2:50. 2x was never “difficult to learn”. A considerably younger me managed to work out how to use a 3x so I’m sure the youth of today can figure out 2x.
2x Compacts are dead easy. most of the time you leave in the big ring, then when you get to a reasonable hill you go down to the 34t ring. So simple. 1x in 9 and 10 speed would give massive jumps in the gears if you wanted the same range as a 2x compact.
I have three bikes, all of them triples. It never crossed my mind that they were challenging or difficult. But maybe it's like the programming world, where nobody now knows how that old code works.
Agreed. Also front derailleurs almost never break. Setting limit screws isnt rocket science. I dont get the maintenance argument as a deciding factor against 2x
A slight correction for you. Tiagra 4700 have both flat bar and drop bar shifters running on the same 2 by 10 gear sets. I have Boardman branded bikes in both formats.
I still enjoy Shimano 2x9 with Microshift shifters. Their drop bar shifters are better than Shimano’s and their flat bar shifters are just as good as Shimano or SRAM until you get to the higher end stuff. Plus a 2x9 drivetrain is a whole lot cheaper than a current 1x12 and has excellent range.
That's not strictly true - Shimano's clear that Hyperglide 11-speed chains aren't compatible with Linkglide drivetrains. I'll admit I haven't tested that but, given how good Linkglide performs (it's genuinely great!) I personally wouldn't want to compromise with an incompatible chain. Cheers! Jack
Edit: you're right! Somebody else mentioned this in a comment on BikeRadar.com, so I checked Shimano's compatibility charts and, yes - any 11-speed chain is compatible with a LG groupset. However, that's not what we were told at the time of launch - Shimano's PR material was very clear that HG and LG components were not cross-compatible. Thanks for the clarification. si.shimano.com/en/cues/technical-assets-techdoc-techinfo
@@bikeradar it works the other way as well, I am running a Cues CN-LG500 chain with 11sp 105 5800 and it works perfectly. Cheaper chain that looks identical to the HyperGlide chains but according to Zero Friction testing is even more durable than Dura-Ace.
I cannot imagine Cues drop bars will be hydraulic only. Shimano isn't that daft to not realize the huge back support they need for all their legacy groupsets with rim brakes, nor the fact mechanical disc brakes are where truly budget road bikes can gain a price advantage. Either way, Cues has been somewhat underwhelming in America because of its poor value when sourced through official channels (thanks to Shimano's screwed up NA distribution). EDIT: Are you sure it's not intended as an aftermarket option? The way Shimano reps described it to me was at some point in the future all lower-end aftermarket support parts (like Acera derailleurs) would cease to exist for bike shops, so Cues replacement would be the way forward.
I can't say for certain but my money is on Cues being hydraulic disc only - that's certainly the case with the flat bar groupsets so far. However, as a die-hard rim brake squidger, I hope I'm wrong! And fair point on the aftermarket comment. I suppose what I meant is that it isn't intended as an 'upgrade' groupset in the same spirit as XT/XTR or Ultegra/Dura-Ace. Hope that's clearer! Jack
A new ESSA series (that is even more basic than the CUES one) is offered with the hydraulic levers and - as of yet - for flat bars only. Hence there is a small chance an ESSA replacement for a drop bar Tourney group will have mechanical disc brakes (a chance for rim brakes is even slimmer because there are no ESSA rim brake hubs).
I love 3X8 and V brakes, I tried a fancy 1X11 and hydro disc setup, I sold it, top mounted cyclo X style repeaters with drop bars and rim brakes, 3X8, easy and cheap to own / maintain, I will never be fooled again
PS any old school bike with Canti brakes can use V brakes even with drops if you switch the drop bar levers to Tektro RL-520 levers which have the right pull for V brakes, add a set of Tektro AL-570 top mounted repeater levers if required and you have it all, Vee brakes are so cheap to buy and they work really well, easy to adjust, inexpensive and reliable and triple chainsets cost peanuts now, as do 8 speed cassettes and freewheels and if you keep the chainline straight with the triple they last forever
I hear you. My 90's era MTB with 3X7 drive train on a solid fork steel-framed bike is still quite fun to ride, despite all the marketing BS trying to convince us that we need a new bike every 3 years.
'2x is diffucult to learn' 🤣🤣 gimme a break. And no, 9 speed groupsets (at least shimano) have not been phased out in early 2000s. You had Sora 3400 and 3500 still available on new bikes around 2013 - 2015
Yes, they've also been keeping at least one group going in the MTB line-ups that used the 9sp pull ratios from the 90s-2ks. So for a while there were parts that remained cross compatible between road and MTB. I'm not around shops anymore so I asked last time in one if they knew if CUES was ending that trend. They had no idea.
