Retro Gaming Cables Comparision Explained RGB Cable RGB SCART s-video Component Composite - YouTube
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- This video discusses the various cables and video outputs from retro consoles. When I discuss each cable, the scope of the topic is limited to retro consoles and not the standard itself.
Eg Component for example can produce HD resolutions, but not from retro consoles.
Choosing the right Retro Gaming Cable
Your TV plays a large part in deciding Which is best so if you're a RGB SCART kind of guy, then stick to RGB and upscale it. If your an American who never had the SCART connector on your TV, then stick to Component and Composite.
OK let's clarify some points from the comments!
1. SCART isn't a format, it's a piece of plastic and metal.
2. RGB is the format inside SCART, but it can also carry S-Video and Composite. Please be specific.
3. Resolution is a determining factor when choosing cables! As the consoles got newer came higher resolutions, so naturally you may choose a different cable to get the best out of them. PS2 for example is best used with Component cables as the CONSOLE supports a higher resolution over that format only.
4. RESOLUTION: The term 240p describes a resolution of approximately 320x240 pixels progressively. It means each line is drawn on the screen one after another. Most retro consoles were limited to 240P so RGB was the CLEANEST best.way to get the video to your TV.
If you mess about with 240P, you get 480i
Standard definition television (NTSC) is 480i, a far cry from HDTV's 720p and 1080i. The i stands for interlaced. This means that every 60th of a second, half the image is shown. The first 60th shows the odd lines of the image, the second 60th shows all the even lines. Your eye/brain combines these into one image
Think of 480i as a messed up 240P
Things then stepped up to 480P progressive scan
The Dreamcast is a great example of 480P in the format of VGA.
Traditionally, VGA is 640x480 pixels, and yes can be called the same format as 480P.
So as newer consoles introduced higher resolutions, we have to move to WHICHEVER cable supports that mode. So 480P for example can only easily be had from VGA or Component. It's then the best choice for THAT console.
5. Which cable to use?
IT DEPENDS ON YOUR TV AND EXISTING SETUP!!! There's no real answer for ALL but here's my breakdown.
UPDATE 2020 - I would now recommend a RAD2X HDMI cable if it's available for your console. Check them out here at RGC shorturl.at/vNSV7
Old consoles like Atari - Composite 240P or RF if that's all it had
NINTENDO
Famicom - Composite or RGB modded 240P
Super Nintendo - RGB 240P
Gamecube - Offical Digital component cables - 480P, otherwise PAL can run RGB 240P and NTSC S-Video 240P
N64 - RGB 240P, or modded with Ultra64 to HDMI
Wii - Do we even care? Use Component for 480P
SEGA
Master System - RGB 240P
Mega Drive / Genesis - RGB 240P
Saturn - RGB 240P
Dreamcast - VGA 480P, or RGB 240P
PS1 - RGB 240P
PS2 - Component 480P but RGB can also do 480P when in RGsB mode. Stick to Component as it's easier and looks good.
XBOX Original - Component 480i and 480P
XBOX 360 - HDMI if it has it, otherwise Component
Newer consoles - HDMI (Don't even mess about, if it has HDMI use it.)
6. Component is a fantastic format for newer consoles! :) RGB was the best for older retro consoles. I guess that's the summary that a lot of people just don't get.
7. On older consoles that are limited to 240P, RGB is the best. Things changed at the XBOX, Dreamcast and PS2 generation when they introduced HIGHER resolutions such as 480i and 480P which were generally only supported by Component.
For more reading and a way better explanation of each console, go and harass Bob over at retrorgb.com/ He's a top bloke and has very interesting explanations of everything.
I personally recommend RGB SCART cables from these guys in the UK. They make extremely high-quality cables with custom Sync audio options. They also ship worldwide for US customers.
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Recommended Upscaler is the XRGB Framemeister - amzn.to/2eyLcop
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Hi All, thanks for the ongoing discussion around this video! I think I'll make a follow up as there's so much more to say and to clarify the misunderstandings out there that many people seem to have. Check out the description for a breakdown of points.
I've just watched a 24 minute long video about video cables… No regrets.
I've been on the search for cables for my retro consoles for a couple of days now and my search has led me here, best most informative video yet, thank you
Finally, someone who's explained all these wires in plain English!! Thanks!
This video is by far the most informative explanation of analogue video standards I’ve come across. Immensely helpful- and will greatly assist my future retro console capture needs. Thank you immensely.
I am using the HD retrovision Component cable for my Genesis and wow even if NOT the absolute best possible the upgrade is MASSIVE! I love it.!
BRIAN WALKER yep they are great cables if you can't use RGB SCART.
It's just tapping into the RGB output and converting it to y/pb/pr., they don't like to make that too specific, but there's a bunch of folks now thinking component video output is something available from all those 16 bit consoles.
Alex Paulsen Spot on Alex. RGB to Component is a good idea, so I'm supportive of their cables. They should fully explain the tech specs on their website though
from what i understand, mathematically scart and component are exactly equal. so rgb over component is exactly the same as over scart.
Have you been hanging out on the CRT collective on facebook? RGB and Y/Pb/Pr are not the same thing.
