BM/BS does seem to be a type of dramione classic, and while I was drawn in and at times affected by the story, I completely agree with your criticism. There’s so much cringe in this one, and it goes darker than I think it needs to be (for an 8th year fic, especially). Lots of icky feelings, but strangely compelling 😅 I recently found The Fixer-Upper Club by CharliPetidei and I highly recommend for an 8th year fic that took a different approach. It is way lighter story and does not bash Ron but develops Hermione in an interesting way through her relationship (Also read The Fallout and am attempting to bind it I loved it so much, can’t remember if you’d already tried that one).
Thanks for the comment, and I'm glad to hear someone agrees with me, I don't know how popular/unpopular the opinion is but, yeah, I know this fic is pretty well known. And I kept forgetting that they were literally 18!!! I hated that!!!! And I haven't heard of the fixer upper club, I'll add it to the list. I want to bind some soooo badly but it seems so daunting. And the fallout is one of my next ones!
I've been looking forward to another Dramione video from you! A couple of thoughts: Firstly, I absolutely loved the format of this video-it was perfect to have on while I cleaned my apartment, so lovely. Secondly, I was curious about this fanfic given its status in the fandom, and I have to say, I completely agree with your opinion on *the line* and how easily we can slip into glorifying or romanticizing abuse in literature, especially in this fandom. Lastly, I noticed you mentioned Wait and Hope in your Dramione overview video. I'm about halfway through, and while I can't give a full opinion just yet, I'm absolutely loving it. It has the angst and complex emotions without crossing *the line*, and the perfect touch of fluff. love what you're doing
Thank you so much for this comment!! I appreciate it so so much! After posting a video with opinions I always start to get nervous that someone is going to get mad at me so I really appreciate you saying all that. Yes wait and hope is still on the list, the ever growing list 🥲 I actually don't remember where I got the rec though so it's good to hear you say you like it
Babe I don’t know how involved you are with Dramione but I’m guessing you’re pretty into it, I don’t know if you post in any other social medias but I gotta ask, have you heard of fanfiction etiquette?
know i’m in the minority but genuinely loved BMBS. was my second ever dramione (after manacled) and i really enjoyed the less plot heavy, not death and torture ahhhhh tone. that being said, your vid is amaze, agree on so many points and that’s the wonderful thing about the fandom, tons of stuff for everyone :) pls keep doing what you’re doing i’m totally sat for all future vids!!💚🖤💚🖤
Firstly, I am so sorry if my English is not that good, but I'll try my best to comment anyway! 🤣 I wanted to start this saying that your videos are amazing and I am currently obsessed with every each of them! I really love how you put your opinions in a very organizing and clear way that it's so easy to comprehend (even for me that English is not my mother language). After seeing your video it kind of gave me courage to put a review on my good reads account for this fanfic. The first time that I read this I was freshly returning to read Harry Potter's fanfic again, and after so many people on TikTok started to recommend it, I thought it wouldn't be that bad, right? So many people are complementing and give amazing reviews towards it that I thought it would be safe zone to be in. The thing about fantasy is one thing, but this pic it's a bit beyond that. For me, Draco's doesn't redeemed himself in any time. And the first spicy moment that they had was awful and hard to read. He was awful and for me was totally SA, it was brutal. All of the after moments of Draco's arm situation, and self harming was really discomfortable. I'm usually easy to read and watch dark and deep stuff, but this was something that was memorable, not in a good way. Well, thank you so much for making this video, and please, continue to upload more content about this! I don't really have any friends to talk about this kind of stuff and it would be really nice to have someone to share my thoughts about it too! PS: I loooooove your hair! It's really beautiful, and seeing you making nail art for me was really relaxing too!
Thank you so much for this sweet comment! I really appreciate it and I loved reading your thoughts. I also don't have many people to talk about with this stuff, that's why I made these videos! So I love talking about it and hearing other people's opinions. And if you read this fic and also understood my mumbling English, I know you're very good at English so don't even worry about it haha. As far as your opinions on this fic-- I totally agree. I also read some dark stuff but I wasn't prepared for what I also considered to be SA, and I did not like the way it was written, like that was okay and acceptable. The self harm, the her having to save him from himself, all of that was too much for me, and just like you I didn't see any people saying "hey this was a little too much, here's why" when I was looking around at recommendations. Just like you said, it was memorable and not in a way that is good. I'm really happy to see someone else agrees with me since I didn't see this opinion around. If you watch my other Dramione videos you can see some good recommendations without all that stuff :/ Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
I wish I could remember the name of the ff where Draco is forced to be dorm mates with Hermione and she has him read about MLK jr to highlight pureblood hypocrisy. I do think some readers stick a little to hard to their own expectations of characters, when the point of fanfiction is fans making the story go how THEY want. Do i get annoyed when they make the characters too immature... sure. Do i think some works take trauma/toxicity to far... definitely. But outside of torture corn disguised as dark romance (believe me i have run into some that were a hard pass/is this writer okay territory), I'm okay with most variations of characterizations.
