@@htopherollem649Amazing how Chinese people get cheaper gas than we do on our own gas! Same with our lamb. We pay more than people who buy Australian lamb in Japan & China etc. We get robbed hard.
AGree - all my mates who smoke buy the less than $20 a pack illegal smokes. Nearly $70 a pack of Marlboro 20's for the taxed ones, I can buy two packs of illegal ones for a hair over half that.
Everybody I know buys cheaper ciggies, gov is capping. All their numbers is fake including them thinking they've gotten people to quit, all they've done is made people buy the cheaper stuff and hide it.
The taxation does go to hospitals. Eight billion dollars per year is paid in taxes from cigarettes, but they cost society thirty billion dollars per year in smoking-related illnesses. That means every Australian is paying nearly two thousand dollars per year in taxes to pay for smoker's disgusting habits!
@@Dazzwiddit's not to just tax them. It's to specifically tax smokers who incidentally are high in proportion amongst the poor.... But that goes for every tax essentially.
@@dzooki3672 yeah when I go to Bali is $3.90 so about $12 for 4 and I can smoke just about anywhere. Welcome to Australia the land of no stop and don’t and it wil cost you 🥹
@@peterrobbins2862 I was a pack a day smoker for 25 years and my medical bills due to my smoking are $0 so they very obviously have paid for their medical bills, I demand a refund of those wasted taxes
Not too long before the start of the 21st century you could buy a carton of cigarettes through Woolworths on special for $9 Do you truly think, it's just 85% tax That's a carton not a pack.
Yeah $50 or 60 here $ 3 in Europe How can government justify that? Other than filling their own pockets? And don’t get me started on the health issue. I have private health insurance… been paying it for my whole working life… so in a way I pre paid everything…why taking away enjoyment out of your life just because government is greedy? I say support the black market
The Australian government is a fox in the hen house. Instead of investing to innovate to create jobs, why not bring in students from overseas so we can tax them too. The house market is outrageous, how are Aussies supposed to grow the population when you need 2.5 kids per family to grow the nation. Where is all this tax money going, or is it lazy/ mismanagement to to keep Australians in a hole that we will never come out from. Singapore's government started to build houses and sold them to their people for an affordable price. Why ain't we doing that? Australian will be on the extinction list soon. I can go on for ever about where Australia is headed.
Smoking rax raised yearly: 12.7 billion. Smoking cost to healthcare system: 6.8 billion. Regardless of your insurance smokers pay for their healtcare almost twice over every year.
When you see law abiding Grand Mothers buying black market cigarettes, when we all see so many around us being forced back into cigarettes you know something is very very wrong
Im sorry the government DO NOT WANT US TO GIVE UP... NOT AT ALL... Cigarettes are the most highest taxed item in Australia, they love us smoking, they get so much money off of us to squander its got nothing to do with worrying at how many people are dying from smoking, it's about getting more and more money off of us smokers, always has been
@@Strikeforce-1 mums private NIB health was up to $180 a week in the end. They were trying very hard to get her to cancel it because she was a smoker. In the end she got cancer & with all the tests, treatment & 6 weeks hospice care at a private hospital she ended up costing them more than she gave them in over 40yrs.
just order a rolling machine and pipe tobacco and filter tubes from any smoke shop in the US. they cost about $1.05 American per pack after the purchase of a rolling machine. The right combination of tubes and tobacco and you will prefer them to name brands. I'm sure the cost of shipping will still be less than what Australia is charging. luck to you
With the price going up every 3 months, it's obvious the government are taking advantage of smokers (who have tried many times to give up) addictions & blaintently ripping them off. Aust pays the highest in the world for tobacco & EVERYTHING because we are harder to reach, we are in the middle of the ocean. The cheapest pack of 20's in America costs $6 compared to $36 in Aust. We DONT see America or English governments charging its citizens ludicrous prices for tobacco so why does the Aust government?
@@loosegoose9647If people die from smoking related disease, they may cost less than someone who lives to old age and requires not only medical but assisted living also.
I remember my mum buying a packet of 20 smokes for .$2.30c back in the early 1990s The price hike to stop people smoking was purely only revenue purpose and brought further financial hardship
It hasn’t even stopped people smoking as well. People just went over to black market and then that data isn’t officially recorded so it seems people are quitting.
@BrattyB33 All people had started up smoking for bad reasons, although some people like to smoke, though.and don't want to quit dispite knowing it isn't good for them. Smoking for some people gives them something to do. Suppress appetite, calms them from being nervous and fidgeting, and they find smoking works better for them than other methods.
*It might have started out been a public health issue but once both governments tasted those billions in excise than it became about the money otherwise they wouldn't be crying over losing $250 million over 5 years.*
It never started as a health issue. All government policies are based on their lobby groups. They support their lobby groups who then bring in the votes for them. This is how politics work. Its all about the votes and money, never about the ppl or logic.
I remember when they first announced this. They said they were going to increase taxes to help people quit smoking. I knew from day 1 it was just about the money.
How about tax alcohol to the hilt too? Leads to plenty of deaths and hospitalisations....or how about the government back off and let people have their vices? If people are not breaking any laws leave them the F alone
I work in security! The amount of regular everyday people I've seen empty public ash trays in order to get discarded cigarettes in order to make cigarettes is a daily occurrence! It's 100% because of the unreasonable cost! 🤷 Labor and it's logic makes no sense🤷
The tax on tobacco is supposed to be for healthcare yet in areas like rural nsw healthcare doesnt exist. The question is where does all the money go? Fines, rego and fuel tax is also meant to pay for roads, we have the worst roads of any 1st world country. The government has some explainig to do.
