The players union needs to put it in the CBA all teams must have a natural grass field.. Give the Owners 2 years to get it done or no CBA no 18 game season. Fight for it and force the owners to do it. In the end everyone wins.
@@angelceballots8652 its preseason, players dont go 100%, base defenses.....was mahomes, rodgers, elway perfect in his first preseason game.....thats a big no!
How come all the top tier soccer teams in Europe ( many with harsh climates) can consistently maintain the highest quality playing surfaces in the world and the filthy rich NFL can’t ? I don’t think the U.S. has the high quality “groundskeepers” that England and most of Europe have
I can't speak for the premier league teams, but the reason Tepper switched over the Panthers grass to turf was so he could have concerts and other events
The grow outside wheel inside only works for stadiums that were designed to do it as well as the room to grow a field next to the stadium. A place like Ford field would have to have the pallet sized pieces of grass which nrg stadium was using but stopped as it had a similar amount of injuries as turf and cost a lot more money
As a former offensive lineman who played as high as D2, I always preferred turf. The reason for me being that when I reached the top of my kickstep and went to anchor with not only my inertia but also that oven oncoming defensive lineman grass often gave way underneath my cleats which could lead to slipping and slipping, often led to strain, though I was lucky not to get injured for the most part. While others may feel differently about turf It was a relatively predictable surface. I understand that offensive line is different than the “ skill positions” But I always found it reassuring that the ground wasn’t going to give way under my feet.
Older former Athletic Trainer here. Everything you've said about artificial turf is true, especially that it's hard & the friction between the bottom of the shoe & turf [coefficient of friction] is pretty significant. There probably isn't much you can do to lessen the negative impact effects of playing on hard artificial turf. There may be options to lessen the rotational lower body injuries associated with playing on artificial turf. So why doesn't anyone talk about the types of shoes being worn on artificial turf??? On natural grass the players wear cleats that dig into the ground to give them traction. Under a given amount of force [especially torque] the ground [field] gives-way to some extent, before a joint [often a knee] experiences a structural injury, often from rotation where the foot stays planted & the body twists. Well, right now you are stuck with a number of artificial turf fields, that is the given. So if the turf doesn't allow the necessary amount of "give or twisting action" between the shoe & the turf surface then you need to do something to lessen the "grip" / friction of the shoe being used on artificial turf. I suspect that is why pellets are being used on some artificial surfaces now, to help decrease the friction between the turf & the shoe. Remember back when many artificial turf fields felt like green painted asphalt. Many athletes wore flat or near flat sole shoes. Most type of cleats were impractical because you wouldn't sink in to the turf. I remember seeing hundreds of the little black rubber nubs from the "turf shoes" scattered all across artificial turf fields. The friction literally torn them off the bottom of the soft cleated "turf shoes". When deeper & softer padding was introduced under turf, to mimic the "feel of grass", to lower the impact related issues, longer cleats became more popular again. The next practical option is to go to a shoe that offers less than the desired amount of traction or grip. Players need realize they probably shouldn't try to obtain the same degree of traction [grip], similar to what they are accustomed to on grass, when playing on artificial turf. They should probably wear a shoe that offers a lesser degree of traction when playing on artificial turf. Sometimes circumstances dictate that you can't always get what you want, great "grass field like" traction, on artificial turf, without putting yourself at risk for greater risk of a knee injury. You might run a little slower, decrease your ability to push off a little, you might not cut as sharply as you could on a grass field if you wear a lower friction shoe or you need to accept you might have a higher risk of a knee injury, in certain situations, if you don't us a lower grip shoe when playing on artificial turf. A player might have a tissue or structure physically at a point where they are, unknowingly, right on the edge of sustaining an injury if it is subjected to just a little bit more stress than usual. It isn't unreasonable to surmise that some of the turf related injuries might be caused by structures being pushed just a little further as a result of playing on an artificial surface.
Astroturf has been BS since it started like 50 years ago. You’d think as much as these teams pay these athletes they would change to grass. So much technology, been growing grass for forever. I am sure they could figure it out, even in Minnesota. It makes no sense why teams like the cowboys don’t have grass.
Almost every player says they prefer grass. I've never heard a player say they prefer turf or anything other than grass. Fuck what they owners want their field to be, the players are the ones interacting with the field. "Turf is bad" has been a topic every season for awhile.
The Vikings turf was changed this year to turf that has better injury data. It is very nice stuff, and yes will not maybe be as forgiving as natural grass, but it is better stuff from the data currently available. The first thing hosted in the New Vikings stadium was on grass, they had special sod with mesh throughout it to hold it together, that was placed on basically a plastic layer above the turf. Florio should know that as a Vikings fan that they update it, trying to do better for their players.
@@richardpace2484 Sure they still happen. But we KNOW they happen more frequently on turf, especially non-contact ACL, MCL, and Achilles tears. What kind of maniac sets their own product up for failure like that? These guys arent stupid. They do it on purpose to keep these guys injured. More injuries means fewer 8 and 9 digit contracts. What do the owners care? They make most of their money on our cable packages and theres equal profit sharing so theyre all guaranteed to keep getting richer even if the franchise qb gets hurt. They have no incentive to change anything.
