Wow, 96 is my standard temp with 27 long yrs of Hashimotos. Just started adding T3 to the usual T4 but still my temp is 96, and my feeling perpetually cold is getting ridiculously unbearable as I age , am 54. What changes did you make? Am trying AIP diet for Hashimotos as ketovore didn’t work out. What changes did you make from Ray’s advises? Thanks for sharing.
@@goodhealth3020 I basically ate fruit, milk,.Steak, liver, eggs, butter, oysters, white rice, some veg (not much) moved onto sourdough bread and potatoes. I had plenty of bine broth or gelitine every day. Keeping my carbs up over 175 was key. If i had less carbs than that my thyroid would tank and coldness would come back. Also eating enough calories. I was wat under eating at 1500 cals a day and was able to get those up and my metabolism soared. I can eat 2500-2800 a day now. It's amazing and delicious. All my hormones balanced out to normal. I'm 43 and hormones were dying. They are better now than in my 20s.
@@jenniferflower9265 interesting, still all clean carbs. But didn’t carbs increase cause weight gain? I struggle with the battle between weight or thyroid (temp gain) as less carbs keep wt in check but leaves me shivering.
@@StrongSistas Same here and i lost weight on it too. The trick is to perform a protein sparing modified fast by eating meat on your meals, use fruit juices as your electrolites and stay moderately active. The weight just melts off.
@@KenWang2 if you're drinking juice, I don't really think you can call it a psmf. I like the idea of them, but the insulin index of the meat just seems like a great way to induce catabolism, so if you're not a Bodybuilder on gear they seem like a bad plan
Another fascinating episode. I've enjoyed this series. And mind blown on transplant patients being given PUFAs to suppress their immune system! Thanks so much for doing these. Would love it if you get Georgie back on in the future. Great job!
I eat sugar and fruit all the time. I have no craving for sugar at all. Even ice cream is a meh. When I was on keto low carb I did crave sugar. This is a new experience for me. With a more steady blood sugar my need to feed is normal and 3 meals a day keeps my mood stable also.
Thank you for sharing such great content. You are a fantastic interviewer- love how you summarise/synthesise everything and try to draw out practical implications for your audience. On dairy, I do think quality is very important. I’ve lived on four different continents (most of my childhood/adolescence in the US) and remember getting an acute histamine reaction from dairy products in the US. Since then I subconsciously moved away from all dairy products until I moved to Europe. I started consuming dairy right after coming off a long term vegan diet and surprisingly experienced no adverse effects. In fact I thrive on dairy and it’s a staple in my diet now. I see a lot of US based influencers saying blanket statements that dairy is bad and causes weight gain/inflammation, but I think this has to do with the quality of dairy in the US and hope that more people would try dairy if they have access to a reliable source. I’m fine with any store bought dairy product (w/o additives) and it’s sad to see dairy getting so much hate.
24:00 Concerning Greek yogurt. It is true that Greek yogurt has much less lactic acid as opposed to regular yogurt. But what many do not know is that there are types of Greek yogurt as well. The best Greek yogurt with the least amount of lactic acid, even more so than regular strained Greek yogurt is triple strained Greek yogurt. Chobani non-fat is one of the brand examples. They don’t add stuff to it either. If you taste that compared even to regular Greek yogurt, you will notice a different in the taste. The triple strained Greek yogurt will have virtually no acid taste it, even compared to regular strained Greek yogurt.
I LOVE milk. I had a full glass a day until I got sick. From there, milk made me so sick. So I became vegan. Unknowingly I killed my stomach acid even further! Thank you for this interview. I’m working on getting pathogens out and reintroducing milk soon!
My theory on why we can handle almost any foods when we're kids and then later in life we cannot is because we were never supposed to eat those certain foods and it took the time from when we were kids to the time of the issues with those certain foods to affect us and during that time it was affecting us gradually anyways just my opinion awesome channel btw
@@wordbrah628 That sounds like the plan. They did it slowly and surely through our food, air, and water. Insidiously. So it wouldn't be noticed. Better days ahead. Cures and miracles.
If you want more info for Addiction read Dr. Gabor Mate's book or lecture. but Georgi is fine despite he is just a supplement salesman but some good info too.
Ray Peat ideas is the way to go. WestonPrice has some good info too. From what I understand the Ray Peat principles recommend white sugar as the extra source of calories after orange juice as the main carbohydrate. Milk's source of lactose is the most thyroid stimulating carbohydrate of all. The coffee consumption is around 150 grams of dark roast; dark roast is chosen because it is highest in niacin, that much should give about 50mg of b3 which increases sugar oxidation, high in potassium, source of b1 and according to Peat coffee acts as thyroid, will increase magnesium retention/utilization. He says thyroid also increases sugar oxidation. Adding white sugar to coffee that strong then has the required nutrients to use it. Combine with coconut oil, which also greatly enhances sugar oxidation. I think he recommends a teaspoon at a time. Having sufficient salt will also help this process and the production of carbon dioxide. Marmalade is recommended too, especially from seville oranges. Strong anti-estrogen, anti-histamine, anti excessive nitric oxide. Starches not highly recommended, as they tend towards persorption, can increase endotoxin; consuming with saturated fats helps counter this. White rice and potatoes are the best if starches are to be consumed. I think he also consumes turnips and squash too. According to Peat 20grams of potatoe proteins= about 36 grams of dairy protein. The keto acids help lower ammonia too and increase the utilization of protein. Honey is recommended, it is a staple carbohydrate of an established society. Peat also consumes nixtamalized corn, this process increases the calcium and niacin in the corn. The only thing I don't understand with this is it appears very high in pufa which is not consistent with his other views, unless he consumes very little of it. I know he recommends coconut oil to counter pufa and usage of vitamin e too. Thanks for having Georgi on and your prior interview with Ray Peat.
I love milk...grew up on it...use it for my kefir, tea and drinking...im never ill...love it...it seems every corner you turn...food good...food bad ...dont eat this ..yes eat that...i say trust in Jesus and eat what works for you...👍...love cheese also...
Do you eat and drink grocery store cheese and milk or have you found local raw products. I would love to know where to get good quality dairy. I live in Iowa so it shouldn’t be difficult but it is.
You two were kicking some real beneficial knowledge! Thank you both. I appreciate all the learning. I've been eating organic sauerkraut that has not been pasteurized
How did it come to this? Having to defend sugar? A balanced diet which includes some sugar is perfectly healthy. It provides energy and is easy to digest.