Great video dude. I love when people go to the essence instead of bullshit
thanks so much for the video. I've always hated composite and RF. most of my gear is component or RGB SCART as I have three Loewe CRT TV's and they have four scart inputs with two being RGB Scart and the other two being composite only. I was going to get an RGB Scart cable for one of my PS2's but your video helped me stick with component, it's awesome.
GOD BLESS YOU!
Criminally misunderstood topic.
Component cables are certainly underrated. Due to a lack of inputs on my TV, I had to resort to the component input, and after a HDMI conversion, I can output a 1080p picture with it.
I would still use scart for my older AV stuff, and because I grew up in Ireland, I have a lot of nostalgia associated with scart.
Thanks so much for this very helpful video as I am getting ready to go all out with RGB and framemeister.
NES + NES RGB SCART cable + SCART-HDMI upscaler = pseudo-HD NES gaming heaven.
Why is Scart not available in the U.S.?
Interesting video mate, I find your videos very informative. Thanks :)
Thanks James. I have a bad habit of rambling too long on one point, but I try to explain things to a decent level.
I remember, In the 90's I've played consoles through the rgb scart cables (SFC, MD, PS1, Saturn), or s-video like 3do. I never used to play consoles, using rf.
Great video, as always. I wish you could bring your audio level up. I'm a native English speaker but Australian can be more challenging to understand, causing a higher mental load, so having a higher audio level would help. You don't have to use the audio level of EEVBlog, but there is a method to his madness.
Thanks John. Sure no problem. I use a higher quality mic these days, but the volume is hard to set. I'll turn it up a bit from now on. Where are you from?
@@GlobalGarageAus it was quiet for me too, probably the levels need to be set higher in your video editing program.
I use composite into a scart and then scart to hdmi. The name on the converter is Deltaco Prime scart to hdmi video converter. The result is ridiculously good. Have a nice day Sir.
That is correct, but the av Famicom doesn't support scart or does it? If it does I will be happy. Multi out to scart same they use on supernintendo.
using composite via SCART was common in the UK ,it does make a slight different because it separates the signals via the pins ,basically just less interference ,it dosnt polish a turd but it makes it less noisy through the signal path
This was more informative then the 50 min on retro cable by My life in Gaming.
Those guys are just a little too nerdy.
@@SpeccyHorace
Lol
Great video! I'm a big believer in RGB, I was blown away when I first saw my CRT running my MegaDrive.
You have a new subscriber :-)
Once you go RGB in 60hz on a CRT, you never go back. :)
Global Garage CRT??? who uses that... PVMs... that's a different case :)
toon man I use Loewe CRTs as they were the best consumer grade TVs in my opinion. I would love a PVM or BVM but can't find one in 20" or above. Playing on a tiny 14" is not worth it.
Global Garage there hard to find, especially at a good price. I personally got a 14N6U which was a 14 incher but I could find reviews on it. Its small to work with but i personally find 14' to still be immersible experience if experienced in the right environment, not the best but given it was $120 vs a $350 more known 14L5. I'd say the best spot is local because even if you find one on eBay there's so few people will snatch it because of how easily they can find it.
I found this channel trying to find the same problem as I encountered for one of my Sega genesises and came up short, license screen but will not boot up the game no matter what I do, the board looks fine so I'm questioning the pins or an overlooked cap. paid $14.50 so its not a loss if I don't figure it out haha. Thanks for replying! :)
Some additional notes, correct me if I'm wrong:
I don't get your reasoning against the 1-pin plugs. Coaxial cables can throughput several hundreds of Megabits per second and they also use just one pin.
At 5:22 you say, analog audio was not really good in general, only "o.k.", but it's used everywhere, also for Hi-Fi stuff.
As someone already pointed out, the analog VGA cable can also be used for 1080p. Someone also made a video about a 1080i SCART-connection using a PS2 on UA-cam.
I think some devices can send a component signal (video only) via SCART connectors.
Thanks for this, and for the UK cable recommendation!
Hell of a video
Voltage does not go down the wire, it is current that flows. "Digital cables" are not digital at all. It is still analog signals and currents flowing along a wire. It is the protocol that is digital and decoded / encoded. This is still an analog signal that transitions very fast which radiates more spurious emissions which is why high quality HDMI cables have better screening around the individual conductors or bundles of conductors.
Y'know i made a component to VGA connector for my original Xbox by spicing a component Cable into a VGA. Worked so good.
That sounds interesting. Can you share the details please?
I had a DELL 900p monitor that allowed forcing of 1080p with minimal quality loss and with VGA and HDMI. Well from what I understood at the time (this was 2011, I was 16 or 17) after hours of research, that the OG XBOX did not have VGA output on a hardware level. So I thought, what if I splice the wires to work like component but just through VGA, seeing as they are both analogue.
So I matched colours just like when rewiring headphones. A little wire tape and krazy glue (no soldering iron at the time) I was able to build an original XBOX VGA cable. It's literally that simple as long as the monitor supports Y, Pb/Cb, and Pr/Cr as well as RGB. It was just as simple as plug and play as soon as I got the other leads like sync, various 12v rails and others in their right place. Audio wasn't even an issue because the component cable came with them already attached. Just switch the monitor from it's default RGB to Y Pb Pr.
