The stumpy lower rudder and low mounted diving planes would add stability to a submarine laying on the bottom in ambush. The Baltic is a fairly shallow sea making this a very viable tactic.
Probably lots of people mentioning ASEA currently being part of ABB, but I just want to point out how ASEA back in the day was a real powerhouse of electrical engineering, pioneering several concepts, such as High Voltage DC transmission, and even developed their own world-class nuclear reactors (after US published some key research). They also manufactured pretty much anything else high-power electrical related in-house; Generators, turbines, elevators, welders, fans, locomotives, power transformers - the list just goes on.
Well the sold of the gas turbines to Siemens, the steam turbines to Alstom, generators also to Alstom, The trains to Adtrans, then to Bombarder, then to Alstom, the atomic division to Westing house. Its pretty much just transfer lines and robots they make today
Sweden has had the benefit of remaining neutral during WW2. That's one of the reasons their industry has done better than equivalent economies that were destroyed during war.
Its not really obvious at all that it is unscripted. So if you won't mention it, it won't sound like an excuse for nothing and nobody will ever know... ;-) Great video again, please keep them coming!
I missed that it was "unscripted" until it was over and I saw your comment. Never would have guessed, just thought he had a uniquely engaging, conversational presentation style. This was my first time on this channel, and I subscribed. Great content & presentation.
Looking at my Volvo 144, and similarly placed Saabs of the era, I can certainly see how the Swedes were at the forefront of doing things in their own unique way.
@@grahamstrouse1165 Well, these days Ikea is more of a clearinghouse for excess Chinese manufacturing capacity. But yes, your point still kinda stands.
Very exotic and interesting upload, it's much appreciated. Thank you for making and sharing! Re wire guided torps @ 13:57 : Sweden was very early with developing and fielding wire guided torps, so the idea was well in consciousness. Experiments with radio guided torpedoes (system Crocchi) were performed in 1946, and the first wire guided system (TORE) was fielded in 1957 (I think), and was widely retrofitted. edit 1: formatting.
I saw a couple new designs suggested for our navy (i think) There was three of them frol saab, small, medium and a large variant… cant remmember the name tough
Wonderful presentation! Very informative and very helpful to understand what goes on outside the United States Navy's ship designs. The Swedish have always marched to their own beat (my Saab 93, 3 cylinder 2 stroke engine and later, 900 turbo) . Between German and Asian design ideas. It's great to see them design and build world class products
There are a couple of technical reasons why nuclear power wasn't (and still isn't) a good alternative for subs used by the Swedish Navy: 1. The one advantage of nuclear power is that it allows the sub to stay submerged for a very long time. That's great if you're cruising the oceans, but less of an issue while doing shorter missions in/near an archipelago. 2. One disadvantage of a nuclear reactor is that while operating in the archipelago a minor navigational error might cause a radioactive disaster. 3. Another disadvantage is that a nuclear reactor requires constant cooling, and that cooling system is relatively noisy! It's impossible to lay all quiet on the bottom. 4. I also think a reactor, including containment and "safe zone" requires quite a bit of space that isn't really available when you try to minimize the size of the sub.
2: The reactor is in the back, so they have to ram into something really fast to damange the reactor. Even at that i kind of doubt it. If the reactor room is flodded, there is really no danger of overheating. 3: It really depends on how its reduced in power. If its alreddy in a low power stage the ramp down of power is quite fast and the need of cooling is very limited
Really old thinking. The modern reactors have multiple safety features with automatic shutdown features. Have had those since the late 1950's and even better today. PS: I have first hand experience being aboard a nuclear submarine for months at a time. Don't listen to the talking heads. They are wrong mostly.
@@webbtrekker534 1. Emergency shutdowns are not instant. 2. Reactors need cooling for years even after shutdown. With the presence of cooling being a problem in itself, either as a source of noise or as difficult to provide in/after an emergency, that's also an issue. 3. Even a successful shutdown of the reactor won't prevent problems if/when the core is exposed. Either as a result of a collision or, more likely, after being hit by a mine or torpedo. (As noted above my statements apply to relatively small subs for use in narrow and shallow waters. Not much room for fancy layers of physical protection of the core.)
@@ollep9142 well we talk a second or two for emergancy shut of. So its pretty much instant. The second point os sort of true, well kind of. But for gen III and specially so gen III+ rectors, the passive cooling is made so it will condense back. This gives them effectivly unlimited cooling. But also gen 2+ have features to both delay and mitgate meltdowns. There is also worth saying that there is 100 of zero power rectors around the world that nobody ever talk about, those are by far the most dangerus
@@ollep9142 practically a necropost I know, but you're vastly overestimating how much of a risk submarine reactors pose, the only way they would produce a substantial environmental risk is if a wreck is left there to rot, or if it is blown apart in combat.
Off topic but has Russia tested your air space aggressively again since? I feel so sorry if they try and get ships to Gotland with your terrifyingly quiet subs. I'm pretty sure Gripens would swat Mikoyan's finest from the sky quite handily as well
@@jeffreyhill1011 Nothing has been fired, but sure, they are constantly flying into our air space, and we have to send up Gripens to chase them away. Most notably are nuclear bomber training missions against our capital with the massive Tupolev's. If that is not aggressive I don't know what is. And don't be overconfident. We have great capabilities but our numbers are very low. Russia has lost a thousand vehicles in Ukraine, while Sweden doesn't even have a thousand to begin with. We had the fourth largest air force in the world during the cold war. Now we almost can't get 12 Gripens flying at the same time. Things are changing slooowly. But we still haven't had our "come to Jesus" moment like Germany now has.
