Armored Attack - Many Wars Ago
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2023
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On the Italian-Austrian front during World War I, a disastrous Italian attack upon the Austrian positions leads to a mutiny among the decimated Italian troops.
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Imagine being in a battle where your enemy pleads for you to stop since they are sick of killing so many of your comrades. Then your own side machine guns you for stopping.
Battle of the Neck, Ottomans to the Anzacs after the second wave.
After that Ottomans literally prayed for the death Anzacs after the 'massacare'
.. russians will say (Whiat is the Problem? Chappens All se Time!
@@gabelnewborn To be fair, yep, it's not a problem for russians.
No need to imagine; Ukraine's alreedy in one.
For the vast majority if people it’s still better than using their brains.
That shot of the armored troops moving down the slope that zooms back to reveal the machine gun is incredible.
Classic cinematographers were something else
@@dingusbingus7463 Think you're right. Today's movie would cut between the soldiers and the machine gun.
@@user-dc1ud6px3s there are still some really good DP/cinematographers out there, they just tend not to work on the "blockbuster" movies produced for mass consumption.
/Quake has entered the room
Those armored troops were right out of Monty Python! “Get up, it’s just a flesh wound!”
"Would this new plan by any chance have us climbing out of our trenches and walking very slowly towards the enemy?"
Funny how that was the concept of TANKS back in ww1.
@@Historylover-ho6lg "Because we tried that last time...and 17 times before that."
A quote from Black Adder?
@@vaughanpower4538Yes.
"How could you possibly know that, Blackadder?! It's classified information!"
@@thecircleoft.e.d2121 And because we've done it 18 times before, they won't expect us to do it now! (or something like that)
Recently I've read about the men manning a machine gun in WW1 going insane from the amount of men they'd kill during an enemy advance, so this scene makes sense to me, it's nice to see that representation in film from that time
Some men go insane from injuring someone, what’s ur point? 😂😂
@@Baegitte POV: braindead
@@Baegitte The point was made, and quite clearly. You're just not that bright.
Well said mate. I remember reading about something similar! In the book it wrote a little about the mental strain etc of the machine gunners, stretcher bearers, medical officers and nurses -- during the Gallipoli campaign. And how it was a continuous mental battering from day 1 until we retreated some 9 months later.
We sent 18,000 Australians and of those men, about 30% died.
Just imagine the Western Front... If I remember correctly, it is around 60% casually rate.
I always think of my great pop and how it must have affected him too.
Anyway, I'll stop going on! 🙂👍🏻
@@Ozzies hello, what is the name of the book you read?
The lack of reaction to the demise of the garbage can armor squad is just brutal.
And also accurate. Most of this war was “they killed all our guys” - “OK, send some more…” rinse and repeat until the Germans ran out of resupply…
"You see, killbots have apreset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men until they reached their limit and shut down."
That isnt 100% right at least for west front. Generals were in difficutal situation to make breakthrough just with men. Really quickly they start underground war and also war in the sky also huge artillery preparation but they lack most of time better option than send soliders in wawes to enemy.
This armor probably made 1 bullet ricochet inside the armor several times causing more harm than if the bullet had just grazed them. made them bigger target. only protected them from indirect fire. disgusting and yes that general deserved to be hanged for treason
Was the Garbage Can Squad a real thing? I think its made up as they would have tested it first and seen the garbage was not think enough.
The garbage can guys actually made it the furthest. Not because the armor protected them from the bullets, but because the Austrians were so confused by what they were seeing that they hesitated in a major way and held their fire.
The armor scene looks so eerie. It looks more like they’re on the surface of Mars or at the bottom of the ocean more than on a World War I battlefield.
But there is no doubt that their armour was of little use and the Italian soldiers made a pointless
Made me imagine a bunch of Black Knights (John Cleese) heading off.
@@darjeelingenfield7966 Their best bet would have been to use that armor in a static defense. That is the worst terrain one can imagine for any sort of charge
The armour shown in the film is actually an American design that came about just before or during WW1. I think it’s called Brewster body armour or something. The Italians had their own armour they wore in WW1 and it looked much better than that. Many other nations also had similar ideas, but you can look that up yourself.
@@Highlander_Red The italian armour concepts used by units such as the Arditi were for hand to hand combat in the alps and not really what we'd call 'body armour' by todays standards. It was just crude metal plating that consisted of a breastplate, shoulder guards and a specialized helmet called a Farina.
The American Brewster armour was designed to deflect shrapnel and potentially bullets (unlikely lol) for pushing across open terrain in no man's land. The Italians designed it for melee fights in the CQC of the alps so it needed to be more mobile and lighter.
WW1 was simply insanity....
Those armoured suits would work a lot better if they made them much bigger, thicker armour, put tracks on them, one or more engines, bristling with artillery and/or machine guns and a crew inside to operate. Could call them a _cistern_ or something like that. Now there's a thought.
So just Tanks, then?
@@thecircleoft.e.d2121 What ?
No not a fuel tank. Although I guess you could carry them ON the cistern. But they mean more like a boat but on land. Its crazy no one had made one.
