The fact that he only needs to follow the physio’s finger with his eyes for them to assess wether he is ok or not to continue is fucking disgusting. Premier League and football protocols for concussions is still disgustingly bad. Many people have died/suffered brain-related injuries and still, this is what happens...
They should be using what are called Maddock's questions to see if a player is orientated/confused. We don't know the results of these, but concussion can take time to develop but it appeared for everyone watching that there were signs of concussion. Even if Ederson passed these questions, the medics should have had people passing info to them on their headsets regarding concussion signs prior to them getting there (as sometimes it's difficult for them to see exactly what's gone on). The FA run medical qualifications (which all medical staff have to have at premier league level) to avoid this happening
For real I was a referee for U14 and U12 local leagues and a goalkeeper ran into a pole hard enough that it knocked him out cold. I instantly subbed him out and made the coach call an ambulance which is what the rules of the league called for. Protocol in youth leagues should not be better than one of the most professional leagues in the world
He didn’t have a concussion He had a small fracture in his eye socket No concussion sub was used as he didn’t have a concussion it’s as plain and simple as that
when Mudryk got hit in the face by Lamptey the other day he was immediately taken off, Chelsea played with 10 men for a couple of minutes because there's no way they were gonna let mudryk play for even a few minutes just to have 11 players on the field. Not taking ederson off after he just got absolutely clattered and took a knee to the face is absolutely insane.
Romero got subbed off in first game of season against Brentford in first half of the match, Ange subbed him off immediately. Romero similar to Ederson was angry like that. Jan Vertonghen another Spurs player who too got concussion in a match and he was allowed to keep playing but little did he knew that he totally fucked his brains out by playiing that whole match. His performance declined too fast, in covid when football was shut down that's when he got recovered by that concussion. He was suffering for more than 2 years of concussion till then. So yeah it's pretty serious.
For all the crap we Chelsea fans give the medical team (thanks to the massive injury list this season), I'm glad they didn't mess around with Mudryk the way City did with Ederson.
Physio in football here... Firstly, amazing work pointing out the severity of concussions and the importance of removing players from the pitch when suspected. Fencing is the word you were looking for for the uncontrolled movement after Head injuries. However, if you're playing and this happens (or you find someone down anywhere) Head Tilt Chin lift is the go to for opening an airway (stopping the tongue from falling back and occluding it). If a neck injury is suspected, use a jaw thrust. Both of these will open the airway most of the time (unless blocked by debris). Putting someone in the recovery position is good if you're alone and need to get help, or if there is debris (blood, vomit etc) to help clear the airway until help arrives. And please, please, please, don't stick your fingers into an unconscious person's mouth, you'll end up getting bitten...
This is an important video Zealand. You did a great job demonstrating how serious a concussion is. Your knowledge, passion, and personal experience really made an impact. I'll be sharing this with my friends
I was knocked out clean playing football like 15 years ago. Corner came in, i leaned over for a quick header and a defender (from my team thanks Zack) leapt with his knee forward. Hit my ear and i was out cold for about 20 seconds. Woke up on my side on the field confused as hell feeling like id been in a washing machine for two hours. Felt bad, lots of puke but thankfully no lasting issues
Had a similar experience playing high school American football. Knocked out by a cheap shot to the head after the whistle, felt very fortunate to escape with no long term damage. Glad you had no long term issues as well🙏🏻
@mattyj2937 unless the addictive personality came from it I'm a fairly adjusted adult 😂. Appreciate the goodwill bud glad you're good too, it's the weirdest feeling waking up afterwards like
I had a concussion playing goalkeeper. Came out to claim a cross or corner (don't remember) for a player from the other team to head the side of my face. Was groggy for a minute then i passed out and was sick. The headache that followed was awful. Went to hospital and all was fine. Just had to take it easy for a few days
I once missed a header and the defender behind me volleyed the ball into the back of my skull. I remember landing on my feet, taking about 4 steps, looking at a team mate and just dropping. I don't remember anything else until about 8 hours later and I was just in the bath at home. Apparently, I had got back up almost immediately and played for another 5 minutes but been terrible. Spent the day being extremely angry and irritable which was out of character for me. It's scary that nobody could really tell anything was wrong, even my parents who were there at the game.
To be fair Pep said the medical team were convinced he didn't get a concussion (can managers lie about that?), and they took him off because they saw his eye swelling, which turned out to be a broken eye socket. But I agree it's not taken seriously enough. I remember a few years ago Vertonghen carried on when you could literally see him stumbling around, barely knowing where he is let alone being able to play. He said it affected his game for another 9 months, yet nobody knew about it.
If any of the players on the field explained what they saw, it's an immediate diagnosis. He was unconscious. THAT is a concussion. That's the outrage of this whole thing. They shouldn't have even needed testing. That should have been an immediate stretchering off down the tunnel and substitution. Every game should employ an on-field, neutral, third party MD to make the final decision.
yeah when I saw this I immediately thought of vertonghen, tbf i wouldn’t be surprised if they were pressured into keeping Ederson on due to it being an important game but I doubt that’s the case.
I've played tackle football, wrestling, and lacrosse, and this is horrifying. I watched a kid get blindsided in football, go down, get up and walk to the sideline, then collapse and need to be rushed to the hospital and get brain surgery because he was actively bleeding from the brain. He was essentially dead for almost 30 minites. This just radiates ignorance from everyone on the city sideline. I dont know if they for some reason aren't trained for it since its not a contact sport in the way tackle football, hockey, and lacrosse are, but its really inexcusable, because even if they aren't often as bad, concussions are still VERY prevalent in the sport of soccer, and you should ALWAYS know the bare minimum is that someone even POTENTIALLY with concussion symptoms CANNOT go back into the game.
This is where I like the MLS Concussion protocols. Take it out of the hands of the teams, and have an independent observer to make the medical decision, and theirs is the binding decision.
I have a prime example of this, I’m a coach, and in a past year we played Team B(I won’t say the schools) in a quarter final at Team Bs field. A huge head collision happens between my player, and the other teams player. Both players had involuntary movements, had slurred speech, and everything that screams concussion. My guy, immediately gets pulled from the game for good reason by our athletic trainer. 2min after the challenge, the other teams player that looks like he just got cracked by prime Ray Lewis is back on the field. It’s a joke in some places, and it falls on the coach wanting to win more than caring about his/her player safety, bottom line.
When I was maybe 10, I remember I ran full speed into the upright while trying to get the ball around the keeper. I got a pretty nasty concussion and didn’t score, but I remember that I thought I was fine. When someone gets a head injury, they often can’t feel or see just how bad it is. It is nothing short of negligence on the side of the medical team that Ederson went back out.
It is like the one Christoph Kramer got in the 2014 world Cup Final. He couldnt remeber anything and on german Television other teammates like Neuer of Lahm pranked Kramer saying he asked them questiones like „is this the Final“, „ can i be Captain“ or „why are there so many Fans in the Gladbach Stadium“
This situation reminds me of how quarterback Tua Tagovailoa's concussions were handled in 2022. After suffering a concussion, he returned to play too soon and experienced a second concussion shortly after. This led him to nearly retire from American Football entirely.
my father had a similar injury that ended his football career he colided hard with a defender and the organ in his ear that is responsible for balance was fcked he got up and fell again he didnt know where up or down was thank god he was near the end of his playing days and his balance returned a few days later but the doctor said another bumb like that and he is in big trouble (he played in the local and 3rd tier of greece for a couple teams but he mainly played for our village) and no he didnt make much money in the 80-90s at that level you play for the love of the game and the girls
I had several undiagnosed concussions in my early teens. I deal with false memory syndrome and muscle spasms that make it impossible to work. I get this
I got knee’d twice in high school as a goalkeeper and and I never thought that False memory is a type of syndrome. I sometimes be having to make sure if my memories are accurate from past events and questioning myself a lot if my memory is true. Maybe I need to get myself checked.
