Ian, you should do a completely tongue-in-cheek / april fools style video on Forgotten Weapons about your dog. Have a thumbnail with a picture of her and her country of origin, then have her on a table in front of you and go over her features, what she was originally bred for, instead of a shooting demonstration throw a ball and highlight how she moves etc.
I am now about 2 years behind cutting edge which is my sweet spot. Still relevant and yet just behind enough to profit from others misfortune. Ian's issue with the red dot on the pistol for example. As soon as reliability is solved I'm all in. Thanks Ian for blazing the trail for me.
Loving the series and deep dives. It is a good way to lean things, especially when coupled with the actual shooting and using the stuff. The combination makes for a more complete and comprehensible expirience. Looking forward to more, guys! And while I appreciate the WWSD stuff, do not forget your more historic content and also goofyness (Yes, looking at you Karl, with that "What a lovely day" video. Still love that.). Keep at it!
I am a patreon supporter and I love the long format videos, your knowledge, flexibility and willingness to admit when you're not right the first time are priceless. Keep it up guys.
InRange as clickbait, eh? "We Gave This Gazelle An AR And Told Him To Scale The Wall Of Doom - You Won't Believe What Happened Next!" "This Hacker Found A New Use For His Red Dot..."
Having a white light on a rifle with a bipod is no joke. The Mk12 Mod 1 that I was issued had a bipod and a white light (amongst other things), and no one who was on the other end found it funny. Do what makes sense for you, and screw everyone else. I still love InRange & Forgotten Weapons. Please keep up the great work, Ian! 🤙
I've just finished watching the whole Hard as Hell WWSD series and these conclusion videos. I thoroughly enjoyed the lot. Really well done with great info.
So many people say about the 92fs, "but you can see the locking block! It's totally exposed!" Yet a glock or sig uses the barrel hood as a locking surface, and you can't get any more exposed than that.
Chris F It's more complex than just a barrel hood, though, and there are multiple ways for gunk to get in. That said it's fairly resilient despite being so open. Not really surprised Karl's worked well.
You guys are right. I'm a Patreon supporter and this is exactly the kind of thing I love to see. Tabletop reviews have their place but I'd rather get a legitimate review after you have used the shit out of your products and setups. I appreciate this approach rather than trying to be the first one to review something new as soon as it's released. I'll gladly wait. I love what you guys do, keep it up.
I was looking forward to this video even though I don't shoot often, compete in matches, or own a fire arm. I find firearms (and the gear that surrounds it) fascinating as there's so much variety of practice and philosophy that surrounds them. It's good to hear honest opinions on what works and what doesn't that aren't clouded by sponsorship, advertisement, fear of offending others and so on. These match reviews have come to be one of my favourite things to watch as they cover a wide range of topics that surrounds a central core which is the match. Keep making great honest content!
I started watching this, saw it was 50 minutes, and said to myself I'll start it now and finish it later. Forty five minutes that felt like fifteen I realized the video was almost over..... Darn you guys for making such good videos!
You guys are totally right on the ammo. I've done the math and after 5k rounds (which is about how long it takes for tulammo to destroy your barrel) You've saved enough money to buy an entirely new upper and still have $100 extra. cheap ammo is great.
Thank y'all so much. I have walked away from the AR world because I was board/tired of it. But with the WWSD has me wanting to do this now. Thank y'all again.
Karl, after watching a couple of videos where you raved about the Beretta, I saw one at a pawn shop a few months ago at a decent price and decided to try one. I'd never shot one before, as I'm with you on slide mounted controls and I generally just don't care for hammer fired pistols. After trying it though, holy crap. I did swap the hammer spring out for the D model to make the double action pull better, and I'm very interested in that G safety mod that you referenced. But I definitely understand what you mean about ease of shooting. Thanks for being the inspiration/excuse for me to pick up a new toy!
35:53 @InRangeTV Ian, it's a magnetic bipod--you can have more than one mount point for it! The question is--can you buy the mount separate from the bipod? Is it cheap enough to buy two and keep a spare set of legs? Can we amass enough interest for the company to offer that?
I have to have a single action trigger because I liked the Beretta so much when I was in the navy. I had never shot before but I did ok with the m9. When I got out I shot a bunch of striker fired and DAO hammer fired pistols and was never as good. Picked up a m9 again and was shooting awesome.
I'm much the same way. I can shoot DAO or strikers well, that's not the problem but give me a proper SA and oh boy, watch those targets fall. Give me a 1911 or true DA M9 or Sig any day.
⚡️Thanks for the break down guys. Started the podcast in the truck on Patreon podcast and had to start over on UA-cam to catch visuals. My dogs even enjoyed this episode. Keep up the great content and I'll keep sending the coin! 👍
My D-60 seats in my rifle on a closed bolt without any problems. However, Gen 2 P-Mags don't fit flush. My rifle is an LWRCI IC-Enhanced (M6), the rifle that was entered into the US Army individual carbine program a number of years ago. Excellent video! I enjoy these "deep dive" videos and look forward to seeing what you'll have in the future. That's awesome y'all can make these videos. Cheers 🍻!!!
Some of us prefer that musty old French webbing.. It's like playing on hardcore difficulty instead of easy. The glorious feeling of everything flopping around as you run and never finding the mag pouch exactly where you left it. Makes you feel alive!
