Biggest Submarines: The Big, The Famous And The Surprising
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2024
- There are videos out there listing the world's largest submarines (often wrong or incomplete). This submarine chat takes a different path, walking through the largest over time. Some are famous, but others surprised me, and some are barely known of.
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"... having a pool - at least, intentionally." LOL
The joke itself sounded a bit unintentional, which made it even better! Good Lol
I often forget the Typhoon displaces about as much as an Iowa-class at standard load. That's absolutely nuts.
Yeah it is, the thing that makes comparisons odd is that most Soviet subs were a double-hull design which means they had a lot of unusable space inside compared to their western counterparts. I’d be curious to know what the usable interior space of a Typhoon was compared to say an Ohio.
Greater diving depth and potentially better able to take battle-damage but also much bigger and more expensive to build. 🤔
@@samuel5916 Diplomacy is sometimes a straight up dick measuring contest.
In that regard, the Typhoons could be partly meant to show off both engineering capabilities (look at what we can build!) and as conspicuous consumption (look at what we can afford to waste resources on!).
I mean, that's a big part of the job of aircraft carriers, but the Typhoon showed off a Soviet capability the Americans couldn't match, unlike any feasible carrier they could have made.
Boomers also don't come with the expensive extras carriers need - the rest of the battle group, an airwing, thousands of sailors... in that respect, the Typhoon is way cheaper.
@@chanman819 and boomers bind a lot of resources trailing and countering them because you really don't want one of those things sneaking up your cracks unbeknownst to you.
@@chanman819 Aircraft Carriers are also the most potent offensive weapon in modern warfare. Nothing can project that level of firepower on a moments notice to virtually any part of the planet. Except nukes but those are useless for obvious reasons.
But remember that 48.000 tons is the displacement when the ballast tanks are fully flooded with water to submerge, the real displacement of the hull is 22.800 tons when the ballast tanks are empty when surfaced, so I wouldn't compare it to an Iowa which is 48.500 tons of steel.
Your unscripted work is better than most others’ scripted and edited work. Love it.
I was about to write the same thing. The man knows and is comfortable expositing his knowledge ad hoc.
@@oliversmith9200 unscripted is the only way to see one's real knowledge.
The self crits on fabulous unscripted lectures and amazing self made infographics in bloody paint of all things are kinda sweet and humble to be honest. I hope H I knows hes doing extremely well and that its mostly a warning to first time viewers who will soon grow to appreciate him for his qualities.
Tour guide for a Typhoon:
"To get to the swimming pool...make a right at the Ferris wheel...pass 'Build-A-Torpedo', left at the bowling alley...escalator down...".
I really appreciate you updating your videos instead of fire and forget. Thanks!
TY a sub talk about sub history that was perfectly narrated
Broadside torpedoes is such a novel idea I imagine the space they take up is their main issue rather than anything particularly bad about them in terms of usefulness.
Mr. Sutton, you do such good work. Sir, you provide a wonderful service in your videos. You're most educational, you teaches all about not just the history of the Submarine by The goings-on and why they did it. All in all sir, I really respect your knowledge and enjoy your presentations. Please keep them coming, we really really need somebody of your caliber on UA-cam.
"at least an intentional one..." funniest dark submarine joke ever
I have no idea how my UA-cam got here but I love this content.
the thing i can be amazed in every video you make is not the topics you talk about (although those topics are amazing still) its the fact thats its unscripted, because you must have one hell of a memory to remember all of these things on the go! cheers to you mate
I really enjoy the unscripted videos. There is something that is immensely enjoyable about listening to someoen with obvious years of experience and expertise talk freely about the subject they are most interested in. I foresee your channel getting a lot more subscribers in the coming year now that The Algorithm is picking you up!
0:43 👌 Nicely done man 👍
The man was correct, Montana is beautiful.
