Days of Future Past would have been an amazing finale for the team up movies if they'd had (a slightly better) Apocalypse BEFORE it. They rushed into it after only one movie of the younger cast. So it should have gone: X-Men, X2, The Last Stand, Origins, First Class, Apocalypse, The Wolverine, Days of Future Past, Logan.
in Logan did they show the Hulk's and his family being Mobsters? I didnt see it but Ive been wondering about that. Like it would conflict with the Avengers version of Hulk.
@@robert48044 Fox didn't own the rights to Hulk I'm pretty sure, plus I don't think it would've fit too well in Logan seeing at how realistic it was besides the Mutants. For Fox, the landowners of the Black family that kept on bullying them I guess were similar to the Hulk Family from the comics.
Another problem with the franchise was putting all of their eggs in the Wolverine basket. They never wanted to take the time to fully develop other characters.
That was the most frustrating thing for me. Bryan Singer wouldn't stop blowing Wolverine at the expense of nearly everyone else, and most of the other filmmakers after him followed his lead.
To put it bluntly, they over relied on a lot of things. Brian Singer, Wolverine, the Xavier/Magneto relationship, bad adaptations, the actors rather than the characters (which was the problem with Cyclops is they kept casting him with dud actors, same with Angel, Banshee and a lot of the others). You have all this crazy shit in the X-Men's corner of the Marvel universe, and we never got to see any of it. How about the Brood? What About Genosha? Can we really see the Morlocks? A true Age of Apocalypse scenario? What if we were to go the Savage Land? And the one that really pisses me off because they teased at it but never delivered: Mr. Sinister and his obsession with Scott Summers and Jean Gray. If you want to do a more contained Scott and Jean story, do Sinister. Hell they did that on the fucking cartoon, and it worked like a charm.
@@pittland44 we also never got the starjammers, the shiaar empire,skrull space, proper version of genosha, madripoor, they completely ignored bishop, Cyclops,storm, rogue, angel and all those colorful iconic costumes and actual origins for mutants
Jeff Extreme I was thinking she didn’t like the role simply because the other actress looked so seductive as Mystique (Supermodel) whereas Jeniffer Lawrence’s looked pretty roundfaced
TheRealist 811 yeah that was retarded, in fact I don’t ever recall mystique saving everyone from an exploding mansion, I don’t recall mystique ever lifting a submarine, and to top it all off she says that right after she makes night crawler and quicksilver save everyone from the shuttle
Not really a fan. I can't stand how awful he looks. He looks like a cosplayer. I'd rather see the tall, muscular guy that we got in the comics. That goes for Magneto too. Where's the muscle-bound intellectual silverfox?
It will certainly set up House of M at the very least. It will reportedly deal with Wanda’s reality warping powers and an idealized 1950s-Essie version of the world that she creates in her own mind.
Either of those characters in a Terminator type movie coming back to save a doomed future would be really 90s and I'd love it. Bishop is my favourite X-men character of all time.
Would have been nice to see more individual stories in movies from the characters and not have them relied on wolverine to carry the franchise and have everything leading up to the X-men forming like avengers maybe it just got hard for them to balance every character on screen
Last stand (writer) ( beginning of the end the rise of Kinberg destroyer of x men and ff4) Part of days of Future past (writer, producer) Apocalypse ( writer, producer) Dark Pheonix ( writer, producer, director) Were written by the same person, Simon kinberg who steadily got more and more power and basically took a shit on it's source material, continuity
You mentioned the first Ironman, but the universe hadn't been established. The reason the Ironman changes worked was because these characters weren't popular in the comics initially. The most popular comic characters from Marvel were Spider-man, Fantastic 4, and X-men.
I don't really care about the costumes being comic book accurate I just want them to be interesting. A good chunk of the MCU costumes are completely different from the comics, but they're usually at least interesting. My favorite example is the Endgame white outfits, they're completely new, but they make sense and they're interesting enough.
You know FOX tried to avoid comic-book accurate costume for the live-action X-Men for a nitty-gritty world where Mutants are hated and enslaved for weaponry, but since Last Stand was failed, a planned 4th film was planned way before the 3rd, and after that...an anthology set of films was planned like Origins: Wolverine, but due to the criticisms, including Deadpool’s appearance, it was later scrapped... Now the MCU released The Avengers, and FOX took notes from it...
X-Men: The Last Stand “great send off” X-Men: Days of Future Past “great send off” X-Men: Apocalypse “great send off” Logan “great send off” X-Men: Dark Phoenix “great send off”
I will never understand why people like X-Men 1. I just always felt bored with it and there were so many parts and characters that were dumb and/or useless (Sabretooth, Toad, and Storm for instance). There are scenes I like, but most of them are when Patrick Stewart and/or Ian McKellen are present.
I've always been a Marvel fan, especially of the X-Men, ever since the 90's X-Men cartoons and the X-Men movies have thoroughly disappointed me. Aside from the crappy continuity, they misused a lot of iconic characters which I have trouble forgiving. The MCU is probably guilty of doing these things as well, but they have the better continuity and iconic characters rarely get misused. Personally, Days of Future Past and Logan are the only ones I really enjoyed, and that's despite the fact that I really disliked Wolverine.
My favorite X-Men movie characters are the 20-or-so 'flying' guys, who all fly the same way, as though they are swinging from an invisible cable. The Invisible Cable Squad, I call them. 5:15
The number one element for me that hamstrung the franchise was the lack of continuity. It began before cinematic universes existed, and the first film did the best it could to give us a base team, but they lacked faith in the characters. They had to include Wolverine because he’s the most popular. It brought us Hugh Jackman, but it started them on the back foot. They also lacked patience in world-building. I’m really hoping that Feige introduces the original team and hangs with them for a while before introducing the rest of the roster. Give us a few films before we ever hear of Wolverine. That would take confidence and patience... plus a willingness of audiences wanting to sit through many of the same stories again. I still think we deserve the quintessential Phoenix story. Introduce the Starjammers like they did Guardians of the Galaxy. Introduce the Shi’ar, so Phoenix doesn’t have to be earthbound and, well, boring. Like you said, it can’t be a direct adaptation of sixty years of comics, but MCU-ize it, take the time, and establish continuity. The number one offender of this has to be Mystique. Once they cast Jennifer Lawrence and made her a good guy, and then once Lawrence became a superstar, we suddenly had entire films based around a poorly-established side character. It threw the wrench in everything. By the time Dark Phoenix arrived, I didn’t know anything about their Jean nor care about what she was going through. It was so, so sad. “Surely they won’t repeat the mistakes of the first Dark Phoenix botch - annnd they repeated all the mistakes.”
I think a main reason the MCU succeeded where X-Men failed was that the MCU characters didn't just have distinct personalities, but they embodied distinct principles. The beating heart of the MCU were Captain America (who stood for honor, duty, and innate goodness) and Iron Man (intelligence, ingenuity, self-determination). The X-Men characters may have different personalities, but they don't embody specific principles, or when they did, they are often wildly inconsistent between films. Put another way, the MCU characters are tonally diverse and colorful, while the X-Men are tonally muted and gray--and therefore, ultimately, not that interesting (despite having cool powers).
I didn't think Dark Phoenix was terrible, but I do agree that Days of Future Past or Logan should have closed out this franchise. I am excited to see what Marvel does with the Xmen Franchise.
I believe the Phoenix originally, the first time it ever appeared in the comics, it may have had something to do with the aliens, the Shi'Ar Empire,not sure on that though. But interestingly, the xmen were on a mission to help the Shi'Ar Empire when Professor X was injured and that's when he actually lost the use of his legs
The problem with the X Men is the stories are always dark and serious. I am not sure even the MCU can fix that. There aren't characters that is what have good banter between them, even in dire times, like The Avengers. Even when they might try it failed and just seemed phoney.
Never liked the original trilogy. Then they made Days of Future Past (incredible movie in itself) but it was a PERFECT way to sort of reboot the franchise while retaining the continuity from the previous movies. That was absolutely genius. And then came Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix and actually managed to mess everything up all over again.
