Driftmark disagreement scene - Baela supports Rhaenys getting Driftmark
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HotD’s Lord of the Tides and episode opens up with a 6 year time skip and Baela is Rhaenys’ ward. They disagree with Vaemond Velaryon about driftmark’s inheritance. Vaemond suggest he’ll go to Alicent instead of Viserys
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Driftmark throne scene at High Tide. Vaemond doesn’t want bastards taking over his family’s seat, Rhaenys has to play the game or her tongue gets taken, Baela wants to support her grandmother. Lots of chaos 🐉🌊
Even if he didn’t want Driftmark to go to Laenor’s children, Driftmark should have rightfully gone to Laena’s instead.
Women are last in the line of succession in Westeros, excluding Dorne. Vaemond had every right to do what he did. Hate that they killed him off for speaking the truth. Just goes to show how bad of a king Viserys was.
@@paawan3764 Per Westorosi Law AND tradition. A daughter inherits before an uncle. Laenas daughters were ahead of him in succuession.
Nice try.
@@paawan3764 The daughter of the lord is supposed to inherit before the brother. That’s why Cersei is lady of Casterly Rock, instead of Kevan.
That’s why Rhaenys is called The Queen Who Never Was. She should have inherited the throne
@@JockcoZ You're right, I just looked it up. Daughters inherit before uncles in all houses excluding the iron throne. But my point still stands. Laena married into the Targaryens. Her daughters last names are Targaryen. Vaemond is still the last living true blood Velaryon.
Baela once again proving she’s the GOAT and just as fiery as her parents.
How he thinks that it would go to him over his granddaughters is crazy 😂
It's all Corlys' fault, he wants Lucerys to inherit Driftmark since that way his name will be passed on, though he could give it to Baela by giving her the name Velaryon
Typical second son reasoning.
@@Emy-fv5nyexactly it’s the same shit otto pulled.
@@Emy-fv5ny
Vaemond was the rightful heir
It would go to him, hes a Velaryon
It would have been very awkward if Vaemond successfully usurped Driftmark only for Corlys to wake up and find out.
I guess Vaemond would just stay in Kings Landing under the Greens protection until Corlys dies (he is an old man after all). If they both lasted until the Dance then i can see House Velaryion splitting into two factions, one supporting Vaemonds claim and the Greens and the other Lucerys claim and the Blacks.
@@amanimckenzie32Or at least until Rhaenyra takes Kings Landing then executes him same as Otto.
@@matthewriley7826
Still counts as kin slaying
@@thalmoragent9344 Execution for crimes like treason or sedition is different than abject murder.
@@gerromecampbell9223
You’re a kinslayer if you kill your family, regardless of reason.
"Ambition brought calamity". The clown forgets that his brother and he ALONE made his house powerful.
Then destroyed it
yea and you forgot that the brother destroyed the house as well
@@Meme-jo7uj Not really House Velaryon would remain a great power after the dance, only loosing that power when Robert won the civil war.
@@Phantom19913no, it didn’t suddenly lose power when Roberts rebellion concluded.
It started rapidly declining over the dance, after the Gullet, spice town was never rebuilt, high tide was sacked and all the money of the velaryons went with it, tons of men and ships were destroyed, Alyn managed to slightly rebuild it but he wasn’t as good as building wealth like Corlys was and was more of a spender then him, Daenara was the last marriage of a velaryon and targaryen as far as books go, and that only went through because Baela and Rhaena were Aegons older sisters and Alyn was well liked by Aegon.They steadily lost power and faded from Influence, no longer having the greatest navy and not being at all wealthy anymore, marriages to the house no longer happened because they no longer offered anything special, no dragons, no great wealth or fleet.By the time of the rebellion the velaryons were lick spittles of Aerys and after the ships wrecked in the storm, they couldn’t even rebuild from that.
Essentially it went from a great house level strength and a strong rival of the Targaryens before the dance, to a large fleet wielding house during Aegon 3’s rule that benefited from Baela and Rhaena being the kings sisters, to incredibly minor all the way to the rebellion where a storm at dragonstone was all it took to cripple the remaining fleet the house boasted.By GOT, the main fleet in Stannis’s forces is the essosi forces he gets from people like Salador Sann.
@@Phantom19913 How many men they provided to royal army in this rebelion?
Baela so badass I can’t wait to see more of her 😩
This might be weird but this is my favorite scene of rhaenys.. just how she sits there so elegantly yet authoritatively 👑
She should have been queen.
Ja. Rhaenys Tagaryen hätte Königin sein sollen. #the Queen who never was
Truth be told, the rightful heir to Driftmark was in that room & it was not Vaemond, it was Baela. It was not wise of Corlys to choose an heir nor of his blood but Vaemond only wanted Driftmark for himself. If it was for anything else, he would’ve pushed Baela’s claim instead of his own, but to do so would have to change the succession of the Iron Throne.
