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Nonsense. If the Germans prevailed in 1914-1918 War Europe would have been better off.

IT'S ALL ABOUT TIMING AIN'T IT ?

Derek Newark: served in the Coldstream Guards and Royal Artillery before becoming an actor. He died in 1998. I agree it's an excellent portrayal of an experienced regular NCO of the period, and one of the best scenes in this film.

WELL DONE ''LEST WE FORGET''.

Oh! What a Lovely War

And we have such gullible people even today doing and believing exactly what the government tells them. Ukraine is a perfect example with us in the west beating our chests to Russia. I mean why would we want to send a young man from France or the U.K. to die for a fight between Ukraine and Russia yet that’s the way it’s going. And no one dares says ‘no’ and no dares tell the media to stop stirring. It was the same in WW1 - fight for what. Germany never threatened the west and only did so when we threatened it because the elites ego was put out of joint because they thought they should rule the waves.

I am very sorry your grandfather suffered. I expect you would call me a Toff, but all classes suffered. My grandmother lost both her husband and her son in WW1. She gave the Bolitho Maternity Home to Penzance, so I guess you could say that out of death there came life. She put a beautiful stained glass window into Paul Church outside Penzance, and into Leusdon Church in Devon, as we then had land in both counties. She came from Invergordon Castle, so there was a monument I believe in Invergordon, as well as a cut-granite stable bungalow outside Penzance, complete with a memorial plaque to her lost son. / The windows are superb works of art, and give a lot of people something to see, while the bungalow has been a good home for a century, so her grief had some benefit. I never met her, so whether it did her any good, I do not know. / What I do know about your father's war, was that everything possible was done to minimise casualties. The soldiers loved Field Marshall Montgomery because they knew he cared about each and every life lost. I know this makes me sound like a "toff", but it is true - the husband of my late mother's cook, Violet, was a man by the name of Percy Cockings, and he had served in the Eighth Army, and was very proud of it. / My late father was a WW2 submarine officer with a DSC, and when he had heart problems, he went to Osbourne House on the Isle of Wight, then a service hospital or convalescent home - I forget which. There he met an older Irish lady, Betty Sheridan, and they got on so well, and as she needed a place to live, she came to one of our flats. She had been a nurse in WW1, and her fiance was killed, so she never married. She was a sister in WW2, and her convoy was shelled by the Germans, and she broke her back, though she recovered. She had a good dozen medals - more than my father - and on the Africa Star ribbon there was stiched on a silver '8', signifying that she had been under fire. She was very proud of that. / We are lucky we never saw war, due to their service. /

Forgetting the royal British legion was created,with Haig as it's first president. Raised funds for veterans and Gave them a club to go to. And companionship with others who served. Some councils gave land to some so they could have small holdings to do a bit of farming,etc. They weren't forgotten,or ignored.

You mean the legion which has millions and wont help out veterans whilst the directs ate on 100's of 1000s​@Trebor74

I think your caricature of the Toffs is wide of the mark. Many of the middle class and upper classes who served in the Great War were also badly scared by the war. My friend's grand father on his mother's side was an senior officer and he committed suicide after the war. There is a popular myth that the officers were all wining and dining at Chateaus miles behind the front while the ordinary soldiers were being slaughtered. In reality, the British Army lost 200 senior Officers at the rank of Lieutenant General during the conflict.

No, it started with Charles Chiltern simply taking a note of the songs, the voice of the men. Joan Plowright then used it as a history of the war, which nearly got censored by the Establishment, on a shoestring budget at the Theatre Royal Stratford - she used end-of-the-pier pierrot costumes as they were what she had, rather than uniforms, and that got caught up in the Summer of Love anti-Vietnamse War movement. In the autumn of 69, Dickie Attenborough got the necessary rights together to make the film, and a cast of the whole UK theatre establishment. I'd just joined the CCF battalion at the school which had founded the National Youth Theatre movement fourteen years earlier, and had spent the afternoon sorting the stores in search of a battledress my size - an the bottom of a pile of kit about eight feet high was a box, different cloth and cut, I looked for a label - 1917. I finished off, left the box where it was, and reported back to Admin. The guy was on the phone, retired RSM, "No, Dickie, sorry, I'm pretty sue we don't have any WW1 uniforms. What is it, Rahere? We do? Well, you speak to Mr Attenborough then." That solved the issue of the box - and irritated Mrs Plowright considerably. A couple of months passed, basic training complete, orders from Admin, be on parade in uniform 0630 outside the school gates on Saturday. That meant the milk train. So there I was, feeling a right lemon, when a parp-parp came from down the road, a charabanc rolled into sight with the cast on board. That's how I took my first salute from Olivier and Gielgud, the High Command of the stage, they'd partied the night at Stratford and were now en route to Clapham Common to join the London-Brighton veteran car rally, ahead of filming in and behind the town. A lifetime later, I was a Staff Colonel, beating militarism into Peacemaking, and realised there was a hidden message to the cast. Then as now, it's the teens who die. At least the reintroduction of National Service has faded with the election. It is, certainly, something a citizen must do to defend the Nation, and that requires training. But it's not the right of the feudal rump to demand it, and at long last the end of the Hereditary Peerage is in sight.

