I'm still using a Nokia "dumb phone". They're great. Got everything I need. I can send text messages, call people, set alarms and make use of a calendar.
I had the Lumia 950 XL and it was one of the best phone I had ever used. The camera was absolutely stunning for its time, the interface was unique and sleek.
I had a LUMIA 1020... Some... Repair people...broke it It is still on sale in LAZADA Thailand. FOR LESS THAN 3000 BAHT.. SOMETIMES THINKING .. TO BUY IT AGAIN YELLOW .. VERY NICE TOP PHOTOS.. BYE
I had nearly every Windows Phone you can imagine also until the last one 950XL, i switched to Android after, still missing funktions today my 950XL had over 5 years back. and i cannot confirm the lack of intuition the Windows Phone had, i never needed any instruction everything worked well and without thinking. the app store was small but had everything you needed. the contiunuum system was revolutionary and still no phone under big money has such features. also one thing said, my Windows Phone needed a reboot like once every 3 months where Android Phones needed weekly reboots to work properly at that time even iPhones neede frequent reboots, so dont say the system wasnt good, it was only popularity that didnt workout, i still miss my old phones today.. i now own a Nokia 42G, so im back on the Nokia path i ove its reparable !!
I'm an engineer working in an advanced R&D lab in Europe. I was at the heart of this event. The main issue was the OS, Symbian was not adapted to the evolution, we tried to convince Nokia with the development of eLinux which is the ancestry of Android. But in vain
@@Jurgen_Ibro First of all, Symbian was a good RTOS (Real-Time Operating System) for telephony at that time. However Symbian was and still is a proprietary Operating System of Nokia. This by definition makes only Nokia able to maintain and update it, and they refused to make it open source. Resulting to a hard, costly and slow adaptation and evolution of Symbian while the technical capabilities of the hardware (the mobile phones) were needed and inevitable like, Vibration control, Bluetooth stack, GPS stack, NFC stack, 3G stack, different screen sizes, etc ... Without mentioning the continuous needed security issues fixing and patches. Android in another had and because it was and still an open source OS a huge community is contributing for iits maintenance and updates which makes the task for the Google team easier for the setup of their continuous final versions which a modified version of the open source of course. Sorry for my long answer my friend but I am an engineer specialised Real-Time Systems and I was at the heart of this revolution back at university so I had to give you a proper answer 😅 I hope it was sufficient ! Take care. Cheers ...
@@Jurgen_Ibro First of all, Symbian was a good RTOS (Real-Time Operating System) for telephony at that time. However Symbian was and still is a proprietary Operating System of Nokia. This by definition makes only Nokia able to maintain and update it, and they refused to make it open source. Resulting to a hard, costly and slow adaptation and evolution of Symbian while the technical capabilities of the hardware (the mobile phones) were needed and inevitable like, Vibration control, Bluetooth stack, GPS stack, NFC stack, 3G stack, different screen sizes, etc ... Without mentioning the continuous needed security issues fixing and patches. Android in another had and because it was and still an open source OS a huge community is contributing for iits maintenance and updates which makes the task for the Google team easier for the setup of their continuous final versions which a modified version of the open source of course. Sorry for my long answer my friend. I hope it was sufficient ! Take care. Cheers ...
@@Jurgen_Ibro First of all, Symbian was a good RTOS (Real-Time Operating System) for telephony at that time. However Symbian was and still is a proprietary Operating System of Nokia. This by definition makes only Nokia able to maintain and update it, and they refused to make it open source. Resulting to a hard, costly and slow adaptation and evolution of Symbian while the technical capabilities of the hardware (the mobile phones) were needed and inevitable like, Vibration control, Bluetooth stack, GPS stack, NFC stack, 3G stack, different screen sizes, etc ... Without mentioning the continuous needed security issues fixing and patches. Android in another had and because it was and still an open source OS a huge community is contributing for iits maintenance and updates which makes the task for the Google team easier for the setup of their continuous final versions which a modified version of the open source of course. Sorry for my long answer my friend. I hope it was sufficient ! Take care. Cheers ...
Every phone I've bought since my beloved Nokia 808 Pureview has had a micro SD card slot and a headphone jack. My Samsung Galaxy S7, LG V30, Sony 1 ii and Sony 1 v.
Nokia are selling smartphones again and you should Google HMD. They also sell a repair friendly smartphone called "Fusion" with changeable battery. But you have to unscrew it. If you want to change the battery like the old times, look for the company "Fairphone". Most repair friendly company in the world. Their phones are made to last.
@@cpcheung66 There's a fairly high IP rating on plenty of phones with headphone jacks and SD card slots. It's trickier with batteries - perhaps they could be made as easily replaceable as watch batteries - retaining waterproofing after half an hour for not much money in a local shop.
I had a Lumia 525. Too bad that it was too underpowered that Microsoft decided that Windows 10 for phones would abandon it, so it was stuck with Windows Phone 8. They shouldn't have made it. If only I had bought Lumia 535, instead. I'm using Nokia 6.1, but Nokia has given up on midrange and high-end phone markets. New Nokia phones now has low performance.
That's not Nokia, the Nokia he was talking about in this video. It's HMD, they bought the mobile division from Microsoft. They got the name with it. It has nothing to do with the actual Nokia, apart from licensing the name. They will also scrap the Nokia name, going with HMD from now on. However, HMD is still a Finnish company. They aren't Nokia but if you go far enough back, they once were part of Nokia.
if it was the 80s, then the wall wouldve sustained some serious damage, especially considering that it mustve been in america with the easy to punch through walls
@@nevermindmeijustinjectedaw9988 It probably was in Finland or Nordics and was an NMT phone of Nokia-Mobira. Here we make stronger walls. This mobile radio company was started in the 70s already so yes, this could've happened in the 80s.
@@McSlobo fair. i assumed stable mobile networks, which pretty much wouldve excluded any country that isnt the usa. or any city that wasnt new york or sth.
The windows OS and UI design was by far my best experience in mobile phone. The only downside of its uniqueness is the lack of developer interest in making apps for that OS.
I wished I checked the comment section before I made a separate post about this. I agree. You can tell the person who made this video does not have experience with Windows Phone or haven't done enough journalism about it. It's the easiest and most lightweight OS of the trio.
@@seneca983Yes … In fact it was originally a logging company. The name was from the river named Nokia which they launched their logs into for transport. It was the children from that successful wood processing concern who began to dabble into electronics with valves and transistors … Thanks to “seneca983” who corrected me on this: “All descriptions I’ve seen is that they had two plants for producing mechanical pulp but I’ve not seen any description of them conducting logging themselves.” Also, the name Nokia was the town, not the river, which they didn’t use. Oops …
The Windows OS was not the problem for Nokia; it was one of the best operating systems for mobile devices. The real issue was Google. Google never published any of their apps for Windows OS, whereas they developed high-quality apps for iOS. Google and Apple have a deep partnership where they help each other in their monopolistic practices. It's important to remember that Google is not a rival of Apple; its rival is Samsung. Facebook developed high-quality apps for Windows OS, as did Microsoft. Even Amazon, Uber, Spotify, and banks all did, but the main thing missing was UA-cam, Google Maps, and Gmail. Google always saw Windows OS as a threat to their business and tried everything they could to destroy it. Microsoft even went ahead and developed a UA-cam app for Windows Mobile, but Google blocked it, stating that it violated policies, while hundreds of other UA-cam clone apps live on the Play Store without violating that policy. Microsoft could retaliate by stopping office apps for Android, but it would cost them money. Microsoft even tried to add support for porting Android apps to Windows OS, but Google blocked that from happening. Google was the reason for Windows OS's failure with their monopolistic practices.
@@007alztruli I was actually reffering to Google's hatred towards Windows Phone. Because honestly, I would gladly accept Android's death if it meant that Windows Phones made a forever comeback on the market. Android is such a janky mess on lower end smartphones.
Generally good video, but I feel like your reasons for why the Windows Phone failed are incorrect. You mentioned that it was “unnatural” and that it was “obvious a desktop-first company made the software,” meanwhile it had large icons that were easy to tap. Really, the biggest issue was that it was late to the party and as such had little developer support for new apps. As a result no one was buying them because Android and iPhone at this point had thousands of more apps that were far more refined than anything that could be found on the Microsoft Store
True, Lumia phones were never bad phones or running a bad systems, they were on the other hand always worse than competing offerings with iOS or Android. I looked at Lumia phones many times when they were still viable but no matter the price point they always came up short against Samsung et al, being 25 percent more expensive when they had to be 25 percent cheaper to make up for the less mature app market. I also don't know why Nokia/Microsoft just didn't pay the say 100 biggest app developers to make WP apps. Let's face it, the 100 largest apps are far more important than the remaining 100 million apps.
what competitor ? MS does not make phone back then, it does not do that today it makes tablets using the surface name but its literally a laptop with a touch screen and expensive keyboard sold separately. its literally a failure of nokia by selecting stupid people to head your business, board needs to understand just because someone has a MBA or ran some business does not mean that they can head "YOUR" business, a CEO without insight in the industry does not look longterm but short term quarterly. it your ruin your business in the long term because he does not understand the business
@@siliconhawk An academic is more interested in his/her own professional career than in the well-being of a company that he/she did not found and is only employed by.