@@lucass610landship
@@flaminghailstorm9149Now we are onto something!
"your entire front line of heavily armoured men have just been brutally machine gunned!"
"no it hasn't."
"Well, what's that then, you stupid bastard?"
"It's just a scratch."
"A SCRATCH!?!?!"
LOl
😂 exactly!
When they all were shot down by machine gun I thought their commander will shout: "why are you lying, you lazy bastards, stand up and go forward!" 🤣
“Your guts are hanging out!”
“No they’re not!”
“Then what’re those?”
“…I’ve had worse.”
Tis is but a flesh wound. 😂😂😂
That armor looks like something out of a Mel Brooks comedy.
I was thinking Monty Python,
You're both wrong. You guys never watched Blackadder goes forth?
"Would this new plan by any chance have us climbing out of our trenches and walking very slowly towards the enemy?"
@@rickoshay5525 yes darling!
"The roman soldiers were victorious thanks to their armour" the soldier to his left looking at him like "Now thats a bold face lie"
That "soldier" was the commander of this regiment, and was so pissed of the entire bullshit of the war that he charged with his men and died in this attack. It's the guy that screamed "savoia! savoia!" in the beggining
It’s not a lie it’s just insane to use that logic in a modern war. Armor started being fazed out when line battles started happening because even the most rudimentary bullet, the musket ball was able to punch through a lot of armor and the amount of armor needed to stop a musket ball even at that time was largely considered impractical and usually only used for Calvary who had no means to fire back at the enemy. It would be like a modern Lieutenant saying that longbows helped the English win at Agincourt. Yes, that is true but it doesn’t mean in any way that they should be implementing the same tactic on a modern battlefield.
@@samarmstrong904The roman soldiers won because of tactics and discipline, not armor.
@@carcotasu081 I know and I did think about that in my response but the heavy armor definitely did help and regardless I was trying to make a point.
@@carcotasu081
Nope, mostly they won because it was 10000+ bloodthirsty trained men descending on peaceful tribes numbering 10000 maximum everybody counted, who mostly fielded militia aimed at fending off the occasional-cattle raid.
Note the bloodshed whenever Romans came up with someone their own equipment level.
A moment of silence for the soldiers who wished to spare the lives of their enemies, whatever conflict they were in or whatever their differences may be.
Modern armies learnt a lot of lessons from world war 1, trained that compassion out of people. Back in those days it was almost gentlemenly, now its clinical.
@@graithen8955 If we aren't careful the future will be sociopaths and actual robots.
Ich glaube man will eher selber überleben als andere retten..
I don't necessarily refrain from wasting ammo... my kit gets lighter the more mags i dump so i can carry more cigarettes and loot
@@AremStefaniaKJust like every good soldier. 👍
This scene is taken directly from Emilio Lussu's book "A Soldier on the Southern Front" which recounts some of his experiences during the First World War. The movie does embellish the details as the armour used in the scene isn't even close to the real Farina armour employed by the Italians. However, the scene afterwards is pretty authentic to the book. The book recounts a company of armored troops being sent out to clear barbed wire before an assault, they are killed to the last man before they can cut the wire. The commanding officer ends up ordering an assault anyways, with predictably bloody results.
If anyone's interested in the experience of a soldier in the Italian army during WW1 then you should definitely give it a read. Many scenes in Uomini Contro (the English title is "Many Wars Ago") are taken directly from the book, and it's interesting to see just how little the movie actually embellishes the details. Unlike the movie though, the book also has a fair amount of humor and shows the typical antics that soldiers get up to. The movie on the other hand is very grim.
I really really need to know what happened to that italian commander. i’m so frustrated by the end of the video that the italians didn’t just turn around and kill that man.
Thank you. I needed a good book recommendation for the summer. Much appreciated!
@@dolsopolarlook up Cadorno, he was the guy the character was based on
@@dolsopolarYup, I could never understand why the higher-ups in the chain of command were not simply killed by their own troops. After all, many of these soldiers knew such charges were a simple death sentence, with no gain whatsoever. Respect of authority sure is a weird thing.
The armor depicted seems closer to the American Brewster armor!
As horrific as being on the Western front was at least the Generals there learnt their lessons eventually. There's a reason there were 12 battles of Izonzo resulting in around 650,000 Italian deaths and that's because the Italy had some of if not the worst commanders.
Winter fighting in mountains also did not help.
On the western front generals were bad also think about French Nivelle and his catastrophe attack!
@@marcovitali3833no one can defeat Cadorna tho 😂(and enver Pasha)
@@user-hq8tb8dy4t ?
