Protection Paladin Guide [Patch 9.2]

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  • @WoWatNight
    @WoWatNight  2 роки тому +1

    Weakauras: wago.io/9ymbsZtF4
    2/28 Hotfix: Pulsating Riftshard damage doubled, but shield reduced by 50%. This is a nerf. The damage is still bad, and the shield is now no longer great. www.wowhead.com/news/patch-9-2-datamined-sepulcher-of-the-first-ones-trinket-hotfixes-for-feb-28th-326139

  • @videomaster952
    @videomaster952 2 роки тому +4

    my paladin is currently at level 52 and your video just gave me so much motivation to level up and make it my main! thank u!

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому

      Oh really! That's awesome ☺

    • @periodicbeast9994
      @periodicbeast9994 2 роки тому

      As a 12-year prot veteran, you aren't going to do dick for damage until you get super geared up. Leveling you will top DPS charts in dungeons. But the second you hit 60 your power goes way down.

  • @rubengonzalez3222
    @rubengonzalez3222 2 роки тому +3

    Pretty sure from testing that 4p bonus does not trigger judgement of light. Only direct judgements cast by you.

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому +6

      Incorrect. It was a bug early in the PTR, and was fixed a while back. Tested it prior to writing the script, tested while recording, and tested again prior to replying. It works with Judgment of Light.

  • @jasongardner2797
    @jasongardner2797 2 роки тому +1

    Decided to level a Prot Pally a few weeks ago and wow it has been so much fun and i like tanking again. My main is Havoc DH, but depending on how they feel in 10.0 I might be switching to Prot as my main.

  • @trevorcherry9399
    @trevorcherry9399 2 роки тому +1

    I'm running the spatter scale trinket I'd the phial from PF alroght to boost damage? I love my prot pally! I'm also running the spare meat hook trinket. Trying to find another trinket to help with damage I'm kyrian as well! Venthry If they buff ahsen hollow again

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому

      Phial is terrific for damage output. Hook's decent, but not as consistently good as Phial. Kyrian's great for M+, they would have to buff Venthyr to an insane degree for it to compete with the consistency of Kyrian!

  • @jacebeleren9682
    @jacebeleren9682 2 роки тому +1

    But what are the best slots to make the leggos for? Great video regardless though.

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks! For the most part, the best Legendary slots will be a function of your gear. Getting 4-piece bonus and maximizing item level are the most important things to emphasize.
      High-budget pieces and slots that get a guaranteed socket as a Legendary (such as helm) tend to be ideal Legendary slots, as long as they don't create any conflict with equipping tier. Rings are decent Legendary options because there's less friction with other gear. If the gold cost of re-crafting Legendaries is a concern (and it's definitely annoying even if gold's not a problem), belt and ring are pretty safe, high-impact spots.

    • @jacebeleren9682
      @jacebeleren9682 2 роки тому +1

      @@WoWatNight thanks for the reply even months after the video. Just gearing an old pally I made as my first toon when I started the game back in season 1 of shadow lands. It's the opposite faction but I wanna prep for cross faction content 😄

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому

      @@jacebeleren9682 Happy to help! We're really excited for the cross-faction content, too!

  • @Neldawg316
    @Neldawg316 2 роки тому +3

    As a DH tank for season 1 and 2. Not real high keys but we were working towards 20s. My paladin is 10 ilvls lower and I already feel tankier and doing similar damage. I think I'm making the swap now. Only thing I miss is my chains lol

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому

      Yeah, big time. Doing runs on a 255+, fully SoD-bis'ed out VDH this week and comparing to a Kyrian Prot Pally that's at least 10 ilvl behind, there's no comparison. Prot Pally blows VDH away in terms of tankiness, and the group utility is arguably in Pally's favor, too.
      Mobility and cooldown package are VDH's big advantages over Pally, and neither are anywhere as important in M+ as in raids. With full tier bonuses and double Legendary, VDH will gain a lot of offensive and defensive juice in M+, but right now it's feeling R O U G H.

  • @DARKDAYZ_YT
    @DARKDAYZ_YT 2 роки тому +2

    I just got my pally to level 50 and hitting SL today. Should I just pick Kyrian as my starter and worry about venthyr later?

    • @DARKDAYZ_YT
      @DARKDAYZ_YT 2 роки тому

      Also should I use last stand for taunting in M+?

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому

      Yes to Kyrian, probably not to Last Stand. Righteous Protector is going to be more consistently useful in all content.

    • @DARKDAYZ_YT
      @DARKDAYZ_YT 2 роки тому +1

      @@WoWatNight okay I really appreciate the quick reply. Great video btw!

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому

      @@DARKDAYZ_YT Thank you!