I have owned the 3110. 3210. 3310. 5210. 6210. 6510. 6600. N80. N95. N95 8GB. Then moved to iPhone. (Before a brief flirt with HTC touch HD 1 and 2.) then back to iPhone. This was nostalgia beyond belief. Thank you for your dedication and video. I appreciate the memories you brought back with those moments with each one. Broken legs. Mountain hikes. Midnight swims. International trips. All of it. Thank you. EDIT: I forgot my E61. It will never forgive me. Nor will mothers 9300i
I've had many phones over three decades. Sonys, Ericsons, Nokias and so forth. But I have no clue of any of the models, I don't even know the model of the one I'm currently writing on... Anyways I have plenty of phone connected memories mostly of how I managed to destroy several of them, dropping one in a pool or falling in a swamp. Leaving one on a car roof and throwing two in the ground as hard as I could. But most simply deteriorated, screens, buttons or batteries slowly stopped working.. All these connected to the memories of my youth. Your post made me think of it, thanks.
I had Nokia 5200 xpress music, Nokia 6030, 5800 xpress music, HTC desire 600, then moved to iPhone 6s, short stint with Samsung S8, iPhone X, and now 13. Still miss my 5200, that was my first phone
You completely forgot the Nokia N9 which used MeeGo, a Linux operating system, instead of Symbian and it was an awesome operating system superior to both iOS and Android. It was was more consistent and streamlined than any of the other operating systems and it had great gesture-based navigation. Something that Android only just started doing. The only issue was that they were too late and the app developer industry had already focused on Android or iOS so there weren't many apps. But the OS itself was the most sophisticated on the market when it came out. The hardware of the N9 became the first Lumia phone about a year later.
Correction" It was Steve Balmer's fault not Microsoft as a company get outta here with your obvious dislike for microsoft, should have no place in your ability to think
Steve Balmer definitely did some damage. Making the Windows phone incompatible with Windows was just stupid. However, Microsoft just kept getting worse.
@@DrSamThelin x86 applications cannot run on ARM. For the same reason when you download software you have to pick the right one for your processor. On mobile devices that run iOS or android, the app store does that automatically. x86 Processors are widely used in PC's while ARM is typically found in the majority of mobile phones, routers and other small devices. This wasn't microsofts fault, you just need to get developers to port their applications to the windows phone.
Stephen Ellop killed Nokia and it was intentional. We could all see Nokia burning to the ground back then. In my opinion, Nokia could have modified symbian OS and made it better.
Nokia's murder weapon was symbian. Nokia's managers are the worst. they were so blind to see that symbian had nothing to do against apple. Nohia had a pretty OS called maemo, that evolved to meego. Sadly, the managers choose the worst and went all into the hell with symbian.
To be honest, Symbian wasn't even bad, especially compared to Android, which was a dumpsterfire until KitKat, and that thing released in 2013. So I honestly have no idea how Android gained market share over Nokia with phones that had zero features. Early androids couldn't use the camera or music player without an SD card, had no multitasking, the UI was terribly slow, the screens were cheap garbage, and the battery life was terrible.
And the just about to be released but killed by Microsoft, Linux - based OS from the midrange group in Ulm, 600+ laid off less than a month before release.
Former QA tester here: Nokia did have prototype devices running Android 4 in 2011, specifically running games in order to have them ready for launch in the PlayStore in 2012, alongside the devices. Sadly, it never came to be and they were either scrapped or are somewhere in storage at EA's headquarters in Bucharest, Romania.
quick note about the history: nokia had had a touch screen phone released a few years prior to iphone. Those models weren't seen as anything too special by consumers. Apple had proper marketing, slick OS, and also saw the future in just ignoring the basic drop test, which all worked out well for them
I hate that so many people don't care about the drop test. This is why most people remain poor, spending money on slick shit that breaks if you look at it funny.
The big thing with iPhone was multitouch. IPhone was not the first touchscreen phone but first with multitouch. At 2007... IPhone: capacitive, multitouch, finger Competition: resistive, not multitouch, stylus Apple created iPhone OS to be optimized with the finger and not with stylus. This is what people appreciated. It felt natural. As Steve Jobs said in january 2007: "who wants a stylus?"
It is not just marketing. I had the phone. It was simply shit. It did not have capacitative touch, had bad and complicated software. It had those pressure touch screens, which had no multi touch support, had very bad scrolling and didn't feel comfortable at all. iPhone was like 10 years ahead of that product. Nokia itself knew they were done the day they had their hands on an iphone
@@cjeelde Exactly. There were phones with touchscreens also in the '90s, that's not the point. It's no only that they didn't have multitouch (which is a very important difference) but also (and in my opinion more important) that they had a resistive touchscreen rather than a capacitive one. I admit, I never had one of these phones, or a PDA, but I have used resistive touchscreens many times in my life and they kinda suck. If you use your finger, often times you need to try 5 times before you finally hit the intended (virtual) button. So, you have to use a stylus, but styli are not a very comfortable thing to have to use just to hit the right button. These phones also didn't have inertial scrolling, so whenever you wanted to move down the page you'd have to use your stylus to click the tiny bar on the right and drag it. My assumption is that for most people the whole experience - after the novelty wore off - would have been too cumbersome. There's no comparison to the iPhone's capactivie touchscreen with multitouch, buttons that are big enough for a touchscreen used with the fingers and so on and so forth. And I say that despite hating Apple. But, you know, credit where credit's due.
Touchscreen typing is the worst thing to happen in human history, especially when your local language has no auto-correct. Honestly I dread every time I have to send a text or type a URL in the browser. It's such an awful experience.
Knowing that most monthly data plans these days are out of reach for 20-something Gen Alpha who started to graduate and entering workforce while Gen Z are not willing to starve to death in exchange for online fame their Gen Y parents worshiped, you might be onto something.
I'm currently working at Nokia Solutions and Networks (NSN) in Wrocław, Poland. It's second biggest employer in Wrocław. Now I get it how Nokia began to be such big player in Networks market. Also I thought you will say at lest something about Nokia Phones brand - as they are on the market under HMD Global company, which also become a phones brand HMD. But before HMD start his own brand - they buy Nokia brand from Microsoft and people running HMD are people from old Nokia phones days. Also - in NSN they gave us work phones - branded by Nokia (by HMD), so there is some kind of cooperatin between NSN and HMD. And I'm very interested into it, but I'm not so much investigator/researcher. Maybe you will make another video about Nokia - HMD brand?
@@tbraghavendran India is the most populous country on the planet. The last holder of that title is literally in decline. A considerable portion of them are reasonably well educated. Because of English colonialism, many of them speak English well and there are large and influential diaspora in most of the former empire (and elsewhere). You can count them, too, if you want to. So in any truly international endeavor you will find Indians. Whether that company/institution is considered successful at the moment or not. It is basically a numbers game. Finance? Research? Business? Tech? Medicine? Indians.
@geirmyrvagnes8718 well it has lot more to do with competence, foresight, resilience & loyalty towards the company as all this plays an important role, without it they would also be sinking the ship.
LG and Samsung had "smartphones" with touchscreen few years before Apple, and they were popular amongst enthusiasts . IMO, Apple took the spotlight with their marketing, design and their less-is-more approach. Apple lacks innovation but they excel in meeting consumers' needs, which ultimately the only thing that matters.
Yes I had very early LG touchscreen, with animated background and I loved it but was so used to physical buttons I couldn't adjust and went back to old Nokia.
Motorola also had a smartphone before Android and iOS. That was actually my favorite phone ever because it was touchscreen but it also had a physical keyboard.
I had a Nokia N9. I loved it so so much. I knew about what was going on at Nokia at the time, and it was disheartening. What a shame what happened to Meego. It was an incredible platform and was years and years ahead of its time in many ways. My only gripe with this video is that you didn't talk about it at all. It was an important part of this story. And it HAS to be remembered.
@@ettoreatalan8303 True, but a moot point. Nokia made clear they would not make any more phones with the system even before launch, so developers had no incentive to even give it a go.