@@benghazi4216 are you guys getting Fat Amys? Also have you heard about the Tupolevs that we're doing their normal Alaska run and didn't notice they had Raptors flying under their tails for 30 minutes till they rolled up into view? Good times were had by all parties flying and 0 good times by Russian air ministers lol Edit: you guys know you are NATO lite so there is no and I mean no fucking way the UK and it's angry rebellious child would let them actually do anything real if it came to that. That's a giant step too far.
Excellent episode and really interesting. The newspaper clip in the Swedish paper describes an anti-nuclear demonstration in London. The signs with different country names are delegations from the respective country. The text also says there was Swedish representation in that protest. ASEA was founded in 1883 and is famous for its high voltage DC distribution and electrical engines. At the time, it was the critical nuclear business for the Swedish civil nuclear program. There are reactors still in use today. ASEA later merged with Swiss company Brown, Boveri, and Cie (BBC) and became the ABB Group, a well-known international company.
As a Swede I really appreciate this video, I had no idea we looked in to a nuclear powered submarine back in the days. Nor did I know that the A11 class was still in service! As others mentions in the comments ASEA was merged with Brown Boveri to form Asea Brown Boveri that later changed name to ABB. Your videos are always interesting and filled with good information (instead of juggling clowns), in my opinion one of the best channels on UA-cam. Have you got enough information to do a video about the A26?
@@Gert-DKis that a joke of u Danes sinking a Swedish ship? If so, watch ur little tongue, I'm Croat and we share Haplogroup I with them, meaning I'm the defender of Haplogroup I and will defend his Haplogroup I by force, if needed.
@@nemiw4429 We did not sink that ship, they did it themselves. If the Swedes say we did it, I can only say, they are living too close to Putin, and have learned some bad manners 🙂 OK, you are a Croat, but I am living in the world's largest Kingdom.
Your videos are always excellent and informative. They are actually I think more engaging because of the unscripted nature, it makes them more conversational.
The audio quality may not be suitable for Holywood but it's just fine for this. Crystal clear, I can hear every word easily and the volume is fine. No noticeable noise FYI.
I am an old man and I remember the antinuclear demonstrations in the late 60's and early 70's. Those protests and demonstration were huge, so without a doubt it had something to do with the decision to nuclear or not to nuclear.
ASEA is one of my favorite companies. They’re still around, called ABB now. They make all kinds of stuff, including the robots that make cars and whatnot. ASEA means Allmänna Svenska Elektriska Aktiebolaget, or General Swedish Electrical AB (AB/Aktiebolag meaning publicly traded stock company). ASEA is pronounced Ah-See-Yah
Another great video. Thank you Sir. Can you do one in Nuclear submarine detection. Both satellite wake detection and antinutreno detection from the subatomic partial reactor emissions that penetrate through all matter
Back in the 50's Sweden could maybe put 800.000 men under arms (7 miljon total population in the 1950's). The bulk of the defense force was crewed by conscripts and every young healthy Swedish man did about 1 year in basic conscript training, around 50.000 men per year. In order to get the whole machine going you need smart solution in order to reduce the need of man power (that was in short supply). Nato or the Warsaw pact didn't have the same kind of problem with shortage of man power. Hence the use of automation in the the Swedish weapons programs. The Swedish subs was manned by conscripts but the higher ranked officers was career employed.
Up until just a second or two ago, my impression was that the Swedish Navy were equipped with diesel electric boats only. This wonderfully informative programme highlights my previous ignorance to me and brings to light the true situation and features of Sweden's Submarines. Many thanks for undertaking the work nessesery to present these programmes.
Stop telling us its unscripted. Or 'lets get into it'. just get into it. For a start your lack of script isn't obvious, you speak VERY well and your videos are excellent. Literally my only note is to cut the preamble. You keep making videos i will keep watching them because they're great.
*Fantastic narration* while also presenting quite an intriguing topic and family of Swedish subs. First time looking up submarine experts on youtube, and initially I landed on an american channel with 4 times the subscribers but 1/4 the level of sophistication, apparent knowledge depth, confidence inspired, and lastly, humility. It was a no-brainer to settle here. Now when I'm at it writing comments here *I'll try my luck and request* another intriguing topic, vessel and UAV - i.e. the *SAAB Sabertooth.*
0:13 Sweden has interesting and unique designs 7:33 Diagram 7:4713:21 Revolver 9:20 General purpose nuclear propulsion reactor 10:37 Sub possibly designed to sit on bottom 12:19 Small size & crew due to shorter missions
With as quiet as their freaking diesel boats are I'm scared this new sub will just be a vacuum of sound, a void so silent no sound can exist within it's sphere of existence. Edit, holy shit a fucking gattlinpedo gun..... That's amazing! A wet A-10!
When you need to go Macross with a swarm of torpedoes around a archipelago island...A batch of them from the right and a batch from the left meeting at the target. Beautiful.
I'd say it's less of a Gatling gun than more of a big revolver, which is still pretty good when everybody else is using the torpedo equivalent of a double barrel break action shotgun, or a muzzle loading musket.
Yes, I am here for the content, but a better microphone would improve the clarity of that content so I wouldn't have to keep backing-up to listen to what you're saying repeatedly until I understand all the words.