I don't think prohibition works, and trying to achieve it by increasing the tax far enough can be counter productive. We've managed to reduce smoking dramatically without making it impossible or illegal to get. But if we're going to imagine how much more money people would have to spend in their communities, how about also imagining how much more money people would have to spend on their families and kids if they didn't smoke, and didn't spend so much on alcohol. And it still costs us all far more in health care funding than what the tax on cigarettes generates. Cigarette tax has never paid for the cost of treating cigarette related illness, and the other costs that imposes on society.
You don't get to argue that smoking costs the country billions in healthcare and that smokers are taking up beds in our hospitals and then complain that the 25 billion dollars revenue hole caused by overpricing tobacco to unsustainable levels won't be available for roads, rail and infrastructure. It's not rocket science.
@@axle.australian.patriot health,told keep smoking and in ten years assisted breathing. But I'll be 70, something else might take me out by then. I'd give up if I could,but if I'm having a beer it goes hand in hand
So 10 years ago I walked into a Foodworks in Qld and bought a 25g pouch of Winfield blue with filters papers and a lighter and it cost me $19.95..... today I went to a Woolworths in brisbane and it cost me 89$ for the same things....... That's a 4.5x or 450% rise in price since 2014..... Sorry but my milk in 2014 cost me $3.50 and now costs $5.50 that's only a 75% increase over 10 years why do I have to pay so much for my smokes but if I order some seeds from eBay and grow a plant I can get charged or jailed just the same as growing marijuana..... Everything Is a manipulating slave driving scam when it comes to our freedoms or money...
Tobacco is now 40% of my pay per week. It used to be way less years ago. I should give up but I can't and it is my thing! Crime is going up because of this tax on Tobacco, people are addicted and just can't stop.. Stop the high tax!!!
*I recently turned to black market smokes even though they are still $20 for a pack of 20 you are still saving $16 a day,, I wish I knew where I could get them for $10 a pack. They must be cheaper in the city.. my smoke shop was raided on Thursday but the guy said he should have more in this week. he said they were raided 8 months ago and never even received a fine*
@@MrBibi86 He must have had them on display. Cops can't get a search warrant for tobacco because it is a legal drug. They must either see it or suspect they have something illegal to raid them. That's how they get away with it so easily.
They already taxed half of your breath (carbon tax), I am not surprised at all if one day they will start taxing the inhale part. Greedy and control freaks this government.
@mista2621 Yes, you can buy it from doctors at higher than black market prices. The government still left the door open for the black market as the black market marihuana is just slightly cheaper. Empowering criminals. If they legalised and decriminalised, all could buy some seeds at a marihuana shop and GROW YOUR OWN FOR FREE. FREE
@squidwardwithoutaclue I know exactly where it comes from. I am a reformed smoker. It can be grown for free, too. I am just pointing out the fact that you do not need a medical certificate to drink alcohol or cigarettes and that if you consume these as a responsible adult all is fine. Yet a person has to pay for a free pass on marihuana in Australia and pay black market prices.
Wanna go halves in a shop? We'll just start selling dacka out of it, should be able to make a mint by the time the opperkays shut it down. My local Bikie smoke shop has been in business for over two years now lol
@MD77248 the price changes barely made a dent. What made all of it work was to outlaw smoking around other people and give them only designated areas.
Why is the smoking rate in young people climbing if taxation is working? One government representative points out that it's not working, and then the very next one says it does work to stop young people smoking. Both pushing for more tax!
*The thing is the majority of people who smoke are people on benefits or low-income workers. so you are just hurting their families at this stage because people in these families are missing out on things*
Unfortunately its the same here in NZ and its often the poorest people in the country who still smoke and are hurt the most with the costs involved.Ands its increased the crime rate especially with ram raids on small shops as now they all carry tousands of dollars of product in-store.
12 billion last year in tobacco taxes was the magic number not mentioned. Government is under the delusion that we all want to live forever and pay tax.
If government cared about health our food standards would be much higher, our medical policies wouldn't be harming us with things being forced on us as safe & effective, our skies & crops wouldn't be getting sprayed with god knows what, our drinking water wouldn't be getting flouride & chlorine put in it, & we would trust labels & government policies with health policies.
Was paying $20 a pack below blacktown station on the cnr there moved to the Phillipines now pay ₱38 (that’s $1australian) good quality smuggled cigarettes vs ₱140 (that’s $4 Australian) legal ones here. The overtaxing in australia created the whole illegal market Fact !
It isn't that people are now giving criminals money. It is that people are giving a different group of criminals money because they offer a better deal.
My bigger concern is how some drugs are cheaper than cigarettes and you cannot control outcomes&I guarantee drug use has gone up&government should look at real cost to Australians Many need a relaxant and cigarettes are no longer option for many which is scary
@@jublywubly Do you understand how polluted the air is just from industries, cars and oh, those phones you use consume a lot of radiation from cell towers, not to mention the damage to your body and brain from having them so close to your body. Not to mention the very wifi you use in your house is covered in radiation. You are literally breathing radiation DAILY and yet you dont even know it. Dont believe me. Get yourself a radiation emf device and go stand near a phone tower and watch the excess amounts radiation coming from them, not to mention microwave ovens, trucks, cars, industries, you name it. And you are whining about a puff of smoke that dissipates in seconds. Cigarette smoke is just a fart in the wind compared to everything else you breath and eat.
No tax collected on Aussie gas, given to Japan for free, where they sell it on and profit from OUR GAS. Albo is spending 100s of thousands of taxpayers dollars in legal fees to keep those documents hidden from Aussie voters hidden until 2042. The very documents they signed off on.
@huntingbeeswarmstasmania4340 food air being alive dying taking a dump rooting your neighbours wife waking up have I missed anything oh yes getting a stiffy
They are going to have to wipe it out entirely if they want the customers back, be stuffed if I'm paying extortion payments. They dug themselves hole so deep I doubt they can climb back out.