I feel you. If MeeGo was not killed before it even shipped then today's smartphone market would be very, very different. BTW, check out Sailfish OS. It is based on Mer Project, which was a fork of MeeGo, and it is still in active development. It's made by Jolla, a Finnish company made out of engineers from Nokia which worked on MeeGo (at least it was made by this company, it got restructured not long ago).
The first Lumia's ran Windows Phone 7, not 8. In fact they never even got WP8 so they were pretty much on a dead OS just a year after release. The phone shown at 8:47 is not a Windows Phone. That's the Nokia N9 running MeeGo Harmattan which was way ahead of its time.
@@jstan5802 N9 was introduced in 2011. The people who made the video were probably toddlers at that time :D I also owned N9, which is still to this day easily the best phone I ever had. The only main downside of N9 was the hardware, which was outdated in terms of processing power already at launch.
You are quite wrong. Nokia had iPhone style device about 2 years before any whff of any iphones. There was a working prototype, and that was shown to the Nokia Mobile Phones management board. They loved it. The last question was: "does this run Symbian?", and of course the answer was no, it ran Linux. Nokia mobile phones executive board sad no, as they had fallen in love with the Symbian, and did not accept anything else. Symbian is great and very power efficient for texts/calls, but that is about it. Symbian just could not run anything of that category, so NMP board were not interested to do that. Later one (1) board member knew NMP would be killed on their love for Symbian. So this one board member made secretly the N-9x series. It was a great phone, running linux, and would have been a success as it really was something that worked really well, and it had open linux OS. But as the project was made in secret, the NMP board killed that project about as fast as they could, which took about 1.5 years. Now NMP was toast, and the NMP was sold to Microsoft, and Elop hopped in. There is still a separate Nokia Networks, creating mobile networks, but the phone production went to the Lumia series phones. Lumias were not too bad, but they did not have too much of app market, so those were scrapped too. Of course Elop screwed up even bigger time, but nope, NMP was and is toast. And no, when NMP was sold to Microsoft, the sellers knew that Microsoft wanted to buy either Nokia or Huawei. If they bought Huawei, they would just be another Android provider, among hundred others. When Nokia was sold, they got paid quite well, as NMP knew that Microsoft wants to make their own phones and OS, not just another Android company. Nowdays, Nokia mobile brand has been licensed to a Finnish company HMD, which makes great phones. The phones are good speed, good flash, mSD, and absolutely no bloatware. Those phones were great, and they still are. Now HMD did not continue to license the Nokia brand, and how HMD makes phones with their own name. HMD stated to make phones with "right to repair" in mind. Phones are good and reasonably priced. They underline that the users can change the display, battery, charging connector etc easily by getting official spare parts from IFixit. The repair info/videos are also available from IFixit. That is a good way, and I am still a happy user of all of the previous products. I do love their "no bloatware" policy, which is how phones must be.
@@heyitsnemo it was a proper read, but here's some of it. Nokia had smart phone prototypes (linux OS) before iphones. Execs wanted Symbian. Protoing with Linux OS continued behind execs backs, until execs found out and scrapped it. All bets on Lumia, it doesn't sell well, gets scrapped. Some revolving doors, the phone biz is sold to MS. Currently, the phone brand is licensed to some finnish company, which seems have proper values.
Having a “prototype” that never gets to market does not make you leader of the pack. Apple got there first and everything today is just a clone of the 1st gen iPhone. Hate that all you want but it’s the truth.
more than 10 years ago, i was on a Microsoft event about Windows Phone. One guy from Nokia middle management told me the same story. Nokia had a running modern OS but decided to stick with Symbian.
Reason why Nokia did choose windows was that Microsoft had "bought" few of the biggest shareholders minds and that's why management had to put side all others, even that windows phones was not ready
Symbian OS was good for its time and it did well... but in my opinion, Nokia's biggest mistake was not to identify that being developer-friendly was SUPER IMPORTANT. Compared to Android and iOS, Windows Phone was a nightmare for developers... Many jumped ship to Android and iOS. Developers didn't think that it was wise to burn money on Windows Phone that too when their phones weren't selling as well as Androids and iPhones. Microsoft tried paying good salaries to its developers to try to get them to make good apps. Simply, having decent UI with live tiles and a high MP count camera was just not enough. Nokia and Microsoft both failed to see where the market was headed.
Wow, congratulations on your impressive investment success! Your discipline and focus on delayed gratification is truly inspiring. I'm curious, what are some of the key factors that you consider when making investment decisions? Do you have any tips for those of us who are just starting to dip our toes into the world of investing? Thanks for sharing your story!
Nokia Lumia did had single core processor but was snappy than most Android phones which had better RAM/CPU , i still have moderate Nokia collection and Lumia still outshines average Android phones in terms of Snappy Performance
i still have my Nokia N78 as second phone, the thing refuses to die and ive done maintance (speakers, keyboard and the screen glass) only once in all this years, the screen still works.
They actually tried all, They even had newer Symbian model flagship after their first Lumias like the Nokia 808 PureView. They tried Android with their X platform with Nokia X, Nokia X+ and Nokia XL. BUT IMO, What really killed Nokia was when they said they won't support MeeGO (Maemo OS successor) even if the Nokia N9 sells well, They didn't commercialise it in France, UK, the USA. It had the BEST UI and LIVE multitasking device at the time.
@@anttikaipainen6072 Yeah, the N900 was a dream phone for me and I still got mine. Almost buy the N9 but because of Elope decision to not support it, I canceled my purchase as I knew what it was to have store like Google Play or App Store. Nokia's Lumia device was really good as well actually, they were smooth even for the the cheapest Lumia 6xx lines. Battery was good as well but didn't have many back then popular app official support.
If only Nokia had stuck with Maemo/MeeGo OS and adapted it to more modern demands like being Open Source, having App Store etc., they would've left both iOS and Android way, way behind and probably still be flourishing in the market.
@@brentsummers7377 We reached a point where there's no room or need to improve with phone design. It's all about the hardware inside and the price. It's impossible to compete with China, only Samsung, which won't be able to compete much longer and Apple with its millions of fanboys feeding their greed.
@@brentsummers7377 That's not Nokia, but HMD Global, a Finish company that licenses the Nokia brand for consumer phones. Nokia itself has no consumer hardware that it sells, all consumer hardware with the Nokia brand name is just the Nokia name licensed to a different company.
Nokia bought Bell Labs/Lucent Technologies/Alcatel's assets. I used to work for them in the Bell Labs/Lucent era. Nokia now OWNS all those legacy Bell Labs patents. THAT is where all the 5G stuff came to Nokia from
Many mobile phone patents are owned by Google, which once acquired Motorola. When Motorola was sold on, Google kept the mobile phone patents. Google has thus successfully ensured that Apple cannot threaten Android with patent lawsuits.
Not correct. Yes, Nokia did get 5G patents when bought different companies but Nokia had had always very good research center and they are developing 5G, currently already testing 6G in Oulu, Finland. Nokia has owned essential patents since 90's when Nokia was one of the key developers for GSM, first digital mobile phone system
I agree, but what you mean specifically which app did you miss?I'm missed snapchat. UA-cam was better viewed on the browstory. Anyways, and the maps thing they could have made some kind of work around with the browser there as well, maybe
My wife and I had both been using Samsung phones for over twelve years but when my Galaxy Note started having problems last year, I automatically looked at a buying the latest version of that phone again. It was only when looking at phone adverts I saw that there were a range of modern Nokia phones that looked almost as good for a fraction of the price. One of the great features of many of their phones is that they are easily and cheaply repairable by the owner. New battery? Replace a broken screen? No problem, you can do it yourself very cheaply. I bought myself a Nokia G42 5G and it's a fantastic phone. It had the latest Android operating system and was far cheaper than any equivalent Samsung or Apple phone. I liked it so much, I bought another G42 5G for my wife to replace her Samsung and she loves hers too. I've noticed that most updates and adverts they email me are now branded HMD instead of Nokia so I don't know whether the plan is to drop the Nokia brand but I don't care. If they keep marketing cheap reliable phones, I'll stick with them now.
There is no rebirth to it's former glory since the phone division is sold to Microsoft. Nokia is making 20 billion dollars annually compared to Apple's 380 billion dollars annually. It's just a normal telecommunication company like Ericsson which also makes around 20 billion dollars.
There was nothing anyone could do to save Nokia. It was literally the CRT TV vs the LCD TV. The only thing they could have done was to be like Samsung. Even Microsoft gave up on competing with iOS and Android, what more for a hardware company like Nokia. They were doomed as soon as Steve Jobs revealed to the world the iPhone.
