Really loved the visual shocks between the audio sources you're enumerating and the illustrating pictures! "Horns" and "strings"... Genius way to eye catch and lighten up your content, while making it all a lot funnier!
This is low key such a great recommendation. I wish this was more well known. I especially like the StudioLive series because I can get analog sound (eq and compression) on the way in with effectively no latency and hella inputs
The best thing is that the ”stagebox” is actually a complete rack mixer, so via the app it actually makes the mixer on the desk an optional addition for the feel of having physical buttons and faders. But for studios on a budget they can just skip the console mixer, and just have the ”stagebox” as a stand alone mixer.
The first minute was the biggest, most unexpected laugh of the day for me! Thankyou. And based on that one minute (though I'm deciding on spending a lot on a Focusrite Clarett 2Pre because I could then add channels to it via ADAT and have a simple, high-quality performance option too) I've subscribed. Hope you're still going strong; now back to your video. Cheers.
I can definitely confirm this. I came from the same setup with two 24 i/o boxes, a console, and Cubase. I hesitantly sold off my room and bought a Studiolive 32s and Studio One. Holy sh@ this thing is awesome! No random noises to search out, no automation screwing with outboard compression, and beautiful beautiful RECALL! The DAW mode and integration with Studio makes it just like mixing analog, but easier. My biggest hesitation was leaving Cubase, but I feel right at home with Studio One. It actually makes sense considering the two people who created Studio One used to work for Steinburg. 🤘🏻
@@awpMusic1 I have 40 plus synths and use RME digiface interface into cheapo ADAT A/D converters, Behringer ADA8200 etc. Gives me 32 channels of line in for the synths and all accessible in my DAW. Latency is good at 48k (256 samples = 5 sec input and 5 sec output). I like the stageboxes shown in this video but wonder what the latency is on windows PC say using a Klarke Technic CAt5 to USB
I've been using Soundcraft's Ui24R for three years now and I can't recommend it enough: excellent live mixer with 22 physical inputs and 10 outputs;, 32 x 32 USB interface with 24 channel multi-track recording and playback on the desk, as well as being an HTML5 web server, which means there's no app. It is completely agnostic to platform: phones, tablets, laptops, it doesn't care what controls it. AND IT SOUNDS AWESOME!!
Likewise! I’ve had mine for about the same time. Recently went browsing for something better to replace it. There’s nothing out there which does everything the Ui24r does. A&H QuSB comes close but is iPad only.
Same here. I like that it records straight to a USB drive and/or a computer. Recording redundancy is one of the reasons that I bought it. Another reason is the ability to control it on a web browser page that anyone can access, rather than an app.
I've been using the little brother, the Ui16, for 3 years or better for our church. It's doing just fine, it sounds good, it's flexible enough to run FOH and a secondary aux master stereo to feed into my Studio One DAW to process my Livestream. The USB record and playback slots are nice as well. One big bonus for live sound is these have dbx AFS² feedback suppression built-in. Biggest drawback? I've run out of inputs. So to remedy it I might go up to the Ui24 or better yet go with Presonus StudioLive 24R, and mix on Studio One and/or their UC Control surface.
I’m a FOH engineer I could tell you that my dream studio rig would be an SSL L200 console with a pair of remote I/O boxes. I used the L series for live events for over 4 years, mixing Foh, monitors, and A/V and to be honest live gear is superior nowadays! The job gets done, your sound is amazing and musicians are happy and inspired. I am currently planning out a studio running of a Yamaha TF5 console paired with a couple Tio Boxes all because I just got tired of Apple upgrading their hardware and my audio gear becomes obsolete. You have a good point there!
Yes! We’ve been using a live desk for tracking for years, and more studio people need to look to live world for better workflow AND better sound quality now!
In my job, which is to compose music and make audio post for documentaries, they think to buy me a yamaha TF1, I'm close to saying no, to buy by my own limited means a specialized AD-DA card like the LYNX AuroraN, or focusrite Rednet 16 T. The question I ask everyone, since I don't have a way to test both devices, will there be such a difference in audio quality, to record, mix or master? The thing is that sound quality is quality of life for me.
'flight case that weighs the same as Birmingham'......dying lol. been running audio via cat 5 since 2004 via EmU 1820m PCi. I had no idea that CAT 5 was capable of such high channel counts. Dude thank you.
I am happy I found this channel! Authentic and informative. I do not get some of the commenters are so 'offended' 🤗 It is just opinions and sharing thoughts on audio. What fits you good is good! I am on a PC and never knew apple is going that way. Flexibilty of Cat5 is such a great oportunity when I am mixing FOH and all techs coming to the venue I am house engineering. It is so fast and flexible. ADAT is good, if you are not chaining too much stuff. I am expanding my ID14 with the new ultragain in my home and for rehearsal room recordings. That is super okay. Bjt I get the point that it is annoying when running your studio network. Great video!
@eterna2k7 Wrong person, but I just use an ART Syncgen. I used to use a BLA micro clock mkii, but it just died on me and I didn't want to spend the money. The ART clock has been working great since. 👍
this was the video that made me buy a used Soundcraft Ui24 and hopefully I won't need to borrow gear any more. Plus I don't need no app for control as it's browser based. Thanks a lot! you rock!
I love our band's Soundcraft Ui24R. We're a 10 piece band (just about clinging on in these times). I was hesitant at first not having physical sliders and knobs but it's a great unit that can double as an audio interface for £600 for 22 physical mic inputs and 8 physical outputs. Great for a small studio, two can be daisy chained and it can record to usb stick simultaneously. Wondering when we'll get to use it again...
Nikolaki, I have the UI-16. How are you guys connecting your stage box to the computer. I tried the cat-5 cable but windows 10 or my DAW (Reaper) doesn't recognize it. The UI-16 doesn't multi-track record on the usb, only a stereo track but I thought I might get lucky with the cat-5. I can't find any info on this topic, any help/advice would be appreciated, thanks!
@@HenryC7625Sadly the Ui16 only gives out a stereo feed as a USB audio interface. I think the Ui24r is the only model in that series to offer multitrack + stereo to USB. The cat5 connection is only used to access the web interface and in the case of Ui24r also allows two units to be cascaded.
Live world is very cool. I have a MADI interface which allows me to connect directly into some live consoles and also allows me to expand inputs. Dante is very nice too
Just started watching this. Liked the video already just because of his delivery and humor. The five "Cats" pun 😂 Wished I could like this video more than once 😄
When you can buy a 3000 Euro audio interface and can't even care enough to know how its name is spelled, you've got too much money... (It's "Antelope", btw.)
@@holiosys To me, it has to do with respect and care. Not only towards the brand (Antelope in this case) but also towards other people who will read what you write. If I wanted to praise a brand/company/person, I would definitely treat it with enough respect and care to write the name properly. However, it seems I'm quite the exception in thinking like that, judging by the majority of comments.
@@MrGul Those are your personal values.. and you're free to post them. The ideology of imposing those personal values on others is in my eyes flawed. What may be important to you may not be important to the next. a lot of it boils down to tolerance and passing a little less judgment. All I saw was a typo or maybe someone who isn't perfectly apt in spelling or whatever.. assumptions ... .. tolerance.
Love ADAT! 24 channels direct to desk in and out with RME HDSP on PCI at 3ms, 48khz. Absolutely no issues in over 10 years. Mind you I'm not running a hugely overpriced Apple box! Just a fast i7 window box. Kerrrching!!
@@G_handle Spirit Digital 328 by Soundcraft. Quite underrated and functionally ahead of it's time, albeit pretty dated now. I think the Behringer X32 is modeled on it with some obvious modern upgrades. It's been my console, hub/converter for the RME and controller for Cubase for a good 10 years now.
@@sizzloh Dated....hmmm. I have so many thoughts right now. First, I still have and still love my 32-channel Soundcraft Ghost. Your Spirit Digital always intrigued me, though I never got my hands on one, and had nearly forgotten about it. It triggers one of my reactions to this, pretty ridiculous video though... Your board, if I'm not mistaken, has in addition to the Alesis lightpipe I/O, Tascam's answer to 8-channel Digital in the form of DB-25s. The DA-88s had that TDIF?, and the ADATs had Lightpipe. That Soundcraft has both. My point being that, my reaction to his hatred of ADAT still being around, is look at it the other way. That DIGITAL format, has lasted since the 90s. What other digital anything is still being manufactured on brand new equipment today. I was excited that the new Universal Audio Apollo x4, not only has ADAT in, like my Twins do, but also ADAT Out, which makes that a powerful little box for $1700 if you then add a $300 Behringer ADA8200 giving you 8 mediocre Mic Pres if you need em, but more importantly 8 line level Cirrus Logic A/Ds and 8 D/As, in addition to the 4-Unison Pres or Line-ins, 6 line-outs, +HPs from UA. Yes two grand, but that's a serious Hybrid/Hardware Inserts/Analog Stem Processing/Summing rig. Add to that an SSL SiX 12:2 mixer for $1500 and some Mogami to hook it all up, and Sonically you in the money for under four Gs. And the ADAT makes it possible! UA ain't gonna give you 16 more converters for $300 more bucks. But throwing lightpipe on the back and letting it flow through the thunderbolt costs hardly anything extra. Anyway, it's also ironic that he's praising Live World for being ahead of the curve, when it was live world and boards like yours, and the omnipresent O2Rs that hooked into RME interfaces in the first place. He said something like, " ..."it can only do 4 channels at 96k for some reason ". Yeah, bandwidth! Since SMUX, your ADAT has been able to do 8-channels at 1x (44.1/48k), 4-channels at 2x (88.2/96k), and 2-channels at 4x (176.4 I guess, never seen that, but 192k). AND those fiber optics can run 2-channels of SPDIF, at great distances. I've been using this format for decades now, with not a single problem I can remember. It took some dude on UA-cam, talking smack like a Gear Slut with a camera, to make me stop and appreciate the exact opposite of whatever the hell he thought he was saying. Whilst the ADAT machines have all rightly gone to e-waste, the ADAT format has served us well. And well into the third decade of the twenty-first century.