And his tongue he got
Vaemond is wrong and right at the same time, coryles' ambition elevated house velaryon IMMENSELY he made them the second greatest and richest house in westeros BUT it was also his ambition that annihilated house velaryon and everything it ever was and could've been even up to game of thrones timeline house velaryon hasn't recovered from what coryles did to them and are barely significant.
Honestly, if Vaemond had said Driftmark should go to Baela instead of himself, I think he could've actually convinced Rhaenyra to support Vaemond's plans to usurp Rhaenyra's sons. In the show its very clear Rhaenys struggled to support Rhaenyra since she believes Rhaenyra to be involved with her son's "Death". Whilst I believe Vaemond truly was honest about preserving House Velaryon's bloodline, the simple fact is when he mentioned HE was the the one who needed to inherit it, he lost all credibility. If he supported the succession as it should be, IE as in Baela and Rhaena, I think Rhaenys would've eventually supported his plan. Of course this hinges entirely on Corlys actually dying, which he doesn't. But in another episode she did actually try to convince Corlys that Laena's children should inherit over Rhaenyra's sons, so it is possible this could have worked.
The brother was right. The ambition of the sea snake brought only destruction and death to their house
Their House still exists
Corlys outlived everyone
@@joel5135only cause Corlys had two backup sons with another woman. Thankfully, alyn got the driftwood throne, not Luke
Honestly, it is so crazy that such proud and self-made rich lord like Corlys would allow Rhaenyra to use the name of his family on her bastards without any objection or resistance.
@@pedrofernandes2466 His wife´s hair were black as were her mother´s Jocelyn Baratheon. The only thing indicating Lucerys is a bastard is that he has a pug nose. Pretty weak evidence if you ask me. Also Corlys liked his grandchildren and saw them as capable heirs. And finally calling Jace, Luke or Joffrey bastards was the most blatant way to commit treason against the king. So no, nothing crazy about Corlys supporting claim of his grandchildren.
@@senorpupik320 But his grandaughter's hair was silver and they had Laena's lean nose, while Rhaenyra's bastards had black hair(not dark black hair of the Baratheons). That and the fact that Laenor was widely know to be gay. Ok, I did not. That is even worse, to believe that a bastard of house strong with no sailing experience was a better heir than his own nephew who actually grew up in Driftmark and is an actual Velaryon? That is insane. Not as treasonous as actually making them, if the king wasn't biease. But I did not said openly calling them for what they are, I said having any objection or resistance you are the one who decided to interpret that way. So Yes, it is still crazy of him to support the Water boys.
Master of Complains strike again! 😂
This "complaint" is valid. Sorry
Those boys are not Velaryon.
@@janellejulianajoyNot your house to choose the heir to. Neither was it Vaemond's, especially after his LORD brother declared who he wanted as his heir.
Sorry.
Baela is quite wiser
Baela is fire and indomitable as Daemon.
She's also coquette and high value like Laena.
Can we talk about how grand that chair is. Its finer than the iron thrown
I’m sorry, the closest kin he has left? Say what you want about Rhaenyra’s children, but Coralys has other grandchildren. Disgusting.
Rhaenys knows her cousin so well! "My cousin the king will have your tongue for this!" foreshadows his exact reaction in the throne room upon hearing the accusations of illegitimacy: "I will have your tongue for this!"
Athena
So if I understand correctly inheritance laws follow male primogenitor. Basically, this means lands will prioritize men before women regardless of how close a woman is. So the example would be a Lord who has two sons and two daughters while the Lord's brother has two sons of his own, if the Lord and his two sons die without heirs of their own the Lord's brother would inherit the lands, and his sons after him. The only way for the Lord's daughters to inherit would be if all men in their family die thus leaving them as the sole family member. The other option would be for the Lord to declare ahead of time that he wants his lands to pass through his daughters before going to his brother.
In Corlys' case, he expressed clearly and openly to everyone that his heir was Luke his grandson from Laenor. So while Vaemond could bitch and moan all he wanted so long as Corlys or the King never changed their mind on the matter Luke would stay heir.
I don't think the inheritance laws in Westeros were as clear as all that. In "A Dance With Dragons", Jon Snow opines that a daughter comes before an uncle, although I am sure others would disagree. Fact is, inheritance laws were a bit vague, and probably deliberately so, which allowed for all sorts of claims.
Wrong. Look up "male preference primageniture" on wikipedia, or on the wiki of ice and fire. It means "a son comes before a daughter, a daughter comes before a brother".