Hi there ! It has been a while that I follow your content. I have watched almost all of your videos but I couldnt find the some answers that I am looking for. Hence, I prefer to write down on comments section about my questions : - I am interested in the Type 214 submarines and their problems in development phase. - Why did German Navy has refused to give order to Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft GmbH about Type 214 and prefered to stick to Type 212s? the Sub. 'd had balast and further balance problems at Papanikolis class submarines in Hellenic Navy. (Their test sub. was almost tipped over %60 side at the tests and almost turned upside down after the heavy torpido firing tests. ) - Turkish partners of that german company in Gölcük have declared that they solved that balance problems by increase the length by 4m and redesigning the balast tanks independently from the main design. German company officials verified that and they accredited and rewarded Navy engineers 2 years ago. BUT German Navy officials have still refused to buy eventhough the design problems were solved. What is really going on with Type 214s? - How does a 3K tons Submarine tip over or lose control by firing a 533mm Torpedo ? - Why did Pakistani Navy dropped the contract with germans after 2 years of waiting for that? there is something fishy and political with those submarines and I still have blindspots. I would be appreciated if you provide some info to enlighten me. Thanks !
Not sure why this was suggested to me, but I really enjoyed the content. The microphone is fine & being unscripted, isn't a problem as you are obviously very knowledgeable on the subject.
The search engine brought it to me- but as you can see, a while after you dropped it. My "use" factor for the Mighty Algorithm has many "military interest" and weapons reviews, so that is likely to give a boost to whom it gives your drop to. Don't stop- I learn a bit from all your offerings. Subbed a long time ago! FR
' H I Sutton ' This Was a GREAT VIDEO!!! You researched this class sub " ALL THE WAY "!!!! And as a USN Veteran that was able to exercise with a Gotland-class sub, I am VERY Interested on what you have on that one...... Since I loss to that sub in an exercise!! USN Veteran 84 - 05 FF/FFGs
Your videos are really good! As we're discussing legacy technology I would like to know why WWII german U-boats could dive so much deeper than similar Allie's subs.
This is one of your coolest videos. Won’t find this kind of historical design analysis anywhere else, really. You always end your videos saying that you hope they were interesting-Mr Sutton, sir, you _try_ and make an uninteresting video. I dare you. All of your videos are fascinating. Your website, too.
5:46 I believe all USN submarines from the Gato-class forward (perhaps earlier) have been either diesel-electric or nuclear. In the case of the Gatos, each boat was equipped with four Fairbanks-Morse or General Motors diesel engines coupled to generators, which in turn either powered the four electric motors (two per shaft) or were used to charge the batteries. Normal procedure for surface operation was to run on three main engines-- two supplying power to the motors, one charging the batteries, and the fourth rested for inspection and maintenance.
Thank you for another superb and informative video. As to spiral fuel tanks, these sound strikingly similar to those used in the wire guided, World War II, German air missile the Ruhrstahl. Thanks again!
Did the rotating magazine really need to rotate or could just multiple doors exist. Multiple doors would also address the wire guided problem, the tubes could be sealed till needed to avoid the immersed in seawater issue perhaps filled with a fluid friendly to the torpedoes and electronics so the seal wouldn't need to be a pressure seal and could say be a plastic membrane that would just be brokrn through. As to nuclear subs, was there any RTG subs where a radioisotooe generator which wouldn't be enough for cruising but might be enough for hotel services and trickle charging. Also, maybe do something about the civilian Sagan-N. The Sagan-N was to be a 8 man sub with a SLOWPOKE adiabatic nuclear reactor using Sterling engines to run the generators from the hot water produced. They built the hull for the Sagan-N but a tax dispute between Canada and France killed the project. Had the project continued, the nuclear reactor component would likely have been left out to cut costs amd reduce bureaucracy but still it was quite the concept. Note that the SLOWPOKE reactor is the only nuclear reactor licensed for unattended operation as it is passively safe.
Very interesting, and something I knew nothing about, although I am a Swede, formerly Air force employee! I have seen models of that nuclear reactor at the Army Museum in Stockholm.
Australia has announced an intention to acquire nuclear powered (not armed) submarines via a multilateral agreement between the US, UK and Australia. AUKUS. The prevailing view here in Australia seems to assume that we'll acquire an American design with UK electronics, but I'm thinking the Vanguard class would be more appropriate for our navy and its needs. Your views on the topic would be fascinating, H I Sutton.
i really dont see any upside having a nuclear sub vs modern non nuclear in baltic... the sea is so small and like half of it belongs to Finland anyways and the area Swedish subs can and need to operate is like max 1/5 of it.. area between Kaliningrad and Ahvenanmaa. (Åland)
Nuclear submarines have a huge disadvantage in baltic, and that is their heat signature. A modern AIP sub is *much* more stealthy than any nuclear sub when loitering (do you use the word loitering for subs too or is that more a drone thing?)
@Steven Strain Nuclear submarines have the fundamental issue of heat. Even in convection mode, they produce a ton of heat from radioactive decay, and that heat needs to go out into the water. This is unavoidable. In a shallow body of water like the baltic, you can't hide deep under layers. The heat will be visible with satellite imaging.
ASEA merge with Brow/Boweri and created ABB. In the 70-ties ASEA had a department named ATOM witch develop BWR-power stations with very high standard, sadly just too out of ten is still in production. I have no record of ASEA develop reactors for propulsion but I think it’s safe to assume a country of 6-7 million people don’t have more than a hand full of people, skilled in the atomic technology.
