In case you're looking for his essay version of this talk, you can find it in his book, "The Hidden and the Manifest: Essays in Theology and Metaphysics," essay 13. Death, Final Judgement, and the Meaning of Life
Absolutely fantastic. This will contribute greatly to my spiritual development. I loved how he started his narrative with a reflection on human consciousness. Hart's thoughts are exciting, and his way of thinking is quite beautiful.
Ariiel11RP I believe he is a Christian because he takes the resurrection not only as a historical fact, but because the resurrection vindicates our primitive intuition that death really is unnatural (which is what he says in the video, more or less). Now, Hart usually relies on experience rather than empirical observation to support his claims. So, in this spirit, he relies on one’s moral, mystical, and emotional experiences of the world to act as guides to any revealed text; that is, if a text seems to violate one’s moral conscience, it is probably false OR is being interpreted incorrectly (as in the story of Noah). I think, at the end of the day, Hart would say, “I am a Christian because it conforms to my own experience of God and offers the most morally and intellectually compelling answer to the question of evil and the reality of death.“ As far as Hart’s hermeneutics are concerned, I think he probably takes most of the Bible to be allegorical (as Augustine did), but maintains the literal historical resurrection of Jesus. I’v not actually read him as much as you probably think. I’v read Doors to The Sea, The Experience of God, and a selection of essays called The Hidden and The Manifest. I am by no means an expert in interpreting this man’s writings (least of all his Beauty of The Infinite, which left me with not a single intelligible idea). I’m really glad you asked this question. I have personally been at odds with accepting anything except the bare notion of God as “the infinite wellspring of being”, the Being of beings, or [being consciousness bliss], or what have you. Christianity seems to me to be so deep and complicated that I’ll just never understand it in any measure that would matter (it feels like I’m a five-year-old reading Shakespeare). The chief reason, though, that Hart is a Christian, I believe, is that it offers the best answer to the problem of evil; that is, it maintains the human intuition that evil is in fact evil, and promises that, in the end, God will be “All in all” Personally, at least at this time, I simply don’t know what to make of any special revelation. I’m really not sure what conditions need to be satisfied before I’m sent “over the edge” But perhaps that’s just a matter of time and moral reflection. And, given the reality-shattering notion of God that Hart presents, I don’t think an authentic Christianity is as far away from me as it was a few years ago. If you’re interested, I think some insight can be gained about Hart’s views by reading one of his articles and watching one of his interviews: Article journal.radicalorthodoxy.org/index.php/ROTPP/article/view/135/86 (Download the PDF) Interview ua-cam.com/video/zIZ_TrtKnj8/v-deo.html (The first half is a good hint into what he thinks Christianity IS). That article is probably the best of his that I’v read. I really appreciate your question. It’s often difficult to know what I’m thinking about if I don’t present it to someone else who expects, rightfully so, for my ideas to be sensical. Basically, conversation forces me to think about what I think I believe. If the jumbled mess up top doesn’t help, I’m sure that article and video will.
Ariiel11RP Ok, I should’ve found this before I made that long comment. That article and interview are still very relevant, but I think THIS is what you’re actually looking for: ua-cam.com/video/2ZTuhme8mwk/v-deo.html
47:53 "And then maybe even that strange, and haunting, and irrecoverable immediacy of the small child's experience of the world is a foretaste of our true home"
The resurrection of Christ answers the most profound question of life: is there life after death? God created the cosmos and God redeemed it through the cross of Jesus.
