If god is perfect, then god cannot “need” anything because a perfect being cannot lack anything. If god “wants” worship that god does not “need,” then god desires something that is not required. Therefore, if god conditions human salvation upon worship that god desires but does not need, then god prioritizes god’s desire for worship above human salvation. And if god prioritizes god’s unnecessary desire for worship over human beings avoiding damnation, then god cannot be omni-benevolent.
I’m glad someone told you over donation. In the live chat the speed of scrolling was killing us. On YT there’s a setting that can be turned on which slows the speed at which the comments are progressing. I think it’s pretty important you employ this property. Hail Doug!
@@Deconstruction_Zone IMO, they are still fine, but if you apply slow-mode, it forces people to wait an interval before they can comment again. It makes discourse nearly impossible if you have to wait 60-90 seconds between comments and obviously you can only hold one conversation at a time if you are forced to engage in intervals. I agree that slow mode can become necessary if the viewership and engagement get too high, but the comments really aren’t moving that fast right now.
I feel bad for the guy at around 50 minutes, he's clearly honestly responding, and moral enough to genuinely want good things and he's NEVER had to actually read this book, just "artcles" about it. If only all theists were honest and moral enough to engage like this we'd have a whole lot less religion.
"Everytime I look at you I don't understand, why you let the things you did get so out of hand, you'd have managed better if you had it planned, now why'd you choose such a backward time in such a strange land? If you'd come today you could have reached the whole nation, Israel in 4 B.C. had no mass communication, don't ya' get me wrong, don't ya' get me wrong, don't you get me wrong!! Only wanna know, only wanna know, only wanna know, I only wanna know!! Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ, who are you, what have you sacrificed"🎵 🎶 🎵 🎶 🤣!! "Jesus Christ Superstar" 1973 motion picture. GOAT!! ✌️.
As a former fundamentalist I can honestly say that the OT god is so repulsive that I can't believe I didn't see it. Thanks for your insight and channel 🙏
It’s wild how callers consistently don’t know what “worship” or “why” means. They keep equivocating worship with desire and it’s so plainly nonsense that I find it hard to believe they really think enjoying music is the same as worship.
I know youve been solo lately, loving it btw, but it would be freat to eventually get chapters for each extended call so you can skip certain ones easily. Just a suggestion. Thanks for all the work you do.
For example is prior video Zachariah Jesus not fulfilling the prophecy. I studied it and there’s actually two parts of prophecy in the Old Testament and now looking back it’s pretty refutable
I’ll give you another example when he strengthen my faith this guy had to lie and be such a deceiver that he went to the book of Job and sort out a verse that says that the Earth is flat somehow saying that the end of the Earth and that the Earth had a skirt there by making them believe that the Earth is flat from the Bible, but that’s just figurative language 😂😂😂😂
@@Fjdhd-vz2lh, so when do you know whether something is figurative or literal? It sounds to me like when you find something that doesn't adhere to reality, it's figurative, but when it's something you can agree with, it's literall.
@@Fjdhd-vz2lh, you're looking back, seeing that the prophecy didn't come true, and then trying to create a scenario where it can possibly be true. You're changing the story to suit the facts.
I've clearly never read the bible, I can't even blow my own nose, but I don't agree with the evidence you've presented (and i even read along with you) cos I'm a christian!!😂
The hypocrisy and arrogance of any worshipper of the Biblical god is off-the-scale when they challenge an atheist's morality. That monster is the most immoral, unjust being you could imagine!
@@tomahadel I have much more fun "believing" 688 million Goddesses "accidentally" fa---d the universe into existence than any 😨 fear mongering the Bible offers. ✌️.
If I worship basketball, then do I get punished if I stop? Do parents expect their kids to worship them? And if they don’t then do we punish them for it? No one will say going to prison is a sacrifice. You go to jail as a payment, not a flipping sacrifice. Jeffery went to jail as a form of payment and no one (sane) will say he went there as a sacrifice. Jesus flipping christ.