@@XGD5layer Literally nothing survived unless you are using Android or iOS. Like I said, even Microsoft, a giant software company tried but failed. It was all about the software back then. If Nokia went full Android like Samsung did, they would have been what Samsung is today.. the dominant other option besides an iPhone.
I love android and wasn't tempted to go to Windows Phone. However, as someone who loves widgets, i think Windows Phone was really, really cool. I think the competition wouldve been healthier too, to have 3 players in the mobile os market
Funny thing that while I was working for Nokia Networks we were the poor bastards, barely making any real money, while NMP was the poster child, the goose laying the golden egg. Things turned around since then, NMP does not even exist. Networks merged with the remains of Siemens ICT, and ALU and became even larger than its archenemy, Ericsson, the last oldschool telco company still standing.
No, people still do not get it. There was no room for three ecosystems. No matter how good it was it would have failed. We saw the same with computers in the 80s and early 90s.
This a story of perseverance and wisdom,the first flashy CEO was not looking to improve Nokia ,he was doing business for Microsoft,the gentleman that follow had the wisdom,restraint and discipline to renew the company and make a great comeback ,love his survival skills ,and Nokias phones !
Hindsight is truly 20/20. Windows Phone COULD have been king. It was certainly a gamble to put all your eggs in one basket, but honestly, it was probably the right move. The alternative was to become 'just another' android manufacturer, and look how many of those have diminished to nothing. If Microsoft had actually paid attention to what people wanted, vs shoving crap down their throats (my brain was simply never compatible with Windows Phone OS), they might have taken over. So all the 'hate' is really misplaced. Sometimes you take a shot and see what it gets you. Sometimes you lose, sometimes you win. Nokia is one of the biggest customers for the company I work for. I once visited one of their sites in Finland (after they became mostly a wireless network equipment provider) to perform some training. It was honestly really cool walking through those halls. They had little displays showing pivotal phones over the years. Plus they had a fantastic employee cafeteria, I filled my plate with liver and one of the employees escorting me was concerned I didn't know what I had on my plate. It was pretty funny (and seriously delicious).
Nokia was primarily a phone manufacturer, who already supported multiple OSs. There was no need to put all the eggs in a single basket which smelled from a mile away anyway.Microsoft made Windows Phone 7 neither backwards, nor forwards compatible, their strategy was a complete mess. At the time when I heard the news, it was quite clear that Elop was a trojan horse from Microsoft. With choosing Microsoft as the sole partner, all the risk was on Nokia's side. It was one of the dumbest business decisions I saw in the last 25 years.
@@feamatar Devil's advocate: the OS's Nokia did support were all trash, relics from an earlier time. Dumping them made total sense. Going 'all in' with Microsoft wasn't as one sided as many would have you believe, Microsoft WANTED Windows Phone to win, and they put ALOT of money both into their development efforts, and into Nokia. The problem that's so easy to see IN HINDSIGHT is that Microsoft had NO CLUE what a mobile OS should be. They were in their 'win 8' mode of thinking where they felt they should be able to shove whatever solution they felt was best down the throats of customers. And to be fair, it wasn't that far out a position, as Microsoft had been doing that for quite a while already. The difference in the mobile space, which Microsoft just wasn't capable of understanding, is they had competition. They didn't just have the token competition that something like MacOS was, no, they had REAL competition, competition that had better solutions and far better execution. Had Microsoft made a Windows Phone OS that people actually wanted they easily had the might to become number 1. But they were so myopic and just couldn't see what the market really was. The failure was all on Microsoft. Again, it was a gamble, that Nokia lost badly. But lets be real here: where else could Nokia have gone? Sure, by picking up Android they had a CHANCE of becoming successful, but they would NEVER have reached the peak they came from, they just had too much real competition for that. Nokia was going to sink, how much was the question, and given how 'stuck in the past' they were, I'm not convinced they wouldn't have tanked if they went the Android route as well. It's the Kodak effect, former kings of markets can't adapt and fail.
@@repatch43 The point is that Nokia was capable supporting multiple OSs before, not that Nokia's own OSs were relevant. Going with Microsoft Mobile only was a gamble only for Nokia, Microsoft could anytime pay to another company to adopt their product. This was a very onesided deal, and by 2010 it was very clear that Microsoft was lacking in execution. We had these arguments with my colleagues back in the day, I am not talking about hindsight.
I worked for a Nokia contractor a tester and my sister-in-law worked over the road for Nokia. I remember the whole fiasco well and this video covered it perfectly. Before Elop arrived, the whole company was in cost saving mode. They told their contractors to slash their fees or face being axed. As a result a lot of us lost our jobs about a year before the Nokia layoffs. My sister was there for that Elop presentation and soon after in another to announce their layoffs. Before Elop arrived, we had heard rumors about the axing of Symbian and that Windows could be a possible replacement. We all said that it would be a terrible idea and that Nokia should try to adopt Android, which was a bold statement as it was a very new product, but we didn't see any other solution. It's joked that Russia is wealthy because it is just big gas station. I guess it could be said that Finland was just a big mobile phone store at that time. Since the collapse of Nokia, I think Finland has not been doing financially great and is currently in a bad way.
The big difference is the silver bullet versus incremental. Many poor CEO want to make big bold decisions which change everything overnight, they go for the silver bullet. The reasons are easy to understand, its good for the ego, its easy and its quick. The issues are if you don’t understand what you are doing, it always fails. Successful Big and Bold changes are normally built on solid foundations which take years to build, try it on a foundation of sand and you will fail. The best CEO are normally boring CEO's.
If Nokia would have gone for "incremental changes" at that time they'd have ended in the same place they ended anyway. In my opinion, their only chance of preserving their place as a major phone manufacturer was to try something bold (and advertise it widely - which, to my memory, they did). Their only problem is that they tried that bold thing too late. They were in the "incremental changes" business for way too long after Jobs revealed the iPhone.
@@ZiggyMercury I agree they waited too long, but the Microsoft O/S choice was the wrong choice. I had a Samsung Microsoft phone and it was awful. Going down the android path was the safe path that would of been quicker and retained part of their market share, but I agree that it was too late to retain their existing market share.
The supreme irony of it all - Watched this video my N95 from 2008. While I couldn't post a comment from there, everything else worked pretty well actually.
i still remember the days when i had a Nokia 3410, or N 97 or Express music edition or Lumia 1020 phone in my hand. This brought back so many memories. Thanks for that man. i used to wonder what if Nokia had a Microsoft and Android mobiles at the same time when they launched the lumia series., the time when it all started going down the drain. even, N900 (Linux phone) was a promising option but that too didnt take off. anyways, thanks again man for bringin out those fond memories of my old phones, the story behind the company, and the strugles they endured.
Using windows mobile is actually a smart move, it made Nokia stand out back then. It was just windows mobile sucks big time, it's on them and not Nokia's fault.
I'm proud being a part of it 2015-24. It's interesting to watch people being surprised Nokia still exist. Even more interesting seeing people assume Nokia Android smartphones on the market being designed and manufactured by Nokia even though it clearly say HMD on the box.
I've had a Nokia X10 for the last two years. It's been solid. No issues and regular OS updates. When I replace it next year (the OS updates are only guaranteed for three years), I'll first look for a Nokia replacement for my X10.
1:09 that was not a so called press conference. That was Steve Jobs' keynote at Macworld. People from media/press sat probably there but it was not a press conference.
Wrong, windows 8 had a great interface..... for tablets and phones. I worked at Microsoft surface support, the OS was fine, but if you wanted a desktop experience you didn't use it.
Yeah, but it was a dumpster fire release. First generation of Nokia phones went with Windows 7.5 and it was not possible to upgrade to Win8 which came like a half year later. And of course Win8 did not support anything from Win7. Typical MS fashion and consumers just jumped to Android. At least they didn’t break ecosystems all the time
@@MietoK Windows Phone 7 was Windows CE with a new UI. Windows Phone 8 was the same base OS as the desktop Windows, with the same UI from Windows Phone 7. * Applications for Windows CE/Windows Mobile 3, 4, and 5 *would* run very well on Windows Phone 6 (the OS had just been renamed and gotten a couple new features but was otherwise very much the same). * Applications for Windows Phone 6 (or 5) *could not* run on Windows Phone 7 because of the UI. * Applications for Windows Phone 7 *could not* run on Windows Phone 8 because it was literally an entirely different operating system.
I am a hardcore Nokia fan. Got first hands on their HMD branded phone resurrection. Nokia 6 was a blast. Nokia 8.1 is in my spare pocket. I still own a working N97 from 2010!!
No matter how many advance phones I purchase, I don’t get satisfaction as I used to get after getting a Nokia device. This is the only brand I’m deeply in love with. I want them to do well in their present business.