This musical is from the 1960s at the height of the anti Vietnam war movement. All Quiet was on the Western Front was originally a Hollywood film made in 1930, then remade in 1979 for TV and finally the more recent German version. You might want to check out 1917 for a more modern, British look at the Great War.

@@biteycat That's because Charles Chiltern's original focus was on collecting the songs before they were lost to time. From there, Joan Plowright added the political direction, and Richard Attenborough abstracted the wider point made first by Rudyard Kipling, mourning the loss of his only child, in Dulce et Decorum. I was innocently manipulated into delivering that payload to the cast, but at the same time went on to complete Gandhi's unfinished business, solo.

Often the best keep silent. It meant something to serve the country then. Government has trashed that since. But you still take prode in it. / I was briefly a TAVR infantryman, but the hierarchy were in the early stages of Woke, and we spoke a different language, so I left. My family has produced warriors for centuries. /

My Grandad enlisted in 1915 in 4th Hallamshire Battalion York and Lancs in Sheffield, his soldiering days ended in October 1917 in Ypres when he nearly had his arm shot off, prior to that he had been attached to a tunnelling company, I think 184 which was only found out by chance, he said very little of it all, I wish I knew what he had done, but I dread to think what he went through

@@zen4men “Often the best kept silent.” I’d say it wasn’t just “the best”. Not many people talked about the war because it stirred up bad feelings. Memories that were buried deep, too horrific to contemplate. Trauma has that effect. Oh, my eldest brother went into the TAVR and came out of it as a raving communist who got worse as the years went on. We don’t talk now. Part of me thinks that maybe his politics is a snarl, a kind of psychological barrier to stop people getting too close. People are far more complex than you make them out to be. It’s not all black hats and white hats. There’s always the element of greyness.

@@LoriCiani All government organisations are expelling anyone not Far Left. Classic Cancel Culture tactics used by every tyranny. Always ends in genocide. Unless stopped. /

Many didn't talk about their wartime experiences. I only discovered this year that a beloved uncle of mine served with the British army in Italy in WW2. I knew nothing about this until my older sister told me. All she knows is that when he was demobbed, he bore a lifelong hatred for the Italians, though she couldn't say why. Yesterday, while going through boxes of old photos I removed while clearing out my late mother's house, I found two photos of him in uniform. Uncle Charlie died over 30 years ago and none of the older generation of my family are still alive who might know what happened to him. What I can say is that he was the most decent, kind and wonderful uncle a boy could have and I will love him dearly to the end of my days. When I was very small, he used to ruffle my hair or tickle me and call me an old fraud. I'm 72 now and I can still hear his gentle voice in my head when I think of those words. Rest in peace Uncle Charlie. I was so lucky to grow up surrounded by your love.

Really? There were some very, very good officers in the Great War. The problem with this film is that it is as much an artefact of the 60s anti-establishment as it is an accurate portrayal of many elements of the War - not least because of the huge inaccuracies of "The Donkeys" - the book that was the spur to this and other protrayals.

ARE YOU JUDGING THE WHOLE FILM BY THIS SNIPPIT, IF SO , SEEK HELP.

What's so terrible about the whole thing was WWI is overshadowed by WWII. Despite more people dying in WWII, I find WWI was much worse since it was literally a meat grinder where people died for nothung

@@aishabintabubakr4944 Because WWI had a really incompetent General Staff from what I can gather.