Nice group to bridge the gap between road and mtb componentes. Yesterday i bought a 9 speed deore RD just to be able to use a bigger cassette on my ultegra 6700 equiped road bike. Nice to know it is being easier to get this range. I started to plan my gravel bike (29er mtb with drop bar) even before the Ultegra RX was launched, buying the Wolftooth tanpan to match the components. The bike took too long to finish that I bought the Deore 5100 RD to use with the RS505 you hate so much. Soon you'll be able to get this solution out of the box. That's great!
2-by is difficult to learn? That's crazy. Actually 3-by has always been a perfect option especially for touring and beginner bikes. Even easier. 2-by does put you in awkward situations when you need to shift at the right moment. On 3-by you would just stay on the middle ring and go to bigger or smaller depending on the terrain. The right gearing for any situation. Not saying 1-by won't be good enough for a lot of people and do the same thing with less options.
with two-by it's pretty easy to shift "wrong", i.e., too high of a jump between gear ratios. To keep your cadence consistent you need to simultaneously shift in front and rear, which requires some training. But on a road bike I wouln't go to one-by, it's just not as smooth (yet). And three-by is too heavy overall.
I'm trying to get my friend into cycling, he can't even grasp 1x. Complains pedaling is too hard and just shifts back and forth endlessly. I've got him on my single speed now and he still complains about pedaling but at least he isn't focused on trying to find the right cadence anymore.
My memory is 9 speed being the main choice all the way through the noughties (i.e 2000-2010) so just had to go and do a bit of a web search when he said 9 speed was phased out early 2000's... just to check my memory now I'm middle aged... seems 10 spd Dura Ace came out 2004 but XTR was some way behind in 2010 and the lower groups lagging each of those. Personally I did build a ten speed road bike in 2008 that I still ride, but had 9spd mtbs for another ten years after that.
In 2013 I bought a new merida race lite 901 fully speced with 9 speed Sora 3400. Shortly after shimano released Sora 3500 which had the downshift levers behind the brake levers as in higher end groupsets. This guy does not know what he's talking about 9 speed drivetrains and 2x mechs
@@qwertyazerty2137 9-speed (heck, even 8-speed) components are still widely available from Shimano. Our point, as Peter alludes to, is that Shimano's top-spec enthusiast-focussed components moved away from 9-speed around then. Hope that helps.
@@bikeradar yep, that's more clear. However, altgouh i.e. 9- and 10-speed ultegra brifters and derailleurs are no longer made, shimano still makes 9- and 10-speed Ultegra cassettes and chains.
This is fantastic news. With Shimano you know it's going to be quality. To get a rider into a bike like the one shown for $1200-ish is SO BADLY needed.... the 'bicycle industry' just might be listening!
I had a flat bar Orbea aqua with 3x10 shimano 105. It is at my brother's garage now collecting dust. Now if they bring back rim brakes then we can have a decent carbon road bike for 1500 euro.
All are compatible as long as the number of gears is the same. Seen many Ultegra and 105 STI levers combined with XT/Deore rear derailleurs (10-speed) working perfectly.
Yes, but that still meant you couldn't put on a big cassette on a drop bar bike for cheap. Now, you can have drop bars AND 50 teeth at the same time, which is big. CUES also has 2x, and the biggest 2x capable derailleur can handle an 11-45.
@@einundsiebenziger5488 I think you may be mixing things up a bit here. You can use 10sp Ultegra/105 levers with *9sp* Shimano MTB rear derailleurs as the cable pull was the same up to 10sp road/9sp MTB. I have 105 10sp 5700 shifters with a Deore M591 9sp RD and that works perfectly, with a much larger capacity than I could get with a road RD. You get 10sp as the indexing is in the shifter, the RD doesn't know it's 9sp. 10sp MTB changed cable pull and you can't use 10sp MTB RDs with 10sp road shifters. 11sp road also changed cable pull so 11sp road shifters aren't compatible any more either (with either 10sp road or MTB rear derailleurs).
@@Olmekc we all know every bike manufacturers put cheapest calipers and non-compressionless housing for mech brakes, and the premium ones that work well are niche and pricey (Equal and Paul Klampers). For those who aren't building boutique retro-looking bikes full hydro is preferable. If you want mech brakes, then Microshift Sword got you covered, just not my cup of tea.
@@Olmekc not everyone has access to expensive mechanical disc caliper. In some 3rd world country, cyclist could only buy either mediocre calipre or hydraulic, and both of them are has small margin in price already.
Serieously hoping this fits my old 2019 SL Road which has a regular HG body as it seams to be an 1x11 group and not a 1x12 microspline. My Claris group is toast... The frame is still rocking and rolling!