I tell you what they should drop the tax on. Draught beer. I don't drink much but I used to go to the pub for the social aspect. A couple of pots and a chat. Now there's no one there. It's unaffordable. It's killing pubs and isolating people.
they want teh property for developing. so everyone stays home, gets drunk in silence, dont want us talking or getting out. buy online. deliver to your door. pay online. dont converse. dont go out. beat the missus, the DV case means more funding for police, more "calls for more surveillance"... no where to talk, nowhere to relax, nowhere to be human... make sure to watch the footy... in a few weeks, its cricket for the next 6 months... dont think, just sit at home alone. got all you need in your lap...
Back in the Early 80s, a Carton of 24 stubbies was $20.00, now they are $50.00. A Carton of Winfield 25s was about $20.00. That's 10 packs of 25. Now the smokes cost over $500.00. Why don't you drink at home for a bit over $2.00 a beer?
I've spent the last ten years in Malaysia and paid RM19 for a pouch and RM15 for a pack of smokes. That's like AU$5... Now you're paying $50 a pack, that's basically RM150... There is no justification for this, it is extortion. People will not stop smoking they will just find alternatives or be forced to pay more. The people need to stand up and fight back, regardless if you're a smoker or not, this is absolutely ridiculous prices.
My Grandma is 65 smoked since she was 12 has never had a health problem related to smoking the only reason for her to go to hospital was to have her kids... Other that that she's a healthy ole gal
You have no non smoking clone of your grandma to compare her to. So it's a meaningless statement. If she dies at 75 you'll never know if she would have died at 85 as a non smoker
she will in the next 5yrs. I bet she bruises easily & cuts take a while to heal. Mum was the same but at 75 she was told she had 15 months to live & the doctor was spot on.
@@vanessac1965 why this delusional irrational desire that you must have a long life? that merely living 'another decade" is some measure of how well a life has been led? living to 75 is fine. why should it be 'better" simply because she lives to 85? and what if shes still kicking at 95? your statement is just as meaningless as the one you criticise.
Most live till old age smoking you know how much the government lies about smoking? Check my comment if it's not removed on the main comment section. I'm to lazy to retype it. I would say do your own research but you got to reaky dig for the truth@@vanessac1965
Anyone could see what was going to happen when the government started with the high taxes on smokes....Now there is more taxpayers money going into investigations because of these tobacco wars here in Australia and the government is the cause of it..... Was all very well about smoke free zones but trying to control people's lives is a real issue...
Absolutely.. Do the sums to see why .. Imagine your a single mum on a unemployment pension trying to raise children...your doing your shopping & your 50 cigarettes a day habit runs at a cost of over $100 Bucks a day because that's what a pack of 50 cost .... So here's our single mum that can't give up the habit paying $700 a week to feed her habit .... HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK THAT SINGLE MUM NOW HAS FROM HER GOVERNMENT PENSION TO BUY FOOD TO FEED THE KIDS & HERSELF AS WELL AS PAY RENT & UTILITIES BILL'S ..... ANYONE ANYONE ANYONE... YES THE THE ANSWER IS $0 BECAUSE SHE DOES NOT EVEN RECEIVE THAT MUCH IN GOVERNMENT PAYMENTS ... THE GOVERNMENT HAS CREATED A BLACK MAKET OPPORTUNITY FOR THE UNDERWORLD TO EXPLOIT & THEY THEY ARE BIG TIME.. . Next question? if everyone ever did quit smoking & stop drinking alcohol in Australia how much money would the government have to run the country? ANYONE ANYONE ANYONE YES THATS RIGHT $0 THE COUNTRY WOULD BE BROKE WITHIN TWO WEEKS
A pack was $6.50 a few years ago (consecutively for years), until they added an additional 35 cent tax. In the few years since, the price per pack has doubled and another increase is to come within a month. Non smoking voters, I don't know how you think making the tobacco companies more rich & powerful and smokers more poor are helping smokers. Something is wrong when I can go to Japan and get American imported cigarettes for 1/4 the price as the same cigarettes in America.
The black market isn't everywhere. Sure some people will be able to source cheap illegal cigarettes, mainly in cities, but for the majority of the population they will never encounter a black market source. So the majority of smokers will continue having to pay the taxes
6 years ago for a 25gram pouch of tobacco (roll your own) i was paying $42, now $69 for the same pouch. What is the government doing with all the money they are profiting from the tax increases they do twice a year on tobacco? I agree the money should be going back into the health system or even put it into quit programs and quit help
2.85 at a kwik mart in bali on a remote island, 12 bucks at the local non government shop, 55 at woolies. Drop smokes to 1 dollar a stick and there will be no black market.
Its all about getting more money by preying on the addiction that tobacco smokers suffer from. Manking has smoked since as far as recorded history has documented and mankind will continue to grow and smoke tobacco until the end of mankind. Sure we are lucky to have such a good health system and im grateful for that but since the dramatic rise in taxes on tobacco i havnt seen much of that money invested into the treatment of those wanting to quit smoking. And the treatment available to smoking related diseases is similar to what it was before the outragous taxes. At the end of the day the real main reason for the outrageous increase on tobacco taxes was for the gov to make cash of the suffering of others which is rather cunning, oportunistic and uncaring of them considering the new levels of crime, violence and suffering that have arrived in Australia as a direct result of the outragous taxes. Drop the taxes and stop the new form of suffering that so many innocent people are suffering from due to the taxes.
The government does not care about my health. It`s all about revenue, nothing else.
There's no other reason for a vape ban. The f*cktards.
Congratulations. You're awake, cheers
McFries doesnt have a health warning
@@WillC-s5q Mate, you eat Mcfries? Maddest dawg !!
@@deanhall6045 don't eat it, it's not food and 1 serve is worse then a 20 pack of cigarettes
They could raise the royalties on our iron ore which hasn't risen since 1978
China won't let us do that lol
or they could tax all of the natural gas that is exported
Could make gina and twiggy pay money for oil
@@htopherollem649Amazing how Chinese people get cheaper gas than we do on our own gas! Same with our lamb. We pay more than people who buy Australian lamb in Japan & China etc. We get robbed hard.