I remember when first class came out as a suedo reboot and I was so hyped for the next few, and then every one was so disappointing except the wolverine
You guys hit the nail on the head. DOFP was a masterpiece against all odds. First class was a step in the right direction. The rest of the films range from crap to not bad but they were Singer's X-Men and not the X-Men we know from the comics. Singer never understood comicbook movies not like Kevin Feige with the MCU case in point the "yellow spandex" quote from the movie, did Singer forget accurate costumes have existed since the 1970's Donner's Superman?? Singer molded the X-men into his dark pseudo Batman style universe but true creativity is taking the characters and creating the world around them where "yellow spandex" i.e. real costumes can exist and look cool (MCU).
Until it brought Spider-Man into the mix. First, there's the "8 years later" goof up in Homecoming and there's the fact that he's still in high school in Far From Home despite that he's in his 20's by Avengers: Endgame. Then, there's Vision's comment about how it's been 8 years since Tony Stark announced himself as Iron Man but Kevin Feige says that Iron Man 1 is set in 2010 so it should be 6 years since Tony told the world. Lastly, Age of Ultron contradicted Iron Man 3 by ignoring the film's ending where Tony blew up all his suits and he promised Pepper that he was done being a superhero.
@@loudboy317 in Iron Man 3 there is a scene in which it says it has been 13 years since 1999 And Howard Stark had one weird life spam, since he was still driving around in the 90's, and was in his mid thirties during the World War 2.
@@Silenthitman44 I'm talking about Spider-Man: Homecoming, dumbass. That film made the "8 years later" goof when it's supposed to be 4 years after Avengers 1.
The amount of timeline inconsistencies and retcons killed it for me. The original 1,2 and sorta 3 I enjoyed, the wolverine I liked and Logan was pretty good but the rest I personally didn't like
complete reboot in the style of the first Xmen movie, young person discovers deadly powers, gets hunted by authorities, finds others that have been dealing with powers for some time etc. it's a good story, relatable, easy to follow, but i really don't think they can get away with a soft reboot. they need to completely reintroduce 'mutants' in a definitive way otherwise you're gonna end up with confusion and people asking 'what is a mutant', 'are these aliens' etc. because there have been concrete explanations for character powers in the MCU a kinda soft reboot/introduction of the mutant gene needs to be handled strongly, they need a huge statement saying 'this IS mutant, everything else is NOT mutant' to get around any viewer confusion.
I can sum up the answer to this video in two sentences; 1) they strayed too far away from the source material and 2) no one was allowed to have any of comics on set.
I’d have loved if they kept the franchise with a Logan sequel starring Laura/X23, or even a proper X Force movie rather than New Mutants or Dark Phoenix
Could it be that after iron man the MCU has a rough plan of the overall franchise? Where as the x-men have tried to make a new movie trying to just very roughly reference the last film in the series, but doesn’t go any deeper because it’s not under one cohesive plan?
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It's gotten so far afield from what the story was really about. The comics were directly inspired by the Civil Rights movement. Charles was MLK and Eric was Malcolm X. And there were a lot of directions they could go with that, but it just became something generic and confusing.
The biggest problem has been the focus on Wolverine, to the exclusion of pretty much everyone else. Of the 10 Fox-Men movies (not counting Deadpool) 7 focus largely or entirely on Logan. How are we supposed to care about Jean going evil when you’ve spent so little time developing her as a character? It’s a shame because one of the X-Men’s biggest strengths as a comic book has always been the size and diversity of its cast of characters
Studio interference is probably the biggest problem. Especially from people who didn't seem to care much outside of small kneejerk changes/additions, and you can see that with some of the worst movies in the series like Origins: Wolverine and Last Stand. But it does have some genuinely good movies in there. I think the second one, Days of Future Past, and Logan are all great. Which makes sense since they're not trying to cram multiple story adaptations into a single movie or something like Origins: Wolverine where from what I remember I believe Fox barred director Gavin Hood from the set at one point to interfere with his movie. I think the first one and First Class are pretty solid too, so overall I think it's mostly a pretty decent series (even with the timeline issues and all that nonsense) even if it did end on a low point. Unless we get to see New Mutants, which I'm still pretty curious about. I think it starring a bunch of new (to the movies) characters could be to its benefit.
Big thing was that they weren't in costume. If you put them all together in a photo with all the leather you wouldn't know who they were if they weren't blue
one of the biggest problems with the x-men movies is the underrepresentation of cyclops; in the comics he's not just one of the most iconic x-men, but one of the most iconic marvel characters in general! cyclops is to the x-men what captain america is to the avengers; the leader, always thinking of the team before anything else, etc. while wolverine and iron man are the faces of the x-men and the avengers, cyclops and captain america are the leaders. in the movies cyclops was practically a background character, while mystique got her own arcs (and poorly developed ones at that), just so fox could make more money from having a big-name actress like jennifer lawrence. cyclops and mystique should have switched roles and switched how important they were in the movies. the x-men franchise is proof that other companies that aren't marvel don't understand what makes certain marvel characters work, and they just want more money.
If anyone looks at this, who is the giant green viney monster at 4:55? The only possible answer I’ve found online is Krakoa but it doesn’t look like the exact same design
The writers & directors didn’t do justice to the characters. They focused on Wolverine & Mystique too much to the detriment of all other mutants particularly Professor X ( who is supposed to be the leader) , Storm & Rogue was so lame.
You could watch X-Men, X-Men 2, First Class, Days of Future Past, and Logan as their own little timeline and avoid the unnecessary fat of this franchise.
Bryan Singer relies way to much on Hugh Jackman’s Wolverine. While he made the best XMen, film in DOTFP, he squandered any good Mutant IP potentiality established in Mathew Vaughn’s First Class. Notice how Singer’s work just drops off after Jackman focused on his Logan solo films and left the ensemble....
One of the readons the X-MEN franchises failed was the main reason it was successful: "too much Wolverine & not enough anyone else". They had the whole characters & storylines for most of the movies play off Wolverine. In some cases it was great but overall it wasn't for other characters such as STORM, CYCLOPS, NIGHT CRAWLER, KITTY PRYDE, ANGEL, COLOSSUS, GAMBIT.....pretty much most the whole damn team!!! LMBO😄
I think a big part of what ruined the franchise was retconning and making each movie only make sense as a continuation of the previous one, but no logical relation to any one further back.
All Im saying is, the xmen movies spent so long using wolverine as the main star that they forgot to fully flesh out other characters so they would kill them of to replace them and rince and repeat till basically all u had left was wolverine professor x and storm
Next X-men or the Marvel integration: the location is somewhere in Russia or Eastern Europe. Main antagonist of the film is Omega Red, he is also a perfect plot device because of the death spores. The Mutants are completely despised by humanity, they aren't seen as heroes, but like abominations the "true" heroes are supposed to eradicate. Re-introduce Jubilee, bring back X-22 and then you also have Colossus. Then just replace Wolverine with X-22. We finally get Jubilee, you can have Nightcrawler actually have meaningful role for once as the only mutant with the ability to even get close to Omega Red without dying or being beat to death, Colossus can be Jubilee's bodyguard, except this time it isn't just 2 cameos. Jubilee and X-22 would take turns being inadvertently spectacular, the whole plot would revolve around that, causing humanity to be endeared to them (think Sam Raimi Spider-Man and how people reacted to heroism), you could make Jubilee low key a North Korean refugee. Humanity won't be able to justify calling X-22 and Jubilee abominations and then X-22 becomes one of the first and youngest mutant Avengers!
I hated the fact that at the end of apocalypse, they have comic accurate costumes with individuality for the first time, just to change it in the next🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
june 13... i had a lot of work and couldn't go watch it right away, today's june 30... 2 weeks after... and the theater in my city took the movie out already
I think the best way Marvel can reboot the franchise is by making solo films for key characters with the rest of the X-Men as the supporting cast. Then when they do a big team up focus on one of the kids in the school and make it like Harry Potter where the kid gets involved in all the dangerous stuff, snaking onto the X-Jet and joining the fight. I think that way you understand each character and their roles in the team and get to experience how the school runs while also making the future X-Men important.