Hmm could it be Isolation? I haven't read it but I know it includes forced proximity/roommates. I agree that some people (maybe me? lol) want the characters to be a certain way too much, like they want it to be their exact idea of cannon. I don't mind different takes at all, but in this case the trauma was a little outside of what I like to read, especially since it felt like it didn't have purpose in the story (obviously there is no purpose to trauma, but to write it in a story where it causes the guy to mistreat the girl so much, and she just accepts it? Weird). I definitely feel for authors though, in some ways it probably seems like they can do no right.
Hahaha yeah I also tried this one and couldn’t do it 😅 from what I understand, it’s iconic in the fandom because of the time it came out (I want to say mid 2010’s?) like isolation - a lot of the fandom was younger at the time and the high-school quality of it hit really hard (like Isolation) - I could be totally off on this though so don’t quote me on it haha. But I think that why it holds a special place for a lot of people - nostalgia etc. Now we’re all a lot older and the average fic is very different but we wouldn’t be where we are today without these stories building the fanbase and laying the groundwork for the more mature stories we have nowadays ❤ The author onyx and elm was posting a new story recently called Don’t Look Back which people were saying was very good (it was still a WIP so I hadn’t read it yet) but they have since pulled all of their works form the web which is really sad and now no one will know the ending. Hopefully they come back! Anyways, I’m still out here screaming about Detraquee, Soft as it Began, Lionheart, One and Done (+ any/all of pacificrimbaud’s one-shots), Beginning and End (of the Wait and Hope universe), Bloody Slutty and Pathetic, Teach me How to Forget … etc etc etc I have so many recs tell me what you’re in the mood for but if you’re looking for quality writing and in depth characters who feel like real people, gorgeous realistic character and relationship development, and insanely beautiful prose and masterful intertextual references I cannot stop repeating Detraquee Detraquee Detraqueeeeeeeeeee 😂❤
Jumoed the gun and commented really quickly because I was so excited haha then pressed play again and got to your note with the actual publishing dates 😂😂 I guess I thought it was a little older than it is 😅 lol but regardless I do think it’s one of the first fics that a lot of people read which is why so many people recommend it. [ I DNF’d though so I definitely agree with you ]
Sooooo good to hear you agree haha. I think you have a good point though even though it wasn't published that long ago. It's nostalgic and I know first fics hold a special place in everyone's hearts. I don't read WIPs either but I'm sorry to hear that they pulled all of their work, I hope they put it back on, I'd try a different one of theirs if it was more up my alley characterization-wise. Its funny you mention pacificrimbaud's work because I recently looking up some shorter fics for palate cleansers and I saw SO many people recommending their work, so I downloaded a few. I generally am not so into oneshots just because I love a slow burn etc but I just read The Seduction by senlinyu and it was pretty cute so I'm looking to try some pacificrimbaud's next. and YES thank you for reminding me I have to pick up Detraque! You seem like you know my taste so I'm sure I'll like it! Thank you for the recommendations and the sweet sweet comments!
The author of this story has been called out multiple times about being problematic and has handled it inappropriately every time they've been called out. Their other story "don't look back" feels the same as bm/bs with all of the icky abuse and violence, but it had a large following and afaik it will never be finished because the author cannot handle being called to be accountable. Really enjoying your perspective on these fics!
Thanks for the comment! I believe it given the response on this one that I talked about. I think I'll be staying away from them from now on. I wish I would have known about all this before I read it
only youtuber ive found with a good dramione vid
BM/BS does seem to be a type of dramione classic, and while I was drawn in and at times affected by the story, I completely agree with your criticism. There’s so much cringe in this one, and it goes darker than I think it needs to be (for an 8th year fic, especially). Lots of icky feelings, but strangely compelling 😅
I recently found The Fixer-Upper Club by CharliPetidei and I highly recommend for an 8th year fic that took a different approach. It is way lighter story and does not bash Ron but develops Hermione in an interesting way through her relationship (Also read The Fallout and am attempting to bind it I loved it so much, can’t remember if you’d already tried that one).
