as modern days where racial minorities are somewhat able to have a voice in how their culture is portrayed by outsiders. Children are influenced by the media they consume, saying that's just how it was I think negates the impact of the media. Critical thinking is something we cultivate, not something we're born with. I'm living evidence of not realizing how bad the stereotypes in the Peter Pan movie were when I was a child. I thought Native Americans looked and acted like how they did in the movie bc it was one of my rare exposures to natives in media and was never told otherwise. This stuff genuinely impacts your perception of people as a child because the line between reality and fiction is a lot harder to parse.
@@l33machine But the story makes it EXPLICIT that these are fairy tale/fantasy characters, not examples of real people. It is literally stated that Neverland is the place where children's storybooks come to life. But clearly we live in a world where, if there's a chance of taking offense, people are going to take offense. Hence your several upvotes to my none. I think it's important that Barrie wasn't claiming to depict realistic Indians (or pirates). And, as I kid, I never took the characters in any version of Peter Pan to be realistic, apart from maybe Wendy and her borthers. I never though of the Indian characters representing real Indians (I grew up in the 70's, when depictions of Native Americans was more prominent than it had been before, maybe more than it is now). Did you take them to be realistic?
@@christophersmith3341 Explains, but does not excuse, unfortunately. I would be kind of interested to see what kind of "storybook indians" they put in these days. I'd like to hope that kids' media these days is way more respectful, and therefore so would they. My Alaskan Native partner's future children deserve some positive representation in their cartoons for once.
Wow, I didn’t know about any of this before your video! Queer history really does seem to go totally unnoticed by the general public, or at least it feels that way to me.
Plus the usual mindset at the time and sometimes today "if you ignore it, it didn't exist". Some historians are quick at casting every evidence of a persons queernes aside.
Unfortunately, I feel like that is because if they were to come out as so, they would get attacked or even killed. If you were to go missing, that’s it. No one would be able to find you, because not only did police not do anything about it, if they knew you were not a person within the standards of society, they’re not going to look for you. Forensics were also sorely lacking, which is how serial killers were able to get away so easily; like, the dudes literally had to be caught red-handed in order to even be arrested. Though, people who came out as queer, of color, or out of societal standards are known for their bravery, a lot of people were scared and rightfully so. Luckily, we have people telling their stories and we are learning more today.
well, since peter is usually played by a girl, and wendy has a crush on him, that means wendy is technically flirting with a lady. as the actress has to fawn over "him" and have banter with him, even more if she tries to kiss "him". what is interesting is how crossdressing was taboo back in the 19th century yet theatre was given a pass.
@@finland4ever55Theater always involved cross dressing, just usually the other direction. It was common for men to play women in Shakespeare’s plays, or in Greek plays, for instance. In the 19th and early 20th centuries, there were women in stage, but they were presumed to be “fallen” women anyway, so asking them to play cross gender wasn’t much of a leap. It was also a common trope at the time to have cross dressing acts in vaudeville. The author of Fingersmith and Tipping the Velvet wrote some excellent historically based novels using this. Sexy and worth the read (as long as you can bear reading how very poorly such women were treated at the time!)
I totally relate to your experience of watching Peter Pan 2003 as a child. However the feelings of wanting to be like Peter and loving Wendy were also contrasted with the conflicting feelings of wanting to be Wendy and loving Peter. It seems I had a very bisexual experience. Figures.
I wanted to be(with) Jason Isaac's Captain Hook SO BAD, I have no idea why it took so long for me to figure out I was gay trans man lol I watched that movie everyday just to stare at Hook
@@possomt6211 same I was upset when Wendy showed that she liked Peter but would also be upset when Peter accepted Wendy lmao, I was a greedy little gay kid without knowing it
For me the “secret sinister darkness” in Peter Pan is what happened to poor Bobbie Driscoll and how Disney was more or less responsible for ruining his life. It’s so interesting to hear about the original stage play and Barrie’s original vision for the work itself and the history of the play since it’s inception
I really really really appreciate you discussing queer history like this. It's often framed with queer discourse nowadays that younger folks are just queer for fun and for a fad. Your channel really highlights how queer people have ALWAYS been around, it's just now that we're able to explore and be ourselves instead of hiding in the shadows.
From 2005 to 2012, I worked in a coffee shop in the Little 5 Points area of Atlanta, Georgia; during that time I encountered quite a few people (male and female; coworkers and customers) who were "fashionably bisexual", there were various configurations including one where the core couple (male\female) each had a same gender " side piece". This disturbed me because, being a good bit older than than these people, I remember the hedonism of the 1970's and how, to reference Marvin the Paranoid Android, it ended in tears, more often than not. A romantic pairing, of any type, hetero or homosexual, of just two people is a difficult enough dance; to add more elements may add spice, but it also increases, exponentially, the chances for drama and sadness. But then, society's obsession with sexuality, in all its myriad permutations, has always puzzled me. Aren't there better things to do than angst over someone else's sex life? We love who we love, and love is love; cliches, but still true.
When I was younger, for years, I would tell people I was bisexual and laughed at for it. For YEARS. Some people weren't being fashionable we really just fucking are.
Went down a Barrymore family Wikipedia rabbit hole a few weeks ago. Somehow missed the connection to Maude, but ended up at Clement Scott. A critic that said theatre is a gateway to Hell basically.
I don't know, Spiderman Turn Off the Dark sure felt like being in hell. It was like being force fed ice cream all day and night except it tastes like licking the floor of a public restroom, so pretty much hell.
@@jeremysmith4620 yikes. I mean it sounds like heartless cashgrab theatre. In Japan that type of theatre is very popular but done with a lot of dedication cause the fan base is super dedicated. Marvel/ DC fans seem to accept anything (no offense lol) Patrick Stewart in a Christmas Carol was still my fav (I saw it when our parents took us when we were little) Edit: Our uncle took my brother and I to see a Resident Evil Theatre production it was really good despite the small amount of scenery. Sailor moon is always pretty was good too. Plus in Japan the bigger production give you small gift bags if you see it early.
@@SaintShion I am not saying that I wouldn't axe murder a whole bus full of school children to see Sir Pat live in A Christmas carol. Definitely not saying it. Thinking it? Imma plead the 5th on that one.
I love this video! Her Mayflower and Mormon connection prompted me to do some research and I discovered that I’m related to Maude Adams. If it wasn’t for this video I probably wouldn’t have made this magical little discovery. Thanks for making such fascinating content!
This has made me desperately want a movie about J.M. Barrie and Robert Louis Stevenson writing letters to each other (+how that all could relate to their mutual affinity for stories about pirates, to the point of them now sharing a legacy as probably the two most impactful authors when it comes to depictions of piracy in pop culture)
The boy who played Peter in 2003 was part of why I figured out I was gay so early. He was probably one of my first childhood crushes. Him or the guy from the little vampire. Cool to know I wasn't the only one that movie effected
The collective obsession me and all my friends had with this movie is insane, but especially with Peter. My 8 year old self thought he was literally perfect (and that crush still hadn't faded when I was 19, because a quote from him was my first tattoo 😅)
I know exactly what you're talking about those were both of my childhood crushes. 10 years later I realized I was gay and my first gf kinda looked liked these dudes.
Am trans guy, definitely relate to the 'never growing up' aspect of Peter pan. I remember being 8 and realising that my options for growing up were 'lady' or 'woman' and was horrified by my choices.
I’m cis female and I can relate to this. I remember when I was on the brink of puberty, distinctly unthrilled with the imminent “welcome to menstrual cycle monthly” bumper fun pack! But worse than that, having to contend with the socio/sexual expectations of everything that comes with coming of age brought me the horrors. I have at last attained magnificent spinsterdom and I’m fine. Nobody gives a crap what you present as when you’re old and it is so liberating. Growing up is hard, but growing old has considerably less horrors for me, and far less expectations.
I was a really dumb kid lmao,I always assumed I’d grow up to be a man..even when my chest started growing. It wasn’t until the whole monthly thing came and took that hope right away from me, only until it was obvious that I wouldn’t grow up into a man I realized what I technically would grow into,which sucked. But I’m transitioning as a teenager so technically I AM growing up into a man
It would be cool if we could have switched bodies like before birth. I had to deal with testosterone turning me into some man beast. Yuck. Fixed it later, though.
Not exactly the main point but after hearing about Frohmans death I was moved I had to look into it more. He had a cane and pain in 1 knee so jumping into the lifeboats wouldve been hard. He tied lifejackets to babys cradles before his own death. A very kind man!
as a child, i was always obsessed with stories like peter pan, alice in wonderland, and the wizard of oz because of the promise that any ordinary child could be whisked away and have an adventure of a lifetime. they all still mean so much to me even as an adult. i was also obsessed with the 2003 adaptation when it came out and became re-obsessed with it in middle school, half because i went through a tomboy phase and wanted to be peter, and the other half because i realized my best friend looked like wendy and i didn't realize i was in love with her. so a world where i could be peter and my best friend could be wendy was so ideal for me.