The 1958 drawings lead me to some questions. The fore and after pressure hull closures are flat plated instead of elliptical or hemisphereical bulkheads. This would hint that the operating depth may be quite shallow? The reactor plant appears to be a pressurized water unit with two steam generators and a pressurizer visible on the drawing. Also shows a primary shield tank around the reactor vessel. Assuming the Is the secondary shield shown is polyethelene?
Flat bulkheads are found on a number of designs, doesn't necessarily mean not deep diving, at least by the standards of the day. DELTA class SSBNs are a great example, but there are more
Great video. I would love to know where I can the picture you show at the begging? I'm referring to the one with the sub on the bottom and a couple divers in front.
Best bit of real info to appear in my UA-cam stream for, well pretty much forever. As you said don't think your vids are necessarily 'search engine friendly' - interesting discussion for a n other OSI presentation :) . Please do continue to post. I value greatly what you have to say and keep scanning the feed for something new and as for your characteristic foibles of apology in the preamble a couple of points but suffice to say I am not sure either a'body gets the dissembling manners of etiquette :) and Inwards
A small correction. The Porpoise class of U.S.N. boats had 4 diesels driving 4 electric generators being the first diesel-electric drives of the U.S.N. well before the 1950s. The Salmons went back to two direct drive and two electrical generator. The following Sargos were all electric drive in the late boats and that stuck from then on.
Please double check your comment on Diesel/Electric propulsion. In WWII the Gato and Balao submarines were Diesel/Electric powered. Diesel generators powering electric motors that both propelled the submarine and recharged the batteries. Typically, upon surfacing two engines were dedicated to propulsion and two were used to recharge the batteries. Diesel/Electric is not new to the 1950 era. It has well established by the late 1930's.
Swedish engineering is amazing. A self taught engineer made one of the world's most cutting edge automotive companies: Koenigsegg . Also Swedish engineers were some of the first to call for safety features which are now universal. At a time when America's big automakers were stagnating on safety, Sweden had the tech. When Swedish engineers set out to do their bit, they do a top notch job. Sweden doesn't do any engineering project halfway. This is a cool sub.
I wonder how loud that torpedo rotary system would have been in a combat situation. Though if your in a torpedo hot and firing situation I don't think it matters at that point. Lol😅
The sub that "sank" an American aircraft carrier during a war games exercise without being detected was a Swedish one
The stumpy lower rudder and low mounted diving planes would add stability to a submarine laying on the bottom in ambush. The Baltic is a fairly shallow sea making this a very viable tactic.
The water intakes though need to be high up to do that or you will suck in mud.
Probably lots of people mentioning ASEA currently being part of ABB, but I just want to point out how ASEA back in the day was a real powerhouse of electrical engineering, pioneering several concepts, such as High Voltage DC transmission, and even developed their own world-class nuclear reactors (after US published some key research). They also manufactured pretty much anything else high-power electrical related in-house; Generators, turbines, elevators, welders, fans, locomotives, power transformers - the list just goes on.
This comment covered it all up...ASEA teamed up with Brown-Boveri and joined their HQ in Zürich in the late 80"s, and became ABB.
Well the sold of the gas turbines to Siemens, the steam turbines to Alstom, generators also to Alstom, The trains to Adtrans, then to Bombarder, then to Alstom, the atomic division to Westing house.
Its pretty much just transfer lines and robots they make today
There used to be an ASEA and later ABB atomics division that did nuclear power related stuff.
Sweden: Punching WAY above their weight in arms development while also kicking out excellent heavy metal.
Sweden has had the benefit of remaining neutral during WW2. That's one of the reasons their industry has done better than equivalent economies that were destroyed during war.
Its not really obvious at all that it is unscripted. So if you won't mention it, it won't sound like an excuse for nothing and nobody will ever know... ;-) Great video again, please keep them coming!
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We tell him this every video and he still does it lmao. Now we're hearing about the mic too 🙄
Great content as always.
I missed that it was "unscripted" until it was over and I saw your comment. Never would have guessed, just thought he had a uniquely engaging, conversational presentation style. This was my first time on this channel, and I subscribed. Great content & presentation.
If you know your subject, you don't need a script...
I thought it's more of a brag
I really like the fact your videos are unscripted, gives a better view into how much knowledge you have about the videos subjects.
literally this is the most detailed information source of subs on the internet. amazing work. exceptionally fascinating.
ASEA was one of the largest electrial eq manufacturers (motors, nuclear technology, transformers and so on) later merged into ABB
ASEA Brown-Boveri, ABB
Looking at my Volvo 144, and similarly placed Saabs of the era, I can certainly see how the Swedes were at the forefront of doing things in their own unique way.
And still do today. No bad designs though, they have their reasoning for doing it differently than everyone else.
Like IKEA?
@@grahamstrouse1165 Well, these days Ikea is more of a clearinghouse for excess Chinese manufacturing capacity. But yes, your point still kinda stands.
@@grahamstrouse1165 gottem
As a kid in the early 80s I liked those Volvo 240s. I understood that more thinking had gone into them.
Very exotic and interesting upload, it's much appreciated. Thank you for making and sharing!
Re wire guided torps @ 13:57 : Sweden was very early with developing and fielding wire guided torps, so the idea was well in consciousness. Experiments with radio guided torpedoes (system Crocchi) were performed in 1946, and the first wire guided system (TORE) was fielded in 1957 (I think), and was widely retrofitted.
edit 1: formatting.
I also like how your briefs are unscripted but well prepared. Another informative brief. Thank you.
Swedish engineering always brings a smile to my face.