Around 60-33-7 carb-fat-protein in human milk. Protein is quite low but it is of the highest quality and other factors in milk assist its assimilation, including its high carb ratio, so for adults a bit higher is probably good. Fat is fairly high but not a problem due to the baby's high metabolic rate. As we get older pufa is accumulated into our fatty tissue. You need to take into consideration that you can't just replace one type of carb/protein/fat for another and expect same effects.
One, milk has different composition at different times in a newborn's life. Two, there is no inherent reason to think that a growing newborn's macros are optimal for an adult.
I seem to do okay with orange juice or coke or water-ice but become extremely ill and fatigued and inflamed from starch like potatoes or rice. Anyone with similar experience?
If you are doing well with carnivore then stay with it, or else you’ll be down to Rabbit hole of supplements and you’ll be ordering Georgi’s supplements he’s one of the best Supplement Salesman out there he even live in supplement warehouse sometimes, and you can see it on this video.
Hi, Great 3 part critisim series. I have a few comments that weren't addressed. Apart from lactose intolerance, what about the large number of people who are intolerant/allergic to milk due to the casein protein, some people can tolerate a2 and not a1. Other folks that have Celiac and even non-celiac gluten intolerance experience casein intolerance/allergy due to the mimicking of the very similar protein allergens. There are many people diagnosed with celiac and many more that have it and are not diagnosed. I for one was diagnosed at 50 yrs of age, yet I had been seeing GI Dr's since my early teens. Last yr I was experimenting with raw a2 kefir,but we have moved across the country (Canada)and there are thus far no good sources, impossible to get raw dairy here, which cut my experiment short. The other question was about addiction. I agree about the high cortisol and low dopamine, but it is not always the cause, yet it is most always associated, and I believe that many addictionS, as you mentioned can relate to past traumas, managing lifestyle stress/circadian biology etc, but a huge missing piece is nutrient deficiencies ( Inc food, water source, light source, esp if long standing) which, will of course, impact all hormones/neurotransmitters, ie cortisol and low dopamine as a result of and not really the cause of addiction. One small example is thiamine deficiency, even if subclinical can lead to obsessive/addictive behaviors. Another is oxalate poisoning which can inhibit our ability to read our own body signals ie satiation, which usually, by way of wasting nutrients can cause very problematic deficiencies. High oxalate burdened people often crave high oxalate foods (until they learn more about the numerous ways oxalates damage the body). And there are many more ways people become addicted. And lactose intolerance is not only the only issue with dairy, which seems to be the focussed issue that comes up. Thank you for the series, good questions and responses, and genuinely helpful information.
Thanks for this content. Highly informative. Georgi’s point differentiating cane sugar from HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) is spot on. You’re better off drinking water with cane sugar and juice squeezed from lemon or lime than Soda with all these added ingredients.
How is your psoriasis now? Added back dairy? I am struggling still. Cant determine if its dairy or eggs as both are considered INFLAMMATORY but to each his own!
There are quite a lot of people who are sensitive to casein, not just lactose or whey, so consuming yoghurt or cheese (concentrated casein) will not help them. I'm one of those unfortunate ones, who cannot eat fresh cheese, cream etc. no matter how organic they are. We can play around with sheep or goat cheese (contaning A2 casein) or aged cheese (as casein degrades by aging) but only to a small extent. My body healed so much when I cut out dairy.
OK so if “sugar” is so addictive why don’t people just sit around consuming spoonfuls of white sugar? Does anybody think about this? Literally no one does that and never has. It is not “sugar” that is addictive.
Most people you know consume it with flavoring, etc, but you're wrong or lying to say "literally no one does and never has." I have seen (video) and read accounts of non-industrialized people wildly binge when introduced to refined white sugar by outsiders. It's bizarre how a person of Peat's personality attracts people with nearly antithetical ones: they all pass around the same ready-made lines (like your white sugar point, which I have seen multiple times before, which is how I know you follow Peat, even though you might claim no dogmatic behavior) in a condescending fashion, as if they all arrived at Peat's ideas independently. Is it their masterful intellectual independence that also caused the vast majority to hop from/to veg*nism to/from carnivory?
I would love to eat dairy...its the casien protein that causes my bloating. I did the Great Plains IGG test & casein & egg white were the only 2 foods I am intolerant of. I would love to know how to correct this . Please help!🤞
Relating to the discussion about 15 minutes in: if oxidizing fat is so bad, how are you supposed to lose weight? Looking into stuff like aspirin, B3 etc - they are all touted as anti-lipolytic. Well that is fine and good for a self-described sedentary 85 year old retired professor, not so much for someone looking to lose 30 pounds in as healthy and uninflammatory way as possible. Thoughts?
This was a great series. Very informative. Though I never saw a mention of avacado? Is that so bad? Also Kate deering book does not mention either only olive oil as a dressing
occasional avocado is fine, but your getting fat whenever you have a piece of meat, eggs or dairy anyway, so focus shouldnt be on adding more fat to the diet basically.
Rosacea (a skin condition) works exactly like Georgi explained. It clears up when a person is put on antibiotics. And the mechanism is not yet explained and understood apart from probable antinflammatory effect of antibiotics! But here you are. I don't know if it is 100% it. But seems logical. And understandable that rosacea comes back when antibiotics are stopped.
I think Georgi often mentions that weight is not always a great measure of health and that ironically some who are overweight are more protected from certain diseases, better recovery from certain surgeries, and health issues. Of course, I think that one can hide behind this notion but looks can be very deceiving. I think the speed and sharpness of his mind as well as his energy are good indicators that his metabolism has to be very robust. I have had plenty of average sized patients that actually looked healthy that were not able to ovulate and get pregnant until they gained weight. Obviously, being morbidly obese is undoubtedly not very healthy but I think many stockier humans can still be quite healthy.
My take is that he doesn't want to have to metabolize the PUFAs in his fat stores, and he is probably not overweight to the extent that his weight is a hindrance for moving around/walking and maybe even doing some exercise.
@@ennevudoppioo9763 pufas are mobilized via glucoronidation. Besides, he's also created a drug to accelerate PUFA excretion. And doesn't it take 4 years to get rid of pufa? How long has Georgi been applying Peat principles?