Existing Shimano Cues components are HG, so I think you'll be golden! We fitted the wide range 11-42t cassette to our tandem, which has hubs from the mid-90s.
@@bikeradar Nice! I've had my eye on a cheap M4100/5100 HG derailler and Cues Crank. Need to figure out if that combo wil work. I cuold get a Deore crank but I want the 40T instead of 32/34/36 ish crank.
It has the same as existing CUES groupsets, which as far as I (Tom) know, is different to existing Shimano MTB groupsets outside of CUES. So you can use a CUES derailleur, but not XT for example.
Don't like one by much. Changed my MTB to one by. Worked OK but don't like how out of line the chain gets. Noisy too. I have 11 speed GRX 2 by on my gravel bike it's great.
I've wondered about this - the chain alignment with 1X. At least there is no front derailleur for the chain to rub against when gears at the ends of the cassette are selected. I'll stick with 2X until my 105 group wears out but I've always been aware that there are usually (near) duplications of a few ratios across the cog combinations.
My cheap shimano mt-200 break for mtb ,is stronger break than any cable actuated sti that ive tried ,so i refuse to switch to sti because hydraulic break is too expensive In our country,if cues sti will have cheap hydraulic break that will be game changer..
I'm sorry, but this desperately needs a 2x option. 9 and 10 speed would give big jumps between gears to get the same range I have on my Tiagra 2x compact
CUES has 2x. In fact CUES 2x has stupid wide gearing. You can do an 11-45 cassette at the back with front chainrings 14 teeth apart. 46-32 up the front, 11-45 at the back, all CUES
@@a1white50 Front is unnecessary for anything but high speed descents. For commuting purposes cues is aimed at, you'll very rarely exceed 30kph, where even 46-11 is still too high a gearing for most cyclists. Recreational road bikes are a different story, but that's not who cues is aimed at.
@@Lolwutfordawin Speak for yourself. I'm over 50, on a steel framed endurance style bike with racks and mudguards yet somehow manage to regularly exceed 30kph daily. Currently I have Tiagra, (which this is supposed to replace) unless I'm wanting to spin out beyond 30kph this is not for me. I can only pressume they will expand the range to a 'normal' compact gearing
I was watching todays presentation of their ebikes lineup and they suspiciously omitted the drivetrain. Specs say it's Bosch CX, but maybe it's something unreleased yet? Kinda SUS.
They just releasing it cos of the Chinese brands are smashing the big 3s on the entry level market, so cheers to the entry of more brands to the market 🎉
No they're not... There is not a single of the popular brands (both big and small) that use any of the chinese groupsets. Heck, not even Microshift is making inroads. Shimano Cues just makes sense in a world where you have to be as lean as possible in terms of manufacturing costs and everything that comes with it as a whole. Rather than needing to produce a bazillion different products with minor differences, it just makes so much more sense to condense the product offerings. Cheaper to produce, cheaper for the consumer. Just a win win.
They released it because dealers asked Shimano to, and they finally listened. It was hard to memorize and explain the differences between Acera, Altus and Alivio to customers and tbh except for number of gears there was hardly any difference in weight or performance. And they are all noticeable worse in terms of shifting speed, precision and comfort than Deore. Now there is only Cues 9-, 10- and 11-speed and one or two chainrings. Makes bike lighter, less complicated and easier to explain (= sell).
Not sure about that. Ltwoo and Sensah sell to the western markets mostly via aliexpress. so this is aftermarket retail. Almost all ltwoo's production is consumed by oem manufacturing for their chinese market. I haven't seen any reputable bike brands specing their bikes with these chinese groupsets. Couple of years ago my local polish brand Kross speced one of their gravel bikes with rebranded 10 speed mechanical road groupset from ltwoo. It was during the pandemic with supply shortages so no wonder, but now, I don't see ltwoo nor sensah as an oem on western bikes. Recently there was a British bike shop which offered a higher end carbon road bike with ltwoo erx electronic groupset but I don't know what was the bike's brand.
Nooo! But also yes. After waiting for literally years (4!), last week I finally gave up and paid top dollar to get hydraulic brakes on my gravel bike. At least others will benefit!
I bought a cues hub which failed within a month. I will never be buying Shimano again. My bike is my life yet despite sending videos of the problem they want me to send the hub.
What do you mean 2x is difficult to learn? What's difficult in it? It is as easy as 1x. Saying that sounds like you should have a master degree in maths to operate 2x. It's not nuclear physics. It's easy. And intuitive.
There’s an Irony in the name CUES, as a significant motivating factor for Shimano creating this product line is to reduce SKUs ! As a person who works in a bike shop, I’m very much looking forward to 2025 model year entry level bikes running CUES and ESSA.
