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Yamaha DTX10K Mesh And TCS Review
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- Опубліковано 12 сер 2024
- The Yamaha DTX10K series is finally out in stores, but is it worth buying? That's what this review is all about.
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I love TCS pads, wish Yamaha would make a Larger kit. The new module seems like it fits into the middle level, would be nice to see a VAD Yamaha competition
"the Keyboard department gets all the cool stuff" with the synthy motif underneath... seen this review many times, never noticed that until now 😂😂 Nice job Justin!
Lol thanks! I try to sneak in little jokes in different videos
Thank you so much for yet ANOTHER ridiculously detailed and helpful review. You are quickly becoming indispensable. Cheers.
I was waiting for another outstanding 65 Drums video... Nice job, my friend. Great to see you!
thanks!
The SOUNDS in this are SO good
Ended up grabbing a td27-kv based on your review which is my first edrum kit. Thanks.
The TCS heads, to me, are the closest thing to the real stick on a head feel you get from an acoustic kit. I love the predictable bounce and the sense of shock absorbing when hitting hard over time. I've had some TCS heads for 12 years that still work great. It's Yamaha's greatest unique feature and the way they are significantly superior to Roland.
Big TSC fan here too. And I have a mesh kit. At home I have a full set of XP pads, 8" a couple of 10's, a 12" snare and a 12" tom. I absolutely love them. I would prefer to gig with this kit and put the mesh for home use. Thinking of it... I might just do that.
I was wondering about that... I really don't care for the Roland mesh/pantyhose kits. The bounce is ridiculous. Glad to hear that the TCS will last. I'm a bit of a heavy hitter and was concerned that wood sticks would eventually tear the surface as they begin to chip on the tip.
Agreed. Wish they still made the XP-style pads at 10" and 12" - like their last gen 700 & 900 kits. You can only get those in 7" and 8" now.
Agreed. I have had my DTX900 since 2011 and it has been played extensively, practised on and recorded with. It's still close to new. Once you go TCS you will never go back to mesh.
Great review. I received my TDX PRO X module last Friday, I was able to dial in my DIY pads fairly easy. Build quality is a little suspect (plastic). Sounds are good, not on par with Ad5, but the Prox has so much more ability to edit and better I/O.
Yes, been waiting for a review :D
Man I love so much the punchy drum sound from Yamaha drum modules!
The Yamaha DTX10 kit with mesh heads is only $100 more than the Roland TD-27KVS kit in Canada. Nice to have great choices in this price range.
It's definitely a sweet kit. I love the black one.
Just to add something about having to save changes, 2box modules also do that. Which was handy for me when I dep for a drummer who's got a 2box set up. I always customise the trigger settings and snare sound when I am depping, then at the end of the night I turn it off without saving so when he comes in the next night, it's like I was never there.
These are perfect for me. I'll bet you see DTX premium full shell kits up next with an upgraded module. Pricing would be Roland stupid but such is life.....
Awesome video, thanks for the information. Can you do a video on optimizing the hi hat please? How do you set it to really get all of the open hats sounding and feeling realistic to an acoustic kit? Also wondering about best practices for building custom kits with third party wavs or even self recorded wavs. Thanks!
Well done - great sound - for esthetic reasons the cables should go inside the rack tubes (if that is an option with this set)
That display roast was lit
Yes on my dtx8 i get the same issue. Both crashes sounds a bow sound instead of the edge on the first hit after a "turn on"... after that its fine
The snare actually, finally, sounds like a snare. Nice!
I love a lot about this kit but the main issue for me (and what I am looking for as a buyer this year) is the sizes. This is a good step for Yamaha but I still would like a 14 inch snare and some larger toms.