Man, your stuff is most enjoyable. Before i found this channel, its hard to think of something i cared less about than subs. Now im binge watching
I have actually been on the USS Triton, (she was laid up not in service), because we were looking for older sonar and comm equipment that could be used to support the other 585 class subs. She was converted, for a brief period, into a Presidential escape sub and had double wide ladders (stairs for some people) and everything that went with that, was in semi-preservation in St Juliens Creek Annex in Portsmouth, Va. In her day she was a grand boat.
So apparently that NECPA conversion was never officially confirmed, and she was scrapped without it being documented. I doubt it's classified information but it might be worth formally documenting your observations if it's not classified, since Triton was never on the list as a NEPCA platform and people might appreciate the confirmation of a direct witness to the conversions in documenting her history.
@18:04 ...Bloody hell!
The absolute complexity of a sub, in one image!!
Great vid!! I've just discovered this channel, via Sub Brief...
I'm curious as to why was this video removed initially.
A bunch of typos in dates (such as 2016 instead of 1916)
The unscripted-ness made this video great. Both the spontaneity and your command of the English language make it wonderful.
You can see the japanese sub launched seiren plane on display , at the smithsonian udvar h center. That place is incredible. A must see for anyone. Even non plane fans leave it amazed
*Thank you for posting all of your videos. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!*
I adore Surcouf, what a fascinating ship. X-1 is beautiful too, I am much more interested in it and the K-class now.
Recent subscriber : really enjoying your diagnostic approach to these complex beasts, helps fill in many blanks in my knowledge 👍🍻🇨🇦
I found this channel a few weeks ago and I adore it. H I Sutton is the Drachinifel with a specialty in Submarines.
I was on a submarine which, for a short time, had an unintentional swimming pool.
Excellent coverage, well tailored to the intent. Also, some nice drawings here, Mr. Sutton. I especially appreciated the Surcouf armament schematic.
Rewatching this I googled the Gyroplane and found your Covert Shores coverage. Thumbs up.
Navy UK for 11 years. Nobody during the 60's ever mentioned such monsters lurking beneath our little frigates/destroyers.
Submariners forbidden to mention such stuff, explains their smirk distain of us sun bathed fish-heads lounging on deck.
Tracking Typhoons in th "Sea of O" was the cool op for an American fast attack in the '80s. My boat was too old and broken down, so we didn't get such ops.
Once again great video! Thanks
One thing I love in your approach is just a couple second pause on the more interesting slides to really take in what we're looking at, or have just learned. All other channels motormouth their way through, making it hard to take in. One constructive criticism is that I personally don't want to do all the calendar math in my head, nor care about the date. "It was the biggest from Feb 2016 for two years eight months." Haven't gotten to the end but a timeline and/or a side-to-side photo would be cool, though maybe you do exactly that. Just trifling matters, though, carry on good sir.
12:58 "mysterious circumstances" is an other way of saying that it was most likely accidentally rammed by an american cargo ship or bombed by mistake by an american flying boat and then sunk to the bottom of the sea, in the Caribbean. (Surcouf was one of the subs that served with the French free forces, the FFL.)
Yeah it’s the speculation as I read it too, but really the only thing we know for sure is it just vanished with all hands. Unless the wreck is found (and even then that’s not a given) we’ll never know for sure.
I'm a simple man HI Sutton or Subbrief posts a video and I watch
So, technically speaking, the second largest (by displacement) ship in the russian navy is the Dmitriy Donskoi, the last typhoon operative, only second to the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier?
yes and they where the largest from a time the soviet aircraft carriers onli take the lead in the mid 80
Fun factoid: The hulls were designated as TK-[number] - which was the Soviet designation for heavy cruisers.
@@ranekeisenkralle8265 I thought that is for counter intelligent purpose, so other will think they are building cruisers.
@@dchiab818 maybe in part, but given the sheer tonnage of those things, it does make sense regardless. Their regular subs are also classified as K-(number] - so basically cruisers
@@ranekeisenkralle8265 ahh, understood
Just a small correction: The K-class was (in terms of displacement) the largest submarine only until 1918, which was when SM U142 was built and commissioned one day before the end of WW1. It displaced 2785 tons.
