Generational shift? Gaza war campus protests spread across United States • FRANCE 24 English
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2024
- The expression went viral in the 1960s: generation gap. Those in power had fought in World War II and were shocked to see college students in the US rebel against the call to serve their country and go to war. How much has the current movement on college campuses exposed a new generation gap? Will the consequences be as far-reaching? For the first time since the Vietnam War, Columbia University invited in police to break up a pro-Palestinian encampment. That has since sparked sit-in protests across the US.
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Free America From AIPAC
Oh yeah! The country with 800 military bases around the world and heads the largest military alliance in the world NATO, that controls the world financial system with IMF and World Bank, has the US Dollar as the world reserve currency, that controls the UN and has threatened even ICJ, A country which has waged war and sanctioned most countries in the world, is controlled by a tiny Middle Eastern country with a lobby.
Get your head together USA is not a victim.
and adl
“Zionism has eroded US democracy to the point of becoming a dictatorship.”
Don’t make this a ‘generational’ thing, it is as simple as people becoming informed and being willing standing up for what’s right.
I'm 81 years old and I was out there the first week in November.
Unfortunately "people becoming informed and being willing standing up for what’s right" - is a generational thing. People who are older have spent their lives being told anything Israel does is justified, and they now don't want to change what they believe. Yes there are some older people who agree with the younger people but in general they don't want to change.
Well...the students protesting are the ones paying for the bombs. The generation in charge can't afford them.
You are wrong Annette. These are some of the most intelligent people in the world, who are students at the best schools in the world. They understand exactely what is taking place.
Not the brightest nor the best universities anymore as they have all gone down the toilets along with the sheeple that will not be hired anywhere. All their parents threw the money into the ocean!! 🌊🤣🤣🤣
Only some students are smarts. But most of them are relatives of rich families or relatives of corrupt government in autocratic countries. Even the Palestinian government (who get aids from the Western countries) but takes a part of aids to pay for the American universities to let their relatives study there. Qatar who support Hamas pay the most to the American universities.
Free America from Israel.
These are the dumbest smartest people in the world, they are ignorant of the realities of war as they've been raised to have tantrum attacks for not addressing them by their preferred pronouns
Exactly
It’s naive to think that American students don’t know much about what’s going on in the world. In general there are many more students deeply engaged in world news and politics than in the past. If you study government, politics, sociology, philosophy, or many other subjects you learn to pay a lot of attention to the news in/from other countries as well as our own in order to be better informed. The majority of these protestors are not victims of propaganda and there have been many anti-Israel protests coordinated by groups of Jewish students as well. The fact that the U.N. and I.C.C. see problems with Israel’s conduct should tell you that the protests are not just extremism or “wokeness”.
Yeah as a South Korean whose parents and their parents fought against occupation of Japanese empire and dictatorship, I’m positive to the students protests. They’re the major voice of change for the better. If not for the students i would be living in a non democratic country
Totally
All free citizens of the U.S.A. have the right to peaceable assembly and to petition for the redress of wrongs. Of course, there are indeed limits imposed upon that and rightfully so.
@@bluecoffee8414 do you think cutting off water, communication, food, medicine, etc of an entire region where half of the population is 1 million children is a violation of international law?
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Tens of thousands of openly Palestinian women & children are openly dead. Don’t talk about Jews being openly scared.
YES we will coz JEWS aren't ISRAELI...
There is no excuse for anything you say. And the support you get from socialists will never spread anywhere else. All sensible and educated people reject every single line of propaganda rhetoric you table. Because its flat out wrong. Historically, currently, and in no way shape or form addresses the abhorrent values of islam. I’ve seen what they teach children. You have yet to evolve in the slightest. Your entire belief system lost the debate of ideas long ago, you’re too dense to notice of course. You always were. You side with barbarity and flat out evil. You’ll never once even see the damage you advocate for. Because it will be defined otherwise for you. And you’ll absorb it unquestioningly. You know absolutely nothing about the world. Period
The University Student Protests are about Free Speech
Yes, you should. Not all Jews support what is happening and it is western antisemitism that has pushed most of the immigrants into Israel. You being antisemitic is causing the problem to become worse for Palestinians.
