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Unleashed felt like a DreamWorks movie to me. I wish more games in the franchise had that big scope and feeling of light-hearted Adventure with serious moments.
@@blueblaze27 i don't think he's a terrible actor, if he was he wouldn't be in other games either. Apparently he voiced batman once in one of the arkham games, which i was surprised he did and i think it was Arkham city right? anyways i remember him doing a good job, but my brain is too stupid to remember
Marco Fernandoy So its true?? SEGA really went broke and that’s the reason why forces was trash?? And also the reason why we have waited so long for a new sonic game??🤔
Sonic Colors and Sonic Generations were very well received and critically acclaimed games but you gotta admit that Sonic Unleashed feels like it was the last big budget Sonic game and also the presentation was really great, cgi cutscenes are amazing and the soundtrack of the game is very good as well.
It was definately the last big budget, Unleashed had enough going for it to release minature short films with Sonic and Chip with some real quality in them, truly enhancing that Pixar/Dreamworks feel it had.
I can’t stand how the boost was downgraded in Forces. That game proved pretty much proved that the Modern Sonic games need a better direction. And that shows with the gameplay, level design, and story
No, it just ruined the reputation of a gameplay style, if that game was better, people would have been asking for another boost game, just look at Mania and the classic games, people are asking for a 5th classic sonic game, as in Sonic Mania 2, and that because Sonic Mania was a really good game So if Sonic Forces was good, I’m sure people would been asking for Sonic Forces 2.
you do realize Sonic Forces isn't a game you play, but a game that play's for you, it's automated has hell, they don't even trust you to jump has the physics are messed up to hell, the gameplay is broken and you just have to boost the whole stage and you win, press 1 button, do that in Generations, you fail in 5 seconds, and Classic Sonic is there just to sell the game, he doesn't do anything for the story, fans made a better story for the entire game, also Forces is more 2.5D than 3D sense you are always jumping to 2D gameplay, Modern Sonic Design look like Classic Sonic, compare Forces model with Generations or Unleashed, you'll see the differences, speaking of classic Sonic, his physics are wrong, hell he doesn't have them, Stages are less than a minute unless they steal your freedom of movement, story is not even good, Sonic is tortured for months then you see him he's fine and dandy, that shows how weak the story is not to mention other moments, compare it to Sonic Adventure games story, Forces doesn't reach an inch to it, Forces is the worst Sonic game that has ever been created, yes, even 06 is better
Sonic is for all ages, not just for kids. Seriously if you think about it, Sonic 1 didn't have this chidish direction. There needs to be a balance when it comes to tone in Sonic. There need to be a balance of being funny and light hearted and also taking itself seriously enough. I want this franchise to have good gameplay AND a good story where the characters actually act like how they use to be and not these 1 dimensional carrictures.
That's what sonic unleashed did right. The story is not so kiddish and it's actually kinda mature (?) For older audiences too. Sonic generations and colours was more directed to kids. Sonic forces was too I guess
I think Ian Flynn (IDW Sonic comics) does a good job on making more-dimensional (is that even a word) Sonic characters and serious storytelling. There are not many jokes, but the jokes that are there are good.
12:00 and? Just because he's a talking animal that doesn't automatically mean he should continue to have stories like colors, lost world, and whatever forces was. That mindset is one of the reasons why we got these lame kiddy stories. Sonic is a franchise with a signature edge and has taking itself seriously since the beginning... Atleast in the Japanese story of the games. Im just asking for a middle ground storytelling like unleashed and black knight.
Light, give me POWER!!! I honestly prefer when Sonic takes itself seriously without going overboard. Maybe it’s because I grew up with “dark age” games because I don’t understand why some people view high stakes Sonic stories as an inherently bad idea. It doesn’t matter if he’s a talking hedgehog stopping an egg shaped scientist, any work of fiction can be seen as ridiculous if you break it down like that.
"eem.. its a 8 yrs old talking fox that has 2 tails and can fly and build high techonoly multidimensional devices don't expect logic xddd" These retards can all burn for all I care
12:03 and? TMNT are talking turtles that are viewed as badass action heroes and in the original comics would even kill their enemies like actual ninjas do. Also Sonic has ALWAYS had dark themes to it even in the Genesis games. It wasn't until Sonic Colors that the games tried to make Sonic like he's for little toddlers
@Peter Parker i agree: Unleashed is by far my favourite 3D Sonic game, with Generations very close behind. I've never really played Adventure 2 much ( although i have played and enjoyed Adventure 1 ) but i hear that it's meant to be good.
Sonic Unleashed is one of my favorite Sonic games, though Heroes is my favorite overall. I'm one of the few people who enjoyed the Werehog stages and I ADORE the Daytime stages; I don't think Sonic has reached such blazing speeds since. Also, interesting note: In the original Japanese script, all that "darker and edgier" stuff was nonexistent. While Sonic was captured, there was no mention of him being tortured. And when Silver said Tails "lost it", the Japanese version had him basically saying Tails had gone missing.
.......I mean out of all the abilities sonic has shown capable of doing over the years, the boost is the most self explanatory out of all of them. If anything, it's chaos control that came out of nowhere (which I don't think he used sense Adventure 2)
I know the boost formula gets a lot of hate, and isn't the most liked game play style these days with some people hoping it put right dies, but man do I love the boost formula. It's the first game play style to truly captures what it's like to be sonic, and his energy during game play. That whoooooo when he first speeds off, that quiet yeah as he does a trick and jumps over a small obstacle in his way as he's running, and unlike other games the player has more control during the spectacle set pieces and his speed. It took what sonic adventure 2 style made and build upon that adding more to the high speed action (which I love and play sonic for), and has just as many branching paths and shortcuts as adventure 2 did. While I do think it's time the adventure style returns, I really hope the boost style doesn't die out. Still think it's the best style for Sonic personally at least, not so much other characters like Tails or knuckles
The boost can be seen as building off of Adventure, in some ways. So if they do "go back" to Adventure, I think it should return as more so a hybrid of both styles. I know people probably won't like hearing that, but if Adventure gameplay came back with zero innovation since 2001/2006, it's not going to be as impactful or interesting. I think to really evolve Sonic they should combine the lessons learned from Boost and Adventure
@@gamejitzu Yeah, a hybrid would be interesting and I think boost and adventure formula be the easiest two styles to pair together. Imagine an adventure style game that takes inspiration from project Hero (believe that's the name of the fan made adventure styled game), but have boost levels at certain instances. Something similar to what 06 did with the speed levels, but do that with the boost instead if that made any sense lol. I suck at explaining things lol
Its okay at this point getting rid of the boost formula completely would be like shredding away 15 years of sonic's past. I believe its here to stay because of how much attraction it has gotten over the years and how it suits sonic speed gameplay well. Adventure and Boost can theoretically coexist. The Sonic Infinity engine is a good example of that
@@jovani6044 Yeah there are so many examples of Boost and Adventure co existing Project 06 actual 06 the Rush/Advance games Infinity engine. I really like the boost and I think its prooved itself as a great playstyle for sonic.
