My first decision with Multi tools is "does the tool have riveted pins ?" If it does, I don't buy it. If something like a Gerber Dime can come with bolts, they all can ! I've been carrying Multi tools since 1996 and without adjustable pins they aren't worth getting. Some tools are heirloom quality, most aren't. I've still got my 1996 SOG Paratool and without the bolts I couldn't have repaired the broken parts or adjusted the friction to keep it in 100% useful condition. If you can't repair something, you don't really own it !
Nice video. For proper work the Surge is the only real option. I've lost mine so i've been looking and nothing comes close. Making do with my backup charge tti. Cybertool 34 for legal street carry (UK, so no locking blades). I'd like to see more tools integrate the 4mm bits. One of the big advantages of the surge/wave/charge is being able to carry 42 different bits. Similar could be achieved with 4mm bits. Hot tip, I glued a bit kit holder to my phone case.
I tend to disagree with the focus on one-handed operation. For me personally, suitability of tool for the job is more important than whether I can access the tool with one hand. For example, I don't mind if the scissors on my Surge are inside or outside, as long as they work really well when I need them. That said, great video as always, many thanks.
@@gregtomamichel973 There are a lot of guys out there who've been in the position of holding something with one hand, and have to reach for their tool with the other to fix it. For me, the functionality of the tools is most important, yes. Though one exception for me is the main blade. I prefer that the blade can be opened with hand hand. Selfdefense is priority for me, yes, even in a multitool.
His approach wasn't front of mind for me before, but I kinda get it. The whole point of a multitool is to have something right here, versus a toolbox back in the truck or whereever. And if that's true, then having instant access to its internal tools is really the same factor, taken one step further.
Great video thank you. There are so many variables that go into making a great edc tool for anyone, it’s refreshing to hear someone in this space come out and invite people to actually think about it rather than react to the next shiny new toy.
Great video here. I really wanted LM charge and Skeletool to be my multitool of choices but after a year, it actually is the wingman and rebar that i grab, use, and like more. You don't choose the multitool, the multitool choose you in the end... at least for me :) I'm just an everyday urban guy.
For me I think that's why I crossed out Leathermans (for my usecase) because I don't use pliers all that often - and when I do (actually rare), I reach for the Cobra XS in my house, car or office cabinet. I also don't need a tomahawk knife. So I basically currently use a Vic Rambler. But I think an ideal multitool would be a GerberDime done right. ie everything the Gerber Dime has - but where every tool worked correctly, cleanly and was high-quality. They had the right size, right tools but shoddy quality.
Going by your definition of primary and secondary, I'd say that there's a third category, tertiary i.e. those tools which are only accessible by opening the pliers i.e. on the inside, which means all the tools on a Leatherman Rebar or Supertool 300, and all but the pliers on a Gerber MP600. However for me it isn't really a major consideration and quality of the multitool and individual tools is most important. Hence I prefer my Rebar over the Free series.
Makes sense but I think the time and effort difference between say the rebar and spirit are about the same, so either way they are tools that work more as companions to your primary functions in your edc...whatever those happen to be.
I find it fascinating that people will dedicate endless effort reflecting on, prioritizing, and pursuing the compliment of tools in their truck; the apps on their phone; the accoutrements in their kitchen.. they put considerable attention into optimizing the needs of their finances, their car, their golf bag, their hard drive, their medication and supplements, gym routines, etc. But when they come to you and ask, "What multitool should I get?" they just want to hear an answer. You ask what their needs are, what their priorities are, all that stuff that leads to a proper assessment, and very often you are met with "come on.. just tell me the best one!"
I bought myself a GOAT tool off of indegogo. Can't wait for it to get here. As a welder it seems like a great tool because there is no dedicated welding multi tool and I can make a specific welding configuration!