@@contact594fake Jews then😂
According to at least three human rights organizations and a report published by the United Nations, Israel is an apartheid state. Please talk about these reports.
You are right. But as a USAID worker, I live in perpetual amazement how the people obsessed with Palestine never spend more than 2 minutes thought on several equally horrifying wars and oppressions raging on. The slaughtering of 50,000 christians by muslim fanatics in West Africa. Sudan. Ethiopia etc.
The only coherent answer I ever get is that "Well we Americans fund and arm Israel." Good point but that's AMERICANS. Here in Sweden we don't send squat in aid to Israel. No AIPAC. No politicians screaming for Palestinian blood. Yet Swedish media and activists are just as lopsidedly obsessed with this one conflict.
If the Israel/Palestine conflict is your jam then great. But it's the smugness of "look how amazing I am for caring about the world." Nah brah you cherry pick your "care" worse than almost anyone.
A quick primer for dumbass Americans who know nothing about any other current conflict:
1. you could take a gander at Sudan, where Arab muslim militias have murdered 232,000 black non Muslims since 2011, with 8 MILLION refugees.
Go to X look up Sudan videos. You'll see the same amputee children, the same crying mothers, the same civilians being beaten, the same mass-graves. Crowds cheering and screaming in delight at the slaughter.
2. Or Boko Haram in Nigeria/West Africa. Let me quote Human Rights Watch: "UNICEF, human rights groups, and the media have documented the WIDESPREAD forced recruitment of children and their use as (*slewy slide*) bombers by Boko Haram in the Lake Chad basin, including in Cameroon, since 2015."
The massacre of Christians in W. Africa. has reached 40-50,000. the EU has designated it a "genocide"
3. In other news, Pakistan is ethnically cleansing 1.7 million Afghans from Pakistan as we speak.
4. Don't get me started on Ethiopia.
There's a whole world out there.
its not apartheid its more complex
@@derpeth2101 it's absolutely not apartheid it's something else I don't want to talk about
@@terranowa2080It is an apartheid state.... Saying this from South Africa.
It is actually worse...... if SA apartheid was level 1, this is almost level 10
@@EdmondLups it's nothing to do with apartheid I know that for sure.
Stop genocide in Gaza 😢
God Bless Noelle McAfee, Professor and Chair of the philosophy Department
These students are the most moral students in the US that stands against occupation and injustices in the world.
One of the ironies of these protests is that some of these campus police goons have been trained by the IDF.
"Israel is a settler colonial
project that is nearing its end,as colonial projects reach their final phase become more brutal and ruthless." - llan Pappe
Keep it up students!
It’s your future.
And your right to protest 🪧
Much respect to Ms. Mc Afee
So proud of these students!! Im excited to see our future!
I want Israel (and Palestine) to survive and thrive. But I also fully support the right to protest. The pro Israel side looks terrible trying to shut these down. And given that many of our top politicians have said HORIFFIC yhings like "turn Gaza into a parking lot" "flatten Gaza" etc., you really can't complain about 'scary' 'offensive' speech.
people are seeing clearly that it’s not about Hamas but rather the Palestine land look at what Israel doing to the West Bank and tell me if it’s about Hamas?
There's no war in the west bank. There's settler colonialism.
great point
It is about Hamas. Remember the hostages? No?
@@roadtosomewhere6125 Israel is keeping thousands of Palestinian hostages in its prisons without charge.
Aaron Bushnell and Max Azzrello are American conscience!
they are both inspiring usa college students!
Wonderful conversation. Wish we had real ones in our corporately owned media here in the US.
Cops off campus
Premier Christian News
4/29/24
"The Archbishop of Canterbury has said he is "deeply concerned" over the arrest of a young Palestinian Christian woman in the West Bank.
24-year-old Layan Nasir was taken from her home by soldiers earlier this month and is now facing detention for four months without charge.