Exactly how dumb do you have to be that x2 cranksets are difficult to learn? That's really groping in the dark to for reasons to sell off x1 cranksets.
Last time in my bike shop I saw a slightly heavier rider with his 1x GRX on his brandnew gravelbike asking for a bigger cassette cause uphill he was running out of gears low enough to manage his climbs. 1x is imho never a beginners option unless you live in a flat area. I had 2x since I was eleven (with downtube shifters!!), there is absolutely nothing "difficult to learn". I just lost lost all of my respect for this channel in just a single moment.
Just spent two grand on a surly that came with cues. My bad, i feel sort had actually. Clunky, clumsy, poorly made. Where was i when two grand turned into crappy components.
About time. Can't wait to see crappy groupsets like Claris, Sora and (non-hydraulic) Tiagra replaced. Wonder how you come up with "drop bar vs. flat bar derailleur". My old XT 9-speed shift levers work perfectly with a 105 rear derailleur, also fitted an XT 10-speed derailleur to an Ultegra 10-speed shifter when no long-cage Ultegra derailleur was available - same positive result. As long as the number of gears is the same all Shimano shifters and derailleurs are compatible.
That's not strictly true - the cable pull ratio of Shimano road and MTB components diverged after the 9-speed era. We cover this topic in depth in this guide: www.bikeradar.com/advice/buyers-guides/a-complete-guide-to-rear-derailleurs
Cues will be available in 9-, 10- and 11-speed and replace all 7-, 8-, 9-, 10- and 11-speed groupsets. Deore, XT and XTR will stay but only in 12-speed versions. 1x9 makes absolute sense on city bikes.
2:50. 2x was never “difficult to learn”. A considerably younger me managed to work out how to use a 3x so I’m sure the youth of today can figure out 2x.
The world has got significantly dumber in general...
2x Compacts are dead easy. most of the time you leave in the big ring, then when you get to a reasonable hill you go down to the 34t ring. So simple. 1x in 9 and 10 speed would give massive jumps in the gears if you wanted the same range as a 2x compact.
@@cup_and_cone When all they know how to work is a phone, all other life tasks are a challenge.
I have three bikes, all of them triples. It never crossed my mind that they were challenging or difficult. But maybe it's like the programming world, where nobody now knows how that old code works.
My kid and my wife can't, and there's no way I'm smarter than they are...
They've lost me when a gen Z mate said "2 by is difficult to learn".
Agreed. Also front derailleurs almost never break. Setting limit screws isnt rocket science. I dont get the maintenance argument as a deciding factor against 2x
All my biked are 3x except my MTB and imo 1x is just good for MTBs
To the contrary I have several 2x bikes, I have never had significant difficulties per se? 🤷♂️
@@ricksantana1016 2x are very straightforward to index but imo friction is better for front derailleurs and I say that as a 18 yo
Oh how I wish these old bones were Gen Z 😮💨 Jack
A slight correction for you. Tiagra 4700 have both flat bar and drop bar shifters running on the same 2 by 10 gear sets. I have Boardman branded bikes in both formats.
I still enjoy Shimano 2x9 with Microshift shifters. Their drop bar shifters are better than Shimano’s and their flat bar shifters are just as good as Shimano or SRAM until you get to the higher end stuff. Plus a 2x9 drivetrain is a whole lot cheaper than a current 1x12 and has excellent range.
The Cube nuroad is available as "Nuroad One" with the Microshift Sword Groupset for 899€!
Hey Jack, you can use any 11 speed chain with the Cues drivetrains, all speeds. It’s designed about the 11 speed chain width
That's not strictly true - Shimano's clear that Hyperglide 11-speed chains aren't compatible with Linkglide drivetrains. I'll admit I haven't tested that but, given how good Linkglide performs (it's genuinely great!) I personally wouldn't want to compromise with an incompatible chain. Cheers! Jack
Edit: you're right! Somebody else mentioned this in a comment on BikeRadar.com, so I checked Shimano's compatibility charts and, yes - any 11-speed chain is compatible with a LG groupset. However, that's not what we were told at the time of launch - Shimano's PR material was very clear that HG and LG components were not cross-compatible. Thanks for the clarification. si.shimano.com/en/cues/technical-assets-techdoc-techinfo
@@bikeradar it works the other way as well, I am running a Cues CN-LG500 chain with 11sp 105 5800 and it works perfectly. Cheaper chain that looks identical to the HyperGlide chains but according to Zero Friction testing is even more durable than Dura-Ace.
why is it ALWAYS cube leaking groupsets?
what did they leak previous time
@@shimona500 pretty sure they leaked rival axs and new ultegra first
They have a history for sure!
Germans can’t keep secrets.
Gotta think outside the cube......I mean box.....