I think part of it was the acting and lack of real emotion in the plot. Everything was just so bland. The X-Men cartoons had major storylines, as well as a plot that was relatable: "trying to fit in while being different". There was emotion, there was action. Very little of that was reflected in X-Men. It was a lot of talk and a lot of "lead ins" but not a lot of action and drama
They clearly wanted to compete with avengers and failed. Xmen lost its adult edge, especially with the new cast. I used to believe the older movies, but the costumes and the writing and relying on the fight scenes is gonna make it dull. Also, I truly believe crossovers and aliens will be the death of xmen movies. The alien threat was somehow even goofier than Apocalypse. Let the avengers throw all that together. Start doing the story lines actually in xmen comics: The legacy virus, Genosha, The sentinels, the morlocks
Deadpool one and two. Logan, X-men, X2, days of future’s past and First class are all loved so I don’t see how these movies are failures..... unless you mean financially. Oh wait no they all cleaned up at the box office
The reason this franchise failed is something you guys said in your video on the broken timelines. If the creators don’t care about these movies enough to get the details right, why should we? I’ve been saying this for years.
It really comes down to the fact that nobody cared about or respected the characters. It's shocking how constantly they did everything wrong and it's sad how successful so many of them are. I know people liked some of these, and like, if you're one of those people then I'm glad you enjoyed the movie, but imagine how much more you would've enjoyed them if the people who made them had given a shit.
I thought Wolverine, Rogue, and Magneto were all excellent in the first two X-Men movies. I wouldn't say nobody cared about or respected the characters. If you mean the new cast, well, both McAvoy and Fassbender are celebrated by fans.
They need to reboot the entire franchise like how they rebooted batman with Batman Begins. The whole thing is just a mess yet they keep trying to fix it by going back in time and trying to tie everything in again and again. New director, new direction, new ideas please, different actors.
Watch the first two, sit through the third one, watch First Class and Days of Future Past, then watch Logan. Ignore the rest. Also I guess Deadpool idk
I actually have an idea how the Phoenix could be the perfect way to introduce Xmen to the MCU. Ahem: There's this recent story in the comics called AvX (Avengers vs Xmen). If you haven't read it, here's a very quick synopsis. The phoenix force (stay with me here, I know we've already done the phoenix thing twice in movies) is on its way to earth, the Avengers know it is bad news so they try to stop it. Their efforts actually just split the power between 5 of the Xmen ; Cyclops, Emma Frost, Namor, Colossus and Magik (Colossus' little sister); who use the power to do a ton of good in the world and also outlaw the Avengers. The Avengers keep trying to defeat the phoenix knowing that the thing may be doing good now but it has the potential to destroy the earth if it changes its mind about this whole doing good thing. In my adaptation of the story, the Phoenix Force is on its way towards earth. We don't really know what it is, but it seems dangerous. So, the Avengers (or maybe the Fantastic Four -pre-powers with Reed taking on Tony's role from the comics) are sent to do their best to disperse the energy before it gets to earth. It's a bit of a ride, but they are successful and all is well! Except that the force has just been dissipated and it secretly possesses 5 individuals on earth; Namor, Emma Frost, Erik Lensherr (Magneto - again, hear me out, we've overused the character, but this gives us a great origin to the character without him having to be almost 100 years old), Quentin Quire (a kid at the Xavier School who is destined to one day hold the power of the phoenix), and one Madeline Pryor (a clone of Jean Grey in the comics, but we are just going to ignore all that.) They team up and, very publicly, do good throughout the world, fighting crime, ending famines, ending wars and so on. People begin following the Phoenix and forming a sort of cult. The phoenix notice something latent in some of the people who follow them, the X-gene, and begin awakening it within them to turn them into super powered acolytes who expand their ability to do good. Ororo Monroe begins blessing the rains in Africa, for instance. Well, the Avengers recognize that this has something to do with the scary power that they thought they stopped and immediately distrust it and those who it is giving power to. "What if people stop working for their own good because they become dependent on the Phoenix?" "What if it gives power to somebody who is evil?" "What if it decides that having followers is not enough and it needs everybody on earth to worship it?" "What if it just gets bored of us and wipes us out?" Who is going to stop it? So they do all they can to stop it. This leads to the Phoenix Five essentially outlawing the Avengers. Contests between the Avengers and the Phoenix Five could spread through tons of movies. Namor could attack Wakanda by flooding it in Black Panther 2 (something that happened in the comics. In Captain Marvel 2, Carol could be dealing with a group of mutants and underestimate one who doesn't seem to have any special abilities, make skin to skin contact with her and have all her powers stripped away from her. Finally at the end of phase 4 we come to our big crossover. Avengers vs Xmen! The Avengers by this point have managed to take down one Phoenix, so they know it is possible. Blood is in the water. They come up with an ultimate plan and start taking down the other Phoenixes (Phoenixi?) and the power of each one that falls goes into the others. After the second falls we see that having more power is almost too much for the individual to control and they start losing touch. Everyone else notices this too, including many of the mutants. The Phoenix did a lot of good, but it is clearly too dangerous now. Finally it is down to the final Phoenix, Madelyne Pryor, who goes full crazy in a very public way. The Avengers and the Xmen team up to defeat the final Phoenix and the world sees the mutants now as servants of something evil that came to earth and tried to destroy them sowing the seeds of hatred and racism that the Xmen stories are built around. In an after credits scene, a man in a wheelchair someone at a park and talks about how so many people now have powers and no guidance for how to use them. The camera pans out and we see a teenaged girl with long red hair. He invites her to come join his school.
It didn't fail. It just never finished with a bigger completed list of needed stories to connect everything all together. The XCU is missing about 5 to 10 essential films to make it work. ☕🖖 _c.
I've only read about 30 X-men comics (starting with #1), but I think all these movies got Professor X wrong, making him too emotional. Maybe in the later comics the writers changed his personality, but this is what I remember.
All these X-Men movies are Moira McTaggarts past lives. We've been watching her right or nine lives. Now we will get it right. The MCU will bring us Moira's tenth and eleventh lives.
The most frustrating thing about the X-Men movies is that the cast is absolutely amazing and they do the grand sum of bugger all with them (with a few exceptions here and there). The best movie in the series by a mile was Logan, because they actually did some character development for a change and made you actually feel something.
As much as I love Wolverine my favourite X-Men character please give the other team members a chance to shine in the spotlight in the MCU cos they felt like side characters in the Fox movies and Logan was basically the main character,I want to see a proper comic book accurate adaptation and the animated adaptation too like the 1992 X-Men,Wolverine and the X-Men and X-Men Evolution because Cyclops is my second favourite character and it's just criminal how they portrayed him in the movies I hate it James Marsden was perfect for the role but they messed that up,the point is I want the MCU verison to focus on the team not just Wolverine,of course he should still get his own solo movies but let the X-Men stand out together like they're supposed to,not like the cheap knock off version we got from Fox because there are so many things the movies got wrong about the X-Men and they're characters I personally love the fox X-Men and the real ending was DOFP and Logan is an alternative timeline still stands out as the best X-Men and one of the best movies of all time,the MCU needs to give us the real X-Men adaptation straight out of the comics and animated series and I am dying to finally see Wolverine don the yellow suit with a possible Hugh Jackman return for one more ride
8:56 I wish someone put as much care into the X-men movies as they have into the Fast and Furious movies. I AM SERIOUS. Just travel the world and thing of set pieces. Hell, do it like the mission impossible movies and just replace a bazooka moment or a missile moment with a mutant moment.