I had a question on the ongoing debate on dairy. I recently read an article where it was saying that flash pasteurized milk particularly the organic milk uses a much higher temperature for shorter period of time but the proteins get denatured at that high temperature. Where as regular milk. Is pasteurized slower at a lower temperature but means the milk will not last as long on the shelf because all pathogens are not fully eradicated. I've noticed that organic milk shelf life is much longer than the regular milk which is probably because of that reason. I tried some regular milk recently and noticed I was much Fuller on a glass of versus when I drink organic organic milk unfortunately all of them are store-bought. Is there any Credence to flash pasteurization denaturing the milk proteins because of the higher-temperature? It just seems hard to win with any dairy. Raw dairy runs the risk of infections from pathogens. Regular milk has all the hormones and everything else in it pesticides etc. And now possibly organic flash pasteurized has denature proteins?
I don't have any issue with dairy at all and consume Whole Foods 365 organic brand dairy products. Opinions? Also I drink chocolate milk post weight training and use nonfat milk for quick absorption because I eat a regular meal within an hour of that. I see that Kalona doesn't make nonfat milk but I'm considering switching to Kolona regardless for my post weight training chocolate milk. Thoughts? Also, is Wild salmon ok for my weekly fish? I realized that it's higher in PUFAS but.....I wish that everyone in the nutrition space who cites a study would validate it by stating the source and the valid statistical parameters employed in it!
It's Paul Chek who started off the dairy fear mongering, he states 80% of people are lactose intolerant and pasteurized milk has lost all nutrients but he never cites any evidence and you have to take his word because he is above all.
George has great arguments but I have a question? Why is George not the example of a healthy person. He looks inflamed and definitely obese. These are good questions to ask before I decide to listen or take the advise of someone that is not taking his own advice.
Nonsense. Just because a person's face is full doesn't mean that he's obese or inflamed. Don't go projecting various health conditions onto people you don't know.
Could you explain the science of living on potatoes? My college roommate in Russia lived on boiled potatoes. She was thin and energetic. I wonder, if she could've gotten nutritionally depleted. However, at 20 years of age, one can thrive on cardboard.
The starch in well cooked potatoes is gelatinized and the safest form of starch to consume, perhaps the next best thing to more simple sugars. Potatoes are also nutritionally quite akin to fruits, being high in nutrients, especially potassium and vitamin C. Animal feeding experiments show potatoes having a much better protein content that the amino acid analysis indicates. Potatoes have keto acids that the body can convert amino acids. Potatoes are also essentially void of fat (including PUFA) which means the body will make safe saturated fats as needed. Also the high carbohydrate diet deficient in PUFA will keep the metabolic rate high. Potatoes have proven to be able to sustain people during a famine. The deficiency that is likely to occur on a potato diet would be that of vitamin B12, which is easy to avoid with some animal protein. The famous Okinawan diet was around 70% purple sweet potatoes, which are in many ways quite similar to potatoes.
@@StrongSistas yes I sent him an email specifically begging him to use the audio set up he uses with Danny Roddy. The first interview with you was completely ruined because of his terrible audio quality. LOVING the new interviews. Great work sistas!
What about those diabetic cured by low carb diet ? If you carb diet cause insulin resistance why is that possible lot of patients are cured? And it’s well documented.
I make and drink kefir every day.....like plain Greek yoghurt good for gut health....like all fermented foods, they're a good addition to our microbiome.....any thoughts on the good ingredients in ferments ?
I have not been successful at finding raw dairy so I buy grass feed milk at grocery store. Does pasteurization kill and devoid all good things or is it still beneficial?
I don't think you need to worry about pasteurized milk. You cook most of your other food don't you? Cooked milk is probably fine. Especially if the nomadic mongols consume a lot of boiled milk tea and are healthy
Craving sugar, chocolate, etc, is much different than craving a drug/alcohol. Craving drugs/alcohol is suffering not the same level as with sugar, etc. Someone who has not experienced that kind of suffering (craving) will never really understand. One doesn't choose to crave. That being said if you cut out sugar from your diet you will experience withdrawals as you would with caffeine, nicotine, etc. This is a very simplistic example, it's much more complicated than this.
@@inspiringminds7284 not a brilliant thinker or a video maker. I work in the field of addiction, have for years. If you're truly interested in this stuff check this out, "Pleasure Unwoven." After you do get back to me. I look forward to hearing your thoughts after you've watched it. I actually value what you say because my patients say the same to me every day.
@@inspiringminds7284 again you make my point, " they don't have the ability to regulate their compulsions. It's not just drugs it's other parts of their lives, sex, spending money and the like." That's exactly what I'm saying. You do contradict yourself though in this last reply. Anyway, if you're truly interested in this stuff watch the video. As an aside, I don't have to listen to them, its my choice. I feel it's my duty and responsibility.
@@inspiringminds7284 just like the people I care for in my work you're set in your thinking. I stand by exactly what I said. You interpret it as you seem fit. Unfortunately it's scientific fact. One can learn to cope with these things. That's how people change their lives. Again the video explains it way better than through a chat. Possibly you have a concern or you wouldn't be watching these videos.Take care. I wish you well.
Despite Georgi's obvious brilliance - or at least seemingly obvious brilliance, he is all over the map and not a very good or orderly speaker. He needs to learn to arrive at discernible, to findable major points and summaries, so that the ordinary mortals who are trusting his infinite wisdom, are able to make sense of his rather complicated and meandering insights. This is where the host has served in invaluable purpose, but in her gentle way, she is encouraged to share with him just how confusing he can potentially be.
If you listen to him enough, or any of the other bio-energetic people for that matter, you’ll figure out that there’s a reason you’d think the speech is all over. Turns out chasing down otherwise unexplained pathologies is very nuanced, as well as individualistic biology, all housing these functions differently. There is no one way that people are wanting to hear. It’s worth mentioning that this science is still in its infancy and they truly are coming up with it as they go along in essence. It definitely is hard to follow and thus so many doctors shut this down because its something they cannot explain to their patients let alone themselves. I will say tho, I have never heard any of these guys contradict themselves
Remember that the vegan influencers in their 20s look healthy! Guess we don't know his health background. I liked the fact that Kate Deering said that she'd been doing the diet for 15 years. It's a good point that we want to see how people are faring. Ray Peat seems to have an incredibly sharp brain for his age. Definitely food for thought.
