God is referenced in every state preamble and the bible is acknowledged as being the word of God in Public Law 97-280, it may not promote the advancement of any particular religion but it certainly was founded on Christianity.
@@itsjustme6632 The constitution is a contract between the people of the united states of america and their subcontractors,, Christianity inspired the law and men made a grievous mistake by making this contract. Exodus 23:32-33 "make no covenent with their gods, dont let them live in your land"
@@existension9174 Why should I care what the Bible says. And who are the subcontractors? The U.S. is the first nation to determine that they will self-rule. No kings or gods needed.
@@itsjustme6632 not trying to but into your conversation between you two discussing this, and I must preface this by saying I don’t mean to cause a fight or mean any disrespect here. Nobody is saying that you are anyone else in Oklahoma has to subscribe to Christianity if they don’t want to, but the kids should at least know about the history of our country and how many biblical ideas have been used to inspire the founding of the country. If you look at our money it says In god we trust. There are many other examples such as in the Supreme Court has the Ten Commandments. Again, so I’m clear, nobody is forcing anyone to believe in a specific religion (in this case Judeo-Christian beliefs) from the Bible but it’s more about focusing on how the Bible helped shape the United States from a historical perspective during its origins. If you don’t want to read or believe in the Bible that is your choice of the individual.
I remember when they funded schools and taught kids things like, home economics, wood work, metal work, and finances. Things that they actually need. Now they take away the funding and don't even want to feed them.
I’m lucky to go to Minnesota public schools where we are well funded. We had a whole news room with professional technology to produce a school news show for example. It was great.
Hey superintendent: It is not clear. You are using this as a loop hole to integrate religion into the PUBLIC SCHOOL classroom. If a history teacher (I would like to know who they are) really needs to do a bible study to talk about the letters of MLK JR then I am not sure they are teaching History, but religion. If a teacher really feels this is essential to instruction of history, then have parents sign a signature allowing for such a discussion to occur. Again - this is a loop hole for you to incorporate religion into the classroom. As an educator this makes NO SENSE and shame on you, superintendent. shame.on.you!
Hey jack.. what right did you ungodly have to demand that we take the Bible out of the schools? Lack of education about the Constitution is the reason why you got that attitude. Children that go to public schools have every right to have a Bible and to teach Bible in any school because of the Constitution.
I don't want a teacher teaching my child about a book that contains scenes involving incest, fratricide, mass murder of children , along with dozens of stories depicting violence towards women.
I don't think these people even read their book, and if they do, they don't comprehend the words. It is disgusting and should not be in the hands of a child.
He seems less interested in a general education for students, and more interested in indoctrinating kids into right wing politics and his chosen religion.
I want to start off by saying that I am a Republican. This is not OK. I am a Republican with no religious affiliation. Telling people what religion to support or to not support any at all is not OK. I grew up in the state of Alabama. I graduated high school recently. We were able to be successfully taught history and about all of the various religions without having a physical copy of the Bible, the 10 Commandments, the Quran, the Torah, or any other religious text actually present. This is political and this is indoctrination. It’s not OK.
@@Wolfcamp555 the issue is that everyone has the right to choose their own religion. Children are impressionable on literally anything. It is not a publicly funded schools job to provide texts of one religious text and not another. There is not enough time in school to explain the full text of every different religions text. We have a separation of church and state. You can teach morality without teaching religion.
@@gracielynn9623 the issue is society has tried it that way for 60+ years and it failed. Nah, it's time to move on from that. Conservatism will take over now. Liberalism has been relieved of duty.
@@Wolfcamp555 i’m not a liberal and I do not support liberalism. It’s not OK. What about the Buddhist, the Hindus, the Jews, the protestants, all the other people that attend our public schools? This is not a religious country. This is a free country. We cannot force and should not force religion on children. That is a personal decision for your family. I am assuming that you are Christian. Your family chose to be Christian. How would it make you feel if the school was forcing you to be Jewish? That is what putting these Bibles in these classrooms would be doing.
@@gracielynn9623 no, I'm an infedel. In God We Trust is the National Motto whether you or I like it or not. "God" only applies to religions that worship the God of Abraham. Only Judaism, Christianity, and Islam worships God. No other Gods before me means all other religions aren't allowed. Until that changes, so it will be.
@@danielgc1970 Christians have an answer for everything. Goes kind of something like this . Your friends been in a serious accident and passes away the response is : Oh well that was God's well you're in a better place. Your friend is in a serious accident, but survives the response is : See God's watching out for you.
@@Bugsy0333 I Peter 3:15: "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear" Jesus is the answer to everything.
Both my kids just graduated from high school in Oklahoma. Wow am I ever happy for that! My kids won't have to endure the shit show this is creating. I feel sorry for the teachers and school officials in our state right now. I would certainly have pulled my kids fro public school as I'm sure many parents will.
First person he mentions is Thomas Jefferson, who literally had a Bible that he cut out all of the references to anything supernatural in it. Then there is Ben Franklin: 'Lighthouses are more useful than churches.' A lot of the founders were trying to separate church and state and weren't a fan of the traditional church. There should be freedom of religion, but there should never be a state-sponsored religion. End of story. If his point is that he wants to reference the Bible in history with respect to how it influenced people, then he'd better be advocating for all of the quotes against the church from the founding fathers too. And highlight the Salem witch trials
Thomas Jefferson did create his own version of the Bible, (commonly known as the Jefferson Bible, officially titled "The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth." ) Contrary to the belief that he cut up the Bible to remove the supernatural, Jefferson's primary purpose was to distill the moral teachings of Jesus. He focused on the ethical and philosophical aspects of Jesus' teachings. Jefferson, a Deist, was interested in the moral philosophy of Jesus rather than the religious dogma or supernatural claims. He used this version for personal study and reflection, emphasizing the practical and moral instructions of Jesus as a guide for living a virtuous life. the bible is many different types of literature. history, biography, parable stories.
