If Apocalypse doesn't let his excessive hubris and ego get in the way this time and he uses his power set wisely, he could definitely pull off a win! Don't come in to monologue, come in to destroy!
Apocalypse has realized his true powers and potential and is setting up a winner take all situation. Plus I think he might’ve somehow merged with nimrods tech as well when nimrod tried to jump him.
Uranos beating Legion and annihilating the absolute vast majority of Arrako, a population filled with Omega-Level mutants WITHIN AN HOUR translates to a hard loss for Apocalypse, imo. Uranos cooks Apoc on all ends, BUT I'M BETTING either Apocalypse is gonna win for the sake of plot, OR letting Uranos out backfires in an awful way, also for the sake of plot.
Ok so this is a problem. Uranos is an eternal which was created by the celestials Apocalypse has Celestial tech so he might have a device he could use. Also his powers allow him to adapt and do whatever plus he has technopathy which means he could definitely override Uranos weapons, so unless Uranos attacks first and drops everything all at once he's going to lose and even doing that he still might lose.
Your comment is old but this is a great idea, Uranos wants to genocide mutants and is loyal to Celestial protocol. Apocalypse is a mutant and uses celestial tech for millenia, that should put those two on a collision course.
I got Uranos based on just how they're writing things but they might do some typical comic book shit and have one of them get jumped to make the scaling ambiguous. Like what if Legion and the X-Men jump in to help either side?
Your right fr and the reason legion lost was because the multiple personalities like it's crazy cuz if that didn't happen legion could have took a W but the writers weren't gonna let that happen lol
I'm coming into this conversation late but I wanted to put my two cents in. Notice with all the fights that apocalypse was in it was just to test his opponent's. He never wanted genocide. He just wanted the fittest to survive. So imagine if he didn't hold back. I'm not saying he would win. I'm just saying it's a different fight and we really don't know
If they let Apocalypse run wild/unconstrained by ego. This MF the O.G. menace from the x-men corner of the universe. He is a celestial powered mutant god. If their fight is anything less than a full comic worth of knock down, drag out, brawlin I ain't readin no more of this shiet. 🤣
Feat wise I would say Apocalypse should win, but since Marvel has literally seem to forget who Apocalypse is (making him into a hero lol) and how ruthless he is, they will give it to Uranos, They ruined Apocalypse as a character which is one of the reasons I gave up reading the new Xmen! Jonathon Hickman should of stayed with writing Avengers and Fantastic Four instead of ruining the Xmen. Now Beast is a villain, one of the most beloved characters in Xmen, and now the villains are all of a sudden heroes. Lazy writing all for the sake of twists.
Legion used that as an excuse. 🤷🏾♂️ As it was, Uranos wasn't pushed by what Legion brought. Legion has another gear, but it's obvious from Uranos not being pushed at all AND only using a percentage of his arsenal...that he's got several gears.
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I feel like Uranos will stomp Apocalypse. It’s fairly widely accepted that Apocalypse can’t beat Thanos and Thanos seems to be fodder to Uranos. Thanos and Uranos seem to have comparable power sets too. I’m sure in some crazy comic book logic Apocalypse will beat him though.
Commonly accepted does not always equate to truth Juggernaut killed thanos recently Nimrod 0 diffed Juggernaut Nimrod required multiple forms to take down apocalypse high diff This may just be a banger!
@@michaelgarcia5680 I generally agree with you because the circle theory is kind of garbage, but I feel like there is such a power discrepancy here. But I could be wrong.
@@kylecollins3755 we must keep in mind Apocalypse uses tech compared to the Phoenix Force itself in power Celestials got crazy amps so he is a nightmare now
Apocalypse will get a tech mcguffin. Apocalypse uses Celestial tech & Celestials made the Eternals. That'll be a key deciding factor in the fight... some kind of understanding only Apocalypse has, that no one else does, that evens the playing field. Otherwise, Uranos is OP.