If you're wondering what gave me the inspiration to do this, I had an old tube TV that recently killed over, and I had no other way of getting some JSRF and Midtown Madness 3 nostalgia going. So I used the VGA port on my monitor since my Xbox 360 was using the HDMI.
I've never used S-Video and such things, in Europe everything had SCART. I remember there was adapter for PS1 and PS2 to connect it to SCART on your TV. Oldest VHS players had only coaxial cable with signal and you had to find it in your TV as normal TV channel but then only SCART was everywhere. Sometimes even yellow, green and white cables for connet sound and picture, that was also common. People were saying scart is better but I've never seen any important difference, maybe even scart looked worse I would say because many scart cables and connectors were poor quality with bad contacts, it didn't hold in TV good and there was too much cables near to each others so that can be reason why cheap scarts had such terrible picture with interference. I've never seen ghosting with yellow cinch composite video.
I think problem with LCDs is not only with conversion from analog to digital, it's even about LCD can't diapley sharply non native resolution, even PC monitors have same problem. You have for example 4K monitor and you want to play in FHD and it looks terrible. Same problem was in the past when I had 1680x1050 monitor and I wanted to play in 1280x800, it just looked blurry. I think the best way how to use old consoles is find some good quality CRT, but it's not so easy today and there is problem with blinking 50 Hz refresh rate which is burning my eyes, but console players were sitting much further than pc users so that wasn't so big problem.
Nice video. I wish I had found your video when I started out as it took some research to learn all this info and you explain it very clearly. I'm in the US where we don't have scart on our tvs but I found a crt with s video and component. yay. hd retrovision cables are always sold out so unless I convert scart to component thats as good as it gets for my genesis console. My snes has s video which looks pretty good
This video will probably be a good reference for that.
Awesome explanation man! +1 for MyLifeInGaming literally watched all there videos now im set! Just annoyed the sms2 got rid of the s video connector.Now to find a upscaler that isnt the Framemeister and isnt 500 aussie dollars
Hey +Tom Brazil thanks for the feedback! Now that i've made this video I have thought of so much more to say and add to the conversation. I may make a follow up Part 2... getting in Upscalers, also talk about CRT TVs
brilliant idea as everyone just references the framemeister...Still have a crt for retro...keep the vids coming man!
Question why now in present time
I heard so many people saying that component video quality is the same as RGB scart???
They're almost the same, but RGB SCART edges it (it's a tiny bit better). The downside though is that RGB SCART does not support progressive scan output, only interlaced (so if you have e.g. some ps2 games which have a 480p / 576 p output then you can only use component, otherwise you'll get 480i / 576i and the TV will deinterlace the signal. Btw there are only a few NTSC ps2 games that support progressive resolution and even fewer PAL ones, so it's not really a big deal)
A PSA for people buying (cheap)SCART cables, cheap ones often say they are RGB but they "forget" the switching resistors to put it into RGB mode making it run in composite mode, also many "forget" the caps and/or resistors often required on the RGB lines(depending on the console).
Yep Sandy that's what happens with cheap cables. I've seen plenty of cheap SCART cables with the bias voltage set too low on Pin 16 causing this exact problem. The Chinese factories will sometimes use ANY resistor they have instead of the correct rating. For others reading this, check out Pin 16 on the right side of this Wiki article. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCART
Global Garage And somehow these ebay cables usually have no reviews despite showing hundreds sold. I suspect the vendors may regularly remake their listings, or have some other way of concealing a low quality product.
Fantastic video, you have a very clear and compact way of explaining these things. You should consider becoming a teacher on the subject lol.
great video as always dude
Thanks Owen
This is a awesome video i finally understand
great vid ! .....any decent Scart to HDMI converters you recommend for around 40-60 bucks ? I know the frameister is great and one day I will upgrade to that but looking for a cheaper alternative for now.....
the dreamcast can do VGA its fantastic !!!!
VGA on Dreamcast is amazing! It still shocks me how good it was.
Haven't finished watching, but it's pretty good so far. I wouldn't brush off S-video though. The jump in clarity from composite to S-video is huge. The just from S-video to component / RGB is still a noticeable improvement, but S-video isn't disappointing at all -- unless you get the ubiquitous junk cable that sends composite video (chroma+luma) through both the chroma and luma signal pins.
S-Video is pretty good compared to RF and Composite, but these days no TV supports S-Video so it's a bit of a dead end to follow. You're way better off using RGB cables into an OSSC and playing everything on a modern TV. I've started to move away from CRTs now.
Global Garage I still say it's way easier for average Joe to grab a $3 CRT at the thrift store and use S-video. Most casual retro gamers aren't serious enough to invest in the kind of equipment we do. I have OSSC, Hi-Def NES, and both HD RetroVision cables with all adapters, but that's not the obvious path for someone with a casual retro gaming interest.
I use Hdmi for PS4 Pro, Switch, Wii U, PS3, and Xbox 360.
VGA for my Dreamcast.