@@maxlvledc I bought a wave but to be honest I wasn’t too impressed by it. I also own a skeletool Lock the multiple ways you can carry it but it seems only suited for light duty Task
A lot of ppl are not...I think this mindset can easily apply to carrying just about anything though..including choosing knife geometry...size, and steel
Great video. My friend has a leatherman signal and I really liked the looks of it so I went digging up the multitools and pocket knives my dad has (around 8). They all sucked as none had primary functions like you described. I ended up going with a wave clone (GHK6 from aliexpress) as it has a very nice big primary knife. Material/build quality wasnt that big of a concern for me because i do most of my work at my workbench where I already have lots of tools. Needed a upgraded pocket knife
I got the surge/wave clone today, i definitely agree with all the points in your video. After loosening a nut and adding a lot of oil to all the joints, it is amazing. The knife, file, saw, and scissors can all be accessed one handed and make for great primary functions. Leatherman really know what they're doing when designing these
@@maxlvledc also i have an idea for a multi tool that would be very difficult if not impossible to do. adding 2 extra primary tools so u have plain edge, serrated edge, wood saw, metal saw, file, scissors metal saw, wood saw and metal file would all run on t shank adapters. @LEATHERMAN contact me and i will give u a few more good ideas
What you say makes a lot of sense about any multitool being very specific to individual needs. Agreed. However there is one massive flaw in this video. You seem to have confused the term 'primary' with 'one-handed opening'. A one-handed opening tool is a one-handed opening tool not a 'primary tool'. If you need OHO (on any tool) then this capability is important and relevent to you, if you don't need OHO it is not. Surely a 'primary' tool in a multitool is the tool(s) or function(s) that you need most eg A knife, or pliers, or screwdriver, or prybar, or awl, or whatever etc - And this criteria should determine your choice of MT - If you also need it to be OHO ... that narrows your selection further. You may also wish to refine your selection even further by criteria such as outside accessible!
No Leatherman OHT? (One Handed Tool) PS: The Leatherman OHT definitely caught my eye because of the pliers and the grip, I highly suggest you look into this tool, I feel like you're missing out and it sounds like exactly what you're looking for.
@@maxlvledc thanks for getting back, I am extremely hard on my tools especially one as a multitool that I expect to keep up with me throughout the day, I have yet to destroy or even deface my OHT, I would buy another one without hesitation. I'll look for a patreon link or such and see if I can donate to help you get an OHT. Cheers 🍻
@@maxlvledc checked the video description no patreon there also, nothing in the "About" of your YT channel, doesn't look like you have a pay to sub YT set up either. I'll leave another comment with personal info, please contact me there.
See my problem is I want scissors and pliers while still being small like the skeletool but it's missing the scissors but it has the bit driver and pliers and itd be cool if you change the knife out for scissors seeing how I have a dedicated knife already 🤷♂️
It might be possible to add a 91mm vic scissor, but in reality far simpler and more affective to add a 58mm alox classic to a keychain or add it to a wallet etc
My Ideal multitool is a charge plus with scissors, awl, 3d phillips and two flat blade screwdrivers. I’m in the process of modding one but it takes a lot of grinding and filing. Wish they just made one like it 😂 The victorinox spirit x is perfect except that it’s not one hand opening for the main blade.
and no clip...and the plier head is almost a blunt nose..and some of the tools are very hard to get out. and the scissors are the worst ones vic every made (but still decent). the quality of the spirit though is near impossible to match.
@@maxlvledc I don’t mind the blunt nose I used to carry and love an old school gerber mp600 (before the plastic locks, the competitor to the pst) super tough tool. D And I like a skinth shield to carry my mt’s and a flashlight so no clip isn’t a problem for me. Only thing I miss is a oho blade. I’m now trying to get my lm bond loose to get a serrated blade and woodsaw in it but damn these recessed screws are killing me. The kick clips don’t work on it. I ordered some parse wrenches from loki, do those work on the bond?
Can't help but notice the Cybertool you have has the inline screwdriver & magnifier, which model is that? I love to get one! Great point on the ideal multitool, Subscribed
I really really lreally like this comment. It was the same conclusion I eventually came to after playing with God knows how many of them. This is why I eventually settled on the Signal as my EDC. its specialized enough for my particular needs.
Great video 👍 I do have a specific multitool question maybe you can answer. Best thick wire cutters. I need more than my rebar. I'm thinking supertool but sogs system has me wondering which cuts easiest . Solid thick wire 🤷🏼♂️🙏
I can 100% answer this with a video made by Ben over on Texas tool Crib: ua-cam.com/video/kVuMexHe_fg/v-deo.html You can now get those cutters directly from leatherman and you do not need to mod them.