@@StarkIller-df7gw that's true and it's not just cheaper it's better quality called 'export quality'.
As a smoker, all I can say is sucked in to the government 🖕
I agree. I 100% support the cheap black market smokes. What are they doing any different than the government? The government are just as bad.
I haven’t smoked for 12 years now but I agree, fcuk em.
Oath
Lol,yeah !! Like the numerous poisons you just " sucked in " with your most recent Filthy ciggie
Grow up !!
😂
15% of smokers buying tax free smokes is in my experience a *_massive_* underestimation.
Gov always bullshits its numbers. You really think 98% of people took the Jab?
AGree - all my mates who smoke buy the less than $20 a pack illegal smokes. Nearly $70 a pack of Marlboro 20's for the taxed ones, I can buy two packs of illegal ones for a hair over half that.
Yep would buy illegal smokes any day. Government tryna milk us dry 😒
Everybody I know buys cheaper ciggies, gov is capping. All their numbers is fake including them thinking they've gotten people to quit, all they've done is made people buy the cheaper stuff and hide it.
Yeah they are dreaming... it's more like 85-90 percent
If tobacco taxes actually went to our hospitals we'd have the best hospital system in the world
👍👍
They are needed to pay for football stadiums and to fund the NRLs PNG Team, Albo’s got to buy his popularity some how
We do have one of the best hospital systems in the world dullard.
The taxation does go to hospitals. Eight billion dollars per year is paid in taxes from cigarettes, but they cost society thirty billion dollars per year in smoking-related illnesses.
That means every Australian is paying nearly two thousand dollars per year in taxes to pay for smoker's disgusting habits!
How do uou know this, just interested? @jublywubly
The cheap, legal alternative was vaping. The government just made that illegal because they wanted people to smoke, not vape.
Vape could last for several weeks that's why. Packet of smokes 2 days tops.
I thought it was to do with the tobacco companys bribing politicians to regulate and control the market like a cartel.
And zins/snus recently but they are cracking down on that aswell
I pay 50 bucks for 100 gram pouches in store.
Exactly
Greed! Greed! Greed! And the government is to blame for the Tobacco Turf Wars
They created the problem
100%
@@mickryan2450 they certainly did
yep why do you think they are trying to get rid of vapes
they don’t make any money off it
Legal OTC at a pharmacy now for over 18's
Public health issue.
Don’t tell me it’s about health!!!! It’s all about the tax
Of course it’s about health, dullard.
Taxing people who smoke is just another way to tax the poor instead of taxing billionaires.
False equivalence.
@@coasterblocks3420Semi false equivalence
@@Dazzwiddit's not to just tax them. It's to specifically tax smokers who incidentally are high in proportion amongst the poor.... But that goes for every tax essentially.
@@coasterblocks3420 awhh we found the government shill.
Marlboro red 20’s with tax $69.80 from the other place $12 to $15 it’s a no brainer
Even less. I just paid about $12 in Indonesia for four packs of Marlboro red 20's.
@@dzooki3672 yeah when I go to Bali is $3.90 so about $12 for 4 and I can smoke just about anywhere. Welcome to Australia the land of no stop and don’t and it wil cost you 🥹
@@dzooki3672Even the quality is better. Like miles better.
When I was back in the states.....Marlboro red 40s. $6 usd
Long live the black market ! i'll keep buying my Dunhill blues for $20 a pack or $120 a carton thanks Government lol .
There's over 85% tax on tobacco so a long term smokers have well and truly paid their medical bills at the end of the day
A lot of people think that, but it's never been true.
Nah they very obviously haven't
@@peterrobbins2862 I was a pack a day smoker for 25 years and my medical bills due to my smoking are $0 so they very obviously have paid for their medical bills, I demand a refund of those wasted taxes
Not too long before the start of the 21st century you could buy a carton of cigarettes through Woolworths on special for $9
Do you truly think, it's just 85% tax
That's a carton not a pack.
@jamesstirling3792 and pollies pay rises
Yeah
$50 or 60 here $ 3 in Europe
How can government justify that?
Other than filling their own pockets?
And don’t get me started on the health issue.
I have private health insurance… been paying it for my whole working life… so in a way I pre paid everything…why taking away enjoyment out of your life just because government is greedy?
I say support the black market
Yep ciggs are about $3 in Asia too
I went Ethiopia for holiday with my wife last year. 60c for a packet of smokes there..
The Australian government is a fox in the hen house. Instead of investing to innovate to create jobs, why not bring in students from overseas so we can tax them too. The house market is outrageous, how are Aussies supposed to grow the population when you need 2.5 kids per family to grow the nation. Where is all this tax money going, or is it lazy/ mismanagement to to keep Australians in a hole that we will never come out from.
Singapore's government started to build houses and sold them to their people for an affordable price. Why ain't we doing that?
Australian will be on the extinction list soon.
I can go on for ever about where Australia is headed.
@@Nathan-yy2xs i went to Laos about 15 years ago and bought a carton(10 packs) for USD$2.50....USD0.25c per pack....they were Bastos brand
Smoking rax raised yearly: 12.7 billion. Smoking cost to healthcare system: 6.8 billion. Regardless of your insurance smokers pay for their healtcare almost twice over every year.
When you see law abiding Grand Mothers buying black market cigarettes, when we all see so many around us being forced back into cigarettes you know something is very very wrong
Worked across the road from a vape shop, at least half were elderly buying cheap bungers
All grannies are pretty dollar savvy, they been around a bit 😂
Why would you want to live longer when all your going to do is slave away working to pay high taxes?
Hey at least you can retire at 76, when you are too fcuced to do much. That is the reward for a lifetime of hard work.