Most Rev Justin Welby told Sky News her plight is a breach of assurances made by Israel about the treatment of Christians in the region.
"[I am] deeply concerned to learn that she is now facing administrative detention for four months, without charge and with no due process for her, her family or lawyers to challenge this. ...
Under administrative detention, people can be held for four months and which can be renewed every four months for up to two years.
Fr Fadi believes it is a sad indictment: "I think the British need to repent for that and pressure the Israelis, because administrative detention in particular is against international law. ..."
The world stands with PALESTINE. Most countries officially recognise the state of Palestine, and if the US hadnt vetoed that vote at the UN last week, the world would have voted to create that state.
Can't create it without Israel allowing it, it's meaningless garbage.
No it doesn't come on
@thegracienetwork7847 Did you just completely ignore the second part of mt comment? I think you'll find that most of the humans on this planet do not live in America and Europe and do NOT share the same views
@@thegracienetwork7847😂😂😂 cero arguments, 100% bitterness
@bratwurstmitbiryani it's not about religion. Palestinians fought against the British colonisers and the Ottoman Empire too.
All over USA Police Depts are struggling to find recruits younger than 30 years old... They can't figure out why🤣
Thank you for your humanity, Prof Noelle McAfee!!!
Sweet conservative gramma: American students don't know enough.
American students: Stand with Gaza on the right side of history.
Robert Kraft owner of the New England Patriots is Columbia's biggest donor, why not protest the Patriots facility and games in the fall? It's the donors that are calling for police crackdowns.
Excellent point!
Because you put pressure where you have a stake.... New England fans and employees can protest there. Students have a stake and an ability to pressure their universities and they are putting pressure there.
Just like how it doesn't matter to the US government how often in Iran the population protests in support of Palestine but it mattersto the US government if the US population protests infront of government offices and disrupts government operations in support of Palestine.
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@@EdmondLupsthe guy who cheated his way to winning super bowls supports arresting students? color me surprised lol
Robert Kraft isn't genociding anybody. Nice whataboutism.
While pro Israel students are talking about probable anti-semitism, there are Palestinian students who have been attacked by skunk water, shot by racists over the past few months. Why are you guys not talking about Islamophobia in the USA
Read a 1995 tax treaty between the US and Israel. The US government gives some generous tax exemptions to Israeli corporations in the US, while both governments are getting money from the American taxpayers. American citizens will always come last. Keep sending your hard-earned money abroad, to politicians and war contractors, while some citizens still need foodstamps.
Meanwhile they are spying, stealing, conspiring against us.
I'd like to further confirm that Philosopher, Professor and Chair Noëlle McAfee's views are not leftist in the US. She represents the mainstream Christian majority view on this matter. The view is not spoken clearly before. It is socially and politically ok to compare 3K with IDF in the US.
McAfee is most certainly an extreme leftist. She's specialized in Critical Theory 'of the Frankfurt school'according to her own bio. That is about as nutcase as it gets.
The French woman was certainly clueless. Every time she opened her mouth, she inserted her foot.
Young People are more informed than the lady in red is saying
Lovely show, thank u very much francois and france 24. super happy the debate is back with francois
I love Francois, been watching him for years now, my husband is a bit jealous of him too😃
One says is not here to debate the issue and would rather talk free speech rather than apartheid Israel, but is interested enough to see if they condemn hamas in October... another Israel spox is here to spout nonsense and say it's complicated ... Respect to the arrested teacher
Just listen to the npr news about the Kent state its the exact same accusations..This is different from then. Back then they didn't want to be fored to fight. This Jewish college are leading them, plus a joint Palestinian college and others. By international law we all must stand up against the gen ocide.
Man Yascha is one of those dudes who is just so good at talking without saying anything.
Gteat movement ..
World needs its humanity back roght nowwwww
Never before had the police been able to dismantle a tent so quickly.
They can also help dismantle tents on the streets.
Yes.
Please compare the student demonstrations in the SA going on now and those that took place in Hong Kong in 2019. The hypocrites in American govt and media are really rotten to the core!