Am not too sure of that! HMD is of today a contractor, and as a such, they both wants and needs money! To drop Nokia and thereby the name that keeps them with a good renenue would probably be a sweet suicide since almost noone knows what HMD is but as good as whole the world knows what Nokia is! So to expect HMD to kill their golden goose and replace it with a goat who gives sour milk is nothing i think will happen anytime soon! /L
Nokia makes the equipment, that your phone connects over. Well it is one of top 3 in the world. Frankly they were always infrastructure first. They are a phone cable and phone switch maker with over century of history who in 1980's and 1990's got into cell phone game, since they needed phones for people to call with to use the base towers and switches they were making for the telecoms companies. On 100+ years history, mobilephones is a 20 year hyper growth and success period, boom and bust period/cycle. Now they are back to basics, well the basics never left. Make the tower antennas, switches, fiber optic equipment and modems the call/data/message runs on. They aren't irrelevant, rather they just aren't consumer facing. You don't get flashy news articles or review videos of the new gadget they made. However that someone elses gadget connects to internet in lot of the world via a Nokia radio head, over Nokia fiber optic equipment and routed over a Nokia network switch. Without companies like Nokia, iPhones would be iPods. Nor is it a commodity item. Mobile network hardware isn't something just any company makes and can be replaced by myriad of other offerers with no problem. There is only like dozen companies in the world making this gear and trusted by network operators with suppliying it. Big players can be counted by one hands fingers. Huawei, Nokia, Ericsonn (another "didn't they go bankrupt, no they didn't, they just got out of consumer devices" company), Samsung, ZTE. There is many many makers of commodity level smart phones, but the network equipment those phones rely on, way more exclusive business.
For B2C probably, but Nokia seems to be focused on B2B now in the telecommunications sector and doing well for themselves. HMD and Nokia will just go their own separate ways
Never ever underestimate Microsoft's ability to screw things up
MSN messenger ☑
Skype ☑
LinkedIn ☑
Nokia/Windows Phone ☑
Windows Vista ☑
I'm sure there are many more.
Really?
Microsoft makes everything complicated like they are making windows 😂
Don't underestimate microsoft, heck microsoft and meta owns most of the population software development tools
x-box is success
Lost my Nokia phone in 2004 fully charged. Found it last week, still 50% charge left.
Sounds preposterous now tell us you're joking
@@lyleg.9192 I wouldn't be surprised if it is true. Those old brick phones were beasts.
sell it to me, I'm out of toilet paper
😂
@@lyleg.9192
The fact that it could be true is a statement by itself
I would expect the company that made indestructible phones to be just as indestructible
Hahaha
including Blackberry?
Elop was basically a Microsoft agent..should have been thrown in jail for it.
@@Allen-L-Canada blackberry didn't make any good phones. they're just overhyped PDA.
@@something9048that blackberry touch was woeful
I'm still using a Nokia "dumb phone". They're great. Got everything I need. I can send text messages, call people, set alarms and make use of a calendar.
Me Too !!!
Exactly it got same feature and less price
I am too.
Can you play snake though??
@@elchanclascocina Of course :)
I had the Lumia 950 XL and it was one of the best phone I had ever used. The camera was absolutely stunning for its time, the interface was unique and sleek.
I had a
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Some... Repair people...broke it
It is still on sale in
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FOR LESS THAN
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Agreed
I had nearly every Windows Phone you can imagine also until the last one 950XL, i switched to Android after, still missing funktions today my 950XL had over 5 years back.
and i cannot confirm the lack of intuition the Windows Phone had, i never needed any instruction everything worked well and without thinking.
the app store was small but had everything you needed. the contiunuum system was revolutionary and still no phone under big money has such features.
also one thing said, my Windows Phone needed a reboot like once every 3 months where Android Phones needed weekly reboots to work properly at that time even iPhones neede frequent reboots, so dont say the system wasnt good, it was only popularity that didnt workout, i still miss my old phones today..
i now own a Nokia 42G, so im back on the Nokia path i ove its reparable !!
I'm an engineer working in an advanced R&D lab in Europe.
I was at the heart of this event.
The main issue was the OS, Symbian was not adapted to the evolution, we tried to convince Nokia with the development of eLinux which is the ancestry of Android. But in vain
But what about MeeGo?
My Nokia E50 was running Symbian, and it supported the Adobe Reader and the Microsoft Office package. What was the issue with the Symbian precisely?
@@Jurgen_Ibro First of all, Symbian was a good RTOS (Real-Time Operating System) for telephony at that time.
However Symbian was and still is a proprietary Operating System of Nokia. This by definition makes only Nokia able to maintain and update it, and they refused to make it open source. Resulting to a hard, costly and slow adaptation and evolution of Symbian while the technical capabilities of the hardware (the mobile phones) were needed and inevitable like, Vibration control, Bluetooth stack, GPS stack, NFC stack, 3G stack, different screen sizes, etc ...
Without mentioning the continuous needed security issues fixing and patches. Android in another had and because it was and still an open source OS a huge community is contributing for iits maintenance and updates which makes the task for the Google team easier for the setup of their continuous final versions which a modified version of the open source of course.
Sorry for my long answer my friend but I am an engineer specialised Real-Time Systems and I was at the heart of this revolution back at university so I had to give you a proper answer 😅
I hope it was sufficient ! Take care.
Cheers ...
@@Jurgen_Ibro First of all, Symbian was a good RTOS (Real-Time Operating System) for telephony at that time.
However Symbian was and still is a proprietary Operating System of Nokia. This by definition makes only Nokia able to maintain and update it, and they refused to make it open source. Resulting to a hard, costly and slow adaptation and evolution of Symbian while the technical capabilities of the hardware (the mobile phones) were needed and inevitable like, Vibration control, Bluetooth stack, GPS stack, NFC stack, 3G stack, different screen sizes, etc ...
Without mentioning the continuous needed security issues fixing and patches. Android in another had and because it was and still an open source OS a huge community is contributing for iits maintenance and updates which makes the task for the Google team easier for the setup of their continuous final versions which a modified version of the open source of course.
Sorry for my long answer my friend.
I hope it was sufficient ! Take care.
Cheers ...
@@Jurgen_Ibro
First of all, Symbian was a good RTOS (Real-Time Operating System) for telephony at that time.
However Symbian was and still is a proprietary Operating System of Nokia. This by definition makes only Nokia able to maintain and update it, and they refused to make it open source. Resulting to a hard, costly and slow adaptation and evolution of Symbian while the technical capabilities of the hardware (the mobile phones) were needed and inevitable like, Vibration control, Bluetooth stack, GPS stack, NFC stack, 3G stack, different screen sizes, etc ...
Without mentioning the continuous needed security issues fixing and patches. Android in another had and because it was and still an open source OS a huge community is contributing for iits maintenance and updates which makes the task for the Google team easier for the setup of their continuous final versions which a modified version of the open source of course.
Sorry for my long answer my friend.
I hope it was sufficient ! Take care.
Cheers ...
Please Nokia, bring back removable battery, SD slot and head phone jack
Agreed 😊
Every phone I've bought since my beloved Nokia 808 Pureview has had a micro SD card slot and a headphone jack. My Samsung Galaxy S7, LG V30, Sony 1 ii and Sony 1 v.
Nokia are selling smartphones again and you should Google HMD. They also sell a repair friendly smartphone called "Fusion" with changeable battery. But you have to unscrew it.
If you want to change the battery like the old times, look for the company "Fairphone". Most repair friendly company in the world. Their phones are made to last.
Then the phone will not be waterproof.
@@cpcheung66 There's a fairly high IP rating on plenty of phones with headphone jacks and SD card slots.
It's trickier with batteries - perhaps they could be made as easily replaceable as watch batteries - retaining waterproofing after half an hour for not much money in a local shop.
I'm a Nokia die hard fan. Typing this on a Nokia 3.1 plus, it's old. My first smartphone was a Lumia.
You use that primarily and it works for what you need? If so that's amazing
I also have the same phone. Still works.
I had a Lumia 525. Too bad that it was too underpowered that Microsoft decided that Windows 10 for phones would abandon it, so it was stuck with Windows Phone 8. They shouldn't have made it. If only I had bought Lumia 535, instead. I'm using Nokia 6.1, but Nokia has given up on midrange and high-end phone markets. New Nokia phones now has low performance.
Believe it or not my old 3310 still works the battery won’t hold a charge tho.
That's not Nokia, the Nokia he was talking about in this video. It's HMD, they bought the mobile division from Microsoft. They got the name with it. It has nothing to do with the actual Nokia, apart from licensing the name.