Exactly! Make the world a place where people actually want to live.
Bingo mate... well said
And they’ll keep pushing the super age out
Blackmarket tobacco is everywhere. Its a no brainer.
Ban vapes at same time as raising tax on cigarettes... the government is addicted to it
And gambling. The only reason they build us all new gambling...I mean sports stadiums
Ban big macs no more big mac cancer!
Im sorry the government DO NOT WANT US TO GIVE UP... NOT AT ALL... Cigarettes are the most highest taxed item in Australia, they love us smoking, they get so much money off of us to squander its got nothing to do with worrying at how many people are dying from smoking, it's about getting more and more money off of us smokers, always has been
You're clueless. Smoking costs the health system multiple times more than cigarette taxes raise.
@@Strikeforce-1 mums private NIB health was up to $180 a week in the end. They were trying very hard to get her to cancel it because she was a smoker. In the end she got cancer & with all the tests, treatment & 6 weeks hospice care at a private hospital she ended up costing them more than she gave them in over 40yrs.
just order a rolling machine and pipe tobacco and filter tubes from any smoke shop in the US. they cost about $1.05 American per pack after the purchase of a rolling machine. The right combination of tubes and tobacco and you will prefer them to name brands. I'm sure the cost of shipping will still be less than what Australia is charging. luck to you
With the price going up every 3 months, it's obvious the government are taking advantage of smokers (who have tried many times to give up) addictions & blaintently ripping them off.
Aust pays the highest in the world for tobacco & EVERYTHING because we are harder to reach, we are in the middle of the ocean.
The cheapest pack of 20's in America costs $6 compared to $36 in Aust.
We DONT see America or English governments charging its citizens ludicrous prices for tobacco so why does the Aust government?
@@Strikeforce-1Prove it!
Nanny state. People die from cancer regardless of how healthy their lifestyles and diets are.
Complete joke
do you understand how percentages work?
@@loosegoose9647 yes and far more people get cancer due to transportation pollution than smoking
@@robnguyen280 yes personally seen that
@@loosegoose9647If people die from smoking related disease, they may cost less than someone who lives to old age and requires not only medical but assisted living also.
Some people don't want to live a long life, if that's their choice, so be it.
I remember my mum buying a packet of 20 smokes for .$2.30c back in the early 1990s The price hike to stop people smoking was purely only revenue purpose and brought further financial hardship
It hasn’t even stopped people smoking as well. People just went over to black market and then that data isn’t officially recorded so it seems people are quitting.
Funny how that financial hardship leads to more stress and anxiety, which in turn makes it harder to quit smoking. Funny how that works.
It was $1.80 for a pack of winnie blues 25s in the late 80s.
Wouldn't have the hardship if ppl didn't get hooked to a cancer stick 😅
@BrattyB33 All people had started up smoking for bad reasons, although some people like to smoke, though.and don't want to quit dispite knowing it isn't good for them. Smoking for some people gives them something to do. Suppress appetite, calms them from being nervous and fidgeting, and they find smoking works better for them than other methods.
*It might have started out been a public health issue but once both governments tasted those billions in excise than it became about the money otherwise they wouldn't be crying over losing $250 million over 5 years.*
try billiom
Not 250 million it is 25 Billion.
same thing with fuel taxes and I say taxes because the excise is only 1 of the 5 taxes on fuel
It never started as a health issue. All government policies are based on their lobby groups. They support their lobby groups who then bring in the votes for them.
This is how politics work. Its all about the votes and money, never about the ppl or logic.
It's a cash grab nothing more regular people have known this for years
I remember when they first announced this. They said they were going to increase taxes to help people quit smoking. I knew from day 1 it was just about the money.
How about tax alcohol to the hilt too? Leads to plenty of deaths and hospitalisations....or how about the government back off and let people have their vices? If people are not breaking any laws leave them the F alone
Lol i dont drink but why do u think small country pubs are closing down all across the country its almost 20 dollars for a pint in some pubs
Alcohol already is taxed to the hilt.
Legalise cannabis
Everyone seems to be missing the point . . . it's more about control than money.
I work in security! The amount of regular everyday people I've seen empty public ash trays in order to get discarded cigarettes in order to make cigarettes is a daily occurrence! It's 100% because of the unreasonable cost! 🤷 Labor and it's logic makes no sense🤷
The dumper run.
Liberal or labor, same grey.
$14 a pack vs $50
Pretty easy decision
$20 where I'am but it's still a $16 saving on a pack of 20s
Mine got up to 60 a pack a couple weeks ago. Now I am getting 3 packs for the same price with B market smokes. The government can F off
@@MrBibi8612 here, Marlboro reds. They’re good only 12 bucks
@@MrBibi86
Wake up mate. You're buying black market ciggies Dumbo.
What you getting the Double Happiness???@@MrBibi86
It's the government that's addicted $$$$$$$$
Ding ding ding ding, we have a winner.
It’s actually embarrassing how unfun this country is
Leave people alone, let people do what they want
Gangsters love the tax, it's makes criminal business very profitable
Got me why they haven't been closed down
Stop controlling what people do. If someone wants to smoke leave them alone.
Yep...unless people are breaking the law, the government should let people have their vices
@@afrya3307 even laws are unlawful in this country. The media and government are puppets of the New World Order. Stop conforming!
That would be ok if you pay your own medical bills.
@@libatalklieb5793We all do, where do you think our tax money goes? We have socialised healthcare 🤦♂️
@@libatalklieb5793 no more driving a car and eating seed oils for you unless you pay for all your medical bills then
The tax on tobacco is supposed to be for healthcare yet in areas like rural nsw healthcare doesnt exist. The question is where does all the money go? Fines, rego and fuel tax is also meant to pay for roads, we have the worst roads of any 1st world country. The government has some explainig to do.