I honestly want more boost games (more like generations), but just for Sonic, I would like a mixed gameplay like Forces. Boost with Sonic, puzzle-solving with Tails, exploration with Knuckles, stealth with Rouge or Shadow, etc. Those are just examples, and Obviously I don't want to see just the boost formula, but I want to see more, especially with the Hedgehog Engine 2
Stealth with shadow, how about more speed type combat gameplay, could have lower boost than sonic, could be more limited instead rings to fill up the guage how about something like chaos drives or defeating enemy's, or no boost and focus on arena combat with shadows chaos powers, bringing back chaos blast and control could create unique combat scenarios.
Sonic’s whole marketing identity was born of this idea that, while kids could enjoy it, there was an edge that appealed to teens and young adults. “SEGA does what nintendont.” Sonic is not and never was a kiddie character, at least not when the US wasn’t mishandling him.
22:26 "I think some of the hilarious, ironic, war dialogue from Knuckles and the other characters will go on and be quoted for decades to come". . . . "DOSE ANYONE BUT YOU BELIEVE YOUR LIES!" - Silver the Hedgehog
To be honest, I think the boost gameplay has already ran its course and I think it’s time to go back to the high speed adventure gameplay style since there’s so much potential.
For this style, I feel they went from Masterpiece, to Great, to Okay, to "Rather play '06". Much of this has to do with how difficult they are: Unleashed is definitely the toughest to get all S Ranks and other items, Colors is still substantial, Generations is... well, pretty simple, and Forces is extremely unsatisfying in that area. Story also devolves over time, though that's not as important between Colors and Generations, but MUCH more from that to Forces (I'm much more forgiving of a simple story than one that tries to feel epic but fails to earn it at all). I think I'm more salty about Forces because I could see it being so good if they'd just given a bit of care to it, both in story and gameplay.
With how well received Unleashed, Colors, and Generations were, you'd think Sonic Team would take all the best parts of those games and make a good Sonic game.. but then we got Lost Worlds and Forces and realized they don't even know what to do with Sonic.
I agree that Modern Sonic in Generations should have been fully 3D but Sega and Sonic Team we’re planning to have Dreamcast Sonic from the Adventure games, Heroes, and Shadow the Hedgehog (the game). If they had followed this plan, Dreamcast Sonic would have had fully 3D levels and Modern being a mix of 3D and 2D.
Sega just keeps nailing intresting stories setting fan bases ever since sonic riders unleashed colors generations mania all games that nail a specific audience and even before them
They could probably make an interesting game if they combined the ideas of an adventure game, and a boost game, similar to Unleashed. In doing so, the collectables in the boost levels should be achieved through completing the level fast, whereas the ones in adventure levels are found by exploring. That would fix the sun and moon medals
My idea is that the boost should be a reward for keeping momentum, Like how rolling rewards you if you keep that momentum in classic games. So we can bring back the Adventure style gameplay and include elements of the boost formula to add a nice spin to it. Boosting would only occur if you reach a specific speed throughout the level and would only be active if you keep that speed
@@hwanniggles187 yeah, that would be interesting. In a way, it would be a "Modern Classic Sonic", in the sense that you have the option to go slow and explore, but more thrill, and rewards for going fast.
4:12 I agree 100%. The CGI cutscenes are my favourite parts of the Dark Age Sonic games. The opening cgi cutscene for Unleashed looks like something out of a Star Wars movie but Sonic is in it.
So the Mania/Forces saga tried to use illusions to make Sonic and friends think that history had been changed, or that they had traveled through time... I'd love the next game to use another ancient relic to actually banish sonic, like, send him to a completely different universe. Maybe Tails too, maybe not. ( I think after how much of a crybaby they made Tails in Forces he deserves a game with more character development) This new dimension could have a totally different aesthetic from the one they currently reside in, and even have different main characters (or different versions of sonic and tails), and it could have some other large difference that is a main draw of the game too. The current Sonic bible at SEGA, from rumors I've heard, is supposed to say that there are two separate sonic worlds: one with humans, and one without humans, other than eggman. I think it would be an interesting storyline for Sonic to get thrown through space from one world into the other and to have the dimensional bridge sealed off by chaos power or something. you wouldn't need classic sonic at all, it would be just modern sonic and tails (maybe shadow and metal sonic as unlockable characters) but would be all about Sonic trying to find his way back home while stuck in the other world. And instead of being just one cutscene inbetween sonic disappearing and reappearing, it would be like half or 3/4 of the game before he makes it home, so there's a longer time span for the resistance (and maybe a custom character again) to play and be a part of the story on the mobius with no sonic. Obviously I think the rookie play style would need a massive revamp, he'd essentially need to either A) play exactly like sonic, with very little fighting or use of wispons, or B) he'd be an entirely different gameplay style, more like how BOOM's gameplay included fight scenes, so more focus on the wispons and less focus on running. You could even split the stories like Adventure did, so you can choose to play all of Sonic's story at once and then all of the rookie's story at once, culminating in a final, true ending that uses bits from both stories. I think it would be cool if done right. The story would need MUCH more depth though, Sonic Forces story was laughable in my opinion. They'd need to choose an age group too. Forces felt like it didn't belong to either age group of sonic fans. It definitely didn't belong to me, a 20-something who can handle deep, probing storylines that make you think, and it wasn't a childish game either. Mobians frickin' died at Infinite's hands, yet much of the game's dialogue (at least in English) was reduced to giggly banter between canon characters and new npc's screaming in the battlefield. And if there was a villain other than Eggman (which I think there shouldn't be for a game like this, he finds a new relic and uses its power but another Infinite just seems like a bad idea at this point) but if there was, the villain would need a LOT more thought taken into account for lore and backstory. the fact that Episode Shadow described Infinite being defeated in a fight by Shadow, a character that was probably well known on Mobius due to his connections to Sonic and the world as a whole, and then for him to only be angry at Shadow for one cutscene and instead take all his rage out on Sonic, leaving Shadow completely out of the picture, aside from an illusion, made no sense. You'd think if they went to so much trouble to make an entire DLC episode about Shadow he would've meant more to the game's story, but his part was throwaway. I just realized how long this was getting. Well, happy reading whoever sees this XD
My thoughts on each game: Sonic Unleashed: My favourite 3D Sonic Game, and honestly the last main game in the series that had the sense of scale, adventure, characterisation, speed and story that I was looking for in a Sonic game, also easily my favourite story in the series AND my favourite incarnation of Sonic and friends' personalities. Also, it's by far the best looking Sonic game by a country mile Sonic Colours: A game everyone loves but I don't, this was when the series started taking down a direction that I was not fond of in the slightest, and the game-play, even on the Wii, it felt like a bare-bones version of Unleashed, and the fact the game had more 2.5D moments than 3D levels felt a bit cheating for me, like they just limited themselves in terms of hardware. And the story and dialogue... is just awful, I'm sorry, I can't stand the humour in these games Sonic Generations: Now this is much better than Colours, it takes more notes from Unleashed in terms of Modern Sonic's game-play, while more streamlined, it had more variation in it's level design which I think really helps in replay value, the story... is pretty non-existent, but I can at least say the dialogue and writing is still better than Colours so there's something at least. But I would say Classic Sonic did need some physics tweaks because good god that spin dash is overpowered, and I would like some more playable characters and maybe some Level DLC to make the game feel more big and expansive. Which is why in my opinion, the Steam version of Generations is the version to get, if only for one of the best modding communities I have ever seen. Sonic Forces: UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH! I actually don't think I have had this much disdain for a Sonic game in my life, while Sonic 06 is still worse, Forces makes me angrier for how much it does not give a shit, the level design is more linear than Final Fantasy XIII, the controls are more stiff than my Great-Granddad's corpse, the texture work sticks out like a sore thumb for how pretty good the lighting is, but even then The Hedgehog Engine 2 does not even compare to Unleashed's Engine. The story is right next to 06 for how embarrassingly awful it is, Classic Sonic feels thrown in as a crutch to sell copies (Betting on Sega just has no confidence in Modern Sonic anymore), The game has no stakes for the player to be invested in whatsoever, it's just bad, I'd actually rather play Shadow the Hedgehog over this any day
How is Sonic 06 worse than Forces? It has a bad story and various glitches, but besides that it was done with a lot of passion and the level design is fairly decent as far as I've heard. It's better than Forces at the very least on effort, but I'd rank it over that game over gameplay too.