Never got a concussion, but as a former tackle football (the american one) in France, I remember two big concussions. One happened on a kickoff return where the other team's returner caught the ball, ran a few yards and was hit hard : he fell flat on the ground, clean knock - out, paramedics were here in a hurry, we had to call an ambulance to bring out the stretcher. The other example happened to one of my teammates. Got a concusssion playing against the best team (for instance, all of their players were at least two feet taller than I was), he complained about seeing everything red
If anyone here is a Japanese wrestling fan, you know where I'm going with this: Shibata. In 2017, NJPW wrestler Katsuyori Shibata was nearing the end of an IWGP Heavyweight Title match vs Kazuchika Okada. As the match neared its climax, Shibata took Okada and headbutted him. Not the safe hit-my-hand-between-our-heads kind of headbutt. Full forehead vs forehead. Violent and vicious. Shibata actually cut his forehead open with the force. And I will warn you now, if you look for the video, you will NEVER unhear the sound of that impact. It's a dull, low thud that just shakes you to the core. The match ended a few minutes later, and upon walking to the locker rooms, Shibata collapsed. He was taken to a hospital, and they literally had to open up his head because of the damage from this one hit. It was THREE AND A HALF YEARS before he returned to have a match. Hell, he didn't even make a public appearance for four months, and that was just to acknowledge the crowd and say "I am alive. That is all." I still worry every time I see this man wrestle, and even though a lot of his character is still the same as in the past, you can see that things are different. I don't think he'll ever be the same as he used to be... I don't think he CAN. And that's what scares me here. Shibata did this, then FINISHED THE MATCH. Things didn't set in for maybe about 7-10 minutes, and then doctors were worried that he might not even LIVE. He was in a hospital bed for months. The stories were heartbreaking and his return was enough to make people cry, even if it was just for him to say he was alive. So yeah, I'm not surprised Ederson tried to keep going. But once something like this happens, IT SHOULD NOT BE HIS DECISION. And when it was this hard of an impact, I'm stunned he was left on the field at all. If he's still out there and has to make a play and his brain is misfiring and he basically Scott Sterling's a save, there is a significantly larger non-zero chance that he couple be PERMANENTLY mentally injured. Just sickening and shocking. Thank you for sharing your story, Z, and for bringing this incident to light some more.
People need to learn that there is a thing called adrenaline rush that can happen sometimes in this situations which can mask the severity of the concussion related injuries
in rugby we have HIA (head injury assessment) subs, any head contact you have a free 8 min sub while they do the checks, if they pass they come back on no issues, fail the sub is permanent, really think football needs this, remember thinking it with the gk in the world cup as well, all got bought in after a teenager playing rugby guessed the "how many fingers" question, and then collapsed and died while running around soon after, cause even that can make it worse
I remember my worst concussion was when I got speared in the back of the head. I was out before I hit the field. Apparently I spent the whole time on the ground screaming even until they got me to the sidelines. Not sure about my conversations, but I remember when I could finally open my eyes, my vision looked like the animated Spiderman movie, where pictures would randomly get jumbled for about an hour. I couldn't even attempt to move faster than a walk for two weeks.
@@ninjalectualx You're talking about the same video where Z jokes about his frog sidekick being Pep or Klopp? Calm down, mate. The joke isn't even on the subject matter.
It sucks for Ederson that he can't be involved, but if you look at the abundance of affected ex NFL players, Boxers, etc. Concussions are long overdue to receive the attention they're now receiving. It's in a teams best interest to keep their best players on the field and most of them want to remain playing, but sometimes it's bigger than the game... no one wants to see someone suffer worse than a KO now or later.
@mouhebbelguith5086 100%... cos there's evidence that negligence has repercussions and that leads to the lawsuits validity... but the cases can't exist without provable evidence of these things being important to consider.
especially for goalkeepers, there needs to be some sort of temporary sub option for head injuries so the game can continue and the player can be properly evaluated. one the issues here is if Ederson comes out of the game, he can’t go back in. they need to take him to the sideline for a minimum of X minutes and fully evaluate him. if after that period of time he’s doing well, let him sub back in. this is not a time to be picking nits with the flow of the game or tradition or anything. as Z said, this is deadly serious.
Yes concussions are very serious. I remember my brother was in a car crush, he and his friends got hit on the side. When I got to the hospital he was conscious but talking nonsense, he kept saying he was waiting for his girlfriend to arrive to see him, and he had broken up with her for the past two months. (Doctors advise not to antagonize them when they don't remember things right because you could put them in unnecessary stress.) And he kept talking the same detail about the crush repeatedly. Something about one of his friends. He would mention it, receive an answer, then shut up for a moment, and then say the same again like he just remembered it and haven't told us.
The german keeper Bert Trautmann (incidently also playing for ManCity) finished playing the FA cup final in 1956 although he suffered a neck injury during the game. Later on they found out that he broke his neck, really scary stuff. You can even watch the game scenes on UA-cam and he also passed out shortly (eerily similiar to Ederson). I am really glad, that sports have evolved since then and how players are treated when it comes to head injuries (though still ways to go i suppose)...
There needs to be a real discussion involving the leagues about clubs not being willing to admit that players have been concussed. Having rules that players have to be out for x weeks are meaningless unless suspected concussions can be independently diagnosed.
There are about 24 hours of my life that I only have partial and flashes of memories due to my concussion. And like you, I had no idea I was having the same discussion over and over again while in the hospital. I saw this incident happen and assumed there was no way he would continue, especially when I saw the medics with a stretcher coming on. I *knew* they would assess him, collar him, and carry him off to the hospital for evaluation. Especially when the commentators said they were not showing the replay because of how bad the injury/collision looked. Your anger at this is righteous and warranted. It is disgusting that the medical team allowed him to continue.
The problem is, it is entirely possible to get knocked out or otherwise take a severe blow to the head and still be compos mentis and be able to speak rationally, count, and perform higher brain activities afterwards, which can mask the actually impact of the impact. I know because I have had this happen and, on a separate occasion, I have had a mild concussion (much milder than what Zealand is describing happened to him and Ederson) and if you had not witnessed it you would not have known that I had taken a severe blow to the head. This was back in the mid-90s and early-00s, when concussion rules / substitutions were not in place but still, I would urge any team doctor or other team medical person or any coach / manager to always make a permanent substitution if a player is knocked out or if they take a severe blow to the head - most head-to-head clashes will not likely fall in this category as the acceleration and inertia is likely not great enough, though it will hurt - regardless of whether or not they pass or fail the concussion tests on the pitch, just in case! [In the event of head-to-head clashes that are not that severe, if they fail the on field concussion test then they should be substituted, of course!]
One of my high school teammates in American football had three concussions over the span of two seasons, he really was never the same guy. It legit changed his personality. I only got one diagnosed concussion in my football career, and I still can’t get over some of my teammates calling me a p*ssy for sitting out from playing for a couple weeks. I kept failing the concussion tests like idk what they wanted me to do, I was a benchwarmer anyways I wasn’t gonna risk my lifetime brain health for jv football practice. Honestly it does feel like our concussion protocols in Illinois high school football were more stringent than the PL, which is CRAZY
I’ve had seven concussions. Once as a goalkeeper, once diving for a header, and the others where from American football. All but one were in high school, or younger. I’m 31 now and have noticed the difference emotionally and mentally since the major one in 2009. Specifically the question situation rang true for me. I couldn’t tell my left from my right either. The lack of situational knowledge from the doctors to include that they have a temporary sub for specific situations like that to take their time in determining the situation. They should be fired for the lack of care shown because it did take them a good 30 seconds to get to him.
@@Alphoric if you are knocked out, you have had a TBI. A TBI is a form of a concussion. He is obviously knocked out. Your brain is a fish too large for its fish bowl (your skull). You shake that enough and the fish will suffer damage on the side. The fact he was knocked out showed damage to the brain. You can still have decent reactions to things happening, it could be memory loss, sensitivity to light, dizziness, etc. getting knocked out is by far the largest sign a brain injury has occurred. Are we gonna forget when Di Maria had a concussion in 2016 and played on? What about Karius in 2018? All because a club says it’s not doesn’t mean it isn’t. Do you know how bad it would look for city to have it released after the fact he was concussed and still played a bit longer? So please chill with the all caps my friend.
@@Alphoric seeing your stuff also on other posts, but you haven’t given your own experience with concussions. I can tell you from personal experience that he was absolutely concussed. It would look so bad if City did all that and then released he was concussed since it was such a big game and would make city look so much worse for playing a guy with a concussion on top of the other 115 issues they got on their hands. Releasing that it was only a fractured socket makes sense, if he was just in pain and rolling around. Him being absolutely knocked out, stiff as a brick, and his eyes closed signifies brain damage happened as his nervous system was damaged as Zealand eluded to.
Great video Zealand! Handled brilliantly and pretty much everything you said regarding head injuries is absolutely true! Just to weigh in for educations sake, as a UK paramedic, you can't actually physically swallow your own tongue :) During a significant head injury we can sometimes enter a "temporary coma" and during this phase, if laid on our backs, our tongue can go slack and fall backwards thus covering the airway entrance and prevent you breathing effectively! The recovery position, as you mentioned, uses gravity to stop the tongue doing this and the patient's free arm is used to prevent them rolling on their back again. It's also very dangerous to vomit laid on your back, due to choking and this can often occur post head injury, so this also reduces the risk in that sense! Edit: Oh and he absolutely should have been off the field immediately, the force involved directly to the head should have been an instant sub on medical grounds.