@Chad Gillihan Yeah, a friend of mine (who has a steadier hand than I) and myself ripped it apart and replaced the stock power caps with Nichicon Golds with much beter ESR rating, giving the opamps and converters a more steady power supply. It definitely opened up the highs and when we compared it to his shiny new cranborne 500 series converter, MOTU sounded smoother and more natural. Definitely recommend the mod at least for peace of mind, but one warning: make sure the caps are the same height, mine aren't and the lid can't close (which doesn't matter as it sits free in a loose top rack space on a patch bay.
A very good video in general. I'd like more background on why you don't like the ADAT standard. I can think of some limitations regarding shorter cable lengths (relative to ethernet type solutions) unless you use ADAT extenders which also use ethernet. You lose half the input if you record at 96k with SMUX (not necessary but some insist on it) . Other than that it has served me very well. I've been using RME interfaces for decades now with very low latency at 32 samples. Very straight forward and reliable for me. The integrated live solution makes a lot of sense. You could almost pay for this outright by the money you save in long cable runs.
Glad we have the Studiolive Series III SX32 and 16r when our church upgraded from analog to digital. Didn't regret it. In fact everyone loved it! Felt like we brought a studio into church, haha! Our drums are semi-caged and use the mics to run and blend with Slate Trigger, our guitars and bass on vst guitar plugins, vocals with iZtope Nectar + Melodyne ARA2! The Capture App bundle is fantastic along-side running the free OBS Studio for streaming or just purely recording the cameras. The stage is clean and amp-less. I run fx and processing combining both the power of the DAW & plugins and the in-built channel strip of this board. Really taking advantage of the remote control. You can indeed do a lot with our present "Live" equipment when you bring it into the studio. It's a match made in heaven! Ps. Even without internet, as long as you're connected to the router via Cat6/WiFi, it'll work. We bought our model last July, 2021. And to other viewers who are curious about the remote control app that musicians use that he mentioned in the vid, they're Aux sends. Their personal mixes will not interfere nor affect the main mix in the control room. It's just plainly a monitor signal feed where you have full control like adding "more ME"! Happy mixing everybody and cheers to the amazing vid!
I use a 8 input Zoom R24 (16 when I link my 2 recorders together) and it works great for live recording. I love this recorder, it has a sampler a mini drum machine and much more.
Been installing the range of Allen&Heath SQ or QU in studios for about 8 years now. First people are like but this is a live mixer? Yes but look at the flexibility you get… all the headphone mixes, the Daw control, mix or remote record from any position. Yes personally I still have my ISAs on front of this but 99% of musicians cannot hear the sound difference… it is way more about room, how loud is the backing or more me, how much food and coffee everyone has had than an boutique system that is way too complex! Live world is miles ahead on cost performance. Great video!
Yes, it’s fantastic! I went with the Behringer X-32 desk because at the time, the Presonus digital consoles had a shut-off problem, so X-32 it was...and I don’t regret it. The X-32 is situated on my left side and is connected via cat-5 to a router, my Mac to the router as well for X-Edit which can completely control my X-32 from my Mac (and is showing on an external monitor at all time). Another Cat-5 from the router to my X-Touch controlling the X-32 faders, pans and such on top of controlling my DAW (Logic X) right in front of me in a small form factor! It’s fantastic! Next purchase is indeed the digital stage box!
Had a quick look around, and seems like it probably works, but basically has been superseded by other connection protocols and physical connectors by now. These newer ones will support more channels and higher sample rates over a single cable, eg. the cat-5 (computer LAN cable) that the presenter Mark is talking about in the video. LAN cables are also dirt cheap and easily available.
@@nicolashauss4075 And how old and dated the protocol is. It's from the beginning of the 90's! MADI is better but was never adopted to the same degree, is still a a very expensive solution (which pretty much only RME still uses) and it also uses the same fragile optical cables most of the time.
maybe i'm lucky but ADAT into a RME digiface is rock solid and any optical connector over about 2£ is pretty sold and thanks to the digital is best push, I bagged a NAGRA T for £50
My 4-track cassette never suddenly vanished in the middle of doing a song. It had absolutely no latency, and it didn’t have a “scoot the track by millimeters left or right” button, because the tracks were always in perfect alignment, every single time.
I'm curious to know why you don't like ADAT actually. I'm personally looking into ADAT expansion with and RME PCIe ADAT card and a couple of Clarett OctoPres (or maybe similar Audient ones, haven't decided yet), because it seems quite easy and more customisable. I'm also on Windows so I don't have the issue of not having PCIe slots (or having to spend lots of money to get PCIe slots). So yeah, I'm curious why you don't like ADAT?
My personal opinion, more moving parts/wires gives more points for failure. Sometimes I travel record events on the fly. Id hate to lose half of my inputs because of a loose cable lol. One big piece of hardware seems more secure to me
@@dariencharlton4773 Never had a problem with ADAT in 20 years other than its channel count and sample frequency limitations. I've used a lot of different stuff.
Thank you so much for the information, I’m planing to buy both, rack and regular mixer to record my band and create demos and this video answer all my questions.!!!
While I do agree that live solutions have a nice workflow for cheap, but analog signal path on most of these things suck. To achieve high studio quality you’ll definitely need external preamps, compressors, etc. now if you want a similar experience you can go for antelope audio, which sells 32 quality interfaces, though i hear they have issues. The reason why Apollos are so expensive is because they are MORE than JUST an interface. They have some of the best plugins on the market along with some of the best a/d conversion and some of the cleanest analog pres, which can then be modeled after top of the line hardware. If you don’t need mic pres (since you’ll probably wanna replace those on the presonus anyway and you mentioned using a 24 i/o from MOTU previously), you can grab 2 of the 16 i/o version. That being said the live world has always had great tools for the studio. I started with a Mackie mixer with stereo outputs into an interface so i could have more mic pres. I would down mix the drums from the mixer and record stereo for drums. Now the latest versions of those mixers have multi track outs via USB or AVB. What I’ve found though is that the drivers/built in mixer and such isn’t as good or stable as others. though in the live sound world presonus is probably the best deal. But it ISN’T STUDIO GRADE. so maybe starting out to accomplish goals it’s good, but long term you’re gonna wanna replace it. The feature of having artists use an ipad to mix their headphone mixes is an incredible idea! Did you know most DAWs have their own iPad app? with pro tools they can do their own headphone mixes, just setup a bunch of aux tracks and let them play with the sends, or create a few buses that send to the outputs they’ll be listening to and only show them their tracks. As someone who live streams for the last 2+ years it’s become a hybrid of a live setup and a studio setup. I use studio grade interfaces (Apollo/audient), but I have friends who use live mixers and interfaces. The mixer is often used for easy hands on control of the stream and the interface for sound quality. Often using the interface’s superior conversion or preamps. Anyway i appreciate that videos like this exist, so many people don’t realize how powerful the live world can be in the studio (especially AVB and Dante setups).
Wow, this is such a logical setup. I wonder if you could set up a Dolby Atmos surround set-up via the 24R since the output count wouldn't be an issue. But no idea how the Dolby matrixes are set up
You certainly could - if you’re mixing music for Dolby Atmos then the final render can be done in software, so you could use the 24R for multichannel monitoring. Both ProTools and Steinberg Nuendo offer support for Atmos built in. For cinema release you need to be certified, and there is dedicated hardware the render has to be mastered to.
I have pretty much the same set up with the 24R, just I have the 24 channel desk, rather than the 32. I also added some of the MOTU AVB interfaces (24Ai and 16A), plus some extra i/o chained off those using *(whispers)* ADAT ! All in, I have 128 inputs and 64 outputs available simultaneously and it all goes through a single Thunderbolt cable from the 16A into the Mac! The MOTUs and the Presonus kit play together pretty well over AVB, you just need an AVB router if you have more than 2 AVB devices. The 24R is great value for money and you can build from there really easily if you need to.
RME Don’t play around! They can get better latency via USB2.0 than other interfaces using Thunderbolt! Love RME equipment, it is simply superb and yes, ADAT is rock solid on their hardware!
I recently bought the Soundcraft Signature 22mtk which gives me 24 in and 22 out. Comes with legendary ghost preamps and 2 x lexicon fx engines plus loads of other goodies. For a band or studio on a budget you won’t find better for under £600. Plus for live use it comes with my favourite button that mutes all channels except the last stereo channel 21/22 so you can play background music. It’s just full of little tricks that make sense in the real world. Check it out.
I have one (and a 16 ch) love it except they seem to have forgotten to store the efx settings so when you power down you'll have to reset any of those from scratch. Unless I’m missing something (??) but I spoke with them or other tech support and apparently it was overlooked. It's inexpensive so no analog direct outs (or inserts if I recall, it's been mothballed since COVID) and one channel seems to have crapped out)
MY Soundcraft 22mk Crapped out on me after less than a year, the company I called , they didnt give a toss really, I reckon its a good idea but poorly executed, probably cheap circuits, channels stopped working, one every 2 weeks....pain...why do they always promise so much then they are made so poorly.
I have a lot of synths and drum machines that need a lot of line level inputs. So I got a Motu 24Ai and a Motu 828es connected together through AVB and the 828es connected to the computer through Thunderbolt. This gives me a total of 32 line level inputs, 2 mic/instrument inputs, 8 line outputs. For expansion, I can add additional AVB interfaces but I’ll have to add an AVB switch to connect all the AVB devices together. All of this can work at up to 192kHz 24-bit. I don’t use it at this sample rate because it’s too much load on my computer but the audio interfaces have no problems dealing with all these channels.
It's so weird how much we think alike. I have 2x Trinovv SBT2 I have a Studiolive 64S running alongside a 32S Im running a 9.1.6 Studio. I clocked last year that wait up everything made for Studio is utterly buggy never works like they promise but with anything Live it HAS to be stable. Another thing I have discovered is Gig Performer which I use to run my VIs off a few computers. It was driving me utterly mad trying to get through projects. I run AVB and USB at same time and it's solid!