Get his ass out of that position. What are you thinking, Oklahoma? This guy is an idiot! We left to seek freedom from religion. It is part of our history.
Teach the good things that christians did, then also teach the dark side of christians, teach the words of Jesus. In the history of all the evil acts of Christianity and why they simply didn't ask themselves, what would Jesus do. Teach that.
The conspiratorial part of me thinks this is a way to make public schools so intolerable parents pull their kids out and put them in private and charter schools…also something the right wants.
I don't think the young guy knows what he is doing. If he have schools teach the bible there will be no teachers to teach and parents who is not religious will not let their kids go to school. The professor is right.
I’m a Christian and I’m totally against this. It’s the families responsibility to teach, not the schools. You really don’t know what they will end up learning. 🤷♀️
@@rensinclair4218I can’t wait to see Catholics and Baptists duking it out in the classroom over whether or not praying to Mary is idolatry. There are probably hundreds of denominations of Christianity in Oklahoma with their own beliefs about the Bible. You can’t train teachers to cater to all of them, therefore nobody’s beliefs are being honored. It’s all a load of BS, Walters doesn’t care about anything but advancing his career by appealing to the far right. He didn’t hold any of these opinions just a few years ago.
Anyone who is for this supports allowing public school teachers to indoctrinate their children. I am a Christian, but I do not want the Bible taught to my children by anyone other than me, my wife and my pastor. In my opinion, if someone supports this, they forfeit the right to complain about LGBTQ+ education in schools. Public schools should be about learning math, english, science etc. Any type of ideology should be left to the family, whether I agree with the ideology or not.
What kind of scholarship is Superintendent Walters promoting? He asks where did Jefferson come up with the phrase "endowed by our Creator." Seems the Superintendent is advocating pick & choose to defend your position. Does he not know it was President Thomas Jefferson who strongly believed in "separation of church and state", his phrase not the wording in the Constitution. Does the Superintendent not know that President Jefferson wrote his own version of the Bible, for his own reflection, excluding most of the miracles of Jesus and references to Jesus as divine. Does he not know that Jefferson is often characterized as a founding father who leaned towards Deism. If so Superintendent, read up on it, you may find an answer to your question "Where did Jefferson come up with...?" and you might learn how he viewed the Creator.
If you want your child to learn about the Bible, send them to private school like everyone else ffs. Forcing everyone to read this religious text under the guise of it being necessary in a historical context is disgusting. Just look at how embarrassing and poorly run public education is in Oklahoma - this is the LAST thing they should be prioritizing. OK already has a teacher shortage and this is not going to make it any better.
If you want to discuss the bible as a historical text, then it should only be taught in history classes, not math, not science. Not to classes that don't normally include history lesson.
The Treay of Tripoli was unanimously ratified by Congress and signed by President Madison. Article 11 of the treaty stated: “As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion..."
What other Religions will they be in teaching about? Who will be teaching the classes across the state? Joel Osteen, Steven Furtick, a Priest, a Pastor, a Rabbi, etc. Maybe they can start by reconstructing the tower of Babel, let's say in Norman, or Stillwater.
How are they going to cope with this bit? 1 Tim. 2:11-12 says: “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.”
Yeah, Alan Dershowitz reaction was a little bit over-the-top. It’s well known I believe that he is Jewish. I can completely understand why he does not want the Bible taught in the classrooms. But he’s also been an advocate that Jewish religious text and Jewish interpretation should also not be in the classroom so at least he’s been consistent. I can’t say I disagree with him.
@@gracielynn9623Shut up. People who demonize (literally) and dehumanize others just because they have opposing opinions suck. Binary, Manichean thinking is commonly used by conservative religious people drawn to authoritarianism. Life is complicated and confusing. Binary choices simplify decision-making, and the Manichean twist ensures you always ys come out righteous and your imagined enemies are pure evil and must be destroyed. It's also a cop-out to continue the "Us v. Them" mindset common to fascism instead of working to form a more perfect Union. 5:23
The Oklahoma SC said no to him and his idea of forcing other peoples children into his personal beliefs. They voted it down as unconsitutional. He cannot claim a bible class as 'history' or religious history (or whatever game he was trying to play) without allowing ALL religions to be included. Mr. Walters...Religious freedom means everyone does not have to believe what you believe. It does not mean YOU are free to push your agenda onto others. My children have their religion taught through the church of MY choice, not yours!
0:20 "Endowed by their Creator" is from natural law, not the Bible. The Declaration of Independence utilized natural law because, by disavowing rule by Britain, the United States had no law of its own. What makes a country sovereign is not its own pronouncement but rather recognition from other sovereign states. The natural law in the Declaration of Independence would be familiar to the rulers and leaders of European states as a sound justification to recognize the new country, untied to England 🏴. Jefferson mocked the miracles recorded in the Bible, and he and John Adams enjoyed ridiculing the religious for their unthinking ways.
To answer your question, because Stitt and Ryan Walters are both nuts! I need to sign the petition to impeach Ryan Walters. I am so glad to see you pushing back on this idiot.