@@marcovitali3833
Tbf Nivelle used methods he had applied with great results in verdun just a few months prior. The germans just adapted very fast + the plans got leaked
Almost brought me to tears when the austro hungarian soldiers stopped firing for a moment and begged them to go back, a scene of true humanity against youre enemy. Even do their fate was sealed going forwards or retreating just knowing that mercy and compassion was alive for a minute even during the barbarity that was WW1, gives me hope that one day wars might truly end. (I say this knowing that war has defined every major era in history, its in our nature, conflicts arise every where from the lack of food, land, money, Power or simply for a misunderstanding. War is trágic and horrible but to solve a problem u have to understand it,know the why, when and how, so that in the future we can try to prevent it from happening again or atleast reduce its scale. War can bring out the worst in us but at the same time during war u can find the greatest moments of humanity that resonates with us hundreds of years later) All of this is my point of view on this scene and War in general people, good day.
Thank you for sharing
It's a movie lol
@@jojachow A movie yes but it shows events that happened in WW1 especially during the first year of combat on the western front and later on in the Izonzo Battles. (It may not be 100% historically accurate but it still sends a powefull statement).
The Italians managed to use the Zapp Brannigan tactic of feeding more and more men into the grinder until the enemy didn't have the heart to fight back anymore. They had to rotate out the machine gunners due to the severe trauma of such a slaughter
@@jojachow Lookup Luigi Cadorna, the real WW1 Italian general this is based on. The filmmaker had the misfortune of fighting under his command, and the movie shows parallel versions of real events. They really did force mass human wave attacks, and when that didn't work Luigi blamed the 'cowardice' of his troops and had them decimated - ie, every tenth guy is murdered by the other nine
He's pretty much the quintessential shitty WW1 general
Ironically, the Italians did employ Armour effectively in world war 1, although this model of body armour (The brewster body shield) wasn't used by Italians, it was an american design, that to my knowledge was never used in combat. With that being said, the brewster armour was able to withstand shots from rifles, it was tested and found to be able to resist rounds from the british 303 cartridge. It was however (as shown by the movie) very cumbersome and clumsy to wear.
The arditi in particular wore smaller body armour, consisting of a chestplate attached to two shoulder guards, and a seperate medium sized helmet. It didn't weigh very much unlike the brewster armour and didn't impede mobility, while still providing decent protection. Keep in mind the men who wore such armour were shock infantry meant for trench raiding.
Also if you just blow their legs off, you don't have to get through the armor. Artillery is the main killer in war, so trading the nimbleness of being unarmored for the goofy penguin walk of being armored, you're not doing yourself any favors.
@@nathanbennett9999 Well, for trench raiders, who often attacked at night in small numbers, such armor like what the Arditi wore would absolutely have helped, and it did. Largely because they're in trenches and their armor protects what enemy troops would be shooting at: Their center mass and head.
Also keep in mind, the average infantryman in WW1 was using a very long bolt-action rifle. Shotguns were almost exclusively used by Americans, and SMGs were only introduced very late in the war and were also exclusively issued to trench raiders and other special units.
Hence, you're an infantryman in a trench, you're being raided, you have to swing your rifle around, bring the sights up, and start shooting. You'd be lucky to get one, *maybe* two shots off if you're lucky before you start getting return fire. If your armor only protects you from one or two shots...well it works well enough!
I'm mostly sure the arditi had a larger variety of armor with leg and arm plates sometimes documented and ye very unlike what bf5 shows ( whowouldhaveguessed ) they would use things like knives clubs or more often just wire cutters with pistols being rare and anything larger probably not used by them
The problem the arditi faced was that their amor was just plain metal, yeah it could stop a few rounds but regardless of the penetration the bullet would still shatter upon impact.
You know what was rarely ever armored? Your chin and jaw. When the bullet shattered on the armor the shrapnel shot up and shredded the lower mouth an throat.
That’s why modern Kevlar plates use plastics and Kevlar to stop this from occurring.
@@P.W.N.ed_9000 ye and spalling kicked off by rounds didn't have to go far
0:58 - The actor's eyes do a great job of portraying a man who doesn't really believe his own bullshit that much but feels he's in too deep to step back.
Well this made me laugh
If you commander sends you to certain death then he is even bigger enemy than the opposite side.
He wanted it to work, but knew probably isn't going to work. But his got to try for that small chance that they could easily destory the enemy.
@@lolasdm6959still not an excuse to gun down your own men, let them retreat, rebuild, and d fight stronger another day… Christ that’s how the American Revolution was pretty much won
@@factsinthemiddle1472 American Revolution war won because the fxing French bankrupted themselves to support the Americans, and the British colonial army, the American continental army joined in the revolution.
You should look at how well the average militia men fared. One British grenadier charge, lose 2 men, kills 60 Americans the rest couple hundred men ran away. You ain't crap without the backing of a real army.
Could be that the regiment is a diversion. Could be the general is beholden to the top brass. Could be war is simply stupid.
@@factsinthemiddle1472 the American revolution was won with the French bankrupting themselves as copium for losing the 7 years war.
This reminds me of the old joke:
The Polish army is exercising, but as there are not enough rifles, some soldiers receive a broomstick only.
-What do I do with this broomstick, comrade? the soldier asks the sergeant.
-Just pretend that its a rifle, and you will be ok!
