Jim Cornette on If Jerry Lawler Went To WCW Instead Of WWE
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- From Episode 356 of the Jim Cornette Experience
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"When people get drunk, they see snakes. When I get drunk I see Jake Roberts" - Jerry Lawler
"I'm going to do you all a favor, I'm gonna knock Jake down horizontal so you'll recognize him. Ha ha ha ha ha."
LOLOLOL
King was savage back then
“Hey, I heard Jake Roberts stop drinking and driving,he was too afraid of spilling his drink.”
-Jerry “The King” Lawler
If Jake Roberts keeps breathing on me I'm going to catch on fire-Jerry Lawler
"Stu Harts so old he remembers when the dead sea was just sick"
Spartacus was Stu's favorite athlete as a child
Lawler was fucking GOLD in those days.
All of his Hart Family material was just fucking fantastic from start to finish.
@@ELPRES1DENTE45 Absolutely.
That feud had just begun when I first started watching wrestling as a kid, even tho he got so much emotion out of me as a gullible kid, he was still so goddamn funny, rewatching those clips it's still hilarious lmao
I literally just watched that two days ago
Jerry Lawler to Ahmed Johnson, "When you got your letter in football, the coach had to read it to ya."
Hahahahaha when did he say that?!!!
@@nostalgiaman6816 I believe it was the famous In Your House were Bret bladed in his title match against Bulldog. He said it to Ahmed in a post match interview after Johnson squashed Buddy Landell who was subbing for the injured Dean Douglas.
He stole that from Cornette who used that on the Steiners
If he said that now he’d be fired
@@michaelrood2751 Probably, or eviscerated on Twitter. Remember the things King has said to Goldust back in 1997?
“Trish Stratus is my kind of woman. She can speak 3 different languages and can’t say no in anyone of them”
Wow 🤐
Mr. Lawler, your OOF is ready
Lmao classic
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@ForEterniait was a joke bro calm down…. Lawler only likes 13 year old girls not full grown women such as Stratus (p.s. I know that’s fucked, but it’s the truth)
it's fucking astounding to me that looking back people took wrestling so seriously that somebody could actually get fucking hurt by a fan just by being a great heel
Guys made enough money to buy homes touring small towns. And then they went on tv and admitted it was fake and now it’s a niche sport
Both Jim's and Brian's memories for dates and who fought who never ceases to amaze me.
It's really what I listen for, two people who really know their stuff. Brian has really grown on me. Glad Mr. Cornette found a worthy co-host.
“Sex on TV is OK, unless you fall off!” - Jerry Lawler
Lawler commentary on bob backland “He so sane, he can go into a round room and find a corner “
“I wonder if Stu and Helen had any kids that lived” I don’t know why but that always cracked me up. Lawyer had a lot of one liners but God that made me laugh as a kid.
Stu and Helen actually liked the jokes he told about them.
@@vincesmith2499 I wouldn’t doubt it. Wrestling people have a darker sense of humor that most
The funniest Lawler piece to me is when Stone Cold punted his crown into the crowd. Lawler asked “What did he do,” as if he didn’t see it. JR told him and Lawler in that high pitch said “He did WHAT?!?!?!” Still has me rolling today.
@the hitman sometime in 97
Oh how I miss the days of Lance Russell and Dave Brown on Saturdays. Anytime we heard “The King will be in action next Wednesday night at the Evansville Colosseum...” it was time to offer to do extra chores for ticket money and a trip across the river to Indiana. I know what Mr Cornette means about that strap drop. The crowd was already going nuts when he almost beat the Miz in a TLC match for the WWE Championship with CM Punk doing commentary. I was a kid again almost screaming for a lil Memphis Fireball. But I knew he wasn’t going to win when that strap never came down from his shoulder.
" your the biggest nothing since the invention of the zero " - Lawler
*you're
@@igorivanov299 Gottem.
@@igorivanov299 Rudolf Hess. First grammar nazi. Mein Kampf
That is an amazing line
To be fair, Jerry Lawler came close to coming to WCW around 1991, but it was leaked by Paul Heyman and the plan was abandoned and Heyman was suspended and removed from the announce team. I believe the plan was to hold a tournament for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship on November 11, 1991 at the Mid-South Coliseum in Memphis, where Lawler would win the tournament and the title, then he would challenge Lex Luger to a unification match for both the NWA and WCW World Heavyweight Championships.
That would have probably changed history.
A renewed vendetta with Rick Rude under the management of Paul Heyman would've been quite intriguing for various reasons. Jerry Lawler vs. Rick Steamboat would've been terrific Box Office where both brought out the very best in each other.B.W.