Parents should be telling the school that the child is enrolled in that they can take the Bible and shove it that the child will not be forced in to reading the Bible why they are in school and that.s that
Yes, Idiocracy Theocracy being dialed into America in 4, 3, 2... When you force only one religion into public schools, you cannot escape the hypocracy. People are so afraid of the others, we need to work together to make our planet better, and not work to make America a Theocracy.
Treaty of Tripoli: As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen (Muslims); and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan (Mohammedan) nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. Signed 1796 by President John Adams. The entire treaty was read aloud on the Senate floor, and copies were printed for every Senator. A committee considered the treaty and recommended ratification. Twenty-three of the thirty-two sitting Senators were present for the June 7th vote which unanimously approved the ratification recommendation.
Luckily most of the major school districts have said they will not be teaching it. I live here and if they do teach it we will homeschool. My state is horrible with this crap
Its place is in a theology class! Not a history class and certainly not a science class! The US is not a theocracy it is a secular republic based upon democratic principles. So perhaps it may be more germane to be learning more about those principles, the emergence of peloponesian democracy, perhaps of Solon, or Drakon and the history of democracy. Would it then be imperative Then should by extension of your former logic would you consider it imperative to contextualise religious faith of the founders of these democratic principles, expanding upon and teaching the tales of the Greek pantheon. Extrapolation of the argument can obviously lead to problems, which if extended reach ad absurdum. It really isn’t necessary to teach scripture as a foundation of history. It’s being used as an excuse to continue the propagation of religious doctrine into secular education beyond the bounds of study of Christianity in comparative theology.
From outwith the US, I regard Ryan Walters not only as a fool, but a dangerous fool. Would I be wrong in thinking that these actions/decisions are his way into higher office? Correct me if I am wrong in my perception. I fail to see the point of training educators if you then turn decision making over to parents who have zero expertise in the field.
There’s a reason Thomas Jefferson advocated for a clear separation between church and state-it’s embedded in the Constitution. The government is prohibited from endorsing any single religion. Forcing children to be indoctrinated in one particular faith is a direct violation of that principle. If the governor allows this, then he must also allow the Quran to be taught as divine truth and the Vedas as the inspired word of God. After all, with over 18,000 deities and 4,000 religions in existence, cherry-picking one to promote is nonsensical and shows more loyalty to religious institutions than to any true divine entity. I highly doubt that most reasonable parents want their children to be taught that a man who believes a mysterious voice-or a powerful political figure-commands him to murder his son is a hero. You know, like the story of Abraham and Isaac.
"We knew that we needed to include the Bible directly into the classroom so that kids understood the full historical context of its role in American history," said Oklahoma State Superintendent Ryan Walters Oh what fun and mischief can be had following the Superintendent's instructions. An old saying comes to mind: "Be careful what you wish for."
This is a bad idea because the government could teach the Bible very wrong. The government serves a secular function (though religious principles influencing laws isn’t bad just to clarify).
Mary and Joseph offered a pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons as a sacrifice at the temple 40 days after Jesus' birth, in fulfillment of the law of Moses. This offering was a sin offering required by Leviticus 12:2-8 for mothers who were ritually unclean after giving birth. The Bible has SO much to teach modern society today! We best get on it! SMH 🙄
"If there is an all-knowing, just God... he would in no way associate Himself with the stupidities and atrocities written in that book(Bible)." Thomas Paine, one of the Founding Fathers and writers of the US Constitution
I don’t believe in it, but it doesn’t mean I don’t think it’s rich, meaningful and powerful. You can love something that you don’t believe to be true. Either way, the Bible does not belong in classrooms.
It's because Ryan doesn't know anything about history. That's why he keeps bringing up Martin Luther King Jr. That's the only black man he can refer to. This is a tholeological debate. Is he going to answer all of the questions that are going to come up, or is his thin skin going to try to shut it down? Which version is going to be taught, or did he forget there is more than one version?
The Bible has the Torah, Genesis to Deuteronomy (from what I remember). Also, the transliteration re: slave was employee/worker. Women are not "second class citizens", they had roles to play, as pregnancy and child birth used to be very dangerous; not having to leave work for unpaid/low paid maternity leave.
Deuteronomy 6:4-9 ESV [4] “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. [5] You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might. [6] And these words that I command you today shall be on your heart. [7] You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise. [8] You shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes. [9] You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates ❤
Do we need a Bible present and the 10 Commandments on the wall to say that in God we trust came from the Bible? It’s unnecessary. I went to high school in a very conservative state. I am very conservative myself. And our history class we learned about Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Catholicism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and any other religion that I am currently forgetting off the top of my head and how they affected historical events from thousands years ago to last decade. You don’t actually need the physical copies of any of these books present and forced down peoples throats to successfully and appropriately teach history. If that’s what you want then go to a private religious school.
Referencing how the Bible was an important document to people in US history isn't forcing it down anyone's throat. It's studying history in the context in which it happened. If you're studying where MLK Jr. got his ideas, a student should be able to see the source document.
@@DominusHydra40k in most states, it is required in basic high school history classes that all students have a basic understanding of Islam, along with every other religion. We are not top with the Quran says, but we are taught about how the religion was founded and who its leaders are.
@@DominusHydra40k mate I just graduated high school less than three years ago. It’s what we were taught. It’s what is mandated that we be taught now. My apologies if you’re upset that you were not taught that in high school in the 1980s.