Alright, the guy sees an "enemy" soldier slowly crawling towards him, picks up the broomstick and shoots him. The other guy keeps crawling. He shouts out to him:
- Hey, don't you see that I just shot you with my rifle? You supposed to be dead!
- So what, don't you see that I am a tank?
Grim.
Reminds me of the people who think they can change their sex by merely wishing it.
@@dudeonyoutube then maybe you're obsessed by them.
@@QT5656 ?
Jajaja muy bueno😂
Forward he cried from the rear
And the front rank died
And the general sat
And the lines on the map
Moved from side to side - pink floyd "Us And Them"
Reminds me of wearing a garbage pail. But back then, these guys were as secure as anyone could be.
@kyler6861 You need to work on your reading comprehension. "As secure as anyone could be." He's EFFECTIVELY saying that the armor is useless. You just reiterated his point, and in doing so, made yourself look like an idiot.
@kyler6861Yeah, and did everyone else. They were as secure as anyone else charging acrossnno-mans land
Is it wrong to laugh at this scene. Seriously these generals had no tactics. I sent waves and of my own men till the enemy got tired of slaughtering them. I gave the all PTSD except a few those ones seemed to enjoy the slaughter, someone should check them along with me for send those poor troops to their death
@@willwaldo8599 Yeah, it's wrong to laugh. They willfully executed these men and made it look like combat to avoid mutiny. The machineguns in WW1 weren't for suppression, they were to force the riflemen to advance.
@@ToyotaTechnicalItalian military was a joke in all wars it’s faced
"Sir, what happens if they shoot us in the arms or legs?"
World War 1 was actually the most unusual and bizarre war ever fought. Tanks, flamethrowers, poison gas, no man's land, airplanes, swords, submarines, armor troops that look like medieval knights, battle ships. Aircraft carriers, trenches, incendiary weapons, blimps to bomb cities or observation on the enemy location, bows and arrows, etc. There were actually something about Angels of Mons with dead British archers against the Germans. And also wolves who attack men as well plus Attack of the Dead Men of poisoned Russian troops who almost look like zombies and they attack the Germans.
The armored dudes look like The Knights Who Say "Nee". I could hear their death cries... "Nee!". Each time one fell. Very sad indeed.
Pretty realistic. The French army had several mutinies near the end of WWI because of tactics like this.
That happened throughout the war. The french never stopped fighting the germans though. They mutinied against useless charges across no mans land
Not near the end. The most famous was in 1916, during the Battle of Verdun, so pretty much halfway the war.
And like MortenHendriksen noted: it was not a real mutiny. They held their lines, fought the enemy when they attacked, still suffered losses, they just refused to do human wave attacks that got the entire unit killed
the problem the french had going back to napoleon at waterloo was despite all evidence to the contrary they believed in the bayonet charge above all else. the situation for example at waterloo when the old guard were sent in was to smash through the enemy line in huge columns .this might work with a demoralised enemy softened up by artillery but put simply wellington had every musket in his army firing at them in line whilst the french could only reply with thirty muskets at the head of each column.even colossal losses to breech loaders in the franco prussian war didnt change their tactics.in ww1 at verdun for example officers were told to ensure their men attacked with empty breeches to be sure they relied on the bayonet. even when they knew as also tragically happened at the somme ,that the enemy had simply withdrawn from the shelled trenches until the barrage was over then returned and that the wire was intact they persisted in full frontal bayonet charges with appalling casualties.in fact the shelling often turned the ground into a qaugmire slowing the troops to a crawl making them even easier targets.also for much of the war the french and british never seemed to grasp the tactics of using machine guns the way the germans did.the british were still doling out 2 per battallion when the germans often had 6 or more per company and machine gun regiments to reinforce attacks or defence.the french soldiers didnt mutiny in the accepted sense they retained their positions didnt run away they just at verdun refused to obey the suicidal tactics of generals miles from the front who had no idea of the situation.sending wave after wave of men against a heavily fortified position across half a mile or more of rough open ground was slaughter.
@@mikekemp9877Yep, took them ages to actually change tactics as well. It was basically mass murder, shameful period of history. Young men were also executed as deserters, even under age kids that lied about their age at recruitment. Horrible.
@@phillawrence5148 Yeah which make you realize if it not for the British to back them up. I doubt they can last long enough against the German.
Honestly the German could easily hold the Western Front. While they focused on the Eastern Front better by knocking Russia out first.
No need for going through Belgium and to get the British involved.
Both the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies were very poorly led, treated, fed, and were confined to tactics from the 19th century. Both countries' allies had to enter their theater of war to bolster their forces.
Most of italy's problems were a result of Luigi Cadorna, Once he was replaced by Armando Diaz Italy knocked Austria-Hungary out of the war very quickly, and Armando Diaz was considered to be one of the best generals of world war 1. Arguably, They outperformed the ottomans and Austro-Hungarians throughout the war.