My field mouse does not respect the signal to noise ratio, even though I've explained it thoroughly... any tips in working with critters? 'cause I'm starting to consider new band mates..
Thanks to this video I changed my quest for a next audio interface into the direction you point out here. I'm sold. Soundcraft ui24r in my case - I can even use it for live shows..sreaming a live band and record at the same time.. .thanks a lot!! You rock. Cheers
So I watched this video last April and recently bought the cheapest 'live world' offering - Behringer. Yes, I know... Behringer. But their X18 or XR18 offer 18 tracks in and out of a laptop for £400. If you hate Behringer you can buy the Midas M18 for around a £100 more. It's exactly the same product but it hasn't got Behringer written on it.
Mark is totally right this Presonus Studio Live 3 ecosystem is very clever and great sounding and comes in different sizes and budgets. I took the 64s model after tried a lot of things more expensive and not so powerful (Large format analog console, Avid Control 24, Euphonix MC Control, Avid s3, Steven Slate Raven MTx, Mti, Ssl Nucleus 2...) Now I'm totally happy with my studio live, it's a bargain when you know all the features, and they are a lot more in this video he just had the time to scratch the surface, and it's evolving now you can even plugin Dante devices! Now that I sold my Neve 8816 line summing mixer, the next step is to add a dangerous Mix Bus summing amplifier and for that, they have stage boxes in 8 or 16 channels that you just connect with cat 5, they thought about everything and in case of an issue the support, tech is fast and awesome...
I’m a huge RME fan also. fireface 800 (10years) never once given me a glitch... Babyface (usb) never had a glitch either. Great support, great low latency drivers, (even on a pc- I’m on Mac now!).great company.
@@algarvemike Man, Im about to acquire a FF800... But it seems the power supply is a common problem in the FF800. It might cost me the same as a Behringer UPhoria 1820 interface brand new... What would you advise to me? I'd never tried firewire audio before, and want a super stable setup, and don't waste my money of course.
@@RenatoPernett Anything made by RME in my opinion will be absolutely rocksolid. I have Anything made by RME in my opinion will be absolutely rocksolid. Iv’e had no issues with power supply after over 10 years of use. FireWire is an old technology now, but I simply haven’t had any need at all to upgrade. Latency has been low. Thunderbolt is the way to go for modern appliances but at a substantial cost.
So, had exactly the same situation...old mac tower...motu 24 I/O...just got a mac mini M1 and in the process of getting the Presonus 24R. Thanks for putting in the leg work and giving me the confidence/putting my mind a rest. :)
I moved from a Focusrite Liquid Saffire 56 and OctoPre Dynamic II to a Midas M32R and DL153 Stagebox. Definitely the way forward, especially concerning monitor mixes with reverb, compression, EQ etc! M32 also has SD card and USB recording. If you want 96Khz, I'd recommend the DiGiCo or Allen & Heath route. My next desk will be the compact version of the Behringer Wing if it's ever announced or the Heritage-Air (touchscreen version of Heritage-D) if it's cheap enough!
Totally! Was relating with everything he said, even gave him the THUMBS UP when he said "two decades into the 21st century", but that quickly turned into a thumbs down when I realized the board he's promoting is discontinued. Don't talk crap about ADAT if your equipment couldn't make the grade at all.
@@MarcassCarcass The Studiolive 32S is discontinued? I've been using the 24R for a while now and appreciate how clean it is and the multitude of functionality in such a small footprint.
@@MarcassCarcass Companies are still releasing new gear with ADAT that works with stuff released over 2 decades ago with ADAT. I'm using MOTU 828 mkiis with brand new RME gear and it all talks together and plays nicely. If you're using Windows, it's the best game in town for pulling in large numbers of analog inputs without blowing a fortune.
The StudioLive 32S isn't discontinued according to the PreSonus website, visited with a german IP. Are you trolling or where did you get this info from?
The main issue with a cat5 stagebox in the live room is you can't run outboard pres situated in the control room with it. We have a Behringer X32 and two S16's in our studio but use the X32 with an analog snake through the wall for the control and live room config. I agree though that live music has embraced digital tech way better, and digital consoles are such a great frontend for a studio, especially with headphone monitoring!
Same here. As a live audio engineer getting into streaming artists on IG etc, having an ADAT equipped interface I can transport easily in my back-pack and link back at the studio to my older soundcard I put in stand-alone makes a lot of sense. Most bands don't need more than 10-12 inputs at a time; my MOTU ultralite have up to 18 with ADAT and Toslink connections. Why the hate on ADAT? I don't get it. Yes it's an older protocol but it's still relevant for many people. It's stable. Many home studio owners have an ADAT equipped interface : there is a reason why Audient and MOTU still release interfaces with it.
Hmmm... This is a nice and tandy for someone who wants to get the tracks into a computer. I belong to a group of people who want and need to control the complete signal chain during recording: Mic > preamp > comp > eq / etc > a/d conversion. When you plug in the Presonus you are stuck with the build in preamps and yes can have comps and eq but they will be digital plugins. If you use outboard preamps they still go through the Presonus preamps. For me the only usable option is to have 24 AD only.
I have this exact setup. You can run any audio chain you like ahead of the 24r interface, then finally connect line level with TRS connection into it. You will bypass the 24R's mic preamps and get ultra clear and linear A/D conversion. You will be limited to only 44.1k or 48k recording with this unit. If you need, or THINK you need anything higher, you'll have to find a different solution.
The situation you described with the motu cards was the inspiration for my fifth Hackintosh dubbed Mr Black. The hack was the main studio computer for a few years until we afforded an Apollo interface, and a Mac pro tower! It even hosted old pci HD Cards for a spell, i totally forgot about the motu pci cards! Thanks for the walk down memory lane!
Yes, the hardware supports Windows. You can check out the system requirements and download the software to try it in demo mode on your PC at www.Presonus.com/products/StudioLive-24R/downloads
You can now get thunderbolt 3 to PCI-E slot boxes, they are absurdly expensive for what they are. I'm running a 3 slot one for Video SDI I/O for a presentation machine. I'm surprised there's no market for audio I/O in a similar config. EDIT: I have also seen a few people use Allen & Heath QU series, for I/O just like your presonus. At least the Mac network card supports AVB natively.
@@annekedebruyn7797 Depending on how many Inputs you have (Dante has limits) and how much latency you're willing to deal with and how much you're willing to then shell out for your network switches and cabling and upgrades to ethernet ports and configuration on the network and troubleshooting other network traffic that is causing dropouts (or, if it's a shared network, bandwidth price paid by RTP MIDI latency or data bottlenecks). Network audio is nice, but it's very far from ideal as well...and you're ultimately going to need to install a dedicated network which is not cheap on top of the Dante gear which is even more costly. Just my $0.02, though.
@@Iron_Sharpens_Iron How so? You have a better noise - free OPTICAL digital standard that can convert 100 channels of 48k audio and bring it into any DAW via USB 2.0 for under $30 per channel?!?!
looks great, but I'm interested to know what's so bad about ADAT? I use a thunderbolt interface with 2 ADAT devices running into it (24 ins total + an extra 2 via SPDIF) and they all run fine clocked to the same source
The problem with adat is a matter of those of us who used FireWire interfaces. FireWire is peer to peer so you were able to daisy chain multiple units together instead of having a usb or thunderbolt interface then having to use a different cable to hook up a box that isn’t the same preamps and inputs to expand. I agree that adat is not a great solution
@@Dirt_Serpent I'm looking into PCIe interface cards. Straight to the MOBO. This way this interface has no built in mic pre's, no ADC/DAC, and the only thing it needs to do is "interface" connections in and out of the computer, whilst staying in the digital domain. This way I can have rack Mic pre's Converters, external clock, Trinnov, connected through AES, ADAT, BNC. More cost up front but I won't have to deal with buying new interfaces - everything will be separate and I will be able to route things without going in and out mic pre's and converters like I have to with Apollo Twin. I'd be able to upgrade each component separately without having to buy a new interface
@@dougleydorite i feel like that would be the way to go man. make your stuff future proof. My studio has to run a pc thats ten years old now to run our 3 fire studio interfaces and if it gets updated on windows we can no longer use our 3 fire studios in line as one unit and we would be forced to build an entirely new set up including pc and all.
Thanks for this. I did not realize I actually plug-in the stage box directly to the computer without the desk. This is a great solution. I wish MOTU would update their AVB interfaces to thunderbolt 3. So many interfaces on the market and so few networked options and Dante$ and Digigrid$ are expensive
Nice product placement... There are a lot of nice options that deserves to be mentioned in greater extent, e.g. MADI interface solutions from RME or SPL (Madicon + Madison) or why not the Focusrite Rednet system. And what's wrong with ADAT?
I have a question, but first I want to say that this is the one video that I've been coming back to time after time in my research for opting my studio. Thank you so much! Question: It looks like there is only one CAT-5 port on the 24R and one on the StudioLive32 desk. Is it possible to connect the 24R, 32 desk and computer with CAT-5 cables all simultaneously, or would you have to connect the 24R and 32 desk with the CAT-5 and then connect to the computer via USB? Or maybe there is another option? Again, thank you guys so much for your major contribution to the audio community! People like you deserve a medal.
Thanks for watching! You’re right, there is only one CAT5 port on both the stage box and the mixing desk. You’re correct in saying that you can connect the two together using CAT5, and then connect to a computer using USB, however, you can also get a PreSonus approved AVB switch (it’s very picky on what works, so it MUST be something from their list found online), and then you can connect as many stageboxes as you want, and also go AVB direct into a computer. James :)
2:39 why the "Beuh" at USB for an interface? You pretty much cannot fault it; you can go as high as you could possibly want in terms of raw digital audio fidelity, can send through a separated interface with virtually limitless amounts of channels; it's well-supported and has no latency issues if your PC is spec'd for audio work. I can only guess about your ADAT hatred that it's because they're often low fidelity conversions. But USB is just the communication of the already digitized information; the quality of a-d is of course dependent upon each specific product. I'm just scratching my head here and simply curious as to what your problem with USB could possibly be. I even have PCI multichannel Spdif input slots for 192khz/32bit but I haven't used them in ages. USB does the job better by being able to combine the analog and digital input sources on an interface, and with nice dedicated drivers and on-screen control. It just seems like at least before you went to, AVB - which is great tech indeed but still nowhere near the support level of USB connections - the perfect solution for every problem you mentioned having for the past years, would have been USB.