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SM_U_142
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SM_U-142
I enjoy the unscripted aspect of your vids. It makes for a genuine experience, Thank you
I haven't finished watching yet but I know... it'll be good! Thanks H I Sutton for your incredible videos!
My Dad was on the HMCS Saskatoon / MooseJaw in WWII and worked the Radio / Radar room and was convinced that they chased down and sank the Surcouf and sank it by PEI as something / someone was sinking ships in the St. Lawrence and they believed whatever was doing it was around St. Pierre - Michelon ... He believed it was the Surcouf because it was the biggest ping he had ever seen when they were eco locating it and when they arrived at Halifax they were told it was an "exercise" and were not to talk about it. its believed the Surcouf went Vichy
What does vichy mean?
@@joka7316 French who switched sides
*Great video...👍👍*
Thank u, Really enjoyed this info ..well done sir
Did I miss something or is this a re-upload?
Reupload due to typos in dates in the previous version
Fascinating
Respect to you for not being stingy with your graphics
cool vid! didnt know about most of these
Top quality content.
I always thought displacement was a measure of volume, rather than weight. A balloon full of air weighs mere grams, but it displaces several kilograms/litres of water if submersed. The measure is about how big a sub is in volume, not its weight, since you can have lots of empty space inside a hull. The more cramped and stuffed with machinery a sub is, the more it weighs. But it still displaces the same as a similar class sub carrying less machinery, torpedoes, food, water, etc, as what really counts is the size/volume of the hull, and the amount of water it displaces if submersed.
Yes but in order to have control over the depth of your submarine, the buoyancy and gravity need to roughly cancel each other out, so the submarine's density has to very close to that of water it's in. Therefore it is very closely related to weight of the submarine. This means that for a submerged submarine displacement works both as a measure of volume and weight. If it's lighter than the water it displaces, the submarine will float up. Also, on the surface the displaced volume applies only to the part below water level, so it does not tell you much about the size of the submarine (or any ship) above the water, just the weight.
@@zkwip8100 "Yes but in order to have control over the depth of your submarine, the buoyancy and gravity need to roughly cancel each other out, so the submarine's density has to very close to that of water it's in. "
That´s what ballast tanks are for. Bigger tanks, more weight in water. You can technically remove most of the machinery, and still achieve neutral buoyancy if the tanks are big enough. The point is that "displacement" was a measure invented to convey the size of the boat, rather than the weight of the boat. Because they knew the mere weight was subject to interpretation when accessing how big it was, since you can pack a hull with heavier machinery/less open spaces vs. the same hull with plenty of open spaces and composite materials.
Subs need permanent ballast at the keel, and lead can be used, occupying a lesser volume but still weighing the same as stone/iron/sand ballast (which was used back when the term was coined). The batteries were often used as such, but battery tech evolved, meaning the ballast had to be re-calculated and added or removed.
Displacement is a measure of weight because weight is a measure of gravitational force and gravitational force is what is displacing the weight of the water being displaced.
The displaced water is the volume of the ship under the water, for a submerged submarine this happens to be the whole vessel volume, for surface ships it is more clear that displacement is a measure of weight
@@CanadaJarod It is only a measure of weight through the calculation of the density of the water that it displaces.
For any static floating object displacement and mass are identical and measured in kg. The balloon you described will not be static, it will rise until the air is thin enough that the mass of displaced air is equal to the mass of the balloon. The balloon may pop prior to this. With ships the displacement is identical to mass aka archenemies. In a submarine the displacement is essentially as mass give or take a few tens of tons which is compensated for by the control surfaces. It's tricky to balance a sub so a sub without forward movement will tend to rise or fall slowly.
Didn't I see this video already?
13:44 Wow! How many other submarines are there that are not left/right symmetric? The bridge/sail is offset quite a bit, that must create a turning force when submerged, surely? Can somebody expand on this, please?
Pretty cool video overall
What was the purpose of a tanker/transport submarine?