I wanted to like I really did but it was on 69 likes & I'm far too childish sooo 🤷♂️😅😅. The multi tool I'm going to be using is the SOG POWER ASSIST MT ( Black) but I'm going to upgrade it with a file & scissors I'm also going to get the leatherman Ratchet for it too.
My first decision with Multi tools is "does the tool have riveted pins ?" If it does, I don't buy it.
If something like a Gerber Dime can come with bolts, they all can !
I've been carrying Multi tools since 1996 and without adjustable pins they aren't worth getting. Some tools are heirloom quality, most aren't.
I've still got my 1996 SOG Paratool and without the bolts I couldn't have repaired the broken parts or adjusted the friction to keep it in 100% useful condition.
If you can't repair something, you don't really own it !
You can
@Crackadona I know that. But it's useless if you live outside of North America.
Nice video.
For proper work the Surge is the only real option. I've lost mine so i've been looking and nothing comes close. Making do with my backup charge tti.
Cybertool 34 for legal street carry (UK, so no locking blades). I'd like to see more tools integrate the 4mm bits. One of the big advantages of the surge/wave/charge is being able to carry 42 different bits. Similar could be achieved with 4mm bits. Hot tip, I glued a bit kit holder to my phone case.
I tend to disagree with the focus on one-handed operation. For me personally, suitability of tool for the job is more important than whether I can access the tool with one hand. For example, I don't mind if the scissors on my Surge are inside or outside, as long as they work really well when I need them. That said, great video as always, many thanks.
I didn't understand the one handed thing either until I saw a video referring to telecoms linesman on ladders, then I got it.
@@edwardfletcher7790 OK, but I'm not a telecom linesman on a ladder! For me, functionality of the tools is the main thing.
@@gregtomamichel973 I'm not either, but I know a LOT of buyers are. I've just got a MK2 Wave.
@@gregtomamichel973 There are a lot of guys out there who've been in the position of holding something with one hand, and have to reach for their tool with the other to fix it. For me, the functionality of the tools is most important, yes. Though one exception for me is the main blade. I prefer that the blade can be opened with hand hand. Selfdefense is priority for me, yes, even in a multitool.
His approach wasn't front of mind for me before, but I kinda get it. The whole point of a multitool is to have something right here, versus a toolbox back in the truck or whereever. And if that's true, then having instant access to its internal tools is really the same factor, taken one step further.
Great video thank you. There are so many variables that go into making a great edc tool for anyone, it’s refreshing to hear someone in this space come out and invite people to actually think about it rather than react to the next shiny new toy.
I still have yet to find an ideal multi tool. I'm going to end up making what I need to fit in an existing tool to fit my needs.
Believe me, I get it. Good luck!!
I carry a primary knife so any multi tool is secondary.
Exactly, and that's perfectly fine 👍
Exactly
Great video here.
I really wanted LM charge and Skeletool to be my multitool of choices but after a year, it actually is the wingman and rebar that i grab, use, and like more.
You don't choose the multitool, the multitool choose you in the end... at least for me :) I'm just an everyday urban guy.
For me I think that's why I crossed out Leathermans (for my usecase) because I don't use pliers all that often - and when I do (actually rare), I reach for the Cobra XS in my house, car or office cabinet. I also don't need a tomahawk knife. So I basically currently use a Vic Rambler. But I think an ideal multitool would be a GerberDime done right. ie everything the Gerber Dime has - but where every tool worked correctly, cleanly and was high-quality. They had the right size, right tools but shoddy quality.
Going by your definition of primary and secondary, I'd say that there's a third category, tertiary i.e. those tools which are only accessible by opening the pliers i.e. on the inside, which means all the tools on a Leatherman Rebar or Supertool 300, and all but the pliers on a Gerber MP600.
However for me it isn't really a major consideration and quality of the multitool and individual tools is most important. Hence I prefer my Rebar over the Free series.
Makes sense but I think the time and effort difference between say the rebar and spirit are about the same, so either way they are tools that work more as companions to your primary functions in your edc...whatever those happen to be.