Rubbing my hands at a potential Lawler/Steamboat feud in '92-93. WCW was gold pre-Hogan if you ask me.
@@Hizzoner21 I agree!
So 1977 then? Georgia Championship Wrestling was a predecessor to WCW. And Hulk Hogan (as Sterling Golden) appeared there and in Tampa for CWF as well. The real crying shame is when Crockett more or less muscled in on Georgia and cashiered Gordon Solie. The Dean Himself calling the early sadistic rise of The Four Horsemen? Mercy! Incidentally he would've also called both "Big Turns" by Ole Anderson against Dusty Rhodes in 1980 and in 1986. Putting the perfect storyline Bookends together no less.😎🐴🖐B.W.
@@Hizzoner21 yes!!! I agree. A lot of people bury pre-Hulk Hogan/NWO WCW. WCW from 1989- early 1994 was the best era of WCW
It was not so " big stage & bright lights". WCW during thst time was tring to compete with the WWF/E. It was a true alternative from what the other entertainment based promotion owned by Vince McMahon.
The Monday Night Wars (WCW vs. WWF/E to also include ECW Crash TV) pretty much drained the well dry and contaminated everything else.
Look at it this way. Which would you rather watch?
(1) Vintage Memphis Wrestling/CWA or CZW?
(2)Vintage Portland Wrestling or PWG?
(3) Vintage WCCW & USWA or Impact Wrestling?
(4) Vintage UWF(Bill Watts Version) or MLW?
(5) Vintage AWA or ROH?
(6) Vintage Georgia Championship Wrestling & Championship Wrestling from Florida or AEW?
MidAmerica circa 1978 to 1981 which predates most companies going back to The Welch Family in The Thirties.B.W.
In 1993 WCW, had Lawler been brought in as a heel, I think it would have been interesting to see Lawler work against babyfaces such as Ricky Steamboat and Dustin Rhodes.
Lawler vs Flair in 93/94(Flair’s Joe Montana run) would have been gold.
I gave this a like just for knowing Joe Montana's final two years were '93/94. 🤘🤘🤘
@@DolFan316 God, it just always felt like Joe Montana was glass on that Chiefs team... Extremely high performing glass for it’s age/wear & tear, but just always worrying any hit would just finish him off and doom the team from the hope his signing brought to it.
@@sega32xxx14 Still the only time Marty Schottenheimer won 2 playoff games in one postseason was when he had Montana. That's a HOF accomplishment in and of itself. Not even joking.
@@DolFan316 This comment should have more likes than the actual podcast post.
thats actually a good mentioning jim. lawler vs bruno would have been fantastic. lawler as the hated southern heel being in ny. bruno the loved italian champ or not of nyc. lawler could pull out every trick in the book verbally or whatnot against bruno kind of like andy kaufman did making fun of the south, lawler could make fun of ppl in nyc.
The real question is who would’ve taken a dump in Lawler’s crown in WCW?
Almost forgot about that when he got to the wwf. LoL
Mean Mark Callous would have
Xpac again
@@igorivanov299 Not his style. Rude, possibly. I could see Scott Steiner, as he had worked Memphis, before coming in WCW.
Austin was there and wasn't exactly fond of his memphis payoffs so...
When Lawler worked with Kerry, he was the heel in Texas and Kerry was the heel in Memphis. They would shoot specific interviews for each territory.
Lawler vs Steamboat could’ve main evented for months on end in 93.
I agree
Oh yeah you had Regal Orndorff Dustin Rhodes Eaton Flair Arn he could've had some great matches
Lawler was one of the best in ring workers I've ever seen. Not flashy but his Ring psychology was brilliant. And his promos were fantastic!
@Ray Robinson Vadar was a really good worker.
King Lawler was the best heel color commentators of all time. King Lawler by his own admission admitted that he was not the nest technical wrestler.
Idk what you watched but his in ring work was the worst part of his game and it was WEAK
@@mikescott8903 everyone is entitled to their views. I respect everyone's opinion. Don't have to agree.
@@shanebush2751 no there not. What fantasy land are you from. It was WEAK
I’ll disagree with Corny, in a Southern territory Lawler could have gone over as a face in WCW, but they didn’t do it before, it would have worked in WCW
I always wondered how Stan Lane ended up in the WWF, as an announcer.
Fuck wish we had a time machine so someone could tell King to go to WCW instead of the WWE.
My favorite Jerry Lawler's line "Puppies!"
Can’t do that anymore lol damn pg era
Vince McMahon came up with that
It’s sexist and just wrong to objectify women like he did. He was very sexist.
@@drewrayford144 you serious?