I hope that Oklahoma starts teaching Anti-Catholic bigotry because Fr. Altman, Bishop Strickland, and Cardinal Burke could not wait to support Trump and these people need to understand that they have aided and abetted the wolf in sheep^s clothing. And now they need to understand what they have unleashed.
They will pick and choose from the bible what they want to promote just like preachers do every Sunday morning. No way the curriculum will include Ezekiel 23:19-20 (NIV) which answers the age old question over whether or not women prefer size 🤣No way they talk about how God demanded that if a man dies his brother should sleep with his wife to produce offspring, and I could just keep going on and on.
The history of the Bible, taught purely from that point of view could be good, but add in the Vedas of India, and the Early Buddhist Sutras too, so that there's a broad, international religious curriculum, so pupils can see the Bible in context.Psalm 130 could last a whole term, with world music, percussion classes and dancing, of different world styles. A whole other term could be contrasting and comparing the Epic of Gilgamesh with the Noah story, and with younger children, they could say what animals they;d like, and which ones they'd leave behind ( flies, cockroaches, wasps, spiders?) You don't have to Christian to know that the Bible is an important , world literary work, of great importance, and it can be introduced in that way.
Do we need a Bible present and the 10 Commandments on the wall to say that in God we trust came from the Bible? It’s unnecessary. I went to high school in a very conservative state. I am very conservative myself. And our history class we learned about Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Catholicism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and any other religion that I am currently forgetting off the top of my head and how they affected historical events from thousands years ago to last decade. You don’t actually need the physical copies of any of these books present and forced down peoples throats to successfully and appropriately teach history. If that’s what you want then go to a private religious school.
I mean, the Forefathers and founding documents are pretty American. The original moto of the USA was actually "Out of many, one.” It was *later changed* to "in God We Trust" by Christians. The Founding Fathers would have likely taken issue with that ;)
Yes, which version of the Bible? How about the Apocryphal texts? And don't forget to read from the Book of Revelation! That'll scare the Hell (oopsie) outta kids.
Oklahoma schools rank 49th out of 50 states. Those unfortunate kids need more than a bible.
" The United States is in no sense founded on the Christian religion. " Treaty of Tripoli. Signed unanimously by Congress.
God is referenced in every state preamble and the bible is acknowledged as being the word of God in Public Law 97-280, it may not promote the advancement of any particular religion but it certainly was founded on Christianity.
@@existension9174 Yet not at all mentioned in the U.S. Constitution. Which was founded on the principles of the Enlightenment.
@@itsjustme6632 The constitution is a contract between the people of the united states of america and their subcontractors,, Christianity inspired the law and men made a grievous mistake by making this contract. Exodus 23:32-33 "make no covenent with their gods, dont let them live in your land"
@@existension9174 Why should I care what the Bible says. And who are the subcontractors? The U.S. is the first nation to determine that they will self-rule. No kings or gods needed.
@@itsjustme6632 not trying to but into your conversation between you two discussing this, and I must preface this by saying I don’t mean to cause a fight or mean any disrespect here.
Nobody is saying that you are anyone else in Oklahoma has to subscribe to Christianity if they don’t want to, but the kids should at least know about the history of our country and how many biblical ideas have been used to inspire the founding of the country. If you look at our money it says In god we trust. There are many other examples such as in the Supreme Court has the Ten Commandments. Again, so I’m clear, nobody is forcing anyone to believe in a specific religion (in this case Judeo-Christian beliefs) from the Bible but it’s more about focusing on how the Bible helped shape the United States from a historical perspective during its origins. If you don’t want to read or believe in the Bible that is your choice of the individual.
I remember when they funded schools and taught kids things like, home economics, wood work, metal work, and finances. Things that they actually need. Now they take away the funding and don't even want to feed them.
I’m lucky to go to Minnesota public schools where we are well funded. We had a whole news room with professional technology to produce a school news show for example. It was great.
THIS COUNTRY IS SICK WITH RELIGION
so its ok for the woke crap to be pushed down our throats
@timothydoult6025 what woke crap?
No its Sick from Rejecting Jesus Christ for Salvation
@@TruthwillPrevail7938 How can you reject that which doesn’t exist?
@@SodaAnt7 Matthew 7:22-23
I know him personally. Walters is a corrupt opportunist.
He seems to be the sort of person who refuses to learn.
He's very tribal too. Everything is "the left's" fault.
Aren’t most republicans?
I live in OKC and I'm appalled by this guy. Oklahoma is like a political Petri dish for bad conservative ideas.
I'm in OKC too. I second what you said. I can't stand Ryan Walters.
All this guy wants to do is make Trump money for his campaign and I’m sure there’s a kickback
Hey superintendent: It is not clear. You are using this as a loop hole to integrate religion into the PUBLIC SCHOOL classroom. If a history teacher (I would like to know who they are) really needs to do a bible study to talk about the letters of MLK JR then I am not sure they are teaching History, but religion. If a teacher really feels this is essential to instruction of history, then have parents sign a signature allowing for such a discussion to occur. Again - this is a loop hole for you to incorporate religion into the classroom. As an educator this makes NO SENSE and shame on you, superintendent. shame.on.you!
What he said was the others are already in the classroom. That means the Bible should be there too.
@@QRedknight Your comment makes no sense. Please clarify?
Hey jack.. what right did you ungodly have to demand that we take the Bible out of the schools?
Lack of education about the Constitution is the reason why you got that attitude. Children that go to public schools have every right to have a Bible and to teach Bible in any school because of the Constitution.
@@righteousbyfaithinChrist Please provide the amendment, article and section number and we will look into your hypothesis.