To get past naval blockades / resupply other submarines, For example the Germans during WWI had transport submarines to get past the RN blockades and transport valuable German dyes/chemicals to the US (when it was neutral) in exchange for US goods/resources. In WWII, Germany had transport submarines to resupply other submarines
Didn't this drop before Christmas?
I made some tweaks (typos in dates, added USS Argonaut). UA-cam doesn't allow much in the way of improvements so had to re-upload
Thanks….👍
yhx! good video as always
On steam submarines, didn't you report in another video that there are no actual reports of steam-submarine disasters related to that design? Or did I misunderstand? Because here, you say there probably were several serious issues. Thanks for your presentations, they are very informative and interesting.
Hello Mr. Sutton. Based on your own opinion, what two submarine classes do you believe are accoustically the quietest in the world atm?
With all of the powers bestowed upon me by the youtubes, I am officially changing the name of the typhoon class to "the swimming pool class"
Pretty good . Typhoon is amazing.
15:04 I thought this would be SSN-571 (Nautilus). Amazing, the I-400 was even larger than some early nuclear subs.
kind of makes sense when you think about it though, without the need for all the diesel fuel, you can make a sub that goes 2x as far, does 2x the work, for less size, plus nautilus was as much a test of nuclear tech as it was new hullforms so its not as big as it could have been built
14:20 "One of the big what-ifs." Obviously the Panama is such a nice-to-have that all US battleships are Panamax, but what is the realistic strategic win from shutting it down? I don't think the US IN PRACTICE shipped that many ships from Pacific to Atlantic or vice versa, did it? And if it took an extra... how long? Three weeks? to go around Tierra del Fuego, was there any actual battle that would have turned out a bit different?
In fear of repeating the obvious and previously stated; you do very good work sir.
Excellent video, even if it was "unscripted" as you say. I've had the privilege of being on board an Ohio, and when you mentioned that the Typhoon was TWICE the size, my eye caught one of the little drawings of a 3-high rack (sleeping bunk for the folks following along), I about lost it dude! That thing is big! It's a shame all we ever see of it is that old nasty rusted pool and the Soviet sauna, because man, they must have built an incredible piece of equipment. Also, hats off to the Soviets for giving their boys a sauna and a swimming pool (though I doubt very seriously that's the reason they made the thing so large). If the US made a sub that large, I stagger to think how much firepower and capability we would cram into something that massive.
The author did not say that each Typhoon missile carried 10 individually targetable warheads, and their number is 200! The typhoon was called the killer of continents and its firepower is unsurpassed by anyone !!!!
Was this video re uploaded? I've seen this video like a few weeks ago.
why is the reupload? or is something different?
Corrected and improved, I think. :)
I made some tweaks (typos in dates, added USS Argonaut). UA-cam doesn't allow much in the way of improvements so had to re-upload
@@HISuttonCovertShores okay thanks, I'll watch the New Part now, allways nice to see that some still care about there content and then improve it
@@HISuttonCovertShores Good information in the video. One small issue, you have the Typhoon start date as April 1979 instead of September 1979.
How do the submarines keep water out, the shaft is connected to the engine and it is a rotating mass, any gasket would wear out over time and when the submarine is subjected to high pressures while diving wouldn't that leak water into the interior? How do they manage to pull that off? Awesome content, got interested in this stuff after the TITAN submersible fiasco.
There are many more high performance types of bearing/seal systems. Labyrinth seals, metal on metal seals, etc.
"Typhoon only had 20 missile tubes due to political reasons"
How would this be possible given these were developed at the same time? Given how much development is needed, there's no way the Soviets saw the Ohio and based design considerations on that because Typhoon was in development in 1976, and Ohio class was commissioned in 1981...
Typhoon was first with "intentional swimming pool" Thats my quote of 2021 :D
1:00 I see you added a Red-October reference there.
"the only submarine I know of of with a swimming pool...well and intentional one" lol
No script ftw.
Absolutely AWESOME video....but hearing the first US nuclear missile sub named Ethan Allen class STILL has me roaring laughing!!!!