I’m pretty sure you can use mesh pads with these new Yamaha modules. Yamaha now has mesh drums in its line up since the Roland 20 year patent ran out. You could have a 14” snare or w/e sizes you prefer. I’ve heard that for drums over 14” you should try to use 3 ply heads for best triggering/20” bass drum size triggers well and don’t feel like kicking a trampoline
@@mattryan6886 True, nothing stopping one taking an acoustic snare, putting a trigger in/on it, a decent mesh head and then using the snare pad as a 2nd floor tom. That's what I would probably do. And like you say, when using drums 14" or over, it's paramount you get a decent mesh head. I put a ZED triple ply on a 13" and it's still WAY too spongy. Roland Powerply is a good choice, Drum-tec pro probably the best for feel, though it is meant to be the loudest.
@@steevidrums I now have the dtx6 kit and absolutely love it. The Yamaha snare and 15” ride are fantastic. I bought the whole kit used and put together myself and saved 1000$ off retail price. Only sacrifice being I got older kp-65 kick tower instead of new kp-90. I don’t even use kick tower I use double Roland kt-10 kick trigger pedals. Module sounds fantastic , sounds better than stock td-17. Still like my td/17 and use it with Yamaha for crash cymbal sounds and some of my layered snare sounds I have not been able to recreate yet on my Yama
Looks pretty good and sounds nice as well I was actually drawn to the sounds after using Roland for so long . shame about the physical drum sizes ! I like drums sizes to be drum sizes or I feel like I’m playing toy , but I do get it a lot of people prefer a smaller set up can’t please everyone I guess thats why I converted an acoustic kit it works for me .
Great video! Question! Are these kits acceptable and practice for live gig settings ?
I dont think its a glitch in the firmware. This new module seems to have some type of multi layer sampling judging by the sounds and fluidity. I know in the case of the strike and even the mimic when you switch kits not all layers of the samples will be instantly loaded and the modules prioritize loading certain layers and sounds. A good way to notice this is change any kit and immediately start playing a buzz roll on the snare. You can actually hear the depth and round robins kick in as the layers get filled in after the primary samples have loaded.
Very good Review...Bassdrum pad small,i wish Yamaha make 18 Bassdrum...Sound realy good...one question..wen you Split the Toms or Cymbales for more Pads ,is that mono out for the pads.?..mean only head on Toms you can play...than mono signal right?
Lovely stuff
great review + thanks for sharing your edrum wisdom ! 1) On this module, how would you set up a dynamic user drum kit changer ( up+down) while you are playing via a midi foot pedal or switch? I notice there is no foot switch port on this module and not wanting to waste a drum pad. 2) How does this module compare to Roland td50 in VALUE and sound quality? I know the Roland is much more expensive. 3) I am in a remote location where I will be sending singular drum track files out to people - does this module compare favorably to Roland regarding DAW compatibility or being able to generate a universal file that they can input into their DAW? thanks kindly
Yamaha has just fixed the issue (as mentioned by Justin in the video at 4:20)that the first edge shot on the crash triggers a bow sound with new software update v1.04
Glad to see Yamaha finally taking E-drums seriously. However, I converted my Yamaha acoustic Stage Birch kit to and e-kit using Serious Drummer for a fraction of the price of any of the Yamaha or Roland kits, and I'll never look back. Probably apples and oranges, but I'm done paying those exorbitant prices for the higher-end e-kits. Nice review!!
Since I have no kit of any kind, it makes more sense to go with something like this rather than what you went with.
The Yamaha DTX10K is a nice looking kit. how do you compare the sounds to the Roland kits ? and would you rather own it than a Roland VAD 506 ? and for a little more money you can get the Roland TD50KV with the 50x module and digital snare, hi hat and ride cymbal. which is the better deal and better set ? please give me your opinion ,,, which kit would you most like to own out of those three kits. and why, thank you
No, Millenium (that I have) forgets everything you set up too when you don't push save everytime you change kit or trigger.. For trigger there's a save button and when you change something on the kit you have to save it to you personal kits because preprogrammed kits stay the same and you can only change the trigger settings.
