At first I thought the NCO was being callous but really he’s in the same boat as the other men. In many ways, I think his gruff attitude helps to give a business as usual air and prevents self pity or moping
Typical isn’t it: they only had ambulances for the officers, none for the other ranks. Until a corporal found a bunch of lorry drivers who were willing to take the wounded troops to the hospital during their lunch hour.
We have plenty of them, my grandad ex-rsm in the paras. The reason for not having shouting types and I'll have your guts types is that the navy and army train recruits differently nowadays
Not brave men, doing their duty in the horrors of an industrial war, against a vicious aggressor? Still I guess you've got a brilliant idea about how the war should have been conducted, lets hear it?
@@onastick2411 It shouldn't be conducted at all. That is the whole message of the film. War is a brutal, unnecessary hell which slaughters innocent men by the millions and traumatizes the survivors.
@@jjrj8568 Not really. They all came back from the front when it all finished to be treated as workshy dolescum. George Garratt writes that the unemployment situation for them became so bad that for years Pawn Shops carried WW1 bravery medals in their windows.
What sort of fairy tale world do you live in? They're not back from the front, the front the abandonen is 250mi. away at Mons. Theyre back from a rout.
Lord Nelson Officers have always been expected to return a salute to an lower rank to signal when they are to drop their salute. There are select cases when the salute should not be rendered but those are covered pretty neatly in public military handbook. The rule of thumb they taught us is “when in doubt, salute it out” but that’s for officer cadets training to become officers in the US Military so your mileage may vary
The SGT's salute was obscured in the video, but you can just see him drop the salute after the LT has returned the salute. Edit: We do see the officer salute the SGT a second time and his does go up first, but he's doing more as a goodbye and almost a dismissive gesture. Certainly back then it wasn't unusual to see officers use a salute more as a "full stop" to a conversation than a formal gesture. I remember seeing officers doing that back in the 80's as a way of saying "right get on with it"
If you look carefully, you'll see the sergeant drop his arm after the officer returns his salute. He's saluting the officer, you just don't see his arm in the shot.
YOU CLEARLY KNOW BUGGER-ALL. THE B.E.F WERE A TINY PROFESSIONAL ARMY, COMPARED TO THE GERMAN STEAM ROLLER, WHO WAS MIRACULOUSLY HALTED BY THIS LITTLE ''CONTEMPTIBLE ARMY'', SHOCKING THE GERMANS BY THEIR RAPID AND ACCURATE RIFLE FIRE. THEY ALSO THOUGHT THE BRITS WERE USING AUTOMATICS. . THE KAISER LATER SAID ,THEY WERE ''LIONS LED BY DONKEYS''.
@@MrDaiseymay Yeah yeah, I know the "so accurate and fast it seemed machine-gun fire" story. Perhaps dreadful is too harsh, but for me Mons was just a few shots and then "retreat, retreat!" until they got the Marne. Sir John French was a nervous guy. He wanted to retreat to Le Havre for a probable evacuation (that means like Dunkirk but in 1914!). At least Smith-Dorrien showed some balls at Le Cateau.
@@MrDaiseymay The Kaiser didnt say that, that phrase has been first attributed to the French infantry. This whole nonsense about the SMLE's high rate of fire is misplaced. The first opposition the Germans came up against were Vickers HMGs. Nontheless the British conducted a 250 mile retreat, and not a fighting retreat either.
I watched this scene and thought of my grandfather who, as Royal Engineer, saw action at the Somme and Ypres. Beautiful scene from a memorable film.
The first time I saw this film was Christmas 1984, when I was a kid. And I am not ashamed to say l cried like a baby.
At first I thought the NCO was being callous but really he’s in the same boat as the other men. In many ways, I think his gruff attitude helps to give a business as usual air and prevents self pity or moping
Typical isn’t it: they only had ambulances for the officers, none for the other ranks. Until a corporal found a bunch of lorry drivers who were willing to take the wounded troops to the hospital during their lunch hour.
Una película muy bien hecha en resaltar la estupidez de la guerra en su máxima expresión. Toda una joya en la extensión de la palabra.
Great scene --so atmospheric.
Looking across the ranks, they are all suffering from PTSD. No therapy for them though.,.
I surest you spend a bit more time and look at the contemporary film made at Southampton. You can find it if you search shell shock.
Hooray, Mafekings been relieved!
I guess they didn't have fragging in World War I. Though if they did, there probably wouldn't be any officers left.
Great scene, great direction.
Each man fighting his own battle.