What you just described (where brothers inherit before daughters) is called absolute male primogeniture, and is NOT the system used in westeros (at least not before the dance)
The easy way to remember the difference is that male preference means a preference for males, but not at the expense of position in the family tree. Absolute male means only males, even if you've got to look in different spots of the family tree.
@@randomstrategy7679 If that were so settled in Westeros, then why did Rhaenys have such a solid case to present to the Great Council? Clearly, not all of the lords agreed with that wiki.
@@TrackerNeil Because
1)The *actual* law is "whoever a lord names as his heir is his heir". Male preference primogeniture only applies when the lord hasn't made a public choice. If the lord chooses someone else, that's legally their heir.
2) Jaehaerys had already (very controversially) named Baelon to be his heir, despite Rhaenys being his traditional heir according to the rules. This is what started the succession crisis - before Jaehaeeys did that, his heir was just Rhaenys, no questions asked. So the rules of succession were already fucked when he later called the great council to choose between Rhaenys (Jaehaerys's original heir before he started messing around with succession and naming other people as his heir), Laenor (heir of Rhaenys) and Viserys (heir of Baelon). The Great Council decided that the son of the guy named as heir was better than the original heir.
You're close but still wrong in one regard: Andal law allows for daughters to inherit if there isn't a living brother to inherit first, but they always are held above in the line of succession over the uncles. So in your example, if the Lord and his 2 sons died, then the eldest daughter would technically be the rightful heir before the Lord's brother's line had any right to it. The rest, however, is correct in that a Lord can decide to disinherit an established heir and designate a daughter as his chosen heir, the problem there is that that tends to cause tensions and discussions because rarely does the disinherited party remain quiet and rarely do people around accept a female ruler without question.
Vaemond didn’t lie he only spoke facts and wanted the best for his house 🤷🏿♂️
Right. It's like...the hell?! You're giving our ancestral seat to.a bastard?!
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@@janellejulianajoyCorlys choose the Hull boys who were literal bastards to succeed him in the books...
Driftmark would pass to Baela.
And Lucerys was no bastard, but the legal, proclaimed, accepted son of Laenor.
Laenor never declared him a bastard, he never said anything about it.
Vaemond was right. He's the closest kin Corlys has left. And he's a Velaryon of the male line, which goes above Baela, a female of the Targaryen line.
Driftmark belongs to the Velaryon line, and while Baela's mom was Laena Velaryon, Baela is of House Targaryen, by her father, Daemon.
Something that can be changed. Corlys anticipated that Rhaenys would be Queen and stood by her to make it happen, but, she's passed over.
Now Martin himself said that once Laenor died, Baela became the legitimate heir to Driftmark. This is no different than Cersei Lannister becoming the Lady of Casterly Rock after Tywin dies. Jaime can't inherit as a knight of the kingsguard, and Tyrion is basically disinherited. Now, Tywin's younger brother Kevan, could contest it but legally it went to Cersei.
In Andal law, a daughter comes before a younger brother.
Laenor dead, Draftmark goes to Laena.
Laena dead, it would pass on to her eldest daughter, Baela.
She would simply change her name to Velaryon and voilà.
Don’t worry guys and corly has a male son from another women and he will be lord of driftmark Adam of Hull
A seat can be an ancestral belonging to a specific house, but it doesn't mean it will always belong to said house. The rules of succession in Andal law do not restrict a seat as belonging to a specific House, but rather it simply relates to succession by both kinship and sex: sons and daughters inherit before brothers and sisters, and males inherit before females, in that order. Therefore, a daughter would inherit before an uncle had any right to. As such, if Rhaenyra's sons were really bastards and thus had no right to inherit, then Laena's line comes next and thus Baela, being the eldest, would be the rightful heir before Vaemon in any circumstance.
@@maxi1ification What I heard that for other seats in house that fine, but for the royal line House Targaryen it is always the Males comes first!!!!
It's all Rhaenyra's fault. She was in complete control of who was the father of her kids, if it wasn't going to be her actual husband. She could have thought ahead to the succession crisis she was going to cause and taken a lover who at least looked like her or her husband so there was some plausible deniability. Such hubris.
I always thought that as well. There are enough people in the free cities with silver hair who have valyrian ancestry. Or she could have discussed the matter that it doesn't work with Laenor with Corlys and they would have found someone they can trust for their "seed". She doesn't need to sleep with him. And they knew about contraceptives there as well like moon tea. She could still have Harwin Strong on the side. Just not get pregnant from him. 3!!! times.... She sabotaged herself.