Trijicon RM01 Type 2 or RM06 Type 2 are the only RMR’s I’d ever put my $$ down on out of the options out there. Love Trijicon products. I have the TA02-RM01 4x32 ACOG w/RM01 RMR (Tenebrex Killflash on both the ACOG & RMR) and they have worked flawless on my Daniel Defense MK18. The 3.25 MOA Dot works great for super in close stuff. The RMR isn’t the Type 2, but it doesn’t need to be with the lack of Recoil it sees on top of my TA02 ACOG. I can’t wait to try a Type 2 on one of my Pistols, but I don’t have any that are milled for RMR’s.
I have been running a Leupold DeltaPoint Pro 2.5 dot on a G17 and have been very happy with it. Plus you can change the battery without removing the optic.
My 92FS is my home self defense choice with Critical Defense rounds. I have a HP, 1911 and Luger but the Beretta is the one that I shoot the best with.
I commented on the HMG Facebook page that I'm building up Tula 7.62X39 for there StG I have ordered in that caliber. They commented that the primer in Tula seemed to deeper seated so they are putting a longer firing pin in that caliber bolt.
I have a habit of downloading all of my mags by at least one or two rounds. Especially in moon dust environments for the same reasons you have mentioned. I've been through waist deep moon dust and found that for what ever reason my mags seemed to function better with less tension on the springs. Less friction is what I figured.
Having been in rear line units when we went to M9 Ranges, we had range briefings with lines such as "Lane one aim at lane three's target, Lane two aim at lane one's target, Lane three aim at lane four's target, Lane four aim at lane two's target..." That being said, I fully endorse and encourage people to buy new commercial produced M92 pistols.
I've seen some PPCLI (1 & 3) guys with those mag pouches, never knew the proper name for them until now. Interesting that Karl's come to the same conclusion as many members of such an elite unit tasked with such a diverse mission spectrum. with the context of those mag pouches being trusted around parachute cords and mountaineering ropes... I can believe Karl and Ian's own endorsement of the design. (Princess Patricia Canadian Light Infantry number 3 is an All-weather, All-terrain Paratroop infantry battalion, and the spear of the Canadian regular infantry force and Number 1 Battalion is a mechanised infantry specialising in & contains recon, signals and sniper groups.)
Thank you! I think that even though the environments and goals are different, we can come to similar conclusions and solutions as long as the environment we "play" in is practically sound enough. I've seen that theme recurringly. ~Karl
Have you looked at the Shield RMS for a pistol red dot? I'm considering one for my G17 MOS. They're marketed specifically for slide mounts, with a mounting plate for the MOS Glocks that sits it low enough to co-witness standard irons, and they use a battery drawer so you don't have to re zero the sight every time you change the battery.
Aaron Cowan of Sage Dynamics (they've got a youtube channel) says the Shield RMS is a no-go. He's beat the hell out of a Trijicon RMR,and it still runs. If I didn't have a RMR already,I would have gone with a Deltapoint.
You should try shimming the battery and contact on the RMR with electrical tape to stop the battery from shifting and causing the dot to flicker under recoil. I was having the same issue after about 5000 rounds and this fixed it. Also Trijicon just released the type 2 RMR which has been redesigned to mitigate certain issues related the red dots on pistols.
Seems to be very good gear for matches but I'd never choose to have mag holders that do not have a top cover. And while i'm sure they are great in desert/badlands where you live i'm not sure they would work as well in forests or in snow. Then again if it starts snowing where you live then snow packed mags are probably the least of your problems.
I really cant believe/trust that mag pouches without tops will be trustworthy in forests. Besides there is leaves/pine , bark , twigs and other fun stuff in woods that can mess with a gun and equipment. Had a rifle malfunction because pine needless had managed to get in the trigger group and jammed the trigger.
Its really easy too fix (provided you have your cleaning kit) but really hard to figure out :) Problem being that its not something you can fix without taking apart the rifle.
I've never had any issues with Tula 9mm, put about 1500 rounds of it through my P320 before any lubrication or cleaning and I experienced no failures of any sort.
The problem that most grunts had with the M92's was with the mags. Sure the pistol itself was at beat to shit levels but it would run. They would never let us have new mags for the thing so we were using 5+ year old mags that would behave weird as shit before adding dust or sand and after that good fuck luck after your first round. Once they started to replace the mags most of the complaints went away.
You can fit 5 AUG mags into an Austrian canteen pouch.... not that i´ve done that or anything... and ive certainly never folded up my mg47 belt into it to fire it from the hip standing up while our drill instructor wasnt looking at the range...
Regarding the RMR on your glock, I have a Vortex Venom on my FNX 45 tac. It has worked flawlessly, I have not done extensive research but it has worked for me.
20:14 you guys are talking about "ammo humpers", the unsung heroes of a gunner team. you want to have a bad day? carry hundreds of pounds of ammo and never get to shoot the boomstick.
So as a single point of info I have personally experienced a single failure on a ten round PMAG. The second round (9th in the stack) out of the mag got hung up on the M4-style feed ramps of my midlength gas system AR.