I love apocalypse as a character but that whole self-power-bestowel is really a narrative problem, why wouldn't he give himself the ability to undo Uranos' quantum structure too bad marvel have never really done anything with this, but i still foresee the possibility of apocalypse outsmarting uranos
True (old school) Apocalypse has no ceiling when it comes to how many powers he has and the degree of mastery over each. He is immortal and a true cyborg whose physiology allows him to think on the level of a true super AI (if you allow him to use his technopathy / cybepathy side). The only problem he has is: Marvel ALWAYS nerfs him. When fighting Nimrod, he never used his technopathy, he never teleported Nimrod to the sun or the middle of nowhere. I call him a 'reverse gag' character. They ALWAYS take away at least 80 percent of his powers. When fighting the forces of Amenth, he never used most of his powers. And they are making him weak in a bid to make his wife the stronger one. He screamed when his wife was taken away from him. Men don't scream. It is unnatural for regular men, let alone a true boss type villain. He was taught survival of the fittest by his adoptive father and has always practiced it as one of the herald tier servants of the Celestials. Yet Genesis is being given credit for teaching him that. The new Marvel sucks man! Ever since the incident with Nate Gray's pocket universe Apocalypse has been made a true jobber
This! I hope when he makes it to MCU they dont nerf him too badly. I know they have their way of nerfing villains like with Thanos to make it feel more realistic but Apocalypse will be a bigger threat if hes the same as the comics.
Uranos would mop Apocalypse come on lol. Sount that's actually happening anyway I think Apocalypse will come in to Join Strom amd Storm will ise Uranos against Orcus. Also watch out for The return of charles as Onslaught
Magneto had help from Storm & Iron Man tbf. Uranos got taken out when Magneto gained access to his armory, and turned it on Uranos himself Magneto also in the past shredded Apocalypse while enraged, and another time blended his mind by scrambling the electromagnetic field in his head. Both have gotten stronger since then, so we’ll just have to wait & see
Uranos will put up a serious threat against current Thor with Odin force. Meanwhile Apocalypse got his ass kicked by unworthy Thor with his stupid axe....
*Uranos Vs Squirrel Girl* Squirrel Girl defeated Galactus, Thanos, Dr. Doom, Baron Mordo, Michael Korvak, and Ego. I’d say Uranos better watch his nuts, she’s going after them.
Bit of a mistake there, when Storm and her side had Uranos as a weapon to use against Genesis. Apocalypse wasn't there, and they had no idea if he was helping Genesis or not. But once he showed up, Genesis lost. And Thanos didn't free him cause he didn't care. Uranos was overhyped, he was suppose to be scarier than Thanos but the 3 big things we see him try he failed. I mean he wanted to wipe out all the Deviants and all that, and fought his own to try and make it happen and failed. He was sent to Mars to kill all the mutants there, he came very close but his ego allowed him to miss a lot. He even wasted the time he had left just looking at what he did. Than when he was sent back to finish what he failed to do on Mars, he got dropped by a half dead Magneto, who was being charged by Storm, in one quick go. Uranos's inexperience (do to being locked up for half a million years) and ego is his biggest downfall. Apocalypse with his Celestial armor will school Uranos, I mean he even has Technopathy and can take control of Uranos' weapons and turn it against him. Or shut it down and physically beat the holy hell out of Uranos. But I will say this, they have Apocalypse focusing on the bit of magic he knows and away from his Celestial side/armor. I mean he is still enhanced by the Celestials tech, but without the armor he doesn't seem to have the same level of protection and possibly strength. But that might just be me 🤷♂ I was also thinking with the Eternals whole thing about they can't harm a Celestial, I wondered could it include Apocalypse? But then a saw the image of him beating on Ikaris and I remembered that story. So no it wouldn't include Apocalypse. Either way, my money is on Apocalypse.
Uranos couldnt be stopped by Omega level mutants such as Legion! who can manifest damn near every power in existence (let that sink in and), Magneto, Storm, Cable, and an entire council of omega level mutants all in a row, then went on to lay waste to a nation of super powered mutants. Even thanos didnt want smoke. Apocalypse was down for several issues because of a poison arrow from one of his children.... how is this a fight at all much less Apocalypse winning? Seriously this cant be real
@@BigSirSplash Celestials shit themselves when Legion pulls up. Unc slumped him in seconds then big dawged the rest of Krakoa. Poc is nice with it, but he isn't clearing Krakoa in the span of a Robot Chicken episode.