A great movie
don't worry we will have you back at the front in no time mmmm like daa thanks
GREAT BIT OF SATIRE
Piffle, officers were always ensuring the care of their men
We need more Englishmen like those NCOs
We have them. Veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan where my son served as a NCO
We have plenty of them, my grandad ex-rsm in the paras. The reason for not having shouting types and I'll have your guts types is that the navy and army train recruits differently nowadays
the song was pack up your toubles in your old kit
bag
Lions led by donkeys. RIP, lads.
That phrase has been attributed to everyone from the French to the Russians.
Not brave men, doing their duty in the horrors of an industrial war, against a vicious aggressor? Still I guess you've got a brilliant idea about how the war should have been conducted, lets hear it?
twas tother way round
@@onastick2411 It shouldn't be conducted at all. That is the whole message of the film. War is a brutal, unnecessary hell which slaughters innocent men by the millions and traumatizes the survivors.
You always get some little two stripe FA never been further than HQ who fancies themselves as a hard man.
Treating men back from the front like garbage instead treating them respect . Jesus mary and Joseph .
this scene was innacurate
@@jjrj8568 Not really. They all came back from the front when it all finished to be treated as workshy dolescum. George Garratt writes that the unemployment situation for them became so bad that for years Pawn Shops carried WW1 bravery medals in their windows.
What sort of fairy tale world do you live in? They're not back from the front, the front the abandonen is 250mi. away at Mons. Theyre back from a rout.
And after the war was over, those who survived were shamed for not having died like the others.
It was a play written by a socialist culture warrior of his day.
since when did an officer salute a sergeant? great film though
jesus shaves officers return salutes all the time
Carter Massey you sure?
There are several mentions of the enlisted man being required to hold the salute until it is returned by the officer.
Lord Nelson Officers have always been expected to return a salute to an lower rank to signal when they are to drop their salute. There are select cases when the salute should not be rendered but those are covered pretty neatly in public military handbook.
The rule of thumb they taught us is “when in doubt, salute it out” but that’s for officer cadets training to become officers in the US Military so your mileage may vary
The SGT's salute was obscured in the video, but you can just see him drop the salute after the LT has returned the salute. Edit: We do see the officer salute the SGT a second time and his does go up first, but he's doing more as a goodbye and almost a dismissive gesture. Certainly back then it wasn't unusual to see officers use a salute more as a "full stop" to a conversation than a formal gesture. I remember seeing officers doing that back in the 80's as a way of saying "right get on with it"
Great film poor history. If you want history look at the Peter Jackson film.
Not: "what's the use *of*'". but, rather, 'what's the use *in*'' worrying': in standard English?
What's the song there singing when they leave the station
Don't know if you've found it but it's pack up your troubles in your old kit bag.
We're here because we're here we're here because we're here.. Its sang to the tune of auld lang syne.
Officer saluting the sergeant at 1:13, I don't think so !
WRONG
I've always been told to hold the salute until the officer returns it..?
If you look carefully, you'll see the sergeant drop his arm after the officer returns his salute. He's saluting the officer, you just don't see his arm in the shot.
@luvli5656 You hate the fact you have to be a man?.. so that means you are a woman then??
dreadful performance by the BEF at Mons
Fuck u
YOU CLEARLY KNOW BUGGER-ALL. THE B.E.F WERE A TINY PROFESSIONAL ARMY, COMPARED TO THE GERMAN STEAM ROLLER, WHO WAS MIRACULOUSLY HALTED BY THIS LITTLE ''CONTEMPTIBLE ARMY'', SHOCKING THE GERMANS BY THEIR RAPID AND ACCURATE RIFLE FIRE. THEY ALSO THOUGHT THE BRITS WERE USING AUTOMATICS. . THE KAISER LATER SAID ,THEY WERE ''LIONS LED BY DONKEYS''.
@@MrDaiseymay Yeah yeah, I know the "so accurate and fast it seemed machine-gun fire" story. Perhaps dreadful is too harsh, but for me Mons was just a few shots and then "retreat, retreat!" until they got the Marne. Sir John French was a nervous guy. He wanted to retreat to Le Havre for a probable evacuation (that means like Dunkirk but in 1914!). At least Smith-Dorrien showed some balls at Le Cateau.
@@MrDaiseymay The Kaiser didnt say that, that phrase has been first attributed to the French infantry. This whole nonsense about the SMLE's high rate of fire is misplaced. The first opposition the Germans came up against were Vickers HMGs. Nontheless the British conducted a 250 mile retreat, and not a fighting retreat either.
@@MrDaiseymay Nobody said "Lions led by donkeys" that was a lie written by Alan Clarke, a Tory MP, in his book published in the 1960,s
What a load of bullshit
In what way...??? we need some more than a pithy comment! makes you you sound like a d!ck...!
You certainly are.