What? The sovereign Almighty omniscient God of the Universe having to resort to plan B 1:00:50 hahaha Don't think David has thought that one through, Hey God why didn't your plan A work, did you miss the mark ?, oops that's the definition of sin . Did David just call God a sinner? Then he goes and says that God makes no ontological sense creating death for plan A , like if God had created it only to use in his plan B when he was thinking creation through. David is just denying God is the creator of all things in the Universe and as such is the causal Agent of all things in the Universe including evil and God straight out says he is in Isaiah 45:7, and . "shall disaster come to a city and the Lord has not done it " Amos 3:6 Some clowns try and say evil is a no thing to get God out of the blame for evil but God doesn't want or need their creativety , in fact didn't he plonk a tree of the knowledge of good and evil in a garden and call the combination very good. And don't forget God doesn't sin. He says you cant find many cheerful optimistic passages about death in the bible but I seem to recall the apostle Paul saying it was desirable if he died and went to be with Christ but he had to do a few things here first
@@chanting_germ. If you say something went astray with God's plan , your saying God made a mistake, overlooked something or whatever which is nonsense, in fact it ranks right up there with dumbest things ever said ; it is the same thing as calling God a sinner and denying His power and sovereignty. Scripture teaches God is absolutely sovereign, creator of all things and in charge of all things . Theodicies are ridiculous , doomed to failure because they presuppose that God does not do evil whereas the book of Jeremiah alone records 35 instances of God either doing evil or repenting of the evil He had planned to do because those in the firing line bucked up their ideas
@@nevbillett7554 You are more comfortable saying that God can directly do evil than that God can allow His free creatures to choose between different possible paths all within His plan.
@@pamarks You make such a remark because you do not know the word of God : " It is the Lord who guides a man's step, how then can anyone know his own way " Proverb 20 :24 The book of Jeremiah alone records over 30 instances of God either doing evil or repenting of the evil He had planned to do because the people He planned to do it to bucked up their ideas Amos 3:6 when evil befalls a city , surely the Lord has done it ; Isaiah 45:7 and many others can be cited also Evil is a tool in the Lord's hands to correct people, even when He uses the evil of death in this age He resurrects all in the next age and brings them all into subjection to Himself 1Corinthians 15:22-28 His will, will be done on earth as it is in Heaven Jesus Almighty Revelation 1:8 may let you decide to wear a pink or a blue shirt and temporarily sin (break His law 1John 3:4) but you have no choice on whether you will ultimately keep His laws because He is going to write them on our hearts and praise His Holy Name no one can stop Him Daniel 4:35 Isaiah 55:11. He does not lead us into temptation but delivers us from evil Every word that comes out of His mouth is Law and He has declared that man will live by every word that preceeds from the mouth of God Matthew 4:4 ; not one dot or stroke of a letter will in any way disappear from the law until all things be fulfilled Matthew 5:17 All things are fulfilled when all the King of Kings subjects (citizens of His Kingdom), are subjected (obey His Laws) to Him so that God is all in all 1Corinthians 15:22-28
In my opinion David doesn't give any solution to his paradoxical statements that death on the one hand is the source of meaning of life and on the other hand deathe is evil and hidious. I guess he doesn't know the answer. Otherwise he would have presented it. I mean no offense to him because I think that nobody has got a satisfying answer. For me resurrection may be a kind of solution but not an answer to this mystery.
Pius Hälg Hart wrote an article about death on the FirstThings website in which his conclusion, simply stated, is that we simply don’t understand death. In another article entitled “Radical Orthodoxy” he postulates that we shall never know the meaning of death (or of suffering) until the world has reached some consummation (in which the final cause which directs the world is revealed and all is made known at the world’s conclusion). In short, it’s a non-answer with the reminder of the promise God makes about resurrection and the love of Jesus. I could send you those links if you’re interested so you could read them yourself. I’m sure they are more profound than the boiled down version I just gave.
@@whoami8434 I'm afraid I'm a bit late, but having stumbled again over this speech I thank you for your answer and would gladly accept your offer to give me the links you mentioned above.
Pius Hälg It’s been a while since I’ve read them. I hope these are the right ones. Radical orthodoxy article: journal.radicalorthodoxy.org/index.php/ROTPP/article/download/135/86 First things article: www.firstthings.com/article/2012/06/death-the-stranger They’re a bit dense and difficult to understand without any technical background, but if you have a dictionary and a lot of spare time you can get the main idea. I had a particularly hard time with them (but I’m something of a simpleton myself). Good luck.
Absolutely blows every easter sermon I've ever heard out of the water
Yes
In case you're looking for his essay version of this talk, you can find it in his book, "The Hidden and the Manifest: Essays in Theology and Metaphysics," essay 13. Death, Final Judgement, and the Meaning of Life
Absolutely fantastic. This will contribute greatly to my spiritual development. I loved how he started his narrative with a reflection on human consciousness. Hart's thoughts are exciting, and his way of thinking is quite beautiful.