@@BigSirSplash Celestial told young David that he's out of their jurisdiction...and you think En Sabah Nur with just their tech is going to stand up to the being that bodied David in mere moments? Taking no damage in the process then washing a nation of mutants with the other 19 or so minutes?
Nimrod is raw asf, you say that like losing to Nimrod is an anti feat lol Nimrod had to jump Apocalypse with two other copies, and lost one in the process
@@offtopluto He’s literally fucking solo’d the X-Men & no diffed Juggernaut by himself twice (who’s weight bullied the X-Men multiple times over the decades). Nimrod was built to be able to kill any mutant lol He’s also even aware of the Phoenix & isn’t worried, tf are you talking about
Uranos looks and feels like that one swole uncle who’s been to prison.
If Apocalypse doesn't let his excessive hubris and ego get in the way this time and he uses his power set wisely, he could definitely pull off a win! Don't come in to monologue, come in to destroy!
You are in for disappointment, that's all Apocalypse does. Correction, it's what "Revelation" does
The only monologuer we know of that doesn't often get his butt kicked and kinda respect is Darkseid.
Damn didn’t think apocalypse would skip thanos and go straight for Uranos💀
1st round bye 😂😂😂
Apocalypse has realized his true powers and potential and is setting up a winner take all situation. Plus I think he might’ve somehow merged with nimrods tech as well when nimrod tried to jump him.
Apocalypse is a beast but Uranos is on another level. Should make for an incredible battle.
THATS CRAZY, I'm halfway through randomly watching Uranos being Hoodrat Thanos | Goon Series right now when i got this notification lol
Uranos beating Legion and annihilating the absolute vast majority of Arrako, a population filled with Omega-Level mutants WITHIN AN HOUR translates to a hard loss for Apocalypse, imo.
Uranos cooks Apoc on all ends, BUT I'M BETTING either Apocalypse is gonna win for the sake of plot, OR letting Uranos out backfires in an awful way, also for the sake of plot.
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Ok so this is a problem. Uranos is an eternal which was created by the celestials Apocalypse has Celestial tech so he might have a device he could use. Also his powers allow him to adapt and do whatever plus he has technopathy which means he could definitely override Uranos weapons, so unless Uranos attacks first and drops everything all at once he's going to lose and even doing that he still might lose.
Your comment is old but this is a great idea, Uranos wants to genocide mutants and is loyal to Celestial protocol. Apocalypse is a mutant and uses celestial tech for millenia, that should put those two on a collision course.
@@subject8776 exactly
Uranos is probably curb stomping Apocalypse, Uranos isn't a Flash show level monologuer, Apocalypse unfortunately is
I’m rooting Apocalypse and betting on Uronos
Same here.
I got Uranos based on just how they're writing things but they might do some typical comic book shit and have one of them get jumped to make the scaling ambiguous. Like what if Legion and the X-Men jump in to help either side?
Your right fr and the reason legion lost was because the multiple personalities like it's crazy cuz if that didn't happen legion could have took a W but the writers weren't gonna let that happen lol
The only way Apocalypse could beat Uranos is if Apocalypse became the avatar of Cyttorak,obtained the phoenix force,or merged with the unipower.
I'm coming into this conversation late but I wanted to put my two cents in. Notice with all the fights that apocalypse was in it was just to test his opponent's.
He never wanted genocide. He just wanted the fittest to survive. So imagine if he didn't hold back. I'm not saying he would win. I'm just saying it's a different fight and we really don't know
Can you do a "vs" battle of "Kingpin vs Bane" ? Please ?
Awesome vid and you know how you scale some verses like Hellraiser? Can you scale Kingdom Hearts pls? Because it's an underrated verse and is broken.
Sponsor it & ya got a deal
If Apocalypse manages to clutch up on Uranos, I don’t wanna hear people say Thanos stomps Apocalypse anymore
Fr
The ex men would never give Thanos a fight
I gotta roll with Uranos. Apoc might make it interesting if he brings his A game though.
If they let Apocalypse run wild/unconstrained by ego. This MF the O.G. menace from the x-men corner of the universe. He is a celestial powered mutant god. If their fight is anything less than a full comic worth of knock down, drag out, brawlin I ain't readin no more of this shiet. 🤣
Love it dude
How do you think Apocalypse would feel about Saiyans?
This!
