Dr. David Bentley Hart on That All Shall Be Saved - Session 3: Meditation 3
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- This week, we are releasing audio from a book study of That All Shall Be Savedfeaturing its author, Dr. David Bentley Hart. The book study took place at St. Benedict's Anglican Catholic Church in Chapel Hill, North Carolina. This is the third session.
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Will the real David Bently Hart please stand up !!!! Lol😊
But really, this is very listenable and thanks guys....
The young man who came in and said something about the forgiving of his enemies was the fruitage of this so called Universalism.
When i first tried this thing on for size i immediately saw that i now had compassion for my "enemies" and loving them was no longer a LAW.... Wonderful, just wonderful.... So now the living spirit is acting on our hearts....
I see the celebating and celebrating by church members of certain wicked ones being sent to hell by the God of the traditional church, as the fruit of wicked doctrine.
Also, unisalve naturally cures us of selfrighteous, in that the poor souls living in tents under bridges are now really our brothers again and theres no more looking down our noses.... If interpretation of scripture doesnt cure.... then its wrong....
All the best guys with brotherly love....
Wonderful discussion! While listening, I couldn’t help thinking of an episode of The Twilight Zone, in which a couple received a box. If they pressed the button, they would come into a huge sum of money, but somewhere, someone would die, and the box would go to new people - who may, or may not, press that button to secure their well-being at someone else’s death.
It seems much like the salvation game in which the number of people allowed on the lifeboat must be limited so there is room for the elect, who would appear to be OK to press the button and secure their salvation at the price of the damnation of others.
@Truthoverimagination
A loving God would not secure my salvation and the cost of an act of violence.
i can't believe anyone would try to claim universalism came from gnosticism, that's wild.
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38:45 brings to mind...
The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed. Good were it for that man if he had never been born.
Mrk14:21
St John Chrysostom's Easter sermon makes no sense when read from an infernalist POV.
The saving work of Christ is a huge failure if its true that there are people forever in hell.
Is it a failure if Satan is in hell forever? Genuine question btw. I'm trying to learn and understand what people think on these issues.
The focus in UR discussions always seems to be on human beings (which is good because Jesus commands us to love our neighbor as ourself, not to love Satan), but I'm just wondering if you see any shortcoming with the work of the cross if the Devil and his angels were to wind up forever in hell?
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Why are people still talking and arguing about myth and fantasy?
They aren’t. If you want Fantasy read Daniel Dennett. 😂
Why would you even bother to comment on videos like these?
@@countryboyred Good question.
I'm fascinated by Dr. Hart's claim that universalism (explicit or implicit) was the norm in Orthodoxy prior to an influx of Protestant converts. Not at all saying he's lying, but I'd love to see some documentation for that. Clearly there's a wide variety of opinion within Orthodoxy, and I'm no expert, but other than the Cappadocians I'm not aware of any major Fathers hinting at universalism until the 19th century.
Thank you for posting these videos, they've been very thought-provoking!
St. Isaac the Syrian who is like the single greatest cornerstone of Orthodox monasticism.
Just listened to that part and he said the larger intellectual circles of Orthodoxy when he joined. He's mentioned before meyendorff and schmemann. Also Olivier clement and evdokimov as well as Andrew Louth. Kallistos ware. John Behr. Once upon a time hilarion alfeyev. As well as many people who prefer to keep it private and he won't out them.
@@epektasis_shunyata Isaac the Syrian is a good call! So pre-19th century we’ve got the Cappadocians and Isaac?
@@epektasis_shunyata btw not trying to be antagonistic, this is a fascinating subject for me and I’m trying to reconcile the recent popularity of the view with the historical record and the Orthodox conception of Holy Tradition. Thanks!
It's no problem. For someone like me, whether or not there has been a break in that tradition doesn't really matter just the truth of it. There are other reasons why a true tradition would lose continuity, such as despotic control of the narrative which I think we have positive proof of, what with burning heretics and all that. But at any rate there has always been a tradition throughout the ages. There's Solomon of bosra in the 13th century. Maximus the confessor probably was one in the 6th and 7th. Illaria Ramelli has a massive book on the continuity of the universalist tradition, which to be clear has been the minority since the 5th century but was the majority before that. It also happens to be true.