@@thedon9247 Cardorna was replaced after the Battle of Caporetto where the Germans and Austrians used blitzkrieg tactics (without the tanks and aircraft). Sadly for them (though happily for the Italians) they ran out of steam just as British and French reinforcements arrived. These reinforcements and the exhausted state of the German and Austrian troops allowed Diaz to stabilise his front on the Piave. A year later he was able to counterattack. Away from the mountains which had been their main defensive strength, weaker than before and without their German allies who were now being committed to the Kaiserschlacht the Austrians were easily pushed back and within a few months had lost all they gained a year earlier and sued for peace.
@@thedon9247
By the time Diaz showed up, the Austro-Hungarian Empire had already collapsed. Easy to win if the enemy is already in shambles.
@@thedon9247 He certainly didn't surpass a few of the Ottoman commanders. Ottoman army was in poor shape but they were led much better than Austrians and Italians with the exception of Enver Pasha who caused 90.000 men to freeze in caucus mountains.
Armando Diaz surpassed the ottomans quite significantly, and was on par with ataturk and the other "top" generals. The ottomans were very poorly led during most of their battles and this is heavily reflected by the fact that without ataturk the ottomans likely would have capitulated far sooner. Most of the successes of the ottoman war effort was overseen by a German General also, so I'm not sure where you're coming up with this. If you're talking about ataturk, then yes, he was a very competent general. But he was one of very few among the ottomans.
If you don't believe me, perhaps you'll believe encyclopedia Britannica and Wikipedia which both agree Diaz was one of world War 1s most talented and skilled generals.
The classic "run at them to deplete their ammo" strat
WW2 : D-Day
WW1 : D-Day Everyday.
it's d-day everyday on ww2 eastern front.
When I was studying literature as we approached the war poets my professor described the lead-up to world war I. War was still for gentlemen and there was a pretense of honour in participating. At the same time, there was an ever-increasing testament to humanity's ingenuity as machines became better and more efficient culminating in of course the "machine. gun." as he put it, taking time to let each word occupy its own space in the air. The efficiency with which humanity was able to conduct war and strip life from itself was unseen before and as the war dragged no one on the front could pretend any longer that there was any honour left. War is a machine.
Or at least a dirty "business"... but certainly see his point.
World War 1 was extremely brutal. You literally had medieval technology clashing with modern technology in the most gruesome ways imaginable. RIP to those who fought that war.
WW1 was brutal for soldiers who participated. WW2 didn't make any seperation between civilians and soldiers. Any large scale war in future will even be more brutal.
The main horror thats really had to convey would be artillery and high explosives that would be doing most of the killing, most of these movies from the time period always show machine gun slaughter cause its just easier to film.
You mean medieval mentality from the officers clashing with modern technology...
I have read that battlefield medicine at the beginning of WWI was roughly equivalent to battlefield medicine in the Civil War, but with a few improvements. The ideas of anaesthetic and aseptic surgery were already known but not yet fully developed. A lot of the development came throughout WWI. That's always blown my mind how fxcked you likely were during WWI if you got any significant wounds.
medieval technology lol, are you American or something
How on earth could anyone be convinced that armor was going to do anything? They had no protection on their legs, arms, groin. The protection they did have was easily penetrable and just made it harder to see and maneuver.
This armour design was real (ish) but it was American and never saw combat.
The Brewster body shield was a much sturdier construction than you see here, and could stop rifle fire.
Of course it weighed 18kg, and you couldn't see very well.
Full coverage was not required. It's designed to save your life and make you harder to kill, not make you invincible.
Back then, they weren't thinking of those things like we do now. WWI was hell of a war, the combination of old and modern warfare.
Because it never happened. Its from a fictive book, not a history book.
@@kirgan1000 The Arditi DID wear body armour, but not like this one.
Oh, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afganistan, Ukraine... but it makes such a good stories for movies!
Austrians: Go back! We can't keep killing you!
Italian general Zappos Branniganni: Keep going men! They're near their preset kill limit.
Sad to see Bendo die in the first minute.
That is the strangest tech I've ever seen.
Why? I think the knights didn't look much strange.
Looked like something out of a Dr Who movie at first with that bizarre armor, only to find out this was real! Great history lesson, especially about this battle. Thanks for posting and help me discover this film!
My man i though the same, what the hail are these steel scuba 🤣
My thoughts also, maybe on Skaro before Daleks were released.
I... WAITED...
Cybermen
not really real in terms of use. Italians had a kind of armor for sentry duty, but it didn't look like that. It wasn't effective enough to keeo using, but it did not look like Doctor Who armor.
This scene leaves a strong impression why communism would find so many followers and ultimatively resulted in civil war in Russia
And also, Mussolini was communist right after ww1 because of shit like this until he created fascism
It wasn't the soldiers who overthrew the tsar by and large. Mostly industrial workers, academics, and then a small number of troops from convalescent units.
The Russian army mostly just carried on with the war, though more defensive action and less meat grinder attempts to take ground.
Basically it was more the economics and mass media/education that lead to the revolution. Life in Russia was brutal long before WW1, but now there was a growing middle class that had economic power and were educated/awake to how brutal and backwards the Tsarist regine was.