JUST SO YOU KNOW...THEY DIDN"T ASK PEOPLE IN OKLAHOMA!!!! Oklahomans DO NOT all back or support this nonsense!
This country is not based on unanimous votes.
I do because they would be taught Greek and Latin. The Torah is the first five books of the Bible. So, it would taught too.
I agree, I also think the Quran should be taught since it could teach students the Arabic language. @@helencollier5317
Put it on the ballot
@@danielgc1970It’s not based on religion either.
I don't want a teacher teaching my child about a book that contains scenes involving incest, fratricide, mass murder of children , along with dozens of stories depicting violence towards women.
And I think technical child marriage
They watch the same on TV and movies
@@TruthwillPrevail7938 at least tv and movies aren't pushing a fake sky daddy
I don't think these people even read their book, and if they do, they don't comprehend the words. It is disgusting and should not be in the hands of a child.
@@Ash_Carnelian said another of Lucifer's children
He's lieing when he said they asked the public. I live in Oklahoma and have kids. This is the first I have heard of this subject.
Walter is a psychopath.
He seems less interested in a general education for students, and more interested in indoctrinating kids into right wing politics and his chosen religion.
EXACTLY! I live here, God help.
America was not found as Christian nation
@@calebcooks8497 actually it was.
yes it was
@@queredknight in what context?
@@ruthetiger Declaration of Independence plus many came here fleeing religious persecution from Europe.
@@ruthetiger many forgot and now they are persecuting christians.
I want to start off by saying that I am a Republican. This is not OK. I am a Republican with no religious affiliation. Telling people what religion to support or to not support any at all is not OK. I grew up in the state of Alabama. I graduated high school recently. We were able to be successfully taught history and about all of the various religions without having a physical copy of the Bible, the 10 Commandments, the Quran, the Torah, or any other religious text actually present. This is political and this is indoctrination. It’s not OK.
So what's wrong with indoctrinating kids with morality? I must have missed that part.
@@Wolfcamp555 the issue is that everyone has the right to choose their own religion. Children are impressionable on literally anything. It is not a publicly funded schools job to provide texts of one religious text and not another. There is not enough time in school to explain the full text of every different religions text. We have a separation of church and state. You can teach morality without teaching religion.
@@gracielynn9623 the issue is society has tried it that way for 60+ years and it failed. Nah, it's time to move on from that. Conservatism will take over now. Liberalism has been relieved of duty.
@@Wolfcamp555 i’m not a liberal and I do not support liberalism. It’s not OK. What about the Buddhist, the Hindus, the Jews, the protestants, all the other people that attend our public schools? This is not a religious country. This is a free country. We cannot force and should not force religion on children. That is a personal decision for your family. I am assuming that you are Christian. Your family chose to be Christian. How would it make you feel if the school was forcing you to be Jewish? That is what putting these Bibles in these classrooms would be doing.
@@gracielynn9623 no, I'm an infedel. In God We Trust is the National Motto whether you or I like it or not.
"God" only applies to religions that worship the God of Abraham.
Only Judaism, Christianity, and Islam worships God.
No other Gods before me means all other religions aren't allowed.
Until that changes, so it will be.
Never should religion be in schools how ignorant is that.
That's actually an ignorant statement.
@@danielgc1970 What are you going to teach the students that slavery and genocide are acceptable ?
@@Bugsy0333 Actually, God's word is a solace to those that find themselves in that predicament. You can have inner peace with God while suffering.
@@danielgc1970 Christians have an answer for everything.
Goes kind of something like this . Your friends been in a serious accident and passes away the response is : Oh well that was God's well you're in a better place.
Your friend is in a serious accident, but survives the response is : See God's watching out for you.
@@Bugsy0333 I Peter 3:15: "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear" Jesus is the answer to everything.
Both my kids just graduated from high school in Oklahoma. Wow am I ever happy for that! My kids won't have to endure the shit show this is creating. I feel sorry for the teachers and school officials in our state right now. I would certainly have pulled my kids fro public school as I'm sure many parents will.
Ultimately, I think that is what their goal is. Uneducated people are easier to control.
First person he mentions is Thomas Jefferson, who literally had a Bible that he cut out all of the references to anything supernatural in it. Then there is Ben Franklin: 'Lighthouses are more useful than churches.' A lot of the founders were trying to separate church and state and weren't a fan of the traditional church. There should be freedom of religion, but there should never be a state-sponsored religion. End of story. If his point is that he wants to reference the Bible in history with respect to how it influenced people, then he'd better be advocating for all of the quotes against the church from the founding fathers too. And highlight the Salem witch trials
Thomas Jefferson did create his own version of the Bible, (commonly known as the Jefferson Bible, officially titled "The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth." )
Contrary to the belief that he cut up the Bible to remove the supernatural, Jefferson's primary purpose was to distill the moral teachings of Jesus. He focused on the ethical and philosophical aspects of Jesus' teachings.
Jefferson, a Deist, was interested in the moral philosophy of Jesus rather than the religious dogma or supernatural claims. He used this version for personal study and reflection, emphasizing the practical and moral instructions of Jesus as a guide for living a virtuous life.
the bible is many different types of literature. history, biography, parable stories.
Go to a religious school!
try teaching kids SKILLS so they can succeed, not CRAP!!! Thanks!!!
LOL ...
Teacher -- "So, your house is on fire, kids, what do you do?"
Kids -- "Pray to Jesus for rain!"