I find it fascinating that people will dedicate endless effort reflecting on, prioritizing, and pursuing the compliment of tools in their truck; the apps on their phone; the accoutrements in their kitchen.. they put considerable attention into optimizing the needs of their finances, their car, their golf bag, their hard drive, their medication and supplements, gym routines, etc.
But when they come to you and ask, "What multitool should I get?" they just want to hear an answer. You ask what their needs are, what their priorities are, all that stuff that leads to a proper assessment, and very often you are met with "come on.. just tell me the best one!"
sadly true.
I really enjoy your videos and thinking about modifying my Surge
I bought myself a GOAT tool off of indegogo. Can't wait for it to get here. As a welder it seems like a great tool because there is no dedicated welding multi tool and I can make a specific welding configuration!
That would be sweet.
@@maxlvledc thanks. Can't wait to beat the ever loving shit out of it and basically trash the thing at work!!!
I carry a one handed opening knife. So since the knife in my multitool is a back up a rebar or super tool 300 is more than enough.
Yep! Makes sense to me
@@maxlvledc I bought a wave but to be honest I wasn’t too impressed by it. I also own a skeletool Lock the multiple ways you can carry it but it seems only suited for light duty Task
This has become one of my favorite channels to watch these days.
Ty!
Not really into multi tools but I found this very interesting
A lot of ppl are not...I think this mindset can easily apply to carrying just about anything though..including choosing knife geometry...size, and steel
Surge mod? Did surge had a baby with super tool 300
Haha, indeed, it's one of my custom hybrids
No, primary tools have absolutely nothing to do with one handed which is just a gimmick. It has to do with frequency and quality of use for a task.
Great video. My friend has a leatherman signal and I really liked the looks of it so I went digging up the multitools and pocket knives my dad has (around 8). They all sucked as none had primary functions like you described. I ended up going with a wave clone (GHK6 from aliexpress) as it has a very nice big primary knife. Material/build quality wasnt that big of a concern for me because i do most of my work at my workbench where I already have lots of tools. Needed a upgraded pocket knife
I got the surge/wave clone today, i definitely agree with all the points in your video. After loosening a nut and adding a lot of oil to all the joints, it is amazing. The knife, file, saw, and scissors can all be accessed one handed and make for great primary functions. Leatherman really know what they're doing when designing these
can u do overview (approx 10 minute) videos for all multi tools THAT U HAVE MODDED?
That would take like an hour lol, but not a bad idea
@@maxlvledc also i have an idea for a multi tool that would be very difficult if not impossible to do. adding 2 extra primary tools so u have plain edge, serrated edge, wood saw, metal saw, file, scissors
metal saw, wood saw and metal file would all run on t shank adapters. @LEATHERMAN contact me and i will give u a few more good ideas
What you say makes a lot of sense about any multitool being very specific to individual needs. Agreed. However there is one massive flaw in this video. You seem to have confused the term 'primary' with 'one-handed opening'. A one-handed opening tool is a one-handed opening tool not a 'primary tool'. If you need OHO (on any tool) then this capability is important and relevent to you, if you don't need OHO it is not. Surely a 'primary' tool in a multitool is the tool(s) or function(s) that you need most eg A knife, or pliers, or screwdriver, or prybar, or awl, or whatever etc - And this criteria should determine your choice of MT - If you also need it to be OHO ... that narrows your selection further. You may also wish to refine your selection even further by criteria such as outside accessible!
I’m now hooked on the sog assisted opening mt
Why?
Great vid man
No Leatherman OHT?
(One Handed Tool)
PS: The Leatherman OHT definitely caught my eye because of the pliers and the grip, I highly suggest you look into this tool, I feel like you're missing out and it sounds like exactly what you're looking for.
Look at it many times...far too bulky with a plier head that is more prone to breakage
@@maxlvledc thanks for getting back, I am extremely hard on my tools especially one as a multitool that I expect to keep up with me throughout the day, I have yet to destroy or even deface my OHT, I would buy another one without hesitation.
I'll look for a patreon link or such and see if I can donate to help you get an OHT.