What the war really did was move all the Tsar's loyal troops far away from the palace and create an opportunity for what was more of a coup than a revolution, initially.
Nothing to do with their de facto feudal system... nothing to do with tzarist repression... nothing to do with workers struggling to survive... indeed socio-economic conditions do not have any weight in human beings decisions... sure thing
Such a lazy and classically rancid vision of yours
BTW... I would love to read about your vision on the other imperialists joining forces to assist White counterrevolutionaries, besides arming and supplying them
That fact for certain did not contribute at all the civil war (sarcasm on)
@@ismaeljimenez6562it was right before that he was a sociaIist.
And then communism started murdering even more people….
I'm no military genius, yet soon as I saw that shit with the armor, I was like, "I don't know dude, I think this idea is gonna suck."
Anyone else cry with this? This hit different than the way Hollywood war movies do. 😢
as always, it's old men standing somewhere safe giving the order for the young to advance into the brutal carnage of their ultimate demise
The scene with the armored infantrymen wearing those helmets is utterly surreal.
Something about the name of the armour “Fasina” is interesting. So the Italians did use armour but their model was named the “Farina” armour. It looked completely different to these suits as this one looks based on the American Brewster body armour
That said, I think the name is interesting because it sounds similar to fasces, which is where the word fascism comes from
I wonder if the filmmakers were making a commentary here about how Italy’s participation in WW1 is what set them down the path to fascism
Isn't the word facina just related the word face or wall in engineering etc?
@nickthorp6361 Fasces were ceremonial weapons carried by lictors, the bodyguards of ancient Roman officials. They were bundles of sticks. When leading an army (or when a dictatorship was proclaimed) axes would be affixed to the bundle of sticks, to signify that the official in question was exercising military authority.
In the 1910s, the term “fascio” came to be used to refer to trade unions, and Mussolini, being a socialist, brought the term with him when he founded his fascist party as a nationalist alternative to internationalist communism and liberal capitalism.
I love the clips you upload! They introduced me too a lot of War movies that are just out of this world and ones I would have never even known about since a good bit of them are in different languages!
Keep up the great work!
You could tell just by the way they were struggling to go down that hill that this wasn’t gonna go well.
That is our enemy behind us! Very true!
i pray that something as pointless as WW1 never scars this planet again
Hah, every conflict in the Middle East and Jerusalem laughs 😂
Also, every Eastern Europen post Soviet Union
All wars are pointless
@@nicholasmuro1742all wars have a point. It usually just isn’t worth the trouble that entails.
@@ryv2484
A point for who?
Vietnam was to stop the expansion of communism. Protect the democratic way of life. USA lost. Vietnam became united. Nothing changed here. What was the point?
they say the first casualty of war is 'truth' as a combat vet with 1st armored, i say it's 'sanity'
id say humanity
I think you’re right
I laughed when I saw the armor. And thought to myself that Monty Python must be looking for some of their props that have gone missing.
I cried when the Troops of the Central Powers ceased fire, and begged the Italians to go back so that they wouldn’t be forced to continue to slaughter them.
War is horrible, but there has never been, nor ever will there be again, a war like WW1.
Came to this clip right after watching Monty Python's killer joke sketch. This one seemed to start out in the same vein.
Ukraine is getting there. Trench warfare, huge losses for an advance that gains no territory. It is truly horrible
Same here it looked like a skit
Well right now what is happening in Donbass region of Ukraine is pretty much like WW1 from a front line soldier's POV.
The armored guys in the beginning looks like a Monty Python skit...The guy who came up with this had one hell of a sense of humor I must say.
It's worth noting that the Italian officers were not unusually stupid or brutal. They were all like that in WWI, every combatant. What they knew of tactics or strategy was three or four wars out of date, they were pumped up on patriotic/heroic guff, and they'd send men into the buzzsaw without stopping.
"The Roman soldiers were victorious thanks to their armor." They were victorious thanks their tactics and their bull-headed cultural worldview. As soon as I saw the soda can brigade move out I knew they would be slaughtered to the last. I'm going to watch the whole film now in the hopes that Dollar Store José Ferrer gets his unpleasantly just deserts.
that was an unused model I looked it up and the armor they did wear was much more familiar looking, like a simple made late renaissance armor, a proper helmet with I think a visor? and a chest plate, that's it, not...w.e the f this comedic armor is.
@@BringDHouseDown It wouldn't have mattered what armor they used. The way they just marched out it would've ended the same. And the Roman legions wore less armor than what was shown here or what you described. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there were any armored up charges in WWI. The armor used there was strictly defensive. And you right, the armor shown here does look like something out of Looney Tunes.
Name checks out when you said "soda can brigade".
Soda can brigade 🤣
Me and the bois charging an enemy mechine gun position after loosing a bet
That went about as well as expected !
Nice art direction and photography.
2:17 "welp! Back to the drawing board!"
this seems more realistic than other movies depict war, they literally had to overtake all of these positions with sheer force and luck, those machine guns would mow down entire battalions until they got through. on rocks and a cliff like that, can you imagine the shrapnel from those mortars
The sheer insanity of that entire war summed up perfectly within this clip
Armoured soldier: this armour is useless Why do we even wear it?