Sonic Heroes, Sega's first third-party Sonic game ruined the Sonic characters: -Tails is always besides Sonic and lost his independence from SA1 & SA2 -Knuckles has no purpose to exist, since he's no longer the guardian of the Master Emerald -Amy goes as far as hitting Sonic to marry him -Shadow is back -Rouge wants jewels again for the sake of putting her in the game (ignoring SA2's ending) -Eggman has no purpose to exist since he doesn't transform the animals into robots, ignoring all Sonic games Later games maintained this nonsense.
Like, in SA2, Sega removed the less liked gameplay styles from SA1. So why didn't they make SA3 with only Sonic (Speed) instead of making a stupid team mechanic and calling their game Sonic Heroes.
Unleashed is my favourite game of all time. the werehog just made it special, and im really grateful for that. it's a golden game made by a dying company who wanted to went out with a bang. it was the last big budget sonic project, and honestly, sonic unleashed's sonic is the best modern sonic for me.
it is also quite sad seeing Sonic generations being pretty much abandoned by Sega this game is DLC driven written the stuff it can bring to bring life to this game again this game felt short to short very short I'm quite glad it's not really based on heavy on story but once you finish the main game it's quite boring you know there are challenger now which are most of them are pure whole ridiculous business nothing much to do in this game because there's no DLCs that's why this game is purely made for models who like creating different designs for the game which is pretty cool say I had just missed the perfect opportunity to the least more stages or even a new story ticket in you on with Sonic generations but I must say it isn't it's disappointing like Sonic colours I don't hate it I just don't like it as much as most people do
Im suprised they honestly didnt do DLC for it. I think they did some Classic Casino Night game but They couldve brought back SO Many levels. Same for TSR its servers are mega dead. If they released Blaze and Cream DLC the game would get some hype again. Atleast Mania got some good treatment
@@radioactivehuman1684 one of the guys at say this Saturday that's all that's going to be there for the game that's why it has such a small group of characters which is a shame cos I would love to see infinite and the other characters in there as well like mighty And ray but that's the thing I just really hope what they doing now by delaying everything
I never played 06, but I've watched hour long or more documentaries of how bad it was. I usually don't let the conformed opinion of things dictate my own, but from what I've seen it is at least like secondhand gaming.
@@Naruku2121 I'd say give it a try, the hate bandwagon for that game is dying down in recent years starting to see more and more people come out and say how much they like the game. For me, it's my second favorite right behind Unleashed so I feel you could find some enjoyment out of it
@@BRONXBX There is a fanmade project that aims at redeeming the game from a gameplay stand point. Seems to have ironed out a lot of incomplete issues, in that regard I have considered giving that a try atleast.
SuperJ519 ! Thank you except I’ll need a fourth opinion now hopefully from channel pup because someone’s said tank someone’s said scooter and now you’ve said Donatello
I haven't watched this yet, but so far I'd say you're brave for saying this on the internet. Last time I remember, Sonic Fanatics used to lynch people like me who somewhat liked the boost.
I can't hear the video because my mum is vacuuming the room next to me, I'll just tell her to go back to the kitchen and make me a sandwich and then I'll get back to watching this
My favourite games of the franchise are Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Advance 1&2, Sonic Heroes, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Colours, Sonic Lost World, Sonic Generations, the first one on the genesis, and... Sonic Forces, yes, I said that
While sonic colors will always remain as my favorite sonic game of all time because it was my first sonic game ever and I find it tons of fun, I cannot deny that there are too much 2D sections, but unlike forces, most of the 2D sections are fun and not just boost to win and reminds me of the classic games which I love, second place for me is SA2 and third place is generations
@@Kuzamer Just playing devil's advocate for a bit, but what would you propose them to do differently? Don't say return Adventure's formual or that would be in the same boat as the Boost. Even if I do personally want the adventure formula to return, but that's besides the point. Would you like them do something completely random and try to expand on Lost World's formula?
Sonic Team overall is proving themselves incompetent. Sonic Mania wasn't even really made by SEGA, and that did better than Sonic Forces, a game made by SEGA themselves. That is just outright embarassing. The creators of the Sonic games need to get their stuff together, or give Sonic to someone else.
A guy who worked on the music of Sonic Mania said in a forum that SEGA/Sonic Team was a lot more involved with the development of Mania than people like to believe. Also they don't just give away their money making mascot to others that don't know anything about what to do with him, Sonic Team only worked with Taxman and his team because they proved their expertise on recreating 2D Sonic and more importantly develop complete games.
Hopefully Sonic will be able to be awesome like he was when he first came out. Maybe the 30th anniversary game will be one of the best sonic games ever.
To be honest I was actually very disappointed in forces the game could’ve had a great storyline of eggman changing past events and a story where sonic did not succeed in his past timelines where he succeeded and eggman messed up time I think I would’ve preferred that story than saying the whole time the enemies were clones
Well I'll tell you that Unleashed is like, my favorite game of all time. The other boost games are good, but none of them top Unleashed. I grew up with the Classics too. Unleashed has the highest model quality, etc. of any Sonic game, even better than Fronteirs. The boost gameplay is my favorite of all time, but that game does it especially well. And I actually like the Werehog, it's just more like a beat-em-up. I know that people didn't really "Sign up" for that, but same goes for the Adventure 2 treasure hunting and mech levels, etc. I don't mind the plane sections. Unleashed is far from what made me a Sonic fan, but I'm still in love with it. It was a heck of a lot better than '06. I do like how the later boost games didn't have Werehog though (It was kind of a one-time thing). And Pontac & Graff did get better as they went on. Not great, but better for sure. But Unleashed definitely had the best story. I didn't go back to Forces either. But yeah, Unleashed. Best game ever.