  • @korazjian5251
    @korazjian5251 2 роки тому +1

    How relevant is this atm?
    This will be my first tank I’ll be making.
    I’m deciding on either prot pally, blood DK or bear Druid.
    Which one would you say is most alt friendly and for self healing (forgiving).
    And lastly for m+ dps?

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому

      It's still largely accurate on the Pally info.
      Blood DK received a hotfix early in Patch 9.2 that significantly improved their potential DPS once they have the 4 piece tier set bonus. It's generally regarded as the best tank in both Mythic+ and raids right now, and for good reason. Blood's damage output is A+, the survivability is A+, it's really strong right now.
      Bear has fallen off a cliff. They were doing well in Mythic+ -- not raid -- and then they got a big nerf that hurt their damage everywhere.
      Pally has pretty much held steady. It's a good class that deals a lot of damage and has solid self-healing. It has some survivability concerns at the upper echelon of key pushing, but in the majority of content it's really, really good, and the group utility is unparalleled.

  • @tsakos12
    @tsakos12 2 роки тому

    What are your thoughts on Ticking Sack trinket from Tazavesh as a DPS trinket in M+?

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому

      It was extremely good for its item level prior to Patch 9.2. It got slightly nerfed, but is available at higher ilvl now, so that tends to offset. In general, it's very good for DPS, like a more M+--friendly version of Phial of Putrefaction.

  • @warpathh
    @warpathh 2 роки тому

    What about Bells of the Endless Feast for a threat trinket?

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому +1

      Way too long of a rampup to be useful for on-pull threat, which is the main spot threat matters. It's for single-target DPS purposes only, and it's very mediocre there.

  • @HanglowTheNoob
    @HanglowTheNoob 2 роки тому +3

    Returning player here. My pally is 40 now. I must be missing alot of info at this point. None of this makes sense to me.

    • @joelcaughell4777
      @joelcaughell4777 2 роки тому +1

      That’s mainly because most of the stuff talked about in this video is from end game content in shadowlands, although the covenants can be accessed early if one char already levelled normally through the first time.

    • @dojyr3130
      @dojyr3130 2 роки тому

      Well yeah. Get to 60 lol

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому

      Most class guides are oriented towards max level play. You can find guides for leveling and returning players on sites like Wowhead that can help with the leveling process! Here's a link! www.wowhead.com/guides

  • @GreyNimbus41
    @GreyNimbus41 2 роки тому +1

    Prot Pally is the best solo class EVER! That's why my main is one.

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 місяці тому

      We missed your comment when you originally left it, but we're trying to do better. but interesting

  • @warpathh
    @warpathh 2 роки тому +1

    What do you think about the Adaptive Armor Fragment in the Potency?

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому +1

      Worst potency conduit by far.

  • @warpathh
    @warpathh 2 роки тому

    What do you think about the Codex of the First Technique and Slimy Consumptive Organ? I like the organ's heal and wanted your thoughts! Great content and subbed!

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому +1

      First Technique is really strong. The proc uptime is impressively high, and as long as you're consistently tanking, it will provide a massive amount of damage and healing.
      Slimy Consumptive Organ is not great. The healing simply does not add up to much over time, and it doesn't provide any offensive value at all.

    • @warpathh
      @warpathh 2 роки тому

      @@WoWatNight Thanks and agree about the slimy organ however mine is 260ilvl and the heal seems to scale nicely so it's as big as an instant self heal from what I can tell.

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому

      @@warpathh Understandable. There's nothing wrong with using a suboptimal trinket as a temporary stopgap. You just hang onto it until you pick up something that offers more overall value, like an IQD, a Blood-Spattered Scale, or a Codex.

  • @easy6336
    @easy6336 2 роки тому +2

    I just got into prot pally tanking and I'm happy I found your vid, great video that cleared all my questions

  • @Med_Sel
    @Med_Sel 2 роки тому +1

    Old worrior soul is still cool to start with

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому

      True, it's better than any trinkets from Heroic Sepulcher, at the very least.

  • @spindoggytheexplorer2915
    @spindoggytheexplorer2915 2 роки тому

    Did venthyr take a heavy nerf in 9.2? I’m looking to build a pally that will be viable for both mid level keys and pvp, which covenant would be my go to? Is Necrolord good in pvp? There’s a shockingly low number of people making videos about this, thanks for all the info. Has anything changed since the patch went live?

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому

      Nope, the nerf was to healing only, and relatively minor. It's absolutely usable for mid-level keys, it just requires a different approach from Kyrian. Kyrian goes for chain-pulling, Venthyr goes for more mass-pulls when cooldowns are up.
      All four Covenants are usable in PvP. Venthyr has the largest burst, but it's reliant on your teammates' CC to keep enemies in the Ashen Hallow, and the downtime on burst windows is extremely long.
      Necrolord's burst windows are smaller, but up way more often, and the defensive value of Fleshcraft is immense.
      Night Fae is a bit in between. Blessing of Summer burst windows can be really strong, depending on who you're playing with, and Soulshape is excellent, but the amount of time required to cycle back to Summer takes a couple of minutes.