@richardpace2484 no one said no injuries happen on grass... But less injuries happen on grass. That's just a fact. If the league cared about player safety and preventing injuries, they'd have grass fields.
Just a tough injury, played on turf in college. The falcons rookie OLB tore his ACL on grass. Grass or turf, you have these gifted players doing cuts, jukes and etc on their lower limbs. Alot of body weight.
I wonder if anyone has ever done a comparison of how much it might cost to put in the grass systems into the design of new stadiums or even renovate for grass in old stadiums vs. how much money has been spent on players who aren't able to play due to injuries likely caused by turf. I know the player cost loss is probably less than I think because of guaranteed vs non-guaranteed money, but I still think there might be an argument that investing money into grass might save you money in sunk costs for injured players.
I don't understand why people don't understand this. Having turf isn't about saving money, having turf allows stadium owners to host other events (like concerts) all year around without destroying the field every time someone else uses it.
@@ratedRblazin420 there are ways around that. You look at Tottenham Hotspur stadium in England that has a grass field and hosts many other events. Including the NFL. Though they do use a turf field for the NFL. So that’s not the best example. But I think the main factor for year round events is indoor vs outdoor. And there are now a lot of ways to have a grass field for an indoor stadium. Whether it’s have a moveable field or UV lamps. When Tottenham Hotspur move their grass field, it goes into the parking structure next to the stadium and then they use UV lamps to keep the grass growing.
Hopefully, the owners are smart and will use this issue to take back some of the power from the players at the next CBA negotiations. We'll put in grass fields if you stop reneging on contracts that YOU signed. Having turf allows owners to host other events during the year as well, it's not just all about being the cheapest option. You can't just build a billion dollar stadium and expect the owners to use it 18-20 times a year, it's just not viable.
Good grass>good turf> bad turf> bad grass I know I’m England they have lamps they roll out on the field to keep from having to move grass in and out of stadiums. That is a relatively new thing in stadiums and I’m assuming the reason is to host concerts and other stuff in the stadiums? May be a silly thought but couldn’t you just put some type of floor above the grass to allow for concerts and other activities within a stadium?
@@ScottDieken I will also say in state that Cartlidge does not grow back. I guess take the information for what it is. Especially if you’re a player that likes to have quick movements that may author the way you play, plants your leg, etc.
A topic that is hardly ever touched on is the tear and wear on the bodies of the newcomers to the NFL : most of them go through 3 years of highly competitive football right at the time of adolescence's growth spurts. And then they spend four years in college football, which for all intent and purpose is indistinguishable from the pros (heavy training, max intensity games, etc). So yeah, for some of these guys the sad truth is that they achieved their dream to play in the NFL... but wrecked their body in the process. 😕
They can do what Real Madrid's Santiago Bernabeu Stadium has. They have a grass pitch and an artificial one for other events. Their grass pitch goes underground and they use lighting and watering to keep it in good shape. The Tottenham Hotspur Stadium does something similar and they host the international games for London NFL games. I feel like there is no reason why the system can't be used everywhere.
Both those stadium developments cost a billion dollars. NFL owners could probably afford that but would rather keep the money. Real Madrid and Spurs 'care more' about their players because they would cost tens of millions to replace.
injury rate the same??? ... espn has come out with various articles throughout the years stating the injuries were more likely and severe on artificial turf and grass is much safer ... so why aren't being brought up
Every game for every team should have grass fields installed. They keep adding games, but owners are rich beyond the dreams of avarice. If they want their star players intact for the playoffs, they'll do it.
It’s about the specific team owners who have turf fields. It’s up to them if they want to revamp their stadiums for real grass. But yea, every owner who doesn’t already have grass can definitely afford it. They just don’t want to pay for it
"Please nobody blow a knee, PLEASE NOBODY BLOW A KNEE!!" as I was watching Denver Vs Indianapolis. Indoor stadiums are cool but that playing surface isn't.
This is absurd NATURAL GRASS EVERYWHERE you look at all these injuries happening, acl, meniscus etc...maybe the NFL has gotten too fast for its own good. All these quick cuts. Also maybe the players need to wear more supportive equipment around their legs/knees. Something (I'm no orthopedic surgeon) that could prevent these kind of injuries
he was going to start. even if darnold started first, he will lose it anyhow at some point. oconnell make some magic early on.... after a couple of games, the magic is gone.... dobbs, mullens.... it will be the same as darnold. u dont go with a qb that has zero personality, throw 5 tds or throw 5 picks, his face will be the same.... u dont go with a guy like that for the whole season, specially when u move up for a another guy in the draft, franchise qb...
It was trending towards McCarthy starting sooner rather than later. The purpose of this season was for McCarthy to grow and develop and go through some rookie growing pains. If they do a full repair and he misses the whole season this year will be a complete waste.
The NFL talks about player safety but if they were serious about it ALL NFL games would be played on real grass fields. But for them it's not about safety it's about the money.
Only 14 fields have grass turf. NFL has done studies and knows grass produces fewer injuries. There is money to be made in designing lighting and water systems for indoor fields that allow grass to be installed.
So...how many SBs have the Vikings been in since decimating their true identity from an outdoor, grass field, thriving in the frozen tundra type of team.....to a finesse, speed, artificial turf team? Zero, zip, zilch, nada.