This hits me at soooo many levels. Amazing piece. I am stunned. For one, I had a great Aunt Helen (born 1912 or so) who never married, worked as a teacher for 40 years, travelled all over the world twice, and never, ever married. She lived in Toronto for the majority of her teaching career, teaching new immigrant kids… because, as she said… "They appreciated the value of a good education”. And, it's only been recently that I actually got to thinking of how strange that was. My grandma and her even made this pact that our family would always take care of her, since she would never marry. I always assumed that was because she wanted to have a career, not a husband. Grandma helped her pay for her education, and she went to teacher's college across from where I now live. And, her sister when she died threw out all her pictures and letters. We were livid. I couldn't understand why, till recently. The other level, is that it never occurred to me this side of Peter Pan, and I am truly stunned.
I am honestly astounded at how accepting my family has always been, only to always to find out they had a friend who was gay. I remember telling my grandmother and grandfather many moons ago that a friend had a boyfriend. From then on they always asked how they were. Ordinary chat. They were happy for them. Although not the best phrasing my grandmother said "all of us always knew one of them". People got it then and forever. Religious donations became the problem. Biblical twisting became the problem.
26:30 - Thanks for the shout out towards the 2003 film since I feel it needs more attention. Also, how likely will we see an Anna May Wong essay / episode from you? She's so awesome and also a classic Hollywood crush of mine.
@@KazRowe I speak for myself and possibly 52 other people who liked my question above that we're all looking forward to the Anna May Wong video! Also, love your channel overall with the ghost ships / sea ghosts one being a particular favorite.
53:52 haha Schenectady is pronounced like "skin-NECK-tady," so you almost got it! It always makes history feel closer when you learn that someone lived in your hometown. I never would have guessed that the most iconic Peter Pan worked with GE. Far from the most important thing in the video, but important to me, so thanks :)
For me (a trans Peter Pan fan) I have never felt like Peter; but I have always and will always be a lost boy. In fact I tell people my gender is lost boy often. Thank you Kaz, for this video. There was a lot that I already knew and I lot that I got to learn. I did have to pause it a few times to cry but overall I think you have brought an new light to my undying love for all things Neverland. Also: your costume was amazing and the Wendy in the background had such a perfect dress!!
There's so much tragedy in the history of Peter Pan, I'm glad you could emphasize the positive aspects, not only of its history but of Maude Adams herself. I grew up in the theater and knew her name but never knew anything beyond the name and its association with Peter Pan. Thank you for filling in the gaps for me.
This is so validating! When I was 12 I played Peter Pan in the musical and was devastated when it ended. I then came out at a trans man when I was 15… so cool to see the queer legacy goes back to the very beginning of its creation.
Kaz, I need to say: I really, really enjoy your adventures in history not usually (if at all) talked about. It's always engaging and when I'm with my lovely queer friends, it's all we discuss. Thank you, and please, encore!
So I'm non-binary and I definitely struggled with being young, trans-masc, and not being able to see myself older. I related to Peter a lot in that aspect of staying a boy and not becoming a man. I knew I didn't want to be a woman, but a man? Not with the gender expectations and roles I grew up around! My first musical theatre performance I did was Peter Pan, and I loved it and heavily related to "I Won't Grow Up". Becoming an adult seemed like such a giant leap from a kid, not in just what you do, but how you thought and carried yourself. No thank you! The way we characterize boys versus men, especially when I was younger, was much less masculine. I could be a boy because I didn't need to be hyper masculine or feminine. But a man needed to be super masculine. But now that I've gotten older, and the expectations of the gender binary have lessened, I'm seeing myself as me. Wow this got longer than I thought it would be. Basically, I'm glad that I wasn't alone in my thoughts about my queerness, gender, and Peter.
I was just a LITTLE too old for Peter Pan 2003, but Hook was one of my favorite movies as a kid. Fun fact, Dustin Hoffman and Bob Hoskins decided between themselves to play Hook and Smee as a gay couple, and now that's all I can see when I watch! Also, as a (gay) trans man, I was never drawn to Peter Pan... BUT I have always been incredibly drawn to Link from Legend of Zelda, whose design is very clearly based on him!
Man, this brought me close to tears several times over. Thank you for making my world a little brighter. (and I did clap for tink, thank you very much)
I struggled with my gender a lot growing up. I didn’t know why but I always felt uncomfortable portraying any sort of masculine traits and found myself wishing that boys would treat me like they did girls in tv shows (like Disney and stuff). I even had an account on that old Clone Wars Adventures game when I was in like 4-5th grade that I pretended to be a girl on because of how everyone would basically fawn over girl players. Even going so far as to have a “boyfriend” on there. I definitely feel bad for basically manipulating him but the sad truth is that was the happiest that I ever was during that time of my life. Despite that I never found myself wanting to BE a girl but I also hated the idea of becoming a man. I had never heard of any LGBT terminology growing up so I literally had nothing to do with my feelings and I was to scared to talk about it with anyone. Well after years of learning from the internet and doing a lot of self reflection I realized that I’m non-binary, a term that i didn’t even know existed until maybe 3 years ago when I was 20. I guess that’s what happens when kids grow up learning nothing about gender and sexuality… years of self hate and stress. Sorry if that went off track but this clip just made me think about this stuff. 44:17
I do wish there was some way to see her perform in her youth, but what we do have of her in the later years of her life just proves how unbelievably talented she was. She has this magic about her💖
I recently read "The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo," and it's endlessly fascinating to me how many real-life people like Maude Adams lived similar lives.
This made me so emotional. I've had a crush on Maude Adams for years, simply from seeing her photo here and there, so when I saw you did a video on her I went "MY GOD" and now here I am, shedding a tear at my keyboard. What a personality she was.
I've always liked peter pan and the queer backstory explains a lot of why. Edit: A while ago I read a story about peter pan as a gay trans guy and he and captain hook fall in love and come back to the real world together and its really cute. Can't remember what its called but it was on kindle. Edit 2: Peter Pan 2003 is also my favorite adaption, both because its the truest to the book and the acting and costumes are great!
I loved Peter pan, but I had a particular extra affection for tinkerbell and the other fairies in the universe. The books fueled a lot of that. They connect to me on a queer, neurodivergent level but I can't actually articulate why.
I'm always SO excited when you release a new video. All of the effort, care and citations are marvelous. Your costumes and set up are dreamy. The figures you choose to highlight are so deserving because of how overlooked they are, and they are so interesting to learn about. When I saw Maude's video drop I couldn't handle it - (theater history is so much fun) - and then I saw it's over an hour long... MY HEART!!! The best hour of my Sunday. Thank you!
A fascinating story. For some reason it made me think of a movie called Sylvia Scarlett that starred Katherine Hepburn. She cuts her hair and disguises her self as an adolescent boy because her father was a wanted man. They meet a character played by Cary Grant in England. She later encounters an artist who she falls in love. Thinking she's a boy he says "I have a queer feeling about you."
Tinker Bell getting revived with the soda had me roaring with laughter 🤣 I really liked how you handled Maude's story, and the intro and ending felt so gentle and nice to listen to. Many kudos for your work!
As an in the closet kid who played Peter Pan his senior year of high school, I never realized I had such a wonderful connection to the queer community. Thank you so much for your work!!
I’m so glad to know I wasn’t the only person who longed to Peter, surrounding my room in tinker bell and relishing in dressing as him for Halloween, because if anyone said “that’s a boy costume” and I could grin and say “Kathy rigby plays him on Broadway” seeing that preformance, the story in general has shaped me far more than I know, or maybe let me question the magic of embracing not fitting in, not WANTING to fit in. Thank you for bringing me closer to this story that’s already meant so much to me ❤
got a lump in my throat remembering that the "little bird and egg" quote was my sr quote in high school, about 2 years before I formally came out as trans 😭tysm for this
I think in watching your videos on and off this past year has comforted me in the way of knowing that queer people have and always will be around - whether history remembers us or not. It's comforting to know we're never truly alone, and that we've always been here. Thanks for creating and sharing the knowledge with us, and with people like me. I can't wait to see what other videos you make in the coming year.
as someone who felt that part of their childhood was rushed, and has thought about not wanting to grow up, this vid made me tear up a bit, cuz man i felt that. no worries it was a optistic tears. since maude commented about finding her inner child that she felt she didnt live, i feel like im kinda getting there too in a way. yea im takin it easy
Damn, this makes so much sense for my own development! As a child the Disney version was all I had and I would watch it over and over. My mom said that when I was a toddler I would watch Peter Pan and after the movie would end I would rewind it and start it over. As an autistic queer person the levels of autistic childlike wonder, queerness, and gender dysphoria really resonate with me!I did read the book in middle school,but by the time the 2003 version of Peter Pan came out I was in high school and never got a chance to see it. Thank you for compiling this research into an easily accessible UA-cam video to tell us about Maude Adam’s and the sapphic history of Peter Pan!
Absolutely fascinating. I love the deep dive into both Maude Adams and Barrie. Yet another series of film biographies I'd like to see honestly scripted. I love the thoughtful and humourous way Kaz presents. Beautifully done.
boat's been pushed out with this one! loving the set. also hugely pleased to see someone else not jumping on the 'barrie was a nonce' train. LOVED the "right wendy?" / "yeah" / "it's... really bad" timing. well played, boss.