Lack of complex characters. Storm was an African queen/goddess and that was ever mentioned. The parallels of racism and mutants were o my hinted at. Magneto’s past as a concentration camp slave was mentioned and then forgotten. Night crawler shows up, everyone loves him and then he is never seen again; he has a complex past and story as well that is also not developed. Angel is introduced and then he disappears with no explanation. The lack of growth in these characters is astonishing. I wonder if X men would have worked better if they made a Cyclops movie, Storm movie, jean gray and had Professor X cameo in all of them similar to how Nick Fury was used. Then they come out with an X-man movie. That way they can all have different personalities and character growth. Think hard, other than powers and appearance what is the difference between Jean Grey and Storm in the movies that have been made. They are the same character that could easily replace the other’s role if they had to.
gotta say: i really enjoyed Dark Phoenix (that OST from Hans Zimmer) and most of the X-men movies (not Origins Wolverine). Actually, i think it's one of the best movies in the series! I understand why it flooped as a franchise and all, but... why did people hated Dark Phoenix so much?
@@jeffextreme5498 Dude, for starters: the action scenes and the CGI in general are amazing! The soundtrack is Hanz Zimmer's, so it speaks for itself. The acting was solid for everyone (except JenLawm but meh) and so did the script. It's a very very loose adaptation of the Comics, BUT it's true to the X-MEN cinematic saga, you know? To be honest, the worst thing about it is not the movie fault: it has no ending. It's clear that they would expand the story, the phoenix character and saga, but it got cancelled after it was already shot and done, so, have that in mind! It's not a perfect movie, but it's far from an Origins Wolverine or The Last Stand! It's a very good movie if you liked the X-Men movies!
And my wife's opinion: the best thing about it is that they shined a light in characters that haven't had a chance in previous movies. For example, to us, this was the best version of Cyclops, and we could really see him becoming a leader naturally!
@@Haganino1 Thanks for the info. How did you feel about Apocalypse? One of my biggest issues with the last few films is how far they have strayed from how the characters should be.
People need to stop saying Logan was the perfect send off for the X-Men. Logan was the perfect send off for Hugh Jackmans time as Wolverine, not the character of Wolverine or the X-Men franchise but they really did drop the ball on the franchise
I must be the only person that generally liked Dark Phoenix. Not my favorite. Days of Future Past & Logan are my top 2. But Dark Phoenix is a close 3rd for me. The ending definitely could have been better since it was their final X-men movie & I wish we seen more of all the X-men but I really enjoyed Sophie Turner's take on Jean. Here's hoping we get a proper X-men movie from Marvel.
They didn't plan it out like how Disney did with their Marvel movies. X-Men had three great storyline well four if you want to count Wolverine's storyline as well. The Dark Phoenix saga of course. The Age of Apocalypse and the House of M. Each one should be at least five or six movies for each storyline. Now Deadpool movies are great additions to the X-Men universe movie franchise. It would also lead to X Force, X factor and the New mutants. Now this X-Men movie franchise was a rollercoaster some good, some terrible, some ok and some great.
The reason it failed was because the people they hired never gave a shit about respect to the source material and when those people fucked it up and they had to rebuild it they brought that same person back that had created this terrible foundation for those films so you don't get a variety of adaptations or respect to the source material, you get the same inevitable result. Brian singer making his version of the X-Men at a time when nobody had ever seen the xmen on screen is why the movies them selves are viewed as OK with critics at the time. But when you get Spiderman by Sam Raimi completely crusihing what singer did less than 2 years after showing you a colorful superhero film with all the great characters that have been adapted properly and you don't even introduce characters like Apocalypse until years after you had to reboot it in the first place then you are the problem! look and I ask these people don't accept that because they grew up on these movies and had no idea how these characters should really have been treated and done from the start. If you grew up on the X-Men animated series and watched the X-Men movies at Fox over the years you knew damn well why this crashed and burned
I agree. DOFP was a perfect send off for both casts. Logan is a terrible send off because it dooms all the X Men and leaves us with a bunch of mutants kids we barely know.
Just imagine. They COULD"VE made Apocalypse FIRST, lost to the big purple guy, and then done Days of the Future Past, where they go back in time to....stop him...wait, why does that sound familiar?
If I were to adapt X-men, I wouldn’t have it be a movie. I think it needs to be a tv series. There are so many stories and characters in the X-men (the X-men are the wu tang clan of the comic book world) so give it an 8-10 episode run on a streaming service, 1 hr an episode for maybe 5-6 seasons/series I think you could do it justice
ChandSlam that’s kinda what I was thinking. X-men is probably the only comic book that would benefit more from a tv show format than movies. That’s kinda why the animated show was so great. Or they do what they did with Spider-Man and not really do n origin movie because we know his origins story. Except they need more justice for the origin story
I kind of agree even though I think you can do movies to get the most out of something like xmen a long serial type of series or format I think is best there are just so many characters heroes,supporting characters,villians its like its own mini universe in scope and its very heavy on character development and relationships and obviously the social commentary its different from the avengers and should be treated as such.
Then starting standalone series of popular characters form original xmen tv series... Like they did with the CW shows of DC(flash, arrow, supergirl) or like defenders like individual then a series binding thrn together....
They just wouldn't let it end. Both Days of Future Past and Logan had perfect ending points for the franchise.
Days of Future Past would have been an amazing finale for the team up movies if they'd had (a slightly better) Apocalypse BEFORE it. They rushed into it after only one movie of the younger cast.
So it should have gone: X-Men, X2, The Last Stand, Origins, First Class, Apocalypse, The Wolverine, Days of Future Past, Logan.
in Logan did they show the Hulk's and his family being Mobsters? I didnt see it but Ive been wondering about that. Like it would conflict with the Avengers version of Hulk.
@Malo Tha Prophet I wonder if that was a mistake
@@robert48044 Fox didn't own the rights to Hulk I'm pretty sure, plus I don't think it would've fit too well in Logan seeing at how realistic it was besides the Mutants. For Fox, the landowners of the Black family that kept on bullying them I guess were similar to the Hulk Family from the comics.
@@yourenotthatguypal3483 i cant help but feel the way the charecters were sold has hurt the movie side of the comic books.
Another problem with the franchise was putting all of their eggs in the Wolverine basket. They never wanted to take the time to fully develop other characters.
That was the most frustrating thing for me. Bryan Singer wouldn't stop blowing Wolverine at the expense of nearly everyone else, and most of the other filmmakers after him followed his lead.
To put it bluntly, they over relied on a lot of things. Brian Singer, Wolverine, the Xavier/Magneto relationship, bad adaptations, the actors rather than the characters (which was the problem with Cyclops is they kept casting him with dud actors, same with Angel, Banshee and a lot of the others). You have all this crazy shit in the X-Men's corner of the Marvel universe, and we never got to see any of it. How about the Brood? What About Genosha? Can we really see the Morlocks? A true Age of Apocalypse scenario? What if we were to go the Savage Land? And the one that really pisses me off because they teased at it but never delivered: Mr. Sinister and his obsession with Scott Summers and Jean Gray. If you want to do a more contained Scott and Jean story, do Sinister. Hell they did that on the fucking cartoon, and it worked like a charm.
@@pittland44 we also never got the starjammers, the shiaar empire,skrull space, proper version of genosha, madripoor, they completely ignored bishop, Cyclops,storm, rogue, angel and all those colorful iconic costumes and actual origins for mutants
@@narenbaradwaj5058 Damn Straight!
Agreed. I think Hugh Jackman being so fuckin great as Wolverine actually derailed the franchise a bit.
Jeniffer Lawrence’s obvious disdain for her role as Mystique which showed in every movie she was in didn’t help either.
She was only there because of contractual obligations: otherwise she would've bailed after First Class.
I really don't blame her. I blame the changes they made with the character. Complete disgrace. And Rebecca was the perfect Mystique.
Jeff Extreme I was thinking she didn’t like the role simply because the other actress looked so seductive as Mystique (Supermodel) whereas Jeniffer Lawrence’s looked pretty roundfaced
I felt she tried in first class
TheRealist 811 yeah that was retarded, in fact I don’t ever recall mystique saving everyone from an exploding mansion, I don’t recall mystique ever lifting a submarine, and to top it all off she says that right after she makes night crawler and quicksilver save everyone from the shuttle
They kind of forgot to make consistent movies...