Just think how much money people would have to spend in thier communities...If they didnt have to hand it over to the greedy governments
I don't think prohibition works, and trying to achieve it by increasing the tax far enough can be counter productive. We've managed to reduce smoking dramatically without making it impossible or illegal to get. But if we're going to imagine how much more money people would have to spend in their communities, how about also imagining how much more money people would have to spend on their families and kids if they didn't smoke, and didn't spend so much on alcohol. And it still costs us all far more in health care funding than what the tax on cigarettes generates. Cigarette tax has never paid for the cost of treating cigarette related illness, and the other costs that imposes on society.
Why should smokers pay for everything thay can get stuffed
You don't get to argue that smoking costs the country billions in healthcare and that smokers are taking up beds in our hospitals and then complain that the 25 billion dollars revenue hole caused by overpricing tobacco to unsustainable levels won't be available for roads, rail and infrastructure. It's not rocket science.
Bring on the black market 👍😀
Tax gouging on an addictive substance?... That's always stunk of hypocrisy, just as much as govt concerns over public health.
Dealers monopolizing on their market.
The Australian government use to promote Winfield in the mid 70s. @ 70 cents a packet of 25s then.
We all smoke and we all wish we didn't
@@russe19642 Only because of the ridiculous costs.
@@axle.australian.patriot health,told keep smoking and in ten years assisted breathing. But I'll be 70, something else might take me out by then. I'd give up if I could,but if I'm having a beer it goes hand in hand
So 10 years ago I walked into a Foodworks in Qld and bought a 25g pouch of Winfield blue with filters papers and a lighter and it cost me $19.95..... today I went to a Woolworths in brisbane and it cost me 89$ for the same things....... That's a 4.5x or 450% rise in price since 2014.....
Sorry but my milk in 2014 cost me $3.50 and now costs $5.50 that's only a 75% increase over 10 years why do I have to pay so much for my smokes but if I order some seeds from eBay and grow a plant I can get charged or jailed just the same as growing marijuana..... Everything Is a manipulating slave driving scam when it comes to our freedoms or money...
@@DamoTrevo f the gov where can I buy seeds
Or you know, you could just not smoke.... or are you addicted?
@@zen1647 or maybe you could stop paying taxes that aren't your fault
Bloody oath, you got that right, spot on
Tobacco is now 40% of my pay per week. It used to be way less years ago. I should give up but I can't and it is my thing! Crime is going up because of this tax on Tobacco, people are addicted and just can't stop.. Stop the high tax!!!
I used to pay 60 a pack, now it's 20....F the government and their taxes....they are bullying the smokers who already have enough on their plates
Just go to a tobacco store and buy a carton/packet of cheapos don’t rip yourself off..
Just quit. Are you really that weak?
Have you thought about hypnotherapy
you can, you just don't want to.
ive been smoking since i was 13 in the 80s ill never give up
Bet you wish you didn't start
It went from $7 to over $50 a pack, wages however, have not increased 😂
*I recently turned to black market smokes even though they are still $20 for a pack of 20 you are still saving $16 a day,, I wish I knew where I could get them for $10 a pack. They must be cheaper in the city.. my smoke shop was raided on Thursday but the guy said he should have more in this week. he said they were raided 8 months ago and never even received a fine*
I turned to black women but found white ones screw better.
@@MrBibi86 He must have had them on display. Cops can't get a search warrant for tobacco because it is a legal drug. They must either see it or suspect they have something illegal to raid them. That's how they get away with it so easily.
The police get their smokes there too, so they send a heads up to the shop so theres minimal stock. Same as bootleggers.
@@MrBibi86 they can't get fined, tobacco is a legal substance no matter how it comes. Displaying bootleg tobacco is another story. Cheers.
Sack the Government.
NEXT CHARGE WILL BE BREATHING 80 BREATHS A MINUTE OTHERWISE YOU PAY $1 PER EXTRA BREATH
and $2 for every breath out due to "global warming" lol
😂😂😂
They already taxed half of your breath (carbon tax), I am not surprised at all if one day they will start taxing the inhale part.
Greedy and control freaks this government.
I used to joke about that.. really doesn't seem far off at this point
Marijuana is far far far cheaper what a joke
And you can buy it in Aus on prescription
It grows for free. An industry awaits...........
@mista2621 Yes, you can buy it from doctors at higher than black market prices. The government still left the door open for the black market as the black market marihuana is just slightly cheaper. Empowering criminals. If they legalised and decriminalised, all could buy some seeds at a marihuana shop and GROW YOUR OWN FOR FREE. FREE
@@lucasroe2878 damn where do you think tobacco comes from 😂
@squidwardwithoutaclue I know exactly where it comes from. I am a reformed smoker. It can be grown for free, too. I am just pointing out the fact that you do not need a medical certificate to drink alcohol or cigarettes and that if you consume these as a responsible adult all is fine. Yet a person has to pay for a free pass on marihuana in Australia and pay black market prices.
Discrimination has no place in Australia, unless its towards smokers
And white people!
And blue collar drinkers who enjoy a beer. Rich sassy wine drinkers are also exempt from tax rises.
You want to see real discrimination... try being a legal firearms owner in WA.
All they did was cause more crime
Wanna go halves in a shop?
We'll just start selling dacka out of it, should be able to make a mint by the time the opperkays shut it down.
My local Bikie smoke shop has been in business for over two years now lol
Nope. It definitely worked bringing down the smoking rate
@MD77248 the price changes barely made a dent. What made all of it work was to outlaw smoking around other people and give them only designated areas.
That is the idea.
Public health crisis… pfft says who? the government. Greedy politicians
Why is the smoking rate in young people climbing if taxation is working? One government representative points out that it's not working, and then the very next one says it does work to stop young people smoking. Both pushing for more tax!
If only this black market was predicted years ago. Oh, that's right, it was, repeatedly.