This guy needs to lose his job
Get his ass out of that position. What are you thinking, Oklahoma? This guy is an idiot! We left to seek freedom from religion. It is part of our history.
Teach the good things that christians did, then also teach the dark side of christians, teach the words of Jesus. In the history of all the evil acts of Christianity and why they simply didn't ask themselves, what would Jesus do. Teach that.
The conspiratorial part of me thinks this is a way to make public schools so intolerable parents pull their kids out and put them in private and charter schools…also something the right wants.
SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
@mormonobserver both of those things should be removed
I don't think the young guy knows what he is doing. If he have schools teach the bible there will be no teachers to teach and parents who is not religious will not let their kids go to school. The professor is right.
Or better yet do your job as a parent because it’s your job to raise the child.
I’m a Christian and I’m totally against this. It’s the families responsibility to teach, not the schools. You really don’t know what they will end up learning. 🤷♀️
Facts. They'll learn facts
@@rensinclair4218I can’t wait to see Catholics and Baptists duking it out in the classroom over whether or not praying to Mary is idolatry. There are probably hundreds of denominations of Christianity in Oklahoma with their own beliefs about the Bible. You can’t train teachers to cater to all of them, therefore nobody’s beliefs are being honored. It’s all a load of BS, Walters doesn’t care about anything but advancing his career by appealing to the far right. He didn’t hold any of these opinions just a few years ago.
@@rensinclair4218this is laughably stupid.
Imagine a teacher who is Baptist teaching about gifts of the Holy Spirit. I’m guessing Pentecostal parents aren’t going to like what she says.
Anyone who is for this supports allowing public school teachers to indoctrinate their children. I am a Christian, but I do not want the Bible taught to my children by anyone other than me, my wife and my pastor. In my opinion, if someone supports this, they forfeit the right to complain about LGBTQ+ education in schools. Public schools should be about learning math, english, science etc. Any type of ideology should be left to the family, whether I agree with the ideology or not.
What kind of scholarship is Superintendent Walters promoting? He asks where did Jefferson come up with the phrase "endowed by our Creator." Seems the Superintendent is advocating pick & choose to defend your position. Does he not know it was President Thomas Jefferson who strongly believed in "separation of church and state", his phrase not the wording in the Constitution. Does the Superintendent not know that President Jefferson wrote his own version of the Bible, for his own reflection, excluding most of the miracles of Jesus and references to Jesus as divine. Does he not know that Jefferson is often characterized as a founding father who leaned towards Deism. If so Superintendent, read up on it, you may find an answer to your question "Where did Jefferson come up with...?" and you might learn how he viewed the Creator.
If you want your child to learn about the Bible, send them to private school like everyone else ffs. Forcing everyone to read this religious text under the guise of it being necessary in a historical context is disgusting. Just look at how embarrassing and poorly run public education is in Oklahoma - this is the LAST thing they should be prioritizing. OK already has a teacher shortage and this is not going to make it any better.
put these republicans in prison NOW. NOW
Ryan Walter’s the Oklahoma School superintendent does support Project 2025
History just gonna repeat it's self.
Fruit loop deluxe.
Oklahoma is a weird state
As well as the ENTIRE set of Southern States.
If you want to discuss the bible as a historical text, then it should only be taught in history classes, not math, not science. Not to classes that don't normally include history lesson.
What does your Bible say about arrogance, superintendent?
The Treay of Tripoli was unanimously ratified by Congress and signed by President Madison. Article 11 of the treaty stated: “As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion..."
As a Christian I'm concerned that their attempt to force the Bible onto student will make the Bible and religion to become repulsive to them.
FOOL!! This is going to cause all kinds of confusion.
What other Religions will they be in teaching about? Who will be teaching the classes across the state? Joel Osteen, Steven Furtick, a Priest, a Pastor, a Rabbi, etc. Maybe they can start by reconstructing the tower of Babel, let's say in Norman, or Stillwater.
How are they going to cope with this bit?
1 Tim. 2:11-12 says: “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.”
Wow😮he sure triggered the demons in Alan, the hatred in his facial expression more noticeably apparent since they muted his mic.
Yeah, Alan Dershowitz reaction was a little bit over-the-top. It’s well known I believe that he is Jewish. I can completely understand why he does not want the Bible taught in the classrooms. But he’s also been an advocate that Jewish religious text and Jewish interpretation should also not be in the classroom so at least he’s been consistent. I can’t say I disagree with him.
@@gracielynn9623Shut up.
People who demonize (literally) and dehumanize others just because they have opposing opinions suck.
Binary, Manichean thinking is commonly used by conservative religious people drawn to authoritarianism. Life is complicated and confusing. Binary choices simplify decision-making, and the Manichean twist ensures you always ys come out righteous and your imagined enemies are pure evil and must be destroyed. It's also a cop-out to continue the "Us v. Them" mindset common to fascism instead of working to form a more perfect Union. 5:23
Did not answer a single question…😂
The Oklahoma SC said no to him and his idea of forcing other peoples children into his personal beliefs. They voted it down as unconsitutional. He cannot claim a bible class as 'history' or religious history (or whatever game he was trying to play) without allowing ALL religions to be included. Mr. Walters...Religious freedom means everyone does not have to believe what you believe. It does not mean YOU are free to push your agenda onto others. My children have their religion taught through the church of MY choice, not yours!
I don’t believe any religion should be studied in school
0:20 "Endowed by their Creator" is from natural law, not the Bible.