The usual train you mean. Its only very recent a few people are turning a critical eye to the underlying motives of Barrie's obsession towards young girls specifically
After watching this, I remembered my family has a collection of the works and letters of Robert Louis Stevenson, so I checked to see if there were any letters to JM Barrie- and there were! It seems as if their relationship started off with RLS sending fan mail to Barrie, lol. Some fun quotes: “We are both Scots…and I suppose rather Scotty Scots…”, “I am rushes by the riverside, and the stream is in Babylon: breathe your secrets to me fearlessly…” and, best of all, he signs off “And in the inimitable words of Lord Kames, Faur ye weel, ye bitch.” There was also an unsent letter to William Morris in which he starts off calling him Master and talking about how the English language is the queen that writers worship and all that, all to correct the guy on his misuse of the word whereas in some story he wrote, and goes on to some truly obnoxious wordplay of other such were-related words. I love history. In all seriousness, Kaz, this is my first comment in several years of watching UA-cam, and that’s because you’re one of the only creators I’ve found that unfailingly delivers informative yet funny videos on exactly the kinds of weird niches that I adore. You’re not like traditional historians who make history an inscrutable mess of facts I can’t connect to and make my personal curiosities and thoughts (often of the queer sort) seem ridiculous, but you’re also much more thorough and dedicated than many (but not all!!) people on the internet claiming historical facts without evidence and context, while still being approachable and humorous. Every time I finish a video, I feel like I’ve truly learned something and gained a new perspective that I can share with my friends & family (however confused they may be about why I know so much about x thing). Thank you, and sorry for the comment length- I went into essay mode...
I was in a dark spiral of watching only murder mystery and true crime which was not helping my mood. Thank you for brining me something lighter which brings me hope.
I love your videos (Maude was amazing in that film clip!) but I do wish you’d mentioned Barrie’s severe lifelong depression that followed the death of his older brother when he was a child (Peter Pan is rooted in this tragic history). Barrie said he lost his mother when his brother died as she never recovered emotionally. In a very famous incident he dressed in his brother’s clothing thinking it would cheer up his mother (he was a child). His mother became hysterically upset, sobbing,and lost all interest in him. Barrie never got over it.
You've made Maude Adams gain another admirer! I adored learning about her, Peter Pan holds such a special place in my heart and now she's right there beside him
Not only do I absolutely love the dive into the history of it all, I am very much one of those people whose gender was transed and romance was homo'd by Peter Pan. As a neurodivergent, nonbinary, ace lesbian, absolutely nothing about how I see myself fits into how society tells us an adult ought to be, and towards the beginning of my teenage years I became keenly aware of how very much I was going to be expected to change as a person soon -- and how much I didn't want to. As a result, I clung furiously to various adaptations of Peter Pan, and seeing that so many other queer people have had similar experiences is always comforting in a strange sort of way. It's fascinating to see how so many of us have independently found refuge in the exact same place.
SO moved by her quote in The One I Knew Least of All - I was a child actor and this is ACCURATE. She is a legend and I appreciate you bringing Maude back into the public awareness. This was a great and thorough presentation! Amazing work, Kaz.
I love how you present the queer history that so many tried (and try) to hide. I always cry at those stories. Thank you for spreading this history and making those people known again.
Thank you for honest history. Thank you for all you hard work in you excellent research. Also thank you for the spotlight of my hometown,San Pedro . Born there and living there still , I appreciate your kind appreciation . I live less than 5 mins from the park and lighthouse you featured. It’s history in film has not really been not covered and I look forward to that some day . Thank you for seeing us .
Love seeing the quality of these videos improve more and more over time. The bit with "Wendy" on the rocky beach felt like it was from a History Channel biography. Love the topic and the execution. 10/10
I was that kid in kindergarten who convinced the other kids not to clap by saying “Don’t clap and she’ll still live, just watch” and my poor teacher, scowling at me the whole time said, “That’s ok, I believe enough for all of us.” Later she asked me why I had done that and I explained that my father had throughly scolded me for believing in fairies and such, and shame on her for trying to get my friends in trouble with their fathers by trying to trick them into admitting their belief in public. Needless to say my father was called and told to stop being so harsh, I was only five after all. I got it twice as bad when I got home. I really hate the story of Peter Pan, my personal history with it kinda sucks all around.
Peter Pan was the first play I was in as a professional actress when I was a teenager. SO MUCH of this resonated with me. I cried a lot during this but I am grateful you made it.
Everything about this is wonderful. Your writing, the costume, set, lighting, jokes, asides, and story after story after story. This will stick with me for a while, thanks!
What an excellent presentation. Didn't know about Maude Maude Adams, my introduction to Peter Pan was Mary Martin in the 50s. But I cried remembering my baby hands clapping to my parents' encouragement to keep Tinkerbell alive. Thank you Ms. Adams for bringing that bit of theater to generations of us. As a teenager, I recall a discussion with my mom about why women always played the role of Peter. The explanation was of course that body changes due to hormones would make a male actor's involvement in the role short lived. But there was also something more wasn't it? Perhaps my parents just didn't know themselves. They would have missed Ms. Adams' performances on stage by reason of their own advent into the world. I think that you explained it well. Thank you for that.
your content consistently astounds me. i’ve been a long time watcher and your production value, research, delivery, and overall creativity and passion you approach these topics is so unique and entertaining. you only continue to grow and better your work and i’m so happy that you’re sharing it with us ❤
Omg I watched the entire video and I don’t regret a second of this 😭😭 thank you for this incredible introduction to Maude! I had never heard of her before but I will never forget her now
I find it sad that the knowledge of Bobby Driscoll recently came back with the release of the live action Chip and Dale movie. In it, spoilers, though I wouldn't recommend watching this 'movie' that Peter Pan was revealed to be the villain. The movie explains that after Peter Pan hit puberty he was dropped from movie roles leading him into a life of crime. I mean, stay classy Disney....
I think this was the first video I saw of yours, and I come back to it every once in a while. It´s... beautiful. I had no idea she existed, and I´m fascinated.
honestly there were so many amazing queer people from utah around that time and it's so interesting, of course none of them were extremely famous or anything
@@FloofByrd well, there was a poet named kate thomas, i think. she wrote lots of sapphic poetry while living in greenwich village and ended up sending them back to utah to be published in the "young woman's journal" and "the relief society magazine" which was a magazine for women and young women in the lds church, so there ended up being a lot of queer poetry in the magazines bc of thomas, who also notably used the word "gay" often in her poetry which was beginning to be used in greenwich village as a synonym for queerness. two other figures were actually religious figures: louie b felt and may anderson, with felt having been president of the lds church program for kids and anderson being her first counselor. felt was married to a man but encouraged him to marry other women with the reasoning that she couldnt have any children (though in my opinion, she was described to have "fallen in love" with at least one of these women and thus introduced her to her husband to marry, so i think she might have had some form of romantic friendship with them). later felt met anderson, who wouldn’t marry felt's husband but moved in to live with louie when she had become sick on one occasion and just stayed after she got better, for forty years until louie b felt passed away. anderson never married but her relationship with felt was described in a kid's magazine (that anderson would have been in charge of approving and publishing) with the wording "Those who watched their devotion to each other declare that there never were more ardent lovers than these two" so i feel like thats as obvious as it could possibly get in that time period for church leaders
I've been watching your shows for awhile and I must say, this is one of my favorites! You pointed out the underlying and tragic stories, when people couldn't be who they really were. Keep up the good work!!
Kaz, you do an awesome job as always! I really enjoyed this biography. I believe I remember vaguely hearing about Maude when there was a behind-the-scenes look at the making of Disney's Peter Pan, and now I finally know her full story.
I gasped so many times in this video. I'd never heard the name Maude Adams before and yet she taught in my hometown (Columbia, Mo) and was the inspiration for one of my favorite movies (Somewhere in Time) growing up. I may now be obsessed with her. Thank you for this video!
I'm not often a commenter, but this has been one of my favorite videos you've ever done! The costume looks wonderful, Maude's story enthralling and sorrowful, and as a transmasc person, I felt so deeply seen and understood by the commentary on trans readings of Peter. I ran to share it with my other trans friends, and I look eagerly forward to reading some of your sources on my own time today!
The Peter pan musical has a special place in my heart because it was the first musical/play I was in that fueled my passion for theater. The two years before it covid happened so I missed those chances. I played tiger lily (I have a bit of native American as my grandpa is a full blooded native, like probably around 25% in me but not enough to count me, I'm still white as ever) and my teacher cut out the song after the "Listen to tiger lily" line and the lyrics for "ugh a wug" were changed to the translations from the language of the tribe they were originally based on. I never really thought about it too much but this video made me. And now Maude is my new idol and the musical is even more important to me. Great job Kaz !!