They repeatedly create black markets, as they recently did with vapes. We can see it, they dont give a rats.
*The thing is the majority of people who smoke are people on benefits or low-income workers. so you are just hurting their families at this stage because people in these families are missing out on things*
Lol, no they aren't.
@@falconmclenny7284 have you even bothered to look at the stats?
@@MrBibi86 nah, just going on 36 years of anecdotal evidence. All social classes smoke.
Unfortunately its the same here in NZ and its often the poorest people in the country who still smoke and are hurt the most with the costs involved.Ands its increased the crime rate especially with ram raids on small shops as now they all carry tousands of dollars of product in-store.
Haha they finally realised that smokers were paying for the whole healthcare system and now they're missing out on money they want it back
Only a small percent went to heaith, it was a con.
12 billion last year in tobacco taxes was the magic number not mentioned. Government is under the delusion that we all want to live forever and pay tax.
If government cared about health our food standards would be much higher, our medical policies wouldn't be harming us with things being forced on us as safe & effective, our skies & crops wouldn't be getting sprayed with god knows what, our drinking water wouldn't be getting flouride & chlorine put in it, & we would trust labels & government policies with health policies.
if the gov actually cared the first thing they'd ban is seed oils
Was paying $20 a pack below blacktown station on the cnr there moved to the Phillipines now pay ₱38 (that’s $1australian) good quality smuggled cigarettes vs ₱140 (that’s $4 Australian) legal ones here.
The overtaxing in australia created the whole illegal market
Fact !
400% too far! What do they use the tax on? To help smokers? Drinkers? Gamblers? Illegal drug addicts? Homeless people? Domestic violence victims?
It isn't that people are now giving criminals money. It is that people are giving a different group of criminals money because they offer a better deal.
My bigger concern is how some drugs are cheaper than cigarettes and you cannot control outcomes&I guarantee drug use has gone up&government should look at real cost to Australians
Many need a relaxant and cigarettes are no longer option for many which is scary
Smoking is a choice we don't like being told how to live
How about every other living creature's choice not to have their air polluted by selfish smokers?
@@jublywubly how about have a cup of harden the f up
@@jublywubly are you in elementary
mate, your air is constantly polluted by exhaust gases from cars, and you're worried about cigarettes? @jublywubly
@@jublywubly Do you understand how polluted the air is just from industries, cars and oh, those phones you use consume a lot of radiation from cell towers, not to mention the damage to your body and brain from having them so close to your body. Not to mention the very wifi you use in your house is covered in radiation. You are literally breathing radiation DAILY and yet you dont even know it.
Dont believe me. Get yourself a radiation emf device and go stand near a phone tower and watch the excess amounts radiation coming from them, not to mention microwave ovens, trucks, cars, industries, you name it. And you are whining about a puff of smoke that dissipates in seconds. Cigarette smoke is just a fart in the wind compared to everything else you breath and eat.
What they dont tell you is the impact vaping has had on the decline of tobacco sales in recent years
That's right, tobacco industry wanted it shut down,I'd rather vape than back to smoking again because I can't get nicotine anymore
Increase taxes on food,most people die from poor dietary habits...not tobacco, alcohol or old age.
MONEY GRABBERS . PETROL TAX , ALCOHOL TAX , TOBACCO TAX ,
Yep, taxation is theft at gun point. Never gets spent on what they promise you either!
No tax collected on Aussie gas, given to Japan for free, where they sell it on and profit from OUR GAS. Albo is spending 100s of thousands of taxpayers dollars in legal fees to keep those documents hidden from Aussie voters hidden until 2042. The very documents they signed off on.
15% Tax increase on all Taxes
How do you expect roads, trains, schools, hospitals to be built.
@huntingbeeswarmstasmania4340 food air being alive dying taking a dump rooting your neighbours wife waking up have I missed anything oh yes getting a stiffy
They are going to have to wipe it out entirely if they want the customers back, be stuffed if I'm paying extortion payments. They dug themselves hole so deep I doubt they can climb back out.
I tell you what they should drop the tax on. Draught beer. I don't drink much but I used to go to the pub for the social aspect. A couple of pots and a chat. Now there's no one there. It's unaffordable. It's killing pubs and isolating people.
they want teh property for developing. so everyone stays home, gets drunk in silence, dont want us talking or getting out. buy online. deliver to your door. pay online. dont converse. dont go out. beat the missus, the DV case means more funding for police, more "calls for more surveillance"... no where to talk, nowhere to relax, nowhere to be human...
make sure to watch the footy... in a few weeks, its cricket for the next 6 months... dont think, just sit at home alone. got all you need in your lap...
Back in the Early 80s, a Carton of 24 stubbies was $20.00, now they are $50.00.
A Carton of Winfield 25s was about $20.00. That's 10 packs of 25.
Now the smokes cost over $500.00.
Why don't you drink at home for a bit over $2.00 a beer?
Profiting off peoples addiction
Smoking taxes are actually more than the cost of the Medicare budget .if you don’t manipulate the figures.
I've spent the last ten years in Malaysia and paid RM19 for a pouch and RM15 for a pack of smokes. That's like AU$5... Now you're paying $50 a pack, that's basically RM150... There is no justification for this, it is extortion. People will not stop smoking they will just find alternatives or be forced to pay more. The people need to stand up and fight back, regardless if you're a smoker or not, this is absolutely ridiculous prices.
$15 vs $60 simple supply and demand, the government's worse enemy
My Grandma is 65 smoked since she was 12 has never had a health problem related to smoking the only reason for her to go to hospital was to have her kids... Other that that she's a healthy ole gal
You have no non smoking clone of your grandma to compare her to. So it's a meaningless statement. If she dies at 75 you'll never know if she would have died at 85 as a non smoker
she will in the next 5yrs. I bet she bruises easily & cuts take a while to heal. Mum was the same but at 75 she was told she had 15 months to live & the doctor was spot on.