Philosophy annoys me at this point because they debate endlessly without getting anything done. If there was an end of the world scenario, philosophers would be the first to go.
Yup. Every philosophy debate I've ever had just end with them not able to finish their script and them being upset that I won't agree to transcendentals existing or that time isn't infinite.
"Tell me what you think about your friends at the top. Who'd you think besides yourself was the pick of the crop? Buddha was he where it's at? Is he where you are? Could Muhammed move a mountain? Or was that just P.R.? Did you mean to die like that? Was that a mistake? Or did you know your message? It would be a RECORD BREAKER!! Don't ya get me wrong, don't ya get me wrong, don't ya get me wrong, don't ya get me wrong, only wanna know, only wanna know, only wanna know, only wanna know. I only wanna know! Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ, who are you? what have you sacrificed"? 🎵 🎶 🎵 🎶 "Jesus Christ Superstar" 1973 motion picture. GOAT 😊 ✌️ 🕊️.
Thnx was waiting for the next video 😁. Like u I think energy is eternal but my bro just calls that God. I used the creation time argument and he agreed on all premises then had meltdown like your callers. he think there's is God energy above it but when I say energy can't be created or destroyed and we found the powerful energy he's describing so why is extra god energy needed or why call it god when we have the name energy. He just presuposes consciousness. Says we can't interact with god kos he's somhow outside of time n space but also jumps into time to interact and create demons lmao 😅. He steals from panthiesm and pretends he's not religious while stealing all there crap arguments. God is energy but also has all the thiestic properties but when challenged pretends he doesnt say this . I admire your patience kos honestly it's like thier brain is protecting itself and they don't want to use logic. Cognitive disonance is wild.
@@Deconstruction_Zone Thanks for claiming I implied something I never said. It’s funny because I was just about to reply “You’d never debate me either”, but you responded with ignorance too quickly. Thanks for letting me know you’re too unintelligent to not pull a straw man in your very first interaction with someone. Sam is more well-versed in scripture than I am, and he would be a better debate. I would pay to see him destroy you! You won’t message him though and ask, just act ignorant in a comment section!
@@Deconstruction_Zone He can give life and take life. He created it. It’s like you as a 3d human drawing a pencil sketch of a 2d person on a piece of paper and deciding to erase it. Except, rather than the picture getting completely erased from existence forever and ceasing to exist like YOU believe, their soul continues on and received perfect justice. A concept you reject, because you believe all evil committed on earth is meaningless and will never be justly punished. God taking someone’s life only seems evil to you because you think this 3d world/reality is all there is! 😭😭🤣🤣🤣😭🫵🤦♂️. Of course you’d think God taking life is wrong, you don’t think life and consciousness simply continues in one of two places after death in the physical! No wonder. You don’t understand that perfect justice is served for each and every individual soul and human being once their soul exits their body and moves into eternity. You have no faith! You don’t believe God is good! You don’t even believe there is a God! (But deeeeeep down, you do). Only a fool says in his heart “there is no God”. God takes life all the time, from believers, and from non believers. For the believer, they will end up receiving exactly what they deserve to receive. And for the un believer, they too will receive exactly what they deserve to receive. It’s called perfect justice and accountability for your actions in this life. Something you don’t believe. You’d rather believe that all of the ACTUAL evil people on earth just get off Scott free when they die, and it all goes black! Aka, NO JUST JUDGEMENT FOR EVIL. What you can’t get through your brain or seem to accept, is that because GOD IS GOOD, JUSTICE is served in the most perfect sense for EVERYONE, and NOBODY gets ripped off.
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"He went to 🛏️ bed, and bumped his head, and couldn't get up in the morning"🎵 🎶 🤣 ✌️.
I miss the Christmas sweaters 😭. Another great live Justin
If god is perfect, then god cannot “need” anything because a perfect being cannot lack anything.