Where I live in the US they take head injuries super seriously at the college level. I was a goalkeeper coach and we had a player get a concussion. He seemed fine for 5 mins but he was taken off anyways just in case. Thankfully because he began suffering the symptoms and it was really scary. Rushed to the ER. Ended up being fine in the end but that shit was scary
I got a concussion in my freshman year of college playing D3 football. Thank god it was minor. I remember the hit then sitting with the trainer on the sideline, and I was really out of sorts for about 2 weeks. I remember that I literally felt like I had the capacities of a toddler in terms of speech and processing. The brain fog lasted for months and I'm also not sure I have the same capacities now that I had then, and this was in 2018. It impacted my academic performance and led me to quit football the next year and I'll always resent my teammate who intentionally hit me in the helmet with his helmet. Things happen in any sport but I am also terrified of getting another one.
Thank you Zealand for this video! As someone who has unfortunately also had to deal with collision-induced concussions, you really captured the magnitude of this perfectly. Including the perspective of the person it's happening to. My last concussion, although I was conscious and it didn't seem like a huge collision to me rendered me completely unable to partake in athletic activities or even vaguely stressful situations for about 6 weeks. In hindsight I am so thankful for the people that were there to immediately call an ambulance and get me checked out to make sure I was ok. Concussions are no joke and shouldn't be treated as such. Especially in football/soccer, where there seems to be no concussion protocol or procedure to deal with this, they should take a look into this. Hopefully Ederson doesn't have to fight some of the long-lasting consequences
Same as Z, my brain is not the same as it was before. From taking longer to recall certain things all the way to dealing with stressful situations and talking. The words don't come out as quick and fluent as they used to. This really is a serious issue
Anyone else remember the Vertonghen concussion against Ajax in the Champions League semi-final? The way head injuries have been treated in football is terrible. A player should never get to decide for themselves if they continue, yet it seems to happen frequently.
Yeah this one sticks out to me, he stayed on and was literally throwing up before they decided to take him off, he never seemed to fully recover from it during the rest of his spurs spell
This immediately reminded me of Karius, who had his career ruined because he wasn't subbed out after being elbowed by Sergio Ramos on the infamous CL final, and had to endure 2 months of an undiagnosed concussion. Most important though, is that his life was at risk THE WHOLE TIME! They took steps to improve their response to these situations but obviously these changes are not enough, Ederson was super lucky! He fell while taking a goal kick right after the incident and could have made it MUCH WORSE!
Yea shit is scary, I had one really bad one, all I remember is "waking up" and hearing people talking but I couldn't see anything, then my vision slowly came back into focus, concussions are no Joke
Last year I got hit in the head in gym class and broke my elbow. I only remember walking to the nurse with my friend saying something but I can't remember what it was. My brain was so messed up I couldn't even feel my elbow was broken till like an hour later. I never got checked for a concussion.
Zealand, thanks for explaining things like this, its important for people to know how to tho the safety possition, but you did a small mistake, a year ago, i had a class were they explaind us how to do the safety possition, and they told us that you dont pull the tong out of the mouth, becouse the person can accidentally bite off your fingers becouse they cant controll their body, or even bite their own tonge and bleed to death
I had a similar moment when I was a kid where I was running around a pool that was slippery. So, what you expect happens and I slip and hit the back of my head to the slippery concrete and everything just goes white for minutes. Like the lights went out in my head. Head impacts are VERY serious and they are worse when you cannot really look into them instantly to see if something is wrong but as Zealand said, you can clearly see how a person is just not there and need to be treated.
I recall my last concussion when I was 17, playing Australian football and while I was on my hands and knees someone decided to use my face as a ball like they were taking a free kick from just outside the 20yard box. It was like having deja vu about having deja vu, my brain just decided it was not computing and checked out for the rest of the day, I remember being on the ground, then I remember sitting on the bench and I remember about 30 more minutes of that entire day. Apparently I was talking but I have no idea. Was a weird experience, but can confirm my brain 100% feels different than it did 13 years ago.
I feel his pain. When I had my concussion at work 4 years ago, I felt a voluntary motion once my head collided with the underneath the table. I did not do the fencing motion, similar to what happened with Tua a few seasons ago. This is very scary to watch.
It’s a blessing that ederson at the end of the day seems like he’s going to be okay. It’s a blessing Zealand made a good recovery as well. Life is far more important than football.
This reminds me a lot of the incident that happened in the Qatar World Cup, were in one of the early games. The goalkeeper hit his head on the goalpost and they actually let him keep playing for like five minutes before subbing them out, I just felt really good comfortable
I lost a complete week of my life from a concussion, I got hit playing American Football and there is a week long gap in my memory after that. It is terrifying to go through, and the Premier League should be ashamed that they allowed this.
Football in school, lad about 5 metres behind me jumped up to head a ball, another lad went to volley it at head height, he kicked him flush in the forehead by accident and the lad had a seizure and spent a couple of days in hospital. We rang an ambulance, ran and got a teacher (luckily we were right outside the sports hall), and 2 of us supported his head from hitting the concrete whilst he seizured, to this day I remember it all vividly, it was really scary and I hate it now when I see high boot challenges in football, it really is dangerous. When your a witness to something like this or you're the person who gets hurt in this situation you really start to understand why they want to move grassroots football away from heading the ball and even back that decision.
Ederson has previous history of head trauma as well, a few years back Sadio Mane flying kicked him in the face which left him sprawled out on the floor for 8 minutes and being taken off on a stretcher. He had to have stitches and wear a face protector when he returned to playing.
I had a minor concussion once about 9 years ago. I was only delirious for 5-10 seconds, and while I felt nauseous and my thoughts felt like they were pushing through some sort of glue for the rest of the day, I recovered in just a couple days. Even that experience was super scary, and I can't imagine at all what Ederson went through here. The amount of playing through injuries (especially head injuries) that happens in sports is absolutely disgusting, and yeah, it puts players' lives and future quality of life at such high risk.
In my younger days, I did a bit of cycle racing and sometimes on track. One time i was sprinting and went flying over the handlebars. Next thing I remember i am with the medical people on site and about the only thing I can remember is one of the track officials saying, jokingly, "he'll be alright, he landed on his head"! This was the 70's but I'm not sure, in football, if we have really moved beyond that kind of thinking.
Anyone still remember Kramer for Germany when he got concussed in the 2024 WC final? He only got taken off after still playing and asking the ref whether this was the final. It was insane, he was clearly out and had this fencing reflex.
Remember playing football when I was 15 and going up for a header. Next thing I remember was being helped out of the park and then waking up in hospital. Felt fine most of the next day then I was throwing up for the majority of the night. This stuff is not fun and there should be zero hesitation to bring players off when they get head injuries
This is the same type of contact that led to Petr Cech wearing a helmet the rest of his career. Same kind of contact in a game vs Reading. Fractured his skull.
A friend of mine made contact with his head on a wall whilst playing 5 a side. We thought nothing of it (being teenagers). The next morning he was rushed into hospital as he was found unresponsive by his parents. He had a large haemorrhage in his brain and would have died if it was for his Dad. Having also experienced multiple concussions, the recovery time after a heavy concussion is not something I'd want to experience. And I've broken a lot of my body (7x collarbone breaks, double ACL injuries, broken leg, almost lost my index finger last year, etc etc).
I got elbowed in a charity football game once. Very similar to you, I had no idea what had actually happened and was a bit confused by everyone asking if I was alright..I felt completely fine and played the rest of the game. Only hours later I started to feel a bit ill and tired like I'd drank too much or something. Thanks for this video, it's a really important topic.
Having suffered a concussion on the rugby field, and seen other players that have also been concussed and land up asking you the same question again and again, I agree with you 100%. Substitutions should be enforced in these instances. Also, while you can armchair diagnose a concussion, you can't do the same if a bleed on the brain has occurred until its pretty much too late.
never and i repeat never stick your fingers in someones mouth to make sure there tongue doesn't fall down there throat, you will get your finger bit off, use a lolly pop stick, or something they cant bite through.
My teammate had a serious concussion going up for a header, I had to take him home and he asked me the same 4 questions on repeat for 2 hours. Terrifying is an understatement.
Hey Zealand. As an Australian we’ve seen concussions in our sport (AFL) for years. Recently they brought in a concussion protocol which sees the player assessed on the sideline for concussion, tests performed on them and if they don’t pass those tests they are taken out of the game. They are then required to have a minimum of 12 days off (which usually means missing the next game). Not saying it’s a perfect system but something like this could be implemented to reduce repeat concussions which as you say can be very harmful.