I think for every person who wore a Peter Pan Halloween costume between the ages of 18 and 24 who knew essentially everything in this video, There were 9 who "just thought it would be fun / cute" and now find that incredibly funny with the benefit of hindsight Which is to all to say: the themes come through to an impressive degree
I almost cried when you brought up your love for (and overall analysis) of Peter Pan 2003 because of how much I relate. I also grew up heavily disliking the Disney Peter Pan but being absolutely obsessed with the 2003 version around the same age. I remember having a crush on Tiger Lily actually, but also on Peter, however more in a sense of wanting to be him (I would later go on to realize after coming out as asexual lesbian that a lot of the so called crushes on boys I had growing were more along the lines of wanting to be like them, which led to me also coming out as nonbinary lol). Hearing just how queer, the history of Peter Pan is is almost healing in how full circle it seems to come for me. I love this video and thanks a ton for creating it😭💕
There is something absolutely beautiful about the storytelling of Kaz Rowe; it truly makes you care for these people like you knew them personally. It is hard to explain, but somehow the end of the video had me choking up a lil, it was beautiful. Thank you for making these videos, truly
I’ve been so excited for this video! It did not disappoint; I didn’t know anything about Maude or the original stage productions of Peter Pan, and it gave me this immense sense of belonging to find out that it figured in its own little piece of queer history. I’ve always had an affinity to Peter and the story since I was young, and this definitely helped me ‘click’ part of why that was. Beautiful and articulate as always, thank you for your hard work!
This caught my attention because i live across the river from the house where peter pan was "Born", Moat Brae which has become a museum and can see the Jolly Rodger from my livingroom window 😂. I loved finding out far more about Maude.
Normally, we can always see the love and excitement you have for each video subject, but in this one, oh, boy, you were glowing! Awesome video as always Kaz. Cheers.
I always find myself crying at the end of all your videos, your storytelling is unmatched. Thank you for making these fabulous works of art that shine a light on the often forgotten figures of history. ❤️
Great video. It reminded me of my love for the Peter Pan mythology ( especially the Tinker Bell elements thanks to the Disney films ) and it was fascinating to learn about this history for the first time. Also I remember that tv special and used to watch that all the time as a kid. But after watching that clip in the video ( which I totally forgot about ) I don't think I'll be rewatching that any time soon. Hopefully next year's Peter Pan & Wendy will not include any offensive portrayals of native american people and their various cultures.
These historical insights are so good. Two things that seem apparent both with The Wizard of Oz and this, Peter Pan. There is so much darkness if not tragedy to a tale and story meant to be so benign and innocent. And YET, the production, the real life troubles, all of it is so beautifully masqueraded by this wonder, hope, and optimism, you'd swear it was all sunshine and roses making it. Bless everyone involved with these properties for giving generations upon generations a sense of life, love, and wonder, captivatingly protecting us and giving us hope, even if they didn't have it themselves. Oh, also, I did clap for Tink so our awkward hang time a la Does the Explorer didn't go down in vein. LOL
Once again you've done a fabulous job, Kaz! Thank you for telling Maude's story. The transition period between stage and film must have been difficult, and Maude's distaste for film is understandable. I've generally thought of Peter Pan as asexual, and sometimes wonder if that was how Barre felt but couldn't articulate. We often think of developing sexual attraction as an inherent part of growing up, but what of those who have little or no sexual desire? Are they just never "real" adults?
ur schenectady pronunciation was admirable! as a queer who grew up nearby, first theatre experience was peter pan, and who went to the theatre in schenectady all the time, this video hit homeeeee
I loved this video and your costume! I've used to love Peter pan as a kid especially the 2003 version. I think a lot of young sapphic women love these drag/principle boy roles because in them it's socially acceptable to love women and show both masculine and feminine sides
I've never found it so fun to learn about biographys and the insigths of previous eras as with you Kaz, truly, all the love and appretiation for your work
This has helped me put a few pieces together. I never really felt a connection to Peter Pan, but seem to have an unusual number of close platonic/queerplatonic friends who do. (And I feel the need to specify "platonic" only because romantic relationships with this particular subset of my friends have always turned out to have been a bad idea.) There are worse roles in the world than "Peter Pan's odd but supportive queer auncle."
I've been reading the annotated version of Peter pan and saw info about Maude, and was so curious about her. I'm so excited to watch this! I've seen the 2003 peter pan over 100 times. I do an annual rewatch. It's a beautiful movie, my favorite one of all time.
It really sucks that I have such nostalgia for the 1960 Peter Pan. I always knew blond Tiger Lily was wrong, but I very much enjoyed watching the scenes change and the musical numbers were very fun. I liked it better than the Disney version growing up.
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I am a Mexican woman I like how women dress
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I love your videos. As someone who grew up in Lake Ronkonkoma and would sneak in and ice skate at the cenacle (donated by Maude Adams) till the nuns chased us off the property. I am overwhelmed with the need to inform you that you are pronoucing Lake Ronkonkoma wrong, You are absolutely slaughtering the name of my little hometown hamlet. If you want I will happily voice chat with you for a moment just to give you the proper way to pronounce Lake Ronkonkoma. FYI look into legends about Lake Ronkonkoma could be another video in it for you
Just so you know this is the first video of yours that have been recommended to me and a really long time so you should probably chat with UA-cam
The 2014 version is the most accurate
You look very pretty and I'm a Mexican woman
Getting a friend to trawl around the rocks in a floofy dress just for the gag of her saying "Yeah" is peak
We had to climb up and down a huge cliff to get there too hahaha she was a good sport
It was more than worth it! I can only imagine the thoughts of passerby seeing two people ripped straight out of a period piece climbing a cliff lol
@@hannahbrown2728 Oh yeah right out of frame there was a very confused couple fishing 😂
There was one time when you bent down that I thought you had either fallen and possibly passed out, or were crouching/hiding somewhat badly.
@@KazRowe
I really admire what you do
I’ve learned so much through your channel-
You remind me of my
Beautiful ex- Jewish GF . anywhooooooo
Keep doing your thing
Respect ✊🏿
I really relate to that queer/neurodivergent/mentally ill feeling of feeling more like an adult when you're a kid and more like a kid when you're an adult
Mental illness always seems to go hand in hand with this.
Boy howdy
Holy crap, is that what it is?? No wonder!
same
Oh damn. I guess thats what it is
“[When] a new baby laughs for the first time a new fairy is born, and as there are always new babies there are always new fairies. They live in nests on the tops of trees; and the mauve ones are boys and the white ones are girls, and the blue ones are just little sillies who are not sure what they are.”
that is my favorite quote from the book
I'm one of the blue fairies ❣️
I studied Peter Pan in college, and this quote about Hook has stuck with me for more than 25 years:
“In the dark nature there was a touch of the feminine, as in all the great pirates, and it sometimes gave him intuitions.”
- Peter Pan, Chapter 8: “The Mermaid’s Lagoon”
Hook being read as gay, and the Disney movie saying they’re just well groomed feels… connected
That is the most beautiful quotes😢 and this is Peter Pan describing one of his enemies...
Did he just describe gaydar? Because that’s what this isolated quote sounds like to me haha
As a five year old, I fiercely insisted on having "peter pan hair", aka a pixie cut, despite obviously having no concept of the genderbending and LGBTQ history of the character. I guess you can say it was a foreshadowing of things to come.
I think the pixie cut it gay- my evidence is that I wanted one too
same!!!
Interesting take on Peter Pan, a story I love very much. You did forget that J.M. Barrie's brother, who was his mother's favorite, died in childhood. His mother sank into depression and basically ignored Barrie, telling him "you will grow up and become a man, but your brother will always be a little boy". I always thought the story of Peter and everyone idolizing him/ his love and fear of motherly love was based on this time in Barrie's life. I'm sure his sexuality played some role, but there's never just one influence in the creation of a classic.
Oh dear
Wow.
That does seem to be the connection underlying the timeless appeal of these classics, and why they resonate for eons, are those multi-layered influences. Each of us is able to approach them and recognize something within them that resonates with us. So, when we discover these other aspects of them, they become so much more.
Thus, these stories are very hard to write. As one who has struggled with the craft of writing for a decade, weaving those pieces together into one is a rare and wonderful thing.
Yes, Barrie would even sometimes dress in his late brother´s clothes and pretend to be him to try to cheer up his mother.
@@raphaelbittencourt4430 I didn't know that part, how sad. No surprise that gave him a complex.
Thank you SO much for addressing the rumours of pedophilia- as an asexual who adored Peter Pan as a kid, I cling to him perhaps a bit more than I should, and I've always taken those with a grain of salt, because it seems to boil down to "well he didn't have lovers" and "well he liked being around kids", both of which apply to myself as well, and it's just- it's so dehumanizing to me, to see people who literally can't imagine that there wasn't some sex scandal. They'd rather imagine him as some monster than try to imagine a life of asexuality, too. (obviously it's problematic to apply labels to historical figures, but I'm using it to illustrate how I see him, and how I identify with him).
So you admire pedophiles, got it.
YES it's so messed up that people these days cannot fathom a relationship between a kid and a non-related adult that isn't predatory or whatever. like bro maybe _you're_ the one that needs to stop sexualizing children if that's where your mind automatically goes
I'm aroace and it's becoming one of my pet peeves among the queer community that every bachelor in history is at times considered gay. Now, obviously some of them were, like I don't disagree with this video on Maude at all. But, it's aspec erasure to assume that every one who never married and never showed interest in opposite gender partners must have been with same gender partners. Some people were just genuinely not interested in people, but apparently we can't imagine that.