Component for PS2, Gamecube, amd OG Xbox.
HD Retrovision Component for Snes, PS1, Master System, Saturn, and Genesis Cd 32X tower.
S Video for N64, Philips Cdi, and Atari Jaguar.
The only consoles I use Composite for is my Nes and Turbo Duo. Any recommendations for getting better quality video out of those two consoles?
standalone S-video never got popular in Europe, morelikely built-in SCART
I use composite on my Nintendo Wii and it looks just fine
It looks sht
Composite is serviceable for most
One wire can carry a lot of information, its all about the encoding or the context it is being used, since this is analog RF using a primitive encoding scheme on a even on a 7MHz wide channel it is correct that the quality would be rubbish by todays standards, but the same cable in theory can carry almost unlimited amount of bandwidth, subject to distance limitations, cable quality, attenuation and other factors.
DOCSIS cable modems using the same single core cable can modulate using 256-QAM up to 38Mbps of digital information in the downstream on a slightly narrower 6MHz channel, now with newer versions of docsis that have bonding technology, it is able to combine multiple channels within the available bandwidth spectrum of that single core cable over RF now going up to the gigaherz range. We can push in theory with symmetrical DOCSIS 3.1 10Gbps in both directions.
Of course the physical layer 1 signal would be analog but with the complex encoding and advanced error correction of lower and upper layer digital protocols, we can even deliver 4K video or higher through the line without any loss in quality. Any inconsistancies in the signal will be corrected by the algorithm so it will be hardly if at all can be noticed by the user, or if the signal is that bad, it may not work at all.
For this very reason some critical applications like 2way radio retain analog transmission like between aeroplanes and ATC is because of this: even if the signal is full of static the trained ear of a pilot or a air traffic controller may still be able to make out the transmission vs with digital it is either crystal clear or nothing gets thru at all but both roughly using the same amount of analog bandwidth on the channel.
It is the same reason a pair of "skinny" phone lines only provides a slow 56k thru dialup but the same pair when fed thru a VDSL DSLAM and bonded can reach over 100Mbps, but a 4pair cable (of which only 2 is used unless its gigabit) can only deliver 10Mbps over original Ethernet
I have one cuestion im making my gaming retro setup. All consoles have RGB if i buy adaptor to scart? will work better or same as RGB? THe cable scart alone better than adaptor? to much new cables i gues... to much money there is a bug diference?
I would submit a bit of a correction. Component video is capable of carrying various signals, such as 480i, 480p, 576i, 576p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p, 2160p and beyond. Many new high definition TVs support the use of component video up to their native resolution.
Source
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Component_video
Component is technically an analog version of HDMI
Correction? I'm referring to retro consoles only and summarising. Not many consoles supported Component natively. By no measns was this video an explanation of the technica standards of each video source. hmmm Of course, if people want to know more about each video standard, Wikipedia is a great resource. thanks.
Eh i understand.. On a side note, I subbed, you have some of the best information in your videos.
No worries Chris. Thanks for watching and the Sub. If you want to see a vid on more detailed topics, I can certainly do that. Or if you have any other topic requests just ask. Cheers.
In America at least the best we had was composite, mabye S-video up until the late 90s, component came later, basically its a pain to get scart without spending an insane amount of money
But whats the difference between csync vs sync on luma? And witch one is better to get? 😭
Shame our TVs in Australia don't usually have RGB Scart :(
Uncommon, but many Euro CRTs had them which were sold here. Even if you can’t find one you can connect RGB SCART into the OSSC for amazing results
14:53 and I made that exact mistake last week lol, ordered a new rgb scart lead from retro gaming cables a few days ago.
I wish i could use scart cabils but American tv's dont have scart connection we never got scart
You could use a Scart to component-adapter
Open source scan converter.
Great vid! Do you know if it's difficult to make a VGA to SCART RGB cable? I have a gscart switch and would like to use the second output to go to a CRT for light gun games! :)
The problem is not the pinouts, it's getting the 31Khz down to 15Khz. Try this article. members.optusnet.com.au/eviltim/scart.htm
What's so complicated to explain about component video? Green is the Luma (Y) and sync information, Blue is the phase difference of Luma - Blue (Pb), and Red is the difference of Luma - Red (Pr). The difference of Luma - Green is not carried through the cables, but the device receiving the signal determines that itself based on the other signals it received.
Great explanation thanks. I hesitated when explaining this in the video as I target my content for an audience who generally wants to know the basics and make informed purchasing decisions or just to get the best out of their setup. If I give nerdy in-depth, technical explanations for things like YPbPr I'll probably bore people and that's just not fun for anyone.
Most people would find that information complicated....
if the console is emitting S-Video and you run it with a retro shop custom made scart lead you’ll still get the same picture as using an S-Video cable wouldn’t it?
To All,
I have been going nuts in the past couple of months
trying to find the ideal RGB SCART cable for the Sega Saturn NA Version.