So I was much like you played sonic 3 and sonic and knuckles on pc when I was really young and hadn’t touched a sonic game since then around 2011 I was at someone’s house hanging out on their 360 and found sonic 06 and I played it I played all the way through Sonics first full part of the story and even some silver stages in an afternoon I honestly loved and enjoyed every minute of it I didn’t have many glitches or anything infact I had no idea what sonic game this was or heard anything about it but it sparked my interest in sonic once again and I went and got sonic heroes on my ps2 not long after sonic 06 got me back into sonic
Sonic's for all ages, not children. My first sonic games were gens and colors, and even I could tell that something was wrong. Then I tried unleashed at a friends and that felt perfect, then played the original genesis games and that felt perfect, then adventure and that felt a bit too dark, blockbuster family movie is what I feel sonic should be going for. FAMILY, rather than children.
Sonic unleashed day stages will always be the gold standard for me when it comes to boost. Colors felt too 2D when I found the 3D sections way more fun, forces butchered the freedom unleashed gave you to make mistakes and learn from them while generations felt alittle too boxed in as an effort to limit sonic abit. The only modded games that get close to this feeling for me is sonic utopia and srb2 if I get a modern sonic game version of those two with boosts loose yet controlled nature I'd be satisfied.
They have lost that smooth feel that Unleashed and Generations gave us. Forces felt like they just took the Lost World engine and added a boost mechanic without adjusting the physics. Frontiers was a little bit better but still failed to give the polished feel that we use to get (when it came to the boost mechanic).
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Donatello
Scooter
Or
Tank
Whats wrong with Sonic being lanky?
@@Mirrorcomics24 Tank. Definitely Tank.
@@theminecraft2516 Nothing, it just wasn't as well received. I don't mind it.
Channel Pup ok
Unleashed felt like a DreamWorks movie to me. I wish more games in the franchise had that big scope and feeling of light-hearted Adventure with serious moments.
Not with Roger Craig
The problem isn’t roger, it’s the bad writing. Roger may voice act terrible but he would’ve sounded decent enough if the writing wasn’t atrocious
@@blueblaze27 i don't think he's a terrible actor, if he was he wouldn't be in other games either. Apparently he voiced batman once in one of the arkham games, which i was surprised he did and i think it was Arkham city right? anyways i remember him doing a good job, but my brain is too stupid to remember
unleashed had a big budget, thats the difference
Marco Fernandoy So its true?? SEGA really went broke and that’s the reason why forces was trash?? And also the reason why we have waited so long for a new sonic game??🤔
Sonic Colors and Sonic Generations were very well received
and critically acclaimed games but you gotta admit that Sonic Unleashed feels like it was the last big budget Sonic game and also the presentation was really great, cgi cutscenes are amazing and the soundtrack of the game is very good as well.
Facts
Yep
It was definately the last big budget, Unleashed had enough going for it to release minature short films with Sonic and Chip with some real quality in them, truly enhancing that Pixar/Dreamworks feel it had.
Naruku2121 Yeah for real man
I can’t stand how the boost was downgraded in Forces. That game proved pretty much proved that the Modern Sonic games need a better direction. And that shows with the gameplay, level design, and story
No, it just ruined the reputation of a gameplay style, if that game was better, people would have been asking for another boost game, just look at Mania and the classic games, people are asking for a 5th classic sonic game, as in Sonic Mania 2, and that because Sonic Mania was a really good game
So if Sonic Forces was good, I’m sure people would been asking for Sonic Forces 2.
Sonic : Press boost to win
They weakened the boost
you do realize Sonic Forces isn't a game you play, but a game that play's for you, it's automated has hell, they don't even trust you to jump has the physics are messed up to hell, the gameplay is broken and you just have to boost the whole stage and you win, press 1 button, do that in Generations, you fail in 5 seconds, and Classic Sonic is there just to sell the game, he doesn't do anything for the story, fans made a better story for the entire game, also Forces is more 2.5D than 3D sense you are always jumping to 2D gameplay, Modern Sonic Design look like Classic Sonic, compare Forces model with Generations or Unleashed, you'll see the differences, speaking of classic Sonic, his physics are wrong, hell he doesn't have them, Stages are less than a minute unless they steal your freedom of movement, story is not even good, Sonic is tortured for months then you see him he's fine and dandy, that shows how weak the story is not to mention other moments, compare it to Sonic Adventure games story, Forces doesn't reach an inch to it, Forces is the worst Sonic game that has ever been created, yes, even 06 is better
@@senshi_dev_art Same for meh
Sonic 06 remastered with no human girl and not rushed for Christmas would be a good game
I would keep Elise but I'd tone down the romantic tension and replace the kiss with a hug.
Humans need to stay.
@@Nathan-rb3qp i think its better if she doesnt do anything i mean she will do the same thing without the kiss
I mean if we don't mind Roger and Jessica rabbit why do we have a problem with this one?
@@Nathan-rb3qp yeah but make them fit in like unleashed did
Sonic is for all ages, not just for kids. Seriously if you think about it, Sonic 1 didn't have this chidish direction. There needs to be a balance when it comes to tone in Sonic. There need to be a balance of being funny and light hearted and also taking itself seriously enough. I want this franchise to have good gameplay AND a good story where the characters actually act like how they use to be and not these 1 dimensional carrictures.
Agree
Yeah, video games in general are for all ages
I cant tell if you spelled it wrong, or those are actual words...
That's what sonic unleashed did right. The story is not so kiddish and it's actually kinda mature (?) For older audiences too. Sonic generations and colours was more directed to kids. Sonic forces was too I guess
I think Ian Flynn (IDW Sonic comics) does a good job on making more-dimensional (is that even a word) Sonic characters and serious storytelling. There are not many jokes, but the jokes that are there are good.
12:00 and? Just because he's a talking animal that doesn't automatically mean he should continue to have stories like colors, lost world, and whatever forces was. That mindset is one of the reasons why we got these lame kiddy stories. Sonic is a franchise with a signature edge and has taking itself seriously since the beginning... Atleast in the Japanese story of the games.
Im just asking for a middle ground storytelling like unleashed and black knight.
Light, give me POWER!!! I honestly prefer when Sonic takes itself seriously without going overboard. Maybe it’s because I grew up with “dark age” games because I don’t understand why some people view high stakes Sonic stories as an inherently bad idea. It doesn’t matter if he’s a talking hedgehog stopping an egg shaped scientist, any work of fiction can be seen as ridiculous if you break it down like that.
"eem.. its a 8 yrs old talking fox that has 2 tails and can fly and build high techonoly multidimensional devices don't expect logic xddd"
These retards can all burn for all I care
Yeah, I want sonic with his personality from black knight back (with the voice of jason griffith)
@NorthWestern Railway66 it's not just fans but also casuals too that have this mindset.