I cannot imagine Cues drop bars will be hydraulic only. Shimano isn't that daft to not realize the huge back support they need for all their legacy groupsets with rim brakes, nor the fact mechanical disc brakes are where truly budget road bikes can gain a price advantage. Either way, Cues has been somewhat underwhelming in America because of its poor value when sourced through official channels (thanks to Shimano's screwed up NA distribution). EDIT: Are you sure it's not intended as an aftermarket option? The way Shimano reps described it to me was at some point in the future all lower-end aftermarket support parts (like Acera derailleurs) would cease to exist for bike shops, so Cues replacement would be the way forward.
From the states here in primary school, I love your choice of wording…daft! How brilliant
I can't say for certain but my money is on Cues being hydraulic disc only - that's certainly the case with the flat bar groupsets so far. However, as a die-hard rim brake squidger, I hope I'm wrong! And fair point on the aftermarket comment. I suppose what I meant is that it isn't intended as an 'upgrade' groupset in the same spirit as XT/XTR or Ultegra/Dura-Ace. Hope that's clearer! Jack
A new ESSA series (that is even more basic than the CUES one) is offered with the hydraulic levers and - as of yet - for flat bars only. Hence there is a small chance an ESSA replacement for a drop bar Tourney group will have mechanical disc brakes (a chance for rim brakes is even slimmer because there are no ESSA rim brake hubs).
I love 3X8 and V brakes, I tried a fancy 1X11 and hydro disc setup, I sold it, top mounted cyclo X style repeaters with drop bars and rim brakes, 3X8, easy and cheap to own / maintain, I will never be fooled again
PS any old school bike with Canti brakes can use V brakes even with drops if you switch the drop bar levers to Tektro RL-520 levers which have the right pull for V brakes, add a set of Tektro AL-570 top mounted repeater levers if required and you have it all, Vee brakes are so cheap to buy and they work really well, easy to adjust, inexpensive and reliable and triple chainsets cost peanuts now, as do 8 speed cassettes and freewheels and if you keep the chainline straight with the triple they last forever
@@vaughanbbrean71 shhh don't tell too many people
I hear you. My 90's era MTB with 3X7 drive train on a solid fork steel-framed bike is still quite fun to ride, despite all the marketing BS trying to convince us that we need a new bike every 3 years.
@@johnsmithers284 Dura ace ultegra red 1x by electronic hydraulic... What?! Bikes are that simple?!
'2x is diffucult to learn' 🤣🤣 gimme a break. And no, 9 speed groupsets (at least shimano) have not been phased out in early 2000s. You had Sora 3400 and 3500 still available on new bikes around 2013 - 2015
Yes, they've also been keeping at least one group going in the MTB line-ups that used the 9sp pull ratios from the 90s-2ks. So for a while there were parts that remained cross compatible between road and MTB.
I'm not around shops anymore so I asked last time in one if they knew if CUES was ending that trend. They had no idea.
There are even still plenty of new 7 / 8 speed bikes being sold in Europe
Nice group to bridge the gap between road and mtb componentes. Yesterday i bought a 9 speed deore RD just to be able to use a bigger cassette on my ultegra 6700 equiped road bike. Nice to know it is being easier to get this range.
I started to plan my gravel bike (29er mtb with drop bar) even before the Ultegra RX was launched, buying the Wolftooth tanpan to match the components. The bike took too long to finish that I bought the Deore 5100 RD to use with the RS505 you hate so much.
Soon you'll be able to get this solution out of the box. That's great!
I want 2X drop bar, to get the massive range (over 600%) that CUES is capable of in 2X, per a recent presentation from The Path Less Pedalled.
2x is obsolete when 3x was invented.
@@ShinyUmbreon765 alright grandpa, time to sleep
2-by is difficult to learn? That's crazy. Actually 3-by has always been a perfect option especially for touring and beginner bikes. Even easier. 2-by does put you in awkward situations when you need to shift at the right moment. On 3-by you would just stay on the middle ring and go to bigger or smaller depending on the terrain. The right gearing for any situation. Not saying 1-by won't be good enough for a lot of people and do the same thing with less options.
with two-by it's pretty easy to shift "wrong", i.e., too high of a jump between gear ratios. To keep your cadence consistent you need to simultaneously shift in front and rear, which requires some training. But on a road bike I wouln't go to one-by, it's just not as smooth (yet). And three-by is too heavy overall.
@@MattRose30000 Agree. Except for the 3-by being head. On a long mountain ride or touring bike those 100 grams are the least of my worries.
I'm trying to get my friend into cycling, he can't even grasp 1x. Complains pedaling is too hard and just shifts back and forth endlessly. I've got him on my single speed now and he still complains about pedaling but at least he isn't focused on trying to find the right cadence anymore.