The young X men films were consistent they were all ten years apart but the characters didnt age
@@euanjackson811 What? How is that consistent?
@@euanjackson811 Oh i get it. Nevermind.
They were consistent in the fact that not one movie was consistent
I think they're pretty consistently flaccid
Just imagine how insane it would be if Evan Peters became Quicksilver in the MCU outta nowhere hahahahaha
@Aaron A420 I can't tell if you know or if you don't know.
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Not really a fan. I can't stand how awful he looks. He looks like a cosplayer. I'd rather see the tall, muscular guy that we got in the comics. That goes for Magneto too. Where's the muscle-bound intellectual silverfox?
@@LadyAstarionAncunin I guess u like the avengers' quicksilver instead
@@LadyAstarionAncunin you must be eating good w '97 then lmao
'House of M' possibly the overarching theme of Wandavision??
But perhaps she is the one makes mutants instead of destroying them.
Beastinvader I hope not because then they’ll eventually get rid of the mutants when reversing it
It will certainly set up House of M at the very least. It will reportedly deal with Wanda’s reality warping powers and an idealized 1950s-Essie version of the world that she creates in her own mind.
@@marvelousTUD link me the source.
Dude, Google it
fix without going to the mcu? bring in the bishop and cable stories. more alternate timelines.
Either of those characters in a Terminator type movie coming back to save a doomed future would be really 90s and I'd love it. Bishop is my favourite X-men character of all time.
It's simple do Dark Phonix 2 more times because as we all know the 5th one is where it gets good again
Would have been nice to see more individual stories in movies from the characters and not have them relied on wolverine to carry the franchise and have everything leading up to the X-men forming like avengers maybe it just got hard for them to balance every character on screen
Because Charles *didn't know what to do!*
CHAAAALLLSSS
*Idontknowwhattodo*
Can’t believe that didn’t make the final cut
@@jph4889 SHOW YOURSELF!!!!!
Loving the love for Days of Future Past, that movie is pretty pretty good, very entertaining and feels very X-Men.
IT'S SIMPLE. TOO MANY ACTORS, WRITERS, AND DIRECTORS!
Last stand (writer) ( beginning of the end the rise of Kinberg destroyer of x men and ff4)
Part of days of Future past (writer, producer)
Apocalypse ( writer, producer)
Dark Pheonix ( writer, producer, director)
Were written by the same person, Simon kinberg who steadily got more and more power and basically took a shit on it's source material, continuity
"How to fix the X-men franchise?" -Obvious answer= Give it to Kevin Fiege.
X-Men the actors of the original VS Planet broadcasting... Standard American football pitch... Go
I mean, James did do Karate, so...
Also James' special move - baby James with a big sandwich - unstoppable!
I havent even watched the video yet but theres so many reasons. And it makes me sad. This is my favourite comic book franchise :/
I read the comics as a kid too.......so much material and they still messed it up .... why was mystique an x man? Because reasons
You mentioned the first Ironman, but the universe hadn't been established. The reason the Ironman changes worked was because these characters weren't popular in the comics initially. The most popular comic characters from Marvel were Spider-man, Fantastic 4, and X-men.
I don't really care about the costumes being comic book accurate I just want them to be interesting. A good chunk of the MCU costumes are completely different from the comics, but they're usually at least interesting. My favorite example is the Endgame white outfits, they're completely new, but they make sense and they're interesting enough.
You know FOX tried to avoid comic-book accurate costume for the live-action X-Men for a nitty-gritty world where Mutants are hated and enslaved for weaponry, but since Last Stand was failed, a planned 4th film was planned way before the 3rd, and after that...an anthology set of films was planned like Origins: Wolverine, but due to the criticisms, including Deadpool’s appearance, it was later scrapped...
Now the MCU released The Avengers, and FOX took notes from it...
@@fernie-fernandez Ya I do know...
X-Men: The Last Stand “great send off”
X-Men: Days of Future Past “great send off”
X-Men: Apocalypse “great send off”
Logan “great send off”
X-Men: Dark Phoenix “great send off”
Tbh I wouldn’t really call Last stand or Apocalypse films that were meant to be send offs
I will never understand why people like X-Men 1. I just always felt bored with it and there were so many parts and characters that were dumb and/or useless (Sabretooth, Toad, and Storm for instance). There are scenes I like, but most of them are when Patrick Stewart and/or Ian McKellen are present.
Failed? There's about 10 films. How can that be a failure?
Most of them sucked
I mean, they were super hit and miss. It’s not fair to say that most of them are one way or the other.
I've always been a Marvel fan, especially of the X-Men, ever since the 90's X-Men cartoons and the X-Men movies have thoroughly disappointed me.
Aside from the crappy continuity, they misused a lot of iconic characters which I have trouble forgiving.
The MCU is probably guilty of doing these things as well, but they have the better continuity and iconic characters rarely get misused.
Personally, Days of Future Past and Logan are the only ones I really enjoyed, and that's despite the fact that I really disliked Wolverine.
Forgetting that the Spider-Man 2002 originally wanted Hugh Jackman to make a cameo as wolverine.
My favorite X-Men movie characters are the 20-or-so 'flying' guys, who all fly the same way, as though they are swinging from an invisible cable. The Invisible Cable Squad, I call them. 5:15
The number one element for me that hamstrung the franchise was the lack of continuity. It began before cinematic universes existed, and the first film did the best it could to give us a base team, but they lacked faith in the characters. They had to include Wolverine because he’s the most popular. It brought us Hugh Jackman, but it started them on the back foot. They also lacked patience in world-building. I’m really hoping that Feige introduces the original team and hangs with them for a while before introducing the rest of the roster. Give us a few films before we ever hear of Wolverine. That would take confidence and patience... plus a willingness of audiences wanting to sit through many of the same stories again. I still think we deserve the quintessential Phoenix story. Introduce the Starjammers like they did Guardians of the Galaxy. Introduce the Shi’ar, so Phoenix doesn’t have to be earthbound and, well, boring. Like you said, it can’t be a direct adaptation of sixty years of comics, but MCU-ize it, take the time, and establish continuity.
The number one offender of this has to be Mystique. Once they cast Jennifer Lawrence and made her a good guy, and then once Lawrence became a superstar, we suddenly had entire films based around a poorly-established side character. It threw the wrench in everything. By the time Dark Phoenix arrived, I didn’t know anything about their Jean nor care about what she was going through. It was so, so sad.
“Surely they won’t repeat the mistakes of the first Dark Phoenix botch - annnd they repeated all the mistakes.”
They should have ended it after X2. They've always been too eager to get into the Dark Phoenix thing.
I think a main reason the MCU succeeded where X-Men failed was that the MCU characters didn't just have distinct personalities, but they embodied distinct principles. The beating heart of the MCU were Captain America (who stood for honor, duty, and innate goodness) and Iron Man (intelligence, ingenuity, self-determination). The X-Men characters may have different personalities, but they don't embody specific principles, or when they did, they are often wildly inconsistent between films. Put another way, the MCU characters are tonally diverse and colorful, while the X-Men are tonally muted and gray--and therefore, ultimately, not that interesting (despite having cool powers).
I didn't think Dark Phoenix was terrible, but I do agree that Days of Future Past or Logan should have closed out this franchise. I am excited to see what Marvel does with the Xmen Franchise.
I believe the Phoenix originally, the first time it ever appeared in the comics, it may have had something to do with the aliens, the Shi'Ar Empire,not sure on that though. But interestingly, the xmen were on a mission to help the Shi'Ar Empire when Professor X was injured and that's when he actually lost the use of his legs
I have enjoyed exactly 1 of all the X-men movies. I'm a grumpy Mr Man.
Which one was it?
@@ericlayton8888 Deadpool
@@falvalisious You are a legend
The problem with the X Men is the stories are always dark and serious. I am not sure even the MCU can fix that. There aren't characters that is what have good banter between them, even in dire times, like The Avengers. Even when they might try it failed and just seemed phoney.