If god “wants” worship that god does not “need,” then god desires something that is not required.
Therefore, if god conditions human salvation upon worship that god desires but does not need, then god prioritizes god’s desire for worship above human salvation. And if god prioritizes god’s unnecessary desire for worship over human beings avoiding damnation, then god cannot be omni-benevolent.
He's a narcissist, not good
Bible god is a NEEDY baby.
How many people have you met in person, that "REJECTED" you because you didn't have "faith" they existed prior? 🤔 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣!! I CAN'T!!
I’m glad someone told you over donation. In the live chat the speed of scrolling was killing us.
On YT there’s a setting that can be turned on which slows the speed at which the comments are progressing.
I think it’s pretty important you employ this property.
Hail Doug!
I had no idea. I can make the comments change speed?? I thought they just scrolled at the speed by which new comments were coming through
Do they need to be faster or slower?
@@Deconstruction_Zone
IMO, they are still fine, but if you apply slow-mode, it forces people to wait an interval before they can comment again. It makes discourse nearly impossible if you have to wait 60-90 seconds between comments and obviously you can only hold one conversation at a time if you are forced to engage in intervals.
I agree that slow mode can become necessary if the viewership and engagement get too high, but the comments really aren’t moving that fast right now.
I feel bad for the guy at around 50 minutes, he's clearly honestly responding, and moral enough to genuinely want good things and he's NEVER had to actually read this book, just "artcles" about it. If only all theists were honest and moral enough to engage like this we'd have a whole lot less religion.
Yup
"Everytime I look at you I don't understand, why you let the things you did get so out of hand, you'd have managed better if you had it planned, now why'd you choose such a backward time in such a strange land? If you'd come today you could have reached the whole nation, Israel in 4 B.C. had no mass communication, don't ya' get me wrong, don't ya' get me wrong, don't you get me wrong!! Only wanna know, only wanna know, only wanna know, I only wanna know!! Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ, who are you, what have you sacrificed"🎵 🎶 🎵 🎶 🤣!! "Jesus Christ Superstar" 1973 motion picture. GOAT!! ✌️.
🙏 pray for me. I have insomnia. 😴 💤 🤣.
My favorite musical...the soundtrack rocks!
@@northernbrother1258 You and me both!! I think I was the only 7 year old in the world who considered it the best movie ever made. ✌️.
I saw it in the theater with my mom when it released ...
Can you please share if you had any experience with losing friends and family due to your deconstruction and how you dealt with it?
you always will if they are not deconstructing themselves ....
As a former fundamentalist I can honestly say that the OT god is so repulsive that I can't believe I didn't see it. Thanks for your insight and channel 🙏
Yea I feel the same. It's weird to think that I once stood up for this punk. Thanks for watching friend!
And if you believe in the trinity then the ot god is sweet hippy Jesus. It makes no sense.
YAHWEH needs you like the people who didn't survive the flood!!! The people who survived the flood WANTED to be righteous!!!
It’s wild how callers consistently don’t know what “worship” or “why” means. They keep equivocating worship with desire and it’s so plainly nonsense that I find it hard to believe they really think enjoying music is the same as worship.
What is Geren’s channel???
Well this got off to an insane start.
The "Listening to you strengthens my faith" BS will take him only so far before he breaks...he's trying hard to keep believing. Good job.
It's a contradiction for something perfect to require worship!!
God "NEEDS" worship cause he'd be "LOST" without it!! 🤔 🤣 🤣.
I know youve been solo lately, loving it btw, but it would be freat to eventually get chapters for each extended call so you can skip certain ones easily. Just a suggestion. Thanks for all the work you do.
@43:12 Listening to Justin actually STRENGTHENED his faith? How is that possible? Please help me understand.