Reminds me of Paul Kariya who in the NHL playoffs got hit with a disgusting headshot that left him concussed severely, but he managed to run out of the medical examination room when the medical staff walked away and came back to play and no one questioned it or stopped him. Years later he was forced to retire due to concussions and he has since claimed he has no memory of that game.
I recently had a concussion from a bike accident, youre totally right I was lucky my gf was there and she took me to the hospital, I called emergency services but they completely failed me as per usual. Brain injuries are some of the worst, thats why people with brain injuries are priority in the ER.
When I played U18’s we had a forward following up on a weak deflection from a duel with the other teams defender and our forward was running really quickly. The opponents goal keeper slid out on his knees and didn’t stay low and our forward went to jump over him and totally kneed the shit out of the goal keepers head completely on accident. The other teams goal keeper wasn’t unconscious but you could tell was completely concussed. When they tried to stand him up he was woozy and wasn’t able to keep his balance. The coach still wanted to keep him in and the ref didn’t say anything at all. Our team and our coach were screaming at him to take the goal keeper out and it wasn’t until we said we wouldn’t continue to play if he didn’t sub him out. That was the only time I’ve ever felt that uncomfortable while playing it was just such a blatant disregard for that players safety especially at a young age it was absolutely disgusting. I’m glad that they’re starting to take it more seriously at youth levels but this situation with Ederson is extremely scary
If u watch any fighting MMA or boxing you see loads of ppl get knocked out then wake up immediately and they don't realise they got KO'd. You have to protect ppl from themselves
I think ederson might wanna go to a sport scientist or any scientist and try to get them to develop a helmet for him. This isn’t the first time he’s been kicked in the face or head, I’m sure this isn’t the first time he’s had a concussion, and they become worse and easier to get the more you’ve had. I really hope man city take this seriously and get him the best medical care possible. They should’ve taken him off immediately, such nonsense to even allow this.
i was in a sunday league game, my keeper banged head with another player (at least not a knee) but when he went down we could tell he was a little fucked, he kept trying to get up, and we were just like 'hang on a second here, you may not be okay stay still' so we took a few minutes to check him out, but he wasnt really alright, so we took him off (despite his complaints to keep playing), and played with 10 with me in goal (we didnt have any subs, i was playing LW) he sat at the side for about 15-20 minutes during the first half, where he was apparently saying he was hot and kept trying to take layers of clothes of (this is November in a field in spring, it was not hot) so his mum took him to the hospital where he found he had a concussion and couldn't play for 2 weeks
Having fallen on my head on a biking accident (about 2-2.5m), I know a thing or two about getting a concussion all I remember from that day was my uncle helping me up and then leaving the shower and him telling me I still have dirt on my face luckily it wasn't too bad, nothing to show for it besides headaches for a couple days
Former low level youth goalkeeper here. I had a concussion in training when I was 15. I was kicked in the forehead (not as hard as this incident) when I dove for the ball. I luckily didn't break anything, but our assistant coach/physio assessed me, and told me to go straight home and to talk to a doctor. I wasn't cleared for action until 3 months after the incident. I genuinely cannot remember anything 6 months after the incident. The fact Ederson was allowed to continue after a far more serious concussion is absolutely shocking. We need to pay much more attention to head injuries in football.
Here in Australia, one of our national sports (AFL) is going through this same discussion. So far this year 3 players have had to retire due to medical conditions brought on by concussions (including 1 19yr player who never played a senior game). More needs to be done across all sports to protect the head. Wishing Ederson all the best ❤️❤️
I have felt that the Premier League has not taken this matter seriously for years due to the legal ramifications and costs it would take them to implement safety procedures for goalkeepers in particular. I'm disgustedly surprised after Petr Cech and Raul Jimenez's that rugby helmets aren't being made mandatory for players' safety...
As a Celtic fan we had a Goalkeeper die on the field during the game. John Thomson was going for a 50/50 ball with a Rangers striker he got there first but was caught by the strikers foot which struck his head and killed him. This was in the 1930's. My own experience of concussion made me appreciate silence. I thought I was going crazy I was snapping at family for nothing and I knew it was for nothing. I lay in a quiet room and the slightest noise was like a bomb going off in my head. Head injuries are so serious and the true effects might not become apparent for hours later.
I got a really bad concussion on my knee once. Was laid up in bed for nearly two weeks and the doctors said I was lucky to get away with just some mild body part confusion.
I was in a car accident years ago when my dad was driving. Someone pulled out in front of us and we hit him pretty hard going 50 mph. There was just no way to stop in time. We were both wearing our seat belts and were fine. But we saw a hole in the other car's windshield with 2 shoulder impressions. It was clear his head went through but his shoulders prevented him from being launched out of the car on to ours. He came stumbling out mumbling about something I couldn't understand. My dad is a doctor and was able convince him to sit down. His ear was hanging by a thread. Then he told my dad to go check on his wife in the passenger seat. But when my dad got over to the car he realized it was empty. The man's wife had died years earlier but he was concussed pretty badly and his brain was not working properly. It was so sad to see. But his kids were able to take care of him afterwards and we got word he recovered. I'll never forget my dad's face when he looked up at me and motioned that the car was empty. At the time we were a little relieved bc it was a pretty bad accident and we didn't know what we would find. But it was also pretty alarming to realize how badly he must have been injured. I'll never forget the poor guy's face. Wear your seat belt man.
DO NOT put your fingers in unconscious patient's mouths, the recovery position is all you need to do and it's fairly dangerous (to you) to shove your hand in someone's mouth who could involuntarily bite down on your fingers.
Yes. It’s very rare for someone to choke on their own tongue. You are just risking your own health and probably freaking out the person as they are thinking WTF are you doing with me mouth.
You should look into the AFL concussion class-action by former players in Australia following several post-AFL deaths due to concussions related to their playing days
In Germany the Bundesliga has since this or last Season a new concussion Protocol. And it is to prevent things getting out of control. The player has to pass some test before he can join the Game again and the refrees are schooled to interupt the Game as soon These situations happen
Brianna Scurry, the US gk for the 99 team, spoke really eloquently about how one concussion completely ruined her life. it's great that soccer has lower rates of concussions generally than something like American football or hockey, but brain health for goalies in particular doesn't get enough attention, I think in part because the sport is considered so safe
The famous German Goalkeeper for Man City and was a Second World War Prisoner of War Bert Trautman broke his 'neck' during the cup final and played on in the 1955 cup final against Birmingham and an xray 3 days later showed he had dislocated 5 vertebrae and cracked two. Man City won The FA Cup that day.
The fact that he only needs to follow the physio’s finger with his eyes for them to assess wether he is ok or not to continue is fucking disgusting. Premier League and football protocols for concussions is still disgustingly bad. Many people have died/suffered brain-related injuries and still, this is what happens...
At least FIFA and FA's are improving... with baby steps.
Like most sports, only after a tragedy happens that they will change stuff.
They should be using what are called Maddock's questions to see if a player is orientated/confused. We don't know the results of these, but concussion can take time to develop but it appeared for everyone watching that there were signs of concussion. Even if Ederson passed these questions, the medics should have had people passing info to them on their headsets regarding concussion signs prior to them getting there (as sometimes it's difficult for them to see exactly what's gone on).
The FA run medical qualifications (which all medical staff have to have at premier league level) to avoid this happening
For real I was a referee for U14 and U12 local leagues and a goalkeeper ran into a pole hard enough that it knocked him out cold. I instantly subbed him out and made the coach call an ambulance which is what the rules of the league called for. Protocol in youth leagues should not be better than one of the most professional leagues in the world
He didn’t have a concussion
He had a small fracture in his eye socket
No concussion sub was used as he didn’t have a concussion it’s as plain and simple as that
@@Alphoric I may be wrong but they said on commentary thag no concussion sub was used as I think it has to be used straight away to count.
when Mudryk got hit in the face by Lamptey the other day he was immediately taken off, Chelsea played with 10 men for a couple of minutes because there's no way they were gonna let mudryk play for even a few minutes just to have 11 players on the field. Not taking ederson off after he just got absolutely clattered and took a knee to the face is absolutely insane.
Romero got subbed off in first game of season against Brentford in first half of the match, Ange subbed him off immediately. Romero similar to Ederson was angry like that.
Jan Vertonghen another Spurs player who too got concussion in a match and he was allowed to keep playing but little did he knew that he totally fucked his brains out by playiing that whole match. His performance declined too fast, in covid when football was shut down that's when he got recovered by that concussion. He was suffering for more than 2 years of concussion till then. So yeah it's pretty serious.