@@danika9411 Even Dragonstone had silver haired people. who knows? She could have slept with Adam and thus technically continued the Valarion blood
@@danika9411ye but she wanted strong kids so
@@danika9411yes but it was about the trust as well she loved harwin and trusted him so much especially with the truth her their sons if it was someone else that truth would be held over her head like an Axe ready for a swing of the truth was told by the father.
@@Mcherrithey all died anyways 😂
She should have seriously thought about having kids with Velaryons. Anyone would have been fine. It was even more easier in the books as Velaryons are white like Targaryens and have blood ties with them for centuries. They could easily pass as each other houses.
Vaemond had no right to the driftwood throne
Luke had been legitamized via royal decree,meaning he is legally a true born heir,so he should have kept his mouth shut like a good little second son...
Not true. The only Velaryon who wanted Luke was Corlys. Rhaenys would only ask Corlys to make Baela his heir if she knew she had the wiggle room. Rhaenys is ruling in Corlys stead and it's obvious she was grooming Baela. The only thing giving Luke a lifeline is his betrothal to Rhaena as she is apart of Corlys bloodline. Without Rhaena, I promise you that be would not be Lord of Driftmark.
We see what Otto and the Green's did after Viserys death. I'm sure the same would go down with House Velaryon.
King Viserys never "legitimized" Lucerys, because that would have meant acknowledging he was a bastard in the first place. Viserys simply asserted that Luke was trueborn and that anyone claiming otherwise would receive all all-expense-paid evening with a pair of hot pincers.
you've clearly misunderstood the story with such a false, stupid claim
Even if he was legitimized (he wasn't) he would still have no claim to Driftmark because he had no relation at all to House Velaryon. I think the argument that Baela and Rhaena had better claims than Vaemond is fair though.
@@lucasistrom
Their plan was to marry Rhaena and Luke,meaning he would have a claim through her as lord consort,so even if he wasn't legitimized publicly,he still has a better claim than Vaemond...
Suppose Daemon didn’t kill him off, what do y’all think the situation would be when Lord Corlys returned?
Who knows. Vaemond may have swayed Corlys....until Luke is killed, and I would hope that Aemond wouldn't have been dumb enough to go after Luke knowing he was the "grandson" of their new ally. but this is Aemond. It would happen regardless. Remember, Rhaenys had to talk Corlys into staying as he wanted nothing else to do with Rhaenyra. There are times that it's clear Corlys wishes he didn't take Rhaenyra's side and he almost leaves her.
While he sounds selfish but hes right. Anyone in his place would do the same .
Yet people argue against it. Like, I'm team Black but come on now...what house would be cool.wirh this?!
@@janellejulianajoyEvery house? Jeyne Arryn choose a distant third cousin to succeed her and both Greens and Blacks supported her because she had the right to name her heir.
No. I wouldn't. And not all houses would. Corlys for example chose Lucerys as his heir. He's brother to the future king. He's to be married to his granddaughter. Meaning his great grandchild will inherit Driftmark. And spoiler
this is what happens although not quite in the same way as of course Lucerys is now dead. But Corlys has other kids. Bastards.
@@louwinters508 yes Corlys chose Lucerys but that's in the show, in the books which are more logical - Rhaenyra asked Corlys to make Lucerys the heir to Driftmark since she had already betrothed Lucerys to Rhaena and Jace and Baela , thus Corlys anyways gets his blood on the throne as well as on Driftmark through his granddaughters by blood and grandsons by name . Remember when Lucerys died , Joffrey should have become the heir to Driftmark but Corlys bought his bastard who were HIS blood even if they were illegitimate. And remember Corlys later betrays Rhaenyra by saving the live of Addam by informing him and makin him escape when she ordered the dragonseeds to be arrested for questions aka torture if needed .Thus blood runs thicker than water.
Does this brother have children or wife?????
@@sanitizerwilson1599 Yes Vaemond had a son named Daeron
I feel like characters like vaemond are suppose to represent anti wokeness that’s why these woke times decided they have to get rid of him.
What the hell you're talking about?
I'm pretty sure life would be delightfully funny and wacky, if I had the same unhinged, out-of-pocket thoughts as you do.
Why is there one of these weirdos in every comment section on UA-cam
I offended all the wokies 😂😂 maybe u will wake up someday who knows even tho u call urself woke 🙄 😂
@@madronnie9725 yeah why are you here?
Vaemond is a horrible character. The actor isnt good
lies
Can't say I agree with that last statement. But you can tell in the behind the scenes interview that the actor took Vaemond's death way too personally 🤣
It’s sad for the queen who never was that her marriage fall apart after Leonor left them… she probably faced vagar and aegon thinking her life is over now anyways… she nothing to live for anymore…
I won’t have no sympathy once rhenys gets burned by at rooks rest
I won’t have no sympathy once rhenys gets burned by at rooks rest