@@drewrayford144 blame mcmahon. Lawler was a character
Larry in WCW was basically what Jerry was in WWE
If WCW got Lawler a year or two earlier. Lawler could have come in as face to take on the Dangerous Alliance. That actually would have been pretty good
I could imagine Jerry "The King' Lawler & " The American Dream" Dusty Rhodes doing play-by-play together on WCW Saturday Night in 1993.
Just wondering.. For those who remember the Lawler vs Hart angle, did you enjoy it back then?
Patrick Doucette yes
Yes I liked it very much. Wanted to see him get beat up :) he was bad in wrestling byt he was good at Talking and ring psychology. There match at summerslam 93 was good
Him mocking Stu and Helen still makes me laugh,
Yes. I loved to hate him and it drove me banana how much Bret had trouble with him. And by Crom, it kept me tuning in.
I loved the Lawler/Hart feud although I was less enthusiastic about the Bret Hart vs Lawler’s Dentist angle.
Would have liked to have seen Babyface Lawler vs Heel Backlund.
Lawler went to Grorgia as well. Roddy "is this a rib? Has he ever seen a weight bench?"
Lawler was 44 when he started in WWE, how he had some country miles on him, Lawler always looked like he was in his late 50's even in the 70's/80's
He simultaneously looked old and young. 🤣😂
Ummm.....no.
When Lawler was in Dallas, he told the crowd that someone need to get the 11kids playing at texas stadium............they are beating the Cowboys 21 to nothing ....ha ha.
Jerry Lawler is forever one of the greatest because he had it ALL and did it ALL. And he’s still going strong.
You measure greatness to what you can remember 20 years later. The Lawler feuds with the Hart's is A1! I remember him being carried out on a stretcher and Owen dropping a elbow on him as he's being carted away.
Lawler looked like he hadn't hardly aged in nearly 2 decades in the Andy Kaufman bio-pic. Putting him in the ring sometimes in the early to mid 90's made total sense.
King vs. Vader is one match I never thought of. Leon would've have smacked him around, but once King laid in a few spuds of his own, Vader would have loosened up and they would have had some great matches.
Vader was a fake tough guy. He cried against HBK for Christs sake.
@@quickcar5255 Only because Shawn had political power over him and knew he could have Vince fire or bury him
This is a really good question. I have never thought this since Jerry Lawler is so synonymous with WWE commentary now.
Lawler was perfect where he was & went - announcing - aka "color commentating".
"What Ifs" on this topic is fine, understandable, & kinda fun to pontificate - yet ludicrous considering the exceptional product we got w/Lawler...& JR of course!
I've watched and cheered for Lawler ever since his debut. One of his early matches was a hair match. If he lost, Sam Bass would lose his hair. Lawler lost and kept trying to sit in the chair so his head would get shaved instead of Sam Bass. Respect.
Seriously, could one imagine in the Classic Boston Garden Lawler v. Sammartino sheesh, that would have held the Boston Garden Record for Pro Wrestling in that arena. Also, I could hear the promos that Lawler would have done on that Boston Crowd about the Celtics, how the University of Tennessee Basketball, makes the Celtics like an after school Third Grade Club.
I never got to see Lawler as a wrestler (started watching in 1999). But always found him great with JR, sounds like a huge wrestler in his day
The call him The King for a reason. You can watch him against Steen if you want a quick idea of how Lawler can work.
@@RandalfElVikingo thank you I will do. Seems like a bit of a legend based on what Corny says, but never sat down and actually just watched his stuff. Will check some out!
@@JK-hu4lu I actually have not seen a lot of Lawler, but he is a great worker, to the point he was close at getting the WWE championship in 2011 lol.
His Kauffman stuff is must see if you are into storytelling.
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Lawler has been in the business for 50 years, debuted in 1970. Lawler got The nickname King from his feud with his Trainer and mentor, Jackie Fargo. Lawler has faced many legends. He defeated Hulk Hogan, he faced Andre the Giant, Harley Race, Nick Bolwinkle, Terry Funk, Ric Flair. The list goes on and on. Lawler was a mainstay in Memphis wrestler. He also co ran the territory. Lawler is Memphis Wrestling.
Lawlers beard was in the Rebel Alliance
Great call part deux: NO ONE in the business was better at facial expressions than the King. Punches in particular are must-watch stuff for kids in schools learning how to sell.
Tex Salinger and Shanghai Pierce. It's been YEARS since I thought about them.
Any pro wrestler with the name "Shanghai Pierce" would be canceled today.