As a gay man who's always wanted to be a dad and adores children, I understand your pain, I really do. However that being said it is better to be safer than sorry, and for as long as trusted adults victimize children, people in close contact with kids will be assumed as such.
SODOMY = PEDOPHILE
It's very unfortunate that men who just genuinely like to hang out with kids are viewed as so suspect. My dad is one such man, and he's honestly one of the nicest people I've ever met and would never hurt a kid. My mom also loves children, of course she'd marry a guy who felt the same way!
Edit to add another funfact: My mom is a black woman, and grew up in rural Oregon, so she was very keenly aware of what racism is and how harmful it can be. Therefore, whenever my brother and I would watch Disney's Peter Pan, my mom would jump up and fast-forward through the parts with the racist caricatures. As a result, I didn't see any of those parts until I was a teenager watching the movie at my friend's house at a sleepover, and I was shocked. A few years later my brother had the same experience but as a 20 year old adult. When you're older and know what racism is, old cartoons like that are just... something else.
yea it is sad James Barry i feel has fallen victim to this mordan view on childish men that is very untrue
I get why people consider these racial caricatures offensive, but the whole point of Neverland is that is is made up of _storybook characters_ come to life. They aren't meant to be _real_ Indians or pirates or mermaids (not that there such things as "real" mermaids) but the kind of characters who would be found in children's literature of the time. I think that's an important thing to remember and does make a difference.
@@christophersmith3341 I would argue that children don't know the difference between fiction and nonfiction when so young. And if you don't tell them that the way the characters are depicted are offensive and not real, they won't know those are stereotypes. Additionally, I don't think adults during that time period cared about accuracy so wouldn't care if their children thought of those stereotypes as real. Hell the adults probably believed in those stereotypes themselves. It's not the same as modern days where racial minorities are somewhat able to have a voice in how their culture is portrayed by outsiders.
Children are influenced by the media they consume, saying that's just how it was I think negates the impact of the media. Critical thinking is something we cultivate, not something we're born with.
I'm living evidence of not realizing how bad the stereotypes in the Peter Pan movie were when I was a child. I thought Native Americans looked and acted like how they did in the movie bc it was one of my rare exposures to natives in media and was never told otherwise. This stuff genuinely impacts your perception of people as a child because the line between reality and fiction is a lot harder to parse.
@@l33machine But the story makes it EXPLICIT that these are fairy tale/fantasy characters, not examples of real people. It is literally stated that Neverland is the place where children's storybooks come to life.
But clearly we live in a world where, if there's a chance of taking offense, people are going to take offense. Hence your several upvotes to my none. I think it's important that Barrie wasn't claiming to depict realistic Indians (or pirates). And, as I kid, I never took the characters in any version of Peter Pan to be realistic, apart from maybe Wendy and her borthers. I never though of the Indian characters representing real Indians (I grew up in the 70's, when depictions of Native Americans was more prominent than it had been before, maybe more than it is now). Did you take them to be realistic?
@@christophersmith3341 Explains, but does not excuse, unfortunately. I would be kind of interested to see what kind of "storybook indians" they put in these days. I'd like to hope that kids' media these days is way more respectful, and therefore so would they. My Alaskan Native partner's future children deserve some positive representation in their cartoons for once.
Wow, I didn’t know about any of this before your video! Queer history really does seem to go totally unnoticed by the general public, or at least it feels that way to me.
think that was because it was hidden for so long
Plus the usual mindset at the time and sometimes today "if you ignore it, it didn't exist". Some historians are quick at casting every evidence of a persons queernes aside.
Unfortunately, I feel like that is because if they were to come out as so, they would get attacked or even killed. If you were to go missing, that’s it. No one would be able to find you, because not only did police not do anything about it, if they knew you were not a person within the standards of society, they’re not going to look for you. Forensics were also sorely lacking, which is how serial killers were able to get away so easily; like, the dudes literally had to be caught red-handed in order to even be arrested. Though, people who came out as queer, of color, or out of societal standards are known for their bravery, a lot of people were scared and rightfully so. Luckily, we have people telling their stories and we are learning more today.
well, since peter is usually played by a girl, and wendy has a crush on him, that means wendy is technically flirting with a lady. as the actress has to fawn over "him" and have banter with him, even more if she tries to kiss "him".
what is interesting is how crossdressing was taboo back in the 19th century yet theatre was given a pass.
@@finland4ever55Theater always involved cross dressing, just usually the other direction. It was common for men to play women in Shakespeare’s plays, or in Greek plays, for instance. In the 19th and early 20th centuries, there were women in stage, but they were presumed to be “fallen” women anyway, so asking them to play cross gender wasn’t much of a leap. It was also a common trope at the time to have cross dressing acts in vaudeville. The author of Fingersmith and Tipping the Velvet wrote some excellent historically based novels using this. Sexy and worth the read (as long as you can bear reading how very poorly such women were treated at the time!)
I totally relate to your experience of watching Peter Pan 2003 as a child. However the feelings of wanting to be like Peter and loving Wendy were also contrasted with the conflicting feelings of wanting to be Wendy and loving Peter. It seems I had a very bisexual experience. Figures.
Same here!
I wanted to be(with) Jason Isaac's Captain Hook SO BAD, I have no idea why it took so long for me to figure out I was gay trans man lol I watched that movie everyday just to stare at Hook
I fancied peter in that version so badly but also wanted to be him
@@possomt6211 same I was upset when Wendy showed that she liked Peter but would also be upset when Peter accepted Wendy lmao, I was a greedy little gay kid without knowing it
THIS !!
For me the “secret sinister darkness” in Peter Pan is what happened to poor Bobbie Driscoll and how Disney was more or less responsible for ruining his life. It’s so interesting to hear about the original stage play and Barrie’s original vision for the work itself and the history of the play since it’s inception
I really really really appreciate you discussing queer history like this. It's often framed with queer discourse nowadays that younger folks are just queer for fun and for a fad. Your channel really highlights how queer people have ALWAYS been around, it's just now that we're able to explore and be ourselves instead of hiding in the shadows.
yes, this.
From 2005 to 2012, I worked in a coffee shop in the Little 5 Points area of Atlanta, Georgia; during that time I encountered quite a few people (male and female; coworkers and customers) who were "fashionably bisexual", there were various configurations including one where the core couple (male\female) each had a same gender " side piece". This disturbed me because, being a good bit older than than these people, I remember the hedonism of the 1970's and how, to reference Marvin the Paranoid Android, it ended in tears, more often than not. A romantic pairing, of any type, hetero or homosexual, of just two people is a difficult enough dance; to add more elements may add spice, but it also increases, exponentially, the chances for drama and sadness. But then, society's obsession with sexuality, in all its myriad permutations, has always puzzled me. Aren't there better things to do than angst over someone else's sex life? We love who we love, and love is love; cliches, but still true.
When I was younger, for years, I would tell people I was bisexual and laughed at for it.
For YEARS. Some people weren't being fashionable we really just fucking are.
Went down a Barrymore family Wikipedia rabbit hole a few weeks ago. Somehow missed the connection to Maude, but ended up at Clement Scott. A critic that said theatre is a gateway to Hell basically.
I don't know, Spiderman Turn Off the Dark sure felt like being in hell. It was like being force fed ice cream all day and night except it tastes like licking the floor of a public restroom, so pretty much hell.
It is! And hell is wonderful this time of year.
@@jeremysmith4620 yikes. I mean it sounds like heartless cashgrab theatre. In Japan that type of theatre is very popular but done with a lot of dedication cause the fan base is super dedicated. Marvel/ DC fans seem to accept anything (no offense lol)
Patrick Stewart in a Christmas Carol was still my fav (I saw it when our parents took us when we were little)
Edit: Our uncle took my brother and I to see a Resident Evil Theatre production it was really good despite the small amount of scenery. Sailor moon is always pretty was good too. Plus in Japan the bigger production give you small gift bags if you see it early.
@@SaintShion I am not saying that I wouldn't axe murder a whole bus full of school children to see Sir Pat live in A Christmas carol. Definitely not saying it. Thinking it? Imma plead the 5th on that one.
If you don't know who all your audience may be you can't fault a gateway to hell
I love this video! Her Mayflower and Mormon connection prompted me to do some research and I discovered that I’m related to Maude Adams. If it wasn’t for this video I probably wouldn’t have made this magical little discovery. Thanks for making such fascinating content!
Same! I was like "SLC"? "Mormon"? "Adams"? Yep, she's a cousin...and I guess that makes you mine, too!
shoot wait, i gotta go consult my family search
@@pinagalaxia hi cuz… haha 😆It’s nice to know I have family with similar interests!