The Declaration of Independence utilized natural law because, by disavowing rule by Britain, the United States had no law of its own.
What makes a country sovereign is not its own pronouncement but rather recognition from other sovereign states. The natural law in the Declaration of Independence would be familiar to the rulers and leaders of European states as a sound justification to recognize the new country, untied to England 🏴.
Jefferson mocked the miracles recorded in the Bible, and he and John Adams enjoyed ridiculing the religious for their unthinking ways.
To answer your question, because Stitt and Ryan Walters are both nuts! I need to sign the petition to impeach Ryan Walters. I am so glad to see you pushing back on this idiot.
Why not include the Torah? This questions is exibit A for why this study is needed..... the Torah is IN the Bible
Torah is the Jewish interpretation of the old testament but the same as the Bible.
He said they do include that. Listen again.
Walters just wants to get on Trump's radar. He'll bail in a second if Trump wins a second term.
Ryan Walters is a bully and not too bright.
Good to see the neutral stance by the superintendent 😏🤣
Include the history of religion, if you want to be contextual, Okie-boy.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
Make sure you teach the epic of Gilgamesh while you pukes are at it!!
Parents should be telling the school that the child is enrolled in that they can take the Bible and shove it that the child will not be forced in to reading the Bible why they are in school and that.s that
NO religion in school.
Yes, Idiocracy Theocracy being dialed into America in 4, 3, 2... When you force only one religion into public schools, you cannot escape the hypocracy.
People are so afraid of the others, we need to work together to make our planet better, and not work to make America a Theocracy.
Which version is going in the classroom? NIV, KJV, ESV…?
The "Torah" is the first 5 books of the Bible.
Treaty of Tripoli: As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen (Muslims); and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan (Mohammedan) nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. Signed 1796 by President John Adams.
The entire treaty was read aloud on the Senate floor, and copies were printed for every Senator. A committee considered the treaty and recommended ratification. Twenty-three of the thirty-two sitting Senators were present for the June 7th vote which unanimously approved the ratification recommendation.
Luckily most of the major school districts have said they will not be teaching it. I live here and if they do teach it we will homeschool. My state is horrible with this crap
Awful man.
Sir, do not bring up MLK In your argument. MLK was a PASTOR!
You are infringing on American's rights to practice religion the way they see fit. NOT YOUR BELIEF.
Its place is in a theology class! Not a history class and certainly not a science class! The US is not a theocracy it is a secular republic based upon democratic principles. So perhaps it may be more germane to be learning more about those principles, the emergence of peloponesian democracy, perhaps of Solon, or Drakon and the history of democracy. Would it then be imperative Then should by extension of your former logic would you consider it imperative to contextualise religious faith of the founders of these democratic principles, expanding upon and teaching the tales of the Greek pantheon. Extrapolation of the argument can obviously lead to problems, which if extended reach ad absurdum. It really isn’t necessary to teach scripture as a foundation of history. It’s being used as an excuse to continue the propagation of religious doctrine into secular education beyond the bounds of study of Christianity in comparative theology.
Walters why dont you move our schools out of dead last place before you "expand the curriculum"
From outwith the US, I regard Ryan Walters not only as a fool, but a dangerous fool.
Would I be wrong in thinking that these actions/decisions are his way into higher office? Correct me if I am wrong in my perception.
I fail to see the point of training educators if you then turn decision making over to parents who have zero expertise in the field.
Teaching what the role of the bible was is very different than teaching theology.
Teach OK kids math, science, and history, not the myths of ancient superstitious goat herders.
Religion shouldn’t be in school! Don’t teach children religious view or commandments to follow!
There’s a reason Thomas Jefferson advocated for a clear separation between church and state-it’s embedded in the Constitution. The government is prohibited from endorsing any single religion. Forcing children to be indoctrinated in one particular faith is a direct violation of that principle. If the governor allows this, then he must also allow the Quran to be taught as divine truth and the Vedas as the inspired word of God. After all, with over 18,000 deities and 4,000 religions in existence, cherry-picking one to promote is nonsensical and shows more loyalty to religious institutions than to any true divine entity. I highly doubt that most reasonable parents want their children to be taught that a man who believes a mysterious voice-or a powerful political figure-commands him to murder his son is a hero. You know, like the story of Abraham and Isaac.
Ignorance at its best
aiyoh, us' own taliban😂😂😂😂, but worst than taliban
"We knew that we needed to include the Bible directly into the classroom so that kids understood the full historical context of its role in American history," said Oklahoma State Superintendent Ryan Walters
Oh what fun and mischief can be had following the Superintendent's instructions.
An old saying comes to mind: "Be careful what you wish for."
Because they wa t control and don't care about separation of church and state
Bullshit
Wicca has a bible too, and is part of history, so they should also teach witchcraft in the schools as well.
This is a bad idea because the government could teach the Bible very wrong. The government serves a secular function (though religious principles influencing laws isn’t bad just to clarify).
Mary and Joseph offered a pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons as a sacrifice at the temple 40 days after Jesus' birth, in fulfillment of the law of Moses. This offering was a sin offering required by Leviticus 12:2-8 for mothers who were ritually unclean after giving birth.
The Bible has SO much to teach modern society today! We best get on it! SMH 🙄
Social Studies classes already contain the basic tenets of Islam, Buddhism etc...
First, they have to be able to read.
Has to be the King James. As that was the text that was being referenced by those historical figures.
The children do need to know this is part of our history as a country the Bible is why it has in God we trust kids don't know that
Thank you
"If there is an all-knowing, just God... he would in no way associate Himself with the stupidities and atrocities written in that book(Bible)."