I'd like to know his opinion on Drake (Dracula) from Blade. Dude was born as the perfect being who never ever had to evolve
Ngl I thought this was def one-sided Big Unc for the win
Uranos based on feats hands down
Feat wise I would say Apocalypse should win, but since Marvel has literally seem to forget who Apocalypse is (making him into a hero lol) and how ruthless he is, they will give it to Uranos, They ruined Apocalypse as a character which is one of the reasons I gave up reading the new Xmen! Jonathon Hickman should of stayed with writing Avengers and Fantastic Four instead of ruining the Xmen. Now Beast is a villain, one of the most beloved characters in Xmen, and now the villains are all of a sudden heroes. Lazy writing all for the sake of twists.
Feat wise uranos is winning him beating a holding back legion is more than enough 🤷🏿♂️
I forgot but with the legion battle he only lose because the multiple personalities and he used that against him
Legion used that as an excuse. 🤷🏾♂️ As it was, Uranos wasn't pushed by what Legion brought.
Legion has another gear, but it's obvious from Uranos not being pushed at all AND only using a percentage of his arsenal...that he's got several gears.
He but magneto on a t shirt. You are now third favourite comic book guy
Apokalypse has celestial armor. That should put him over the edge against Uranos.
I hope marvel give us this fight. Remember how they hyped up Titan Hulk vs All Father Thor but they lied
Love it when when villins fight villins much more interesting
This is the First time i heard about Uranos
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Want Apocalypse to little brother him and then use him as a perfect vessel body like Orochimaru trying to get Sasuke
The Flying Dutchman(SpongeBob) vs Strawhat Pirates(One Piece).
What comic run is this?
Yes yes and yes now this is what I’m talking about !
I feel like Uranos will stomp Apocalypse. It’s fairly widely accepted that Apocalypse can’t beat Thanos and Thanos seems to be fodder to Uranos. Thanos and Uranos seem to have comparable power sets too.
I’m sure in some crazy comic book logic Apocalypse will beat him though.
Commonly accepted does not always equate to truth
Juggernaut killed thanos recently
Nimrod 0 diffed Juggernaut
Nimrod required multiple forms to take down apocalypse high diff
This may just be a banger!
That’s not really a good way to decide who wins a fight.
@@michaelgarcia5680 I generally agree with you because the circle theory is kind of garbage, but I feel like there is such a power discrepancy here. But I could be wrong.
@@kylecollins3755 we must keep in mind Apocalypse uses tech compared to the Phoenix Force itself in power
Celestials got crazy amps so he is a nightmare now
@@BigSirSplash touché. I was not aware that he’s on Phoenix level.
I just never liked him in the 90s X-Men cartoon so I still hold it against him lol
It would be cool if we could see these two fighting live or in an animated series..
Apocalypse will get a tech mcguffin. Apocalypse uses Celestial tech & Celestials made the Eternals. That'll be a key deciding factor in the fight... some kind of understanding only Apocalypse has, that no one else does, that evens the playing field. Otherwise, Uranos is OP.
Uranus vs darkseid
Uranos mid diff, Apocalypse is powerful but they have been building up Uranos for a while, he is a different tier.
I love apocalypse as a character but that whole self-power-bestowel is really a narrative problem, why wouldn't he give himself the ability to undo Uranos' quantum structure
too bad marvel have never really done anything with this, but i still foresee the possibility of apocalypse outsmarting uranos
Uranos takes this for me.
Let the strongest survive.😮
i'm going with apocalypse
Uranos on his sukuna shit right now 😅 fade goblin!
Lol the fight didn't even happen yet and he already made a Video on it. 💪🏿🤣
I need my boy apocalypse to stand on bidness!!!!
We need nimrod vid asap
Uranos is the Eternal that all eternals want to be. A swole no nonsense butt kicking Hell on wheels BADASS !!!