Well, it’s strength in my faith because I searched up his claims and I studied them and this guy is talking but load of crap
For example is prior video Zachariah Jesus not fulfilling the prophecy. I studied it and there’s actually two parts of prophecy in the Old Testament and now looking back it’s pretty refutable
I’ll give you another example when he strengthen my faith this guy had to lie and be such a deceiver that he went to the book of Job and sort out a verse that says that the Earth is flat somehow saying that the end of the Earth and that the Earth had a skirt there by making them believe that the Earth is flat from the Bible, but that’s just figurative language 😂😂😂😂
@@Fjdhd-vz2lh, so when do you know whether something is figurative or literal?
It sounds to me like when you find something that doesn't adhere to reality, it's figurative, but when it's something you can agree with, it's literall.
@@Fjdhd-vz2lh, you're looking back, seeing that the prophecy didn't come true, and then trying to create a scenario where it can possibly be true.
You're changing the story to suit the facts.
What did you do to make the animation in the background. It's so cool
I've clearly never read the bible, I can't even blow my own nose, but I don't agree with the evidence you've presented (and i even read along with you) cos I'm a christian!!😂
@@porkyboy4226 You made me laugh so hard, Orange drink came out my nose!! 🤣.
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@Deconstruction_Zone I'll have you know, you made me laugh so hard in response to that "born again" that Orange drink came out my nose!
What is it with Christians and lisps?
The hypocrisy and arrogance of any worshipper of the Biblical god is off-the-scale when they challenge an atheist's morality.
That monster is the most immoral, unjust being you could imagine!
If a god exists, he would "choose" "chaos theory" as it would "excuse" all the "evil" he "allowed" 🤣!!
In my opinion that creator or creators of this earth are psychopaths and this is a prison planet, that would explain everything in life.
@@tomahadel Your logic is sound.
@@tomahadel I have much more fun "believing" 688 million Goddesses "accidentally" fa---d the universe into existence than any 😨 fear mongering the Bible offers. ✌️.
Godhead/Logos is symbolic of Unity. Worship or Adoration for the single point of Unity/Oneness means we aspire to this.
Word salad
Logos as a Greek philosophical concept which it originated as has nothing to do with the Christian God or “godhead” whatever that even means.
I love that a person of your intelligence struggles with Live technology:)
Facebook live is streaming is a horror show
Haha yeah, you need a ten year old to sort it out. That's who I ask.
How about just the theology of Jesus compared to that of Paul? Both in NT. But irreconcilably contradictory.
If I worship basketball, then do I get punished if I stop? Do parents expect their kids to worship them? And if they don’t then do we punish them for it?
No one will say going to prison is a sacrifice. You go to jail as a payment, not a flipping sacrifice. Jeffery went to jail as a form of payment and no one (sane) will say he went there as a sacrifice.
Jesus flipping christ.
Philosophy annoys me at this point because they debate endlessly without getting anything done. If there was an end of the world scenario, philosophers would be the first to go.
Yup. Every philosophy debate I've ever had just end with them not able to finish their script and them being upset that I won't agree to transcendentals existing or that time isn't infinite.
Why does god have 6 fingers on both hands. 😱
"Tell me what you think about your friends at the top. Who'd you think besides yourself was the pick of the crop? Buddha was he where it's at? Is he where you are? Could Muhammed move a mountain? Or was that just P.R.? Did you mean to die like that? Was that a mistake? Or did you know your message? It would be a RECORD BREAKER!! Don't ya get me wrong, don't ya get me wrong, don't ya get me wrong, don't ya get me wrong, only wanna know, only wanna know, only wanna know, only wanna know. I only wanna know! Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ, who are you? what have you sacrificed"? 🎵 🎶 🎵 🎶 "Jesus Christ Superstar" 1973 motion picture. GOAT 😊 ✌️ 🕊️.