You mean X-MA’AM!!!
No X-Men theme Music, No costumes, No personality in the characters if you don’t love the comic you don’t do it justice.
Never liked the original trilogy. Then they made Days of Future Past (incredible movie in itself) but it was a PERFECT way to sort of reboot the franchise while retaining the continuity from the previous movies. That was absolutely genius. And then came Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix and actually managed to mess everything up all over again.
I remember when first class came out as a suedo reboot and I was so hyped for the next few, and then every one was so disappointing except the wolverine
You guys hit the nail on the head. DOFP was a masterpiece against all odds. First class was a step in the right direction. The rest of the films range from crap to not bad but they were Singer's X-Men and not the X-Men we know from the comics. Singer never understood comicbook movies not like Kevin Feige with the MCU case in point the "yellow spandex" quote from the movie, did Singer forget accurate costumes have existed since the 1970's Donner's Superman?? Singer molded the X-men into his dark pseudo Batman style universe but true creativity is taking the characters and creating the world around them where "yellow spandex" i.e. real costumes can exist and look cool (MCU).
Continuity was my biggest issue. The MCU has no problem with that
Well...
Until it brought Spider-Man into the mix. First, there's the "8 years later" goof up in Homecoming and there's the fact that he's still in high school in Far From Home despite that he's in his 20's by Avengers: Endgame.
Then, there's Vision's comment about how it's been 8 years since Tony Stark announced himself as Iron Man but Kevin Feige says that Iron Man 1 is set in 2010 so it should be 6 years since Tony told the world.
Lastly, Age of Ultron contradicted Iron Man 3 by ignoring the film's ending where Tony blew up all his suits and he promised Pepper that he was done being a superhero.
@@loudboy317 in Iron Man 3 there is a scene in which it says it has been 13 years since 1999
And Howard Stark had one weird life spam, since he was still driving around in the 90's, and was in his mid thirties during the World War 2.
@@Silenthitman44
I'm talking about Spider-Man: Homecoming, dumbass. That film made the "8 years later" goof when it's supposed to be 4 years after Avengers 1.
The amount of timeline inconsistencies and retcons killed it for me. The original 1,2 and sorta 3 I enjoyed, the wolverine I liked and Logan was pretty good but the rest I personally didn't like
complete reboot in the style of the first Xmen movie, young person discovers deadly powers, gets hunted by authorities, finds others that have been dealing with powers for some time etc. it's a good story, relatable, easy to follow, but i really don't think they can get away with a soft reboot. they need to completely reintroduce 'mutants' in a definitive way otherwise you're gonna end up with confusion and people asking 'what is a mutant', 'are these aliens' etc. because there have been concrete explanations for character powers in the MCU a kinda soft reboot/introduction of the mutant gene needs to be handled strongly, they need a huge statement saying 'this IS mutant, everything else is NOT mutant' to get around any viewer confusion.
I can sum up the answer to this video in two sentences; 1) they strayed too far away from the source material and 2) no one was allowed to have any of comics on set.
Jason Jordan i totally agree with this👊🏽
I’d have loved if they kept the franchise with a Logan sequel starring Laura/X23, or even a proper X Force movie rather than New Mutants or Dark Phoenix
They owned the rights to X-Men, and Aliens, and never did a Brood movie, and that's just pathetic.
Could it be that after iron man the MCU has a rough plan of the overall franchise? Where as the x-men have tried to make a new movie trying to just very roughly reference the last film in the series, but doesn’t go any deeper because it’s not under one cohesive plan?
It's gotten so far afield from what the story was really about. The comics were directly inspired by the Civil Rights movement. Charles was MLK and Eric was Malcolm X. And there were a lot of directions they could go with that, but it just became something generic and confusing.
The biggest problem has been the focus on Wolverine, to the exclusion of pretty much everyone else. Of the 10 Fox-Men movies (not counting Deadpool) 7 focus largely or entirely on Logan. How are we supposed to care about Jean going evil when you’ve spent so little time developing her as a character? It’s a shame because one of the X-Men’s biggest strengths as a comic book has always been the size and diversity of its cast of characters
Studio interference is probably the biggest problem. Especially from people who didn't seem to care much outside of small kneejerk changes/additions, and you can see that with some of the worst movies in the series like Origins: Wolverine and Last Stand. But it does have some genuinely good movies in there. I think the second one, Days of Future Past, and Logan are all great. Which makes sense since they're not trying to cram multiple story adaptations into a single movie or something like Origins: Wolverine where from what I remember I believe Fox barred director Gavin Hood
from the set at one point to interfere with his movie. I think the first one and First Class are pretty solid too, so overall I think it's mostly a pretty decent series (even with the timeline issues and all that nonsense) even if it did end on a low point. Unless we get to see New Mutants, which I'm still pretty curious about. I think it starring a bunch of new (to the movies) characters could be to its benefit.
Big thing was that they weren't in costume. If you put them all together in a photo with all the leather you wouldn't know who they were if they weren't blue
one of the biggest problems with the x-men movies is the underrepresentation of cyclops; in the comics he's not just one of the most iconic x-men, but one of the most iconic marvel characters in general! cyclops is to the x-men what captain america is to the avengers; the leader, always thinking of the team before anything else, etc. while wolverine and iron man are the faces of the x-men and the avengers, cyclops and captain america are the leaders. in the movies cyclops was practically a background character, while mystique got her own arcs (and poorly developed ones at that), just so fox could make more money from having a big-name actress like jennifer lawrence. cyclops and mystique should have switched roles and switched how important they were in the movies. the x-men franchise is proof that other companies that aren't marvel don't understand what makes certain marvel characters work, and they just want more money.
I liked all the movies.
If anyone looks at this, who is the giant green viney monster at 4:55? The only possible answer I’ve found online is Krakoa but it doesn’t look like the exact same design
The writers & directors didn’t do justice to the characters. They focused on Wolverine & Mystique too much to the detriment of all other mutants particularly Professor X ( who is supposed to be the leader) , Storm & Rogue was so lame.
It lasted 19 years. I would say that's a far cry from a fail. It had a lot of low points but it also had highs greater than anything in the MCU.
You could watch X-Men, X-Men 2, First Class, Days of Future Past, and Logan as their own little timeline and avoid the unnecessary fat of this franchise.
Bryan Singer relies way to much on Hugh Jackman’s Wolverine. While he made the best XMen, film in DOTFP, he squandered any good Mutant IP potentiality established in Mathew Vaughn’s First Class. Notice how Singer’s work just drops off after Jackman focused on his Logan solo films and left the ensemble....
One of the readons the X-MEN franchises failed was the main reason it was successful: "too much Wolverine & not enough anyone else".
They had the whole characters & storylines for most of the movies play off Wolverine. In some cases it was great but overall it wasn't for other characters such as STORM, CYCLOPS, NIGHT CRAWLER, KITTY PRYDE, ANGEL, COLOSSUS, GAMBIT.....pretty much most the whole damn team!!! LMBO😄
I think a big part of what ruined the franchise was retconning and making each movie only make sense as a continuation of the previous one, but no logical relation to any one further back.
All Im saying is, the xmen movies spent so long using wolverine as the main star that they forgot to fully flesh out other characters so they would kill them of to replace them and rince and repeat till basically all u had left was wolverine professor x and storm
Next X-men or the Marvel integration: the location is somewhere in Russia or Eastern Europe. Main antagonist of the film is Omega Red, he is also a perfect plot device because of the death spores. The Mutants are completely despised by humanity, they aren't seen as heroes, but like abominations the "true" heroes are supposed to eradicate. Re-introduce Jubilee, bring back X-22 and then you also have Colossus. Then just replace Wolverine with X-22. We finally get Jubilee, you can have Nightcrawler actually have meaningful role for once as the only mutant with the ability to even get close to Omega Red without dying or being beat to death, Colossus can be Jubilee's bodyguard, except this time it isn't just 2 cameos. Jubilee and X-22 would take turns being inadvertently spectacular, the whole plot would revolve around that, causing humanity to be endeared to them (think Sam Raimi Spider-Man and how people reacted to heroism), you could make Jubilee low key a North Korean refugee. Humanity won't be able to justify calling X-22 and Jubilee abominations and then X-22 becomes one of the first and youngest mutant Avengers!