Yep. RME claims that actually they can get up to about 45 48k channels on just ONE dedicated USB port. One USB 2.0 port!!! It'll be fun to see what they wind up doing with USB 3.0 and up. Then, with Thunderbolt? Fuggedaboutit!
Thanks! I have a question though - what is the problem with adat - I myself expand my apollo via adat to be able to record with 10 inputs (im more of the producing type recorder not really recroding full bands live etc.) and I had no issues at all so far. What exactly is your problem with adat?
Clocking issues, the fact that you lose half your channels if you need to work at higher sample rates for some silly reason, and the fact that if you’re tracking bands, you need at least two 8-channel ADAT expanders on most interfaces, and then it’s double trouble. Also, I’m biased as I had to work on the ADAT machines in the 90s, and that wasn’t fun. At all. I’d like to see more daisy chain-able USB C interfaces - plug one in for 8 channels, plug another one into that for 16, another into that one for 24 etc.
@@PresentDayProduction Have you ever tried making an 'aggregate device' in OS X'x Audio Midi prefs with 2 or more USB interfaces? I've read that this is a possibility for extending inputs.
Many times, and it’s always proven to be unreliable, or given us clocking issues, or just done something really annoying right at a critically creative moment! You can’t beat having all your IO in one box
If you're building a studio from scratch today, audio over IP is the way to go! Many people love the sonic caracter of analogue compressors and mic preamps and consoles and all kinds of analogue gear for good reasons but in the history of men, long analogue cable runs and conectors have not improoved sound quality! For decent quality cabeling between the rooms you have to spend a lot of money if you go analogue so you better pic up a cat5 or 6 Ethernet cable for no money and spend your budget on nicer stuff than on cables... You can get very high quality remote controlable multi mic preamp boxes today like the RMP-D8 vom Rupert Neve Designs that comes with 8 Neve mic preamps. Now to your PCIe problem: If you don't want to rely a very old machine or buy a new pro mac (by the way, the base model that sells for 6k has poor specs and is hardly usable for audio. A pro mac with decent configuration would be more like 20 k...) there is a very simple solution: get rid of the Mac, buy a PC! It comes with tons of PCIe slots and gives you 2x the performance for 1/4 of the price....
Great piece of info. I have a large home setup and have been looking for this answer for the past year. Have 2 Focusrite Saffire Pro 40's. Love the hybrid setup because i learned from the old school way and love the tactile feel of things. Thanks for the info!!!
@@ReneBaas The X32 has 16 midas class pre-amp and the interconnection to the DAW is in USB so you can record your 16 in multitracks in your DAW, I use it to records drums. Plus you can configure all the needed routing for the monitoring (Clic and playback for exemple).
i know this is 4 years ago but im running an asus catalini hackintosh ,2 pcie firewire cards a bunch of firewire units and surfaces even the old digi design factory 002 console works a treatwith 10gb network cards direct to vst and vsti servers.everything just works and still usable in 2024
Unless you need to work at higher sample rates on a project, or have to clock using optical. It’s another point of failure. If I use an interface that claims 24 inputs, I want to see 24 input sockets on the back 😉
@@PresentDayProduction I've got 3 RME Digiface USBs all connected to one PC. Into them, I feed 24 optical cables (12 in, 12 out - 4 pairs on each unit) that then run to 12 Behringer ADA8000s. That gives me 96 channels at 48k or (if I wanted to use faster AD/DA converters from MOTU, for example) I could go up to 48 channels of 96K or 24 channels at 192k. The ADAs can be had for about $120 used and the Digifaces for about $400 each. If you're willing to go used, that's $2,640 for that gear. Throw in some for your adat cables (and, if you really want it, a word clock to drive the thing, though it's not necessary) and a few patchbays to make everything neat and for about $30 per channel, you've got nearly 100 channels of stable, latency - free digital audio that can be recorded on a laptop if you like. Nothing wrong with ADAT and nothing wrong with USB (2.0, believe it or not). The technology has matured and become more reliable. Best part? It's scalable. You can drop $1k to get 32 channels right away and add more as needed. Personal preference, I guess, but no need these days to get fancy. Keep your money.
@@mc2engineeringprof Im old school, i need more mic xlr inputs , only have 16 from 2 interfaces ( 8 and 8). I really dont want to sell the 2 and upgrade, thought i could add on... sweetwater trying to get me to buy tascam analog to dante..
It's a great recommendation. Maybe starting out from scratch, I might have gone down this route as it's more affordable. I'm on PC here, with MOTU. Audient ASP800 works fine over ADAT for me. But, even if it didn't plenty of these newer multi-channel input racks have direct outputs too. The Audient ones are really good for the money. And above that, there's the SSL Pure Drive, Quad and Octo. For me, I find 18 channels is about enough for my tracking needs (8 interface, 8 ADAT, + 2 extra from RME ADI-2 over SPDIF). So between the interface and pres, an ASP800, SSL Pure Drive Quad and a some stereo pairs of 1073-type, CAPI and Cranborne Camden pres do the job. It's nice to be able to mix and match preamp styles. But on the other hand, it does feel a bit overly complex. An Arturia AudioFuse 16 rig is another decent value option that gets you lots of I/O, just add some good affordable 8-channel mic pre racks like the Audients, and can run them analogue if you don't like ADAT.
They’re great - they take a super quiet mic signal and make it louder, with no noticeable noise or distortion and plenty of gain. We’ve recorded probably hundreds of bands with them, both in the studio and live, and I have no complaints at all.
All the issues listed above (and below), plus losing half your channels if a client wants something at higher sample rates, a stupid cable that falls out, JUST THINKING ABOUT ADAT IS MAKING ME ANGRY!!!! 😝
@@PresentDayProduction I would totally watch a whole video explaining (in fiery detail) the shortcoming of ADAT if such a video was out there, jussayin 😉🤷🏼♂️😂
Nothing! I have a MOTU 8Pre-ES as my main module with an older 8Pre connected via lightpipe to give me 8 more mic pres. The ES is also connected via light pipe to my mixer giving me another 8 mic pres. The 8Pre-ES is my clock and I have no issues whatsoever.
@@oig40203 Watch MixBusTv with David Gnozzi , he is (big ) professional audio talking. And he has the same system like you !! ua-cam.com/users/mixbustv . One day i would like to connect this MOTU 8Pres-ES with my UAD Apollo X8 , do you think , it is possible ? Thank you.
Really loved the visual shocks between the audio sources you're enumerating and the illustrating pictures! "Horns" and "strings"... Genius way to eye catch and lighten up your content, while making it all a lot funnier!
This is low key such a great recommendation. I wish this was more well known.
I especially like the StudioLive series because I can get analog sound (eq and compression) on the way in with effectively no latency and hella inputs
The best thing is that the ”stagebox” is actually a complete rack mixer, so via the app it actually makes the mixer on the desk an optional addition for the feel of having physical buttons and faders. But for studios on a budget they can just skip the console mixer, and just have the ”stagebox” as a stand alone mixer.
This guy is a journeymen level power point builder.
Most excellent, he speaks to my ADD.
The first minute was the biggest, most unexpected laugh of the day for me! Thankyou. And based on that one minute (though I'm deciding on spending a lot on a Focusrite Clarett 2Pre because I could then add channels to it via ADAT and have a simple, high-quality performance option too) I've subscribed. Hope you're still going strong; now back to your video. Cheers.
From now on, I am referring to 'cat 5" as "the 5 cats".
2cat lmaoroflmao
Word up 😂
I can definitely confirm this. I came from the same setup with two 24 i/o boxes, a console, and Cubase. I hesitantly sold off my room and bought a Studiolive 32s and Studio One. Holy sh@ this thing is awesome! No random noises to search out, no automation screwing with outboard compression, and beautiful beautiful RECALL! The DAW mode and integration with Studio makes it just like mixing analog, but easier. My biggest hesitation was leaving Cubase, but I feel right at home with Studio One. It actually makes sense considering the two people who created Studio One used to work for Steinburg. 🤘🏻
Thank you so much for this! Appreciate you!
I want more inputs in my electronic music studio - currently 16 (8 x 2) using USB and ADAT! Is this sort of kit possible? Using a Windows 10 PC.
@@awpMusic1 I have 40 plus synths and use RME digiface interface into cheapo ADAT A/D converters, Behringer ADA8200 etc. Gives me 32 channels of line in for the synths and all accessible in my DAW. Latency is good at 48k (256 samples = 5 sec input and 5 sec output). I like the stageboxes shown in this video but wonder what the latency is on windows PC say using a Klarke Technic CAt5 to USB
@@waheex might be on the spec sheet? i mean since it is an AI it might have some roundtrip value specified as standard
I've been using Soundcraft's Ui24R for three years now and I can't recommend it enough: excellent live mixer with 22 physical inputs and 10 outputs;, 32 x 32 USB interface with 24 channel multi-track recording and playback on the desk, as well as being an HTML5 web server, which means there's no app. It is completely agnostic to platform: phones, tablets, laptops, it doesn't care what controls it.
AND IT SOUNDS AWESOME!!
Likewise! I’ve had mine for about the same time. Recently went browsing for something better to replace it. There’s nothing out there which does everything the Ui24r does. A&H QuSB comes close but is iPad only.
Things are descibed as agnostic! LMFAO!
It can do 32in and out, it’ll sound like shit the other end
Same here.
I like that it records straight to a USB drive and/or a computer.
Recording redundancy is one of the reasons that I bought it. Another reason is the ability to control it on a web browser page that anyone can access, rather than an app.