Yoo big homie think u could scale bloodborne, it has some juicy scaling, like these goons in the vid
If the video was sponsored maybe
True (old school) Apocalypse has no ceiling when it comes to how many powers he has and the degree of mastery over each. He is immortal and a true cyborg whose physiology allows him to think on the level of a true super AI (if you allow him to use his technopathy / cybepathy side). The only problem he has is: Marvel ALWAYS nerfs him. When fighting Nimrod, he never used his technopathy, he never teleported Nimrod to the sun or the middle of nowhere. I call him a 'reverse gag' character. They ALWAYS take away at least 80 percent of his powers. When fighting the forces of Amenth, he never used most of his powers. And they are making him weak in a bid to make his wife the stronger one. He screamed when his wife was taken away from him. Men don't scream. It is unnatural for regular men, let alone a true boss type villain. He was taught survival of the fittest by his adoptive father and has always practiced it as one of the herald tier servants of the Celestials. Yet Genesis is being given credit for teaching him that. The new Marvel sucks man! Ever since the incident with Nate Gray's pocket universe Apocalypse has been made a true jobber
Round 1 Uranos perfect victory.
Badass!
Maybe Apocalypse will have to battle Uranos for control of the celestials tech in the end
1:03 You heard "If we were gambling men and women"
I heard "if we were gambling men and women"
We are not the same.
Big AP for the W 😅 screw it iam all in lol
doomsday vs Uranos
Uranos for the first few match ups could stomp, but we all know how Doomsday rolls
Common man this is something death battle would do. We all know apocalypse ain't winning
This is literally happening in the next issue of x men red😂😂😂
Team Chaotix(Sonic Games) vs Cinder, Mercury and Emerald(RWBY).
Apocalypse is a very underrated villain and is very poorly written he should be higher on the food chain imo.
He is really high on the food chain tbh
This! I hope when he makes it to MCU they dont nerf him too badly. I know they have their way of nerfing villains like with Thanos to make it feel more realistic but Apocalypse will be a bigger threat if hes the same as the comics.
Big Boy Apocalypse of course would be my bet
The fact that they didn’t let us see this fight…….
Uranos would mop Apocalypse come on lol. Sount that's actually happening anyway I think Apocalypse will come in to Join Strom amd Storm will ise Uranos against Orcus. Also watch out for The return of charles as Onslaught
Uranos should win if the Powerscaling is to remain consistent.
Upon this blue rock and all of Marvel's superpower, there is none equivalent to Apocalypse. Armageddon is coming!!!!! Apocalypse will win.
Nature of the eternals video eternal needs more love they were nerfted in mcu
Writing wise if Apocalypse doesn't win on get his payback on Uranus, Orchis etc then his whole arc was trash 😅
Apocalypse will
Win!!!!
Uranos is on par and even more powerful than many cosmic beings. Uranos scales far above Apocalypse, And I believe should make short work of him.
A bit over kill?
I don't think they will fight but If Magneto could beat him Apocalypse could.
Magneto had help from Storm & Iron Man tbf. Uranos got taken out when Magneto gained access to his armory, and turned it on Uranos himself
Magneto also in the past shredded Apocalypse while enraged, and another time blended his mind by scrambling the electromagnetic field in his head. Both have gotten stronger since then, so we’ll just have to wait & see
When did magneto beat him clown?
En Sabah Nur!
Hey Jobbers im a big fan, quick question who would win in a twerk off if both hulk and pennywise were naked and oiled up
Penny can shape shift so he should comfortably win with or without oil
@@BigSirSplash that question has always been on my mind, thank you for answering
Uranos will put up a serious threat against current Thor with Odin force. Meanwhile Apocalypse got his ass kicked by unworthy Thor with his stupid axe....
I’m rooting 2poc shakur
If they dont water Apocalypse down. It's an even fight..
I'm sorry but it's not a fair fight, Uranos curbs stomps easily
Uranos dont play with me
Uranos, only because Marvel won't have Apocalypse remain Mega Zod height the whole fight. 😄
*Uranos Vs Squirrel Girl*
Squirrel Girl defeated Galactus, Thanos, Dr. Doom, Baron Mordo, Michael Korvak, and Ego.
I’d say Uranos better watch his nuts, she’s going after them.