I saw a couple new designs suggested for our navy (i think) There was three of them frol saab, small, medium and a large variant… cant remmember the name tough
IKEA
Wonderful presentation! Very informative and very helpful to understand what goes on outside the United States Navy's ship designs. The Swedish have always marched to their own beat (my Saab 93, 3 cylinder 2 stroke engine and later, 900 turbo) . Between German and Asian design ideas. It's great to see them design and build world class products
There are a couple of technical reasons why nuclear power wasn't (and still isn't) a good alternative for subs used by the Swedish Navy:
1. The one advantage of nuclear power is that it allows the sub to stay submerged for a very long time. That's great if you're cruising the oceans, but less of an issue while doing shorter missions in/near an archipelago.
2. One disadvantage of a nuclear reactor is that while operating in the archipelago a minor navigational error might cause a radioactive disaster.
3. Another disadvantage is that a nuclear reactor requires constant cooling, and that cooling system is relatively noisy! It's impossible to lay all quiet on the bottom.
4. I also think a reactor, including containment and "safe zone" requires quite a bit of space that isn't really available when you try to minimize the size of the sub.
2: The reactor is in the back, so they have to ram into something really fast to damange the reactor. Even at that i kind of doubt it. If the reactor room is flodded, there is really no danger of overheating.
3: It really depends on how its reduced in power. If its alreddy in a low power stage the ramp down of power is quite fast and the need of cooling is very limited
Really old thinking. The modern reactors have multiple safety features with automatic shutdown features. Have had those since the late 1950's and even better today. PS: I have first hand experience being aboard a nuclear submarine for months at a time. Don't listen to the talking heads. They are wrong mostly.
@@webbtrekker534 1. Emergency shutdowns are not instant.
2. Reactors need cooling for years even after shutdown. With the presence of cooling being a problem in itself, either as a source of noise or as difficult to provide in/after an emergency, that's also an issue.
3. Even a successful shutdown of the reactor won't prevent problems if/when the core is exposed. Either as a result of a collision or, more likely, after being hit by a mine or torpedo. (As noted above my statements apply to relatively small subs for use in narrow and shallow waters. Not much room for fancy layers of physical protection of the core.)
@@ollep9142 well we talk a second or two for emergancy shut of. So its pretty much instant.
The second point os sort of true, well kind of. But for gen III and specially so gen III+ rectors, the passive cooling is made so it will condense back. This gives them effectivly unlimited cooling.
But also gen 2+ have features to both delay and mitgate meltdowns.
There is also worth saying that there is 100 of zero power rectors around the world that nobody ever talk about, those are by far the most dangerus
@@ollep9142 practically a necropost I know, but you're vastly overestimating how much of a risk submarine reactors pose, the only way they would produce a substantial environmental risk is if a wreck is left there to rot, or if it is blown apart in combat.
As a military interested Swede:
Wait whaaaat?
The nukes I'm familiar with, but a nuclear sub?! Amazing!
same here
Off topic but has Russia tested your air space aggressively again since? I feel so sorry if they try and get ships to Gotland with your terrifyingly quiet subs. I'm pretty sure Gripens would swat Mikoyan's finest from the sky quite handily as well
@@jeffreyhill1011 Nothing has been fired, but sure, they are constantly flying into our air space, and we have to send up Gripens to chase them away.
Most notably are nuclear bomber training missions against our capital with the massive Tupolev's.
If that is not aggressive I don't know what is.
And don't be overconfident. We have great capabilities but our numbers are very low.
Russia has lost a thousand vehicles in Ukraine, while Sweden doesn't even have a thousand to begin with.
We had the fourth largest air force in the world during the cold war. Now we almost can't get 12 Gripens flying at the same time.
Things are changing slooowly. But we still haven't had our "come to Jesus" moment like Germany now has.
@@benghazi4216 are you guys getting Fat Amys? Also have you heard about the Tupolevs that we're doing their normal Alaska run and didn't notice they had Raptors flying under their tails for 30 minutes till they rolled up into view? Good times were had by all parties flying and 0 good times by Russian air ministers lol
Edit: you guys know you are NATO lite so there is no and I mean no fucking way the UK and it's angry rebellious child would let them actually do anything real if it came to that. That's a giant step too far.
Precis vad jag tänkte. Yeah, my reaction too.
Your unscripted is still extraordinary. I have no issues with your sound, and I am hard of hearing. Excellent video as always. Thank you.
Excellent episode and really interesting. The newspaper clip in the Swedish paper describes an anti-nuclear demonstration in London. The signs with different country names are delegations from the respective country. The text also says there was Swedish representation in that protest. ASEA was founded in 1883 and is famous for its high voltage DC distribution and electrical engines. At the time, it was the critical nuclear business for the Swedish civil nuclear program. There are reactors still in use today. ASEA later merged with Swiss company Brown, Boveri, and Cie (BBC) and became the ABB Group, a well-known international company.
As a Swede I really appreciate this video, I had no idea we looked in to a nuclear powered submarine back in the days. Nor did I know that the A11 class was still in service!
As others mentions in the comments ASEA was merged with Brown Boveri to form Asea Brown Boveri that later changed name to ABB.
Your videos are always interesting and filled with good information (instead of juggling clowns), in my opinion one of the best channels on UA-cam.
Have you got enough information to do a video about the A26?
As a Dane I can reveal for you, that Swedish submarine building goes back to 1626 😉 Joking off course.
@@Gert-DK Talk about _off-course…_
As a see-er of ur comments, I commented seeing them.