I've been using the little brother, the Ui16, for 3 years or better for our church. It's doing just fine, it sounds good, it's flexible enough to run FOH and a secondary aux master stereo to feed into my Studio One DAW to process my Livestream. The USB record and playback slots are nice as well. One big bonus for live sound is these have dbx AFS² feedback suppression built-in.
Biggest drawback? I've run out of inputs. So to remedy it I might go up to the Ui24 or better yet go with Presonus StudioLive 24R, and mix on Studio One and/or their UC Control surface.
So glad I still have my 20 year old Motu 24io, running flawlessly through an analog desk and a PC not connected to the internet!
I’m a FOH engineer I could tell you that my dream studio rig would be an SSL L200 console with a pair of remote I/O boxes. I used the L series for live events for over 4 years, mixing Foh, monitors, and A/V and to be honest live gear is superior nowadays! The job gets done, your sound is amazing and musicians are happy and inspired.
I am currently planning out a studio running of a Yamaha TF5 console paired with a couple Tio Boxes all because I just got tired of Apple upgrading their hardware and my audio gear becomes obsolete. You have a good point there!
Yes! We’ve been using a live desk for tracking for years, and more studio people need to look to live world for better workflow AND better sound quality now!
In my job, which is to compose music and make audio post for documentaries, they think to buy me a yamaha TF1, I'm close to saying no, to buy by my own limited means a specialized AD-DA card like the LYNX AuroraN, or focusrite Rednet 16 T. The question I ask everyone, since I don't have a way to test both devices, will there be such a difference in audio quality, to record, mix or master? The thing is that sound quality is quality of life for me.
@@wampampiror3 use a 30 day money back to test one
'flight case that weighs the same as Birmingham'......dying lol. been running audio via cat 5 since 2004 via EmU 1820m PCi. I had no idea that CAT 5 was capable of such high channel counts. Dude thank you.
analog has physical limitations where digital doesn't and that's how it all begins
Finally, someone in a video that explains it so well! ❤️Thank you so much! 🗣Awesomeness!!!
Oh, how I've searched and searched to find a video on how to record my bear in a bag. Thank you @PresentDayProduction!
I am happy I found this channel! Authentic and informative. I do not get some of the commenters are so 'offended' 🤗 It is just opinions and sharing thoughts on audio. What fits you good is good! I am on a PC and never knew apple is going that way. Flexibilty of Cat5 is such a great oportunity when I am mixing FOH and all techs coming to the venue I am house engineering. It is so fast and flexible. ADAT is good, if you are not chaining too much stuff. I am expanding my ID14 with the new ultragain in my home and for rehearsal room recordings. That is super okay. Bjt I get the point that it is annoying when running your studio network. Great video!
Thank you. After a LOT of (mainly fruitless) research, your video was what I needed to steer me towards my StudioLive 32SC. I couldn't be happier.
lol. Ever since I started using a great external clock, non of my ADAT stuff has any issues at all. But this is a great video! Thanks!!
@eterna2k7 Wrong person, but I just use an ART Syncgen. I used to use a BLA micro clock mkii, but it just died on me and I didn't want to spend the money. The ART clock has been working great since. 👍
I used the Presonus 32R in my studio… I can’t even begin to describe how powerful & versatile it is!!!
this was the video that made me buy a used Soundcraft Ui24 and hopefully I won't need to borrow gear any more. Plus I don't need no app for control as it's browser based. Thanks a lot! you rock!
Totally agree with all of this. I bought the Studiolive 32SC console last year and have never looked back. 👍
I love our band's Soundcraft Ui24R. We're a 10 piece band (just about clinging on in these times). I was hesitant at first not having physical sliders and knobs but it's a great unit that can double as an audio interface for £600 for 22 physical mic inputs and 8 physical outputs.
Great for a small studio, two can be daisy chained and it can record to usb stick simultaneously.
Wondering when we'll get to use it again...
Nikolaki, I have the UI-16. How are you guys connecting your stage box to the computer. I tried the cat-5 cable but windows 10 or my DAW (Reaper) doesn't recognize it. The UI-16 doesn't multi-track record on the usb, only a stereo track but I thought I might get lucky with the cat-5. I can't find any info on this topic, any help/advice would be appreciated, thanks!
@@HenryC7625Sadly the Ui16 only gives out a stereo feed as a USB audio interface. I think the Ui24r is the only model in that series to offer multitrack + stereo to USB. The cat5 connection is only used to access the web interface and in the case of Ui24r also allows two units to be cascaded.
I had one of those, it's a great thing and cheap for what it does. I changed to the Studiolive S3 and I'm much happier with physical, moving faders.
Me too. Ui24r all the way. No need for the band to install apps on our devices thanks to html mixer control. Love mine.
I love it too, except there are no dang digital outputs on this digital mixer!!
NICE !!! I'm glad you're the PreSonus team! 👍🏻
Live world is very cool. I have a MADI interface which allows me to connect directly into some live consoles and also allows me to expand inputs. Dante is very nice too
"A medium sized shrub" I love this guy way too much
So glad I found this channel last week, cheers!
Just started watching this. Liked the video already just because of his delivery and humor. The five "Cats" pun 😂 Wished I could like this video more than once 😄
Massively enjoyable information. So Funny when sarcastic!
Because i love my analogue desk i went with antilope orion with 32 ins and outs!! In 1u unit!!! It sounds great!!!
The Orion is an incredible unit, good choice!!
When you can buy a 3000 Euro audio interface and can't even care enough to know how its name is spelled, you've got too much money... (It's "Antelope", btw.)
@@MrGul dude misspelled something whilst writing something on the internet, why get personal?
@@holiosys To me, it has to do with respect and care. Not only towards the brand (Antelope in this case) but also towards other people who will read what you write. If I wanted to praise a brand/company/person, I would definitely treat it with enough respect and care to write the name properly. However, it seems I'm quite the exception in thinking like that, judging by the majority of comments.
@@MrGul Those are your personal values.. and you're free to post them. The ideology of imposing those personal values on others is in my eyes flawed. What may be important to you may not be important to the next. a lot of it boils down to tolerance and passing a little less judgment. All I saw was a typo or maybe someone who isn't perfectly apt in spelling or whatever.. assumptions ... .. tolerance.
Love ADAT! 24 channels direct to desk in and out with RME HDSP on PCI at 3ms, 48khz. Absolutely no issues in over 10 years. Mind you I'm not running a hugely overpriced Apple box! Just a fast i7 window box. Kerrrching!!
What desk?
@@G_handle Spirit Digital 328 by Soundcraft. Quite underrated and functionally ahead of it's time, albeit pretty dated now. I think the Behringer X32 is modeled on it with some obvious modern upgrades. It's been my console, hub/converter for the RME and controller for Cubase for a good 10 years now.
@@sizzloh Dated....hmmm.
I have so many thoughts right now.
First, I still have and still love my 32-channel Soundcraft Ghost.
Your Spirit Digital always intrigued me, though I never got my hands on one, and had nearly forgotten about it.
It triggers one of my reactions to this, pretty ridiculous video though...
Your board, if I'm not mistaken, has in addition to the Alesis lightpipe I/O, Tascam's answer to 8-channel Digital in the form of DB-25s.
The DA-88s had that TDIF?, and the ADATs had Lightpipe. That Soundcraft has both.
My point being that, my reaction to his hatred of ADAT still being around, is look at it the other way. That DIGITAL format, has lasted since the 90s. What other digital anything is still being manufactured on brand new equipment today.
I was excited that the new Universal Audio Apollo x4, not only has ADAT in, like my Twins do, but also ADAT Out, which makes that a powerful little box for $1700 if you then add a $300 Behringer ADA8200 giving you 8 mediocre Mic Pres if you need em, but more importantly 8 line level Cirrus Logic A/Ds and 8 D/As, in addition to the 4-Unison Pres or Line-ins, 6 line-outs, +HPs from UA. Yes two grand, but that's a serious Hybrid/Hardware Inserts/Analog Stem Processing/Summing rig.
Add to that an SSL SiX 12:2 mixer for $1500 and some Mogami to hook it all up, and Sonically you in the money for under four Gs.
And the ADAT makes it possible!
UA ain't gonna give you 16 more converters for $300 more bucks.
But throwing lightpipe on the back and letting it flow through the thunderbolt costs hardly anything extra.
Anyway, it's also ironic that he's praising Live World for being ahead of the curve, when it was live world and boards like yours, and the omnipresent O2Rs that hooked into RME interfaces in the first place.
He said something like, " ..."it can only do 4 channels at 96k for some reason ". Yeah, bandwidth!
Since SMUX, your ADAT has been able to do 8-channels at 1x (44.1/48k), 4-channels at 2x (88.2/96k), and 2-channels at 4x (176.4 I guess, never seen that, but 192k). AND those fiber optics can run 2-channels of SPDIF, at great distances.
I've been using this format for decades now, with not a single problem I can remember.
It took some dude on UA-cam, talking smack like a Gear Slut with a camera, to make me stop and appreciate the exact opposite of whatever the hell he thought he was saying.
Whilst the ADAT machines have all rightly gone to e-waste, the ADAT format has served us well. And well into the third decade of the twenty-first century.
I bought a apogee 16/16 in/out that uses thunderbolt in 2014 and it still works fine.
I still rock a MOTU 24 IO, upgraded the power supply with better caps and it shreds in 2020, sounds solid!
Great units!
@Chad Gillihan Yeah, a friend of mine (who has a steadier hand than I) and myself ripped it apart and replaced the stock power caps with Nichicon Golds with much beter ESR rating, giving the opamps and converters a more steady power supply. It definitely opened up the highs and when we compared it to his shiny new cranborne 500 series converter, MOTU sounded smoother and more natural. Definitely recommend the mod at least for peace of mind, but one warning: make sure the caps are the same height, mine aren't and the lid can't close (which doesn't matter as it sits free in a loose top rack space on a patch bay.
You fucking committed to that joke at the beginning and just for that you deserve a like.
A very good video in general. I'd like more background on why you don't like the ADAT standard. I can think of some limitations regarding shorter cable lengths (relative to ethernet type solutions) unless you use ADAT extenders which also use ethernet. You lose half the input if you record at 96k with SMUX (not necessary but some insist on it) . Other than that it has served me very well. I've been using RME interfaces for decades now with very low latency at 32 samples. Very straight forward and reliable for me.