I seem to recall Dre Greenlaw tearing his achilles hopping onto the grass fromm the sidelines in SF. The playing surface is a red herring. *Maybe* you get a moderately higher rate of injury on turf…but nothing is going to stop these soft tissue injuries.
Greenlaws injury came in the superbowl after they had practiced on an awful turf field all week. One if their coaches had the same injury during the game after being on a crap turf field all week…
You want to grow a grass field that retracts in downtown Minneapolis? I know you mentioned the greenhouse for the early winters affecting the condition of the grass, but where the hell are you going to place a retractable grass field in that lot? It’s a busy city block with roads, buildings and other infrustructure. The stadium would have to reduce like 30% of its footprint to accommodate that, and now you’ve sacrificed all of the grandeur and amenities of US Bank Stadium that make it such a special football venue. Also Minneapolis doesn’t have nearly the sunlight that the wide open lot in Scottsdale, Arizona gets. The days end sooner than the lower latitudes and the noon sun is less intense in Minnesota than it is in Arizona. I know this comment is good for your engagement, which is the whole purpose of the clip. But I don’t see how your suggestion is remotely feasible, especially to the degree that you’re making it sound. I also argue that nothing about US Bank Stadium indicates penny pinching either.
Just so we're clear, the latitude of US Bank is 44.9° N. Lambeau is 44.5° N. Green Bay can do it with a lower buget/non-owner field. You're getting the same light/temp/geography. They're not saying you got super plush grass... just not a dirt field.
@@trevorp875 Absolutely true, though I chose to compare Minnesota with Scottsdale because they actually use the retractable field concept that Florio brought up. Green Bay does use natural turf, but they also have a hard time maintaining a quality playing surface late into the season, in part due to the shortened growing season. Soldier Field also has similar issues maintaining a quality playing surface late into the season, though I do understand that field hosts more events throughout the summer and fall than most stadiums. Now I ask, is a similarly poor turf field that requires a tremendous amount of bending over backwards to accommodate compared to the Vikings new monofilament surface? Personally, I argue no because both surfaces will host injuries, but only the retractable field compromises the quality of the large, well equipped stadium.
@@jwill9877 That’s true in the spring and summer, but not in the fall and winter (the football playing season). Remember that the Arctic circle gets long stretches of night time in the winter as the axis tilts away from the sun.
@@UltraMarcus28 Minneapolis is not in the Arctic circle so it will get sunlight. Minneapolis also already had an outdoor stadium before the Metrodome was built. It's been done once before. I'm not advocating retro fitting to grass. I'm just saying its doable. I think athletes need to wear less grippy shoes when playing on turf. The shoes need to slip when they get hit
This may be a blessing in disguise. JJ isn't ready to be the starting qb yet. Now he has to sit and watch and learn. A lot of times team get off to bad starts and then throw their rookie qb in the fire and it ends up ruining them. Dont worry, Vikings fans, JJ and the team will be better for it.
Good point. But it does suck that he can’t take reps because that’s a huge part of getting ready. There’s a great interview by Edelman with Ernie Adams describing Brady practicing on his own with a third string TE even when there was no chance he’d play. But yes, maybe JJ can become a film rat while rehabbing. Love what the Vikings are doing & hope their fans see a Lombardi in the next few seasons.
Nobody calls for college fields to be changed to grass. Its just the Players crying for more money. Studies find grass and turf have the same injury rates. Im tired of hearing about overpaid nfl players cry about this issue.
Players are dropping like flies during training camp practices on natural grass everyday and it’s crickets from everyone until an injury happens on turf
@@James-ko2uc yes but turf has been around way less than grass and if you calculate the injury rate of turf fields and how long turf fields have even been around you will see that its a high percentage of injuries on turf on average to grass.Grass is much safer than turf
@James-ko2uc turf has higher injury rates period ..head injuries are still injuries last time I checked. If you choose to ignore certain types of injuries then the rates are the same, if you look at all injuries turf is more dangerous period. That combined with the fact that players prefer grass makes it a no brainer... Get grass fields.
The Bills new stadium is going to have a grass field. Most stadiums are partially publicly funded. Fans pay for a good chunk of these stadiums. Billionaires have no reason to complain when they're not paying full price to build a new stadium. As a fan I pay taxes, I want grass to protect players. It's not hard to figure out
It's going to take the money and power of a company like nike or under armor to say "hey our athlete that we are paying a lot of money for is hurt bc of your turf fix it or we don't spend our money here". I don't see that happening anytime soon.
If the NFL was smart... They'd put a grass field over the turf field... You know just like the helmet over a helmet idea! These new caps over the helmets make the NFL look like a construction zone... It's a work in progress.