@@Gert-DKis that a joke of u Danes sinking a Swedish ship? If so, watch ur little tongue, I'm Croat and we share Haplogroup I with them, meaning I'm the defender of Haplogroup I and will defend his Haplogroup I by force, if needed.
@@nemiw4429 We did not sink that ship, they did it themselves.
If the Swedes say we did it, I can only say, they are living too close to Putin, and have learned some bad manners 🙂
OK, you are a Croat, but I am living in the world's largest Kingdom.
Your videos are always excellent and informative. They are actually I think more engaging because of the unscripted nature, it makes them more conversational.
Superb unscripted, no sound issues, excellent information & discussion. All in all, a very well designed & interesting video. Thanks!
Your mic sounds fine. You don't need to apologise for it. I'd not have thought about it if you hadn't.
The early “shark” style drawings look like they may have inspired beloved British 60s TV show “Stingray”
The audio quality may not be suitable for Holywood but it's just fine for this. Crystal clear, I can hear every word easily and the volume is fine. No noticeable noise FYI.
Thanks, good to know
The title sounds almost like clickbait, but the vid is as grounded and informative as ever!
Sweden also had a nuclear weapons program.
@@blegi1245 talk about armed neutrality
I am an old man and I remember the antinuclear demonstrations in the late 60's and early 70's. Those protests and demonstration were huge, so without a doubt it had something to do with the decision to nuclear or not to nuclear.
I never knew I would be so interested in submarines until youtube started suggesting you. Good stuff man.
Same here.
Unscripttd is the best. Those are the ones with juicy details.
As always. Very much appreciated video.
ASEA is one of my favorite companies. They’re still around, called ABB now. They make all kinds of stuff, including the robots that make cars and whatnot. ASEA means Allmänna Svenska Elektriska Aktiebolaget, or General Swedish Electrical AB (AB/Aktiebolag meaning publicly traded stock company). ASEA is pronounced Ah-See-Yah
ur videos are so real, unscript and not perfect audio quality i like very much, its just real content
Much better channel than sub brief, clearer voice and makes the topic so interesting
I don't know anything of Submarines but i love this channel so much. Learning about them.
All of your cutaway diagrams are gorgeous. Really like them!
I love your presentation, it seems so spontaneous. You are certainly increasing my knowledge of submarines.
Another great video. Thank you Sir. Can you do one in Nuclear submarine detection. Both satellite wake detection and antinutreno detection from the subatomic partial reactor emissions that penetrate through all matter
Modern Swedish subs, without a doubt, are the quietest and most dangerous hunter killers out there.
Strv 103, Archer, now this...the Swedes do love their autoloaders
Back in the 50's Sweden could maybe put 800.000 men under arms (7 miljon total population in the 1950's). The bulk of the defense force was crewed by conscripts and every young healthy Swedish man did about 1 year in basic conscript training, around 50.000 men per year. In order to get the whole machine going you need smart solution in order to reduce the need of man power (that was in short supply). Nato or the Warsaw pact didn't have the same kind of problem with shortage of man power. Hence the use of automation in the the Swedish weapons programs.
The Swedish subs was manned by conscripts but the higher ranked officers was career employed.
Check out the S-tank - a main battle tank with an auto loader that could be operated by a single person.
I really enjoy your videos. This channel deserves a lot more subscribers!
3:12 NO YOU DID NOT!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Now that's going to be stuck in my head all dang day, thanks! 😂
I'm gunna name my jonboat "baby shark" lol
Up until just a second or two ago, my impression was that the Swedish Navy were equipped with diesel electric boats only. This wonderfully informative programme highlights my previous ignorance to me and brings to light the true situation and features of Sweden's Submarines.
Many thanks for undertaking the work nessesery to present these programmes.
Could you do a small video showing how you make those illustrations on MS Paint? They're incredibly well done
Try this ua-cam.com/video/PdKkR_lbLN0/v-deo.html
Stop telling us its unscripted. Or 'lets get into it'. just get into it. For a start your lack of script isn't obvious, you speak VERY well and your videos are excellent. Literally my only note is to cut the preamble. You keep making videos i will keep watching them because they're great.
I agree with that, the disclaimer in my view isn't necessary at all.
Great videos,Those cut away drawings are really well done also. I would like to hear more about the X rudder(how does it work?). Thanks.
Try this ua-cam.com/video/qWeg7OCGw4Y/v-deo.html
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Are there cutaways of yours on the 688-class, SSN-21, or 774-classes of SSNs?
Only Virginial Block-V www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/07/us-navys-virginia-class-submarines-get-more-tomahawk-missiles/
I think a requirement here is that you have a domestic nuclear power industry, which Sweden had. For example ASEA Atom.
*Fantastic narration* while also presenting quite an intriguing topic and family of Swedish subs. First time looking up submarine experts on youtube, and initially I landed on an american channel with 4 times the subscribers but 1/4 the level of sophistication, apparent knowledge depth, confidence inspired, and lastly, humility. It was a no-brainer to settle here. Now when I'm at it writing comments here *I'll try my luck and request* another intriguing topic, vessel and UAV - i.e. the *SAAB Sabertooth.*
"You're here for the content anyway...", Yes, yes, I am and thank you for such great material.
Really nice cut away
0:13 Sweden has interesting and unique designs
7:33 Diagram
7:47 13:21 Revolver
9:20 General purpose nuclear propulsion reactor
10:37 Sub possibly designed to sit on bottom
12:19 Small size & crew due to shorter missions
With as quiet as their freaking diesel boats are I'm scared this new sub will just be a vacuum of sound, a void so silent no sound can exist within it's sphere of existence.