The main point in the RMR's downfall for such shooting is the battery location and retention, which is much harder to access and modify/fix. All the top mount/side plate battery designs are much more durable without maintenance, hence the Deltapoint Pro and Vortex's offerings pretty much dominating at this point. I love the RMR's clarity, dot variety and bomb proof housing, but the battery location and unease of access means I'll never choose one until Trijicon redesign it. On the handgun topic, Karl it would be interesting to see your opinion on the Wilson Combat Beretta 92G Brigadier Tactical, seems to be the best of the Beretta mods and tweaks.
I use a lot of Tula 9mm for training with no problems, but my gun is not contaminated with moon dust either. Would not trust it for defense and it does rust if not stored properly. Tula rifle ammo forget it. I have three 308 rifles that have had siezed broken cases in them, have heard the same of .223. The Silver Bear zinc coated steel case ammo has proven totally reliable and quite peppy in rifle loadings. Now I'm checking out Faxon barrels, thanks.
The more of the WWSD rifles I see the more it starts to remember me of the german g36 rifle. The g36 is extremely light, it has got a zommed scope and a red-dot even if shitty by comparison to the mordern optics. The mags can be clipped together to extend the ammo on tap and the rifle is reliable as far as I can see (a friend of mine is in the Bundeswehr and he loves his rifle). Further there is a general purpose and a spacial forces or "doorkicker" variant of the g36 in use. Also it is very ambidextrous.
Karl you said at some point you think Tula doesn't change the powder metering setup when going from 5.45 to .223, thus explaining the vary light powder charge. Do you think there is a similar lazy short cut happening from 9mm Mak to 9mm Luger? (There 9mm luger seems to be lightly loaded to me.) Could the handguard be mounted upside down? If so would that help keep your hand away from the hardware when it's hot? The hardware being right in front of your red dot wouldn't cause any problems I can think of. Ian, have you considered leaving the bipod mount on the front of the handguard and mounting a second one on the back so you could use the bipod however is best at that time? (On to the undirected questions and stuff.) Xproducts 50 round drums were $200 to $320 so they were the most expensive mag I've seen. (Now the lowest priced one is $150.) Have you seen the flat buffer springs? The description on this page makes me think they might effectively have a higher spring load. www.apexgunparts.com/ar15-m16-flat-buffer-spring-new-us-made.html?Newsletter&MP-40%2C+M53+Kits%2C+and+awesome+deals%21&Standard+Newsletter+7-21-17 Do you think a stronger buffer spring could help the first round from the D60 drum feed?
I have a P mag, and it is fine, but I like the Lancers better. They seem easier to load, the steel feed lips do not get more flexible when they are hot, and these magazines are a little slicker and easier to insert into the well.
Also, I have a Taurus PT 99, which is like the Beretta, which I shoot well, and whose safety I like better, but I retired it. First the rear sight broke. Then the locking block. Finally, the trigger return spring broke at the start of a stage. Granted, it's nearly 30 years old, but those failures, and more stovepipes than you would expect, and now I shoot an M&P Pro.
Karl, about your M9 holster (UM84), you missed a lot of the functionality. This holster was designed by John Bianchi then president of Bianchi Leather and Brigadier General, US Army Reserve, retired. It is totally ambidextrous, in that the flap can be easily moved to the other side for lefties (like Ian) and the belt loop is on both sides. Also, it can be used with or without the flap and can be used in an ambidextrous cross-draw configuration. It was also available with a shoulder holster harness. And what about the cleaning rod that is on the front edge and the fact that it is heavily padded for protection and unlike Tidex, it won't crack. I know that I'm probably forgetting something as the General thought of everything. I totally agree, the military got it right. Sorry about being 4 years late with this comment.
Drum mags seem to always have quirks or flaws but those D60s seem like the best modernized drums to date. First round feeding issues just seem like a problem drum mags will forever be plagued by.
Ian How does your heeler handle the land of spikes and thorns that is Tucson? Here in Texas I only have a fraction the thorns you do and I'm always pulling things out of her or avoiding areas all together. Those 60 round drums need patched lanyards loops ala Finnish WWII mags
i agree with the beretta 92, especially the decocker. it is a great gun. love the new m3 as well. still prefer the runner up, p226 myself, but the beretta is a nice firearm.
Aguila 7.62x51 is terrible for primers popping out. Never got into the trigger but i had several malfunctions because of primers ending up in the locking recess and camming surfaces
I want to guess the charging handle you are getting is the Geissele Airborne charging handle. If so, I have one and zero regrets about it. It was totally worth it to me, but I will enjoy to hear your take on it with your needs related to it.
Thanks very much for the review and the how it went in the HAH match - great info! I heard you mention that you didn't have situations where the sling could have come into play.. seems to me you had more than one. I hope you think about that - use of the gear is part of the "thing" isn't it? Regardless, thanks guys!! I really enjoyed watching and hearing about your experiences.
Trijicon has very recently updated the adjustable RMR, specifically addressing the flickering issue on pistols. I can't speak to the effectiveness of those changes, but it's worth noting.
That's like having one bad date with a woman and switching to dating guys..it doesn't make sense. Check out Aaron Cowan's videos on pistol mounted Red Dot Sights. Hes with Sage Dynamics. He's beaten the hell out of a RMR,and it still runs.