I think Chicago went to artificial turf when Walter Payton started. Then after his shortened career, went back to natural. He would have had 20k on natural. Sorry if my history memory is no accurate 😜
So if JJ McCarthy get injured again. Will Mike florio label him as injury prone like he did Lamar and spread propaganda how JJ shouldn’t get paid when his deal is up cuz I don’t remember Lamar getting his knee rip up like this. I just wondering 🤔
It’s easy. If you want change, stop buying overpriced jerseys, tickets, and streaming services… if you keep paying the goofy prices, quit crying for change. The fans control everything and do nothing to change it but always cry about everything being overpriced and owners not caring about players. They care about your money, that’s it. And ya keep giving it to them freely
Its just vikings is jinxed. Dont matter if its the feild or not. Lets just finish 2024. And then 25. Vikings ready. Yeah. Oh here's a clue. Make a rule. No more dome. And all grass feilds. 💯. Yeah
That is most unfortunate injury for JJ mccarthy, who was doing what Michigan quarterbacks do, push the envelope and start... How to get interdicted buy something as bonehead is this
Atlanta is way better staked then Vikings ever was 😂😂 and Kirk cousins is sleeping good and licking his chops and thinking damn Vikings never showed me this kinda of love 😂😂 Vikings rookie jj is down for the count and Vikings is trash 🗑️ 🗑️
The curse of the Minnesota sports fan rises again, claiming an innocent victim. If someone or something may make Minnesota sports fans happy it is immediately taken away. Very sad that JJ got caught in this. Hoping for a good recovery.
ALL US FOOTBALL FANS WANT REAL GRASS FIELDS!!
Say whatever you want about Florio he’ll always hold the league accountable always, and that’s respectable
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Especially bout the Vikings
The players union needs to put it in the CBA all teams must have a natural grass field.. Give the Owners 2 years to get it done or no CBA no 18 game season. Fight for it and force the owners to do it.
In the end everyone wins.
He looked great against Raiders, very sad for Vikings.
Looked good against 3rd string, got picked off against a starter.
@@angelceballots8652Two facts in the NFL:
1) Haters gonna hate
2) Raiders still suck
@@angelceballots8652 its preseason, players dont go 100%, base defenses.....was mahomes, rodgers, elway perfect in his first preseason game.....thats a big no!
@@angelceballots8652 and yet you praised your teams guy over the preseason. Funny how that works....
@@lovescamaros1 100% wrong. Guys competing for a roster spot are going 100% effort and hits. Nice try, better luck next time bub
It's nearly impossible to get a great QB, you pay him $55M, and then you make him play on a field where he's more likely to get injured. Ridiculous.
How come all the top tier soccer teams in Europe ( many with harsh climates) can consistently maintain the highest quality playing surfaces in the world and the filthy rich NFL can’t ? I don’t think the U.S. has the high quality “groundskeepers” that England and most of Europe have
It’s simple European teams actually care about their players, the NFL can care less players are a dime a dozen easily replaceable.
@@MrDuds1984
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Not just top tier I live in Eastern Europe we play soccer on grass in every championship and we're broke
In Europe the players refuse to play on turf. If the players demand it then it will happen
I can't speak for the premier league teams, but the reason Tepper switched over the Panthers grass to turf was so he could have concerts and other events
The grow outside wheel inside only works for stadiums that were designed to do it as well as the room to grow a field next to the stadium. A place like Ford field would have to have the pallet sized pieces of grass which nrg stadium was using but stopped as it had a similar amount of injuries as turf and cost a lot more money
you could grow a field hydroponically indoors it really wouldnt be that much more, probably 50,000 watts per hour per day
Start putting it in contracts that if an injury occurs on an artificial turf then the rest of the contract is guaranteed fully.
And the owners would tell you go use your college education and get a job
I don't understand why owners will pay someone $250 million dollars but not replace the turf that will prevent injuries.
the owners are making enough money to pay guys that much without breakin a sweat.
@@babydrippa which would make you think they would have enough money to replace the field to protect their investment.
@@angelcanez4426 they dont care about the players at all, just like any company
replace it, wtf? they just installed that state of the art turf a few years ago with the new stadium, LOL
How do you know it was solely the fault of the turf.
As a former offensive lineman who played as high as D2, I always preferred turf. The reason for me being that when I reached the top of my kickstep and went to anchor with not only my inertia but also that oven oncoming defensive lineman grass often gave way underneath my cleats which could lead to slipping and slipping, often led to strain, though I was lucky not to get injured for the most part. While others may feel differently about turf It was a relatively predictable surface. I understand that offensive line is different than the “ skill positions” But I always found it reassuring that the ground wasn’t going to give way under my feet.
Older former Athletic Trainer here. Everything you've said about artificial turf is true, especially that it's hard & the friction between the bottom of the shoe & turf [coefficient of friction] is pretty significant. There probably isn't much you can do to lessen the negative impact effects of playing on hard artificial turf. There may be options to lessen the rotational lower body injuries associated with playing on artificial turf. So why doesn't anyone talk about the types of shoes being worn on artificial turf???
On natural grass the players wear cleats that dig into the ground to give them traction. Under a given amount of force [especially torque] the ground [field] gives-way to some extent, before a joint [often a knee] experiences a structural injury, often from rotation where the foot stays planted & the body twists. Well, right now you are stuck with a number of artificial turf fields, that is the given. So if the turf doesn't allow the necessary amount of "give or twisting action" between the shoe & the turf surface then you need to do something to lessen the "grip" / friction of the shoe being used on artificial turf. I suspect that is why pellets are being used on some artificial surfaces now, to help decrease the friction between the turf & the shoe.