The integrated live solution makes a lot of sense. You could almost pay for this outright by the money you save in long cable runs.
Glad we have the Studiolive Series III SX32 and 16r when our church upgraded from analog to digital. Didn't regret it. In fact everyone loved it! Felt like we brought a studio into church, haha! Our drums are semi-caged and use the mics to run and blend with Slate Trigger, our guitars and bass on vst guitar plugins, vocals with iZtope Nectar + Melodyne ARA2! The Capture App bundle is fantastic along-side running the free OBS Studio for streaming or just purely recording the cameras. The stage is clean and amp-less. I run fx and processing combining both the power of the DAW & plugins and the in-built channel strip of this board. Really taking advantage of the remote control. You can indeed do a lot with our present "Live" equipment when you bring it into the studio. It's a match made in heaven!
Ps. Even without internet, as long as you're connected to the router via Cat6/WiFi, it'll work. We bought our model last July, 2021. And to other viewers who are curious about the remote control app that musicians use that he mentioned in the vid, they're Aux sends. Their personal mixes will not interfere nor affect the main mix in the control room. It's just plainly a monitor signal feed where you have full control like adding "more ME"! Happy mixing everybody and cheers to the amazing vid!
Just the begining was spectacular
I use a 8 input Zoom R24 (16 when I link my 2 recorders together) and it works great for live recording. I love this recorder, it has a sampler a mini drum machine and much more.
I run a x32 rack with x touch controller and Midas dl16 stage box and it’s fantastic!
Thats why I love using the X32 for many years. 😂
THIS IS AMAZING U MADE IT ACTUALLY EXCITING
Been installing the range of Allen&Heath SQ or QU in studios for about 8 years now. First people are like but this is a live mixer? Yes but look at the flexibility you get… all the headphone mixes, the Daw control, mix or remote record from any position. Yes personally I still have my ISAs on front of this but 99% of musicians cannot hear the sound difference… it is way more about room, how loud is the backing or more me, how much food and coffee everyone has had than an boutique system that is way too complex! Live world is miles ahead on cost performance. Great video!
I just learned so much. Thank you for this video
Yes, it’s fantastic! I went with the Behringer X-32 desk because at the time, the Presonus digital consoles had a shut-off problem, so X-32 it was...and I don’t regret it. The X-32 is situated on my left side and is connected via cat-5 to a router, my Mac to the router as well for X-Edit which can completely control my X-32 from my Mac (and is showing on an external monitor at all time). Another Cat-5 from the router to my X-Touch controlling the X-32 faders, pans and such on top of controlling my DAW (Logic X) right in front of me in a small form factor! It’s fantastic! Next purchase is indeed the digital stage box!
Any link to details on ADAT problems? Other than "bad," I didn't pick much up about that. thx.
@Michael Hansen Yeah. No one really needs more than 48kHz, and these guys have explained that really well.
My main issue with ADAT is how fragile the optical connectors and cables are
Had a quick look around, and seems like it probably works, but basically has been superseded by other connection protocols and physical connectors by now. These newer ones will support more channels and higher sample rates over a single cable, eg. the cat-5 (computer LAN cable) that the presenter Mark is talking about in the video. LAN cables are also dirt cheap and easily available.
@@nicolashauss4075 And how old and dated the protocol is. It's from the beginning of the 90's! MADI is better but was never adopted to the same degree, is still a a very expensive solution (which pretty much only RME still uses) and it also uses the same fragile optical cables most of the time.
maybe i'm lucky but ADAT into a RME digiface is rock solid and any optical connector over about 2£ is pretty sold and thanks to the digital is best push, I bagged a NAGRA T for £50
My 4-track cassette never suddenly vanished in the middle of doing a song. It had absolutely no latency, and it didn’t have a “scoot the track by millimeters left or right” button, because the tracks were always in perfect alignment, every single time.
I'm curious to know why you don't like ADAT actually.
I'm personally looking into ADAT expansion with and RME PCIe ADAT card and a couple of Clarett OctoPres (or maybe similar Audient ones, haven't decided yet), because it seems quite easy and more customisable. I'm also on Windows so I don't have the issue of not having PCIe slots (or having to spend lots of money to get PCIe slots).
So yeah, I'm curious why you don't like ADAT?
My personal opinion, more moving parts/wires gives more points for failure. Sometimes I travel record events on the fly. Id hate to lose half of my inputs because of a loose cable lol. One big piece of hardware seems more secure to me
@@dariencharlton4773 Never had a problem with ADAT in 20 years other than its channel count and sample frequency limitations. I've used a lot of different stuff.
Thank you so much for the information, I’m planing to buy both, rack and regular mixer to record my band and create demos and this video answer all my questions.!!!
Oscar Sanchez you don't need the rack mixer if you have the desk mixer.
I don’t get the adat hate. Works great.
I've got 3 firepods with 24 XLR/Line analog ins on the front, 200 bucks all together including the firewire card, can't complain
While I do agree that live solutions have a nice workflow for cheap, but analog signal path on most of these things suck. To achieve high studio quality you’ll definitely need external preamps, compressors, etc. now if you want a similar experience you can go for antelope audio, which sells 32 quality interfaces, though i hear they have issues. The reason why Apollos are so expensive is because they are MORE than JUST an interface. They have some of the best plugins on the market along with some of the best a/d conversion and some of the cleanest analog pres, which can then be modeled after top of the line hardware. If you don’t need mic pres (since you’ll probably wanna replace those on the presonus anyway and you mentioned using a 24 i/o from MOTU previously), you can grab 2 of the 16 i/o version.
That being said the live world has always had great tools for the studio. I started with a Mackie mixer with stereo outputs into an interface so i could have more mic pres. I would down mix the drums from the mixer and record stereo for drums. Now the latest versions of those mixers have multi track outs via USB or AVB. What I’ve found though is that the drivers/built in mixer and such isn’t as good or stable as others. though in the live sound world presonus is probably the best deal. But it ISN’T STUDIO GRADE. so maybe starting out to accomplish goals it’s good, but long term you’re gonna wanna replace it.
The feature of having artists use an ipad to mix their headphone mixes is an incredible idea! Did you know most DAWs have their own iPad app? with pro tools they can do their own headphone mixes, just setup a bunch of aux tracks and let them play with the sends, or create a few buses that send to the outputs they’ll be listening to and only show them their tracks.
As someone who live streams for the last 2+ years it’s become a hybrid of a live setup and a studio setup. I use studio grade interfaces (Apollo/audient), but I have friends who use live mixers and interfaces. The mixer is often used for easy hands on control of the stream and the interface for sound quality. Often using the interface’s superior conversion or preamps.
Anyway i appreciate that videos like this exist, so many people don’t realize how powerful the live world can be in the studio (especially AVB and Dante setups).
This is the smartest engineer I've encountered in my lifetime...
Wow, this is such a logical setup. I wonder if you could set up a Dolby Atmos surround set-up via the 24R since the output count wouldn't be an issue. But no idea how the Dolby matrixes are set up
You certainly could - if you’re mixing music for Dolby Atmos then the final render can be done in software, so you could use the 24R for multichannel monitoring. Both ProTools and Steinberg Nuendo offer support for Atmos built in. For cinema release you need to be certified, and there is dedicated hardware the render has to be mastered to.
I have pretty much the same set up with the 24R, just I have the 24 channel desk, rather than the 32. I also added some of the MOTU AVB interfaces (24Ai and 16A), plus some extra i/o chained off those using *(whispers)* ADAT ! All in, I have 128 inputs and 64 outputs available simultaneously and it all goes through a single Thunderbolt cable from the 16A into the Mac! The MOTUs and the Presonus kit play together pretty well over AVB, you just need an AVB router if you have more than 2 AVB devices. The 24R is great value for money and you can build from there really easily if you need to.
ADAT works great with my RME fireface. It has never let me down in 17 years
RME Don’t play around! They can get better latency via USB2.0 than other interfaces using Thunderbolt! Love RME equipment, it is simply superb and yes, ADAT is rock solid on their hardware!
Love this hilarious 5 Cats approach, no Moles yet. hahahahah. Cheers!
I recently bought the Soundcraft Signature 22mtk which gives me 24 in and 22 out. Comes with legendary ghost preamps and 2 x lexicon fx engines plus loads of other goodies. For a band or studio on a budget you won’t find better for under £600. Plus for live use it comes with my favourite button that mutes all channels except the last stereo channel 21/22 so you can play background music. It’s just full of little tricks that make sense in the real world. Check it out.
I have one (and a 16 ch) love it except they seem to have forgotten to store the efx settings so when you power down you'll have to reset any of those from scratch. Unless I’m missing something (??) but I spoke with them or other tech support and apparently it was overlooked. It's inexpensive so no analog direct outs (or inserts if I recall, it's been mothballed since COVID) and one channel seems to have crapped out)
Hopefully yours won't crap out after 11 months like mine did.
MY Soundcraft 22mk Crapped out on me after less than a year, the company I called , they didnt give a toss really, I reckon its a good idea but poorly executed, probably cheap circuits, channels stopped working, one every 2 weeks....pain...why do they always promise so much then they are made so poorly.
@@fatdrunkbaby24 I will never buy Soundcraft again.
I have a lot of synths and drum machines that need a lot of line level inputs. So I got a Motu 24Ai and a Motu 828es connected together through AVB and the 828es connected to the computer through Thunderbolt. This gives me a total of 32 line level inputs, 2 mic/instrument inputs, 8 line outputs. For expansion, I can add additional AVB interfaces but I’ll have to add an AVB switch to connect all the AVB devices together. All of this can work at up to 192kHz 24-bit. I don’t use it at this sample rate because it’s too much load on my computer but the audio interfaces have no problems dealing with all these channels.