I hated the fact that at the end of apocalypse, they have comic accurate costumes with individuality for the first time, just to change it in the next🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
june 13... i had a lot of work and couldn't go watch it right away, today's june 30... 2 weeks after... and the theater in my city took the movie out already
sonnic1995 they saved you
6:38 this aged perfectly
Dofp futuristic costumes were pretty cool, and was the perfect ending to the franchise
Or OR! I’ll do a 3 picture reboot for 200G and I’ll do all the production myself and it’ll star me as the X Men.
1. Nobody wants them to be separate from the MCU.
2. Dark Phoenix sucked.
I think the best way Marvel can reboot the franchise is by making solo films for key characters with the rest of the X-Men as the supporting cast. Then when they do a big team up focus on one of the kids in the school and make it like Harry Potter where the kid gets involved in all the dangerous stuff, snaking onto the X-Jet and joining the fight. I think that way you understand each character and their roles in the team and get to experience how the school runs while also making the future X-Men important.
Hey have you noticed in your intro there's a few frames that repeat themselves, almost like it's buffering?
What are you talking about? It run for 20 years and is still going.
I think part of it was the acting and lack of real emotion in the plot. Everything was just so bland.
The X-Men cartoons had major storylines, as well as a plot that was relatable: "trying to fit in while being different". There was emotion, there was action. Very little of that was reflected in X-Men. It was a lot of talk and a lot of "lead ins" but not a lot of action and drama
They clearly wanted to compete with avengers and failed. Xmen lost its adult edge, especially with the new cast. I used to believe the older movies, but the costumes and the writing and relying on the fight scenes is gonna make it dull. Also, I truly believe crossovers and aliens will be the death of xmen movies. The alien threat was somehow even goofier than Apocalypse. Let the avengers throw all that together. Start doing the story lines actually in xmen comics: The legacy virus, Genosha, The sentinels, the morlocks
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That is what everyone does, because they have selfish reasons, the desire to be paid for their efforts.
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@@hunketi Disgusting. People not working for free are disgusting and selfish.
02:55 Don't forget that this is in the same era as the Matrix and other films that used that style.
Deadpool one and two. Logan, X-men, X2, days of future’s past and First class are all loved so I don’t see how these movies are failures..... unless you mean financially. Oh wait no they all cleaned up at the box office
The reason this franchise failed is something you guys said in your video on the broken timelines. If the creators don’t care about these movies enough to get the details right, why should we? I’ve been saying this for years.
None of the MCU films hold a candle to DOFP, X2 and Logan.
THANK YOU. But most of these assholes posting on UA-cam now are owned by Disney. They will never show DOFP, Logan or X2 proper respect.
It really comes down to the fact that nobody cared about or respected the characters. It's shocking how constantly they did everything wrong and it's sad how successful so many of them are. I know people liked some of these, and like, if you're one of those people then I'm glad you enjoyed the movie, but imagine how much more you would've enjoyed them if the people who made them had given a shit.
I thought Wolverine, Rogue, and Magneto were all excellent in the first two X-Men movies. I wouldn't say nobody cared about or respected the characters. If you mean the new cast, well, both McAvoy and Fassbender are celebrated by fans.
They need to reboot the entire franchise like how they rebooted batman with Batman Begins. The whole thing is just a mess yet they keep trying to fix it by going back in time and trying to tie everything in again and again. New director, new direction, new ideas please, different actors.
Unfortunately New Mutants did eventually come out.
Watch the first two, sit through the third one, watch First Class and Days of Future Past, then watch Logan. Ignore the rest.
Also I guess Deadpool idk
I actually have an idea how the Phoenix could be the perfect way to introduce Xmen to the MCU. Ahem:
There's this recent story in the comics called AvX (Avengers vs Xmen). If you haven't read it, here's a very quick synopsis. The phoenix force (stay with me here, I know we've already done the phoenix thing twice in movies) is on its way to earth, the Avengers know it is bad news so they try to stop it. Their efforts actually just split the power between 5 of the Xmen ; Cyclops, Emma Frost, Namor, Colossus and Magik (Colossus' little sister); who use the power to do a ton of good in the world and also outlaw the Avengers. The Avengers keep trying to defeat the phoenix knowing that the thing may be doing good now but it has the potential to destroy the earth if it changes its mind about this whole doing good thing.
In my adaptation of the story, the Phoenix Force is on its way towards earth. We don't really know what it is, but it seems dangerous. So, the Avengers (or maybe the Fantastic Four -pre-powers with Reed taking on Tony's role from the comics) are sent to do their best to disperse the energy before it gets to earth. It's a bit of a ride, but they are successful and all is well! Except that the force has just been dissipated and it secretly possesses 5 individuals on earth; Namor, Emma Frost, Erik Lensherr (Magneto - again, hear me out, we've overused the character, but this gives us a great origin to the character without him having to be almost 100 years old), Quentin Quire (a kid at the Xavier School who is destined to one day hold the power of the phoenix), and one Madeline Pryor (a clone of Jean Grey in the comics, but we are just going to ignore all that.)
They team up and, very publicly, do good throughout the world, fighting crime, ending famines, ending wars and so on. People begin following the Phoenix and forming a sort of cult. The phoenix notice something latent in some of the people who follow them, the X-gene, and begin awakening it within them to turn them into super powered acolytes who expand their ability to do good. Ororo Monroe begins blessing the rains in Africa, for instance.
Well, the Avengers recognize that this has something to do with the scary power that they thought they stopped and immediately distrust it and those who it is giving power to. "What if people stop working for their own good because they become dependent on the Phoenix?" "What if it gives power to somebody who is evil?" "What if it decides that having followers is not enough and it needs everybody on earth to worship it?" "What if it just gets bored of us and wipes us out?" Who is going to stop it? So they do all they can to stop it. This leads to the Phoenix Five essentially outlawing the Avengers.
Contests between the Avengers and the Phoenix Five could spread through tons of movies. Namor could attack Wakanda by flooding it in Black Panther 2 (something that happened in the comics. In Captain Marvel 2, Carol could be dealing with a group of mutants and underestimate one who doesn't seem to have any special abilities, make skin to skin contact with her and have all her powers stripped away from her.
Finally at the end of phase 4 we come to our big crossover. Avengers vs Xmen! The Avengers by this point have managed to take down one Phoenix, so they know it is possible. Blood is in the water. They come up with an ultimate plan and start taking down the other Phoenixes (Phoenixi?) and the power of each one that falls goes into the others. After the second falls we see that having more power is almost too much for the individual to control and they start losing touch. Everyone else notices this too, including many of the mutants. The Phoenix did a lot of good, but it is clearly too dangerous now. Finally it is down to the final Phoenix, Madelyne Pryor, who goes full crazy in a very public way. The Avengers and the Xmen team up to defeat the final Phoenix and the world sees the mutants now as servants of something evil that came to earth and tried to destroy them sowing the seeds of hatred and racism that the Xmen stories are built around.
In an after credits scene, a man in a wheelchair someone at a park and talks about how so many people now have powers and no guidance for how to use them. The camera pans out and we see a teenaged girl with long red hair. He invites her to come join his school.
The Fox films movies were more accurately The Wolverine show. That’s why they failed. First class was the most refreshing thing in the series.
It didn't fail. It just never finished with a bigger completed list of needed stories to connect everything all together. The XCU is missing about 5 to 10 essential films to make it work. ☕🖖 _c.
I've only read about 30 X-men comics (starting with #1), but I think all these movies got Professor X wrong, making him too emotional. Maybe in the later comics the writers changed his personality, but this is what I remember.