Very nice review!! I think it is a bit too expensive compared to other brands!!
how all kits trigger software out of the box may be a great but huge vid :) ezd3 vs slate vs ad2 the biggies
Good review. A lot of information I haven't been able to see elsewhere (including the manual). Two questions for information I still haven't seen. Wonder if anyone has input. 1. Does each pad have a MIDI transmit note setting - preferably 2 for head/rim with dual zone pads for hybrid kits with Superior Drummer. 2. Anyone have experience pairing this module with Roland pads? I have enough Roland pads. I'm thinking to use a few PD85 pads as additional toms and a PD128S as a secondary snare. There are a few sounds in the module that are very appealing to me.
Any input appreciated.
Thanks for the review!! I have my DTX8 kit on order and can't wait to try it out. I have a Roland TD11K kit but the sounds and construction of the Yamahas seem legit even compared to the nicer Rolands. Would love the ProX module but $2800 was my budget limit.
Likewise. I've owned four Roland kits with the last one being the TD17KV. I sold it and bought the Yamaha DTX8K-M just over 3 weeks ago for a very reasonable price when compared to the Roland TD27KV and VAD306 that I was considering. The build quality is solid and beautiful and the sampled sounds of the DTX-Pro are very authentic. The sound module has a great collection of songs and a really useful training feature, including a versatile and cool looking old school metronome. The onboard layout is nice and easy to use and overall I think it is far superior to the Roland TD17 sound module and so far I am very pleased with it.
How’s it been since you got it? Been thinking about the dtx 8 with tcs heads
@@rippindrummer666 Hey there. I have the mesh head version so I can’t speak about those heads but overall I’ve been pretty happy with them. Love the hardware/rack. Very sturdy and give them the real drum feel. I still have to hurdles with triggering within a DAW using EZ Drummer. The hi hat is finicky and rimshots on the snare sometimes don’t work all the time. I give it a 4 out of 5 experience.
I purchased the Dtx 8 and have to wait till April to receive it but I’m so excited for it
The shipping delays are crazy
@@65Drums oh my god I know I have had them in order for so long now and am getting so impatient because I’m so excited to play them. This was a great review Justin. I was literally waiting for you to review these.
I was lucky enough to get one of the first DTX-8s in the US. You won't regret it!
@@tebling oh my god I am so jealous!! I’m counting down the days man until they arrive in the mail
Same here hopefully March
Does this or EF note 5/7 sound better? Thanks for sharing your experience playing with both
Justin. Kraft music is selling the alesis strike pro se with headphones and a awesome monitor and other Knick knacks for $3600 which I really like should I consider this set or stick with the alesis thanks
my guess is the rack makes it expensive😁. Built like a freaking tank.
too bad you didn't review the blue tooth.
Otherwise, nice review. Keep up the good work.
Out of Roland, Yamaha, and Alesis I think I like Yamaha sounds better. But 4 my a to e conversion I got a strike module and Superior drummer 3 VST which blows all the different brands stock module sounds out of the water!
I’m thinking of getting a DTX8 is it worth it? If you take out the price difference which heads would be better for long term economics and reliability, silicone or mesh?
Yamaha DTX10K mesh or Roland td27kvx2. Which of the two do you recommend in terms of capabilities and better real sounds?
I really like Yamaha’s user interface design on both new modules. The 3 dials from EAD-10 for quickly editing sounds and new fader design are 🔥 Hopefully Yamaha will release similar iOS apps for editing drum module like M-12 and 500/700/900 like previous generation. Those apps were very powerful and much better than menu diving on small screen. If Yamaha updates its M-12 multipad with these new sounds and larger storage capacity that would be very powerful combination and 💯 worth it
An iOS/android editor for these kits would be amazing feature. Though I am not sure if the hardware supports it. I remember seeing those apps on the older modules and being impressed Yamaha are have really hit on something no one else has.
I was wondering if the drums with the red knob that adjusts the sound are no longer in fashion? I play drums at my church and the snare having that knob is awesome for quick changes. I have been looking for a replacement for my son's Yamaha DTX500 electronic set that is in my den and will be going to his new house in the March time frame but as a non-gigging drummer, I can't justify $4000+ on a set...