Mudryk was taken off cos he's shit, not cos he was concussed or injured
@@leew6091 are you mentally ill?
For all the crap we Chelsea fans give the medical team (thanks to the massive injury list this season), I'm glad they didn't mess around with Mudryk the way City did with Ederson.
@@leew6091that’s just wrong you donut
Physio in football here...
Firstly, amazing work pointing out the severity of concussions and the importance of removing players from the pitch when suspected. Fencing is the word you were looking for for the uncontrolled movement after Head injuries.
However, if you're playing and this happens (or you find someone down anywhere) Head Tilt Chin lift is the go to for opening an airway (stopping the tongue from falling back and occluding it). If a neck injury is suspected, use a jaw thrust. Both of these will open the airway most of the time (unless blocked by debris).
Putting someone in the recovery position is good if you're alone and need to get help, or if there is debris (blood, vomit etc) to help clear the airway until help arrives.
And please, please, please, don't stick your fingers into an unconscious person's mouth, you'll end up getting bitten...
This is an important video Zealand. You did a great job demonstrating how serious a concussion is. Your knowledge, passion, and personal experience really made an impact. I'll be sharing this with my friends
EDERSON DIDNT HAVE A CONCUSSION
@@Alphoric bullshit
I was knocked out clean playing football like 15 years ago. Corner came in, i leaned over for a quick header and a defender (from my team thanks Zack) leapt with his knee forward. Hit my ear and i was out cold for about 20 seconds. Woke up on my side on the field confused as hell feeling like id been in a washing machine for two hours.
Felt bad, lots of puke but thankfully no lasting issues
Had a similar experience playing high school American football. Knocked out by a cheap shot to the head after the whistle, felt very fortunate to escape with no long term damage. Glad you had no long term issues as well🙏🏻
@mattyj2937 unless the addictive personality came from it I'm a fairly adjusted adult 😂.
Appreciate the goodwill bud glad you're good too, it's the weirdest feeling waking up afterwards like
I had a concussion playing goalkeeper. Came out to claim a cross or corner (don't remember) for a player from the other team to head the side of my face.
Was groggy for a minute then i passed out and was sick.
The headache that followed was awful.
Went to hospital and all was fine. Just had to take it easy for a few days
I once missed a header and the defender behind me volleyed the ball into the back of my skull. I remember landing on my feet, taking about 4 steps, looking at a team mate and just dropping.
I don't remember anything else until about 8 hours later and I was just in the bath at home. Apparently, I had got back up almost immediately and played for another 5 minutes but been terrible. Spent the day being extremely angry and irritable which was out of character for me.
It's scary that nobody could really tell anything was wrong, even my parents who were there at the game.
To be fair Pep said the medical team were convinced he didn't get a concussion (can managers lie about that?), and they took him off because they saw his eye swelling, which turned out to be a broken eye socket. But I agree it's not taken seriously enough. I remember a few years ago Vertonghen carried on when you could literally see him stumbling around, barely knowing where he is let alone being able to play. He said it affected his game for another 9 months, yet nobody knew about it.
If that was their actual assessment then they need to be fired, but we all know Pep is just covering his own ass 🙄
@@KT-ki6gz He probably did pass the tests. It's just that they're likely the bare minimum levels you have to meet to be allowed to play on.
@@KT-ki6gzPep and the legend of 115 charges. Might be more, might be less. Who knows. It was always covered in oily manner.
If any of the players on the field explained what they saw, it's an immediate diagnosis. He was unconscious. THAT is a concussion. That's the outrage of this whole thing. They shouldn't have even needed testing. That should have been an immediate stretchering off down the tunnel and substitution. Every game should employ an on-field, neutral, third party MD to make the final decision.
yeah when I saw this I immediately thought of vertonghen, tbf i wouldn’t be surprised if they were pressured into keeping Ederson on due to it being an important game but I doubt that’s the case.
I've played tackle football, wrestling, and lacrosse, and this is horrifying. I watched a kid get blindsided in football, go down, get up and walk to the sideline, then collapse and need to be rushed to the hospital and get brain surgery because he was actively bleeding from the brain. He was essentially dead for almost 30 minites. This just radiates ignorance from everyone on the city sideline. I dont know if they for some reason aren't trained for it since its not a contact sport in the way tackle football, hockey, and lacrosse are, but its really inexcusable, because even if they aren't often as bad, concussions are still VERY prevalent in the sport of soccer, and you should ALWAYS know the bare minimum is that someone even POTENTIALLY with concussion symptoms CANNOT go back into the game.
This is where I like the MLS Concussion protocols. Take it out of the hands of the teams, and have an independent observer to make the medical decision, and theirs is the binding decision.
same as AFL
NFL needs something like that too, given the awful handling of that Tagovailoa concussion a couple years ago
EDERSON DIDNT HAVE A CONCUSSION
@@Alphoric source?
@@marcbennink3398 his ass
I have a prime example of this, I’m a coach, and in a past year we played Team B(I won’t say the schools) in a quarter final at Team Bs field. A huge head collision happens between my player, and the other teams player. Both players had involuntary movements, had slurred speech, and everything that screams concussion. My guy, immediately gets pulled from the game for good reason by our athletic trainer. 2min after the challenge, the other teams player that looks like he just got cracked by prime Ray Lewis is back on the field. It’s a joke in some places, and it falls on the coach wanting to win more than caring about his/her player safety, bottom line.
When I was maybe 10, I remember I ran full speed into the upright while trying to get the ball around the keeper. I got a pretty nasty concussion and didn’t score, but I remember that I thought I was fine.
When someone gets a head injury, they often can’t feel or see just how bad it is. It is nothing short of negligence on the side of the medical team that Ederson went back out.
Frog needs to be called Pepe Guardiola imo
Ok you win. There is no other option anymore.
Contest is over guys. It's Pepe Guardiola.
It is like the one Christoph Kramer got in the 2014 world Cup Final. He couldnt remeber anything and on german Television other teammates like Neuer of Lahm pranked Kramer saying he asked them questiones like „is this the Final“, „ can i be Captain“ or „why are there so many Fans in the Gladbach Stadium“
This situation reminds me of how quarterback Tua Tagovailoa's concussions were handled in 2022. After suffering a concussion, he returned to play too soon and experienced a second concussion shortly after. This led him to nearly retire from American Football entirely.
The way his fingers jittered and tensed after that hit still shakes me to my core man that was a nasty injury
EDERSON DIDNT HAVE A CONCUSSION
STOP THE MISINFORMATION
@@Alphoricbrother you are under every comment, telling people the same thing 🤡
@@Alphoric writing it in all caps doesn't make your statement true
The second concussion was in the next game when he clearly hadn’t recovered from the first one
my father had a similar injury that ended his football career he colided hard with a defender and the organ in his ear that is responsible for balance was fcked he got up and fell again he didnt know where up or down was
thank god he was near the end of his playing days and his balance returned a few days later but the doctor said another bumb like that and he is in big trouble
(he played in the local and 3rd tier of greece for a couple teams but he mainly played for our village)
and no he didnt make much money in the 80-90s at that level you play for the love of the game and the girls
The cochlea?
@@valiant..6 yup
"and the girls" 😂
I had several undiagnosed concussions in my early teens.
I deal with false memory syndrome and muscle spasms that make it impossible to work.
I get this
EDERSON DIDNT HAVE A CONCUSSION
@@Alphoricok. your dumbass thinks that’s going to do something, where’s your proof
@@Alphoricyes he did
I got knee’d twice in high school as a goalkeeper and and I never thought that False memory is a type of syndrome. I sometimes be having to make sure if my memories are accurate from past events and questioning myself a lot if my memory is true. Maybe I need to get myself checked.
Never got a concussion, but as a former tackle football (the american one) in France, I remember two big concussions. One happened on a kickoff return where the other team's returner caught the ball, ran a few yards and was hit hard : he fell flat on the ground, clean knock - out, paramedics were here in a hurry, we had to call an ambulance to bring out the stretcher. The other example happened to one of my teammates. Got a concusssion playing against the best team (for instance, all of their players were at least two feet taller than I was), he complained about seeing everything red
If anyone here is a Japanese wrestling fan, you know where I'm going with this: Shibata.
In 2017, NJPW wrestler Katsuyori Shibata was nearing the end of an IWGP Heavyweight Title match vs Kazuchika Okada. As the match neared its climax, Shibata took Okada and headbutted him. Not the safe hit-my-hand-between-our-heads kind of headbutt. Full forehead vs forehead. Violent and vicious. Shibata actually cut his forehead open with the force. And I will warn you now, if you look for the video, you will NEVER unhear the sound of that impact. It's a dull, low thud that just shakes you to the core.