Thomas Paine, one of the Founding Fathers and writers of the US Constitution
Hope they teach it properly, not watered down
There is no value in the bible.i would love to be a teacher in those classes so i can read the MOST HORRIBLE VERSES IN THAT SPECIFIC BOOK.
he says he loves the bible yet doesnt believe it
Excuse you?
I don’t believe in it, but it doesn’t mean I don’t think it’s rich, meaningful and powerful. You can love something that you don’t believe to be true. Either way, the Bible does not belong in classrooms.
It's because Ryan doesn't know anything about history. That's why he keeps bringing up Martin Luther King Jr. That's the only black man he can refer to. This is a tholeological debate. Is he going to answer all of the questions that are going to come up, or is his thin skin going to try to shut it down? Which version is going to be taught, or did he forget there is more than one version?
The Bible has the Torah, Genesis to Deuteronomy (from what I remember).
Also, the transliteration re: slave was employee/worker. Women are not "second class citizens", they had roles to play, as pregnancy and child birth used to be very dangerous; not having to leave work for unpaid/low paid maternity leave.
Deuteronomy 6:4-9 ESV
[4] “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. [5] You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might. [6] And these words that I command you today shall be on your heart. [7] You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise. [8] You shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes. [9] You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates ❤
Do we need a Bible present and the 10 Commandments on the wall to say that in God we trust came from the Bible? It’s unnecessary. I went to high school in a very conservative state. I am very conservative myself. And our history class we learned about Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Catholicism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and any other religion that I am currently forgetting off the top of my head and how they affected historical events from thousands years ago to last decade. You don’t actually need the physical copies of any of these books present and forced down peoples throats to successfully and appropriately teach history. If that’s what you want then go to a private religious school.
Bullshit. Nobody taught Islam in America lol😂
Referencing how the Bible was an important document to people in US history isn't forcing it down anyone's throat. It's studying history in the context in which it happened. If you're studying where MLK Jr. got his ideas, a student should be able to see the source document.
@@DominusHydra40k in most states, it is required in basic high school history classes that all students have a basic understanding of Islam, along with every other religion. We are not top with the Quran says, but we are taught about how the religion was founded and who its leaders are.
@@gracielynn9623 bullshit 😂
@@DominusHydra40k mate I just graduated high school less than three years ago. It’s what we were taught. It’s what is mandated that we be taught now. My apologies if you’re upset that you were not taught that in high school in the 1980s.
I hope that Oklahoma starts teaching Anti-Catholic bigotry because Fr. Altman, Bishop Strickland, and Cardinal Burke could not wait to support Trump and these people need to understand that they have aided and abetted the wolf in sheep^s clothing. And now they need to understand what they have unleashed.
As long as its historical context ONLY. Try real hard not to brain wash the kids like my gen was
They will pick and choose from the bible what they want to promote just like preachers do every Sunday morning. No way the curriculum will include Ezekiel 23:19-20 (NIV) which answers the age old question over whether or not women prefer size 🤣No way they talk about how God demanded that if a man dies his brother should sleep with his wife to produce offspring, and I could just keep going on and on.
The history of the Bible, taught purely from that point of view could be good, but add in the Vedas of India, and the Early Buddhist Sutras too, so that there's a broad, international religious curriculum, so pupils can see the Bible in context.Psalm 130 could last a whole term, with world music, percussion classes and dancing, of different world styles. A whole other term could be contrasting and comparing the Epic of Gilgamesh with the Noah story, and with younger children, they could say what animals they;d like, and which ones they'd leave behind ( flies, cockroaches, wasps, spiders?) You don't have to Christian to know that the Bible is an important , world literary work, of great importance, and it can be introduced in that way.
There’s nothing more American than the phrase, “In God We Trust”. Where is this text came from? BIBLE.
Amen. ✝️🙏🏼
Do we need a Bible present and the 10 Commandments on the wall to say that in God we trust came from the Bible? It’s unnecessary. I went to high school in a very conservative state. I am very conservative myself. And our history class we learned about Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Catholicism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and any other religion that I am currently forgetting off the top of my head and how they affected historical events from thousands years ago to last decade. You don’t actually need the physical copies of any of these books present and forced down peoples throats to successfully and appropriately teach history. If that’s what you want then go to a private religious school.
The God of Abraham, Jews, Christians and Muslims. In Allah You Trust.
God and Allah are the same. In Allah You Trust.
@@gracielynn9623none of those other religions count because they don't trust in God/Allah.
I mean, the Forefathers and founding documents are pretty American. The original moto of the USA was actually "Out of many, one.” It was *later changed* to "in God We Trust" by Christians. The Founding Fathers would have likely taken issue with that ;)
Yes, which version of the Bible? How about the Apocryphal texts? And don't forget to read from the Book of Revelation! That'll scare the Hell (oopsie) outta kids.
Brain washing
Teach the students the Bible (as history), or keep them ignorant.
Of what? There is very little actual history in the Bible, besides some vague second hand mentions of the Hittites, the Phoenicians and Canaanites
@@WarriorOfWriters Abraham
@@joyce9656 no records of Abraham or Moses outside of Jewish lore
@@WarriorOfWriters Abrahamic Faiths: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Yes, Islam. We are connected. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions
Because we are getting closer to end of times .
😂religious fanatics have been saying that for two thousand years😂
@@popweaselcrunchIt's UTTER BS they keep playing in a LOOP.