Well done ,balanced approach with rational discussions
Nope! We're old Hippies and Flower Children. Peace, Luv and Freedom! No Gap
Do ya think they heard rhis centurys Anti-slavery vote?
There is No students spokperson or Palestinian on the french TV. Plateau as usual as it happens in France.
College Walk of Columbia University is a part of West 116th street of Manhattan's Morningside Heights neighborhood. It's a *public passageway* (maybe something like an easement) although it's probably still owned privately as evidenced by the presence of the gates.
The City of New York has responsibility to avoid College Walk not be blocked so having NYPD police on College Walk is entirely reasonable. Additionally, the university can call for NYPD's assistance on its private property areas because it's in the jurisdiction of the City of New York.
That woman is so old she can't remember her name and wanna tell us we don't know anything lol
Annette has no idea what shes talking about here. College students have access to plenty of access to clear information about whats going on and have made an informed choice.
The people at these protests are such a small minority of the humans in the United States.
Tiananmen Square style incident coming soon to American campuses?
NOPE this isn't china dude
@@timdow8951Serves you right for instigating separists in Chinese provinces, damn right China is surpassing America in 2030 as predicted... No bloody Taiwan proxy war will save you from being second rate, the world is tired of this hypocrite country, USSR fell 30 years later USA declines rapidly
@@timdow8951Tiananmen, good reference.
@@timdow8951so, if sth is not literally 100% the same you can't make a justified comparison, dude? It's not China, we got it. Not more ridiculous than calling the USA a land of free and leading democracy.
Couldn't agree more
old french lady never heard of intersectionality
The occupier can’t complain about the resistance
Ach... "microagresssion" - "emotional reaction"....why do you call up people who have no idea what they are talking about? This table is ridiculous!
If a protest to stop war crimes through divestment is emotional, is it less rational than if it is not emotional? Is it hypocricy if people who offend LGBTQAI+ people are asked to respect their peers and if protesters against war crimes are not? How legitimate is it if a person feels "offended" if the executive force of their state is accused of committing war crimes? Are they working for the army? Are they working for the intelligence? Please! This is ridiculous!
What is a mauslum?
LOL, back in the 60’s and 70’s, many older Americans referred to Muslims as Moslims. Just like some said I-talian with a hard long I emphasizing the first syllable.
Annette Levy-Willard seems to be out of her depth or using a tactic in this discussion. Rather than analysing the points brought up, she repeatedly states she is unable to compare them to the current situation. She is somewhere on the spectrum of being out of her analytical depth and consciously employing this poised tactic to dismiss in order to manipulate the public towards her narrative.
I haven't seen anyone attacked except by police
Send in the National Guard and the Marines
Same treatment as the Cop City protestors. Police state getting scarier and scarier.
This old woman in red talks BS ...
Of course she’s from the Philosophy department
Why you don’t invite Labanese or Syrians or Iranians giving their perspective?
Where this blonde lady wearing red comes from? I cannot understand her at all. So difficult accent.
She is French. She has a French accent.
wasnot Iran offerinc these "intellectuals" spots in their universities
I’m appalled by her treatment, but her saying “and then they came for the intellectuals” comes across so presumptuous and effete. Jesus, get a grip.
I literally LOLed. We're not the Nazis here
You do know the 1946 poem she is referencing, right?
Mandela was Hamas dont kid yourselves
Exactly, in fact magaret Thatcher proposed to apartheid South Africa govt to kill Mandela in jail. Mandela actually took the violent route to dislodge the SA govt.
Absolutely, Mandela was involved in the terrorist bombings in apartheid South Africa although he wasn't exactly a part of Hamas. They do similar things, though.