The match ended a few minutes later, and upon walking to the locker rooms, Shibata collapsed. He was taken to a hospital, and they literally had to open up his head because of the damage from this one hit. It was THREE AND A HALF YEARS before he returned to have a match. Hell, he didn't even make a public appearance for four months, and that was just to acknowledge the crowd and say "I am alive. That is all."
I still worry every time I see this man wrestle, and even though a lot of his character is still the same as in the past, you can see that things are different. I don't think he'll ever be the same as he used to be... I don't think he CAN.
And that's what scares me here. Shibata did this, then FINISHED THE MATCH. Things didn't set in for maybe about 7-10 minutes, and then doctors were worried that he might not even LIVE. He was in a hospital bed for months. The stories were heartbreaking and his return was enough to make people cry, even if it was just for him to say he was alive. So yeah, I'm not surprised Ederson tried to keep going. But once something like this happens, IT SHOULD NOT BE HIS DECISION. And when it was this hard of an impact, I'm stunned he was left on the field at all. If he's still out there and has to make a play and his brain is misfiring and he basically Scott Sterling's a save, there is a significantly larger non-zero chance that he couple be PERMANENTLY mentally injured.
Just sickening and shocking. Thank you for sharing your story, Z, and for bringing this incident to light some more.
People need to learn that there is a thing called adrenaline rush that can happen sometimes in this situations which can mask the severity of the concussion related injuries
in rugby we have HIA (head injury assessment) subs, any head contact you have a free 8 min sub while they do the checks, if they pass they come back on no issues, fail the sub is permanent, really think football needs this, remember thinking it with the gk in the world cup as well, all got bought in after a teenager playing rugby guessed the "how many fingers" question, and then collapsed and died while running around soon after, cause even that can make it worse
I remember my worst concussion was when I got speared in the back of the head. I was out before I hit the field. Apparently I spent the whole time on the ground screaming even until they got me to the sidelines. Not sure about my conversations, but I remember when I could finally open my eyes, my vision looked like the animated Spiderman movie, where pictures would randomly get jumbled for about an hour. I couldn't even attempt to move faster than a walk for two weeks.
Breaking: Bayern interested in signing Zealand Shannon as head coach.
forehead coach
Bro this is a serious video. Can toy focus for 5 minutes?
He does have a very impressive CV, to be fair.
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@@ninjalectualx You're talking about the same video where Z jokes about his frog sidekick being Pep or Klopp? Calm down, mate. The joke isn't even on the subject matter.
Breaking breaking news: Zealand turns down the offer. Bayern left scrambling once again.
It sucks for Ederson that he can't be involved, but if you look at the abundance of affected ex NFL players, Boxers, etc. Concussions are long overdue to receive the attention they're now receiving. It's in a teams best interest to keep their best players on the field and most of them want to remain playing, but sometimes it's bigger than the game... no one wants to see someone suffer worse than a KO now or later.
AFL has gone feral over concussions in the last few years
@@Othraerir they r afraid of lawsuits
@mouhebbelguith5086 100%... cos there's evidence that negligence has repercussions and that leads to the lawsuits validity... but the cases can't exist without provable evidence of these things being important to consider.
EDERSON DIDNT HAVE A CONCUSSION
@@Alphoric You keep saying this but never adding any proof
especially for goalkeepers, there needs to be some sort of temporary sub option for head injuries so the game can continue and the player can be properly evaluated. one the issues here is if Ederson comes out of the game, he can’t go back in. they need to take him to the sideline for a minimum of X minutes and fully evaluate him. if after that period of time he’s doing well, let him sub back in. this is not a time to be picking nits with the flow of the game or tradition or anything. as Z said, this is deadly serious.
Fair fucking play for Zealand coming out and saying all of this about Ederson and his own experience of being concussed
Yes concussions are very serious. I remember my brother was in a car crush, he and his friends got hit on the side.
When I got to the hospital he was conscious but talking nonsense, he kept saying he was waiting for his girlfriend to arrive to see him, and he had broken up with her for the past two months. (Doctors advise not to antagonize them when they don't remember things right because you could put them in unnecessary stress.)
And he kept talking the same detail about the crush repeatedly. Something about one of his friends. He would mention it, receive an answer, then shut up for a moment, and then say the same again like he just remembered it and haven't told us.
The german keeper Bert Trautmann (incidently also playing for ManCity) finished playing the FA cup final in 1956 although he suffered a neck injury during the game. Later on they found out that he broke his neck, really scary stuff. You can even watch the game scenes on UA-cam and he also passed out shortly (eerily similiar to Ederson). I am really glad, that sports have evolved since then and how players are treated when it comes to head injuries (though still ways to go i suppose)...
There needs to be a real discussion involving the leagues about clubs not being willing to admit that players have been concussed. Having rules that players have to be out for x weeks are meaningless unless suspected concussions can be independently diagnosed.
There are about 24 hours of my life that I only have partial and flashes of memories due to my concussion. And like you, I had no idea I was having the same discussion over and over again while in the hospital.
I saw this incident happen and assumed there was no way he would continue, especially when I saw the medics with a stretcher coming on. I *knew* they would assess him, collar him, and carry him off to the hospital for evaluation. Especially when the commentators said they were not showing the replay because of how bad the injury/collision looked.
Your anger at this is righteous and warranted. It is disgusting that the medical team allowed him to continue.
3 zealandisms in 24 hours, have I died and gone to heaven?
The problem is, it is entirely possible to get knocked out or otherwise take a severe blow to the head and still be compos mentis and be able to speak rationally, count, and perform higher brain activities afterwards, which can mask the actually impact of the impact. I know because I have had this happen and, on a separate occasion, I have had a mild concussion (much milder than what Zealand is describing happened to him and Ederson) and if you had not witnessed it you would not have known that I had taken a severe blow to the head.
This was back in the mid-90s and early-00s, when concussion rules / substitutions were not in place but still, I would urge any team doctor or other team medical person or any coach / manager to always make a permanent substitution if a player is knocked out or if they take a severe blow to the head - most head-to-head clashes will not likely fall in this category as the acceleration and inertia is likely not great enough, though it will hurt - regardless of whether or not they pass or fail the concussion tests on the pitch, just in case! [In the event of head-to-head clashes that are not that severe, if they fail the on field concussion test then they should be substituted, of course!]
One of my high school teammates in American football had three concussions over the span of two seasons, he really was never the same guy. It legit changed his personality. I only got one diagnosed concussion in my football career, and I still can’t get over some of my teammates calling me a p*ssy for sitting out from playing for a couple weeks. I kept failing the concussion tests like idk what they wanted me to do, I was a benchwarmer anyways I wasn’t gonna risk my lifetime brain health for jv football practice. Honestly it does feel like our concussion protocols in Illinois high school football were more stringent than the PL, which is CRAZY
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I’ve had seven concussions. Once as a goalkeeper, once diving for a header, and the others where from American football. All but one were in high school, or younger. I’m 31 now and have noticed the difference emotionally and mentally since the major one in 2009. Specifically the question situation rang true for me. I couldn’t tell my left from my right either. The lack of situational knowledge from the doctors to include that they have a temporary sub for specific situations like that to take their time in determining the situation. They should be fired for the lack of care shown because it did take them a good 30 seconds to get to him.
EDERSON DIDNT HAVE A CONCUSSION
@@Alphoric if you are knocked out, you have had a TBI. A TBI is a form of a concussion. He is obviously knocked out. Your brain is a fish too large for its fish bowl (your skull). You shake that enough and the fish will suffer damage on the side. The fact he was knocked out showed damage to the brain. You can still have decent reactions to things happening, it could be memory loss, sensitivity to light, dizziness, etc. getting knocked out is by far the largest sign a brain injury has occurred. Are we gonna forget when Di Maria had a concussion in 2016 and played on? What about Karius in 2018? All because a club says it’s not doesn’t mean it isn’t. Do you know how bad it would look for city to have it released after the fact he was concussed and still played a bit longer? So please chill with the all caps my friend.
@@Alphoric seeing your stuff also on other posts, but you haven’t given your own experience with concussions. I can tell you from personal experience that he was absolutely concussed. It would look so bad if City did all that and then released he was concussed since it was such a big game and would make city look so much worse for playing a guy with a concussion on top of the other 115 issues they got on their hands. Releasing that it was only a fractured socket makes sense, if he was just in pain and rolling around. Him being absolutely knocked out, stiff as a brick, and his eyes closed signifies brain damage happened as his nervous system was damaged as Zealand eluded to.