@@shadowfall5278 and that's fine.
But it's people like that fans or not that drag sonic stories down to a halt.
12:03 and? TMNT are talking turtles that are viewed as badass action heroes and in the original comics would even kill their enemies like actual ninjas do. Also Sonic has ALWAYS had dark themes to it even in the Genesis games. It wasn't until Sonic Colors that the games tried to make Sonic like he's for little toddlers
What kind of dark things you talking about?
The dark thing that I can think of when mephiles killed sonic🤢
@@donovanjr284 There's a bunch of dark moments more so than that. Adventure and Adventure 2 come to mind immediately, but there's probably more
@@donovanjr284 that's sad.
Lacey's oasis true my guy
Forces is kiddie. War and characters deaths aren't for kids.
Odyssey doesn’t expect that much from the player but compared to forces Mario may as well be dark souls
Why are u bringing that up?
@@traviscunningham7062 I don’t know I said that like a year ago
Sonic: BaLdY nOseHAiR!
Eggman: Alright, Blue Balls the hedgehog.
As a kid, I loved sonic generations, sonic unleashed, and sonic adventures 2
You meant "Sonic ADVENTURE 2"
@Peter Parker i agree: Unleashed is by far my favourite 3D Sonic game, with Generations very close behind. I've never really played Adventure 2 much ( although i have played and enjoyed Adventure 1 ) but i hear that it's meant to be good.
@@SLIDD_DDILS my favorite is unleashed too but I like black knight followed up by adventure 2
Yeah. Those are probably the best 3 3d sonic games (Besides adventure 1)
Finally someone who likes multiple sonic games from different eras
I think the 20th anniversary was the biggest anniversary year. Jazwares toy line. The thanksgiving balloon. And the success of generations.
15th but that flopped like crazy so yeah 20th Im hoping 30th will be the best one
Sonic Unleashed is one of my favorite Sonic games, though Heroes is my favorite overall. I'm one of the few people who enjoyed the Werehog stages and I ADORE the Daytime stages; I don't think Sonic has reached such blazing speeds since.
Also, interesting note: In the original Japanese script, all that "darker and edgier" stuff was nonexistent. While Sonic was captured, there was no mention of him being tortured. And when Silver said Tails "lost it", the Japanese version had him basically saying Tails had gone missing.
Interesting..
Love the fact how Sega never actually explained how tf he learned a skill like that out of nowhere
He can just run really fast.
because he's the fastest thing alive well not faster than the flash
Well he was already established as being stupidly fast. Just funny how suddenly he can pull off a move that just leaves a wake of destruction
He's so fire that it manifests outside of his body when he runs.
.......I mean out of all the abilities sonic has shown capable of doing over the years, the boost is the most self explanatory out of all of them. If anything, it's chaos control that came out of nowhere (which I don't think he used sense Adventure 2)
I know the boost formula gets a lot of hate, and isn't the most liked game play style these days with some people hoping it put right dies, but man do I love the boost formula. It's the first game play style to truly captures what it's like to be sonic, and his energy during game play. That whoooooo when he first speeds off, that quiet yeah as he does a trick and jumps over a small obstacle in his way as he's running, and unlike other games the player has more control during the spectacle set pieces and his speed. It took what sonic adventure 2 style made and build upon that adding more to the high speed action (which I love and play sonic for), and has just as many branching paths and shortcuts as adventure 2 did.
While I do think it's time the adventure style returns, I really hope the boost style doesn't die out. Still think it's the best style for Sonic personally at least, not so much other characters like Tails or knuckles
The boost can be seen as building off of Adventure, in some ways. So if they do "go back" to Adventure, I think it should return as more so a hybrid of both styles. I know people probably won't like hearing that, but if Adventure gameplay came back with zero innovation since 2001/2006, it's not going to be as impactful or interesting. I think to really evolve Sonic they should combine the lessons learned from Boost and Adventure
@@gamejitzu Yeah, a hybrid would be interesting and I think boost and adventure formula be the easiest two styles to pair together. Imagine an adventure style game that takes inspiration from project Hero (believe that's the name of the fan made adventure styled game), but have boost levels at certain instances. Something similar to what 06 did with the speed levels, but do that with the boost instead if that made any sense lol. I suck at explaining things lol
I hope it just gets nerfed and becomes a part of sonic's moveset.
Its okay at this point getting rid of the boost formula completely would be like shredding away 15 years of sonic's past. I believe its here to stay because of how much attraction it has gotten over the years and how it suits sonic speed gameplay well. Adventure and Boost can theoretically coexist. The Sonic Infinity engine is a good example of that
@@jovani6044 Yeah there are so many examples of Boost and Adventure co existing Project 06 actual 06 the Rush/Advance games Infinity engine. I really like the boost and I think its prooved itself as a great playstyle for sonic.
29:42 Don't forget when Colors and Galaxy 2 dropped on the same year, Sonic held his own that time.
3:38 “falling next to a chihuahua who’s lost his memory” W line🤣🤣🤣 I’m crying rn!
The only issue have with Generations is trying to get the first Red Ring in City Escape act 2. It makes me want to die!!!!!
Time eater makes me want to kill my self seriously fuck that boss fight
@@pugman9672 *IT LOOKS LIKE A HOMING SHOT*
@@ahmadkazan7994 hey it was better than unleashed , but yeah dialogue dsucked. Good thing they fixed it in forces
Sonic Colors is a Sonic game for Mario fans
Dude I remember seeing that opening as a kid, I thought it was so badass. I still do lmao. This game holds a special place in my heart.
I honestly want more boost games (more like generations), but just for Sonic, I would like a mixed gameplay like Forces. Boost with Sonic, puzzle-solving with Tails, exploration with Knuckles, stealth with Rouge or Shadow, etc. Those are just examples, and
Obviously I don't want to see just the boost formula, but I want to see more, especially with the Hedgehog Engine 2
Stealth with shadow, how about more speed type combat gameplay, could have lower boost than sonic, could be more limited instead rings to fill up the guage how about something like chaos drives or defeating enemy's, or no boost and focus on arena combat with shadows chaos powers, bringing back chaos blast and control could create unique combat scenarios.
Sonic’s whole marketing identity was born of this idea that, while kids could enjoy it, there was an edge that appealed to teens and young adults. “SEGA does what nintendont.” Sonic is not and never was a kiddie character, at least not when the US wasn’t mishandling him.
22:26 "I think some of the hilarious, ironic, war dialogue from Knuckles and the other characters will go on and be quoted for decades to come".
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"DOSE ANYONE BUT YOU BELIEVE YOUR LIES!" - Silver the Hedgehog
The reason why sonic colors has so many short levels is because it was supposed to be part of generations
what do you mean?
This vid was so good, you deserve so much more attention bro.