Dispose divest we will not sit we will not rest
Annette is lacking inter generational knowledge.😢I am just a little bit baffled that France 24 normally has great local journalists and academics so I am bit confused why Annette was the best option on the table for this panel. No one spoke about freedom of speech as a connector to the young generations feeling left out from the meritocracy process of having jobs without tuition supporting bellic events in the national level of governments, of trade and innovation, these are values that do not represent this young generation. This lady was just on the agenda to judge students are misinformed so no comparison, which is a fallacy. Guess what, this generation is the most informed generation than hers, because history moved on to be registered on books to digital environment, so critical thinking is not to be comparable to past generations on educational tools, but on common sense. And common sense in history is not to be found in the lounges of academic universities. The other speaker from Germany is an odd example of lounge academia. Now Annette argues that American students are not informed, so what does she make of French students at the prestigious university in Paris protesting on the streets and at the university? Are they desinformed too or just followers? Her argument is almost serious when you see that France has been involved in the Palestine question as a state long before all these protests and repression events took place and long before the assassination of Yasser Arafat. So that part of the French History, I would argue French students are well informed, therefore, they found something in common with the American students, that advocate for divest, which is another very cleverly crafted protest line around financing war. But no discussion of this topic either. Such an important debate deserves a top- notch French journalist in the panel. 😮
is yascha trying so hard to portray the movement as antisemite?
what a textbook example
I thought the lib was a lost cause, but these protests give me hope again.
it's so sad, that she is not a qualified teacher in such a famous and excellent uni. She is definitely full of hate in her heart instead of the truth and what is the basic moral as a human being. you have thousands of reasons to explain what HAMAS done, but what she does not understand is no reason that could allow you to change into an animal instead of a human being . so doubt if she exact knows what happened in Isrea on 7th Oct last year
Its more complicated so we shouldn't bother & let Isreal do whatever war crimes they want.
Her argued in nutshell.
What the young people have seen on TikTok they can not un-see now it will stick with them forever and that will manifest itself in how they view Zionism and how they vote forever..it’s to late the cat is out the bag..Israel cannot rely on impunity going forward into the future no longer..it’s been a long time coming people have finally woken up
Why are they wearing masks?
So they can remain anonymous.
😂😂😂 ... this is just so bad
What she is saying 😭🤦♂️
She is French and amazingly enough she has an accent. So many nasty comments about her here. Could you talk in French on an English Channel ?
Calling self an intellectual.. 🤭🤭😅😅😂
I know that there are certainly some intellectuals at Columbia University. My Dad was very respectful talking in a hushed tone to me in the *empty* hall of Columbia we had dropped in after our playing in nearby Riverside Park. "This is *Columbia University* " Yeah, he was awestruck. 😂
For that intergenerational span of stance against apartheid, I don't call it "a generation gap."
You know she is referencing the 1946 poem called First They Come, right?
It's understandable. It's the phase in one's life when one is the most ideolog.
They don't understand the full history and have zero life experience. Not to mention that many participants go in the crowd current.
You obviously don’t understand full history
@@majedtaleb3944 you just made my point.
Have a great day.
Or they haven’t become cynics that sit and do nothing but criticize those that stand up for what they believe in, you know, like you😊
@@sihr07 Yep! That is exactly what it is. Many others do not even move on from that ideological phase and that is in itself honorable and romantic.
It is also useless. But since they aren't aware of it, one can't really blame them.
@@majedtaleb3944 You see? You already established a suggestion as a fact!
That atitude (besides the hate that exists between those two people) is at the very core of why they can't get it together and certainly is the core reason most kids are protesting.
Can these kids please stop the over annunciation of the word Gaza, it sounds stupid.
Supporting Hamas and their actions is not at all progressive..
Idk what polls Yascha Mounk is looking at but it's clear he hasn't been to the US in years.
In no way are young people "moderate" compared to older generations.
Literally 81% of Young Americans oppose Israeli's Slaughter and Occupation.
Lmao. This guy is so unaware.
I also live on the border actually .5 miles from it and Young Americans biggest concern isn't immigration nor are we voting for Republicans.
The issue is we have two parties controlled by the rich who don't represent us.
Also Annette is so clueless.
Sacre bleu!!
The students are genuinely bringing hope of a bright future for the human race.
🇺🇦🐾🦘🐨🦘🐾🇵🇸
OH REALLY ??? Most of them will marry, have kids and worry about the high cost of living.