Human shields.
La follia della guerra!
If you to not possess the artillery to knock down that little stone bunker then perhaps this is not a good place for your army to attack Or maybe you are just bad at being army
yea Luigi Cadorna was kinda bad at doing war
The Italian / Austrian theatre was very mountainous and even small artillery pieces were hard to get into position
"The real enemy is behind us", (both sides). "Imagine a King who fought his own battles. Wouldn't that be a sight" (Achilles, Troy (the movie))
I remember very well seeing this scene when I was a young boy years ago, during the celebrations of November 11th here in France. Made a strong impression on me. Couldn't find out the name of the movie for over three decades and there it is, thanks to UA-cam's algorithm !
The charge of the Ned Kelly Appreciation Society..( French Chapter) ...more Gallic enterprise, cheers Johnny, always interesting and informative..😊😊
these are Italians
was thinking the exact same thing, so glad another Aussie saw ned kelly in these italians
I saw Ned right away...
@@harryholden795 apologies to the French...bonkers Italian military..E...
I think Ned’s rig was better, heavier steel with a groin plate
1:49 "F*ck me lads, we're being attacked by the Cybermen from Dr Who!"
Good to see Indio again.
Almost felt like some fantasy movie with the armored troops.
I have seen pictures of WW1, especially at the start where they had things like this. The US had a contraption where a few men crawled behind a steel box on wheels to try and get to the wire.
This movie, I was scratching my head. Even if the armor worked their legs and arms were exposed. I thought it was funny that they were moving towards the enemy and there was no barb wire.
The wire is closer to the germans which, I suppose? Lots of areas in ww1 where the wire wasnt as layered as we are used to from France.
There is no way in hell an armor like that would stop a full caliber rifle bullet from WW1.
@@giovannipiacen85
Actually the armor this is based on did in fact stop rifle bullets. The actual Italian army wasn't meant to stop machine gun or rifle rounds but mostly sharpnell, debris, barbed wire and grazing shots.
The event in the film probably never happened since there's no evidence and the Armored soldiers were engineers meant to clear the way before the actual assault.
@@Umcarasemvideo you need around 25 mm thick steel plates to stop a .308. An armor like that would weigh more than 100 kg, so I strongly doubt it could stop anything more than pistol caliber rounds realistically.
@@giovannipiacen85
.308 Isn't the only rifle round there is and this was WWI.
It stopped a .303 not a .308.
This would be the mountain war Italy fought against Austro-Hungarian troops in the Great War.
Morale super high for charging the enemy after seeing the poor guys in armour cut to pieces.
My God that was insane, even armor was no match for modern weapons in that war mostly.
Which battle of the Isonzo is this? (Sarcasm)
Which battle of the Isonzo is this? Answer "yes".
Hmm I think we have the men for another
I think this is the 23rd, but im not sure, it could be the 45th
This is the result of lack of strategic planning when it comes to attacking enemy they had no idea. Many soldiers died in WW2 due to lack of planning and planned attacks on the enemy
This is WW1
Not really, pretty much every attack was a planned offensive. Just that both sides couldn't break through each other defenses without an insane amount of men and munitions expended.
It never ceases to amaze me how big human stupidity can actually be, what hights can it reach and how many people are just willing to give their lifes for it without any questions.
One strategy they also had back then was to tell the man to *walk* toward the enemy to see where the machine gun fire where the heaviest.
WW 1 was a higher level of horror.
WW1: Lions led by donkeys.
Almous every war (exludeing Crusades).
@@dominiknycz7912History facts : 4th Crusade , instead of going to jerusalem , they went to Constantinople and massacred 30000 christians , childrens and women and burn all churches all way long !!!
"Wake up dear, it's time for the 25th Battle of the Isonzo"
"Yes, Luigi..."
Gian Maria Volante cameo is pretty cool
I expected a British police box, tardis, to materialize and Dr. Who to step out.
Back when Italia was still a country and not a dying theme park.
That's a rough day at the office, right there.
Well, that worked exactly as well as I expected it would.
Until generals realized a good soldier is not worth losing in battle.
military stopped being ran exclusively by rich idiots
Как жаль ребят. Первая мировая самая бессмысленная и бесполезная война. Сколько людей погибло ради чего, ради ничего.
Запомни эти Слова ....!!! Нельзя с начала убивать потом шептать - Я не нарочно !! Нельзя всё время предавать , потом молить - Исправлюсь Точно ! Нельзя сначала принижать потом просить - Прости за шутку ! Нельзя трусливо убегать сказав - Я на минутку ! Нельзя вернувшись сделать вид что всё как прежде остаётся ! Ведь жизнь на месте не стоит ! За всё .. Всегда .. Платить Придётся !!
Same as muscovites today. Dying for nothing in a foreign land.