  • @itachiUchiha-ud7iv
    @itachiUchiha-ud7iv 2 роки тому

    prot pala takes high damage from mobs in dungeon and i couldn't fix it what should i do?

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому +3

      Be sure you're maintaining Shield of the Righteous, standing in Consecrate, and interrupting caster mobs. When your health dips low, use free Word of Glory casts to heal yourself back up. Use Ardent Defender or Guardian of Ancient Kings when you make big or dangerous pulls.

  • @erico.6162
    @erico.6162 2 роки тому

    Thanks for the guide. The only 2 things i was looking for wich absolutely no other side covered was if "Judgement of Light" was also casted by the 4piece and if "magistrat" will be a valid option.
    Was great to know! :)
    There´s only 1 point i hardly disagree with. Using consecrated ground instead of Judgement of Light is actually just intentional griefing. The ~2k hps in an M+ you´re missing is a really big deal.
    And all you do with it is just slowing mobs, wich should be slowed by your teammates in given situations. (Except for Necrotic weeks).

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому

      Judgment of Light's healing in M+ is not bad, but being able to kite regardless of the group comp can be useful on higher keys, especially on some of the more difficult Fortified weeks, such as Fort-Raging, Fort-Necrotic, and so on.
      Also, despite being against it in the video, I've been using Hand of the Protector in climbing to 3k on the Pally, and it is extremely nice. It provides more overall healing than Judgment of Light if you use it proactively. The ability to spot heal during hectic moments is good, and throwing 60k+ Word of Glory crits into party members can totally trivialize mechanics that would normally require major defensive cooldowns. The tree mobs at the start of Mists of Tirna Scithe that channel on random targets are a good example.
      Judgment of Light is a much simpler choice, so there's still a place for it, but it's generally just for lazy healing in raids and M+.

  • @recon13ful
    @recon13ful 2 роки тому +2

    On the official paladin discord, night fae is considered the best paladin with 2 legendaries and the 4 piece set bonus, would like to know your thoughts on it!

    • @Med_Sel
      @Med_Sel 2 роки тому

      Ashen hallow is 4 min and u can cancel early to allign it with wings so u will have venth leggo and hammer of wrath leggo huge 2min burst windows with ashen and wings up every 2 min . That's going to be best in raids imo

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому

      Night Fae has some positives. Soulshape is terrific, the collection of Blessings offers a variety of utility and throughput buffs that you can use on yourself or other group members, and the Legendary is a simple, effective throughput increase. Using Blessing of Summer on a Moonkin, for example, who's using all their cooldowns and getting other externals like PI can be a huge DPS increase -- but it's more useful for parsing during farm than it is for progression.
      The problem is that NF just doesn't really compare with Venthyr in terms direct burst of damage, which can be crucial for making damage checks. That's kind of a big reason you would bring a Prot Paladin to a raid. Their tankiness is great, but lots of tanks are tanky. Only Venthyr Pally can consistently put out face-melting amounts of burst damage. Venthyr doesn't require coordinating with another player's cooldowns to maximize its value, either. Night Fae requires a heavy degree of coordination and planning to use effectively. Venthyr provides a major raid healing cooldown, which can help with getting through tough boss mechanics. Night Fae's single-target healing increase really isn't comparable. It can be useful as a personal defensive CD of sorts, but it's not on par with Ashen Hallow in terms of raid value.
      Basically, Night Fae is a bit of a halfway point between the defensive utility of Kyrian and the offensive value of Venthyr, but without the same level of consistency. It requires substantially more coordination than either to use effectively, and it's reliant on other players to maximize its value. Venthyr cuts through all of that, and just deals an enormous amount of healing and damage. It's pretty great!

  • @TheRemulosEpsolonProgramme
    @TheRemulosEpsolonProgramme 2 роки тому

    Over 109 DOS runs and still no scale.

  • @itskhro
    @itskhro 2 роки тому +3

    3:10 BfA Prot Warrior :)

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому +1

      True, it ruled!
      Then they used it as justification to absolutely orbital strike Warrior talents in 9.0!

  • @Dunkkan575
    @Dunkkan575 2 роки тому

    Hey, are there any "mandatory" weakauras a protection pally should have? Thank you

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому

      Not really. Weakauras are just a tool. Their primary value is helping track buff uptimes and resource, but they're not the only way to do that. You can check out the weakauras linked in the pinned comment for a good starting point, if you like.