Remember back when many artificial turf fields felt like green painted asphalt. Many athletes wore flat or near flat sole shoes. Most type of cleats were impractical because you wouldn't sink in to the turf. I remember seeing hundreds of the little black rubber nubs from the "turf shoes" scattered all across artificial turf fields. The friction literally torn them off the bottom of the soft cleated "turf shoes". When deeper & softer padding was introduced under turf, to mimic the "feel of grass", to lower the impact related issues, longer cleats became more popular again.
The next practical option is to go to a shoe that offers less than the desired amount of traction or grip. Players need realize they probably shouldn't try to obtain the same degree of traction [grip], similar to what they are accustomed to on grass, when playing on artificial turf. They should probably wear a shoe that offers a lesser degree of traction when playing on artificial turf.
Sometimes circumstances dictate that you can't always get what you want, great "grass field like" traction, on artificial turf, without putting yourself at risk for greater risk of a knee injury. You might run a little slower, decrease your ability to push off a little, you might not cut as sharply as you could on a grass field if you wear a lower friction shoe or you need to accept you might have a higher risk of a knee injury, in certain situations, if you don't us a lower grip shoe when playing on artificial turf.
A player might have a tissue or structure physically at a point where they are, unknowingly, right on the edge of sustaining an injury if it is subjected to just a little bit more stress than usual. It isn't unreasonable to surmise that some of the turf related injuries might be caused by structures being pushed just a little further as a result of playing on an artificial surface.
Great video as always. Thank you
Astroturf has been BS since it started like 50 years ago. You’d think as much as these teams pay these athletes they would change to grass. So much technology, been growing grass for forever. I am sure they could figure it out, even in Minnesota. It makes no sense why teams like the cowboys don’t have grass.
Almost every player says they prefer grass. I've never heard a player say they prefer turf or anything other than grass. Fuck what they owners want their field to be, the players are the ones interacting with the field. "Turf is bad" has been a topic every season for awhile.
Soccer is way different. The players weigh much less and the "wear areas" are much more spread out.
Just means they’ll get a top pick in the upcoming draft.
Don't sell Darold short.
It’s the Turf
Didnt he play 3-4 years as a starter in college on turf? What happened there
The Vikings turf was changed this year to turf that has better injury data. It is very nice stuff, and yes will not maybe be as forgiving as natural grass, but it is better stuff from the data currently available. The first thing hosted in the New Vikings stadium was on grass, they had special sod with mesh throughout it to hold it together, that was placed on basically a plastic layer above the turf. Florio should know that as a Vikings fan that they update it, trying to do better for their players.
But its still not grass. Every injury that happens on turf is on the owners hands.
@@williamhermann6635 do not act like injuries did not happen on grass. some of the most horrific ones did.
@@richardpace2484 Sure they still happen. But we KNOW they happen more frequently on turf, especially non-contact ACL, MCL, and Achilles tears. What kind of maniac sets their own product up for failure like that? These guys arent stupid. They do it on purpose to keep these guys injured. More injuries means fewer 8 and 9 digit contracts. What do the owners care? They make most of their money on our cable packages and theres equal profit sharing so theyre all guaranteed to keep getting richer even if the franchise qb gets hurt. They have no incentive to change anything.
Grass is better because dirt is malleable. It's not the stuff sticking out of the dirt that matters.
@richardpace2484 no one said no injuries happen on grass... But less injuries happen on grass. That's just a fact. If the league cared about player safety and preventing injuries, they'd have grass fields.
Just a tough injury, played on turf in college. The falcons rookie OLB tore his ACL on grass. Grass or turf, you have these gifted players doing cuts, jukes and etc on their lower limbs. Alot of body weight.
I mean it’s proven that turf is worse for you. Obviously you can get injured anywhere.
I wonder if anyone has ever done a comparison of how much it might cost to put in the grass systems into the design of new stadiums or even renovate for grass in old stadiums vs. how much money has been spent on players who aren't able to play due to injuries likely caused by turf. I know the player cost loss is probably less than I think because of guaranteed vs non-guaranteed money, but I still think there might be an argument that investing money into grass might save you money in sunk costs for injured players.
I don't understand why people don't understand this. Having turf isn't about saving money, having turf allows stadium owners to host other events (like concerts) all year around without destroying the field every time someone else uses it.
@@ratedRblazin420 there are ways around that. You look at Tottenham Hotspur stadium in England that has a grass field and hosts many other events. Including the NFL. Though they do use a turf field for the NFL. So that’s not the best example. But I think the main factor for year round events is indoor vs outdoor. And there are now a lot of ways to have a grass field for an indoor stadium. Whether it’s have a moveable field or UV lamps. When Tottenham Hotspur move their grass field, it goes into the parking structure next to the stadium and then they use UV lamps to keep the grass growing.
Hopefully, the owners are smart and will use this issue to take back some of the power from the players at the next CBA negotiations. We'll put in grass fields if you stop reneging on contracts that YOU signed.
Having turf allows owners to host other events during the year as well, it's not just all about being the cheapest option. You can't just build a billion dollar stadium and expect the owners to use it 18-20 times a year, it's just not viable.
Good grass>good turf> bad turf> bad grass
I know I’m England they have lamps they roll out on the field to keep from having to move grass in and out of stadiums. That is a relatively new thing in stadiums and I’m assuming the reason is to host concerts and other stuff in the stadiums? May be a silly thought but couldn’t you just put some type of floor above the grass to allow for concerts and other activities within a stadium?