Each cable claimed to be the best, yet a loud annoying buzz feedback
has been coming through on my audio feed. I discovered this feedback
noise is caused from poor quality cables that do no shield wires. Hence,
90% of the cables out there. "retro_console_accessories" of EBAY
sells a RGB SCART cable 10 times thicker than the normal cable for a
little more cost. Get the shield upgrade charge with this cable. I am
running Bowers & Wilkins 7.2 Channel Stereo system with a very good
receiver. I put the volume to max and still zero noise feedback!! The
picture quality is amazing, colors that are normally deficient are now
complete, bright and vibrant. If you are serious about retro gaming in
high quality use a good SCART cable with a HD Upscaler Box.
IMO all eBay sellers offer junk cables from China. Steer clear of that mess and buy from this company in the UK. They honestly are the best RGB SCART cables you can buy for both PAL and NTSC. Retro Gaming Cables goo.gl/eb5iMi
Thank you for the heads up! Sorry, I dont mean to appear to "plug" any advertisement. It is an authentic issue that was driving me crazy. My most recent cable is like 1/4" thick and each wire was professionally shielded which did the trick for me. I will definitely check out the company you recommended as well from the UK, thank you for that advice. I agree that in the store masses weather Amazon, Ebay etc, sell a generic cable that sucks.
Component is newer and better than RGB. Component supports RGB and higher resolutions.
great information! thanks
Kevin Twiner No worries. I'm thinking of making a part 2 video to explain a few more points and clarify what I already said. If you have any cable request just let me know here
for some reason on the PS2 to my eyes the S video looked much better than the Component rgb cables
So basically composite through a scart Adapter is still composite quality ? If yes my Retro Gaming is a lie
I have a question, are scart cables shielded by copper good?
Composite isn't that garbage, On my modded Wii it looks kinda bad on older games (8 Bit/16 Bit).
But on Virtual Console N64 games it actually looks decent!
I personally just buy the cheaper cables and just mod them, like swapping the shit caps with good low esr and add sheilding. I have a couple of the expensive one's too so I am able to compare. It works for me but I'm definitely not suggesting its for everyone
How would a pal GameCube look on a 4k TV using a scart RGB cable, my TV has a RGB scart connection and was wondering how it would look
I have a TV that has a VGA port but no SCART. Could I buy an adapter that turns SCART into VGA and it would still be the same quality?
Hey, just hooked up plain old snes on my hdtv last night been quite a while and all these videos are very motivating so yeh i just had to but as u say looks highly pixellated and just crap. Im Using only my trusty old composite cable so was wondering how u would typically upgrade this video output yourself, a quick fix and maybe what i should buy, as im after a fairly optimum level of quality?
The SNES outputs RGB video right out of the multi-connector on the back. The composite video cable you have will never look good no matter what you try. You'll definitely need to move to an RGB cable and an external upscaler such as the XRGB Framemeister. It's not cheap, but it's the best - amzn.to/2eyLcop
thunderhawk11 You can but it will still look terrible on your Tv as all that's doing is converting analog Composite video into Digital. There's no quick and cheap solution.
Thats great advice bud you saved me time and money as i thought this would honestly help
I have one problem I have one TV that have 2 scart connector 1 Svideo and one 1 DVI ports and this a old flat TV 📺
I want to use this in the order to create my own arcade with old Tower computer the problem is that wean I use the DVI cable the don't have audio from the TV and I have tried to connect and because I want to have both imagine and sound for the tv I have converter for HDMI to AV and I have done this
HDMI > AV > scart
However wail the audio is fine for some reason the image quality is terrible it's pasble to be because in the scart the are missing some pins ?
And no this flat TV dasn't have HDMI and I have not find eny way to add the sound for scart slot and the image for the DVI you know I way to do I will be apisate
hi nice video, i need some help bought from ebay sega genesis and master system 1 with no tv cable included. problem is its french secam version i want to hook it up to an old pal tv or my normal led tv, what can i use to hook it up? as some people say i need a rgb cables other say it want work with composite quite confused here?
With a PS2, would a SCART with RGB be better than a component video signal?
Matthew Kinney no he is talking shit
Component is the absolute best
Interesting comment. I noticed that too. As far as I know, the order from S-Video on should be: S-Video, SCART, VGA, Component and so on. On a Dreamcast, if you use SCART and VGA you'll get the same quality level. VGA will have a brighter image compared to SCART and that's all. Component cables are excellent! Check it out the differences on UA-cam. Regardless, Global Garage did an amazing job by simplifying and being straightforward in this video. Congrats, thanks for the video and cables links for purchasing!
Matthew Kinney
Yes and no,, Scart is better than component always.. the difference on the ps2 is that there are some games that prefer the component over the scart for specific rendering images. but most of the games look better on the scart than component. when you use component the console has to do more mathematical equations to send the right color signals. With the RGB is a direct signal.
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Scart is best over component.. RGB Scart is a direct signal. Component has to be calibrated by the console to display the right picture and color. Every retro gamer knows Scart and VGA are better than component. you must be a rookie.
Mário Messias the dremcast dosent take scart.. it only displays VGA.. And yes Scart is better than component.