Since people found out that microshift sword works with shimano Cues, Shimano had to make a move.
Yeah true
My memory is 9 speed being the main choice all the way through the noughties (i.e 2000-2010) so just had to go and do a bit of a web search when he said 9 speed was phased out early 2000's... just to check my memory now I'm middle aged... seems 10 spd Dura Ace came out 2004 but XTR was some way behind in 2010 and the lower groups lagging each of those. Personally I did build a ten speed road bike in 2008 that I still ride, but had 9spd mtbs for another ten years after that.
In 2013 I bought a new merida race lite 901 fully speced with 9 speed Sora 3400. Shortly after shimano released Sora 3500 which had the downshift levers behind the brake levers as in higher end groupsets. This guy does not know what he's talking about 9 speed drivetrains and 2x mechs
@@qwertyazerty2137 9-speed (heck, even 8-speed) components are still widely available from Shimano. Our point, as Peter alludes to, is that Shimano's top-spec enthusiast-focussed components moved away from 9-speed around then. Hope that helps.
@@bikeradar yep, that's more clear. However, altgouh i.e. 9- and 10-speed ultegra brifters and derailleurs are no longer made, shimano still makes 9- and 10-speed Ultegra cassettes and chains.
This is fantastic news. With Shimano you know it's going to be quality. To get a rider into a bike like the one shown for $1200-ish is SO BADLY needed.... the 'bicycle industry' just might be listening!
Loving Jack's shirt.
I had a flat bar Orbea aqua with 3x10 shimano 105. It is at my brother's garage now collecting dust. Now if they bring back rim brakes then we can have a decent carbon road bike for 1500 euro.
Just accept it: rim brakes are dead.
As are triple chainsets.
Excellent!
Meanwhile, I haven't moved past 6700 Ultegra.
Hope they will come soon! I want it for a bikepacking bike!
10/11 4700 and 5800 do have flat and drop bar shifters which are compatible. Its only MTB shifters which are incompatible to Road.
All are compatible as long as the number of gears is the same. Seen many Ultegra and 105 STI levers combined with XT/Deore rear derailleurs (10-speed) working perfectly.
@@einundsiebenziger5488not true
@@bebopman5not true
Yes, but that still meant you couldn't put on a big cassette on a drop bar bike for cheap. Now, you can have drop bars AND 50 teeth at the same time, which is big. CUES also has 2x, and the biggest 2x capable derailleur can handle an 11-45.
@@einundsiebenziger5488 I think you may be mixing things up a bit here. You can use 10sp Ultegra/105 levers with *9sp* Shimano MTB rear derailleurs as the cable pull was the same up to 10sp road/9sp MTB. I have 105 10sp 5700 shifters with a Deore M591 9sp RD and that works perfectly, with a much larger capacity than I could get with a road RD. You get 10sp as the indexing is in the shifter, the RD doesn't know it's 9sp.
10sp MTB changed cable pull and you can't use 10sp MTB RDs with 10sp road shifters. 11sp road also changed cable pull so 11sp road shifters aren't compatible any more either (with either 10sp road or MTB rear derailleurs).
About time. Although I'm yet to see a CUES equipped bike on the road yet anyway.
Advent X and Sword may force Shimano into making a cable/cable option.
do you think I might be able to finally upgrade to hydraulic disc brakes on my 2x9-sora with cable disc brakes?
Is it safe to say that the shimano cues drop bar STI's can be compatible with shimano deore rear mech?
It could be. I have a cues 10 spd shifter and deore 5120 rd combination on my mtb and it works allright.
@ Nice! Thanks
Good news but it still keeps Microshift Sword on top for those who insist on mechanical brakes...like me.
*Sword
*"brakes"
@@matthewlewis2072 Thanks, that's clearly on me.
@@komoonkh right! maybe the Blade groupset should be the next iteration. Thanks for the correction.
Good news! The Cube Nuroad AL is available as "Nuroad One" with the nrw Microshift Sword Groupset!
My first bike (as an adult) is 9-speed and I bought it in 2019. Was this really rare at that time?!
It's good that budget consumers can get hands on entry hydraulic dropbar groupset instead of being stuck with flat bar or flimsy mechanical brakes.
Flimsy mechanical brakes?
@@Olmekc we all know every bike manufacturers put cheapest calipers and non-compressionless housing for mech brakes, and the premium ones that work well are niche and pricey
(Equal and Paul Klampers). For those who aren't building boutique retro-looking bikes full hydro is preferable.
If you want mech brakes, then Microshift Sword got you covered, just not my cup of tea.
@@Olmekc not everyone has access to expensive mechanical disc caliper.