I’ve had this exactly injury. I was never the same in any sports. Mentally or physically.
Really. Is that the normal
@@ScottDieken don’t know, I’m just an average Joe playing flag football in my late 20s.
@@ScottDieken I will also say in state that Cartlidge does not grow back. I guess take the information for what it is. Especially if you’re a player that likes to have quick movements that may author the way you play, plants your leg, etc.
I bet you don’t have the best surgeon in the nation operating on you though. Look at Rodgers for example.
I'm hoping Kevin Warren learned his lesson and puts a grass stadium in Chicago.
Florio is just crushed, its written all over his face.
Wishing JJ a full recovery.🙏
I agree that artificial turf is bad, however, couldn't this happen on real grass as well?
Part of these injuries is athletes across all sports are maxing out muscle mass when ligaments don’t work that way they are the same till it’s not
A topic that is hardly ever touched on is the tear and wear on the bodies of the newcomers to the NFL : most of them go through 3 years of highly competitive football right at the time of adolescence's growth spurts. And then they spend four years in college football, which for all intent and purpose is indistinguishable from the pros (heavy training, max intensity games, etc).
So yeah, for some of these guys the sad truth is that they achieved their dream to play in the NFL... but wrecked their body in the process. 😕
They can do what Real Madrid's Santiago Bernabeu Stadium has. They have a grass pitch and an artificial one for other events. Their grass pitch goes underground and they use lighting and watering to keep it in good shape. The Tottenham Hotspur Stadium does something similar and they host the international games for London NFL games. I feel like there is no reason why the system can't be used everywhere.
Both those stadium developments cost a billion dollars. NFL owners could probably afford that but would rather keep the money. Real Madrid and Spurs 'care more' about their players because they would cost tens of millions to replace.
@tobermoryx3700 you realize most of these are payed for with taxes yes?
injury rate the same??? ... espn has come out with various articles throughout the years stating the injuries were more likely and severe on artificial turf and grass is much safer ... so why aren't being brought up
Thanks for this video, I will push as well; SKOL!🙌💜
This should be called "repress your Italian" the show
Did you want them to cook you some spaghetti or something?
Maybe players should take a pay cut if they want grass instead 😂 Owners need their money too!!!
Yeah, those yachts, limousines and trophy wives really do add up. 🤣
The perfect stadium would be a domed, grass field.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the us bank stadium already a green house?. It gets natural sunlight
Every game for every team should have grass fields installed. They keep adding games, but owners are rich beyond the dreams of avarice. If they want their star players intact for the playoffs, they'll do it.
GRASS MANDATORY.
The NFL can afford to have grass on every field.
If they go to an 18 game season an additional bye week should be considered.
Keep cost low and price high
It’s about the specific team owners who have turf fields. It’s up to them if they want to revamp their stadiums for real grass. But yea, every owner who doesn’t already have grass can definitely afford it. They just don’t want to pay for it
@@LikeSnoop Most of them only paid a fraction for the stadium anyway, they always work out deals where the city pays for most of it.
If the NFL mandated it they would have to comply.
The answer is investing in domes for snowy states
Isnt a retractable dome, basically an improved dome like in MN? Maybe your confused here
"Please nobody blow a knee, PLEASE NOBODY BLOW A KNEE!!" as I was watching Denver Vs Indianapolis. Indoor stadiums are cool but that playing surface isn't.
I’m sick of this BS with my team, it always feels like anytime we draft someone high they end up getting hurt. We can never have anything nice.
lots of high drafts never were injured, get over yourself lol
@@srobeck77 christian darrisaw missed the first four games his rookie yr, Lewis cine missed entire rookie season broken leg. Get over yourself
Mike used to play with his hair in high school
Wilfs literally just installed a new different turf this offseason
This is absurd
NATURAL GRASS EVERYWHERE
you look at all these injuries happening, acl, meniscus etc...maybe the NFL has gotten too fast for its own good. All these quick cuts. Also maybe the players need to wear more supportive equipment around their legs/knees. Something (I'm no orthopedic surgeon) that could prevent these kind of injuries
They were starting with Sam Darnold. JJ can heal. He wasn't going to start.
he was going to start. even if darnold started first, he will lose it anyhow at some point. oconnell make some magic early on.... after a couple of games, the magic is gone.... dobbs, mullens.... it will be the same as darnold. u dont go with a qb that has zero personality, throw 5 tds or throw 5 picks, his face will be the same.... u dont go with a guy like that for the whole season, specially when u move up for a another guy in the draft, franchise qb...
It was trending towards McCarthy starting sooner rather than later. The purpose of this season was for McCarthy to grow and develop and go through some rookie growing pains. If they do a full repair and he misses the whole season this year will be a complete waste.
You say that like this doesn't matter at all
@@MrSchwank111 He will still be able to learn and be there at practice and on the sidelines I'd Imagine
He was going to start. It’s obvious to anyone in the community. Even our local radio knew
The NFL talks about player safety but if they were serious about it ALL NFL games would be played on real grass fields.
But for them it's not about safety it's about the money.
Only 14 fields have grass turf. NFL has done studies and knows grass produces fewer injuries. There is money to be made in designing lighting and water systems for indoor fields that allow grass to be installed.