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Wtf why am I in a family fucking reunion 😂
This has made me desperately want a movie about J.M. Barrie and Robert Louis Stevenson writing letters to each other (+how that all could relate to their mutual affinity for stories about pirates, to the point of them now sharing a legacy as probably the two most impactful authors when it comes to depictions of piracy in pop culture)
The boy who played Peter in 2003 was part of why I figured out I was gay so early. He was probably one of my first childhood crushes. Him or the guy from the little vampire. Cool to know I wasn't the only one that movie effected
The collective obsession me and all my friends had with this movie is insane, but especially with Peter. My 8 year old self thought he was literally perfect (and that crush still hadn't faded when I was 19, because a quote from him was my first tattoo 😅)
I know exactly what you're talking about those were both of my childhood crushes. 10 years later I realized I was gay and my first gf kinda looked liked these dudes.
AHH The LIttle Vampire, that's a movie I don't hear about much these days that is amazing!!!
That Peter had a chokehold on a generation of girls gays and theys 🥵
Am trans guy, definitely relate to the 'never growing up' aspect of Peter pan. I remember being 8 and realising that my options for growing up were 'lady' or 'woman' and was horrified by my choices.
I'd never considered this concept until this video, mind blown
I’m cis female and I can relate to this. I remember when I was on the brink of puberty, distinctly unthrilled with the imminent “welcome to menstrual cycle monthly” bumper fun pack! But worse than that, having to contend with the socio/sexual expectations of everything that comes with coming of age brought me the horrors. I have at last attained magnificent spinsterdom and I’m fine. Nobody gives a crap what you present as when you’re old and it is so liberating. Growing up is hard, but growing old has considerably less horrors for me, and far less expectations.
I was a really dumb kid lmao,I always assumed I’d grow up to be a man..even when my chest started growing. It wasn’t until the whole monthly thing came and took that hope right away from me, only until it was obvious that I wouldn’t grow up into a man I realized what I technically would grow into,which sucked. But I’m transitioning as a teenager so technically I AM growing up into a man
It would be cool if we could have switched bodies like before birth. I had to deal with testosterone turning me into some man beast. Yuck. Fixed it later, though.
Not exactly the main point but after hearing about Frohmans death I was moved I had to look into it more. He had a cane and pain in 1 knee so jumping into the lifeboats wouldve been hard. He tied lifejackets to babys cradles before his own death. A very kind man!
as a child, i was always obsessed with stories like peter pan, alice in wonderland, and the wizard of oz because of the promise that any ordinary child could be whisked away and have an adventure of a lifetime. they all still mean so much to me even as an adult.
i was also obsessed with the 2003 adaptation when it came out and became re-obsessed with it in middle school, half because i went through a tomboy phase and wanted to be peter, and the other half because i realized my best friend looked like wendy and i didn't realize i was in love with her. so a world where i could be peter and my best friend could be wendy was so ideal for me.
This hits me at soooo many levels. Amazing piece. I am stunned. For one, I had a great Aunt Helen (born 1912 or so) who never married, worked as a teacher for 40 years, travelled all over the world twice, and never, ever married. She lived in Toronto for the majority of her teaching career, teaching new immigrant kids… because, as she said… "They appreciated the value of a good education”.
And, it's only been recently that I actually got to thinking of how strange that was. My grandma and her even made this pact that our family would always take care of her, since she would never marry. I always assumed that was because she wanted to have a career, not a husband. Grandma helped her pay for her education, and she went to teacher's college across from where I now live.
And, her sister when she died threw out all her pictures and letters. We were livid. I couldn't understand why, till recently.
The other level, is that it never occurred to me this side of Peter Pan, and I am truly stunned.
I am honestly astounded at how accepting my family has always been, only to always to find out they had a friend who was gay.
I remember telling my grandmother and grandfather many moons ago that a friend had a boyfriend.
From then on they always asked how they were. Ordinary chat. They were happy for them.
Although not the best phrasing my grandmother said "all of us always knew one of them".
People got it then and forever. Religious donations became the problem. Biblical twisting became the problem.
26:30 - Thanks for the shout out towards the 2003 film since I feel it needs more attention. Also, how likely will we see an Anna May Wong essay / episode from you? She's so awesome and also a classic Hollywood crush of mine.
Yep I do have a video on her planned!
@@KazRowe I speak for myself and possibly 52 other people who liked my question above that we're all looking forward to the Anna May Wong video! Also, love your channel overall with the ghost ships / sea ghosts one being a particular favorite.
53:52 haha Schenectady is pronounced like "skin-NECK-tady," so you almost got it!
It always makes history feel closer when you learn that someone lived in your hometown. I never would have guessed that the most iconic Peter Pan worked with GE. Far from the most important thing in the video, but important to me, so thanks :)
skuh NEK tuh dee
Not "skin"
Also Ronkonkoma.....emphasis should be on the second syllable, and the last o should be pronounced more like "uh"
Ron-KON-kuhma
thanks I still can't say it
@@amlus05 I’ve always heard it as “Ron-conk-kon-mo”
For me (a trans Peter Pan fan) I have never felt like Peter; but I have always and will always be a lost boy. In fact I tell people my gender is lost boy often.
Thank you Kaz, for this video. There was a lot that I already knew and I lot that I got to learn. I did have to pause it a few times to cry but overall I think you have brought an new light to my undying love for all things Neverland.
Also: your costume was amazing and the Wendy in the background had such a perfect dress!!
There's so much tragedy in the history of Peter Pan, I'm glad you could emphasize the positive aspects, not only of its history but of Maude Adams herself. I grew up in the theater and knew her name but never knew anything beyond the name and its association with Peter Pan. Thank you for filling in the gaps for me.
This is so validating! When I was 12 I played Peter Pan in the musical and was devastated when it ended. I then came out at a trans man when I was 15… so cool to see the queer legacy goes back to the very beginning of its creation.
Kaz, I need to say: I really, really enjoy your adventures in history not usually (if at all) talked about. It's always engaging and when I'm with my lovely queer friends, it's all we discuss. Thank you, and please, encore!
So I'm non-binary and I definitely struggled with being young, trans-masc, and not being able to see myself older. I related to Peter a lot in that aspect of staying a boy and not becoming a man. I knew I didn't want to be a woman, but a man? Not with the gender expectations and roles I grew up around! My first musical theatre performance I did was Peter Pan, and I loved it and heavily related to "I Won't Grow Up". Becoming an adult seemed like such a giant leap from a kid, not in just what you do, but how you thought and carried yourself. No thank you! The way we characterize boys versus men, especially when I was younger, was much less masculine. I could be a boy because I didn't need to be hyper masculine or feminine. But a man needed to be super masculine. But now that I've gotten older, and the expectations of the gender binary have lessened, I'm seeing myself as me. Wow this got longer than I thought it would be. Basically, I'm glad that I wasn't alone in my thoughts about my queerness, gender, and Peter.
I was just a LITTLE too old for Peter Pan 2003, but Hook was one of my favorite movies as a kid. Fun fact, Dustin Hoffman and Bob Hoskins decided between themselves to play Hook and Smee as a gay couple, and now that's all I can see when I watch!
Also, as a (gay) trans man, I was never drawn to Peter Pan... BUT I have always been incredibly drawn to Link from Legend of Zelda, whose design is very clearly based on him!
Man, this brought me close to tears several times over. Thank you for making my world a little brighter.
(and I did clap for tink, thank you very much)
i did too!!!
same
I struggled with my gender a lot growing up. I didn’t know why but I always felt uncomfortable portraying any sort of masculine traits and found myself wishing that boys would treat me like they did girls in tv shows (like Disney and stuff). I even had an account on that old Clone Wars Adventures game when I was in like 4-5th grade that I pretended to be a girl on because of how everyone would basically fawn over girl players. Even going so far as to have a “boyfriend” on there. I definitely feel bad for basically manipulating him but the sad truth is that was the happiest that I ever was during that time of my life. Despite that I never found myself wanting to BE a girl but I also hated the idea of becoming a man. I had never heard of any LGBT terminology growing up so I literally had nothing to do with my feelings and I was to scared to talk about it with anyone. Well after years of learning from the internet and doing a lot of self reflection I realized that I’m non-binary, a term that i didn’t even know existed until maybe 3 years ago when I was 20. I guess that’s what happens when kids grow up learning nothing about gender and sexuality… years of self hate and stress. Sorry if that went off track but this clip just made me think about this stuff. 44:17
I do wish there was some way to see her perform in her youth, but what we do have of her in the later years of her life just proves how unbelievably talented she was. She has this magic about her💖
The costumes on this one knocked it out of the park! great work!!💜🏳⚧
She isn’t trans.
@@thEannoyingE i know, i am
@@thEannoyingE kaz uses they/them
@@thEannoyingE oh btw its They/Them
@@thEannoyingE they*
I recently read "The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo," and it's endlessly fascinating to me how many real-life people like Maude Adams lived similar lives.
This made me so emotional. I've had a crush on Maude Adams for years, simply from seeing her photo here and there, so when I saw you did a video on her I went "MY GOD" and now here I am, shedding a tear at my keyboard. What a personality she was.
your costume, the set, the LIGHTS!! im not even done with the video but so far im already learning so much. im obsessed. you killed it
I've always liked peter pan and the queer backstory explains a lot of why.
Edit: A while ago I read a story about peter pan as a gay trans guy and he and captain hook fall in love and come back to the real world together and its really cute. Can't remember what its called but it was on kindle.
Edit 2: Peter Pan 2003 is also my favorite adaption, both because its the truest to the book and the acting and costumes are great!