This is slowly changing my life.
Ariiel11RP
I believe he is a Christian because he takes the resurrection not only as a historical fact, but because the resurrection vindicates our primitive intuition that death really is unnatural (which is what he says in the video, more or less). Now, Hart usually relies on experience rather than empirical observation to support his claims. So, in this spirit, he relies on one’s moral, mystical, and emotional experiences of the world to act as guides to any revealed text; that is, if a text seems to violate one’s moral conscience, it is probably false OR is being interpreted incorrectly (as in the story of Noah). I think, at the end of the day, Hart would say, “I am a Christian because it conforms to my own experience of God and offers the most morally and intellectually compelling answer to the question of evil and the reality of death.“ As far as Hart’s hermeneutics are concerned, I think he probably takes most of the Bible to be allegorical (as Augustine did), but maintains the literal historical resurrection of Jesus.
I’v not actually read him as much as you probably think. I’v read Doors to The Sea, The Experience of God, and a selection of essays called The Hidden and The Manifest. I am by no means an expert in interpreting this man’s writings (least of all his Beauty of The Infinite, which left me with not a single intelligible idea). I’m really glad you asked this question. I have personally been at odds with accepting anything except the bare notion of God as “the infinite wellspring of being”, the Being of beings, or [being consciousness bliss], or what have you. Christianity seems to me to be so deep and complicated that I’ll just never understand it in any measure that would matter (it feels like I’m a five-year-old reading Shakespeare). The chief reason, though, that Hart is a Christian, I believe, is that it offers the best answer to the problem of evil; that is, it maintains the human intuition that evil is in fact evil, and promises that, in the end, God will be “All in all” Personally, at least at this time, I simply don’t know what to make of any special revelation. I’m really not sure what conditions need to be satisfied before I’m sent “over the edge” But perhaps that’s just a matter of time and moral reflection. And, given the reality-shattering notion of God that Hart presents, I don’t think an authentic Christianity is as far away from me as it was a few years ago.
If you’re interested, I think some insight can be gained about Hart’s views by reading one of his articles and watching one of his interviews:
Article
journal.radicalorthodoxy.org/index.php/ROTPP/article/view/135/86
(Download the PDF)
Interview
ua-cam.com/video/zIZ_TrtKnj8/v-deo.html
(The first half is a good hint into what he thinks Christianity IS).
That article is probably the best of his that I’v read. I really appreciate your question. It’s often difficult to know what I’m thinking about if I don’t present it to someone else who expects, rightfully so, for my ideas to be sensical. Basically, conversation forces me to think about what I think I believe. If the jumbled mess up top doesn’t help, I’m sure that article and video will.
Ariiel11RP
Ok, I should’ve found this before I made that long comment. That article and interview are still very relevant, but I think THIS is what you’re actually looking for:
ua-cam.com/video/2ZTuhme8mwk/v-deo.html
Amen
47:53 "And then maybe even that strange, and haunting, and irrecoverable immediacy of the small child's experience of the world is a foretaste of our true home"
58:01 holy crap, is that Fr. John Behr asking the question?
I've lost count of many times I've watched this video. Can't quite figure out why.
Wow. Beautiful.
The resurrection of Christ answers the most profound question of life: is there life after death? God created the cosmos and God redeemed it through the cross of Jesus.
Incredible
I love his reflections.
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What? The sovereign Almighty omniscient God of the Universe having to resort to plan B 1:00:50 hahaha Don't think David has thought that one through, Hey God why didn't your plan A work, did you miss the mark ?, oops that's the definition of sin . Did David just call God a sinner? Then he goes and says that God makes no ontological sense creating death for plan A , like if God had created it only to use in his plan B when he was thinking creation through. David is just denying God is the creator of all things in the Universe and as such is the causal Agent of all things in the Universe including evil and God straight out says he is in Isaiah 45:7, and . "shall disaster come to a city and the Lord has not done it " Amos 3:6 Some clowns try and say evil is a no thing to get God out of the blame for evil but God doesn't want or need their creativety , in fact didn't he plonk a tree of the knowledge of good and evil in a garden and call the combination very good. And don't forget God doesn't sin. He says you cant find many cheerful optimistic passages about death in the bible but I seem to recall the apostle Paul saying it was desirable if he died and went to be with Christ but he had to do a few things here first
Safe journey.