To be honest, I think the boost gameplay has already ran its course and I think it’s time to go back to the high speed adventure gameplay style since there’s so much potential.
but the boost gameplay ALSO has so much potential like what
The boost gameplay, atleast in Unleashed was just Adventure style (especially Adventue 2) only with more speed added in.
Do something similar to project hero, not adventure, basically lost world but a million times better
@DarkSonic180 yes it does
DarkSonic180 hey it’s the adventure Stan saying the boost is bad without providing concrete evidence
For this style, I feel they went from Masterpiece, to Great, to Okay, to "Rather play '06". Much of this has to do with how difficult they are: Unleashed is definitely the toughest to get all S Ranks and other items, Colors is still substantial, Generations is... well, pretty simple, and Forces is extremely unsatisfying in that area. Story also devolves over time, though that's not as important between Colors and Generations, but MUCH more from that to Forces (I'm much more forgiving of a simple story than one that tries to feel epic but fails to earn it at all).
I think I'm more salty about Forces because I could see it being so good if they'd just given a bit of care to it, both in story and gameplay.
With how well received Unleashed, Colors, and Generations were, you'd think Sonic Team would take all the best parts of those games and make a good Sonic game..
but then we got Lost Worlds and Forces and realized they don't even know what to do with Sonic.
It wasn't the transition to the third dimension, it was the transition to the third party.
I agree that Modern Sonic in Generations should have been fully 3D but Sega and Sonic Team we’re planning to have Dreamcast Sonic from the Adventure games, Heroes, and Shadow the Hedgehog (the game). If they had followed this plan, Dreamcast Sonic would have had fully 3D levels and Modern being a mix of 3D and 2D.
please tell me he was gonna wear soap shoes
If they did Dreamcast Sonic, the modders would have gotten even more crazy and we would have something close to SA3 by now
Teesoar unfortunately sega though the fans would try to kill them if they didn’t get Ryan Drummond, which they probably would
Sega just keeps nailing intresting stories setting fan bases ever since sonic riders unleashed colors generations mania all games that nail a specific audience and even before them
They could probably make an interesting game if they combined the ideas of an adventure game, and a boost game, similar to Unleashed. In doing so, the collectables in the boost levels should be achieved through completing the level fast, whereas the ones in adventure levels are found by exploring. That would fix the sun and moon medals
So like a better Mach Speed level from Sonic 06?
My idea is that the boost should be a reward for keeping momentum, Like how rolling rewards you if you keep that momentum in classic games. So we can bring back the Adventure style gameplay and include elements of the boost formula to add a nice spin to it. Boosting would only occur if you reach a specific speed throughout the level and would only be active if you keep that speed
@@hwanniggles187 yeah, that would be interesting. In a way, it would be a "Modern Classic Sonic", in the sense that you have the option to go slow and explore, but more thrill, and rewards for going fast.
Honestly I love everything about unleashed besides the tornado sections. Its honestly a really good game.
And instant death quick time events
Unleashed: Good
Colors: OK
Generations: FANTASTIC
Forces: Get mods...
4:12 I agree 100%. The CGI cutscenes are my favourite parts of the Dark Age Sonic games. The opening cgi cutscene for Unleashed looks like something out of a Star Wars movie but Sonic is in it.
They vanished after Lost World (excluding trailers).
A video *praising* the boost?
Woah
...Finally, someone has the same opinion as mine...
Personal Opinion: None of these are close the Sonic Generations consistently brilliant levels over and over.
I love sonic, and his green little brother Luigi Sonic
Luigi makes me feel things
Manic?
Wonderful vid mate! You just earned a sub.
Generations was like a huge part of my childhood lmao
So the Mania/Forces saga tried to use illusions to make Sonic and friends think that history had been changed, or that they had traveled through time... I'd love the next game to use another ancient relic to actually banish sonic, like, send him to a completely different universe. Maybe Tails too, maybe not. ( I think after how much of a crybaby they made Tails in Forces he deserves a game with more character development) This new dimension could have a totally different aesthetic from the one they currently reside in, and even have different main characters (or different versions of sonic and tails), and it could have some other large difference that is a main draw of the game too. The current Sonic bible at SEGA, from rumors I've heard, is supposed to say that there are two separate sonic worlds: one with humans, and one without humans, other than eggman. I think it would be an interesting storyline for Sonic to get thrown through space from one world into the other and to have the dimensional bridge sealed off by chaos power or something. you wouldn't need classic sonic at all, it would be just modern sonic and tails (maybe shadow and metal sonic as unlockable characters) but would be all about Sonic trying to find his way back home while stuck in the other world. And instead of being just one cutscene inbetween sonic disappearing and reappearing, it would be like half or 3/4 of the game before he makes it home, so there's a longer time span for the resistance (and maybe a custom character again) to play and be a part of the story on the mobius with no sonic. Obviously I think the rookie play style would need a massive revamp, he'd essentially need to either A) play exactly like sonic, with very little fighting or use of wispons, or B) he'd be an entirely different gameplay style, more like how BOOM's gameplay included fight scenes, so more focus on the wispons and less focus on running. You could even split the stories like Adventure did, so you can choose to play all of Sonic's story at once and then all of the rookie's story at once, culminating in a final, true ending that uses bits from both stories. I think it would be cool if done right. The story would need MUCH more depth though, Sonic Forces story was laughable in my opinion. They'd need to choose an age group too. Forces felt like it didn't belong to either age group of sonic fans. It definitely didn't belong to me, a 20-something who can handle deep, probing storylines that make you think, and it wasn't a childish game either. Mobians frickin' died at Infinite's hands, yet much of the game's dialogue (at least in English) was reduced to giggly banter between canon characters and new npc's screaming in the battlefield. And if there was a villain other than Eggman (which I think there shouldn't be for a game like this, he finds a new relic and uses its power but another Infinite just seems like a bad idea at this point) but if there was, the villain would need a LOT more thought taken into account for lore and backstory. the fact that Episode Shadow described Infinite being defeated in a fight by Shadow, a character that was probably well known on Mobius due to his connections to Sonic and the world as a whole, and then for him to only be angry at Shadow for one cutscene and instead take all his rage out on Sonic, leaving Shadow completely out of the picture, aside from an illusion, made no sense. You'd think if they went to so much trouble to make an entire DLC episode about Shadow he would've meant more to the game's story, but his part was throwaway.