I'm curious about the gun turrets. How do they shoot after being submerged underwater? I would think if they are constantly flooded with water that it would cause all sorts of problems to make them operational on the surface.
They are filled with water just before launching rockets!
Love the videos and the information BUT the lip smacking is a lil annoying and distracting
The irony of a swimming pool on a ship has always been something to chuckle at.... But that of a swimming pool on a submarine is to comical to bear!!
could a submarine survive a collision with the MV Estonia (1994) ?
You forgot the BRAND NEW SSB WISCONSIN CLASS! Too long (1125") and too wide (165') to pass through the locks in the Panama Canal!!! My Cousin is a Master Chief Petty Officer in charge of Environmental Control. I toured his "boat" and it is AMAZING!!! "Sherwood Forest" is about 7-8 STORIES tall with 48 silos. "Boystown" and "Girlstown", the enlisted quarters are privacy roomettes and luxurious, the PO and Chiefs and Quarter Masters (and the four Warrants) rooms are cruise ship type while "Officer's Country" is palatial. The Captain is a nice man and the XO a nice woman. Four Lt. Commanders for each watch, three men, one woman-I'd guess a compliment of 500+ total. THEY WEAR BELL BOTTOMS (Enlisted) from the uniform store in New Orleans with 27" bells like the 1922 Naval Uniform and piped Pinafores and look like a MILLION DOLLARS lined-up for inspection with GOB hats! Dickies dungarees (bell-bottom pants) for work details with blue GOB hats! The six "Super-Boomers" are old-school Navy. ALL officers are "SIR". The families were fed a LAVIOUS buffet-I ate at the XO's table. The "Supers" NEVER come with-in sight of land. Timmy is the "Gold" crew. He earns 6 figures or very close to it. 100% titanium hulls...mike speed at below cavitation depth (about 250 meters) 77 knots (85 MPH) mike depth CLASSIFED but DEEPER than ANY normal part of the Atlantic (at LEAST 400 meters) she has "several" thrusters, little outboard motors, totally silent that can move her SIDEWAYS if needed WITHOUT the reactor running for a LONG time. Quote the XO "Wanna find us? Find the quietest place in the ocean, and THAT'S US!" "We hide in schools of shrimp or whales or sardines."
that is a BIG SUB but the pool is a nice idea.
"The only submarine with a swimming pool. At least an intentional one."
Ha!
is this a reupload?
excuse me if this come completely out of nowhere. I've heard that recent submarines were prone to using some kind of hydropropulsion instead of screws, because it's more silent. Have you made a vid about this, so I can jump there right away? Were Typhoons actually equipped with such a device? (Ghosts of Red October, eat your heart out)
He has made a video on the subject, if you check the list. Screws v. propulsors basically. There is nothing on the horizon like the fictional Red October.
Wait is this a repost? Thought I saw this a few weeks ago.
Edit: Disregard, I read the comments 😂👌🏼👍🏼
please don't apologize for being unscripted-- it indicates that you know your stuff and not copying from Wikipedia or Military Factory, etc.
The author did not say one important thing, each Typhoon missile carried 6 individually targetable warheads and their total number is 120 on 20 missiles! Typhoon was called the killer of continents!!!
Fun fact, the kirov class cruisers have a pool with waterfalls. Watched it on combat approved.
Babe wake up H I Sutton dropped
I got to walk around an Ohio class sub back in the year 2000 and the thing that surprised me the most was just how large it actually was.
I wonder if a large SSBN can be converted to a modern "milk cow" for AIP subs for fuel
I wonder why smaller subs are going through the pains of lugging fuel around and aren't powered by smaller reactors.
@@daszieher small reactor tech is only becoming feasible recently with the development of small modular reactors.
That being said, most non-big powers will prefer AIP or diesel simply as it is cheaper and because they dont have any ambition to do anything but defend at most their EEZs. So lugging around some fuel and AIP cells is enough.
@@ricktoconnor probably.
But one sees how many states strive for an at least minimal involvement with nuclear power. So I believe cost only to be a side note with submarines.