So can we really say salmon is bad because of the PUFAS I’ve always thought a paleo (ish) diet which includes fish was healthy and now I’m starting to question this.
Maybe someone doesn't practice what they preach; maybe they had health issues before learning and putting their knowledge into practice; maybe something else. Or, maybe what he's doing isn't working, and he's wrong. But, it does nobody any good to simply insult someone's appearance (or even personality). Instead of looking to Georgi, or anyone else, as a guru, how about present a counter argument, or listen, but research yourself and make your own choices?
Would be helpful to see reference points in his life before and after applying these principles. Brad Marshall (TCD guy) is still overweight but he was much more overweight before removing PUFAs.
Also, about the food addiction piece. I used to think I did have it, but now, looking back, I realize it is mentality I created myself in trying to do the right thing. I've created an unhealthy relationship with food. Terrible!
@@lindabell6954 I just started trying this, and am wondering if some of these issues are my body adjusting? I'm coming from a LCHF/Keto and struggled with emotional binge eating. Maybe I should list pros/cons of what I experience so far...?
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Wow - that is a perfect example of making an improper judgement based on your visual perception. I is his face shape - in fact - I would hypothesize that the average adult becomes very gaunt in the face and his face has a more youthful look.
Many of us are victims of our location. How far am I supposed to go to get these optimal foods? It shouldn’t be this hard to simply EAT. Love Georgie, but a person could become fairly crazy trying to initiate all he talks about. Frankly, he’s a little too glib about EVERYTHING. So I’m a tiny bit suspicious. Sorry.
Peat has said he drinks cheap non- organic supermarket milk, so I wonder how much difference there really is from cows being stressed, etc. I haven't noticed significant differences personally between brands.
thats sad dude, i have acess do whole milk direct from the farmer it tastes a lot better than cheap supermarket milk, ironically the price is also cheaper
Ray Pete principals recovered my thyroid and my body tempature went from 96s to 98.8. So thankful.
It was hypo or hyper thyroid ?
Hypo looking at her numbers
Wow, 96 is my standard temp with 27 long yrs of Hashimotos. Just started adding T3 to the usual T4 but still my temp is 96, and my feeling perpetually cold is getting ridiculously unbearable as I age , am 54. What changes did you make? Am trying AIP diet for Hashimotos as ketovore didn’t work out. What changes did you make from Ray’s advises? Thanks for sharing.
@@goodhealth3020 I basically ate fruit, milk,.Steak, liver, eggs, butter, oysters, white rice, some veg (not much) moved onto sourdough bread and potatoes. I had plenty of bine broth or gelitine every day. Keeping my carbs up over 175 was key. If i had less carbs than that my thyroid would tank and coldness would come back. Also eating enough calories. I was wat under eating at 1500 cals a day and was able to get those up and my metabolism soared. I can eat 2500-2800 a day now. It's amazing and delicious. All my hormones balanced out to normal. I'm 43 and hormones were dying. They are better now than in my 20s.
@@jenniferflower9265 interesting, still all clean carbs. But didn’t carbs increase cause weight gain? I struggle with the battle between weight or thyroid (temp gain) as less carbs keep wt in check but leaves me shivering.
Oh my goodness, this guy keeps blowing my mind with every word he speaks on every podcast. :)
I eat meats, eggs, milk, dairy and juice, fruits,honey. Perfect diet.
right there with ya. Feelin pretty dang good. (occasional potatoes)
i love honey and fruit juices, but it messes me up
@@StrongSistas Same here and i lost weight on it too. The trick is to perform a protein sparing modified fast by eating meat on your meals, use fruit juices as your electrolites and stay moderately active. The weight just melts off.
What’s the reason for no veggies?
@@KenWang2 if you're drinking juice, I don't really think you can call it a psmf.
I like the idea of them, but the insulin index of the meat just seems like a great way to induce catabolism, so if you're not a Bodybuilder on gear they seem like a bad plan
Another fascinating episode. I've enjoyed this series. And mind blown on transplant patients being given PUFAs to suppress their immune system! Thanks so much for doing these. Would love it if you get Georgie back on in the future. Great job!
Please include the publication for this research.
I eat sugar and fruit all the time. I have no craving for sugar at all. Even ice cream is a meh. When I was on keto low carb I did crave sugar. This is a new experience for me. With a more steady blood sugar my need to feed is normal and 3 meals a day keeps my mood stable also.
Thank you for sharing such great content. You are a fantastic interviewer- love how you summarise/synthesise everything and try to draw out practical implications for your audience.
On dairy, I do think quality is very important. I’ve lived on four different continents (most of my childhood/adolescence in the US) and remember getting an acute histamine reaction from dairy products in the US. Since then I subconsciously moved away from all dairy products until I moved to Europe. I started consuming dairy right after coming off a long term vegan diet and surprisingly experienced no adverse effects. In fact I thrive on dairy and it’s a staple in my diet now.
I see a lot of US based influencers saying blanket statements that dairy is bad and causes weight gain/inflammation, but I think this has to do with the quality of dairy in the US and hope that more people would try dairy if they have access to a reliable source. I’m fine with any store bought dairy product (w/o additives) and it’s sad to see dairy getting so much hate.
24:00 Concerning Greek yogurt. It is true that Greek yogurt has much less lactic acid as opposed to regular yogurt. But what many do not know is that there are types of Greek yogurt as well. The best Greek yogurt with the least amount of lactic acid, even more so than regular strained Greek yogurt is triple strained Greek yogurt. Chobani non-fat is one of the brand examples. They don’t add stuff to it either. If you taste that compared even to regular Greek yogurt, you will notice a different in the taste. The triple strained Greek yogurt will have virtually no acid taste it, even compared to regular strained Greek yogurt.
Thank you I will have to try this one. I’ve been enjoying Siggis Skyr. It’s so creamy!
I can get Cabot Greek yogurt. It’s the thickest and creamiest and seems to have good ingredients. It agrees with me where milk doesn’t.
I LOVE milk. I had a full glass a day until I got sick. From there, milk made me so sick. So I became vegan. Unknowingly I killed my stomach acid even further! Thank you for this interview. I’m working on getting pathogens out and reintroducing milk soon!
Georgi, thank you for your expertise. Strong Sista, thank you for having Georgi on.
I enjoy having conversations with Georgi!
@@StrongSistas I learned so much that was contradictory to my thinking. I am happy to learn how to handle high cortisol. Much obliged.