Was it called Peter Darling by Austin Chant? I own the book!
@@Jem_80s Yup, that's it!
@mapuwu Yes! Thanks!
I loved Peter pan, but I had a particular extra affection for tinkerbell and the other fairies in the universe. The books fueled a lot of that. They connect to me on a queer, neurodivergent level but I can't actually articulate why.
I'm always SO excited when you release a new video. All of the effort, care and citations are marvelous. Your costumes and set up are dreamy. The figures you choose to highlight are so deserving because of how overlooked they are, and they are so interesting to learn about. When I saw Maude's video drop I couldn't handle it - (theater history is so much fun) - and then I saw it's over an hour long... MY HEART!!! The best hour of my Sunday. Thank you!
"When you're old, night always comes too soon" is a line that's going to stick with me c_c;;
A fascinating story. For some reason it made me think of a movie called Sylvia Scarlett that starred Katherine Hepburn. She cuts her hair and disguises her self as an adolescent boy because her father was a wanted man. They meet a character played by Cary Grant in England. She later encounters an artist who she falls in love. Thinking she's a boy he says "I have a queer feeling about you."
the captivating love story between your hat and the curtain is everything to me
Tinker Bell getting revived with the soda had me roaring with laughter 🤣 I really liked how you handled Maude's story, and the intro and ending felt so gentle and nice to listen to. Many kudos for your work!
As an in the closet kid who played Peter Pan his senior year of high school, I never realized I had such a wonderful connection to the queer community. Thank you so much for your work!!
as a young lesbian theatre student, Maude has always been one of my biggest role models. I cannot thank you enough for telling her story 💕
I’m so glad to know I wasn’t the only person who longed to Peter, surrounding my room in tinker bell and relishing in dressing as him for Halloween, because if anyone said “that’s a boy costume” and I could grin and say “Kathy rigby plays him on Broadway” seeing that preformance, the story in general has shaped me far more than I know, or maybe let me question the magic of embracing not fitting in, not WANTING to fit in. Thank you for bringing me closer to this story that’s already meant so much to me ❤
got a lump in my throat remembering that the "little bird and egg" quote was my sr quote in high school, about 2 years before I formally came out as trans 😭tysm for this
I think in watching your videos on and off this past year has comforted me in the way of knowing that queer people have and always will be around - whether history remembers us or not. It's comforting to know we're never truly alone, and that we've always been here.
Thanks for creating and sharing the knowledge with us, and with people like me. I can't wait to see what other videos you make in the coming year.
You should also check out the podcast History is Gay
as someone who felt that part of their childhood was rushed, and has thought about not wanting to grow up, this vid made me tear up a bit, cuz man i felt that.
no worries it was a optistic tears. since maude commented about finding her inner child that she felt she didnt live, i feel like im kinda getting there too in a way. yea im takin it easy
Damn, this makes so much sense for my own development! As a child the Disney version was all I had and I would watch it over and over. My mom said that when I was a toddler I would watch Peter Pan and after the movie would end I would rewind it and start it over. As an autistic queer person the levels of autistic childlike wonder, queerness, and gender dysphoria really resonate with me!I did read the book in middle school,but by the time the 2003 version of Peter Pan came out I was in high school and never got a chance to see it. Thank you for compiling this research into an easily accessible UA-cam video to tell us about Maude Adam’s and the sapphic history of Peter Pan!
Absolutely fascinating. I love the deep dive into both Maude Adams and Barrie. Yet another series of film biographies I'd like to see honestly scripted.
I love the thoughtful and humourous way Kaz presents. Beautifully done.
The 2003 version of Peter Pan, is absolutely my favourite. It was beautiful and I loved the actors performances
55:49 I have used theatre as a way to mask and learn how to “be” since I was a child, so seeing this quote really speaks to me
boat's been pushed out with this one! loving the set. also hugely pleased to see someone else not jumping on the 'barrie was a nonce' train. LOVED the "right wendy?" / "yeah" / "it's... really bad" timing. well played, boss.
The usual train you mean. Its only very recent a few people are turning a critical eye to the underlying motives of Barrie's obsession towards young girls specifically
After watching this, I remembered my family has a collection of the works and letters of Robert Louis Stevenson, so I checked to see if there were any letters to JM Barrie- and there were! It seems as if their relationship started off with RLS sending fan mail to Barrie, lol. Some fun quotes: “We are both Scots…and I suppose rather Scotty Scots…”, “I am rushes by the riverside, and the stream is in Babylon: breathe your secrets to me fearlessly…” and, best of all, he signs off “And in the inimitable words of Lord Kames, Faur ye weel, ye bitch.” There was also an unsent letter to William Morris in which he starts off calling him Master and talking about how the English language is the queen that writers worship and all that, all to correct the guy on his misuse of the word whereas in some story he wrote, and goes on to some truly obnoxious wordplay of other such were-related words. I love history.
In all seriousness, Kaz, this is my first comment in several years of watching UA-cam, and that’s because you’re one of the only creators I’ve found that unfailingly delivers informative yet funny videos on exactly the kinds of weird niches that I adore. You’re not like traditional historians who make history an inscrutable mess of facts I can’t connect to and make my personal curiosities and thoughts (often of the queer sort) seem ridiculous, but you’re also much more thorough and dedicated than many (but not all!!) people on the internet claiming historical facts without evidence and context, while still being approachable and humorous. Every time I finish a video, I feel like I’ve truly learned something and gained a new perspective that I can share with my friends & family (however confused they may be about why I know so much about x thing). Thank you, and sorry for the comment length- I went into essay mode...
I was in a dark spiral of watching only murder mystery and true crime which was not helping my mood. Thank you for brining me something lighter which brings me hope.
I love your videos (Maude was amazing in that film clip!) but I do wish you’d mentioned Barrie’s severe lifelong depression that followed the death of his older brother when he was a child (Peter Pan is rooted in this tragic history). Barrie said he lost his mother when his brother died as she never recovered emotionally. In a very famous incident he dressed in his brother’s clothing thinking it would cheer up his mother (he was a child). His mother became hysterically upset, sobbing,and lost all interest in him. Barrie never got over it.
You've made Maude Adams gain another admirer! I adored learning about her, Peter Pan holds such a special place in my heart and now she's right there beside him
Not only do I absolutely love the dive into the history of it all, I am very much one of those people whose gender was transed and romance was homo'd by Peter Pan. As a neurodivergent, nonbinary, ace lesbian, absolutely nothing about how I see myself fits into how society tells us an adult ought to be, and towards the beginning of my teenage years I became keenly aware of how very much I was going to be expected to change as a person soon -- and how much I didn't want to. As a result, I clung furiously to various adaptations of Peter Pan, and seeing that so many other queer people have had similar experiences is always comforting in a strange sort of way. It's fascinating to see how so many of us have independently found refuge in the exact same place.
SO moved by her quote in The One I Knew Least of All - I was a child actor and this is ACCURATE. She is a legend and I appreciate you bringing Maude back into the public awareness. This was a great and thorough presentation! Amazing work, Kaz.
I love how you present the queer history that so many tried (and try) to hide. I always cry at those stories. Thank you for spreading this history and making those people known again.
Thank you for honest history. Thank you for all you hard work in you excellent research. Also thank you for the spotlight of my hometown,San Pedro . Born there and living there still , I appreciate your kind appreciation . I live less than 5 mins from the park and lighthouse you featured. It’s history in film has not really been not covered and I look forward to that some day . Thank you for seeing us .
Love seeing the quality of these videos improve more and more over time. The bit with "Wendy" on the rocky beach felt like it was from a History Channel biography. Love the topic and the execution. 10/10
Almost brought to tears Several times during this. Was Not expecting it, I didn't realize how much Peter Pan mattered to me, thank you for this
I was that kid in kindergarten who convinced the other kids not to clap by saying “Don’t clap and she’ll still live, just watch” and my poor teacher, scowling at me the whole time said, “That’s ok, I believe enough for all of us.”
Later she asked me why I had done that and I explained that my father had throughly scolded me for believing in fairies and such, and shame on her for trying to get my friends in trouble with their fathers by trying to trick them into admitting their belief in public. Needless to say my father was called and told to stop being so harsh, I was only five after all. I got it twice as bad when I got home.
I really hate the story of Peter Pan, my personal history with it kinda sucks all around.
This video had me tearing up towards the end. I'm so glad she lived so long with her beloved, and buried next to her. Thank you for this video❤
The set, and costume design in this video is amazing!
Peter Pan was the first play I was in as a professional actress when I was a teenager. SO MUCH of this resonated with me. I cried a lot during this but I am grateful you made it.
Everything about this is wonderful. Your writing, the costume, set, lighting, jokes, asides, and story after story after story. This will stick with me for a while, thanks!