0:42 I'm afraid you forgot the partridge in a pear tree, Mark
It's so weird how much we think alike. I have 2x Trinovv SBT2 I have a Studiolive 64S running alongside a 32S Im running a 9.1.6 Studio. I clocked last year that wait up everything made for Studio is utterly buggy never works like they promise but with anything Live it HAS to be stable. Another thing I have discovered is Gig Performer which I use to run my VIs off a few computers. It was driving me utterly mad trying to get through projects. I run AVB and USB at same time and it's solid!
My field mouse does not respect the signal to noise ratio, even though I've explained it thoroughly... any tips in working with critters? 'cause I'm starting to consider new band mates..
Thanks to this video I changed my quest for a next audio interface into the direction you point out here. I'm sold. Soundcraft ui24r in my case - I can even use it for live shows..sreaming a live band and record at the same time.. .thanks a lot!! You rock. Cheers
So I watched this video last April and recently bought the cheapest 'live world' offering - Behringer. Yes, I know... Behringer. But their X18 or XR18 offer 18 tracks in and out of a laptop for £400. If you hate Behringer you can buy the Midas M18 for around a £100 more. It's exactly the same product but it hasn't got Behringer written on it.
They’re often unjustifiably slagged off, but work a treat and sound great
Mark is totally right this Presonus Studio Live 3 ecosystem is very clever and great sounding and comes in different sizes and budgets. I took the 64s model after tried a lot of things more expensive and not so powerful (Large format analog console, Avid Control 24, Euphonix MC Control, Avid s3, Steven Slate Raven MTx, Mti, Ssl Nucleus 2...)
Now I'm totally happy with my studio live, it's a bargain when you know all the features, and they are a lot more in this video he just had the time to scratch the surface, and it's evolving now you can even plugin Dante devices! Now that I sold my Neve 8816 line summing mixer, the next step is to add a dangerous Mix Bus summing amplifier and for that, they have stage boxes in 8 or 16 channels that you just connect with cat 5, they thought about everything and in case of an issue the support, tech is fast and awesome...
USB bluh??? You never had a RME interface because their USB is awesome.
100% agreed. I've tried almost every sub 2k usb io and only the antelope stuff comes close to RME sound
I’m a huge RME fan also. fireface 800 (10years) never once given me a glitch... Babyface (usb) never had a glitch either. Great support, great low latency drivers, (even on a pc- I’m on Mac now!).great company.
@@algarvemike Man, Im about to acquire a FF800... But it seems the power supply is a common problem in the FF800. It might cost me the same as a Behringer UPhoria 1820 interface brand new... What would you advise to me? I'd never tried firewire audio before, and want a super stable setup, and don't waste my money of course.
@@RenatoPernett Anything made by RME in my opinion will be absolutely rocksolid. I have Anything made by RME in my opinion will be absolutely rocksolid. Iv’e had no issues with power supply after over 10 years of use.
FireWire is an old technology now, but I simply haven’t had any need at all to upgrade. Latency has been low.
Thunderbolt is the way to go for modern appliances but at a substantial cost.
Ding! We have a winner!!
So, had exactly the same situation...old mac tower...motu 24 I/O...just got a mac mini M1 and in the process of getting the Presonus 24R. Thanks for putting in the leg work and giving me the confidence/putting my mind a rest. :)
I would like to know why you dislike ADAT so much?
I moved from a Focusrite Liquid Saffire 56 and OctoPre Dynamic II to a Midas M32R and DL153 Stagebox.
Definitely the way forward, especially concerning monitor mixes with reverb, compression, EQ etc! M32 also has SD card and USB recording.
If you want 96Khz, I'd recommend the DiGiCo or Allen & Heath route.
My next desk will be the compact version of the Behringer Wing if it's ever announced or the Heritage-Air (touchscreen version of Heritage-D) if it's cheap enough!
You know what sucks WAY more than ADAT, companies that discontinue products, like your mixing board there.
Totally! Was relating with everything he said, even gave him the THUMBS UP when he said "two decades into the 21st century", but that quickly turned into a thumbs down when I realized the board he's promoting is discontinued. Don't talk crap about ADAT if your equipment couldn't make the grade at all.
Definitely !
@@MarcassCarcass The Studiolive 32S is discontinued? I've been using the 24R for a while now and appreciate how clean it is and the multitude of functionality in such a small footprint.
@@MarcassCarcass Companies are still releasing new gear with ADAT that works with stuff released over 2 decades ago with ADAT. I'm using MOTU 828 mkiis with brand new RME gear and it all talks together and plays nicely.
If you're using Windows, it's the best game in town for pulling in large numbers of analog inputs without blowing a fortune.
The StudioLive 32S isn't discontinued according to the PreSonus website, visited with a german IP. Are you trolling or where did you get this info from?
The main issue with a cat5 stagebox in the live room is you can't run outboard pres situated in the control room with it. We have a Behringer X32 and two S16's in our studio but use the X32 with an analog snake through the wall for the control and live room config. I agree though that live music has embraced digital tech way better, and digital consoles are such a great frontend for a studio, especially with headphone monitoring!
You never really explained why ADAT isn't a great solution!
Yeah, never had a single issue with ADAT over the last 20 years.
I am wondering too
Same here. As a live audio engineer getting into streaming artists on IG etc, having an ADAT equipped interface I can transport easily in my back-pack and link back at the studio to my older soundcard I put in stand-alone makes a lot of sense. Most bands don't need more than 10-12 inputs at a time; my MOTU ultralite have up to 18 with ADAT and Toslink connections. Why the hate on ADAT? I don't get it. Yes it's an older protocol but it's still relevant for many people. It's stable. Many home studio owners have an ADAT equipped interface : there is a reason why Audient and MOTU still release interfaces with it.
Hmmm... This is a nice and tandy for someone who wants to get the tracks into a computer. I belong to a group of people who want and need to control the complete signal chain during recording: Mic > preamp > comp > eq / etc > a/d conversion. When you plug in the Presonus you are stuck with the build in preamps and yes can have comps and eq but they will be digital plugins. If you use outboard preamps they still go through the Presonus preamps. For me the only usable option is to have 24 AD only.
I have this exact setup. You can run any audio chain you like ahead of the 24r interface, then finally connect line level with TRS connection into it. You will bypass the 24R's mic preamps and get ultra clear and linear A/D conversion. You will be limited to only 44.1k or 48k recording with this unit. If you need, or THINK you need anything higher, you'll have to find a different solution.
Ex live sound guy here,,, No Multicore YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
It’s a DREAM. One cable along the entire venue! No more cable snakes!
The situation you described with the motu cards was the inspiration for my fifth Hackintosh dubbed Mr Black. The hack was the main studio computer for a few years until we afforded an Apollo interface, and a Mac pro tower! It even hosted old pci HD Cards for a spell, i totally forgot about the motu pci cards! Thanks for the walk down memory lane!
Great video
Please, this piecevof gear can work with Windows, right?
Thanks!
Yes, the hardware supports Windows. You can check out the system requirements and download the software to try it in demo mode on your PC at www.Presonus.com/products/StudioLive-24R/downloads
Incredible Video and so important to keep coming to it over and over again. Cheers!
You had me at the cat (not 5)
You can now get thunderbolt 3 to PCI-E slot boxes, they are absurdly expensive for what they are. I'm running a 3 slot one for Video SDI I/O for a presentation machine. I'm surprised there's no market for audio I/O in a similar config.
EDIT: I have also seen a few people use Allen & Heath QU series, for I/O just like your presonus.
At least the Mac network card supports AVB natively.
Honest question: what's wrong with ADAT?
Absolutely nothing.
Tho Ethernet is much more superior in many cases.
@@annekedebruyn7797 Depending on how many Inputs you have (Dante has limits) and how much latency you're willing to deal with and how much you're willing to then shell out for your network switches and cabling and upgrades to ethernet ports and configuration on the network and troubleshooting other network traffic that is causing dropouts (or, if it's a shared network, bandwidth price paid by RTP MIDI latency or data bottlenecks). Network audio is nice, but it's very far from ideal as well...and you're ultimately going to need to install a dedicated network which is not cheap on top of the Dante gear which is even more costly.
Just my $0.02, though.
Nothing, just outdated.
@@Iron_Sharpens_Iron Music is outdated
@@Iron_Sharpens_Iron How so? You have a better noise - free OPTICAL digital standard that can convert 100 channels of 48k audio and bring it into any DAW via USB 2.0 for under $30 per channel?!?!
What a brilliant review 😊 Thanks a lot
looks great, but I'm interested to know what's so bad about ADAT? I use a thunderbolt interface with 2 ADAT devices running into it (24 ins total + an extra 2 via SPDIF) and they all run fine clocked to the same source
I’d also like to know what’s the big deal with ADAT
The problem with adat is a matter of those of us who used FireWire interfaces. FireWire is peer to peer so you were able to daisy chain multiple units together instead of having a usb or thunderbolt interface then having to use a different cable to hook up a box that isn’t the same preamps and inputs to expand. I agree that adat is not a great solution
@@Dirt_Serpent I'm looking into PCIe interface cards. Straight to the MOBO. This way this interface has no built in mic pre's, no ADC/DAC, and the only thing it needs to do is "interface" connections in and out of the computer, whilst staying in the digital domain. This way I can have rack Mic pre's Converters, external clock, Trinnov, connected through AES, ADAT, BNC.
More cost up front but I won't have to deal with buying new interfaces - everything will be separate and I will be able to route things without going in and out mic pre's and converters like I have to with Apollo Twin. I'd be able to upgrade each component separately without having to buy a new interface
@@dougleydorite i feel like that would be the way to go man. make your stuff future proof. My studio has to run a pc thats ten years old now to run our 3 fire studio interfaces and if it gets updated on windows we can no longer use our 3 fire studios in line as one unit and we would be forced to build an entirely new set up including pc and all.
@@dougleydorite and we would have to commit to thousands of dollars on new interfaces and all that bs too
Thanks for this. I did not realize I actually plug-in the stage box directly to the computer without the desk. This is a great solution. I wish MOTU would update their AVB interfaces to thunderbolt 3. So many interfaces on the market and so few networked options and Dante$ and Digigrid$ are expensive
Nice product placement... There are a lot of nice options that deserves to be mentioned in greater extent, e.g. MADI interface solutions from RME or SPL (Madicon + Madison) or why not the Focusrite Rednet system. And what's wrong with ADAT?