In some 3rd world country, cyclist could only buy either mediocre calipre or hydraulic, and both of them are has small margin in price already.
@@drill_fiend1097 Don't be fooled. Cheap disc brakes still are working far worser than cheap calliper brakes. Anytime!
Serieously hoping this fits my old 2019 SL Road which has a regular HG body as it seams to be an 1x11 group and not a 1x12 microspline. My Claris group is toast... The frame is still rocking and rolling!
Seriously* / seems* to be
Existing Shimano Cues components are HG, so I think you'll be golden! We fitted the wide range 11-42t cassette to our tandem, which has hubs from the mid-90s.
@@bikeradar Nice! I've had my eye on a cheap M4100/5100 HG derailler and Cues Crank. Need to figure out if that combo wil work. I cuold get a Deore crank but I want the 40T instead of 32/34/36 ish crank.
Coup by bike radar, haven’t seen it anywhere else. 👍
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They also leaked a Suntour AION fork with 38mm stantions. Awesome
Des Cues support rim brakes?
Nope. Hydraulic disc only
Hoping they will release the 12s mech 105 with rim brake.
This duo works!
Which means the new shifter and rear derailleur has mountain groupset pull ratio instead of road ones?
It has the same as existing CUES groupsets, which as far as I (Tom) know, is different to existing Shimano MTB groupsets outside of CUES. So you can use a CUES derailleur, but not XT for example.
Any updates on this?
Don't like one by much. Changed my MTB to one by. Worked OK but don't like how out of line the chain gets. Noisy too. I have 11 speed GRX 2 by on my gravel bike it's great.
I've wondered about this - the chain alignment with 1X. At least there is no front derailleur for the chain to rub against when gears at the ends of the cassette are selected. I'll stick with 2X until my 105 group wears out but I've always been aware that there are usually (near) duplications of a few ratios across the cog combinations.
My cheap shimano mt-200 break for mtb ,is stronger break than any cable actuated sti that ive tried ,so i refuse to switch to sti because hydraulic break is too expensive In our country,if cues sti will have cheap hydraulic break that will be game changer..
I'm sorry, but this desperately needs a 2x option. 9 and 10 speed would give big jumps between gears to get the same range I have on my Tiagra 2x compact
cues have FD options.
CUES has 2x. In fact CUES 2x has stupid wide gearing. You can do an 11-45 cassette at the back with front chainrings 14 teeth apart. 46-32 up the front, 11-45 at the back, all CUES
@@_shreyash_anand why such a small big ring? Why not 50/34?
@@a1white50 Front is unnecessary for anything but high speed descents. For commuting purposes cues is aimed at, you'll very rarely exceed 30kph, where even 46-11 is still too high a gearing for most cyclists. Recreational road bikes are a different story, but that's not who cues is aimed at.
@@Lolwutfordawin Speak for yourself. I'm over 50, on a steel framed endurance style bike with racks and mudguards yet somehow manage to regularly exceed 30kph daily. Currently I have Tiagra, (which this is supposed to replace) unless I'm wanting to spin out beyond 30kph this is not for me. I can only pressume they will expand the range to a 'normal' compact gearing
Can't wait until they get Ci2
I was watching todays presentation of their ebikes lineup and they suspiciously omitted the drivetrain. Specs say it's Bosch CX, but maybe it's something unreleased yet? Kinda SUS.
Why is the Vid looking (and esp. the guy on the left) like its from the 80ies? 😁
I just hope the cable pull is the same between drop bar and flat bar!
The rear derailleur is the same, as we state in the video, so yes, the cable pull should be the same!
Maybe it'll be Time to sell our Sora shifters since cues will allow 9 to 11 😅 it'll give more flexibility on rear dérailleurs choice
2 by dificult to learn... 2 rules : 1 don't cross the chain 2 obey rule 1 all the times how difficult is that?
If I can't get a 2x I'll stick with Microshift Sword.
They just releasing it cos of the Chinese brands are smashing the big 3s on the entry level market, so cheers to the entry of more brands to the market 🎉
No they're not... There is not a single of the popular brands (both big and small) that use any of the chinese groupsets. Heck, not even Microshift is making inroads.
Shimano Cues just makes sense in a world where you have to be as lean as possible in terms of manufacturing costs and everything that comes with it as a whole.
Rather than needing to produce a bazillion different products with minor differences, it just makes so much more sense to condense the product offerings. Cheaper to produce, cheaper for the consumer. Just a win win.
They released it because dealers asked Shimano to, and they finally listened. It was hard to memorize and explain the differences between Acera, Altus and Alivio to customers and tbh except for number of gears there was hardly any difference in weight or performance. And they are all noticeable worse in terms of shifting speed, precision and comfort than Deore. Now there is only Cues 9-, 10- and 11-speed and one or two chainrings. Makes bike lighter, less complicated and easier to explain (= sell).