@@vanessac1965 why this delusional irrational desire that you must have a long life? that merely living 'another decade" is some measure of how well a life has been led?
living to 75 is fine. why should it be 'better" simply because she lives to 85? and what if shes still kicking at 95?
your statement is just as meaningless as the one you criticise.
Most live till old age smoking you know how much the government lies about smoking? Check my comment if it's not removed on the main comment section. I'm to lazy to retype it. I would say do your own research but you got to reaky dig for the truth@@vanessac1965
I bet you that her skin looks like crocodile handbag?
Ditch the tobacco excise!
smoking rates never went down, we just got priced out of the legal market
Having it as a budget item means they are relying on this. You know what else is a budget item? Speeding fines
Wow coments left open.. shocked
Yea wow, its like some people ACTUALLY think the government wants to HELP them 🤣😑
The government could easily fix it's mismanagement by introducing a bank tax, only needs to be .5%
Greed, Too busy worrying about tobacco tax never mind the real drugs that are killing kids meth and the real drug dealers.
Anyone could see what was going to happen when the government started with the high taxes on smokes....Now there is more taxpayers money going into investigations because of these tobacco wars here in Australia and the government is the cause of it..... Was all very well about smoke free zones but trying to control people's lives is a real issue...
Absolutely..
Do the sums to see why ..
Imagine your a single mum on a unemployment pension trying to raise children...your doing your shopping & your 50 cigarettes a day habit runs at a cost of over $100 Bucks a day because that's what a pack of 50 cost ....
So here's our single mum that can't give up the habit paying $700 a week to feed her habit ....
HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK THAT SINGLE MUM NOW HAS FROM HER GOVERNMENT PENSION TO BUY FOOD TO FEED THE KIDS & HERSELF AS WELL AS PAY RENT & UTILITIES BILL'S .....
ANYONE ANYONE ANYONE...
YES THE THE ANSWER IS $0
BECAUSE SHE DOES NOT EVEN RECEIVE THAT MUCH IN GOVERNMENT PAYMENTS ...
THE GOVERNMENT HAS CREATED A BLACK MAKET OPPORTUNITY FOR THE UNDERWORLD TO EXPLOIT & THEY THEY ARE BIG TIME.. .
Next question?
if everyone ever did quit smoking & stop drinking alcohol in Australia how much money would the government have to run the country?
ANYONE ANYONE ANYONE
YES THATS RIGHT $0 THE COUNTRY WOULD BE BROKE WITHIN TWO WEEKS
Massive theft from addicts. Prices doesn't stop addiction, it only makes people poor.
Pure discrimination on smokers
A pack was $6.50 a few years ago (consecutively for years), until they added an additional 35 cent tax. In the few years since, the price per pack has doubled and another increase is to come within a month. Non smoking voters, I don't know how you think making the tobacco companies more rich & powerful and smokers more poor are helping smokers. Something is wrong when I can go to Japan and get American imported cigarettes for 1/4 the price as the same cigarettes in America.
Increase in tax on cigarettes won't help people quit!!!
Too late, would rather support the other criminals now.
A half packet of roll your own will last 2 days x 7 can run into .$450 to $500 a fortnight. Bloody ridiculous. More than rent for some people.
That's me I smoke 150 grams of Winfield a fortnight
Cost of living causing honest families turning to criminals to supply their nicotine addiction. How sad.
"lmfao" I pay $35 for 50 grams off of old mate, apposed to the $108 the taxed option "MATE ITS A NO BRAINER!".
If they could make the nicotine spray affordable id switch to that but the price is even more ridiculous.
Look it's about the tax always has been always will be that why they banned vapes
Umm $40 per packet for a pack of twenty or $10 for a packet ( tax free ) from my local vape shop . It’s a no brainer .
sin taxes are out of control
$9 for a pint at the pub?
$12 for a schooner in Byron Bay.
All i see in this video..."govern me harder daddy"
I'll buy cheap smokes
$25 for 50 gram pouch and $40 for 100 grams
I buy them 😊 suddenly I have money to survive...
Yes same here and they more healthy for you with out all the chemicals in them I smoke rollies
The black market isn't everywhere. Sure some people will be able to source cheap illegal cigarettes, mainly in cities, but for the majority of the population they will never encounter a black market source. So the majority of smokers will continue having to pay the taxes
Gov' got greedy, consumer went elsewhere
6 years ago for a 25gram pouch of tobacco (roll your own) i was paying $42, now $69 for the same pouch.
What is the government doing with all the money they are profiting from the tax increases they do twice a year on tobacco? I agree the money should be going back into the health system or even put it into quit programs and quit help
2.85 at a kwik mart in bali on a remote island, 12 bucks at the local non government shop, 55 at woolies. Drop smokes to 1 dollar a stick and there will be no black market.
Screw the supermakets havent bought from there in yrs why would i if can pay 90's prices
Its all about getting more money by preying on the addiction that tobacco smokers suffer from. Manking has smoked since as far as recorded history has documented and mankind will continue to grow and smoke tobacco until the end of mankind. Sure we are lucky to have such a good health system and im grateful for that but since the dramatic rise in taxes on tobacco i havnt seen much of that money invested into the treatment of those wanting to quit smoking. And the treatment available to smoking related diseases is similar to what it was before the outragous taxes. At the end of the day the real main reason for the outrageous increase on tobacco taxes was for the gov to make cash of the suffering of others which is rather cunning, oportunistic and uncaring of them considering the new levels of crime, violence and suffering that have arrived in Australia as a direct result of the outragous taxes. Drop the taxes and stop the new form of suffering that so many innocent people are suffering from due to the taxes.
If the government wants to stop people smoking ban it from a certain age. People born after 2007 can't buy smokes at all but everyone else can.
Maybe if they're short of money ..they should stop sending it overseas ...