These guys make me feel less guilty about my steel-cased habit! I'd buy .22lr in steel case if I could (might need some spare firing pins at that point). P.S. I'm getting a USGI 20-rounder... for my wall-hanger A1 clone ;D
So Karl, I have a recently purchased 92A1, and I have two holsters like yours. My Beretta goes in okay, but it won't come out without serious effort. The rail grabs the inside of the holster. So, how did you get yours to work?
My how things change regarding the HHV helmet recommendation between the time this video was filmed compared to the ballistic test video 6 months later. ;)
I love the Beretta just not its weight. If they could make a light weight Polymer version of the M9 as heavy or even lighter than the G17, I would pick it up right away.
Top shot is not an educational source for gunfighting or competition. It is for entertainment. Take some classes. Steel cased is cheaper and steel in general is more widely available than brass so that is why it is used, like when the US had a brass shortage but still needed 45acp during WW2, steel sufficed. Brass is the superior material however.
Many countries issue steel cased ammunition. These days it's not as bad as you may think. A small accuracy loss, but people are always less accurate than their rifles.
Trijicon just released the RMR Type 2, which is supposed to have all the electronic issued solved while retaining exterior durability that the delta point doesn't quite have
Ian or Karl; Do you think something like the Trijicon RMR RM05 would be more viable on a pistol since it uses Tritium and fiber optics for reticle illumination rather than a battery like the RM07? That way there is no worries about the reticle flickering from battery contact, or lack thereof? I know it has pros and cons over the RM07, one pro being no battery, so no having to take it off the change batteries and then re-zero.. but a con being it has the larger 12.9MOA green triangle reticle. I'm looking at a Trijicon RM05 or the British-made Shield RMS for my Glock 41MOS.
Here in the Czech republic, I shoot 55gr S&B brass-cased ammo for about 42¢/round. I could get steel-cased Barnaul for a bit lower, but not enough to overcome my dislike of them.
IAN! Don't forget about VORTEX!! The Razor red dot is good enough to run 3 gun on an M&P that's ported for The King! If it works for Jerry Miculek how fast he runs the guns then it should be great for your Glock!!
Open to whomever: Has anyone used the "Duty staggered pistol taco's" on a belt? I like that it's space saving width on a belt but dunno if it's awkward to use versus a horizontal double.
That "change nothing" axiom reminds me so much of my weightlifting days in high school. There were so many guys that would take weird energy supplements right before matches, or try some weird technique for the first time, and you never know how that stuff might affect you if you haven't trained with it.
I’ve ran exclusively 9mm Tulammo in my beretta 92FS and my 9mm Scorpion EVO (only about 1,000 each though) and have yet to have a malfunction. Maybe it’s just Tula and moon dust that don’t get along.
Do they make variable optics where you can just push a button and have it switch between preprogrammed settings like a radio? I imagine theyre heavy and unsuited to the WWSD project, but I can see them being useful in matches.
Ian, you should do a completely tongue-in-cheek / april fools style video on Forgotten Weapons about your dog. Have a thumbnail with a picture of her and her country of origin, then have her on a table in front of you and go over her features, what she was originally bred for, instead of a shooting demonstration throw a ball and highlight how she moves etc.
Please!!!!!!!
Love it
This would be an awesome video.
“Here he comes to save the day.”
Sounds like something Andy Kauffman would pull. Too funny.
I am now about 2 years behind cutting edge which is my sweet spot. Still relevant and yet just behind enough to profit from others misfortune. Ian's issue with the red dot on the pistol for example. As soon as reliability is solved I'm all in. Thanks Ian for blazing the trail for me.
Loving the series and deep dives. It is a good way to lean things, especially when coupled with the actual shooting and using the stuff. The combination makes for a more complete and comprehensible expirience. Looking forward to more, guys! And while I appreciate the WWSD stuff, do not forget your more historic content and also goofyness (Yes, looking at you Karl, with that "What a lovely day" video. Still love that.). Keep at it!
A dump pouch really is an essential bit of kit, when I was deployed I was running two of them.
I am a patreon supporter and I love the long format videos, your knowledge, flexibility and willingness to admit when you're not right the first time are priceless. Keep it up guys.
Thank you! ~Karl
InRange as clickbait, eh?
"We Gave This Gazelle An AR And Told Him To Scale The Wall Of Doom - You Won't Believe What Happened Next!"
"This Hacker Found A New Use For His Red Dot..."
50 minute InRange video? Hell yeah!
DOG IS LIKE STOP TALKING AND START SCRATCHING
Rich Hart I didn't even notice doggo until 12:34
Doggo seems to have stolen the show!
Rich Hart Hey. Hey human. Less talkies, more walkies.
Tell Ian to check out the type 2 RMR. Supposedly it was optimized to be mounted on a handgun, where as the original was not.
There's supposedly a battery hack to help with the 1st gen RMR(see Mrgunsngear Gen2 RMR review).
I could listen to these two talk all day. love the vids
Seriously, the 3rd co-host do deserve an introduction. We do not even know her name.
Dharma, from recent Q&A, and Rat Patrol parody.
Wonder how her sandwiches taste liek.
WE DEMAND TO KNOW THE PUPPERS NAME!
It might be Dharma, see Ian's ' Definitely not a Rat Patrol intro parody from 2013' video
Deep dives like this are great, keep them coming!