Hi Justin! I got the DTX900 kit. And i am thinking of swapping just the module for dtx prox. Do you think it's a bad idea? My dtx900 is still working like a new, but i don't know what to do. Thx
I'm literally a drum newbie - just started learning a month ago, bought a DTX-6K-X. The DTX-PRO module is surprisingly good, and I think I would appreciate the DTX-PROX for the fast kit edit functions. I've found tweaking sounds to be something I like being able to do, however I'd rather be able to do it really quickly, and menu diving is not fun. Also, it seems like both the PRO machine guns more than I would expect for something from A Big Player (Yamaha) in 2020. The individual hits have realistic real ambience - like a heavy kick hit has snare rattle etc - and then you do a roll and it's just retrigretrigretrigretrig. It seems like the module can do some kind of round-robin thing, but not with the factory samples unless you literally use different drum sounds for each of the 4 slots. Is that also true of the PROX module?
The ProX, while has mostly the same sounds, I believe there's more layers in the ProX versions of the sounds, so you would hear less of the machine gunning of the sounds on the ProX module. Even though the review here he's not noticed that, in another very detailed video from Simon Edgoose, he states this as fact.
I like how it has a strong/metal rack. The sounds are excellent. The sizes could be increased, and the kick drum looks dated.
Do you get actual head/rimshot/cross-stick on the snare with the mesh head? It appears to be just a basic dual zone pad!
am i the only one who thinks this module sounds a lot better than td 50???(well if u use the stock sounds and not change anything)
I also think it sounds better overall. The recording and sampling of real drums/cymbals makes a great diference.
The Td-50 module is still a beast, but not a simple one to tame and set. I found out the DTX-prox, although less powerful on the settings, is quite easier to learn.
I have a Td10exp. Some of the sounds in my Yamaha dd65 are better than the stock Roland sounds😅
@@guilhermecaran3363 yeah i mean if u use the right settings with the td50 it can sound like nothing else but the stock sounds are just poop.
@@johndef5075 haha
The cheaper dtx6kx drumset also sounds better than my td50. The roland thing isnthe feel of the digital pads though
If they made bigger TCS pads, this would be awesome. The drum sizes are real small.
Noob question but can I mix and match parts from both the DTX models? Can’t afford the 10K but don’t want the 10 inch floor tom on the 8K. So down the line can I swap out the 8K’s tom for the 10Ks? I’m pretty sure I can buy would like to confirm.
I play an ancient DTX532K set with the RHH135 hi-hat, which I assume is the same as the one in this kit. The one I have only HAS three positions: open, half-open, closed (bow and rim), which I'm tired of. Is the hi-hat in this configuration also this limited? Or did things change when the modules became more advanced? If anyway knows, I'm curious to find out. Thanks!
I have another brand with 3 zone cymbals and have the same dramas with one that doesnt sound correctly when I hit and had to change the middle zone to and edge sound. No biggie but its a pain for a 2grand system and this is via midi too, so not the module.
hey justin love your channel since early days, im looking at upgrading my bass drum would you recommend this bass drum or do you think i should get the roland kd140
Played the TCS few days before. I was blown away by the felling and „real“ response. I don’t like the felling of Mesh heads.
@@Calz70 I would say its pretty close.
@@Calz70 You just need to apply decent tension to 2-ply mesh heads and they will feel a lot less bouncy. My snare is really tight and it's pretty close to a real snare (Efnote btw but doesn't matter - all 2-ply mesh heads work the same more or less)
@@r.gelmers6580 I jacked up the tension on my practice snare with a 14'' Pearl muffle head, and i agree with the other guy, the rebound is extremely unrealistic
How would you compare this kit to the Roland TD25K? I came from an acoustic kit and I absolutely hate the hi-hats and the cymbals. How do they compare?