How can I tell if my scart cable is RGB and if it's euro or Japanese?
herohunter81 The only difference between Euro SCART and JP21 is the internal wiring and pinout. There's a really good article here from retro gaming cables www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/euroscart-versus-jp21?tracking=566ea08ca2b69
SCART: RGB's French cousin.
composite looked ok on a CRT because CRT works by refreshing left to right and line to line downwards so it had the time to receive the signal from the RF or composite pin and didnt look too bad for the time we was used too ,of course on digital Tvs yes utter shiteee
i was wondering if i can use a snes multi out cable, cut the "nose" so that it fits in the french RGB nes. would it work?
Would S-Video Look good for PS2 games on a Sony Trinitron KV-27S42? I do have Component cables that I use for my PS2 on my HDTV but it only looks good on occasion. Most games look super jagged with it. Also Is it possible to convert a composite signal into a component or am I better off just using S-Video for my PS2?
S-Video is ok, but your Component should be the best.
Informative video! I got a problem though. I have a PAL N64 that has been RGB modded. I also have a matching scart cable (luma sync) that I got from the company that modded the console.
I hooked it up via my Onkyo receiver (I use a projector not a TV). But since I don't have a scart input on my receiver I use a scart to HDMI converter. The picture I shit. It is actually better when I use my modded S-video cable directly in to the Onkyo. Could it be the converter? Would really appreciate some help from a pro.
Thanks
Alex
Sweden
It's hard for me to say with any certainty what your issue is. Have you checked RGB SCART on a CRT TV? That's a good first step to ensure the mod work was done properly and the cable is working as it should. Supposing that's all correct, then your HDMI upscaler should look amazing. You need to test each component separately. The RGB Mod, the cable, the sync in the cable, the upscaler. I suspect your upscaler is no good.
So what would be the best way to play a PS2 on a 4k tv ?
nice job but... more pins isn't always better.. for example a RGB scart cable cannot run 480p yet component despite R+G+B+sync being in 3 RCA jacks, it can do 480p and up to 1080i. HDMI even though its digital is also a good example of this though your missing Display port which can go up to 8K@60hx - maybe more and unlike HDMI has more pins i admit and a locking mechanism. still a great video for people trying to get into better quality connections though! :)
toon man I know what you mean and yes Component YPbPr supports very high resolutions. The point I make is that separating the signal into discreet parts always yields a better result. I prefer RGB for retro 240P as the signal was available on nearly all consoles whereas Component wasn't. Moving on in the generations like PS2 and Xbox saw Component take over and support 480P etc. HDMI and Display port are digital, so they use serial data transfer so that's an entirely different topic.
Global Garage well its based on what tech there using at the time, for example a Dreamcast looks great in SCART but 480p on VGA looks better. Which I believeVGA is less pins than SCART but VGA was used later in the analog format thus revisions and changes of the old technology could be made. Pins theoretically mean better picture but its based on what the console supports and a majority of the time more pins is better but it depends.
toon man Yep don't take the point as "more pins is better" as that's not what I'm saying. Composite video over one pin is inferior to eg Component as the video is separated. It's purely about the separation of signals from the video encoder chip to the Tv. VGA does look stunning on the Dreamcast! That uses separate RGB and HV Sync.
Not true "RGB scart cable cannot run 480p". RGB scart can do Sync on green 480p. You can use Sync on green PS2 and modded original Xbox but there are not many TV that supports it. PS2 almost 220 games support 480p and Xbox have almost 370 games support 480p.
Wow just the first two I know you got completely wrong...
VGA has can go up to 1080p (or a bit more with higher end equip)
DVI standard also includes analog cables which are easily convertable to VGA.
BMicraft No I don't believe VGA can go past 480P on the Dreamcast. If you mean the standard itself, then yes of course but that wasn't the topic of this video.
Global Garage Then how does the title not even mention the Dreamcast? That is kind of misleading...
Also I can't remember you explicitly saying that it was about the Dreamcast (but I could be wrong here)
BMicraft No, not Dreamcast specific. The video was on the cable types and video available from each for retro consoles and NOT the standard itself. I thought that was clear but I'll need to make a follow up video.
Wow I thought I posted this for a moment then I realised it was someone else, phew
I love how people think they are smarter by pointing out small things, He was clear with the video and you are just being a wanker.
Luckily I have an older 2006 LCD that has 1 each of these inputs LOL!
May be a stupid question, but are all SCART inputs RGB?
Do you mean on the back of a tv? Good question. No they’re not, some are only composite video inputs. Usually European TVs have two scart sockets with one enabled for RGB
@@GlobalGarageAus Yes, on the back of TVs. I found a Telefunken MA115GT (German CRT) here in Norway on a marketplace. It has only one SCART input, but I can't find out if it's RGB or not. It also has a composite input in the front.
@@Magnetar83 I’d say it’s RGB. Just plug in a decent RGB cable and test it. Buy from here www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/?tracking=566ea08ca2b69
My retro tv broke. I'm using a 4k tv but it only has composite/AV, component and hdmi ports. Should I try and buy another tv with a scart port or is component good enough?
Just buy a scart hdmi converter box ~10-25$ depending on quality
My tv has two scart inputs, a component and a composite
What is the difference in image quality between RGB SCART and Component?