Having a white light on a rifle with a bipod is no joke. The Mk12 Mod 1 that I was issued had a bipod and a white light (amongst other things), and no one who was on the other end found it funny. Do what makes sense for you, and screw everyone else.
I still love InRange & Forgotten Weapons. Please keep up the great work, Ian! 🤙
I've just finished watching the whole Hard as Hell WWSD series and these conclusion videos. I thoroughly enjoyed the lot. Really well done with great info.
So many people say about the 92fs, "but you can see the locking block! It's totally exposed!" Yet a glock or sig uses the barrel hood as a locking surface, and you can't get any more exposed than that.
Chris F It's more complex than just a barrel hood, though, and there are multiple ways for gunk to get in. That said it's fairly resilient despite being so open. Not really surprised Karl's worked well.
You guys are right. I'm a Patreon supporter and this is exactly the kind of thing I love to see.
Tabletop reviews have their place but I'd rather get a legitimate review after you have used the shit out of your products and setups.
I appreciate this approach rather than trying to be the first one to review something new as soon as it's released. I'll gladly wait.
I love what you guys do, keep it up.
+Aleks Rojo Thank you! ~Karl
I was looking forward to this video even though I don't shoot often, compete in matches, or own a fire arm. I find firearms (and the gear that surrounds it) fascinating as there's so much variety of practice and philosophy that surrounds them. It's good to hear honest opinions on what works and what doesn't that aren't clouded by sponsorship, advertisement, fear of offending others and so on. These match reviews have come to be one of my favourite things to watch as they cover a wide range of topics that surrounds a central core which is the match. Keep making great honest content!
Thank you! ~Karl
I started watching this, saw it was 50 minutes, and said to myself I'll start it now and finish it later. Forty five minutes that felt like fifteen I realized the video was almost over.....
Darn you guys for making such good videos!
You guys are totally right on the ammo. I've done the math and after 5k rounds (which is about how long it takes for tulammo to destroy your barrel) You've saved enough money to buy an entirely new upper and still have $100 extra. cheap ammo is great.
Enjoyed the long format.
Thank y'all so much. I have walked away from the AR world because I was board/tired of it. But with the WWSD has me wanting to do this now. Thank y'all again.
Thank you, glad you're enjoying it! ~K
Karl, after watching a couple of videos where you raved about the Beretta, I saw one at a pawn shop a few months ago at a decent price and decided to try one. I'd never shot one before, as I'm with you on slide mounted controls and I generally just don't care for hammer fired pistols. After trying it though, holy crap. I did swap the hammer spring out for the D model to make the double action pull better, and I'm very interested in that G safety mod that you referenced. But I definitely understand what you mean about ease of shooting. Thanks for being the inspiration/excuse for me to pick up a new toy!
You're welcome! I believe they're under appreciated pistols. Enjoy! ~Karl
35:53 @InRangeTV Ian, it's a magnetic bipod--you can have more than one mount point for it! The question is--can you buy the mount separate from the bipod? Is it cheap enough to buy two and keep a spare set of legs? Can we amass enough interest for the company to offer that?
I have to have a single action trigger because I liked the Beretta so much when I was in the navy. I had never shot before but I did ok with the m9. When I got out I shot a bunch of striker fired and DAO hammer fired pistols and was never as good. Picked up a m9 again and was shooting awesome.
I'm much the same way. I can shoot DAO or strikers well, that's not the problem but give me a proper SA and oh boy, watch those targets fall. Give me a 1911 or true DA M9 or Sig any day.
Definitely enjoy the long and detailed video, and yes Patreon supporter here. You guys are doing it right!
Thank you! ~Karl
Very excited to see where this project is a few months/years into the future, and loving following along as well!
⚡️Thanks for the break down guys. Started the podcast in the truck on Patreon podcast and had to start over on UA-cam to catch visuals. My dogs even enjoyed this episode. Keep up the great content and I'll keep sending the coin! 👍
My D-60 seats in my rifle on a closed bolt without any problems. However, Gen 2 P-Mags don't fit flush. My rifle is an LWRCI IC-Enhanced (M6), the rifle that was entered into the US Army individual carbine program a number of years ago. Excellent video! I enjoy these "deep dive" videos and look forward to seeing what you'll have in the future. That's awesome y'all can make these videos. Cheers 🍻!!!
"It's like carrying Chauchat magazines,"
No wonder he likes the d60
Some of us prefer that musty old French webbing.. It's like playing on hardcore difficulty instead of easy. The glorious feeling of everything flopping around as you run and never finding the mag pouch exactly where you left it. Makes you feel alive!
These guys make me want to connect with old friends
50 minutes of gear discussion? Count me in!
Absolutely love these deep dive videos.
Keep 'em coming!
The flickering on the RMR is one of the main reasons Trijicon just came out with the RMR type 2
That's nice, we went with the DPP. ~Karl
Trijicon RM01 Type 2 or RM06 Type 2 are the only RMR’s I’d ever put my $$ down on out of the options out there. Love Trijicon products. I have the TA02-RM01 4x32 ACOG w/RM01 RMR (Tenebrex Killflash on both the ACOG & RMR) and they have worked flawless on my Daniel Defense MK18. The 3.25 MOA Dot works great for super in close stuff. The RMR isn’t the Type 2, but it doesn’t need to be with the lack of Recoil it sees on top of my TA02 ACOG. I can’t wait to try a Type 2 on one of my Pistols, but I don’t have any that are milled for RMR’s.