@@labeles41 Do some proper research! The Far Left want you to believe their propaganda. The army learnt. Remember, Britain was NOT a continental army like Prussia/Germany or France. It was TINY. By 1918, it was 5 million men, and with our allies, we swept the Germans from the battlefield. We created combined arms soldiering. A cousin of mine invented the whip aeriel for tanks, based on his fishing rod, and he pioneered air-to-ground radio for artillery spotting. Many years later, he moored his yacht next to an author, and his name - Richard Bolitho - became the hero of many books. / Just find out how many senior British officers were killed on the battlefield. The Far Left tells you they were all miles back in chateaus, which some were. But plenty went right to the front. Winston Churchill - a cabinet minister - was a Lieutenant-Colonel in the Royal Scots in WW1 - right in the trenches. / People like Montgomery, who saw poor staff work, particularly early in the war, made it his life's work to be the consumate staff officer, and then a caring general. Which was why his soldiers loved him. / When Douglas Haig died after WW1, huge numbers of soldiers mourned his passing, even though he lacked Montgomery's common touch. / his nam

And world war two had better leadership?, i think you need read more, Churchill who sent so many to their deaths for nothing but his own personal glory, would you get on a bus with a drunken driver, you many staff officers have Churchill was drunk half of the time,

@@labeles41 SOME SAY THE Y FOUGHT IT LIKE THEY DID AT WATERLOO

Correct, it's a disgraceful lie, there are very good reasons why the British Army, alone of all the major combatants, never mutinied or indeed had any notable disciplinary issues throughout the whole war.

Yes, that's true. But it's out of the subaltern's hands here. I think what's being shown is how the number of unexpected casualties swamped the home country's resources. The War is already growing into a monster.

The degree of Communisation nowadays, I find it hard to believe anything that the media say.

@@redtobertshateshandlesYet, those to the left say the media has never been so right wing. It’s a matter of opinion, said the man with the wooden leg. Wherever you stand politically you’re going to see the media on the opposite side. The more extreme the view, the more to the opposite they seem to be. A healthy little dose of scepticism and a handy fact check is a good thing, but blind disbelief, (like blind belief,) can lead you up the tin foil hat alleyway.

What my father told me of his first time in the army, (he enlisted during the depression and traveled to places like India and South Africa.) He told me about the bullying that went on and the things that “superior” officers got up to. Even so my father returned to duty when the Second World War broke out, leaving my mother to cope with their young sons on very little money. My grandfather fought in the First World War. I never knew him, but from what I was told about him, it must have affected him because he was a bit of a violent alcoholic when he returned. Neither of them got any help to return to civilian life or cope with the trauma and PTSD they suffered. In turn their families suffered.

UNLESS YOU SET OUT TO CREATE A HISTORIC DOCUMENTARY, AND CLAIM IT TO BE SO, YOU CANNOT HOPE TO SEE THAT WHEN IT IS A , ENTERTAINMENT WITH MUSIC, AND B, WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN FOR THE STAGE, BY A HARDENED LEFT-WING CRITIC.

and the war in your head never ends just a lull in the war for it to come back again this war we still have today in our service personal but you can not see it just the problems it causes

In what way...??? we need some more than a pithy comment! makes you you sound like a d!ck...!

You certainly are.

You obviously know a lot about bullshit - or perhaps you don't, because this isn't.

Complete bollocks of course, never happened and more to do with the hard-left, anti-establishment obsessions of the late 1960's. That you're prepared to take this snippet at face value says a lot about it's effectiveness and your own credulity and lack of curiosity. The whole film is full of crap like this.

If you believe that you obviously know nothing about the British Army.

Officer casualties as a proportion were higher than other ranks and I write that as the grandson and great grandson and great great nephew of many who served on the Western Front as rankers in front line infantry units .German soldiers sought out officers as targets to the point where officers went over the top wearing private's tunics and carrying rifles to avoid being targeted .

Yeah, business as usual meaning the wounded officers get transport arranged and the enlisted have to rely on the good will of lorry drivers. Business as usual - UK style.

@@229andymon oh definitely

IT WAS BITING SATIRE, SOME SAY OVER THE TOP, BUT NOT FOR ME, I'VE READ MANY MANY QUALITY AND WELL RESEARCHED ACCOUNTS, BY INTERNATIONL HISTORIANS OF HIGH REPUTE, IT WAS BANNED FOR SEVERAL MONTHS IN AMERICA, BECAUSE OF THE MASS OPPOSITION AND RIOTINGBY THE ANTI VIETNAM MOVEMENT. GIVEN THIS FILMS MESSAGE, IT COULD HAVE FANNED THE FLAMES EVEN MORE.