@@croatianwarmaster7872 Im Krieg geben Politiker Munition, die Reichen Essen und die Armen ihre Kinder. Wenn der Krieg endet, geben sich Politiker die Hand, die Reichen erhöhen die Lebensmittelpreise und die Armen suchen nach den Gräbern ihrer Kinder.“ - Serbisches Sprichwort
@@croatianwarmaster7872 They were zombied. Propaganda plus dictatorship. Psychology, psychotronic weapons, fear. Many of them seriously believe that they are fighting for good. But Lord, your fellow Russians were killed by you in Mariupol, a hundred thousand civilians were killed by crazy people.
WWI _was_ a poor man's war. There was a theory in Victorian days that war was good for trimming down the excess population. People danced in the streets when the war began, and when it ended they hoped war would never happen again. And the treaties and division of the spoils were handled only paved the way for an even more destructive conflict a mere two decades later.
its hard to imagine humanity will never see this stuff again. It'll be very dangerous in the future when these wars are forgotten and what they did to us
Not exact .Germany exctually didn't get bad end of ww1.yes the payout was huge but land wise they got good deal
@@wingedhussar1453east prussia was literallly split from the rest of Germany. In what world is that good?
@@croatianwarmaster7872 prussua never was Germany it was a crusader state
War and death is always somebody else idea while they sit 1000 miles behind the front lines at a desk.
The first world war was just the height of brutality.
The scope of it was much broader than most English speakers know.
The Austro-Hungarian and Italian war in the Alps was every bit as ugly and pointless and the central or Eastern fronts.
The leadership on both sides was completely detached and indifferent to hardship of any scale.
I'd say it was one of the worst front s in the whole war
Still nothing compare to the Doiran heights at Salonika Front which is FAR WORSE than the Italian front.
220,000 Entente soldiers tried to climb that damn height for 4 years and they never made it until the Bulgarian surrender.
I'd say Stalingrad was the height of brutality, but the Great War sure deserves the second place.
This looks awkward af. Why not use shields like the Romans?
And what were they going to do once they breached the line? No weapons.
Because shields wouldn't do anything against 7.62 rounds and be even more cumbersome.
It was hoped they would cut the wire and clear wider paths for troops to cross. Now weapons because they couldn't see and had little arm movement
Modern-day bullet resistant ceramics wouldn't exist for another half century, and Kevlar would be a decade or more after.
@jamalwilburn228
So if a shield wouldn't stop projectiles, then why would this? I don't think a shield would be more cumbersome. At least you could discard it.
Again, if it was too cumbersome and poor visibility to wield a weapon, what's the point?
@jamalwilburn228
I'm not talking about modern body armor. If these suits were thought to work prior to the battle, why not make a shield of the same material?
@nicholasmuro1742 Desperation and false hope. They were sending thousands to their death and hoped maybe these would work. Even when if didn't, they still ordered the attack.
I like the idea of failed plans of armour before the invention of bullet proof vests
Last time the Italians were good at war, they were wearing togas.
During middle ages and Renaissance, Venetians and Genovese often hold back Ottomans. They just collapsed since modern era, because of their desunion and having missed the industrial revolution.
And looking for a Pack of Trojans
The enemy is always behind you! If everyone realised that then wars would never happen again.
My great grand father fought in this front in Austrian army. Italians were dying upon thousands, he said they would be singing before the charge and he liked those songs, also felt sorry for them a lot. Every war is shit, but WWI soldiers were dying like flies, like 1000 per hour
Would it be possible upload Captain Conan scenes in the near future?
I knew the armour wasn't going to work the moment I saw it. But did they ever test to see if it did anything? Because that was a disgraceful performance on the manufacturers part.
Probably worked on small calibers like pistols and smg but not rifles and MGs
@@guts-141 I was about to say the same thing. Smokeless powder was still fairly new and people didn't yet understand there was a dramatic difference between a full size rifle round and a slower pistol round.
@@austinhuber3131 I'd wager that the movie scene being slightly innacurate and the actual attack having a more nuanced, albeit unworkable concept, rather than the people making the armor didn't know how how their own bloody guns worked.
This armor is based on the Brewster armor which was a real thing that Americans developed. The Italians never used it though since they had their own lighter body armors. It was tested and could actually stop full sized rifle rounds but it was really heavy and unwieldy, so I can't find anything about it ever being used in the field.
Bold,courageous and futuristic….. wat brave souls these Men & Women were…. Being testers of this new kind of Armour back in those Days
The battle strategy in WWI was sheer stupidity. Unbelievable that more soldiers did not mutiny, to the point of stopping the stupidity.
I once watched that movie on tv. A war movie that really touched me. Sad and brutal
This is why ill never fight a war that isnt mine ,YOU FIGHT IT ! I fight for whats right not for whats wrong
Worst episode of Doctor who ever, look at the state of those Cybermen costumes 🤨
2:43 shoutout to the extra that dies even though the firing hasn't started yet 😂
That armor looked like lord Buckethead.
It also offered the same ability to see.
And comparable protection.
This was a lot cooler in Battlefild 1. Not so cash money in this flick
Thats what old men want gullible kids to think.