Edit, holy shit a fucking gattlinpedo gun..... That's amazing! A wet A-10!
When you need to go Macross with a swarm of torpedoes around a archipelago island...A batch of them from the right and a batch from the left meeting at the target. Beautiful.
Swedish sub goes BRRRt. 😂
@@lars-erikstrid2278 indeed
@@jimurrata6785 would it still sound like BRRRRT being underwater and all? This needs testing and TikTok videos to confirm lmao
I'd say it's less of a Gatling gun than more of a big revolver, which is still pretty good when everybody else is using the torpedo equivalent of a double barrel break action shotgun, or a muzzle loading musket.
Thank you. I was unaware of this class. Very well done!
Yes, I am here for the content, but a better microphone would improve the clarity of that content so I wouldn't have to keep backing-up to listen to what you're saying repeatedly until I understand all the words.
Hi there ! It has been a while that I follow your content. I have watched almost all of your videos but I couldnt find the some answers that I am looking for. Hence, I prefer to write down on comments section about my questions :
- I am interested in the Type 214 submarines and their problems in development phase.
- Why did German Navy has refused to give order to Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft GmbH about Type 214 and prefered to stick to Type 212s?
the Sub. 'd had balast and further balance problems at Papanikolis class submarines in Hellenic Navy. (Their test sub. was almost tipped over %60 side at the tests and almost turned upside down after the heavy torpido firing tests. )
- Turkish partners of that german company in Gölcük have declared that they solved that balance problems by increase the length by 4m and redesigning the balast tanks independently from the main design. German company officials verified that and they accredited and rewarded Navy engineers 2 years ago. BUT German Navy officials have still refused to buy eventhough the design problems were solved. What is really going on with Type 214s?
- How does a 3K tons Submarine tip over or lose control by firing a 533mm Torpedo ?
- Why did Pakistani Navy dropped the contract with germans after 2 years of waiting for that?
there is something fishy and political with those submarines and I still have blindspots. I would be appreciated if you provide some info to enlighten me. Thanks !
Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us. If you don't mention the unscripted no one will notice.
Not sure why this was suggested to me, but I really enjoyed the content. The microphone is fine & being unscripted, isn't a problem as you are obviously very knowledgeable on the subject.
I really love your no script/poor mic disclaimers. It IS about the data, damnit.
The search engine brought it to me- but as you can see, a while after you dropped it. My "use" factor for the Mighty Algorithm has many "military interest" and weapons reviews, so that is likely to give a boost to whom it gives your drop to. Don't stop- I learn a bit from all your offerings. Subbed a long time ago! FR
' H I Sutton ' This Was a GREAT VIDEO!!!
You researched this class sub " ALL THE WAY "!!!!
And as a USN Veteran that was able to exercise with a Gotland-class sub, I am VERY Interested on what you have on that one...... Since I loss to that sub in an exercise!!
USN Veteran
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I'm glad you don't mind the idiots who write about audio. I can't hear a difference any way.
You said, " almost flying underwater " and I was thinking 'aircraft-like forward hyrdroplanes' at the same time.
Your videos are really good! As we're discussing legacy technology I would like to know why WWII german U-boats could dive so much deeper than similar Allie's subs.
This is one of your coolest videos. Won’t find this kind of historical design analysis anywhere else, really. You always end your videos saying that you hope they were interesting-Mr Sutton, sir, you _try_ and make an uninteresting video. I dare you. All of your videos are fascinating. Your website, too.
Really interesting report! Thank you very much sir. I really enjoy the history and modern times of submarines.
5:46 I believe all USN submarines from the Gato-class forward (perhaps earlier) have been either diesel-electric or nuclear. In the case of the Gatos, each boat was equipped with four Fairbanks-Morse or General Motors diesel engines coupled to generators, which in turn either powered the four electric motors (two per shaft) or were used to charge the batteries. Normal procedure for surface operation was to run on three main engines-- two supplying power to the motors, one charging the batteries, and the fourth rested for inspection and maintenance.
Bravo Sweden 🇸🇪👏
Thank you for another superb and informative video. As to spiral fuel tanks, these sound strikingly similar to those used in the wire guided, World War II, German air missile the Ruhrstahl. Thanks again!
very nice video i had no idea sweden had idea for a nuclear sub
Great video as always.
Did the rotating magazine really need to rotate or could just multiple doors exist. Multiple doors would also address the wire guided problem, the tubes could be sealed till needed to avoid the immersed in seawater issue perhaps filled with a fluid friendly to the torpedoes and electronics so the seal wouldn't need to be a pressure seal and could say be a plastic membrane that would just be brokrn through.
As to nuclear subs, was there any RTG subs where a radioisotooe generator which wouldn't be enough for cruising but might be enough for hotel services and trickle charging. Also, maybe do something about the civilian Sagan-N. The Sagan-N was to be a 8 man sub with a SLOWPOKE adiabatic nuclear reactor using Sterling engines to run the generators from the hot water produced. They built the hull for the Sagan-N but a tax dispute between Canada and France killed the project. Had the project continued, the nuclear reactor component would likely have been left out to cut costs amd reduce bureaucracy but still it was quite the concept. Note that the SLOWPOKE reactor is the only nuclear reactor licensed for unattended operation as it is passively safe.