Cheers 🍻
@@Girrthedogxxx that's very kind 🙏, at some point I'll try it
@@maxlvledc checked the video description no patreon there also, nothing in the "About" of your YT channel, doesn't look like you have a pay to sub YT set up either.
I'll leave another comment with personal info, please contact me there.
@@Girrthedogxxx I'll look into it
See my problem is I want scissors and pliers while still being small like the skeletool but it's missing the scissors but it has the bit driver and pliers and itd be cool if you change the knife out for scissors seeing how I have a dedicated knife already 🤷♂️
It might be possible to add a 91mm vic scissor, but in reality far simpler and more affective to add a 58mm alox classic to a keychain or add it to a wallet etc
My Ideal multitool is a charge plus with scissors, awl, 3d phillips and two flat blade screwdrivers.
I’m in the process of modding one but it takes a lot of grinding and filing.
Wish they just made one like it 😂
The victorinox spirit x is perfect except that it’s not one hand opening for the main blade.
and no clip...and the plier head is almost a blunt nose..and some of the tools are very hard to get out. and the scissors are the worst ones vic every made (but still decent).
the quality of the spirit though is near impossible to match.
@@maxlvledc I don’t mind the blunt nose I used to carry and love an old school gerber mp600 (before the plastic locks, the competitor to the pst) super tough tool. D
And I like a skinth shield to carry my mt’s and a flashlight so no clip isn’t a problem for me.
Only thing I miss is a oho blade.
I’m now trying to get my lm bond loose to get a serrated blade and woodsaw in it but damn these recessed screws are killing me. The kick clips don’t work on it. I ordered some parse wrenches from loki, do those work on the bond?
@@plumbraider2265 yep, 100% they work. and teh clip comes from the free series.
@@maxlvledc nice, I’ve already got the clip on it!
Wonder why the kick clip isn’t working though
Can't help but notice the Cybertool you have has the inline screwdriver & magnifier, which model is that? I love to get one! Great point on the ideal multitool, Subscribed
That was a custom bladeless cybertool I made myself 😉
@@maxlvledc Wow even bladeless, love to see you to talk about that custom Cybertool
Any multitool is secondary for me , until there's one specialized
I really really lreally like this comment. It was the same conclusion I eventually came to after playing with God knows how many of them. This is why I eventually settled on the Signal as my EDC. its specialized enough for my particular needs.
what's the clip on the Juice, and where can I buy one?
That was a 3D printed lanyard clip I designed.
Do you prefer black or stainless steel when it comes to leatherman?
I used to say black...but I found it rusts just as easily. So I'd rather have regular stainless for being able to detect it.
What is the Victorinox-looking tool second from left?
its a custom cybertool that I built.
Great video 👍 I do have a specific multitool question maybe you can answer. Best thick wire cutters. I need more than my rebar. I'm thinking supertool but sogs system has me wondering which cuts easiest . Solid thick wire 🤷🏼♂️🙏
I can 100% answer this with a video made by Ben over on Texas tool Crib: ua-cam.com/video/kVuMexHe_fg/v-deo.html You can now get those cutters directly from leatherman and you do not need to mod them.
@@maxlvledc wow man thanks 100% 🤟
@@antdew3021 cheers
What clip is that on the Spirit X??? I am trying to figure out a pocket clip for my rebar...
It was a discontinued night eyes eclipse clip, you can still get a non locking variety
What was the pry bar you brought out ?
At what time?
🙌🙌🙌🙌 me I think you are the expert
cheers, thanks.
what model is Leatherman third from the left?
Sideclip
How did you get the skin on your knipex? Also what knife is at 7:03?
Vero Engineering Synapse XL (impossible to find) and the Lazer etch was done by edc outlaw on IG
I wanted to like I really did but it was on 69 likes & I'm far too childish sooo 🤷♂️😅😅. The multi tool I'm going to be using is the SOG POWER ASSIST MT ( Black) but I'm going to upgrade it with a file & scissors I'm also going to get the leatherman Ratchet for it too.
Awesome!!
I see 9 multi tools
I have so many more..its embarrassing..but I'm trying to slim out.
Isn't just a rehash of NutnPanties?
Never saw it, but your the second one to mention it
I rewatched your vid and I recant the idea