@@firetopman glad you got something out of this series :)
My theory on why we can handle almost any foods when we're kids and then later in life we cannot is because we were never supposed to eat those certain foods and it took the time from when we were kids to the time of the issues with those certain foods to affect us and during that time it was affecting us gradually anyways just my opinion awesome channel btw
@@wordbrah628 That sounds like the plan. They did it slowly and surely through our food, air, and water. Insidiously. So it wouldn't be noticed. Better days ahead. Cures and miracles.
This talk is invaluable, thank you. Georgi's insights into the causes of addiction are fascinating.
If you want more info for Addiction read Dr. Gabor Mate's book or lecture.
but Georgi is fine despite he is just a supplement salesman but some good info too.
Ray Peat Rocks! He is probably right about everything
I could listen to Georgi all day. What a great source of info, I'm binge watching these vidoes!
Ray Peat ideas is the way to go. WestonPrice has some good info too.
From what I understand the Ray Peat principles recommend white sugar as the extra source of calories after orange juice as the main carbohydrate. Milk's source of lactose is the most thyroid stimulating carbohydrate of all.
The coffee consumption is around 150 grams of dark roast; dark roast is chosen because it is highest in niacin, that much should give about 50mg of b3 which increases sugar oxidation, high in potassium, source of b1 and according to Peat coffee acts as thyroid, will increase magnesium retention/utilization. He says thyroid also increases sugar oxidation. Adding white sugar to coffee that strong then has the required nutrients to use it. Combine with coconut oil, which also greatly enhances sugar oxidation. I think he recommends a teaspoon at a time. Having sufficient salt will also help this process and the production of carbon dioxide.
Marmalade is recommended too, especially from seville oranges. Strong anti-estrogen, anti-histamine, anti excessive nitric oxide.
Starches not highly recommended, as they tend towards persorption, can increase endotoxin; consuming with saturated fats helps counter this. White rice and potatoes are the best if starches are to be consumed. I think he also consumes turnips and squash too.
According to Peat 20grams of potatoe proteins= about 36 grams of dairy protein. The keto acids help lower ammonia too and increase the utilization of protein. Honey is recommended, it is a staple carbohydrate of an established society.
Peat also consumes nixtamalized corn, this process increases the calcium and niacin in the corn. The only thing I don't understand with this is it appears very high in pufa which is not consistent with his other views, unless he consumes very little of it. I know he recommends coconut oil to counter pufa and usage of vitamin e too.
Thanks for having Georgi on and your prior interview with Ray Peat.
I love milk...grew up on it...use it for my kefir, tea and drinking...im never ill...love it...it seems every corner you turn...food good...food bad ...dont eat this ..yes eat that...i say trust in Jesus and eat what works for you...👍...love cheese also...
Basically every single food is a "no" in some diet sphere 😂
@@StrongSistas yip😨
Do you eat and drink grocery store cheese and milk or have you found local raw products. I would love to know where to get good quality dairy. I live in Iowa so it shouldn’t be difficult but it is.
I love Bailey's.
Where can I find the thyroid supplement he talks about often? I absolutely love these talks!
You two were kicking some real beneficial knowledge! Thank you both. I appreciate all the learning. I've been eating organic sauerkraut that has not been pasteurized
How did it come to this? Having to defend sugar? A balanced diet which includes some sugar is perfectly healthy. It provides energy and is easy to digest.
If Milk is a perfect food, why don't we try and mimic those macros? Milk is around 25/25/50 carbs/protein/fat, respectively.
Something I've been thinking about also. But humans milk is less protein and more sugar, although high fat also.
Milk drives hyperphagy for infant growth
Around 60-33-7 carb-fat-protein in human milk. Protein is quite low but it is of the highest quality and other factors in milk assist its assimilation, including its high carb ratio, so for adults a bit higher is probably good. Fat is fairly high but not a problem due to the baby's high metabolic rate. As we get older pufa is accumulated into our fatty tissue. You need to take into consideration that you can't just replace one type of carb/protein/fat for another and expect same effects.
One, milk has different composition at different times in a newborn's life. Two, there is no inherent reason to think that a growing newborn's macros are optimal for an adult.
I seem to do okay with orange juice or coke or water-ice but become extremely ill and fatigued and inflamed from starch like potatoes or rice. Anyone with similar experience?
I could probably live off greek yogurt and cottage cheese, i love it so much
makes for some pretty great fruit bowls as the base
This is a great series, I hope it will have many seasons.
thank you! I hope he would be willing to come back on.
I hope so forever.
Georgie and Danny are Peats living legacy imo
Can barely hear Georgi. Please check levels when recording. Thanks for these interviews!
After a couple of months of being a carnivore-ish my 10 year old lactose intolerance seems to have disappeared, please shed some light.
If you are doing well with carnivore then stay with it, or else you’ll be down to Rabbit hole of supplements and you’ll be ordering Georgi’s supplements he’s one of the best Supplement Salesman out there he even live in supplement warehouse sometimes, and you can see it on this video.
Carnivore leads to insulin resistance. Don't keep it up
Hi, Great 3 part critisim series. I have a few comments that weren't addressed. Apart from lactose intolerance, what about the large number of people who are intolerant/allergic to milk due to the casein protein, some people can tolerate a2 and not a1. Other folks that have Celiac and even non-celiac gluten intolerance experience casein intolerance/allergy due to the mimicking of the very similar protein allergens. There are many people diagnosed with celiac and many more that have it and are not diagnosed. I for one was diagnosed at 50 yrs of age, yet I had been seeing GI Dr's since my early teens. Last yr I was experimenting with raw a2 kefir,but we have moved across the country (Canada)and there are thus far no good sources, impossible to get raw dairy here, which cut my experiment short.
The other question was about addiction. I agree about the high cortisol and low dopamine, but it is not always the cause, yet it is most always associated, and I believe that many addictionS, as you mentioned can relate to past traumas, managing lifestyle stress/circadian biology etc, but a huge missing piece is nutrient deficiencies ( Inc food, water source, light source, esp if long standing) which, will of course, impact all hormones/neurotransmitters, ie cortisol and low dopamine as a result of and not really the cause of addiction. One small example is thiamine deficiency, even if subclinical can lead to obsessive/addictive behaviors. Another is oxalate poisoning which can inhibit our ability to read our own body signals ie satiation, which usually, by way of wasting nutrients can cause very problematic deficiencies. High oxalate burdened people often crave high oxalate foods (until they learn more about the numerous ways oxalates damage the body). And there are many more ways people become addicted. And lactose intolerance is not only the only issue with dairy, which seems to be the focussed issue that comes up.