I have been running a Leupold DeltaPoint Pro 2.5 dot on a G17 and have been very happy with it. Plus you can change the battery without removing the optic.
My 92FS is my home self defense choice with Critical Defense rounds. I have a HP, 1911 and Luger but the Beretta is the one that I shoot the best with.
I commented on the HMG Facebook page that I'm building up Tula 7.62X39 for there StG I have ordered in that caliber. They commented that the primer in Tula seemed to deeper seated so they are putting a longer firing pin in that caliber bolt.
I have a habit of downloading all of my mags by at least one or two rounds. Especially in moon dust environments for the same reasons you have mentioned. I've been through waist deep moon dust and found that for what ever reason my mags seemed to function better with less tension on the springs. Less friction is what I figured.
Having been in rear line units when we went to M9 Ranges, we had range briefings with lines such as "Lane one aim at lane three's target, Lane two aim at lane one's target, Lane three aim at lane four's target, Lane four aim at lane two's target..." That being said, I fully endorse and encourage people to buy new commercial produced M92 pistols.
"The Angle grip gives me" a 33% decrease in the first shot multiplier .
Peter mercil same thing, either term can be used correctly.
For real operators it reduces ADS time.
When you're so tactical that even your dog is desert tan.
Shooting world tag team champions sure are fond of their belts. Darn faces. ;-) great recommendation for practical shooting. Keep up the great advice!
I've seen some PPCLI (1 & 3) guys with those mag pouches, never knew the proper name for them until now. Interesting that Karl's come to the same conclusion as many members of such an elite unit tasked with such a diverse mission spectrum.
with the context of those mag pouches being trusted around parachute cords and mountaineering ropes... I can believe Karl and Ian's own endorsement of the design.
(Princess Patricia Canadian Light Infantry number 3 is an All-weather, All-terrain Paratroop infantry battalion, and the spear of the Canadian regular infantry force
and Number 1 Battalion is a mechanised infantry specialising in & contains recon, signals and sniper groups.)
Thank you! I think that even though the environments and goals are different, we can come to similar conclusions and solutions as long as the environment we "play" in is practically sound enough. I've seen that theme recurringly. ~Karl
Have you looked at the Shield RMS for a pistol red dot? I'm considering one for my G17 MOS. They're marketed specifically for slide mounts, with a mounting plate for the MOS Glocks that sits it low enough to co-witness standard irons, and they use a battery drawer so you don't have to re zero the sight every time you change the battery.
Aaron Cowan of Sage Dynamics (they've got a youtube channel) says the Shield RMS is a no-go.
He's beat the hell out of a Trijicon RMR,and it still runs.
If I didn't have a RMR already,I would have gone with a Deltapoint.
You should try shimming the battery and contact on the RMR with electrical tape to stop the battery from shifting and causing the dot to flicker under recoil. I was having the same issue after about 5000 rounds and this fixed it. Also Trijicon just released the type 2 RMR which has been redesigned to mitigate certain issues related the red dots on pistols.
We're going to the Delta Ppoint Pro instead if trying to deal with the RMR any further. ~Karl
Doggo is a star.
Seems to be very good gear for matches but I'd never choose to have mag holders that do not have a top cover. And while i'm sure they are great in desert/badlands where you live i'm not sure they would work as well in forests or in snow. Then again if it starts snowing where you live then snow packed mags are probably the least of your problems.
This stuff works even better in forest because there is no dust and sand everywhere. Snow becomes problem only when you keep your mags rounds up.
I really cant believe/trust that mag pouches without tops will be trustworthy in forests. Besides there is leaves/pine , bark , twigs and other fun stuff in woods that can mess with a gun and equipment. Had a rifle malfunction because pine needless had managed to get in the trigger group and jammed the trigger.
That sounds actually pretty bad.
Its really easy too fix (provided you have your cleaning kit) but really hard to figure out :) Problem being that its not something you can fix without taking apart the rifle.
It can snow in Tucson. I experienced it first hand. Mt. Lemon, north of Tucson, has a ski area.
Love the deep dives, keep 'em up!
I've never had any issues with Tula 9mm, put about 1500 rounds of it through my P320 before any lubrication or cleaning and I experienced no failures of any sort.
Thanks for your work guys.
The problem that most grunts had with the M92's was with the mags. Sure the pistol itself was at beat to shit levels but it would run. They would never let us have new mags for the thing so we were using 5+ year old mags that would behave weird as shit before adding dust or sand and after that good fuck luck after your first round. Once they started to replace the mags most of the complaints went away.
I like the single latch extended charging handles, gives you good purchase but since it isn't ambi it has less opportunity to snag
I wonder if an old canteen pouch could hold the Magpul D60
Austin Nevitt Probably. I think the canteen is bigger too.
You can fit 5 AUG mags into an Austrian canteen pouch.... not that i´ve done that or anything...
and ive certainly never folded up my mg47 belt into it to fire it from the hip standing up while our drill instructor wasnt looking at the range...