When all factors are equal, there's very little difference at all. The reason most of the retro gaming community prefers RGB is that most of the old consoles output RGB directly from their internal chips and all that's required is a cable to access it. RGB is just red, green and blue all separated out cleanly. Component video is not found on early consoles and requires a conversion to make it work. This is how the HD Retrovision cables work.
Ironically, quality of digital cables is becoming a thing (like it used to be with analog cables). As we get to pushing 4K60, then 4K120, then eventually looking at 8K... we need higher and higher bandwidths. So, the old idea of "any HDMI cable will do" is no longer true.
Nobody needs 8K on a TV because you can't see the difference in quality unless it is like 4 meters wide and you're sitting only 30cm from the screen (in which case you can't see the whole picture anymore)
Is there a way to use RGB Scart on a TV that only has component inputs? (for mega drive and master system)
Yes, check out the adapter cables from HD Retrovision. They simply take the RGB from the console and convert it inside their cables to Component.
Quite surprised the N64 does not work with scart or S video I’m PAL.
The PAL N64 doesn't have RGB without a basic mod, but it does have S-Video. You just need the PAL cable and not an NTSC one as they are different. Buy the S-Video one here consolegoods.co.uk/
Global Garage Okay thanks for the info
n64 was built for budget and power itll cost Nintendo more to use rgb output ,eve nthe megadrive supported RGB native better
@@GlobalGarageAus S-Video and scart which one better？
What's the music at the beginning?
It’s homemade
So I can just get any scart cable that fits my mega drive (C or V pin connector to scart?) and it will be RGB right? It doesn't *have* to be one of those expensive handmade ones? I need one because with the 60hz mod on my mega drive I get black and white image via RF.
The cheap cables typically found on eBay will buzz and have audio noise for sure. They can also have interference in the video. In my opinion it's just not worth buying a $3 cheap one when the real deal from Retro Gaming Cables is only a bit more. You also need the "U" shaped 262 degree DIN for SEGA consoles. The other "C" type is only used on Neo Geo AES.
@@GlobalGarageAus I ordered one for 17euro's from a Dutch site, I just wasn't gonna spend over 30euro's on a cable :/ I'm used to shitty rf quality anyway, if it's really too shitty I'll just return it
@@GlobalGarageAus as long as I can play sonic at full speed in colour I'll be a happy camper lol
haha sounds good!
I want to add what I know so far:
- RF is clearly the worst connector ever; along with very lossy video quality and jammed mono sound, you have to switch to the right channel. You may understand why the AVGN went to composite on all his 80's consoles
- composite was good with black & white displays but then colors were added... at least the audio channels are separated. Unfortunately composite was the best video signal for most consoles of the 80's
- S-video was not so common in the US, and nearly unknown in Europe; the video quality is nearly as good as RGB and the best quality available for north american customers until Dreamcast (VGA) and PS2/GC/XBOX shown up
**unfinished comments**
Do you recommend VGA over scart for the Dreamcast?
Jason V No definitely not as VGA supports a higher resolution and looks amazing.
@@GlobalGarageAus So I should get VGA then? Any particular brand of cable that you recommend? I just started collecting for the system and I would have to say it's already becoming one of my favorites.
So does the European scart cable make the games look better than the Japanese scart cable?
herohunter81 No, they both use RGB. Euro SCART is just more common
SCART is just a connection type, it has nothing to do with quality ,SCART can be composite component or RGB , itd just an connection from the source to connect to the display
Did Europeans actually use RGB scart in 80s and 90s when retro consoles were state of the art? I know the TVs often had scart inputs, but when did they start being RGB capable? I have zero concept.
Normal ~28" living room tv = Two scart inputs where at least one of them does RGB. EDIT: Also NTSC and PAL60 support, most likely
Shitty little tv for the kids or something = One scart input that only does composite.
Connecting anything other than RF or scart? lol, what are you smoking?!
I don't think much anyone thought about RGB though since consoles only came with composite. Can't really comment on 80's stuff though but they look the same externally. Born 91.
Dreamcast may very well be the only one bundled with an RGB scart cable which is what opened my eyes to it (in 2012 :P). Having been a Nintendo kid I was like "WHOAH SEGA! THAT'S SHARPER THAN REAL LIFE"
I think most of common TVs and VHS players had only component scart because I remember it looked terrible with scart and it was mostly better with yellow component video cinch. Most of people had cheap products and most of them even didn't know there is something like RGB scart. And mostly in 90s when you had piciture you was glad it works, nobody was experimenting with that much, they just used what they had at home (mostly some random scart). I preffered yellow cinch, I had many problems with scarts with ghosts and connector was holding very bad in tv so you had to constantly going there to fix it, I hated that, many people had it somehow fixed by duct tape to keep that in place, that was very common. Maybe Americans are lucky that they didn't have scart. :-)
Component cables have a built in ground too. I'd like to see the actual quality difference between the SCART and RCA cables. Technically they should be the same. SCART just appears to have greater convenience.
Hell, most retro games were programmed with composite in mind and will suffer from RGB/SCART.