They will also scrap the Nokia name, going with HMD from now on.
However, HMD is still a Finnish company. They aren't Nokia but if you go far enough back, they once were part of Nokia.
In the 80’s I threw my Nokia phone with full strength at the wall at work to prove how good it was, didn’t fall apart, just bounced. It was awesome.
I think you mean 90's
if it was the 80s, then the wall wouldve sustained some serious damage, especially considering that it mustve been in america with the easy to punch through walls
@@nevermindmeijustinjectedaw9988 It probably was in Finland or Nordics and was an NMT phone of Nokia-Mobira. Here we make stronger walls. This mobile radio company was started in the 70s already so yes, this could've happened in the 80s.
@@McSlobo fair. i assumed stable mobile networks, which pretty much wouldve excluded any country that isnt the usa. or any city that wasnt new york or sth.
The windows OS and UI design was by far my best experience in mobile phone. The only downside of its uniqueness is the lack of developer interest in making apps for that OS.
I loved the UI too however when I checked it seemed like MS copied Apple fascism and don't support real Firefox.
I wished I checked the comment section before I made a separate post about this. I agree. You can tell the person who made this video does not have experience with Windows Phone or haven't done enough journalism about it. It's the easiest and most lightweight OS of the trio.
That was so ugly
It was a good OS, but microsoft was not patient enough with it, they abandoned too quickly
@afenerli I agree and I miss it.
Nokia is the God-Emperor of pivoting. They started off making rubber boots for outdoor work 😂
@amarug They actually started with luxury toilet paper, how's that for a pivot
They actually started by making mechanical pulp. They later moved to cables and rubber and even later into electronics.
Did they have cameras only on the back of the boots?
@@seneca983Yes … In fact it was originally a logging company. The name was from the river named Nokia which they launched their logs into for transport. It was the children from that successful wood processing concern who began to dabble into electronics with valves and transistors …
Thanks to “seneca983” who corrected me on this: “All descriptions I’ve seen is that they had two plants for producing mechanical pulp but I’ve not seen any description of them conducting logging themselves.”
Also, the name Nokia was the town, not the river, which they didn’t use. Oops …
@@m3photo726 and before that they were simple freshwater fishermen who saw a growing need for more lumber 🪵
Glad to see the material. I joined Nokia last week as principal software architect, to help with new developments. The future is really exciting 😁
Hmm 🤔
Good luck man!
@@LogicallyAnswered thanks!
Good luck! Here hoping you guys will rock the market with something revolutionary.
Bring back easy repairs and apps that don't collect personal data and that'll be more than revolutionary.
The Windows OS was not the problem for Nokia; it was one of the best operating systems for mobile devices. The real issue was Google. Google never published any of their apps for Windows OS, whereas they developed high-quality apps for iOS. Google and Apple have a deep partnership where they help each other in their monopolistic practices. It's important to remember that Google is not a rival of Apple; its rival is Samsung. Facebook developed high-quality apps for Windows OS, as did Microsoft. Even Amazon, Uber, Spotify, and banks all did, but the main thing missing was UA-cam, Google Maps, and Gmail. Google always saw Windows OS as a threat to their business and tried everything they could to destroy it. Microsoft even went ahead and developed a UA-cam app for Windows Mobile, but Google blocked it, stating that it violated policies, while hundreds of other UA-cam clone apps live on the Play Store without violating that policy. Microsoft could retaliate by stopping office apps for Android, but it would cost them money. Microsoft even tried to add support for porting Android apps to Windows OS, but Google blocked that from happening. Google was the reason for Windows OS's failure with their monopolistic practices.
Talk about insecurity
@@PurblePink8678You really hate the truth, don't you?
@@007alztruli I was actually reffering to Google's hatred towards Windows Phone. Because honestly, I would gladly accept Android's death if it meant that Windows Phones made a forever comeback on the market. Android is such a janky mess on lower end smartphones.
@@PurblePink8678 Ooh! I'm sorry, I read that wrong...
Key components of the iPhone (screen, RAM, etc.) are manufactured by Samsung.
Nokia Lumia : *_"we didn't do anything wrong, we just didn't do anything."_*
🤷🏻♂️
Nothing can replace a nokia, most durable ever.
Generally good video, but I feel like your reasons for why the Windows Phone failed are incorrect. You mentioned that it was “unnatural” and that it was “obvious a desktop-first company made the software,” meanwhile it had large icons that were easy to tap. Really, the biggest issue was that it was late to the party and as such had little developer support for new apps. As a result no one was buying them because Android and iPhone at this point had thousands of more apps that were far more refined than anything that could be found on the Microsoft Store
True, Lumia phones were never bad phones or running a bad systems, they were on the other hand always worse than competing offerings with iOS or Android. I looked at Lumia phones many times when they were still viable but no matter the price point they always came up short against Samsung et al, being 25 percent more expensive when they had to be 25 percent cheaper to make up for the less mature app market. I also don't know why Nokia/Microsoft just didn't pay the say 100 biggest app developers to make WP apps. Let's face it, the 100 largest apps are far more important than the remaining 100 million apps.
@@SweBeach2023 I had one and didn't really have an issue with it having less apps, but I must be in the minority
The UI was atrocious for both cell phones and desktop computers.
This. The os they had was so easy and sleek looking. If it had a bunch more apps it would have been a great competitor.
Windows mobile was actually great.
Imagine that, Microsoft plants a guy to destroy a competitor
what competitor ? MS does not make phone back then, it does not do that today it makes tablets using the surface name but its literally a laptop with a touch screen and expensive keyboard sold separately.
its literally a failure of nokia by selecting stupid people to head your business, board needs to understand just because someone has a MBA or ran some business does not mean that they can head "YOUR" business, a CEO without insight in the industry does not look longterm but short term quarterly. it your ruin your business in the long term because he does not understand the business
@@siliconhawk An academic is more interested in his/her own professional career than in the well-being of a company that he/she did not found and is only employed by.
Microsoft itself lost billions in developing Windows Phone, (Later Microsoft's Phone)... Then, they shifted to Android.
@@siliconhawkMicrosoft had dipped their toes unsuccessful in the handheld world multiple times when they decided to get Elop hired as CEO for Nokia
After the takeover they gave up right away. It could have been successful.
I have owned the 3110. 3210. 3310. 5210. 6210. 6510. 6600. N80. N95. N95 8GB. Then moved to iPhone. (Before a brief flirt with HTC touch HD 1 and 2.) then back to iPhone. This was nostalgia beyond belief. Thank you for your dedication and video. I appreciate the memories you brought back with those moments with each one. Broken legs. Mountain hikes. Midnight swims. International trips. All of it. Thank you.
EDIT: I forgot my E61. It will never forgive me. Nor will mothers 9300i
I've had many phones over three decades. Sonys, Ericsons, Nokias and so forth.
But I have no clue of any of the models, I don't even know the model of the one I'm currently writing on...
Anyways I have plenty of phone connected memories mostly of how I managed to destroy several of them, dropping one in a pool or falling in a swamp.
Leaving one on a car roof and throwing two in the ground as hard as I could.
But most simply deteriorated, screens, buttons or batteries slowly stopped working..
All these connected to the memories of my youth. Your post made me think of it, thanks.
I also had the E61 and it was one of my favourite phones.
cant believe you had all them but not a Nokia 5510
SMH
I had Nokia 5200 xpress music, Nokia 6030, 5800 xpress music, HTC desire 600, then moved to iPhone 6s, short stint with Samsung S8, iPhone X, and now 13. Still miss my 5200, that was my first phone
You completely forgot the Nokia N9 which used MeeGo, a Linux operating system, instead of Symbian and it was an awesome operating system superior to both iOS and Android. It was was more consistent and streamlined than any of the other operating systems and it had great gesture-based navigation. Something that Android only just started doing.
The only issue was that they were too late and the app developer industry had already focused on Android or iOS so there weren't many apps. But the OS itself was the most sophisticated on the market when it came out.
The hardware of the N9 became the first Lumia phone about a year later.
It was actually on the video at 8:48, but mistakenly introduced as Lumia. The Lumia 800 was in fact a copy of N9 design.
I had Nokia N97. U had no problems with it. Loved the keyboard. It was the first device I watched a movie on. It was Rambo IV.
the morality of this never do business with microsoft
Correction" It was Steve Balmer's fault not Microsoft as a company
get outta here with your obvious dislike for microsoft, should have no place in your ability to think
@@kirby21-xz4rx Do not try to absolve M$ it's their modus operandi. Remember, they tried to kill Unix/Linux
Steve Balmer definitely did some damage. Making the Windows phone incompatible with Windows was just stupid. However, Microsoft just kept getting worse.