So...how many SBs have the Vikings been in since decimating their true identity from an outdoor, grass field, thriving in the frozen tundra type of team.....to a finesse, speed, artificial turf team? Zero, zip, zilch, nada.
I seem to recall Dre Greenlaw tearing his achilles hopping onto the grass fromm the sidelines in SF. The playing surface is a red herring. *Maybe* you get a moderately higher rate of injury on turf…but nothing is going to stop these soft tissue injuries.
Greenlaws injury came in the superbowl after they had practiced on an awful turf field all week. One if their coaches had the same injury during the game after being on a crap turf field all week…
This may sound stupid, but with today's technology, why can't we make the artificial turf softer. Does it really need to have a cement base?
You want to grow a grass field that retracts in downtown Minneapolis?
I know you mentioned the greenhouse for the early winters affecting the condition of the grass, but where the hell are you going to place a retractable grass field in that lot? It’s a busy city block with roads, buildings and other infrustructure. The stadium would have to reduce like 30% of its footprint to accommodate that, and now you’ve sacrificed all of the grandeur and amenities of US Bank Stadium that make it such a special football venue.
Also Minneapolis doesn’t have nearly the sunlight that the wide open lot in Scottsdale, Arizona gets. The days end sooner than the lower latitudes and the noon sun is less intense in Minnesota than it is in Arizona.
I know this comment is good for your engagement, which is the whole purpose of the clip. But I don’t see how your suggestion is remotely feasible, especially to the degree that you’re making it sound. I also argue that nothing about US Bank Stadium indicates penny pinching either.
Just so we're clear, the latitude of US Bank is 44.9° N. Lambeau is 44.5° N. Green Bay can do it with a lower buget/non-owner field. You're getting the same light/temp/geography. They're not saying you got super plush grass... just not a dirt field.
@@trevorp875 Absolutely true, though I chose to compare Minnesota with Scottsdale because they actually use the retractable field concept that Florio brought up. Green Bay does use natural turf, but they also have a hard time maintaining a quality playing surface late into the season, in part due to the shortened growing season. Soldier Field also has similar issues maintaining a quality playing surface late into the season, though I do understand that field hosts more events throughout the summer and fall than most stadiums.
Now I ask, is a similarly poor turf field that requires a tremendous amount of bending over backwards to accommodate compared to the Vikings new monofilament surface? Personally, I argue no because both surfaces will host injuries, but only the retractable field compromises the quality of the large, well equipped stadium.
You got it backwards. The amount of daylight is longer up north. Its less intense, but its doable.
@@jwill9877 That’s true in the spring and summer, but not in the fall and winter (the football playing season). Remember that the Arctic circle gets long stretches of night time in the winter as the axis tilts away from the sun.
@@UltraMarcus28 Minneapolis is not in the Arctic circle so it will get sunlight. Minneapolis also already had an outdoor stadium before the Metrodome was built. It's been done once before. I'm not advocating retro fitting to grass. I'm just saying its doable. I think athletes need to wear less grippy shoes when playing on turf. The shoes need to slip when they get hit
Will his knee ever be the same again, will it alter his mechanics and mobility permanently for the rest of his career?
This may be a blessing in disguise. JJ isn't ready to be the starting qb yet. Now he has to sit and watch and learn. A lot of times team get off to bad starts and then throw their rookie qb in the fire and it ends up ruining them. Dont worry, Vikings fans, JJ and the team will be better for it.
Good point. But it does suck that he can’t take reps because that’s a huge part of getting ready. There’s a great interview by Edelman with Ernie Adams describing Brady practicing on his own with a third string TE even when there was no chance he’d play. But yes, maybe JJ can become a film rat while rehabbing. Love what the Vikings are doing & hope their fans see a Lombardi in the next few seasons.
How would you know he isn't ready? Idc either way but weird for you to proclaim you know something you don't. Then again, this is the internet..
KOC was starting Darnold regardless.
You learn by getting reps... this is bad no matter how you slice it, sorry
@@brandonwilson4740because KOC literally said he was gonna sit behind darnold this year regardless.
The whole stadium is glass, it is a greenhouse....... it would smell great in there too.
Nobody calls for college fields to be changed to grass. Its just the Players crying for more money. Studies find grass and turf have the same injury rates. Im tired of hearing about overpaid nfl players cry about this issue.
Something else for Mile Florio to cry about 😭🙄🤦♂️
Players are dropping like flies during training camp practices on natural grass everyday and it’s crickets from everyone until an injury happens on turf
There is no scientific debate you can make that turf is better than grass
@@abdeenabdul7803 I’m not saying it’s better, I’m just saying guys are getting hurt on natural grass all the time
@@James-ko2uc yes but turf has been around way less than grass and if you calculate the injury rate of turf fields and how long turf fields have even been around you will see that its a high percentage of injuries on turf on average to grass.Grass is much safer than turf
@James-ko2uc turf has higher injury rates period ..head injuries are still injuries last time I checked. If you choose to ignore certain types of injuries then the rates are the same, if you look at all injuries turf is more dangerous period. That combined with the fact that players prefer grass makes it a no brainer... Get grass fields.