Thank you for the series, good questions and responses, and genuinely helpful information.
Dude alcohol depletes thiamine. This makes sense.
@@Sarahizahhsum Yes, and there are many other ways to become low in thiamine.
This is fascinating, especially the part about addicts and bipolar disorder. Thank you so so much
Georgi is such a great guy!
Awesome podcast! Georgi looks great!
Thanks for this content. Highly informative. Georgi’s point differentiating cane sugar from HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) is spot on. You’re better off drinking water with cane sugar and juice squeezed from lemon or lime than Soda with all these added ingredients.
I could live on dairy, potatoes, and beef. 🤤
I gave up dairy 2 weeks ago and my psoriasis is definitely getting better. Hopefully when my gut is healed I'll be able to drink it again one day
Try goat milk instead
How is your psoriasis now? Added back dairy? I am struggling still. Cant determine if its dairy or eggs as both are considered INFLAMMATORY but to each his own!
Correct me if I’m wrong but pure fats do not contain any vitamins or minerals, they do however help you absorb them.
Animal fat has Vitamins A, D, E, K2
What about coconut milk? Is it better than almond milk?
There are quite a lot of people who are sensitive to casein, not just lactose or whey, so consuming yoghurt or cheese (concentrated casein) will not help them.
I'm one of those unfortunate ones, who cannot eat fresh cheese, cream etc. no matter how organic they are. We can play around with sheep or goat cheese (contaning A2 casein) or aged cheese (as casein degrades by aging) but only to a small extent.
My body healed so much when I cut out dairy.
OK so if “sugar” is so addictive why don’t people just sit around consuming spoonfuls of white sugar? Does anybody think about this? Literally no one does that and never has. It is not “sugar” that is addictive.
I do it to blunt cortisol and get more carbs since I'm broke, but it isn't addictive though. I can put it down.
Most people you know consume it with flavoring, etc, but you're wrong or lying to say "literally no one does and never has." I have seen (video) and read accounts of non-industrialized people wildly binge when introduced to refined white sugar by outsiders. It's bizarre how a person of Peat's personality attracts people with nearly antithetical ones: they all pass around the same ready-made lines (like your white sugar point, which I have seen multiple times before, which is how I know you follow Peat, even though you might claim no dogmatic behavior) in a condescending fashion, as if they all arrived at Peat's ideas independently. Is it their masterful intellectual independence that also caused the vast majority to hop from/to veg*nism to/from carnivory?
This was fascinating!
I would love to eat dairy...its the casien protein that causes my bloating. I did the Great Plains IGG test & casein & egg white were the only 2 foods I am intolerant of.
I would love to know how to correct this . Please help!🤞
A2 dairy cow products are better tolerated.
Very informative conversation. Thank you!
Relating to the discussion about 15 minutes in: if oxidizing fat is so bad, how are you supposed to lose weight? Looking into stuff like aspirin, B3 etc - they are all touted as anti-lipolytic. Well that is fine and good for a self-described sedentary 85 year old retired professor, not so much for someone looking to lose 30 pounds in as healthy and uninflammatory way as possible.
Thoughts?
Maybe I should add I've been very low PUFA diet for several years now.
Aspirin and B3 enhance fat loss, more! ;-)
Muscles will burn fat at rest
As for calcium supplements, it seems that a peak of calcium found in supplements get deposited in unwanted places in contrast to calcium in foods.
This was a great series. Very informative. Though I never saw a mention of avacado? Is that so bad? Also Kate deering book does not mention either only olive oil as a dressing
occasional avocado is fine, but your getting fat whenever you have a piece of meat, eggs or dairy anyway, so focus shouldnt be on adding more fat to the diet basically.
This was a great episode! Great information with the context!
thank you so much!
I tried whey protein several times. Everytime I got a sore throat and an ear infection.
Whey protein is usually the acidic effluent waste from yogurt making
Rosacea (a skin condition) works exactly like Georgi explained. It clears up when a person is put on antibiotics. And the mechanism is not yet explained and understood apart from probable antinflammatory effect of antibiotics! But here you are. I don't know if it is 100% it. But seems logical.
And understandable that rosacea comes back when antibiotics are stopped.
Thank you for taking the extra step to time stamp the topics
That was cool, loved the story about the “rat park” experiment. This must be a hard study for big phama to accept.
no surprise we all hadn't heard of it before
Does casein block the absorption of zinc?
I love your content but I'd really like to hear Georgi on the reasons why he's been overweight for so long whereas Roddy and Peat are slim.
I think Georgi often mentions that weight is not always a great measure of health and that ironically some who are overweight are more protected from certain diseases, better recovery from certain surgeries, and health issues. Of course, I think that one can hide behind this notion but looks can be very deceiving. I think the speed and sharpness of his mind as well as his energy are good indicators that his metabolism has to be very robust. I have had plenty of average sized patients that actually looked healthy that were not able to ovulate and get pregnant until they gained weight. Obviously, being morbidly obese is undoubtedly not very healthy but I think many stockier humans can still be quite healthy.
My take is that he doesn't want to have to metabolize the PUFAs in his fat stores, and he is probably not overweight to the extent that his weight is a hindrance for moving around/walking and maybe even doing some exercise.
@@ennevudoppioo9763 pufas are mobilized via glucoronidation. Besides, he's also created a drug to accelerate PUFA excretion. And doesn't it take 4 years to get rid of pufa? How long has Georgi been applying Peat principles?
He looks great and not overweight at all!!
@@earthmedicine27 He has a massive double chin.
I had a question on the ongoing debate on dairy. I recently read an article where it was saying that flash pasteurized milk particularly the organic milk uses a much higher temperature for shorter period of time but the proteins get denatured at that high temperature. Where as regular milk. Is pasteurized slower at a lower temperature but means the milk will not last as long on the shelf because all pathogens are not fully eradicated. I've noticed that organic milk shelf life is much longer than the regular milk which is probably because of that reason. I tried some regular milk recently and noticed I was much Fuller on a glass of versus when I drink organic organic milk unfortunately all of them are store-bought. Is there any Credence to flash pasteurization denaturing the milk proteins because of the higher-temperature? It just seems hard to win with any dairy. Raw dairy runs the risk of infections from pathogens. Regular milk has all the hormones and everything else in it pesticides etc. And now possibly organic flash pasteurized has denature proteins?