Hear, hear. Or use any of their products.
@@DrSamThelin x86 applications cannot run on ARM. For the same reason when you download software you have to pick the right one for your processor. On mobile devices that run iOS or android, the app store does that automatically. x86 Processors are widely used in PC's while ARM is typically found in the majority of mobile phones, routers and other small devices. This wasn't microsofts fault, you just need to get developers to port their applications to the windows phone.
Stephen Ellop killed Nokia and it was intentional. We could all see Nokia burning to the ground back then. In my opinion, Nokia could have modified symbian OS and made it better.
Nokia's murder weapon was symbian. Nokia's managers are the worst. they were so blind to see that symbian had nothing to do against apple. Nohia had a pretty OS called maemo, that evolved to meego. Sadly, the managers choose the worst and went all into the hell with symbian.
Meego-Harmattan
To be honest, Symbian wasn't even bad, especially compared to Android, which was a dumpsterfire until KitKat, and that thing released in 2013. So I honestly have no idea how Android gained market share over Nokia with phones that had zero features. Early androids couldn't use the camera or music player without an SD card, had no multitasking, the UI was terribly slow, the screens were cheap garbage, and the battery life was terrible.
He skipped meego and the Nokia N9. It was very nice and only lacking on the appstore front. They should have continued that route.
And the just about to be released but killed by Microsoft, Linux - based OS from the midrange group in Ulm, 600+ laid off less than a month before release.
Former QA tester here: Nokia did have prototype devices running Android 4 in 2011, specifically running games in order to have them ready for launch in the PlayStore in 2012, alongside the devices.
Sadly, it never came to be and they were either scrapped or are somewhere in storage at EA's headquarters in Bucharest, Romania.
Great video - both interesting and well presented.
Your channel has come a long way 👌
quick note about the history: nokia had had a touch screen phone released a few years prior to iphone. Those models weren't seen as anything too special by consumers. Apple had proper marketing, slick OS, and also saw the future in just ignoring the basic drop test, which all worked out well for them
I hate that so many people don't care about the drop test. This is why most people remain poor, spending money on slick shit that breaks if you look at it funny.
The big thing with iPhone was multitouch. IPhone was not the first touchscreen phone but first with multitouch.
At 2007...
IPhone: capacitive, multitouch, finger
Competition: resistive, not multitouch, stylus
Apple created iPhone OS to be optimized with the finger and not with stylus. This is what people appreciated. It felt natural.
As Steve Jobs said in january 2007: "who wants a stylus?"
They released a touchscreen, but not multitouch...there is a huge different...
It is not just marketing. I had the phone. It was simply shit. It did not have capacitative touch, had bad and complicated software. It had those pressure touch screens, which had no multi touch support, had very bad scrolling and didn't feel comfortable at all. iPhone was like 10 years ahead of that product. Nokia itself knew they were done the day they had their hands on an iphone
@@cjeelde Exactly. There were phones with touchscreens also in the '90s, that's not the point. It's no only that they didn't have multitouch (which is a very important difference) but also (and in my opinion more important) that they had a resistive touchscreen rather than a capacitive one. I admit, I never had one of these phones, or a PDA, but I have used resistive touchscreens many times in my life and they kinda suck. If you use your finger, often times you need to try 5 times before you finally hit the intended (virtual) button. So, you have to use a stylus, but styli are not a very comfortable thing to have to use just to hit the right button. These phones also didn't have inertial scrolling, so whenever you wanted to move down the page you'd have to use your stylus to click the tiny bar on the right and drag it. My assumption is that for most people the whole experience - after the novelty wore off - would have been too cumbersome. There's no comparison to the iPhone's capactivie touchscreen with multitouch, buttons that are big enough for a touchscreen used with the fingers and so on and so forth. And I say that despite hating Apple. But, you know, credit where credit's due.
The video start at 11:23
Thanks
I bet you only eat cherry and throw away the cake……
No it doesn’t
Same as when your brain starts to function
not a worth to subcribe channel
Given the way smartphone companies have so appallingly abused their customers an old fashioned brick phone seems very appealing these days
Yeah, I don't need a $1500 phone to make texts and calls with lol
Smart phones,,, have ruined society. All by design to control the masses.
Touchscreen typing is the worst thing to happen in human history, especially when your local language has no auto-correct. Honestly I dread every time I have to send a text or type a URL in the browser. It's such an awful experience.
@@One.Zero.One101 why not copy and paste
Knowing that most monthly data plans these days are out of reach for 20-something Gen Alpha who started to graduate and entering workforce while Gen Z are not willing to starve to death in exchange for online fame their Gen Y parents worshiped, you might be onto something.
I'm currently working at Nokia Solutions and Networks (NSN) in Wrocław, Poland. It's second biggest employer in Wrocław. Now I get it how Nokia began to be such big player in Networks market. Also I thought you will say at lest something about Nokia Phones brand - as they are on the market under HMD Global company, which also become a phones brand HMD.
But before HMD start his own brand - they buy Nokia brand from Microsoft and people running HMD are people from old Nokia phones days.
Also - in NSN they gave us work phones - branded by Nokia (by HMD), so there is some kind of cooperatin between NSN and HMD. And I'm very interested into it, but I'm not so much investigator/researcher.
Maybe you will make another video about Nokia - HMD brand?
11:59 when a business is in crisis. There's always an Indian to the rescue
It's funny but very true.
There is always an Indian, period. Crisis or not. There are a lot of them, you know.
@@geirmyrvagnes8718what did you mean?
@@tbraghavendran India is the most populous country on the planet. The last holder of that title is literally in decline. A considerable portion of them are reasonably well educated. Because of English colonialism, many of them speak English well and there are large and influential diaspora in most of the former empire (and elsewhere). You can count them, too, if you want to. So in any truly international endeavor you will find Indians. Whether that company/institution is considered successful at the moment or not. It is basically a numbers game. Finance? Research? Business? Tech? Medicine? Indians.
@geirmyrvagnes8718 well it has lot more to do with competence, foresight, resilience & loyalty towards the company as all this plays an important role, without it they would also be sinking the ship.
LG and Samsung had "smartphones" with touchscreen few years before Apple, and they were popular amongst enthusiasts . IMO, Apple took the spotlight with their marketing, design and their less-is-more approach. Apple lacks innovation but they excel in meeting consumers' needs, which ultimately the only thing that matters.
Yes I had very early LG touchscreen, with animated background and I loved it but was so used to physical buttons I couldn't adjust and went back to old Nokia.
webkit was needed first, apple did that !
rest are just iPhone clones now.
2:15 iJustine?
An LG smartphone even had a mini-HDMI, countless movies and games played on TV, good times 😊
Motorola also had a smartphone before Android and iOS. That was actually my favorite phone ever because it was touchscreen but it also had a physical keyboard.
I had a Nokia N9. I loved it so so much. I knew about what was going on at Nokia at the time, and it was disheartening. What a shame what happened to Meego. It was an incredible platform and was years and years ahead of its time in many ways. My only gripe with this video is that you didn't talk about it at all. It was an important part of this story. And it HAS to be remembered.
By the way, at many points in the video you show Meego as if it was Windows Phone. That's just wrong.
Without many apps, the best mobile operating system on the market will not succeed.
@@ettoreatalan8303 True, but a moot point. Nokia made clear they would not make any more phones with the system even before launch, so developers had no incentive to even give it a go.
symbian was crab !
I feel you. If MeeGo was not killed before it even shipped then today's smartphone market would be very, very different.
BTW, check out Sailfish OS. It is based on Mer Project, which was a fork of MeeGo, and it is still in active development. It's made by Jolla, a Finnish company made out of engineers from Nokia which worked on MeeGo (at least it was made by this company, it got restructured not long ago).
The first Lumia's ran Windows Phone 7, not 8. In fact they never even got WP8 so they were pretty much on a dead OS just a year after release.
The phone shown at 8:47 is not a Windows Phone. That's the Nokia N9 running MeeGo Harmattan which was way ahead of its time.
❤️
That's the moment I knew this presenter didn't do their research properly and likely didn't know how ahead of its time the N9 was.
Nokia made the best mobile devices I have ever experienced. To this day.
@@jstan5802 N9 was introduced in 2011. The people who made the video were probably toddlers at that time :D
I also owned N9, which is still to this day easily the best phone I ever had. The only main downside of N9 was the hardware, which was outdated in terms of processing power already at launch.
Great informational video
I did not know some of details you presented in this video.
Especially the single-core restriction is complete madness.
You are quite wrong. Nokia had iPhone style device about 2 years before any whff of any iphones. There was a working prototype, and that was shown to the Nokia Mobile Phones management board. They loved it.