Thanks for the comment, and I'm glad to hear someone agrees with me, I don't know how popular/unpopular the opinion is but, yeah, I know this fic is pretty well known. And I kept forgetting that they were literally 18!!! I hated that!!!! And I haven't heard of the fixer upper club, I'll add it to the list. I want to bind some soooo badly but it seems so daunting. And the fallout is one of my next ones!
I've been looking forward to another Dramione video from you! A couple of thoughts:
Firstly, I absolutely loved the format of this video-it was perfect to have on while I cleaned my apartment, so lovely. Secondly, I was curious about this fanfic given its status in the fandom, and I have to say, I completely agree with your opinion on *the line* and how easily we can slip into glorifying or romanticizing abuse in literature, especially in this fandom.
Lastly, I noticed you mentioned Wait and Hope in your Dramione overview video. I'm about halfway through, and while I can't give a full opinion just yet, I'm absolutely loving it. It has the angst and complex emotions without crossing *the line*, and the perfect touch of fluff.
love what you're doing
Thank you so much for this comment!! I appreciate it so so much! After posting a video with opinions I always start to get nervous that someone is going to get mad at me so I really appreciate you saying all that.
Yes wait and hope is still on the list, the ever growing list 🥲 I actually don't remember where I got the rec though so it's good to hear you say you like it
Babe I don’t know how involved you are with Dramione but I’m guessing you’re pretty into it, I don’t know if you post in any other social medias but I gotta ask, have you heard of fanfiction etiquette?
know i’m in the minority but genuinely loved BMBS. was my second ever dramione (after manacled) and i really enjoyed the less plot heavy, not death and torture ahhhhh tone. that being said, your vid is amaze, agree on so many points and that’s the wonderful thing about the fandom, tons of stuff for everyone :) pls keep doing what you’re doing i’m totally sat for all future vids!!💚🖤💚🖤
I appreciate the perspective! And honestly I feel like reading order plays into things sooo much. Thanks for your comment and support! 💛
Firstly, I am so sorry if my English is not that good, but I'll try my best to comment anyway! 🤣
I wanted to start this saying that your videos are amazing and I am currently obsessed with every each of them! I really love how you put your opinions in a very organizing and clear way that it's so easy to comprehend (even for me that English is not my mother language).
After seeing your video it kind of gave me courage to put a review on my good reads account for this fanfic. The first time that I read this I was freshly returning to read Harry Potter's fanfic again, and after so many people on TikTok started to recommend it, I thought it wouldn't be that bad, right? So many people are complementing and give amazing reviews towards it that I thought it would be safe zone to be in.
The thing about fantasy is one thing, but this pic it's a bit beyond that. For me, Draco's doesn't redeemed himself in any time. And the first spicy moment that they had was awful and hard to read. He was awful and for me was totally SA, it was brutal. All of the after moments of Draco's arm situation, and self harming was really discomfortable.
I'm usually easy to read and watch dark and deep stuff, but this was something that was memorable, not in a good way.
Well, thank you so much for making this video, and please, continue to upload more content about this! I don't really have any friends to talk about this kind of stuff and it would be really nice to have someone to share my thoughts about it too!
PS: I loooooove your hair! It's really beautiful, and seeing you making nail art for me was really relaxing too!
Thank you so much for this sweet comment! I really appreciate it and I loved reading your thoughts. I also don't have many people to talk about with this stuff, that's why I made these videos! So I love talking about it and hearing other people's opinions.
And if you read this fic and also understood my mumbling English, I know you're very good at English so don't even worry about it haha.
As far as your opinions on this fic-- I totally agree. I also read some dark stuff but I wasn't prepared for what I also considered to be SA, and I did not like the way it was written, like that was okay and acceptable. The self harm, the her having to save him from himself, all of that was too much for me, and just like you I didn't see any people saying "hey this was a little too much, here's why" when I was looking around at recommendations. Just like you said, it was memorable and not in a way that is good. I'm really happy to see someone else agrees with me since I didn't see this opinion around.