Nimrod vs Ultron
Bit of a mistake there, when Storm and her side had Uranos as a weapon to use against Genesis. Apocalypse wasn't there, and they had no idea if he was helping Genesis or not. But once he showed up, Genesis lost. And Thanos didn't free him cause he didn't care. Uranos was overhyped, he was suppose to be scarier than Thanos but the 3 big things we see him try he failed. I mean he wanted to wipe out all the Deviants and all that, and fought his own to try and make it happen and failed. He was sent to Mars to kill all the mutants there, he came very close but his ego allowed him to miss a lot. He even wasted the time he had left just looking at what he did. Than when he was sent back to finish what he failed to do on Mars, he got dropped by a half dead Magneto, who was being charged by Storm, in one quick go. Uranos's inexperience (do to being locked up for half a million years) and ego is his biggest downfall.
Apocalypse with his Celestial armor will school Uranos, I mean he even has Technopathy and can take control of Uranos' weapons and turn it against him. Or shut it down and physically beat the holy hell out of Uranos. But I will say this, they have Apocalypse focusing on the bit of magic he knows and away from his Celestial side/armor. I mean he is still enhanced by the Celestials tech, but without the armor he doesn't seem to have the same level of protection and possibly strength. But that might just be me 🤷♂ I was also thinking with the Eternals whole thing about they can't harm a Celestial, I wondered could it include Apocalypse? But then a saw the image of him beating on Ikaris and I remembered that story. So no it wouldn't include Apocalypse.
Either way, my money is on Apocalypse.
Uranos in six panels
😂😂😂
The panel count is funny af
Revalations will not lose !!!!!
Uranos couldnt be stopped by Omega level mutants such as Legion! who can manifest damn near every power in existence (let that sink in and), Magneto, Storm, Cable, and an entire council of omega level mutants all in a row, then went on to lay waste to a nation of super powered mutants. Even thanos didnt want smoke. Apocalypse was down for several issues because of a poison arrow from one of his children.... how is this a fight at all much less Apocalypse winning? Seriously this cant be real
My money is on Uranos
Go back to Legion's fight with Uranos it was a stalemate. If they continued they would have destroyed the multiverse.
Uranos won
Legion later said he held back
I want apocalypse to out smart him
Uranos for the win with ease
I know people will disagree but I'm going with Apocalypse
Uranos would destroy Apocalypse.
Franklin Richards would fuck up both tho
Franklin dont be cooking like people make it seem
Legion is lame. He allows Uranos to kill millions of mutants because of his mental instability
Uranus
Apocalypse is getting worked.
Uranos using a percentage of his arsenal to walk through all of Krakoa, including Legion, in under 20 minutes?
Nimrod needed clones of himself for big Apoc
Nimmy took down juggs no diff & solod tbe mutants
👀 and Apoc has celestial tech
@@BigSirSplash Celestials shit themselves when Legion pulls up. Unc slumped him in seconds then big dawged the rest of Krakoa.
Poc is nice with it, but he isn't clearing Krakoa in the span of a Robot Chicken episode.
@@gotanygrapes2471 it didnt shit itself. It said judge yourself godling
It burned the phoenix & omega after
@@BigSirSplash Celestial told young David that he's out of their jurisdiction...and you think En Sabah Nur with just their tech is going to stand up to the being that bodied David in mere moments? Taking no damage in the process then washing a nation of mutants with the other 19 or so minutes?
uranos destroys him way older and stronger
Apocalypse was killed by Nimrod no match hear.
Nimrod is raw asf, you say that like losing to Nimrod is an anti feat lol
Nimrod had to jump Apocalypse with two other copies, and lost one in the process
@@JustSomeGuy440 He’s a man made robot always loosing to the X-men.
@@offtopluto He’s literally fucking solo’d the X-Men & no diffed Juggernaut by himself twice (who’s weight bullied the X-Men multiple times over the decades). Nimrod was built to be able to kill any mutant lol
He’s also even aware of the Phoenix & isn’t worried, tf are you talking about
@@JustSomeGuy440 I’m not going to argue over fictional characters that are made up.
@@offtopluto Translation: “I got called out for my bullshit comments & can’t think of anything else to say”
I remember nimrod no diff apocalypse in a more recent story
X men power's of x if I'm not mistaken
It wasnt a no diff.
Nimrod clones died trying to stop him. For reference Nimrod didnt need clones for juggs or phoenix
It would be funny if Apocalypse just beats up Uranos in some future comics because Marvel writers nowadays.
I think in raw natural power Uranos is stronger. Apocalypse is gonna need a good plan, upgrade, or some clutch moment to win.