@@chanting_germ. If you say something went astray with God's plan , your saying God made a mistake, overlooked something or whatever which is nonsense, in fact it ranks right up there with dumbest things ever said ; it is the same thing as calling God a sinner and denying His power and sovereignty. Scripture teaches God is absolutely sovereign, creator of all things and in charge of all things . Theodicies are ridiculous , doomed to failure because they presuppose that God does not do evil whereas the book of Jeremiah alone records 35 instances of God either doing evil or repenting of the evil He had planned to do because those in the firing line bucked up their ideas
@@nevbillett7554 You are more comfortable saying that God can directly do evil than that God can allow His free creatures to choose between different possible paths all within His plan.
@@pamarks You make such a remark because you do not know the word of God : " It is the Lord who guides a man's step, how then can anyone know his own way " Proverb 20 :24
The book of Jeremiah alone records over 30 instances of God either doing evil or repenting of the evil He had planned to do because the people He planned to do it to bucked up their ideas
Amos 3:6 when evil befalls a city , surely the Lord has done it ; Isaiah 45:7 and many others can be cited also
Evil is a tool in the Lord's hands to correct people, even when He uses the evil of death in this age He resurrects all in the next age and brings them all into subjection to Himself 1Corinthians 15:22-28
His will, will be done on earth as it is in Heaven
Jesus Almighty Revelation 1:8 may let you decide to wear a pink or a blue shirt and temporarily sin (break His law 1John 3:4) but you have no choice on whether you will ultimately keep His laws because He is going to write them on our hearts and praise His Holy Name no one can stop Him Daniel 4:35 Isaiah 55:11. He does not lead us into temptation but delivers us from evil Every word that comes out of His mouth is Law and He has declared that man will live by every word that preceeds from the mouth of God Matthew 4:4 ; not one dot or stroke of a letter will in any way disappear from the law until all things be fulfilled Matthew 5:17 All things are fulfilled when all the King of Kings subjects (citizens of His Kingdom), are subjected (obey His Laws) to Him so that God is all in all 1Corinthians 15:22-28
Why You Really Really Don't Want To Live Forever by Brett Gallaher Huffington Post
In my opinion David doesn't give any solution to his paradoxical statements that death on the one hand is the source of meaning of life and on the other hand deathe is evil and hidious. I guess he doesn't know the answer. Otherwise he would have presented it. I mean no offense to him because I think that nobody has got a satisfying answer. For me resurrection may be a kind of solution but not an answer to this mystery.
Pius Hälg Hart wrote an article about death on the FirstThings website in which his conclusion, simply stated, is that we simply don’t understand death. In another article entitled “Radical Orthodoxy” he postulates that we shall never know the meaning of death (or of suffering) until the world has reached some consummation (in which the final cause which directs the world is revealed and all is made known at the world’s conclusion).
In short, it’s a non-answer with the reminder of the promise God makes about resurrection and the love of Jesus. I could send you those links if you’re interested so you could read them yourself. I’m sure they are more profound than the boiled down version I just gave.
@@whoami8434 I'm afraid I'm a bit late, but having stumbled again over this speech I thank you for your answer and would gladly accept your offer to give me the links you mentioned above.
Pius Hälg
It’s been a while since I’ve read them. I hope these are the right ones.
Radical orthodoxy article:
journal.radicalorthodoxy.org/index.php/ROTPP/article/download/135/86
First things article:
www.firstthings.com/article/2012/06/death-the-stranger
They’re a bit dense and difficult to understand without any technical background, but if you have a dictionary and a lot of spare time you can get the main idea. I had a particularly hard time with them (but I’m something of a simpleton myself). Good luck.
He isn’t an author. More a prop. No original ideas just pretentious accidents of memory.
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