@@daszieher bear in mind that many nations still prefer not to dabble with militarised nuclear power. Japan being one long standing example. The recent advent of Australian involvement is causing a different kind of anxiety, that lack of preparedness, and nuclear support infrastructure, which cannot be built overnight. I know that the first generation of Australian nuclear propulsion specialists are currently in training, some here in Britain, some in the US, but it will be years before they are 100% ready to take charge on their own. Then, of course, the boat design is yet to be finalised. Amongst other things..
i wonder why external torpedo tubes are not used any more?
Probably aquadynamic reasons to prevent avoidable noise sources.
@@Eruthian cant be... i mean they were nicely integrated into double hulls. similar like oscar 2 has missiles on side
What's the difference between a "High Angle" gun and a howitzer? They seem to imply the same thing, no?
The Sourcof looks like a Jules Verne machine. Really steampunk.
Any combat kills recorded with broadside torpedoes?
i feel i watch this video and adress of size question video befor, is it me or author is edited and did it again?
He's said in this comment section twice before you posted this comment that he made some corrections and added a sub.
I recognized your British accent.😊
Some of the names are surprising indeed.
Anyway I wonder whether will see anything bigger than Typhoon, as it would require something truly enormous. Hell Typhoon herself displaces as much if not more than most of WWII battleships 😅
I been told there's a point when making a Sub big starts to work against it.
The magnetic signature of such a large metal object makes it easier to detect.
Someone with more knowledge please chime in a explain facts from educated opinions.
There have been plans for submarine cargo ships and oil tankers as mentioned in the episode which would be equal to the typhoons. Those plans went nowhere but maybe in the future? I agree it probably won't be military.
@@TheFirebird123456unless your having to ship under say an ice cap or are say smuggling stuff like the cartels transport would be cheaper with a surface ship.
There's a reason no ones building large submarine transports
Great comment: only one with a swimming pool - - intentionally.
Like J M, same, same here. If you hadn't said they were unscripted I wouldn't have known. If this is all off the top of your head, without notes, it is quite impressive. I would suggest anyone studying Communications in university could benefit by listening to your features, and take free-association notes. Communication is more than just information, as humans were attuned to how we feel when hearing it.
For Americans .... Meccano is the British equinalent of Erector sets.
When I saw the first photo of the Surcouf I thought it was a submersible aircraft carrier. Has there ever been any talk of making one? How amazing would that be. I’d imagine size constraints might make it impossible for fixed wing, but the idea gets my noggin joggin
Check out the Japanese type I-400. Each carried 3 floatplanes and were intended for attacks on the Panama canal and US West Coast. However they came about too late in the war to see any effective use.
Thanks guys I am realizing I shoulda just kept watching lol
In addition to the I-400 there were a number of design studies made for potential post war submarine carriers (ua-cam.com/video/y1DUxM-FtZ8/v-deo.html) The US also basically used the lessons learned from the I-400 to build the Regulus cruise missile firing submarines. The largest carried 5 regulus missiles, each roughly the size of a F-86 when fully assembled.
Deja vu
H I Sutton clearly should be working as a researcher for a large media outlet like the BBC. Apparently the BBC has over 1 million hours of video and audio recordings 99% of which will NEVER be used. Adam Curtis has made a good stab at using them to explain quirks of history but I for one would tune in BB4 4 11.30 PM every Tuesday for a H I Sutton 'chat'. About as British as it's possible to get.
Recently found your gem channel by navel news website . Please 🙏 explain french barracuda class SSN if possible ( becz after cancellation of aukus deal , India comes in into equation to get this sub in future also french defence minister recently visit India to push this sub deal)
Thankyou for this amazing content.
Is this the guy who has the gun videos ??
I'm very curious to understand why modern submarines stopped implementing perpendicular and rear torpedo tubes? To me that seems like an obvious advantage, but I'm obviously not a submarine expert..... anyone care to enlighten my ignorance?
I'd say largely because sub are now more or less just cruise missle transports and they proably want the space for vertical launch tubes.