Thnx was waiting for the next video 😁. Like u I think energy is eternal but my bro just calls that God. I used the creation time argument and he agreed on all premises then had meltdown like your callers. he think there's is God energy above it but when I say energy can't be created or destroyed and we found the powerful energy he's describing so why is extra god energy needed or why call it god when we have the name energy. He just presuposes consciousness. Says we can't interact with god kos he's somhow outside of time n space but also jumps into time to interact and create demons lmao 😅. He steals from panthiesm and pretends he's not religious while stealing all there crap arguments.
God is energy but also has all the thiestic properties but when challenged pretends he doesnt say this . I admire your patience kos honestly it's like thier brain is protecting itself and they don't want to use logic. Cognitive disonance is wild.
You're right, they don't WANT to use logic. They are unwilling to think critically about god.
What was that first guest even on about smh.
The potty, obviously!
Guy that doesn't want to be pinned down
'Who's Herodotus?' 🤦♂
@@321bytor Herodotus was "King Herod" in the 1973 rock and roll motion picture "Jesus Christ Superstar" It's free on UA-cam. 😊 ✌️
😂@@MarkMiller-gt5tu
@@MarkMiller-gt5tu that musical is DANGEROUS !!! I cant get the freaking songs out of my head !!!
;p
@bootskanchelsis3337 You have dangerously good taste!! 🤣. Happy 🎊New Year!!
Just stumbled upon this account and wow this is a bunch of children. Look at these comments bro. Absolute ignorance
That was quite childish, not explaining what you mean.
the god of the bible is the monster bub.
Agreed. Too many ignorant Christians
You would NEVER debate Sam Shamoun.
Nobody with any dignity would debate that blowhard. He just insults people and shouts them down.
Any day of the week
Yes I would. Thanks for letting me know you're too unintelligent to do it yourself though 👍
@@Deconstruction_ZonePreach it brother, Preach it!! 🤣 ✌️.
@@Deconstruction_Zone Thanks for claiming I implied something I never said. It’s funny because I was just about to reply “You’d never debate me either”, but you responded with ignorance too quickly. Thanks for letting me know you’re too unintelligent to not pull a straw man in your very first interaction with someone. Sam is more well-versed in scripture than I am, and he would be a better debate. I would pay to see him destroy you! You won’t message him though and ask, just act ignorant in a comment section!
Lord forgive this host.
From what? Using his "God Given" 🧠?😊.
Your pathetic god is the one that needs to be forgiven.. That fcker kills babies
@@Deconstruction_Zonedebate me lil bro
@@Deconstruction_Zone He can give life and take life. He created it. It’s like you as a 3d human drawing a pencil sketch of a 2d person on a piece of paper and deciding to erase it. Except, rather than the picture getting completely erased from existence forever and ceasing to exist like YOU believe, their soul continues on and received perfect justice. A concept you reject, because you believe all evil committed on earth is meaningless and will never be justly punished.
God taking someone’s life only seems evil to you because you think this 3d world/reality is all there is! 😭😭🤣🤣🤣😭🫵🤦♂️. Of course you’d think God taking life is wrong, you don’t think life and consciousness simply continues in one of two places after death in the physical! No wonder. You don’t understand that perfect justice is served for each and every individual soul and human being once their soul exits their body and moves into eternity. You have no faith! You don’t believe God is good! You don’t even believe there is a God! (But deeeeeep down, you do). Only a fool says in his heart “there is no God”.
God takes life all the time, from believers, and from non believers. For the believer, they will end up receiving exactly what they deserve to receive. And for the un believer, they too will receive exactly what they deserve to receive. It’s called perfect justice and accountability for your actions in this life. Something you don’t believe. You’d rather believe that all of the ACTUAL evil people on earth just get off Scott free when they die, and it all goes black! Aka, NO JUST JUDGEMENT FOR EVIL. What you can’t get through your brain or seem to accept, is that because GOD IS GOOD, JUSTICE is served in the most perfect sense for EVERYONE, and NOBODY gets ripped off.
For saying things selfish people don't want him to say?
TIL: worship is giving sacrifices. So, I was never worshiping “devil music” or my hobbies. 🫠