Great video Zealand! Handled brilliantly and pretty much everything you said regarding head injuries is absolutely true! Just to weigh in for educations sake, as a UK paramedic, you can't actually physically swallow your own tongue :) During a significant head injury we can sometimes enter a "temporary coma" and during this phase, if laid on our backs, our tongue can go slack and fall backwards thus covering the airway entrance and prevent you breathing effectively! The recovery position, as you mentioned, uses gravity to stop the tongue doing this and the patient's free arm is used to prevent them rolling on their back again. It's also very dangerous to vomit laid on your back, due to choking and this can often occur post head injury, so this also reduces the risk in that sense! Edit: Oh and he absolutely should have been off the field immediately, the force involved directly to the head should have been an instant sub on medical grounds.
Petr Čech said that he dont remember the next 2-3 days after taking that knee
Where I live in the US they take head injuries super seriously at the college level. I was a goalkeeper coach and we had a player get a concussion. He seemed fine for 5 mins but he was taken off anyways just in case. Thankfully because he began suffering the symptoms and it was really scary. Rushed to the ER. Ended up being fine in the end but that shit was scary
I got a concussion in my freshman year of college playing D3 football. Thank god it was minor. I remember the hit then sitting with the trainer on the sideline, and I was really out of sorts for about 2 weeks. I remember that I literally felt like I had the capacities of a toddler in terms of speech and processing. The brain fog lasted for months and I'm also not sure I have the same capacities now that I had then, and this was in 2018. It impacted my academic performance and led me to quit football the next year and I'll always resent my teammate who intentionally hit me in the helmet with his helmet. Things happen in any sport but I am also terrified of getting another one.
Great talk, Z. I was amazed they let him return on the field. He was obviously not fine
At least with Lamptey's elbow attack on Mudryk this week, he was taken away immediately and deemed to have a concussion.
Thank you Zealand for this video!
As someone who has unfortunately also had to deal with collision-induced concussions, you really captured the magnitude of this perfectly. Including the perspective of the person it's happening to. My last concussion, although I was conscious and it didn't seem like a huge collision to me rendered me completely unable to partake in athletic activities or even vaguely stressful situations for about 6 weeks.
In hindsight I am so thankful for the people that were there to immediately call an ambulance and get me checked out to make sure I was ok. Concussions are no joke and shouldn't be treated as such.
Especially in football/soccer, where there seems to be no concussion protocol or procedure to deal with this, they should take a look into this.
Hopefully Ederson doesn't have to fight some of the long-lasting consequences
Same as Z, my brain is not the same as it was before. From taking longer to recall certain things all the way to dealing with stressful situations and talking. The words don't come out as quick and fluent as they used to.
This really is a serious issue
Anyone else remember the Vertonghen concussion against Ajax in the Champions League semi-final? The way head injuries have been treated in football is terrible. A player should never get to decide for themselves if they continue, yet it seems to happen frequently.
Yeah this one sticks out to me, he stayed on and was literally throwing up before they decided to take him off, he never seemed to fully recover from it during the rest of his spurs spell
thank you for talking about this, I had no clue how dangerous what happened to Ederson actually was
This immediately reminded me of Karius, who had his career ruined because he wasn't subbed out after being elbowed by Sergio Ramos on the infamous CL final, and had to endure 2 months of an undiagnosed concussion. Most important though, is that his life was at risk THE WHOLE TIME! They took steps to improve their response to these situations but obviously these changes are not enough, Ederson was super lucky! He fell while taking a goal kick right after the incident and could have made it MUCH WORSE!
Yea shit is scary, I had one really bad one, all I remember is "waking up" and hearing people talking but I couldn't see anything, then my vision slowly came back into focus, concussions are no Joke
Last year I got hit in the head in gym class and broke my elbow. I only remember walking to the nurse with my friend saying something but I can't remember what it was. My brain was so messed up I couldn't even feel my elbow was broken till like an hour later. I never got checked for a concussion.
Zealand, thanks for explaining things like this, its important for people to know how to tho the safety possition, but you did a small mistake, a year ago, i had a class were they explaind us how to do the safety possition, and they told us that you dont pull the tong out of the mouth, becouse the person can accidentally bite off your fingers becouse they cant controll their body, or even bite their own tonge and bleed to death
I've also had a major concussion and Zealand is completely correct on how bad it can be.
I had a similar moment when I was a kid where I was running around a pool that was slippery. So, what you expect happens and I slip and hit the back of my head to the slippery concrete and everything just goes white for minutes. Like the lights went out in my head. Head impacts are VERY serious and they are worse when you cannot really look into them instantly to see if something is wrong but as Zealand said, you can clearly see how a person is just not there and need to be treated.
okay so I just discovered your channel this is the third video that I watched where you start "normally I talk about happy things"
Just an average challenge in my Cayman Island save
I recall my last concussion when I was 17, playing Australian football and while I was on my hands and knees someone decided to use my face as a ball like they were taking a free kick from just outside the 20yard box. It was like having deja vu about having deja vu, my brain just decided it was not computing and checked out for the rest of the day, I remember being on the ground, then I remember sitting on the bench and I remember about 30 more minutes of that entire day. Apparently I was talking but I have no idea. Was a weird experience, but can confirm my brain 100% feels different than it did 13 years ago.
I feel his pain. When I had my concussion at work 4 years ago, I felt a voluntary motion once my head collided with the underneath the table. I did not do the fencing motion, similar to what happened with Tua a few seasons ago. This is very scary to watch.
It’s a blessing that ederson at the end of the day seems like he’s going to be okay. It’s a blessing Zealand made a good recovery as well. Life is far more important than football.
This reminds me a lot of the incident that happened in the Qatar World Cup, were in one of the early games. The goalkeeper hit his head on the goalpost and they actually let him keep playing for like five minutes before subbing them out, I just felt really good comfortable
you should call him Antoadio Frogte
You'd think they'd have learned after the horrifying Raul Jimenez head injury a few seasons back, that shit was scary af
I lost a complete week of my life from a concussion, I got hit playing American Football and there is a week long gap in my memory after that. It is terrifying to go through, and the Premier League should be ashamed that they allowed this.
Football in school, lad about 5 metres behind me jumped up to head a ball, another lad went to volley it at head height, he kicked him flush in the forehead by accident and the lad had a seizure and spent a couple of days in hospital. We rang an ambulance, ran and got a teacher (luckily we were right outside the sports hall), and 2 of us supported his head from hitting the concrete whilst he seizured, to this day I remember it all vividly, it was really scary and I hate it now when I see high boot challenges in football, it really is dangerous. When your a witness to something like this or you're the person who gets hurt in this situation you really start to understand why they want to move grassroots football away from heading the ball and even back that decision.
man city keeper in 1956 fa cup final v Birmingham broke his neck and still played rest of game , he was lucky he never died
Ederson has previous history of head trauma as well, a few years back Sadio Mane flying kicked him in the face which left him sprawled out on the floor for 8 minutes and being taken off on a stretcher. He had to have stitches and wear a face protector when he returned to playing.
Thank you for showing the appropriate amount of outrage about this. It's utterly perplexing that this keeps happening
I had a minor concussion once about 9 years ago. I was only delirious for 5-10 seconds, and while I felt nauseous and my thoughts felt like they were pushing through some sort of glue for the rest of the day, I recovered in just a couple days. Even that experience was super scary, and I can't imagine at all what Ederson went through here. The amount of playing through injuries (especially head injuries) that happens in sports is absolutely disgusting, and yeah, it puts players' lives and future quality of life at such high risk.
In my younger days, I did a bit of cycle racing and sometimes on track. One time i was sprinting and went flying over the handlebars. Next thing I remember i am with the medical people on site and about the only thing I can remember is one of the track officials saying, jokingly, "he'll be alright, he landed on his head"! This was the 70's but I'm not sure, in football, if we have really moved beyond that kind of thinking.
Anyone still remember Kramer for Germany when he got concussed in the 2024 WC final? He only got taken off after still playing and asking the ref whether this was the final. It was insane, he was clearly out and had this fencing reflex.
Remember playing football when I was 15 and going up for a header. Next thing I remember was being helped out of the park and then waking up in hospital. Felt fine most of the next day then I was throwing up for the majority of the night. This stuff is not fun and there should be zero hesitation to bring players off when they get head injuries
So, I suffered a TBI in a car crash about 2 years ago. I'm still showing symptoms now. This terrifies me. Thank you for this video.
The fact the refs let him continue, nevermind his own team not looking out for him
This is the same type of contact that led to Petr Cech wearing a helmet the rest of his career. Same kind of contact in a game vs Reading. Fractured his skull.
Holy shit didn’t know this was gonna be that deep
A friend of mine made contact with his head on a wall whilst playing 5 a side. We thought nothing of it (being teenagers).