It always amazes me how much these two guys have committed to memory of the history of wrestling. It's incredible
I was surprised that with his friendship with Dundee and Dundee going over to manage Regal. That it wasn't atleast a thought.
Lawler joined WWF before Dundee went to WCW
@@johnonan744 i was thinking it was roughly about the same time . They still worked the memphis territory. after Dundee left WCW . At that time wasn't WCW faction heavy with Dangerous Alliance and York Foundation so with him already having history with members of each faction he may of fit in one of them .
@@joshk4187 Lawler had heat with Flair, who was returning to WCW around that time, and also Dusty, who had the book at that time. So, I think Lawler made the wise decision to go to NY.
Even though he had heat with a few guys there, none were in a position to cut his legs out from under him
Lawler vs Sting, Steamboat, Vader, Cactus Jack, etc would have been good. But there was also the possibility of Lawler vs Brian Pillman, vs Dustin Rhodes, Steve Austin, Arn, or Bobby Eaton. There was no shortage of great matches waiting there for him.
Lawler did go when it was Georgia Championship Wrestling. He was to work a program with Roddy Piper. But it never did take place.
When do you guys usually listen to his podcasts? I usually listen to it just before sleep lying on my bed.
On a light jog. And before sleep.
Lawler vs Backlund at MSG in 1979 would have been amazing.
That's funny bc my dad was talking about how he used to watch Lawler as a kid and said he would be a good guy for a while and then hed be a bad guy and then hed be a good guy again lol
He’d have been wasted in-ring like he was in WWF, just without the career renaissance as a commentator.
Here's something interesting.....Bobby Heenan was still in the WWF when he came in as a commentator/wrestler. Suppose he goes to WCW instead and becomes commentator there. Does Bobby still leave WWF at the end of 93? Does he still go to WCW where he'd not have the same spot he got when he jumped in reality? Does he retire outright? It's interesting to think about.......
Ric Flair vs Lawler would've been dope
That match did happen in the mid 80's for the NWA title and on one Monday night Raw
@@robertthomas413 once on memphis tv also
Lawler was so funny as a heel commentator. Always sucking up to Mr Mcmahon during his feuds with Austin and Rock
They would have dropped the ball with him. Besides during the Attitude Era the WWE because of the USA Network was allowed to get away with a lot more than Turner allowed WCW to there for Jerry Woods have never been able to get away with the things that he said and they would have toned him down.
OH YOU MEAN LIKE HIS GREAT TAZ FEUD
@@chrischar1969 ya the same time WCW was going out of business
@@mikescott8903 yeah and
@@chrischar1969 which means it was still better than anything wcw was airing at the time
Lawler should have at least had one run with the world title during is early arrival in WWE. By reputation alone, he deserved it even if it was for a short run. Him and Rude would have an been entertaining tag team in WCW both due to Rude's character and Lawler's real lust for women.
I would have loved to see Lawler on WWWF/WWF television in the northeast in the late 70s and early 80s he would have been great looking back Vince Sr.s roster wasn't as good as some of the other territories in my opinion so he would have been great
Technically Jerry Lawler appeared twice in WCW. Once on TV against Bob Roop when Memphis was graced by the mercilessly shortlived broadcasting duo of Gordon Solie and Lance Russell. And both groups started a talent exchange. And once when Jerry Lawler and Roddy Piper hinted at a Superfeud on Georgia Championship Wrestling on TBS. Which became World Championship Wrestling and of course eventually WCW.😎B.W.
I remember that.
I hated that so much. They relegated Dave Brown to a ring announcer. Solie was good, but he didn't fit with Lance like Dave did.
@@sandmantn77 I remember that to!!!
Considering Flair returned to WCW in 93, he could have worked a top programme with Lawler with Ric as face.
Lawler could have worked with Sting, a young Natural Dustin Rhodes ( seemed Taylor made), Steamboat, and Macho Man.
I was gonna lost a kind quote but here are to matches you can get at least 7-8 quotes combined, max mini rumble 98 match which was pretty good tbh sunny officiated it and wrestlemania x9 booker vs HHH. Both matches have hilarious commentary
WCW would have screwed him up like it did everything else.
Probably - but that means Lawler wouldn't have stuck around
Imagine if yew wheel....
Spartacus Lawler....
Ngl I take a lot of King’s material that he used on Stu Hart and I use it on old friends of mine. Always gets the room to pop.
Lawler vs. Steamboat for the US or TV title would have been great.
"High security clothesline" god damn Corny is funny.
Funny, yes. Reality no...
Was that a finishing move?
@@piperar2014 no.. the poor ass markets that strung a piece of string connected to those three ft tall poles.. as a security line
I wish I could have seen Lawler before WWF. A true legend reduced to a catchphrase- “ puppies!”