I don't have any issue with dairy at all and consume Whole Foods 365 organic brand dairy products. Opinions? Also I drink chocolate milk post weight training and use nonfat milk for quick absorption because I eat a regular meal within an hour of that. I see that Kalona doesn't make nonfat milk but I'm considering switching to Kolona regardless for my post weight training chocolate milk. Thoughts? Also, is Wild salmon ok for my weekly fish? I realized that it's higher in PUFAS but.....I wish that everyone in the nutrition space who cites a study would validate it by stating the source and the valid statistical parameters employed in it!
Great series, thank you both for these videos.
In defense of hot dogs, on an ethical level at least they're using as much of the animal as possible.
It's Paul Chek who started off the dairy fear mongering, he states 80% of people are lactose intolerant and pasteurized milk has lost all nutrients but he never cites any evidence and you have to take his word because he is above all.
I think the truth lies with either one (Ray Peat) or somewhere in the middle.
George has great arguments but I have a question? Why is George not the example of a healthy person. He looks inflamed and definitely obese. These are good questions to ask before I decide to listen or take the advise of someone that is not taking his own advice.
I feel the same as you.
Although he may be inflammed, his cognition is very sharp.
And does he have a disorder of hoarding? Just wondering as that is a compulsive problem. Always the boxes in the background!
@@jennywebb8313 do you have judging problem?
"looks inflamed" / that 's insane.. you have no way of knowing anything about his 'inflammation ' status
Nonsense. Just because a person's face is full doesn't mean that he's obese or inflamed. Don't go projecting various health conditions onto people you don't know.
Could you explain the science of living on potatoes? My college roommate in Russia lived on boiled potatoes. She was thin and energetic. I wonder, if she could've gotten nutritionally depleted. However, at 20 years of age, one can thrive on cardboard.
Takes 5 to 7 lbs of potatoes to get enough calories. So, she was thin and energetic because she was in ketosis burning body fat.
@@CarisaWalcott Can you get in ketosis on carbs? I plan to try it for a week.
@@lanael7278 some people can, but not metabolically damaged ppl
The starch in well cooked potatoes is gelatinized and the safest form of starch to consume, perhaps the next best thing to more simple sugars. Potatoes are also nutritionally quite akin to fruits, being high in nutrients, especially potassium and vitamin C. Animal feeding experiments show potatoes having a much better protein content that the amino acid analysis indicates. Potatoes have keto acids that the body can convert amino acids. Potatoes are also essentially void of fat (including PUFA) which means the body will make safe saturated fats as needed. Also the high carbohydrate diet deficient in PUFA will keep the metabolic rate high.
Potatoes have proven to be able to sustain people during a famine. The deficiency that is likely to occur on a potato diet would be that of vitamin B12, which is easy to avoid with some animal protein. The famous Okinawan diet was around 70% purple sweet potatoes, which are in many ways quite similar to potatoes.
@@CarisaWalcott well we don’t really know how much she was eating
OH MY GOD AMAZING AUDIO, I'M SO HAPPY
THANK YOU! Georgi coming in strong with his microphone!
@@StrongSistas yes I sent him an email specifically begging him to use the audio set up he uses with Danny Roddy. The first interview with you was completely ruined because of his terrible audio quality. LOVING the new interviews. Great work sistas!
What about those diabetic cured by low carb diet ? If you carb diet cause insulin resistance why is that possible lot of patients are cured? And it’s well documented.
Ray Peat says eat around 100 grams of protein, how do you do that with mostly milk and cheese and potatoes. ?
Milk
lamb, liver and seafood.
very interesting thank you
thank you!
Where can I get more inforrmation to start Ray Peat's protocol? Like what to eat etc
I make and drink kefir every day.....like plain Greek yoghurt good for gut health....like all fermented foods, they're a good addition to our microbiome.....any thoughts on the good ingredients in ferments ?
honey, unless raw gets heated and loses nutrients so is similar to white sugar
I know raw dairy is best. What are his thoughts on pasteurized and homogenized milk?
Make your own yogurt and ferment it for 24 hours to remove all of the lactose. (SCD/Breaking The Vicious Cycle)
I have not been successful at finding raw dairy so I buy grass feed milk at grocery store. Does pasteurization kill and devoid all good things or is it still beneficial?
Ray peat drink Uht low fat milk
,,🤪🤣🤣 And he still very health
I don't think you need to worry about pasteurized milk. You cook most of your other food don't you? Cooked milk is probably fine. Especially if the nomadic mongols consume a lot of boiled milk tea and are healthy
Would any pure fruit juice do, if you can’t do orange juice because of histamine
Raw dairy can be problematic, sadly.
What I'm hearing is oven baked cheese fries is the best diet
Underrated interview (:
Cottage cheese is so easy to make! I never had an issue with the dairy, because its easy to digest and has very little liquid.
01:05:30 sugar suppresses cortisol
A recent study out of Iowa university said cheese everyday
Lamb at least once a week and wine.
I was watching Tucker Carlson channel 5
What was the Michigan farm you mentioned? I played it back a few times and couldn’t make it out. Thanks!
Plant based milks are around 90% water so yes they're making huge profits on them. They can be made at home for pennies.
Craving sugar, chocolate, etc, is much different than craving a drug/alcohol. Craving drugs/alcohol is suffering not the same level as with sugar, etc. Someone who has not experienced that kind of suffering (craving) will never really understand. One doesn't choose to crave. That being said if you cut out sugar from your diet you will experience withdrawals as you would with caffeine, nicotine, etc. This is a very simplistic example, it's much more complicated than this.
@@inspiringminds7284 thanks for reinforcing my point. I appreciate it.
@@inspiringminds7284 not a brilliant thinker or a video maker. I work in the field of addiction, have for years. If you're truly interested in this stuff check this out, "Pleasure Unwoven." After you do get back to me. I look forward to hearing your thoughts after you've watched it. I actually value what you say because my patients say the same to me every day.
@@inspiringminds7284 again you make my point, " they don't have the ability to regulate their compulsions. It's not just drugs it's other parts of their lives, sex, spending money and the like." That's exactly what I'm saying.