What is wrong with ADAT? Good question.
I have a question, but first I want to say that this is the one video that I've been coming back to time after time in my research for opting my studio. Thank you so much!
Question: It looks like there is only one CAT-5 port on the 24R and one on the StudioLive32 desk. Is it possible to connect the 24R, 32 desk and computer with CAT-5 cables all simultaneously, or would you have to connect the 24R and 32 desk with the CAT-5 and then connect to the computer via USB? Or maybe there is another option?
Again, thank you guys so much for your major contribution to the audio community! People like you deserve a medal.
Thanks for watching!
You’re right, there is only one CAT5 port on both the stage box and the mixing desk. You’re correct in saying that you can connect the two together using CAT5, and then connect to a computer using USB, however, you can also get a PreSonus approved AVB switch (it’s very picky on what works, so it MUST be something from their list found online), and then you can connect as many stageboxes as you want, and also go AVB direct into a computer.
James :)
2:39 why the "Beuh" at USB for an interface? You pretty much cannot fault it; you can go as high as you could possibly want in terms of raw digital audio fidelity, can send through a separated interface with virtually limitless amounts of channels; it's well-supported and has no latency issues if your PC is spec'd for audio work. I can only guess about your ADAT hatred that it's because they're often low fidelity conversions. But USB is just the communication of the already digitized information; the quality of a-d is of course dependent upon each specific product. I'm just scratching my head here and simply curious as to what your problem with USB could possibly be.
I even have PCI multichannel Spdif input slots for 192khz/32bit but I haven't used them in ages. USB does the job better by being able to combine the analog and digital input sources on an interface, and with nice dedicated drivers and on-screen control.
It just seems like at least before you went to, AVB - which is great tech indeed but still nowhere near the support level of USB connections - the perfect solution for every problem you mentioned having for the past years, would have been USB.
Yep. RME claims that actually they can get up to about 45 48k channels on just ONE dedicated USB port. One USB 2.0 port!!! It'll be fun to see what they wind up doing with USB 3.0 and up.
Then, with Thunderbolt? Fuggedaboutit!
Immediately subscribed on the list of potential band set ups.
Thanks! I have a question though - what is the problem with adat - I myself expand my apollo via adat to be able to record with 10 inputs (im more of the producing type recorder not really recroding full bands live etc.) and I had no issues at all so far. What exactly is your problem with adat?
Clocking issues, the fact that you lose half your channels if you need to work at higher sample rates for some silly reason, and the fact that if you’re tracking bands, you need at least two 8-channel ADAT expanders on most interfaces, and then it’s double trouble. Also, I’m biased as I had to work on the ADAT machines in the 90s, and that wasn’t fun. At all. I’d like to see more daisy chain-able USB C interfaces - plug one in for 8 channels, plug another one into that for 16, another into that one for 24 etc.
@@PresentDayProduction Have you ever tried making an 'aggregate device' in OS X'x Audio Midi prefs with 2 or more USB interfaces? I've read that this is a possibility for extending inputs.
Many times, and it’s always proven to be unreliable, or given us clocking issues, or just done something really annoying right at a critically creative moment! You can’t beat having all your IO in one box
If you're building a studio from scratch today, audio over IP is the way to go! Many people love the sonic caracter of analogue compressors and mic preamps and consoles and all kinds of analogue gear for good reasons but in the history of men, long analogue cable runs and conectors have not improoved sound quality! For decent quality cabeling between the rooms you have to spend a lot of money if you go analogue so you better pic up a cat5 or 6 Ethernet cable for no money and spend your budget on nicer stuff than on cables... You can get very high quality remote controlable multi mic preamp boxes today like the RMP-D8 vom Rupert Neve Designs that comes with 8 Neve mic preamps.
Now to your PCIe problem: If you don't want to rely a very old machine or buy a new pro mac (by the way, the base model that sells for 6k has poor specs and is hardly usable for audio. A pro mac with decent configuration would be more like 20 k...) there is a very simple solution: get rid of the Mac, buy a PC! It comes with tons of PCIe slots and gives you 2x the performance for 1/4 of the price....
Great piece of info. I have a large home setup and have been looking for this answer for the past year. Have 2 Focusrite Saffire Pro 40's. Love the hybrid setup because i learned from the old school way and love the tactile feel of things. Thanks for the info!!!
Thank you fine sir! You just saved me from several months of grief!
I find minor-sized shrubs to be quite challenging from a recording perspective tbh
Gerstenprinz it's hard to get enough level out of them.
@@officialWWM Yup, that's why I always demand a full shrubbery
With the Berhinger X32 Rack you can do all and have the full mixer integrated for monitoring and all the stuff.
That's a nice device for it's price as well, but it has less inputs and it's in a totally different ballpark in respect to interconnecting to a DAW.
@@ReneBaas The X32 has 16 midas class pre-amp and the interconnection to the DAW is in USB so you can record your 16 in multitracks in your DAW, I use it to records drums. Plus you can configure all the needed routing for the monitoring (Clic and playback for exemple).
I only have two rabbits and a deer. Can I still get a decent recording?
Ideally you need three rabbits, but you can double one with a plugin and nobody will know, they’ll be distracted by the majesty of the deer
totally depends on vintage. Some swear by late '50s rabbits but personally I think modern rabbits are fine once they've had a proper setup.
i know this is 4 years ago but im running an asus catalini hackintosh ,2 pcie firewire cards a bunch of firewire units and surfaces even the old digi design factory 002 console works a treatwith 10gb network cards direct to vst and vsti servers.everything just works and still usable in 2024
unfortunatly we couldnt virualize the system with hyper visor ,all the audio software has to be a native install to have correct permisions etc
I can guarantee you that nowadays ADAT works really well for expanding interfaces. I'm sorry. But I read the manual.
Unless you need to work at higher sample rates on a project, or have to clock using optical. It’s another point of failure. If I use an interface that claims 24 inputs, I want to see 24 input sockets on the back 😉
@@PresentDayProduction I've got 3 RME Digiface USBs all connected to one PC. Into them, I feed 24 optical cables (12 in, 12 out - 4 pairs on each unit) that then run to 12 Behringer ADA8000s.
That gives me 96 channels at 48k or (if I wanted to use faster AD/DA converters from MOTU, for example) I could go up to 48 channels of 96K or 24 channels at 192k.
The ADAs can be had for about $120 used and the Digifaces for about $400 each. If you're willing to go used, that's $2,640 for that gear. Throw in some for your adat cables (and, if you really want it, a word clock to drive the thing, though it's not necessary) and a few patchbays to make everything neat and for about $30 per channel, you've got nearly 100 channels of stable, latency - free digital audio that can be recorded on a laptop if you like.
Nothing wrong with ADAT and nothing wrong with USB (2.0, believe it or not). The technology has matured and become more reliable.
Best part? It's scalable. You can drop $1k to get 32 channels right away and add more as needed.
Personal preference, I guess, but no need these days to get fancy. Keep your money.
ADAT rocks
@@higltypig It doesn't suck.
@@mc2engineeringprof Im old school, i need more mic xlr inputs , only have 16 from 2 interfaces ( 8 and 8). I really dont want to sell the 2 and upgrade, thought i could add on... sweetwater trying to get me to buy tascam analog to dante..
It's a great recommendation. Maybe starting out from scratch, I might have gone down this route as it's more affordable. I'm on PC here, with MOTU. Audient ASP800 works fine over ADAT for me. But, even if it didn't plenty of these newer multi-channel input racks have direct outputs too. The Audient ones are really good for the money. And above that, there's the SSL Pure Drive, Quad and Octo. For me, I find 18 channels is about enough for my tracking needs (8 interface, 8 ADAT, + 2 extra from RME ADI-2 over SPDIF). So between the interface and pres, an ASP800, SSL Pure Drive Quad and a some stereo pairs of 1073-type, CAPI and Cranborne Camden pres do the job. It's nice to be able to mix and match preamp styles. But on the other hand, it does feel a bit overly complex. An Arturia AudioFuse 16 rig is another decent value option that gets you lots of I/O, just add some good affordable 8-channel mic pre racks like the Audients, and can run them analogue if you don't like ADAT.
Sorry Sir but I love ADAT from my ASP 880 into My RME UFX
That settles it. I'm going straight out into the backyard and grabbing 3 rabbits and a field mouse.
how are the preamps compared to the high end ones in e.g. Audient, RME or UAD etc?
They’re great - they take a super quiet mic signal and make it louder, with no noticeable noise or distortion and plenty of gain. We’ve recorded probably hundreds of bands with them, both in the studio and live, and I have no complaints at all.
The examples in the intro where funny but kinda logical for sounds at the same time, I've never came across examples for this exact purpose.
So, I’m... I’m a little afraid to ask this, but... what’s wrong with ADAT? 😖😬
They connect with a horrible little cable.
All the issues listed above (and below), plus losing half your channels if a client wants something at higher sample rates, a stupid cable that falls out, JUST THINKING ABOUT ADAT IS MAKING ME ANGRY!!!! 😝
@@PresentDayProduction I would totally watch a whole video explaining (in fiery detail) the shortcoming of ADAT if such a video was out there, jussayin 😉🤷🏼♂️😂
Nothing! I have a MOTU 8Pre-ES as my main module with an older 8Pre connected via lightpipe to give me 8 more mic pres. The ES is also connected via light pipe to my mixer giving me another 8 mic pres. The 8Pre-ES is my clock and I have no issues whatsoever.
@@oig40203 Watch MixBusTv with David Gnozzi , he is (big ) professional audio talking. And he has the same system like you !!
ua-cam.com/users/mixbustv . One day i would like to connect this MOTU 8Pres-ES with my UAD Apollo X8 , do you think , it is possible ? Thank you.
Some years ago Roland introduced the Studio Capture which gave 16 inputs