I just realized how long this was getting. Well, happy reading whoever sees this XD
My thoughts on each game:
Sonic Unleashed: My favourite 3D Sonic Game, and honestly the last main game in the series that had the sense of scale, adventure, characterisation, speed and story that I was looking for in a Sonic game, also easily my favourite story in the series AND my favourite incarnation of Sonic and friends' personalities. Also, it's by far the best looking Sonic game by a country mile
Sonic Colours: A game everyone loves but I don't, this was when the series started taking down a direction that I was not fond of in the slightest, and the game-play, even on the Wii, it felt like a bare-bones version of Unleashed, and the fact the game had more 2.5D moments than 3D levels felt a bit cheating for me, like they just limited themselves in terms of hardware. And the story and dialogue... is just awful, I'm sorry, I can't stand the humour in these games
Sonic Generations: Now this is much better than Colours, it takes more notes from Unleashed in terms of Modern Sonic's game-play, while more streamlined, it had more variation in it's level design which I think really helps in replay value, the story... is pretty non-existent, but I can at least say the dialogue and writing is still better than Colours so there's something at least. But I would say Classic Sonic did need some physics tweaks because good god that spin dash is overpowered, and I would like some more playable characters and maybe some Level DLC to make the game feel more big and expansive. Which is why in my opinion, the Steam version of Generations is the version to get, if only for one of the best modding communities I have ever seen.
Sonic Forces: UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH! I actually don't think I have had this much disdain for a Sonic game in my life, while Sonic 06 is still worse, Forces makes me angrier for how much it does not give a shit, the level design is more linear than Final Fantasy XIII, the controls are more stiff than my Great-Granddad's corpse, the texture work sticks out like a sore thumb for how pretty good the lighting is, but even then The Hedgehog Engine 2 does not even compare to Unleashed's Engine. The story is right next to 06 for how embarrassingly awful it is, Classic Sonic feels thrown in as a crutch to sell copies (Betting on Sega just has no confidence in Modern Sonic anymore), The game has no stakes for the player to be invested in whatsoever, it's just bad, I'd actually rather play Shadow the Hedgehog over this any day
Pretty much everyone would play shadow the hedgehog and 06 over any one of the 2010 games. And I love those 2 games
How is Sonic 06 worse than Forces? It has a bad story and various glitches, but besides that it was done with a lot of passion and the level design is fairly decent as far as I've heard. It's better than Forces at the very least on effort, but I'd rank it over that game over gameplay too.
It's just Sonic adventure's story
Sonic Heroes, Sega's first third-party Sonic game ruined the Sonic characters:
-Tails is always besides Sonic and lost his independence from SA1 & SA2
-Knuckles has no purpose to exist, since he's no longer the guardian of the Master Emerald
-Amy goes as far as hitting Sonic to marry him
-Shadow is back
-Rouge wants jewels again for the sake of putting her in the game (ignoring SA2's ending)
-Eggman has no purpose to exist since he doesn't transform the animals into robots, ignoring all Sonic games
Later games maintained this nonsense.
Like, in SA2, Sega removed the less liked gameplay styles from SA1. So why didn't they make SA3 with only Sonic (Speed) instead of making a stupid team mechanic and calling their game Sonic Heroes.
Well, they only brought Shadow back because the fans wanted them to. Otherwise, he would have stayed dead.
Not to forget that tangle and whisper just made it in sonic dash and forces mobile, that'll make a huge boost to the games, hell yeah!
Unleashed is my favourite game of all time. the werehog just made it special, and im really grateful for that. it's a golden game made by a dying company who wanted to went out with a bang. it was the last big budget sonic project, and honestly, sonic unleashed's sonic is the best modern sonic for me.
Classic Sonic from Sonic forces is the Sonic from the past.
Sonic Colors is my favorite game in the whole franchise, honestly.
Or, maybe, just like Unleashed was after 06, the next game will be a giant apology for Forces.
and then people will bash it at launch then come back 10 years later and say "man remember how good unleashed was"
it is also quite sad seeing Sonic generations being pretty much abandoned by Sega this game is DLC driven written the stuff it can bring to bring life to this game again this game felt short to short very short I'm quite glad it's not really based on heavy on story but once you finish the main game it's quite boring you know there are challenger now which are most of them are pure whole ridiculous business nothing much to do in this game because there's no DLCs that's why this game is purely made for models who like creating different designs for the game which is pretty cool say I had just missed the perfect opportunity to the least more stages or even a new story ticket in you on with Sonic generations but I must say it isn't it's disappointing like Sonic colours I don't hate it I just don't like it as much as most people do
Im suprised they honestly didnt do DLC for it. I think they did some Classic Casino Night game but They couldve brought back SO Many levels. Same for TSR its servers are mega dead. If they released Blaze and Cream DLC the game would get some hype again. Atleast Mania got some good treatment
@@radioactivehuman1684 one of the guys at say this Saturday that's all that's going to be there for the game that's why it has such a small group of characters which is a shame cos I would love to see infinite and the other characters in there as well like mighty And ray but that's the thing I just really hope what they doing now by delaying everything
@@mjhedgehog873 Ouch that sucks
At least we have the stage mods.
5:37. Not true. The Slide and Spin Kick came from 06.
and the modern lightspeed dash from sa2
And the stomp from secret rings
and the speed from sonic 2
And the main character itself from sonic 1
And Sonic himself appears in a racing game as a cameo before his own game
I was a kid growing up with Sonic Colours, Sonic 4 episode 2, Generations, etc.
2:34 Your dad is a true Chad, mine hates sonic lmao
You’re going to do everything that I don’t want you to do in every sonic game
"how dare you have an opinion different from mine"
The only reason I play sonic forces more than once is so my ps4 trophies are 100% completed
I never even knew that sonic 06 was a thing until 10 years later. I only played heroes and unleashed around my childhood years.
I never played 06, but I've watched hour long or more documentaries of how bad it was. I usually don't let the conformed opinion of things dictate my own, but from what I've seen it is at least like secondhand gaming.
@@Naruku2121 I'd say give it a try, the hate bandwagon for that game is dying down in recent years starting to see more and more people come out and say how much they like the game. For me, it's my second favorite right behind Unleashed so I feel you could find some enjoyment out of it
@@BRONXBX There is a fanmade project that aims at redeeming the game from a gameplay stand point. Seems to have ironed out a lot of incomplete issues, in that regard I have considered giving that a try atleast.
Sonic Forces is just a more linear but faster version of Crash Bandicoot.
I like boost one of my favorite gameplay style in sonic
Yeah Sonic adventure 3 was... a trip
I totally agree with this list:
1.) Unleashed
2.) Generations
3.) Colors
4.) Forces
Perfect.
FINALLY. Someone who likes Unleashed
I pray for a Colours remake.
Channel pup what should I name my turtle Donatello,scooter or tank
I'm not Channel Pup but, I would like to say that Donatello would be a nice name for your turtle.
SuperJ519 ! Thank you except I’ll need a fourth opinion now hopefully from channel pup because someone’s said tank someone’s said scooter and now you’ve said Donatello
Donatello, it's a good name
carlos ortega thank you
Donatello don't forget the pizza
I haven't watched this yet, but so far I'd say you're brave for saying this on the internet. Last time I remember, Sonic Fanatics used to lynch people like me who somewhat liked the boost.
8:58 I disagree. In fact it does the opposite. It encourages you to explore the levels again for replay value.
It's not replay value if you're forced to do it before you replay a game. If you need to redo previous levels on your first playthrough, it's a grind.
@@Gnidel Not if you start medal farming from the beginning of the game.