Not sure about that. Ltwoo and Sensah sell to the western markets mostly via aliexpress. so this is aftermarket retail. Almost all ltwoo's production is consumed by oem manufacturing for their chinese market. I haven't seen any reputable bike brands specing their bikes with these chinese groupsets. Couple of years ago my local polish brand Kross speced one of their gravel bikes with rebranded 10 speed mechanical road groupset from ltwoo. It was during the pandemic with supply shortages so no wonder, but now, I don't see ltwoo nor sensah as an oem on western bikes. Recently there was a British bike shop which offered a higher end carbon road bike with ltwoo erx electronic groupset but I don't know what was the bike's brand.
@@morganil93decathlon uses a lot of ltwoo groups now. Decathlon is huge in Europe.
so you've taken to using subtitles for the Scotsman
Nooo! But also yes. After waiting for literally years (4!), last week I finally gave up and paid top dollar to get hydraulic brakes on my gravel bike. At least others will benefit!
I wish 3x10 to be back for touring
And cotton panniers?
@matthewlewis2072 this is not a problem to find
tiagra 4700 has a triple chainring option. i have it on a touring bike. GRX 400 10 speed rear mech is also compatible if you want a clutch
Nobody needs triple chainrings.
i’m a mechanical brake 2x drive guy so🤷🏻♂️care
i think we need to thank Chinese groupsets for Cues
I bought a cues hub which failed within a month. I will never be buying Shimano again. My bike is my life yet despite sending videos of the problem they want me to send the hub.
What do you mean 2x is difficult to learn? What's difficult in it? It is as easy as 1x. Saying that sounds like you should have a master degree in maths to operate 2x. It's not nuclear physics. It's easy. And intuitive.
There’s an Irony in the name CUES, as a significant motivating factor for Shimano creating this product line is to reduce SKUs !
As a person who works in a bike shop, I’m very much looking forward to 2025 model year entry level bikes running CUES and ESSA.
Exactly how dumb do you have to be that x2 cranksets are difficult to learn? That's really groping in the dark to for reasons to sell off x1 cranksets.
2X is difficult to learn? Maybe for the brain dead 🤷
Last time in my bike shop I saw a slightly heavier rider with his 1x GRX on his brandnew gravelbike asking for a bigger cassette cause uphill he was running out of gears low enough to manage his climbs. 1x is imho never a beginners option unless you live in a flat area. I had 2x since I was eleven (with downtube shifters!!), there is absolutely nothing "difficult to learn". I just lost lost all of my respect for this channel in just a single moment.
l jest 162 cm this framce and fork 😮to high ！for me
Just spent two grand on a surly that came with cues. My bad, i feel sort had actually. Clunky, clumsy, poorly made. Where was i when two grand turned into crappy components.
9 speed phased out in the early 2000-s to 10/11 speed? The guy on left speaks rubbish. This happened a decade later.
2X is difficult to learn, WTF?
Finalllllyy
No 2x, no thanks.
who cares shimano😅
Who cares sram 😂
@@marcin4893 I don't care for either of them: microshift, sensah and ltwoo.
Boooo where are the bar end and downtube shifters
Microshift will doubtless come to the rescue with aftermarket options (and, failing them, Russ from Path Less Pedaled will!).
of course they will be dumb again and only make a shifter for hydraulic breaks
... hydraulic brakes*
About time. Can't wait to see crappy groupsets like Claris, Sora and (non-hydraulic) Tiagra replaced. Wonder how you come up with "drop bar vs. flat bar derailleur". My old XT 9-speed shift levers work perfectly with a 105 rear derailleur, also fitted an XT 10-speed derailleur to an Ultegra 10-speed shifter when no long-cage Ultegra derailleur was available - same positive result. As long as the number of gears is the same all Shimano shifters and derailleurs are compatible.
That's not strictly true - the cable pull ratio of Shimano road and MTB components diverged after the 9-speed era. We cover this topic in depth in this guide: www.bikeradar.com/advice/buyers-guides/a-complete-guide-to-rear-derailleurs
1x9 speed in 2024 😂 and BikeRadar thinks this is cool?
It is 1x11 right?
@@jonaslippert6963 it could be set up as 1x9 to 1x11 or even 2x
Cues will be available in 9-, 10- and 11-speed and replace all 7-, 8-, 9-, 10- and 11-speed groupsets. Deore, XT and XTR will stay but only in 12-speed versions. 1x9 makes absolute sense on city bikes.
@@jonaslippert6963 It is 1x9, 2x9, 1x10, 2x10, 1x11 and 2x11. At least the flat bar version is, so this should be too