What an excellent presentation. Didn't know about Maude Maude Adams, my introduction to Peter Pan was Mary Martin in the 50s. But I cried remembering my baby hands clapping to my parents' encouragement to keep Tinkerbell alive. Thank you Ms. Adams for bringing that bit of theater to generations of us. As a teenager, I recall a discussion with my mom about why women always played the role of Peter. The explanation was of course that body changes due to hormones would make a male actor's involvement in the role short lived. But there was also something more wasn't it? Perhaps my parents just didn't know themselves. They would have missed Ms. Adams' performances on stage by reason of their own advent into the world. I think that you explained it well. Thank you for that.
your content consistently astounds me. i’ve been a long time watcher and your production value, research, delivery, and overall creativity and passion you approach these topics is so unique and entertaining. you only continue to grow and better your work and i’m so happy that you’re sharing it with us ❤
Omg I watched the entire video and I don’t regret a second of this 😭😭 thank you for this incredible introduction to Maude! I had never heard of her before but I will never forget her now
I find it sad that the knowledge of Bobby Driscoll recently came back with the release of the live action Chip and Dale movie. In it, spoilers, though I wouldn't recommend watching this 'movie' that Peter Pan was revealed to be the villain. The movie explains that after Peter Pan hit puberty he was dropped from movie roles leading him into a life of crime. I mean, stay classy Disney....
Yeah that whole thing felt very weird and meanspirited to Bobby. Not a fan
I think this was the first video I saw of yours, and I come back to it every once in a while. It´s... beautiful. I had no idea she existed, and I´m fascinated.
honestly there were so many amazing queer people from utah around that time and it's so interesting, of course none of them were extremely famous or anything
I'd love to learn more about them!
@@FloofByrd well, there was a poet named kate thomas, i think. she wrote lots of sapphic poetry while living in greenwich village and ended up sending them back to utah to be published in the "young woman's journal" and "the relief society magazine" which was a magazine for women and young women in the lds church, so there ended up being a lot of queer poetry in the magazines bc of thomas, who also notably used the word "gay" often in her poetry which was beginning to be used in greenwich village as a synonym for queerness.
two other figures were actually religious figures: louie b felt and may anderson, with felt having been president of the lds church program for kids and anderson being her first counselor. felt was married to a man but encouraged him to marry other women with the reasoning that she couldnt have any children (though in my opinion, she was described to have "fallen in love" with at least one of these women and thus introduced her to her husband to marry, so i think she might have had some form of romantic friendship with them). later felt met anderson, who wouldn’t marry felt's husband but moved in to live with louie when she had become sick on one occasion and just stayed after she got better, for forty years until louie b felt passed away. anderson never married but her relationship with felt was described in a kid's magazine (that anderson would have been in charge of approving and publishing) with the wording "Those who watched their devotion to each other declare that there never were more ardent lovers than these two" so i feel like thats as obvious as it could possibly get in that time period for church leaders
I've been watching your shows for awhile and I must say, this is one of my favorites! You pointed out the underlying and tragic stories, when people couldn't be who they really were.
Keep up the good work!!
Kaz, you do an awesome job as always! I really enjoyed this biography. I believe I remember vaguely hearing about Maude when there was a behind-the-scenes look at the making of Disney's Peter Pan, and now I finally know her full story.
I gasped so many times in this video. I'd never heard the name Maude Adams before and yet she taught in my hometown (Columbia, Mo) and was the inspiration for one of my favorite movies (Somewhere in Time) growing up. I may now be obsessed with her. Thank you for this video!
I'm not often a commenter, but this has been one of my favorite videos you've ever done! The costume looks wonderful, Maude's story enthralling and sorrowful, and as a transmasc person, I felt so deeply seen and understood by the commentary on trans readings of Peter. I ran to share it with my other trans friends, and I look eagerly forward to reading some of your sources on my own time today!
The Peter pan musical has a special place in my heart because it was the first musical/play I was in that fueled my passion for theater. The two years before it covid happened so I missed those chances. I played tiger lily (I have a bit of native American as my grandpa is a full blooded native, like probably around 25% in me but not enough to count me, I'm still white as ever) and my teacher cut out the song after the "Listen to tiger lily" line and the lyrics for "ugh a wug" were changed to the translations from the language of the tribe they were originally based on. I never really thought about it too much but this video made me. And now Maude is my new idol and the musical is even more important to me. Great job Kaz !!
I think for every person who wore a Peter Pan Halloween costume between the ages of 18 and 24 who knew essentially everything in this video,
There were 9 who "just thought it would be fun / cute" and now find that incredibly funny with the benefit of hindsight
Which is to all to say: the themes come through to an impressive degree
I almost cried when you brought up your love for (and overall analysis) of Peter Pan 2003 because of how much I relate. I also grew up heavily disliking the Disney Peter Pan but being absolutely obsessed with the 2003 version around the same age. I remember having a crush on Tiger Lily actually, but also on Peter, however more in a sense of wanting to be him (I would later go on to realize after coming out as asexual lesbian that a lot of the so called crushes on boys I had growing were more along the lines of wanting to be like them, which led to me also coming out as nonbinary lol). Hearing just how queer, the history of Peter Pan is is almost healing in how full circle it seems to come for me. I love this video and thanks a ton for creating it😭💕
Kaz, your costumes and sets are always on point but I have to say you really outdid yourself this time!!
There is something absolutely beautiful about the storytelling of Kaz Rowe; it truly makes you care for these people like you knew them personally. It is hard to explain, but somehow the end of the video had me choking up a lil, it was beautiful. Thank you for making these videos, truly
I’ve been so excited for this video! It did not disappoint; I didn’t know anything about Maude or the original stage productions of Peter Pan, and it gave me this immense sense of belonging to find out that it figured in its own little piece of queer history. I’ve always had an affinity to Peter and the story since I was young, and this definitely helped me ‘click’ part of why that was. Beautiful and articulate as always, thank you for your hard work!
This caught my attention because i live across the river from the house where peter pan was "Born", Moat Brae which has become a museum and can see the Jolly Rodger from my livingroom window 😂. I loved finding out far more about Maude.
Sounds like the life of Maude Adams should be a stage play.
I didn’t expect to cry so much watching this but here I am, sobbing
I just love your storytelling style, it's so engaging! I truly hope you'll continue making videos for a long time because they're just fantastic
Normally, we can always see the love and excitement you have for each video subject, but in this one, oh, boy, you were glowing! Awesome video as always Kaz. Cheers.
Wow... This video was so captivating i'm almost speechless. You are such a great storyteller.
I always find myself crying at the end of all your videos, your storytelling is unmatched. Thank you for making these fabulous works of art that shine a light on the often forgotten figures of history. ❤️
Great video. It reminded me of my love for the Peter Pan mythology ( especially the Tinker Bell elements thanks to the Disney films ) and it was fascinating to learn about this history for the first time. Also I remember that tv special and used to watch that all the time as a kid. But after watching that clip in the video ( which I totally forgot about ) I don't think I'll be rewatching that any time soon. Hopefully next year's Peter Pan & Wendy will not include any offensive portrayals of native american people and their various cultures.
These historical insights are so good. Two things that seem apparent both with The Wizard of Oz and this, Peter Pan. There is so much darkness if not tragedy to a tale and story meant to be so benign and innocent. And YET, the production, the real life troubles, all of it is so beautifully masqueraded by this wonder, hope, and optimism, you'd swear it was all sunshine and roses making it. Bless everyone involved with these properties for giving generations upon generations a sense of life, love, and wonder, captivatingly protecting us and giving us hope, even if they didn't have it themselves.
Oh, also, I did clap for Tink so our awkward hang time a la Does the Explorer didn't go down in vein. LOL
Once again you've done a fabulous job, Kaz! Thank you for telling Maude's story. The transition period between stage and film must have been difficult, and Maude's distaste for film is understandable. I've generally thought of Peter Pan as asexual, and sometimes wonder if that was how Barre felt but couldn't articulate. We often think of developing sexual attraction as an inherent part of growing up, but what of those who have little or no sexual desire? Are they just never "real" adults?
ur schenectady pronunciation was admirable! as a queer who grew up nearby, first theatre experience was peter pan, and who went to the theatre in schenectady all the time, this video hit homeeeee
I loved this video and your costume! I've used to love Peter pan as a kid especially the 2003 version. I think a lot of young sapphic women love these drag/principle boy roles because in them it's socially acceptable to love women and show both masculine and feminine sides
I've never found it so fun to learn about biographys and the insigths of previous eras as with you Kaz, truly, all the love and appretiation for your work
This has helped me put a few pieces together. I never really felt a connection to Peter Pan, but seem to have an unusual number of close platonic/queerplatonic friends who do. (And I feel the need to specify "platonic" only because romantic relationships with this particular subset of my friends have always turned out to have been a bad idea.) There are worse roles in the world than "Peter Pan's odd but supportive queer auncle."
I've been reading the annotated version of Peter pan and saw info about Maude, and was so curious about her. I'm so excited to watch this!
I've seen the 2003 peter pan over 100 times. I do an annual rewatch. It's a beautiful movie, my favorite one of all time.
It really sucks that I have such nostalgia for the 1960 Peter Pan. I always knew blond Tiger Lily was wrong, but I very much enjoyed watching the scenes change and the musical numbers were very fun. I liked it better than the Disney version growing up.
Oh please, you’ll hate the Disney version for not being to your woke standards.
@@thEannoyingE Great reading skills, bro.