No.
tbh, yeah sonic unleashed was the sonic game that brought me back, like jesus that game is good
Am I the only one that thinks Pups mock of a journalist sounds like Sonic doing a mock of a journalist
They should recall of "speed is reward" methods of using spin dash and boost mechanics at the same time
Sonic unleashed as the amazing speed boost of all sonic games
Sonic Unleashed is fantastic. One of the best Sonic Games.
Eh....
Yo Channel Pup Oops- I Mean Whats Crackalakin Fellow Home Dog
Sonic generations is the best 3d sonic game
Suprem Beanz I’ve never cared for story all that much, this is just my opinion
Oh really how much 3D that game had ?
Agree
I want more cheesy blockbuster story plots in sonic games like unleashed. Forces was the definition of that just very poorly executed.
Sonic and the Black Knight is the best 👌
I can't hear the video because my mum is vacuuming the room next to me, I'll just tell her to go back to the kitchen and make me a sandwich and then I'll get back to watching this
this comment is so random lol
Sonic forces was my first 3D sonic game
Oof.
Oof
So sad
Nobody Important that is just sad
I feel bad for you.
I'm 15 but I started with adventure
My favourite games of the franchise are Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Advance 1&2, Sonic Heroes, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Colours, Sonic Lost World, Sonic Generations, the first one on the genesis, and... Sonic Forces, yes, I said that
The boost is really effective. I don’t understand why people hate Modern Sonic, aside from the adventure games and heroes etc.
While sonic colors will always remain as my favorite sonic game of all time because it was my first sonic game ever and I find it tons of fun, I cannot deny that there are too much 2D sections, but unlike forces, most of the 2D sections are fun and not just boost to win and reminds me of the classic games which I love, second place for me is SA2 and third place is generations
They need to dump this damn formula already.
nah they just need competent director and designers
What did the Adventure formula ever do to you? ;)
@@islandboy9381
Nuh uh. The Boost has run its course and at this point it's just limiting Sonic's potential.
@@Kuzamer Just playing devil's advocate for a bit, but what would you propose them to do differently? Don't say return Adventure's formual or that would be in the same boat as the Boost. Even if I do personally want the adventure formula to return, but that's besides the point. Would you like them do something completely random and try to expand on Lost World's formula?
@@Naruku2121
I want them to do something similar to Project Hero in terms of gameplay and how the other playable characters are handled.
Sonic Team overall is proving themselves incompetent. Sonic Mania wasn't even really made by SEGA, and that did better than Sonic Forces, a game made by SEGA themselves. That is just outright embarassing. The creators of the Sonic games need to get their stuff together, or give Sonic to someone else.
A guy who worked on the music of Sonic Mania said in a forum that SEGA/Sonic Team was a lot more involved with the development of Mania than people like to believe. Also they don't just give away their money making mascot to others that don't know anything about what to do with him, Sonic Team only worked with Taxman and his team because they proved their expertise on recreating 2D Sonic and more importantly develop complete games.
@@islandboy9381 not even Sonic Team knows what to do with Sonic anymore
@@islandboy9381
Is the thread still up? I’d like a read of it.
Sonic Unleashed. The best sonic game
Yeah Sonic Unleashed’s opening is badass but it’s a shame we haven’t had an opening as epic as that in later games
Hopefully Sonic will be able to be awesome like he was when he first came out. Maybe the 30th anniversary game will be one of the best sonic games ever.
Here we go
BTW, it’s optional if u wanna use the boost in Sonic Unleashed... on the XBOX 360
So on the other versions, it isn't?
To be honest I was actually very disappointed in forces the game could’ve had a great storyline of eggman changing past events and a story where sonic did not succeed in his past timelines where he succeeded and eggman messed up time I think I would’ve preferred that story than saying the whole time the enemies were clones
1hour for Eggmanland
Well I'll tell you that Unleashed is like, my favorite game of all time. The other boost games are good, but none of them top Unleashed. I grew up with the Classics too. Unleashed has the highest model quality, etc. of any Sonic game, even better than Fronteirs. The boost gameplay is my favorite of all time, but that game does it especially well. And I actually like the Werehog, it's just more like a beat-em-up. I know that people didn't really "Sign up" for that, but same goes for the Adventure 2 treasure hunting and mech levels, etc. I don't mind the plane sections. Unleashed is far from what made me a Sonic fan, but I'm still in love with it. It was a heck of a lot better than '06. I do like how the later boost games didn't have Werehog though (It was kind of a one-time thing). And Pontac & Graff did get better as they went on. Not great, but better for sure. But Unleashed definitely had the best story. I didn't go back to Forces either. But yeah, Unleashed. Best game ever.
That alternate dimension classic sonic from sonic forces is from is Europe, you just described his physics in PAL/50hz.
Bought Sonic Generations + Casino Night Zone DLC for a $1 on Steam. Best dollar I've ever spent.
I agree with everything you said.
So I was much like you played sonic 3 and sonic and knuckles on pc when I was really young and hadn’t touched a sonic game since then around 2011 I was at someone’s house hanging out on their 360 and found sonic 06 and I played it I played all the way through Sonics first full part of the story and even some silver stages in an afternoon I honestly loved and enjoyed every minute of it I didn’t have many glitches or anything infact I had no idea what sonic game this was or heard anything about it but it sparked my interest in sonic once again and I went and got sonic heroes on my ps2 not long after sonic 06 got me back into sonic
Maybe I was the only fan in the sonic community that liked forces
What i think is funny is people regretted 06's story but everything it did the adventure series did on a smaller scale
People only look at the plot with Elise in that game and they don't look at any of the things it does right
Yeah, Shadow's story is probably the best part of the game and Silver's was also pretty good
I mean i have never played o6 but its story is what i know about it
I mean i play kingdom hearts games
Understanding the plot is easy
Because the adventure games did it better. There’s no plot holes, no ugly art style. They make it work
Sonic's for all ages, not children. My first sonic games were gens and colors, and even I could tell that something was wrong. Then I tried unleashed at a friends and that felt perfect, then played the original genesis games and that felt perfect, then adventure and that felt a bit too dark, blockbuster family movie is what I feel sonic should be going for. FAMILY, rather than children.
More like boost but it on life support
Forces is under 2 hours takes me 2 years
Sonic unleashed day stages will always be the gold standard for me when it comes to boost. Colors felt too 2D when I found the 3D sections way more fun, forces butchered the freedom unleashed gave you to make mistakes and learn from them while generations felt alittle too boxed in as an effort to limit sonic abit. The only modded games that get close to this feeling for me is sonic utopia and srb2 if I get a modern sonic game version of those two with boosts loose yet controlled nature I'd be satisfied.
Sonic unleashed is my first 3d sonic game to
They have lost that smooth feel that Unleashed and Generations gave us. Forces felt like they just took the Lost World engine and added a boost mechanic without adjusting the physics. Frontiers was a little bit better but still failed to give the polished feel that we use to get (when it came to the boost mechanic).