Regarding the RMR on your glock, I have a Vortex Venom on my FNX 45 tac. It has worked flawlessly, I have not done extensive research but it has worked for me.
20:14 you guys are talking about "ammo humpers", the unsung heroes of a gunner team. you want to have a bad day? carry hundreds of pounds of ammo and never get to shoot the boomstick.
So as a single point of info I have personally experienced a single failure on a ten round PMAG. The second round (9th in the stack) out of the mag got hung up on the M4-style feed ramps of my midlength gas system AR.
The main point in the RMR's downfall for such shooting is the battery location and retention, which is much harder to access and modify/fix. All the top mount/side plate battery designs are much more durable without maintenance, hence the Deltapoint Pro and Vortex's offerings pretty much dominating at this point.
I love the RMR's clarity, dot variety and bomb proof housing, but the battery location and unease of access means I'll never choose one until Trijicon redesign it.
On the handgun topic, Karl it would be interesting to see your opinion on the Wilson Combat Beretta 92G Brigadier Tactical, seems to be the best of the Beretta mods and tweaks.
I use a lot of Tula 9mm for training with no problems, but my gun is not contaminated with moon dust either. Would not trust it for defense and it does rust if not stored properly. Tula rifle ammo forget it. I have three 308 rifles that have had siezed broken cases in them, have heard the same of .223. The Silver Bear zinc coated steel case ammo has proven totally reliable and quite peppy in rifle loadings. Now I'm checking out Faxon barrels, thanks.
I am a bit fan of the MecGar 20 round mags for the 92.
The more of the WWSD rifles I see the more it starts to remember me of the german g36 rifle. The g36 is extremely light, it has got a zommed scope and a red-dot even if shitty by comparison to the mordern optics. The mags can be clipped together to extend the ammo on tap and the rifle is reliable as far as I can see (a friend of mine is in the Bundeswehr and he loves his rifle). Further there is a general purpose and a spacial forces or "doorkicker" variant of the g36 in use. Also it is very ambidextrous.
Great work Guys! Worth listening to.
Karl you said at some point you think Tula doesn't change the powder metering setup when going from 5.45 to .223, thus explaining the vary light powder charge.
Do you think there is a similar lazy short cut happening from 9mm Mak to 9mm Luger?
(There 9mm luger seems to be lightly loaded to me.)
Could the handguard be mounted upside down? If so would that help keep your hand away from the hardware when it's hot?
The hardware being right in front of your red dot wouldn't cause any problems I can think of.
Ian, have you considered leaving the bipod mount on the front of the handguard and mounting a second one on the back so you could use the bipod however is best at that time?
(On to the undirected questions and stuff.)
Xproducts 50 round drums were $200 to $320 so they were the most expensive mag I've seen.
(Now the lowest priced one is $150.)
Have you seen the flat buffer springs? The description on this page makes me think they might effectively have a higher spring load.
www.apexgunparts.com/ar15-m16-flat-buffer-spring-new-us-made.html?Newsletter&MP-40%2C+M53+Kits%2C+and+awesome+deals%21&Standard+Newsletter+7-21-17
Do you think a stronger buffer spring could help the first round from the D60 drum feed?
I have a P mag, and it is fine, but I like the Lancers better. They seem easier to load, the steel feed lips do not get more flexible when they are hot, and these magazines are a little slicker and easier to insert into the well.
Also, I have a Taurus PT 99, which is like the Beretta, which I shoot well, and whose safety I like better, but I retired it. First the rear sight broke. Then the locking block. Finally, the trigger return spring broke at the start of a stage. Granted, it's nearly 30 years old, but those failures, and more stovepipes than you would expect, and now I shoot an M&P Pro.
Karl, about your M9 holster (UM84), you missed a lot of the functionality. This holster was designed by John Bianchi then president of Bianchi Leather and Brigadier General, US Army Reserve, retired. It is totally ambidextrous, in that the flap can be easily moved to the other side for lefties (like Ian) and the belt loop is on both sides. Also, it can be used with or without the flap and can be used in an ambidextrous cross-draw configuration. It was also available with a shoulder holster harness. And what about the cleaning rod that is on the front edge and the fact that it is heavily padded for protection and unlike Tidex, it won't crack. I know that I'm probably forgetting something as the General thought of everything. I totally agree, the military got it right. Sorry about being 4 years late with this comment.
Really wish I could run Tula at matches here in CO, but we have fire issues. I do use Winchester forged ammunition for pistol.
Drum mags seem to always have quirks or flaws but those D60s seem like the best modernized drums to date. First round feeding issues just seem like a problem drum mags will forever be plagued by.
Ian How does your heeler handle the land of spikes and thorns that is Tucson? Here in Texas I only have a fraction the thorns you do and I'm always pulling things out of her or avoiding areas all together.
Those 60 round drums need patched lanyards loops ala Finnish WWII mags
i agree with the beretta 92, especially the decocker. it is a great gun. love the new m3 as well. still prefer the runner up, p226 myself, but the beretta is a nice firearm.
Aguila 7.62x51 is terrible for primers popping out. Never got into the trigger but i had several malfunctions because of primers ending up in the locking recess and camming surfaces
38:35 Weekendgunnit Picatinny Law requires all Railspace to be used at all times. RRRRRREEEEEEE!