All these X-Men movies are Moira McTaggarts past lives. We've been watching her right or nine lives. Now we will get it right. The MCU will bring us Moira's tenth and eleventh lives.
The most frustrating thing about the X-Men movies is that the cast is absolutely amazing and they do the grand sum of bugger all with them (with a few exceptions here and there). The best movie in the series by a mile was Logan, because they actually did some character development for a change and made you actually feel something.
As much as I love Wolverine my favourite X-Men character please give the other team members a chance to shine in the spotlight in the MCU cos they felt like side characters in the Fox movies and Logan was basically the main character,I want to see a proper comic book accurate adaptation and the animated adaptation too like the 1992 X-Men,Wolverine and the X-Men and X-Men Evolution because Cyclops is my second favourite character and it's just criminal how they portrayed him in the movies I hate it James Marsden was perfect for the role but they messed that up,the point is I want the MCU verison to focus on the team not just Wolverine,of course he should still get his own solo movies but let the X-Men stand out together like they're supposed to,not like the cheap knock off version we got from Fox because there are so many things the movies got wrong about the X-Men and they're characters I personally love the fox X-Men and the real ending was DOFP and Logan is an alternative timeline still stands out as the best X-Men and one of the best movies of all time,the MCU needs to give us the real X-Men adaptation straight out of the comics and animated series and I am dying to finally see Wolverine don the yellow suit with a possible Hugh Jackman return for one more ride
8:56 I wish someone put as much care into the X-men movies as they have into the Fast and Furious movies.
I AM SERIOUS. Just travel the world and thing of set pieces. Hell, do it like the mission impossible movies and just replace a bazooka moment or a missile moment with a mutant moment.
Fast and furious transformed from movies about street racing to mission impossible with cars
Hell no, even fast and furious needs to die.
Lack of complex characters. Storm was an African queen/goddess and that was ever mentioned. The parallels of racism and mutants were o my hinted at. Magneto’s past as a concentration camp slave was mentioned and then forgotten. Night crawler shows up, everyone loves him and then he is never seen again; he has a complex past and story as well that is also not developed. Angel is introduced and then he disappears with no explanation. The lack of growth in these characters is astonishing. I wonder if X men would have worked better if they made a Cyclops movie, Storm movie, jean gray and had Professor X cameo in all of them similar to how Nick Fury was used. Then they come out with an X-man movie. That way they can all have different personalities and character growth. Think hard, other than powers and appearance what is the difference between Jean Grey and Storm in the movies that have been made. They are the same character that could easily replace the other’s role if they had to.
gotta say: i really enjoyed Dark Phoenix (that OST from Hans Zimmer) and most of the X-men movies (not Origins Wolverine). Actually, i think it's one of the best movies in the series! I understand why it flooped as a franchise and all, but... why did people hated Dark Phoenix so much?
What did you like about the film? I haven't seen it. I'm interested in hearing the positives.
@@jeffextreme5498 Dude, for starters: the action scenes and the CGI in general are amazing! The soundtrack is Hanz Zimmer's, so it speaks for itself. The acting was solid for everyone (except JenLawm but meh) and so did the script. It's a very very loose adaptation of the Comics, BUT it's true to the X-MEN cinematic saga, you know? To be honest, the worst thing about it is not the movie fault: it has no ending. It's clear that they would expand the story, the phoenix character and saga, but it got cancelled after it was already shot and done, so, have that in mind!
It's not a perfect movie, but it's far from an Origins Wolverine or The Last Stand! It's a very good movie if you liked the X-Men movies!
And my wife's opinion: the best thing about it is that they shined a light in characters that haven't had a chance in previous movies. For example, to us, this was the best version of Cyclops, and we could really see him becoming a leader naturally!
@@Haganino1 Thanks for the info. How did you feel about Apocalypse? One of my biggest issues with the last few films is how far they have strayed from how the characters should be.
Disney needs to wait a few years, then announce a reset of X-Men into the MCU with the end of X-Men Days of Future Past.
why didnt Kurt's hands freeze in space when he grabbed Jean?
Wow they crossed this with game of thrones! I was wondering what Sansa was going to do with her rule as queen of the north.
People need to stop saying Logan was the perfect send off for the X-Men. Logan was the perfect send off for Hugh Jackmans time as Wolverine, not the character of Wolverine or the X-Men franchise but they really did drop the ball on the franchise
It was going so well, lots of hits, a couple of misses and then they changed everything that made it great and wondered why the franchise died
I must be the only person that generally liked Dark Phoenix. Not my favorite. Days of Future Past & Logan are my top 2. But Dark Phoenix is a close 3rd for me. The ending definitely could have been better since it was their final X-men movie & I wish we seen more of all the X-men but I really enjoyed Sophie Turner's take on Jean. Here's hoping we get a proper X-men movie from Marvel.
What did you like about it?
6 billion dollars combined at the box office is a failure now? Lol.
They didn't plan it out like how Disney did with their Marvel movies. X-Men had three great storyline well four if you want to count Wolverine's storyline as well. The Dark Phoenix saga of course. The Age of Apocalypse and the House of M. Each one should be at least five or six movies for each storyline. Now Deadpool movies are great additions to the X-Men universe movie franchise. It would also lead to X Force, X factor and the New mutants. Now this X-Men movie franchise was a rollercoaster some good, some terrible, some ok and some great.
Is it bad tht wen u guys showed the 90s x-men cartoon images I immediately played the theme song in my head lmao
No way, exactly what I did. That cartoon was everything and the theme tune was just the nuts!
@@crazyeyeskillah fully agree! I grew up waking up n rushing home to watch it every day
The reason it failed was because the people they hired never gave a shit about respect to the source material and when those people fucked it up and they had to rebuild it they brought that same person back that had created this terrible foundation for those films so you don't get a variety of adaptations or respect to the source material, you get the same inevitable result.
Brian singer making his version of the X-Men at a time when nobody had ever seen the xmen on screen is why the movies them selves are viewed as OK with critics at the time. But when you get Spiderman by Sam Raimi completely crusihing what singer did less than 2 years after showing you a colorful superhero film with all the great characters that have been adapted properly and you don't even introduce characters like Apocalypse until years after you had to reboot it in the first place then you are the problem! look and I ask these people don't accept that because they grew up on these movies and had no idea how these characters should really have been treated and done from the start. If you grew up on the X-Men animated series and watched the X-Men movies at Fox over the years you knew damn well why this crashed and burned
The costumes at the end of apocalypse were really good. Honestly the only good part of that movie.
Days of Future Past would have been an amazing send-off.
*Logan would like to know your location*
I agree. DOFP was a perfect send off for both casts. Logan is a terrible send off because it dooms all the X Men and leaves us with a bunch of mutants kids we barely know.
Just imagine. They COULD"VE made Apocalypse FIRST, lost to the big purple guy, and then done Days of the Future Past, where they go back in time to....stop him...wait, why does that sound familiar?
@@jph4889 they did plan that at first but the studio did not want that
@@jph4889 He wasn't purple lmao
If I were to adapt X-men, I wouldn’t have it be a movie. I think it needs to be a tv series. There are so many stories and characters in the X-men (the X-men are the wu tang clan of the comic book world) so give it an 8-10 episode run on a streaming service, 1 hr an episode for maybe 5-6 seasons/series I think you could do it justice
ChandSlam that’s kinda what I was thinking. X-men is probably the only comic book that would benefit more from a tv show format than movies. That’s kinda why the animated show was so great. Or they do what they did with Spider-Man and not really do n origin movie because we know his origins story. Except they need more justice for the origin story
I kind of agree even though I think you can do movies to get the most out of something like xmen a long serial type of series or format I think is best there are just so many characters heroes,supporting characters,villians its like its own mini universe in scope and its very heavy on character development and relationships and obviously the social commentary its different from the avengers and should be treated as such.
The gifted?
Yaaa... No.
Then starting standalone series of popular characters form original xmen tv series... Like they did with the CW shows of DC(flash, arrow, supergirl) or like defenders like individual then a series binding thrn together....