Opening fill awesome
Thanks Brian!
Can you run superior drummer and ez drummer through the dtx 10 and 8 modules?
Can you add an Additional Floor tom if you want to?
It seems to me that this module is way more pleasant to play right out of the box than any of the Roland ones. Seriously, TD-27 & TD-50 sound really shitty if you don’t configure everything properly, and being really honest, the best configurations I’ve seen still don’t match those Yamaha module sounds, they’re amazing and really ready to use.
That said, I’d go with Roland for the price. A TD-27 + Superior Drummer 3 seems to be a better deal IMHO.
YamaYeeeaaah!!
Does Yamaha make a foldable digital drumkits?
These sound like real drums
Can you control the module with an ipad?
Why would you want compact pad sizes with a massive drum rack though? The drum rack will make it take up as much or more space than a regular acoustic kit
That bass drum sample sounded like it needed a towl inside the bassdrum for sure..
Love everything but the price!
Un auténtico maquinon de batería electrónica YAMAHA
when will somebody figure out how to get rid of the machine gun effect? I purposely do not play rolls down the toms on my Roland t30 bc of this. pleassseee somebody figure it out
Alesis Strike is almost half the price as this kit, and it comes with much larger pads.
But the Yamaha dtx sounds, drum hardwares, Module is way better and more solid than Alesis
5:36 So on the TCS heads, it's literally just a single piezo taped to the bottom? That really seems like an extremely amateurish design. I would have thought they would have integrated the trigger better than just taping it to the bottom.
That Yamaha rack system alone is worth 2k. Especially in today's inflation rate. It's a steal.
Which one would you get and why? Atv kit with Pearl mimic pro module or Yamaha dtx 10? Around same price
Definitely the ATV kit with Mimic Pro. 360 cymbals alone are enough to go for the ATV and the mimic is the best because it's actually a VST library.
Does anyone know if Yamaha will be releasing an acoustic design kit, preferably in the near future? Justin, got any industry connections who may have some insights? Any facts, rumors, conjectures are welcome. Hard to believe that a company that makes full-size acoustic shells and electronic kits hasn't already released an AD e-kit.
Yamaha is a very confusing company. There are zero rumors about a larger electronic kit from them. For now, this is the only flagship they have. But in the past, this would fall into their lineup as an "upper mid range" kit in price.
@@65Drums Thanks for replying, Justin. Yes, Yamaha is confusing. Well, Roland confuses me, too, but at least they get stuff out there. I'd totally go for a DTXPROX-based acoustic design kit. Guess I'll be going with Roland or Ef-Note instead. Thanks again for your input, much appreciated.
wish they had a TCS option for the kick pad. these mesh heads are too bouncy to be a kick pad imo.
Is mesh the material that acoustic drums use?
No that's mylar for acoustic heads
What the fuck is with this KP128 kick pad? I bought the DTX10K-M and haven’t been able to play it properly because this kick stand won’t stabilize at all. I’ve tried 3 different pedals (double and single) and the wobble is insane.
Those drums look tiny with you behind them! They definitely should have gone with bigger sizes.
“See you in the next one” what??!!! :)
Yamaha just need to produce a wood shell, acoustic size kit with a vst level module for 4-5k
This kit offering doesn't seem to sit anywhere. It also sounds poor .
Order in Jan 2022. It’s mid-July. Has anyone else ordered and been waiting forever?!
Where did you order from?
@@josuefitmtz - I eventually got it. B&H is where I ordered from.
To be honest after a while of analyzing, I think it's quite overpriced - like, TD-27KV is 2/3 of it's price, VAD506 costs around the same and DTX-8 thing is around half it's price. Tbh I think most of my disappointment comes from DTX-PROX module, considering it isn't really that big upgrade over DTX-PRO
I think it should have cost the same as the TD27KV because the sizes and module are similar. But it's around $1400 more expensive
That's why I went with the DTX-8. I couldn't justify the 10 for the additional cost, and I bet the experience is very similar.