#InRangeTv i hope you read this but you can put the mag in a pouch in the reverse if the pouch has a clip... like bottom down instead of bottom up....
I want to guess the charging handle you are getting is the Geissele Airborne charging handle.
If so, I have one and zero regrets about it. It was totally worth it to me, but I will enjoy to hear your take on it with your needs related to it.
Thanks very much for the review and the how it went in the HAH match - great info! I heard you mention that you didn't have situations where the sling could have come into play.. seems to me you had more than one. I hope you think about that - use of the gear is part of the "thing" isn't it? Regardless, thanks guys!! I really enjoyed watching and hearing about your experiences.
Trijicon has very recently updated the adjustable RMR, specifically addressing the flickering issue on pistols. I can't speak to the effectiveness of those changes, but it's worth noting.
We're going to the delta point pro and skpping the RMR at this point. ~Karl
That's like having one bad date with a woman and switching to dating guys..it doesn't make sense.
Check out Aaron Cowan's videos on pistol mounted Red Dot Sights. Hes with Sage Dynamics. He's beaten the hell out of a RMR,and it still runs.
These guys make me feel less guilty about my steel-cased habit! I'd buy .22lr in steel case if I could (might need some spare firing pins at that point).
P.S. I'm getting a USGI 20-rounder... for my wall-hanger A1 clone ;D
So Karl, I have a recently purchased 92A1, and I have two holsters like yours. My Beretta goes in okay, but it won't come out without serious effort. The rail grabs the inside of the holster. So, how did you get yours to work?
I don't know as I've never had that issue? ~Karl
Yup I remember when all of a sudden everybody was scrambling for SAW pouches. Something I wish I'd kept.
My how things change regarding the HHV helmet recommendation between the time this video was filmed compared to the ballistic test video 6 months later. ;)
Try the MecGar 18 round mags for the beretta. My favorite mags for the 92 series!
45:22 same weight as my CROSSMAN 766 with TASCO optics !
No flashlight though
I love the Beretta just not its weight. If they could make a light weight Polymer version of the M9 as heavy or even lighter than the G17, I would pick it up right away.
If scores/lives are on the line then use quality brass cased ammo.
Top shot is not an educational source for gunfighting or competition. It is for entertainment. Take some classes. Steel cased is cheaper and steel in general is more widely available than brass so that is why it is used, like when the US had a brass shortage but still needed 45acp during WW2, steel sufficed. Brass is the superior material however.
Many countries issue steel cased ammunition. These days it's not as bad as you may think. A small accuracy loss, but people are always less accurate than their rifles.
Trijicon just released the RMR Type 2, which is supposed to have all the electronic issued solved while retaining exterior durability that the delta point doesn't quite have
sturmgewehrr the Delta point Pro is very durable. The original Deltapoint not so much
I totally forgot about the Pro
Fantastic video guys.
Wranglerstar had problems with magpul glock mags as well
Ian or Karl; Do you think something like the Trijicon RMR RM05 would be more viable on a pistol since it uses Tritium and fiber optics for reticle illumination rather than a battery like the RM07? That way there is no worries about the reticle flickering from battery contact, or lack thereof? I know it has pros and cons over the RM07, one pro being no battery, so no having to take it off the change batteries and then re-zero.. but a con being it has the larger 12.9MOA green triangle reticle. I'm looking at a Trijicon RM05 or the British-made Shield RMS for my Glock 41MOS.
Here in the Czech republic, I shoot 55gr S&B brass-cased ammo for about 42¢/round. I could get steel-cased Barnaul for a bit lower, but not enough to overcome my dislike of them.
And if you want Magpul reliability that fits in even the tightest pouches, buy EMAGs.
They also add +5 gun-hipster cred.
IAN! Don't forget about VORTEX!! The Razor red dot is good enough to run 3 gun on an M&P that's ported for The King! If it works for Jerry Miculek how fast he runs the guns then it should be great for your Glock!!
Open to whomever: Has anyone used the "Duty staggered pistol taco's" on a belt? I like that it's space saving width on a belt but dunno if it's awkward to use versus a horizontal double.
That "change nothing" axiom reminds me so much of my weightlifting days in high school. There were so many guys that would take weird energy supplements right before matches, or try some weird technique for the first time, and you never know how that stuff might affect you if you haven't trained with it.
You can take the flap off of the UM84 and the pistol still retains fine. Keep my 92 in one as well
Ian you might want to look into a antiflicker plate for your rmr
took me 15 minutes to notice the doggo, that's quite the camouflage on that dog
Instead of using that bipod what if you used the new magpul bipod teamed up with the kinect development group quick detach picatinny rail section?
Aero precision makes a lower that has the PDQ pre installed. I have it and it's nice
Hey Ian/Karl what dump pouches do you guys use?
I’ve ran exclusively 9mm Tulammo in my beretta 92FS and my 9mm Scorpion EVO (only about 1,000 each though) and have yet to have a malfunction. Maybe it’s just Tula and moon dust that don’t get along.
Probably only the UK viewers will get this, I think Ian and his dog are going to be the new John Noakes and Shep
Do they make variable optics where you can just push a button and have it switch between preprogrammed settings like a radio? I imagine theyre heavy and unsuited to the WWSD project, but I can see them being useful in matches.