You do contradict yourself though in this last reply. Anyway, if you're truly interested in this stuff watch the video.
As an aside, I don't have to listen to them, its my choice. I feel it's my duty and responsibility.
@@inspiringminds7284 just like the people I care for in my work you're set in your thinking. I stand by exactly what I said. You interpret it as you seem fit. Unfortunately it's scientific fact. One can learn to cope with these things. That's how people change their lives. Again the video explains it way better than through a chat. Possibly you have a concern or you wouldn't be watching these videos.Take care. I wish you well.
Digestive tract. Thanks for your videos!
INTERESTING STUFF SORRY CAPS LOCK ON
The male speaker NEEDS to turn UP his volume. Can't listen anymore..can't listen hard enough to understand what he is trying to say😥😰🤯
Ever hear of a volume control on your computer?
Well what dose lsd did it
What about milk kafir that’s fermented so it should be ok to drink what do you think
my biggest ray peat criticism is how tf am I supposed to remain vascular eating this much sugar man
I think it can be done . Although if over doing calories you’ll quickly get very fat as seen in many ray peaters.
Sugar craving is natural and normal though. What next? Fruit bats are addicts??
lol hey :D
Despite Georgi's obvious brilliance - or at least seemingly obvious brilliance, he is all over the map and not a very good or orderly speaker. He needs to learn to arrive at discernible, to findable major points and summaries, so that the ordinary mortals who are trusting his infinite wisdom, are able to make sense of his rather complicated and meandering insights. This is where the host has served in invaluable purpose, but in her gentle way, she is encouraged to share with him just how confusing he can potentially be.
If you listen to him enough, or any of the other bio-energetic people for that matter, you’ll figure out that there’s a reason you’d think the speech is all over. Turns out chasing down otherwise unexplained pathologies is very nuanced, as well as individualistic biology, all housing these functions differently. There is no one way that people are wanting to hear. It’s worth mentioning that this science is still in its infancy and they truly are coming up with it as they go along in essence. It definitely is hard to follow and thus so many doctors shut this down because its something they cannot explain to their patients let alone themselves. I will say tho, I have never heard any of these guys contradict themselves
He doesn't 'need' to do anything. You don't need to listen to him.
Would be so much more compelling if he looked healthy.
Remember that the vegan influencers in their 20s look healthy! Guess we don't know his health background. I liked the fact that Kate Deering said that she'd been doing the diet for 15 years. It's a good point that we want to see how people are faring. Ray Peat seems to have an incredibly sharp brain for his age. Definitely food for thought.
Natalya kate looks good for being 49
Why? Are you looking for a guru to follow? Is your intellectually capacity so stunted that you can't do critical thinking on scientific research?
I dont think hé looks unhealthy. Hé is a big bear. A lot better than Skinny man.
lol he looks healthy to me. are u gay?
What about glucose/sugar and dental decay and cavities?
Clean your teeth after you eat.
Good luck finding that healthy milk.
So can we really say salmon is bad because of the PUFAS I’ve always thought a paleo (ish) diet which includes fish was healthy and now I’m starting to question this.
Why listen to a guy who is balding, has a double chin and is clearly overweight?
You can have nice hair and perfect figure and be unhealthy.
@@jeanettenejadi1777 That's the exception rather than the rule.
Maybe someone doesn't practice what they preach; maybe they had health issues before learning and putting their knowledge into practice; maybe something else. Or, maybe what he's doing isn't working, and he's wrong. But, it does nobody any good to simply insult someone's appearance (or even personality). Instead of looking to Georgi, or anyone else, as a guru, how about present a counter argument, or listen, but research yourself and make your own choices?
Would be helpful to see reference points in his life before and after applying these principles. Brad Marshall (TCD guy) is still overweight but he was much more overweight before removing PUFAs.
Rude. He's done the research and his own studies.
Is 100% real olive oil recommended oil? It's loaded with monounsaturated fat
i guess its part of the better oils so if you want to use a plant oil thats probably one of them to go for greetings from germany
Mono is neutral.
What about joint pain? I always thought sugar contributed to that...like arthritis in the hands...?
Also, about the food addiction piece. I used to think I did have it, but now, looking back, I realize it is mentality I created myself in trying to do the right thing. I've created an unhealthy relationship with food. Terrible!
listen to your body. you will know when a food is causing issues, Georgi mentioned the need to heed the warning signs.
@@lindabell6954 I just started trying this, and am wondering if some of these issues are my body adjusting? I'm coming from a LCHF/Keto and struggled with emotional binge eating. Maybe I should list pros/cons of what I experience so far...?
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White processed carbohydrates cause this kind of pain.
There faces are so inflamed, like balloons ready to burst.
Wow - that is a perfect example of making an improper judgement based on your visual perception. I is his face shape - in fact - I would hypothesize that the average adult becomes very gaunt in the face and his face has a more youthful look.
Many of us are victims of our location. How far am I supposed to go to get these optimal foods? It shouldn’t be this hard to simply EAT. Love Georgie, but a person could become fairly crazy trying to initiate all he talks about. Frankly, he’s a little too glib about EVERYTHING. So I’m a tiny bit suspicious. Sorry.
avoid oil/fat/protein
01:05:40 high carb low fat will kee your cortisol in check
Interesting interview. But Wild
Caught salmon isn’t healthy because it has high levels of PUFA’s? News to me….maybe we should tell the Japanese that
Filming out of a warehouse
Can't spend too much time in the house right now :( will get this fixed soon!
Georgi seems to be in a warehouse too. Perhaps warehouses are the way to go?
@@cjrogers9060 heehee 😆
@@cjrogers9060 Georgi is always in warehouse he’s a Supplement Salesman, that’s his livelihood but he got a small office now.
Yes a pleasant change
Peat has said he drinks cheap non- organic supermarket milk, so I wonder how much difference there really is from cows being stressed, etc. I haven't noticed significant differences personally between brands.
thats sad dude, i have acess do whole milk direct from the farmer it tastes a lot better than cheap supermarket milk, ironically the price is also cheaper
Especially if it's low fat, it's hardly any different.
@@ninguemjao1519 I don't think it's sad. Drinking low fat milk is a choice and a factor.
There's a world of difference
1:05:50
You guys were so cool but then you joined the Ray Peat cult.
Dairy cow farts😂😂😂
low carb leads to insulin resistance , yea thats BS
How do you know?. Did you find a study?