There is a ton of old Memphis stuff on UA-cam, you know. Like, from the early 80s almost all the way to the end.
Yes, he was fantastic then.
He would have wanted to bring in that hardcore Memphis stuff.
a year or two later .. heyman took it to ecw..
Damn that Heel story about Lawler at the end.
Love Jim & Brian's memories of the territories.
A bit younger Lawler in ECW would of been fucking amazing
What if Hart Foundation and British Bull Dogs went to WCW.
Lawler’s feud with Brett Hart was comedy gold
The teenage girls in Georgia would've been on high alert.
I remember it was either early 90s late 80s seeing a music video on wcw showcasing lawler as going there soon
UHHH WHEN AND WHERE
It was mid 80's like 1983 or 1984.
They were doing a deal where crockett/mid south/memphis were working together briefly.
They teased jimmy hart's first family coming in right before hart and bundy jumped to WWF.
@@stevew7571 That was during the Championship Wrestling from Georgia days (the Saturday morning TBS show while Vince had the 6:05 slot) CWG and Memphis worked together as part of Pro Wrestling USA
Lawler I don't think would have fit in in WCW
'93 fued between Lawler & Bulldog would have been good, then Lawler/Sting program after that...
Lawler Vs Henning 1988 AWA - Jerry was a face
Lawler was an awesome heel. I never understood why but once the attitude era was over with, they really toned down his bad guy commentary
Uhm society changed so do television stories and characters. Which is what wwf/wwe or wrestling in general always has been, a company that changes with society to stay afloat.
A year later, this is still a movie.
Lawler would not work in WCW too cartoony. His feud with the Harts was ready made. Only person Lawler could work with in WCW , was Flair and Dustin Rhodes
The Puerto Rican fans never killed Lawler because Sucio Dutch Mantel and Ox Baker were higher priority targets.
Jerry didn't steal any platanito. He's good. 🇵🇷 🇵🇷 🇵🇷
Jerry would have starred in "Ready to Rumble" if he'd been in WCW
Imagine jim Ross and Bobby heenan during the Monday night war instead of Lawler
Great call. Jerry working face anywhere outside Memphis pre-2003 wouldn't go over.
Once didn’t know how to effectively use guys like Lawler…he may have had a legendary run in WCW with Flair, Steamboat, and Sting…they could’ve used another awesome heel. Imagine Sting and Steamboat vs Lawler and Flair!
I could see Lawler in WCW. He would be more appreciated as a face as he's from Memphis and WCW works in the South mainly. I could see a run against Flair in '93 and possibly a Vader feud, but he would be a better fit for WCW as a whole. Plus WCW would get the advantage of working with USWA and utilizing their top stars on TV.
I hope I meet a woman who loves me like Corny loves Lawler
Jerry King Was There In 92
Lawler and Funk awesome 👍
lawler would of been great in wcw
I think I am drawing from the AWA memories from ESPN in Canada, but Lawler was not a heel at first. He beat Curt Hennig for the AWA title before Curt went to WWF. Curt was a heel and had cheated to beat Bockwinkel for the title (roll of coins?). Lawler eventually cheated to beat Kerry Von Erich (roll of coins?). He definitely was not an outright heel at first. At least he was not portrayed that way to Canucks.
Lawler was in the AWA way before he won the belt.
@@sandmantn77 I think it was a joint collaboration between AWA, Nashville and Texas as a way to compete with WWF.
Lawler kept hitting von erich with a chained fist until his eye was a bloody mess and the refs stopped the match... classic classic classic old school match
@@sandmantn77 that's what bryan was talking about.. as a face vs tolos and as a tAG CHAMP
Lawler will always be one of the best promo cutters.
Vince would have seen Lawler. The Kauffman angle was impossible to miss. It got national and international attention. Also he brought in a ton of people who passed through Memphis so Vince must have seen footage. He signed Savage directly after a feud with Lawler so Vince would have definitely seen these when recruiting Savage.
Vince’s dad turned down Kaufman prior to Andy going to Memphis to work with Lawler. Ironically, he thought it was too cartoonish. Just another example of the differences between Vince and his dad:
Lawyer would have gotten buried in WCW. WWE was definitely the better move for him.
He would've f***ed it up. They hated him in 1982 and at SWCW in 1983. Lawler was hated outside of Memphis
Wasn't Lawler in WWWF for a cup of coffee?
NO
Because Lawler was mainly a heel in my eyes, I grew fond of Superstar Bill Dundee
I don't think WCW would have fit with Lawler's persona as well as WWE did.