@@tebling Yeah, DTX-8 set seems like very good deal
I tried the DTX10 at the Yamaha music store in Singapore! It was amazing! I ended up gaining an audience because I was busting out Luke Holland chops! Best part - I even impressed all the employees!
Have you tried loading VST software instruments directly into the module? Specifically something huge like a Superior drummer or BFD type kit? Apparently you can load multiple velocity layers or something? Curious to know how good it sounds compared to triggering the software.
There's not enough import layers for a complete snare replacement. But if you start with a built in drum sound, and then bring in samples to change the sound and reinforce the tone, it's very powerful in that way.
@@65Drums OK, interesting. I really only trigger software and am not really interested in stock sounds so I guess I'll just keep waiting until somebody makes a module where I can load in massive amounts of samples....lol.
Thanks for the reply and great channel by the way. :)
Hey, this *edit* - CHINESE review showed him using a kit he sampled himself loaded onto it. He says the process was time consuming, but did achieve great results. You have to skip to the around the middle to get to that part.
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Even the DTX900 could do some great sounding sample kits, so I have high hopes for the DTXPRO-X in that regard.
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Snare doesn’t look too sturdy on that stand 😳
My floor isn't level, I think that's the true culprit
I can’t imagine wearing out the TCS heads. Anyone hitting hard enough to break them should probably get drum lessons.
Valid point. The only way I can think of damaging the head is if you have chipped sticks or if something falls on the drums.
Why on earth are they not making 3d triggering on their cymbals yet?? Serious downside to this expensive kit.
Get yourself a strike pro se and don't look back.
Nice kit, but I agree it's just way too overpriced
This drum doesn’t have a good stage presence to me for the price point. Surprised Yamaha chose these small built sizes when all the competition are doing full size sets. It’s a pass for me on this one. Not worth that hefty price tag.
Yamaha not catering to this set for stage presence at all. You are way off if you think that. This kit sure can be used on stage no problem but it's intended for compact areas, apartments etc. Compare apples with apples.
Sounds like the hi hat still sounds closed or totally open like their older drums, and still wont save changes to the module automatically. No thanks.
Expensive.
Yup
Man…there’s a lot to like about this kit and it really is great, but wow it’s overpriced.
This is the first E-Kit I've heard that didn't sound like total garbage. Well done Yamaha.
Sound is leagues ahead of Roland. It's not even a competition. But, the sizes are criminal - as is the price. The VAD506 is comparable, and with that you get actual shells. This is quite frankly embarrassing, for the price. These are the sizes you expect at the 1K mark. Forget the wood and the fancy stands. You're missing the most essential feature of the drum set - realistic size. You can do better yamaha, you know and we know that you can do better. And I'm looking forward to it :).
Realistic size is not something everyone favors, just sayin'. Most people don't have room for a 22'' bass drum and a kit with a 2 by 2 footprint. The shell sizes are quite OK and very playable. Shell size is not really that defining for the price, by the way. For 1K you can get a fullsized Xdrum kit (with a crappy module and crappy hardware).
when he hits the ride bell, the sick tip notes on the ride are nonresponsive. lol. The snare has no dynamic change from one stick hit to another. Every hit is the same tone. LOL. the toms all have the same tone with no variance. ALL E drums sound like crap
I hate electronic kits trying to be acoustic .
Man your drumming is getting to be off the chain.
Goof
I’m always confused with module reviews. All I hear about is how great Roland is. Roland sounds are the worst in the business. To me modules are all about sound. This kit sounds so good its hard to believe it’s real.
To me Roland is only great from a durability perspective.
Yamaha sounds better in 2023, but I like the Roland sets because they have better pads. Neither have the best offering in all categories at once unfortunately
Looks cheap plastic and very thin wiring.
It's not cheap at all, the build quality is great. The only plastic here is the underside of the cymbals and the drum module. The wires are thin, but when I started using them I noticed that they were pretty high quality too