The Bills new stadium is going to have a grass field. Most stadiums are partially publicly funded. Fans pay for a good chunk of these stadiums. Billionaires have no reason to complain when they're not paying full price to build a new stadium. As a fan I pay taxes, I want grass to protect players. It's not hard to figure out
Injuries happen regardless
It's going to take the money and power of a company like nike or under armor to say "hey our athlete that we are paying a lot of money for is hurt bc of your turf fix it or we don't spend our money here". I don't see that happening anytime soon.
I don’t wanna hear another word from the NFL about player safety until they remove turf from all NFL stadiums
Im with you. Not another word about safety until they remove full contract and go to 2 hand touch or flag football.
@@srobeck77 Lmao, who tf wants that?
@@Jasmine-jl9kb not me, but if we're all in on safety.....
The only smart thing mark davis has done is put grass in their dome not turf
Maybe the useless 360 throws had something to do with JJ's knee
God astroturf was the beginning of so many injuries, life long injuries
Cant you just get a bunch of grow lights when the stadium isnt in use? Also soccer stadiums indoors have a bunch of easily movable 10x10 squares?
So Caleb Williams floats on clouds when he moves and JJ McCarthy has jackhammers for legs???
Yeah a bit insulting. I wonder though they were making him change his mechanics if that had anything to do with it
Start at 6:36 for full floriorinism 🤌🇮🇹
Florio is a wannabe Italian . Born and raised in the US,doubt he speaks the language or has ever even been to Italy.
must be very bad meniscus in order to miss the whole season
these guys played their entire collegiate career on turf
Turf blows; might as well play in the parking lot outside of the stadium.
If the NFL was smart... They'd put a grass field over the turf field... You know just like the helmet over a helmet idea! These new caps over the helmets make the NFL look like a construction zone... It's a work in progress.
I think Chicago went to artificial turf when Walter Payton started. Then after his shortened career, went back to natural. He would have had 20k on natural. Sorry if my history memory is no accurate 😜
Sparks turf field issue??! This is like 100th turf injury…..
I'm not going to watch any NFL games this year played on artificial turf.
But you illegally stream them anyways, so you dont really count.....
The Walton Penner group cares. They spent $100,000 on a meaningless game resurfacing the @EmpowerField at Mile High. 🧡💙
So if JJ McCarthy get injured again. Will Mike florio label him as injury prone like he did Lamar and spread propaganda how JJ shouldn’t get paid when his deal is up cuz I don’t remember Lamar getting his knee rip up like this. I just wondering 🤔
Retractable roof like the Mariners have. It only takes money $$$
I've always said anything artificial is being A Cheap A$$, your paying millions on your Product just to put them on a Crappy Surface.
I don’t care how difficult it is to replace the turf. You made over $13 billion in profit last year. Figure it out.
Dude got a spotlight on his neck
Cousins hit men*
Trade for Trey Lance asap !
Turf is and has always been garbage
It’s easy. If you want change, stop buying overpriced jerseys, tickets, and streaming services… if you keep paying the goofy prices, quit crying for change. The fans control everything and do nothing to change it but always cry about everything being overpriced and owners not caring about players. They care about your money, that’s it. And ya keep giving it to them freely
Its just vikings is jinxed. Dont matter if its the feild or not. Lets just finish 2024. And then 25. Vikings ready. Yeah. Oh here's a clue. Make a rule. No more dome. And all grass feilds. 💯. Yeah
I hope they cancel the season 😢
You guys are a broken record with this
They need to. Many teams have injury problems because of a simply jogging on the artificial field. Not even contact with anyone.
Teddy Bridgewater anyone ?
Ill take Fran Tarkenton if were doing MN fantasy QB's now
That is most unfortunate injury for JJ mccarthy, who was doing what Michigan quarterbacks do, push the envelope and start...
How to get interdicted buy something as bonehead is this
plastic kills
The history of bosses and employee safety is well documented. The CTENFL will always choose the $ over the health of the player.
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Meanwhile,
*Everyone criticizing the Falcons*
“WhY DiD ThEy DrAfT a QB In ThE ToP 10 AfTeR ThEy PaId KiRk CoUsInS?”🤔
Falcons are totally screwed either way at a SB run now. Sucks for them fools, lol
There is no issue. Turf fields are terrible and NFL owners are cheap. Next
Atlanta is way better staked then Vikings ever was 😂😂 and Kirk cousins is sleeping good and licking his chops and thinking damn Vikings never showed me this kinda of love 😂😂 Vikings rookie jj is down for the count and Vikings is trash 🗑️ 🗑️
Capitalism at its finest lmao
Florio gonna cry in the car
Michigan has a grass field, just saying
and all college games were played there? wonder how they scheduled that......
The curse of the Minnesota sports fan rises again, claiming an innocent victim. If someone or something may make Minnesota sports fans happy it is immediately taken away. Very sad that JJ got caught in this. Hoping for a good recovery.
stop whining and grow out of that non-sense. all teams have injuries
How can the US not afford grass when everywhere in Europe we play soccer on grass? Injuries are guaranteed on turf!
They can afford glass...but they want to throw concerts in the stadium in between NFL games, and the concerts ruin grass.
They can afford grass...but they want to throw concerts in the stadium in between NFL games, and the concerts ruin grass.
Left him in the game too long. Should have yanked him after the first td.