I allways enjoy your videos and honestly it isn't that obvios that the videos unscripted
I love your work. Brilliant
Very interesting, and something I knew nothing about, although I am a Swede, formerly Air force employee! I have seen models of that nuclear reactor at the Army Museum in Stockholm.
Very good video thank you. Could you do a similar video on the Australian Collins Class submarine please?
Very cool, I didn't know Sweden even had a nuclear program.
Australia has announced an intention to acquire nuclear powered (not armed) submarines via a multilateral agreement between the US, UK and Australia. AUKUS. The prevailing view here in Australia seems to assume that we'll acquire an American design with UK electronics, but I'm thinking the Vanguard class would be more appropriate for our navy and its needs. Your views on the topic would be fascinating, H I Sutton.
i really dont see any upside having a nuclear sub vs modern non nuclear in baltic... the sea is so small and like half of it belongs to Finland anyways and the area Swedish subs can and need to operate is like max 1/5 of it.. area between Kaliningrad and Ahvenanmaa. (Åland)
Nuclear submarines have a huge disadvantage in baltic, and that is their heat signature. A modern AIP sub is *much* more stealthy than any nuclear sub when loitering (do you use the word loitering for subs too or is that more a drone thing?)
@@tommihommi1 nah subs don't loiter. They just kick it
@Steven Strain You have a fundamental misunderstanding of thermodynamics
@Steven Strain Nuclear submarines have the fundamental issue of heat. Even in convection mode, they produce a ton of heat from radioactive decay, and that heat needs to go out into the water. This is unavoidable.
In a shallow body of water like the baltic, you can't hide deep under layers. The heat will be visible with satellite imaging.
The US actually started to use the all-electric drive in the 30s with the diesel just running generators.
ASEA merge with Brow/Boweri and created ABB.
In the 70-ties ASEA had a department named ATOM witch develop BWR-power stations with very high standard, sadly just too out of ten is still in production.
I have no record of ASEA develop reactors for propulsion but I think it’s safe to assume a country of 6-7 million people don’t have more than a hand full of people, skilled in the atomic technology.
Can you talk about the type 209 submarine it's one that's very common all around the world and without much Information
The 1958 drawings lead me to some questions. The fore and after pressure hull closures are flat plated instead of elliptical or hemisphereical bulkheads. This would hint that the operating depth may be quite shallow? The reactor plant appears to be a pressurized water unit with two steam generators and a pressurizer visible on the drawing. Also shows a primary shield tank around the reactor vessel. Assuming the Is the secondary shield shown is polyethelene?
Flat bulkheads are found on a number of designs, doesn't necessarily mean not deep diving, at least by the standards of the day. DELTA class SSBNs are a great example, but there are more
Dude, you mic is fine. If I were super knowledgeable and pumping out great content I wouldn't bother mentioning it at all.
Thanks again Mr.
Great video. I would love to know where I can the picture you show at the begging? I'm referring to the one with the sub on the bottom and a couple divers in front.
That's the A-26 class. Official artwork, the submarines are still under construction. See www.hisutton.com/A26.html
@@HISuttonCovertShores Thank you. I really enjoy this piece. It got the imagination going,
There's no sonar in the sonar dome ? Nah, we got a torpedo Gatling Gun instead.
Best bit of real info to appear in my UA-cam stream for, well pretty much forever. As you said don't think your vids are necessarily 'search engine friendly' - interesting discussion for a n other OSI presentation :)
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Please do continue to post. I value greatly what you have to say and keep scanning the feed for something new and as for your characteristic foibles of apology in the preamble a couple of points but suffice to say I am not sure either a'body gets the dissembling manners of etiquette
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I think I'd like to see more of this
Very unique.
Awesome video Thanks from🇺🇸
With the 6 tubes surrounded by the rotary torpedo magazine, how did they fit a sonar? The bow looks very crowded.
*Interesting video!*
FWIW... ASEA --> ASEA Brown-Boveri --> ABB (one of the largest suppliers of electrical generating, industrial and electrical controls in the world)
Your content is fantastic, and sorry, it deserves better sound quality. Start a Patreon so I can help you buy a proper mic.
The Nautilus and Albacore are both museums now, and I think, well worth visiting.
Great work!
A small correction. The Porpoise class of U.S.N. boats had 4 diesels driving 4 electric generators being the first diesel-electric drives of the U.S.N. well before the 1950s. The Salmons went back to two direct drive and two electrical generator. The following Sargos were all electric drive in the late boats and that stuck from then on.
Baby Shark looks gorgeous boat!!
I read somewhere that the Swedes was first with implementing X-rudders on submarines to improve manoeuvrability…
Please double check your comment on Diesel/Electric propulsion. In WWII the Gato and Balao submarines were Diesel/Electric powered. Diesel generators powering electric motors that both propelled the submarine and recharged the batteries. Typically, upon surfacing two engines were dedicated to propulsion and two were used to recharge the batteries. Diesel/Electric is not new to the 1950 era. It has well established by the late 1930's.
Very interesting
Swedish engineering is amazing. A self taught engineer made one of the world's most cutting edge automotive companies: Koenigsegg . Also Swedish engineers were some of the first to call for safety features which are now universal. At a time when America's big automakers were stagnating on safety, Sweden had the tech. When Swedish engineers set out to do their bit, they do a top notch job.
Sweden doesn't do any engineering project halfway. This is a cool sub.
We provide links to your videos on our site. We find them very informative.
Very interesting.
I wonder how loud that torpedo rotary system would have been in a combat situation. Though if your in a torpedo hot and firing situation I don't think it matters at that point. Lol😅