The next morning he was rushed into hospital as he was found unresponsive by his parents. He had a large haemorrhage in his brain and would have died if it was for his Dad.
Having also experienced multiple concussions, the recovery time after a heavy concussion is not something I'd want to experience. And I've broken a lot of my body (7x collarbone breaks, double ACL injuries, broken leg, almost lost my index finger last year, etc etc).
I got elbowed in a charity football game once. Very similar to you, I had no idea what had actually happened and was a bit confused by everyone asking if I was alright..I felt completely fine and played the rest of the game. Only hours later I started to feel a bit ill and tired like I'd drank too much or something. Thanks for this video, it's a really important topic.
Having suffered a concussion on the rugby field, and seen other players that have also been concussed and land up asking you the same question again and again, I agree with you 100%. Substitutions should be enforced in these instances. Also, while you can armchair diagnose a concussion, you can't do the same if a bleed on the brain has occurred until its pretty much too late.
never and i repeat never stick your fingers in someones mouth to make sure there tongue doesn't fall down there throat, you will get your finger bit off, use a lolly pop stick, or something they cant bite through.
damn those doctors have some explaining to do
Second impact syndrome is one of the freakiest things I've learned about. You really gotta treat concussion with the up most care.
My teammate had a serious concussion going up for a header, I had to take him home and he asked me the same 4 questions on repeat for 2 hours. Terrifying is an understatement.
Hey Zealand. As an Australian we’ve seen concussions in our sport (AFL) for years. Recently they brought in a concussion protocol which sees the player assessed on the sideline for concussion, tests performed on them and if they don’t pass those tests they are taken out of the game. They are then required to have a minimum of 12 days off (which usually means missing the next game). Not saying it’s a perfect system but something like this could be implemented to reduce repeat concussions which as you say can be very harmful.
Reminds me of Paul Kariya who in the NHL playoffs got hit with a disgusting headshot that left him concussed severely, but he managed to run out of the medical examination room when the medical staff walked away and came back to play and no one questioned it or stopped him.
Years later he was forced to retire due to concussions and he has since claimed he has no memory of that game.
I recently had a concussion from a bike accident, youre totally right I was lucky my gf was there and she took me to the hospital, I called emergency services but they completely failed me as per usual. Brain injuries are some of the worst, thats why people with brain injuries are priority in the ER.
When I played U18’s we had a forward following up on a weak deflection from a duel with the other teams defender and our forward was running really quickly. The opponents goal keeper slid out on his knees and didn’t stay low and our forward went to jump over him and totally kneed the shit out of the goal keepers head completely on accident. The other teams goal keeper wasn’t unconscious but you could tell was completely concussed. When they tried to stand him up he was woozy and wasn’t able to keep his balance. The coach still wanted to keep him in and the ref didn’t say anything at all. Our team and our coach were screaming at him to take the goal keeper out and it wasn’t until we said we wouldn’t continue to play if he didn’t sub him out. That was the only time I’ve ever felt that uncomfortable while playing it was just such a blatant disregard for that players safety especially at a young age it was absolutely disgusting. I’m glad that they’re starting to take it more seriously at youth levels but this situation with Ederson is extremely scary
If u watch any fighting MMA or boxing you see loads of ppl get knocked out then wake up immediately and they don't realise they got KO'd. You have to protect ppl from themselves
I love how passionate is Z about this. He is 100% right the Prem should put this in the game
I think ederson might wanna go to a sport scientist or any scientist and try to get them to develop a helmet for him.
This isn’t the first time he’s been kicked in the face or head, I’m sure this isn’t the first time he’s had a concussion, and they become worse and easier to get the more you’ve had.
I really hope man city take this seriously and get him the best medical care possible. They should’ve taken him off immediately, such nonsense to even allow this.
Immediate substitution and straight to the locker room for more thorough testing.
i was in a sunday league game, my keeper banged head with another player (at least not a knee) but when he went down we could tell he was a little fucked, he kept trying to get up, and we were just like 'hang on a second here, you may not be okay stay still' so we took a few minutes to check him out, but he wasnt really alright, so we took him off (despite his complaints to keep playing), and played with 10 with me in goal (we didnt have any subs, i was playing LW) he sat at the side for about 15-20 minutes during the first half, where he was apparently saying he was hot and kept trying to take layers of clothes of (this is November in a field in spring, it was not hot) so his mum took him to the hospital where he found he had a concussion and couldn't play for 2 weeks
Having fallen on my head on a biking accident (about 2-2.5m), I know a thing or two about getting a concussion
all I remember from that day was my uncle helping me up and then leaving the shower and him telling me I still have dirt on my face
luckily it wasn't too bad, nothing to show for it besides headaches for a couple days
Former low level youth goalkeeper here. I had a concussion in training when I was 15. I was kicked in the forehead (not as hard as this incident) when I dove for the ball. I luckily didn't break anything, but our assistant coach/physio assessed me, and told me to go straight home and to talk to a doctor. I wasn't cleared for action until 3 months after the incident. I genuinely cannot remember anything 6 months after the incident.
The fact Ederson was allowed to continue after a far more serious concussion is absolutely shocking. We need to pay much more attention to head injuries in football.
Here in Australia, one of our national sports (AFL) is going through this same discussion. So far this year 3 players have had to retire due to medical conditions brought on by concussions (including 1 19yr player who never played a senior game). More needs to be done across all sports to protect the head. Wishing Ederson all the best ❤️❤️
very good point
i really hope that this will not happen again & that Ederson'll be healthy soon
I have felt that the Premier League has not taken this matter seriously for years due to the legal ramifications and costs it would take them to implement safety procedures for goalkeepers in particular.
I'm disgustedly surprised after Petr Cech and Raul Jimenez's that rugby helmets aren't being made mandatory for players' safety...
As a Celtic fan we had a Goalkeeper die on the field during the game. John Thomson was going for a 50/50 ball with a Rangers striker he got there first but was caught by the strikers foot which struck his head and killed him. This was in the 1930's. My own experience of concussion made me appreciate silence. I thought I was going crazy I was snapping at family for nothing and I knew it was for nothing. I lay in a quiet room and the slightest noise was like a bomb going off in my head. Head injuries are so serious and the true effects might not become apparent for hours later.
I got a really bad concussion on my knee once. Was laid up in bed for nearly two weeks and the doctors said I was lucky to get away with just some mild body part confusion.
I was in a car accident years ago when my dad was driving. Someone pulled out in front of us and we hit him pretty hard going 50 mph. There was just no way to stop in time. We were both wearing our seat belts and were fine. But we saw a hole in the other car's windshield with 2 shoulder impressions. It was clear his head went through but his shoulders prevented him from being launched out of the car on to ours. He came stumbling out mumbling about something I couldn't understand. My dad is a doctor and was able convince him to sit down. His ear was hanging by a thread. Then he told my dad to go check on his wife in the passenger seat. But when my dad got over to the car he realized it was empty. The man's wife had died years earlier but he was concussed pretty badly and his brain was not working properly. It was so sad to see. But his kids were able to take care of him afterwards and we got word he recovered. I'll never forget my dad's face when he looked up at me and motioned that the car was empty. At the time we were a little relieved bc it was a pretty bad accident and we didn't know what we would find. But it was also pretty alarming to realize how badly he must have been injured. I'll never forget the poor guy's face. Wear your seat belt man.
The injury was so bad that Dorival Junior will leave Ederson out of the Copa America brazilian squad. This was some serious sh*t.
DO NOT put your fingers in unconscious patient's mouths, the recovery position is all you need to do and it's fairly dangerous (to you) to shove your hand in someone's mouth who could involuntarily bite down on your fingers.
Yes. It’s very rare for someone to choke on their own tongue. You are just risking your own health and probably freaking out the person as they are thinking WTF are you doing with me mouth.
You should look into the AFL concussion class-action by former players in Australia following several post-AFL deaths due to concussions related to their playing days
In Germany the Bundesliga has since this or last Season a new concussion Protocol. And it is to prevent things getting out of control. The player has to pass some test before he can join the Game again and the refrees are schooled to interupt the Game as soon These situations happen
Brianna Scurry, the US gk for the 99 team, spoke really eloquently about how one concussion completely ruined her life. it's great that soccer has lower rates of concussions generally than something like American football or hockey, but brain health for goalies in particular doesn't get enough attention, I think in part because the sport is considered so safe
The famous German Goalkeeper for Man City and was a Second World War Prisoner of War Bert Trautman broke his 'neck' during the cup final and played on in the 1955 cup final against Birmingham and an xray 3 days later showed he had dislocated 5 vertebrae and cracked two. Man City won The FA Cup that day.