If you watch my other Dramione videos you can see some good recommendations without all that stuff :/
Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
She goes next day to madam pomphrey for her first day of her internship not him. She goes to him coming sunday to him and they dont kiss thar day.
I wish I could remember the name of the ff where Draco is forced to be dorm mates with Hermione and she has him read about MLK jr to highlight pureblood hypocrisy.
I do think some readers stick a little to hard to their own expectations of characters, when the point of fanfiction is fans making the story go how THEY want. Do i get annoyed when they make the characters too immature... sure. Do i think some works take trauma/toxicity to far... definitely. But outside of torture corn disguised as dark romance (believe me i have run into some that were a hard pass/is this writer okay territory), I'm okay with most variations of characterizations.
Hmm could it be Isolation? I haven't read it but I know it includes forced proximity/roommates.
I agree that some people (maybe me? lol) want the characters to be a certain way too much, like they want it to be their exact idea of cannon. I don't mind different takes at all, but in this case the trauma was a little outside of what I like to read, especially since it felt like it didn't have purpose in the story (obviously there is no purpose to trauma, but to write it in a story where it causes the guy to mistreat the girl so much, and she just accepts it? Weird). I definitely feel for authors though, in some ways it probably seems like they can do no right.
Seconded that that sounds like Isolation!
thanks for wasting your time so i won't waste mine!!
You're welcome I live to sacrifice myself 😌
Hahaha yeah I also tried this one and couldn’t do it 😅 from what I understand, it’s iconic in the fandom because of the time it came out (I want to say mid 2010’s?) like isolation - a lot of the fandom was younger at the time and the high-school quality of it hit really hard (like Isolation) - I could be totally off on this though so don’t quote me on it haha. But I think that why it holds a special place for a lot of people - nostalgia etc. Now we’re all a lot older and the average fic is very different but we wouldn’t be where we are today without these stories building the fanbase and laying the groundwork for the more mature stories we have nowadays ❤
The author onyx and elm was posting a new story recently called Don’t Look Back which people were saying was very good (it was still a WIP so I hadn’t read it yet) but they have since pulled all of their works form the web which is really sad and now no one will know the ending. Hopefully they come back!
Anyways, I’m still out here screaming about Detraquee, Soft as it Began, Lionheart, One and Done (+ any/all of pacificrimbaud’s one-shots), Beginning and End (of the Wait and Hope universe), Bloody Slutty and Pathetic, Teach me How to Forget … etc etc etc I have so many recs tell me what you’re in the mood for but if you’re looking for quality writing and in depth characters who feel like real people, gorgeous realistic character and relationship development, and insanely beautiful prose and masterful intertextual references I cannot stop repeating Detraquee Detraquee Detraqueeeeeeeeeee 😂❤
Jumoed the gun and commented really quickly because I was so excited haha then pressed play again and got to your note with the actual publishing dates 😂😂 I guess I thought it was a little older than it is 😅 lol but regardless I do think it’s one of the first fics that a lot of people read which is why so many people recommend it. [ I DNF’d though so I definitely agree with you ]
Also I ADOREEEEE these in depth videos so much! 😁 you’re always spot on with the commentary, critique, and dissection! I love this content haha
Sooooo good to hear you agree haha. I think you have a good point though even though it wasn't published that long ago. It's nostalgic and I know first fics hold a special place in everyone's hearts. I don't read WIPs either but I'm sorry to hear that they pulled all of their work, I hope they put it back on, I'd try a different one of theirs if it was more up my alley characterization-wise. Its funny you mention pacificrimbaud's work because I recently looking up some shorter fics for palate cleansers and I saw SO many people recommending their work, so I downloaded a few. I generally am not so into oneshots just because I love a slow burn etc but I just read The Seduction by senlinyu and it was pretty cute so I'm looking to try some pacificrimbaud's next. and YES thank you for reminding me I have to pick up Detraque! You seem like you know my taste so I'm sure I'll like it! Thank you for the recommendations and the sweet sweet comments!
The author of this story has been called out multiple times about being problematic and has handled it inappropriately every time they've been called out. Their other story "don't look back" feels the same as bm/bs with all of the icky abuse and violence, but it had a large following and afaik it will never be finished because the author cannot handle being called to be accountable. Really enjoying your perspective on these fics!
Thanks for the comment! I believe it given the response on this one that I talked about. I think I'll be staying away from them from now on. I wish I would have known about all this before I read it