  • @Ivan92P
    @Ivan92P 2 роки тому +1

    I'm just knowing u and I already love u

  • @filipepereira5731
    @filipepereira5731 2 роки тому +2

    war was broken last xpack (BFA) in dmg, idk what you are talking about by saying prot pally dmg was broken for 10 years

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому +1

      Talking about raid.

    • @thebunz7
      @thebunz7 2 роки тому

      @@WoWatNight no way, BFA pre 8.2 prot warrior damage was broken and no tank even close

  • @Franklinsone
    @Franklinsone 2 роки тому +1

    I just watched all your tank videos as I main all tank classes on horde and alliance. I only do M15s though as I can't stay on a schedule for raids or harder content. My druids and paladins can pug M15s with ease , but my other tanks needs a lot of work and higher ilvl to time 15s. My favorite tank is my DKs because of death grip. I miss it everything I play other tanks. People just don't know how to help me by using their range interrupts.

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому

      True, coordinating interrupts in pugs can be one of the toughest things in the game!

    • @Franklinsone
      @Franklinsone 2 роки тому

      Also, just pugged a normal SoTFO and was stuck on a boss with my Warrior tank. I wasn't getting healed enough. Always sat around 20% HP. Swapped to my Paladin and downed thr boss with ease. Both tanks were 254 ilvl.

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому

      @@Franklinsone Yeah, that's a historic problem for Prot Warriors. As fun as it is with tier bonuses and double legendary powers, it's still more reliant on external healing than most other tanks. The free Ignore Pain spam from having 4 pieces of tier is really great, but it's still a disadvantage.

  • @ak47fatih68
    @ak47fatih68 2 роки тому

    crit is so bad, why do we have that on the sets and divide it into 3

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому

      Blizzard knew that the only thing stopping all Mythic+ groups from just being 5 Kyrian Prot Pallies was slightly bad itemization on tier pieces.
      JK, who knows why they itemize gear the way they do? It's a mystery.

  • @desdicadodog8452
    @desdicadodog8452 2 роки тому +1

    Good video. However, pally has been middle of the road for 4 years. Just let us be good for one expac. I have never seen a pally tank in an MDI.

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому

      Hah. It has been pretty well-represented in high-level M+ pushing throughout the years and consistently dominant in terms of tank damage (lol), but it hasn't really been the flavor of the month spec.
      UNTIL NOW! (maybe, probably still Bear Druid)

    • @desdicadodog8452
      @desdicadodog8452 2 роки тому

      @@WoWatNight where ispally in the MDI? Never seen one in the finals

  • @BlackRoseThornEtna
    @BlackRoseThornEtna 2 роки тому

    i feel like this guy only plays paladin because he wants to do dmg as a tank.

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому

      That's the main reason any tank plays Prot Pally, chief. You don't play it for defensive resilience or convenient self-healing.
      It has interrupts, it has burst damage, and it has unique cooldowns.

    • @BlackRoseThornEtna
      @BlackRoseThornEtna 2 роки тому

      @@WoWatNight or maybe it's utility, the strongest defensive in the game, probably the best off healing amongst tanks. But I'm sure you'll drop it once warrior beats it's dmg like a true Meta slave. This whole video makes you seem like someone that just wants to bring down the enemy not protect his allies.

    • @WoWatNight
      @WoWatNight  2 роки тому

      I've maintained all six tanks at a high-end raiding level since Legion, and all five tanks before that, so you seem to just be creating a guy to get mad at online. Sorry dawg.
      Pally is the ONLY tank that can offheal while actively tanking. It's a really valuable skill to develop, but offhealing just isn't why it gets played in Mythic+ or raids. People don't think like that. Prot Paladin gets played in raids because it has incredible burst damage that comes with a solid raid healing CD, and unique utility in the form of Spellwarding. Divine Shield/BoP debuff clearing opportunities have been pretty few and far between in the years since MoP. They still come up at times, but are just as frequently invalidated by mechanics like Sylvanas' debuff, or more complex mechanical encounters like Anduin where an immunity offers no value. Spellwarding provides a ton of value for fights like Kel'thuzad or Desaugne, where it can eliminate entire soak mechanics.
      Pally is played in Mythic+ because of its consistently high DPS output and the unreasonable barrage of silences/interrupts it provides. Sac and BoP are arguably weaker than Intervene and Rallying Cry in terms of providing consistent defensive group value, but Pally was still more than 5 times as popular as Warrior in 25+ M+ in S3 despite objectively being less tanky and offering less defensive utility because it brings vastly more damage and a limitless supply of interrupts. Both tanks received defensive buffs in S4, with Warriors getting a larger buff. Pally is still more popular than Warriors at a high level because the reason they were popular before has not changed.