*COMPOSITE IMAGE:*
+ More Colors
+ Transparency Effects
+ Smooth Color Gradation
+ Anti-Aliasing
+ Dithering
- Soft Image
- Chromatic Aberrations
*COMPONENT IMAGE:*
+ Sharper
+ Brighter
+ More Vibrant
- Less Colors
- Blocky Pixels
- Bright Spots
- Checkerboarding
You also have to consider if you're using an LCD or a CRT.
Retro Games were designed for a CRT.
LCDs can not display retro games properly.
please publish music!!!
Informative, if a little condescending! lol
Guy P Yep, it was but there's no excuse for using RF or Composite these days. :P
Condescending because people talk out of their ass instead of doing research and they misinform the world.
If you only option is RF, just get an older televison, I got an 1988 model Bang Olufsen TV, RF is great, looks better than the hd capable NES classic for trained eyes. Play this things on the tech they was designed to do
You made a really bad analogy at 3:30 as listening to a vinyl record vs a digital audio file, the vinyl in the right gear will ALWAYS sound better and warmer and cleaner than the digital audio file. Not the best choice of words.
I think I said Gramophone... but I had Phonograph in mind with poor tinny sound. I see your point though. You sounds like an audio buff, so I wont provoke you. :P
Enchurito you may always prefer the analog recording but it is not always technically superior. You're arguing that your opinion is better than others opinions not that the signal source is technically superior.
lmao @ scratchy records sounds better than digital !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So which is best? RGBS/RGBHV/RGsB? Don't go around telling people to use component because 99% of component cables are YPbPr, which is shit compared to RGB.
Then we have to ask what connector is best? RCA/SCART/D-SUB/BNC?
And lastly, what is the best length and wire shielding?
Realistically the PS2, Dreamcast and original Xbox are the only three analog consoles worth the hassle for. The Wii and NGC have emulation and the WII U's HDMI. The N64 has a direct to digital HDMI mod. The PS1 has a near cycle perfect emulator, as does the Saturn and the SNES. The others tend to have better emulation per output connector quality at the moment and can't be changed apart from hardware mods.
So the three questions above could be answered for the three consoles above with testing.
It's hard to say which RGB standard is "best" but I'd say RGBHV and the horizontal and Vertical sync signals are also separated. It's basically the same as VGA. Component YPbPr is OK if that's what you've got. Which connector is best? That's a tough one, but I'd say BNC for analogue video. I know what you're saying about the older consoles being perfectly emulated so why bother, but there's something nice about playing on a real console in RGB, without conversion to another format and on a CRT. It's got its flaws but damn it's nostalgic.
I agree. If I was to choose a standard it would be RGBHV over BNC. What I mean by best after all is the highest quality signal with least noise, lets hope that direct digital video data tapping like they have for the N64 spreads to other consoles. As for having the old hookup, I agree, it is nostalgic. But what is the likelihood of someone being able to get their hands on a decent CRT these days? after all its not like Sony is going to open source their PVM designs, or fire up a production line of PVM's to sell to retro gamers. So for emulation, I actually find running the CRT-Royale shader to be near enough the best of both worlds for well-emulated consoles, purely digital cycle-accurate PVM quality CRT goodness without the price tag.
Nobody knows what they’re talking about but you of course. Kinda like i’m the only dude for that hot chick down the street because everyone else is terrible but me. 🥰🥰🥰
Not at all, just some people aren't aware of the amazing options that are now available for retro consoles, like the RAD2X HDMI cables over at www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/RAD2X-CABLES?tracking=566ea08ca2b69
LCD is garbage for retro gaming. Even playing on an old CRT TV with S-Video is superior to playing on an LCD with RGB Scart and upscalers. At least there won't be any motion blur, input delay and the blacks will look black.
Yes, I'd have to agree about LCD in general. I love my old CRT as it has RGB SCART inputs so it looks amazing, but I realise this was only available in Europe and Australia mainly. For USA people, I think a modern upscaler like the Framemeister Mini with RGB actually does a really good job and is certainly an option for those that only have the space for a flat screen LCD/LED/PLASMA/OLED TV.
An OLED running a SNES emulator with crt-Royale would make a show of almost every CRT possible. Larger screen size, better blacks, BVM quality output, cycle perfect digital output.
You could (probably) have explained all this in 10 minutes o less. So redundant. I do not need to hear the same thing 3-4-5 times. Move on to the next item. I had to play it 1.5x to make it bearable.
Why just not connect and show. Instead of it almost half an hour bla bla.
You really have no idea about audio freaks.
Michaelblog456 How so? Nearly all these cables have the same analog audio.
Its more towards how you said an MP3 is better then an old record.
Michaelblog456 A few people have commented on that, but what I said was Gramophone which is circa 1887, not the modern record player. Very different things,
but I do agree with you about the warm tone from vinyl.
I've had some people jump down my throat about using stranded RCA audio leads, that and with the ageing PS2 or PS3 some have a optical output is also an option, if you can or want to convert it.
So hence the audio freak comment.
vinyl is NOT better than even the shittest mp3 compression stop being a hipster and tune in to reality fm
I love all except that Limey Scart it is a piece of shit
I still use RF with my PS1