The last question was: "does this run Symbian?", and of course the answer was no, it ran Linux.
Nokia mobile phones executive board sad no, as they had fallen in love with the Symbian, and did not accept anything else. Symbian is great and very power efficient for texts/calls, but that is about it. Symbian just could not run anything of that category, so NMP board were not interested to do that.
Later one (1) board member knew NMP would be killed on their love for Symbian. So this one board member made secretly the N-9x series. It was a great phone, running linux, and would have been a success as it really was something that worked really well, and it had open linux OS. But as the project was made in secret, the NMP board killed that project about as fast as they could, which took about 1.5 years.
Now NMP was toast, and the NMP was sold to Microsoft, and Elop hopped in. There is still a separate Nokia Networks, creating mobile networks, but the phone production went to the Lumia series phones. Lumias were not too bad, but they did not have too much of app market, so those were scrapped too. Of course Elop screwed up even bigger time, but nope, NMP was and is toast.
And no, when NMP was sold to Microsoft, the sellers knew that Microsoft wanted to buy either Nokia or Huawei. If they bought Huawei, they would just be another Android provider, among hundred others. When Nokia was sold, they got paid quite well, as NMP knew that Microsoft wants to make their own phones and OS, not just another Android company.
Nowdays, Nokia mobile brand has been licensed to a Finnish company HMD, which makes great phones. The phones are good speed, good flash, mSD, and absolutely no bloatware. Those phones were great, and they still are. Now HMD did not continue to license the Nokia brand, and how HMD makes phones with their own name.
HMD stated to make phones with "right to repair" in mind. Phones are good and reasonably priced. They underline that the users can change the display, battery, charging connector etc easily by getting official spare parts from IFixit. The repair info/videos are also available from IFixit. That is a good way, and I am still a happy user of all of the previous products. I do love their "no bloatware" policy, which is how phones must be.
TLDR?
@@heyitsnemo it was a proper read, but here's some of it.
Nokia had smart phone prototypes (linux OS) before iphones. Execs wanted Symbian. Protoing with Linux OS continued behind execs backs, until execs found out and scrapped it. All bets on Lumia, it doesn't sell well, gets scrapped. Some revolving doors, the phone biz is sold to MS. Currently, the phone brand is licensed to some finnish company, which seems have proper values.
Having a “prototype” that never gets to market does not make you leader of the pack. Apple got there first and everything today is just a clone of the 1st gen iPhone. Hate that all you want but it’s the truth.
more than 10 years ago, i was on a Microsoft event about Windows Phone. One guy from Nokia middle management told me the same story. Nokia had a running modern OS but decided to stick with Symbian.
Reason why Nokia did choose windows was that Microsoft had "bought" few of the biggest shareholders minds and that's why management had to put side all others, even that windows phones was not ready
To be an enemy to Microsoft is dangerous but to be a friend of Microsoft is deadly.
happy Microsoft is gone now !
"You fool! You trusted us"
😂😂😂 just like it's father, the USA
@ brother you got it.
Symbian OS was good for its time and it did well... but in my opinion, Nokia's biggest mistake was not to identify that being developer-friendly was SUPER IMPORTANT.
Compared to Android and iOS, Windows Phone was a nightmare for developers... Many jumped ship to Android and iOS. Developers didn't think that it was wise to burn money on Windows Phone that too when their phones weren't selling as well as Androids and iPhones.
Microsoft tried paying good salaries to its developers to try to get them to make good apps. Simply, having decent UI with live tiles and a high MP count camera was just not enough. Nokia and Microsoft both failed to see where the market was headed.
They did identify it, but didn’t execute so well on that knowledge
only apple could do good OS !
Too little too late, Symbian 3 was a big upgrade, the UI was smooth and they made it open sourse, but alas too late.
They didn't have snap chat, and that's what killed them
@@jstan5802Loved my N8 and 808.
That was fascinating, I enjoyed this.
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Nokia Lumia did had single core processor but was snappy than most Android phones which had better RAM/CPU , i still have moderate Nokia collection and Lumia still outshines average Android phones in terms of Snappy Performance
I'm using Nokia 7 Plus. Got it in 2019, still going strong.
Loved my Windows Lumia mobiles, the tile/Metro UI has never been bettered #goodolddays
tbh i still miss my lumia + microsoft band
One of the last good things Microsoft ever did
Tile is gimmicky. I want the iPhone layout for my 150 apps
and it was very responsive vs Android and iOS at the time as well!
@@BRBallin1 no it is not. Its useful.
I'm still using my trusty old Nokia 6310i which I've had for many years and has never let me down.
i still have my Nokia N78 as second phone, the thing refuses to die and ive done maintance (speakers, keyboard and the screen glass) only once in all this years, the screen still works.
Always love to hear a come back story
Stephen Ellop is a class example of bad management.
They actually tried all, They even had newer Symbian model flagship after their first Lumias like the Nokia 808 PureView. They tried Android with their X platform with Nokia X, Nokia X+ and Nokia XL. BUT IMO, What really killed Nokia was when they said they won't support MeeGO (Maemo OS successor) even if the Nokia N9 sells well, They didn't commercialise it in France, UK, the USA. It had the BEST UI and LIVE multitasking device at the time.
Yeah, they could have continued their dominance if leadership wasn't blunt, it is what it is sadly
I had N900 and the Maemo on it work well. Sad story and reason was those bad decitions
@@anttikaipainen6072 Yeah, the N900 was a dream phone for me and I still got mine. Almost buy the N9 but because of Elope decision to not support it, I canceled my purchase as I knew what it was to have store like Google Play or App Store. Nokia's Lumia device was really good as well actually, they were smooth even for the the cheapest Lumia 6xx lines. Battery was good as well but didn't have many back then popular app official support.
Damn I loved Maemo. I used N900 till 2021!
Killing MeeGo was Elop's decision. BTW, the legacy of this OS still lives in the form of Sailfish OS.
If only Nokia had stuck with Maemo/MeeGo OS and adapted it to more modern demands like being Open Source, having App Store etc., they would've left both iOS and Android way, way behind and probably still be flourishing in the market.
Sailfish OS (the continuation/rebirth of Meego/Maemo) is still lacking important native applications, but can run many Android applications.
Nokia 6620 was virtually INDESTRUCTABLE
Nokia can't compete with current phone makers.
And Nokia doesn't want to now.
Around 2017 or 2018 Nokia really did a good job with security updates. In 2024 security updates are missing in action.
@@brentsummers7377 We reached a point where there's no room or need to improve with phone design. It's all about the hardware inside and the price. It's impossible to compete with China, only Samsung, which won't be able to compete much longer and Apple with its millions of fanboys feeding their greed.
@@brentsummers7377 That's not Nokia, but HMD Global, a Finish company that licenses the Nokia brand for consumer phones.
Nokia itself has no consumer hardware that it sells, all consumer hardware with the Nokia brand name is just the Nokia name licensed to a different company.
@@brentsummers7377these are hmds phones, nokia sold their phone division to finish company hmd.
Nokia bought Bell Labs/Lucent Technologies/Alcatel's assets. I used to work for them in the Bell Labs/Lucent era. Nokia now OWNS all those legacy Bell Labs patents. THAT is where all the 5G stuff came to Nokia from
Many mobile phone patents are owned by Google, which once acquired Motorola. When Motorola was sold on, Google kept the mobile phone patents. Google has thus successfully ensured that Apple cannot threaten Android with patent lawsuits.
Aren’t you underestimating Nokia now? Their 5G must have been developed way later than those acquisitions? I work in the industry
Not correct. Yes, Nokia did get 5G patents when bought different companies but Nokia had had always very good research center and they are developing 5G, currently already testing 6G in Oulu, Finland.
Nokia has owned essential patents since 90's when Nokia was one of the key developers for GSM, first digital mobile phone system
Nokia alao aquired siemens network merging to nokia siemens network now known as nokia network
@@paxylAdy yes, but that’s 12 years ago. I doubt that very few patents for 5G that still has any value
I'm ready for a Nokia banger to come out to really put them back on the map. They had so many cool phones back in the day.
Xr21
Very well done! I use a Nokia smartphone and are glad they are back .
Very off topic, but Hari, your voice is so soothing. It’s like velvet! 🙃
11:39 Indian to the rescue 🛟🇮🇳❤
Why didn't Nokia get into the rugged phone/computer market? That seems like it would be the most natural niche for their brand.
They do have rugged phones now
On my xr21 Nokia right now. Amazing phone and immortal. So happy i dont have to use casings and protective films
They made rugged phones 20 years ago, the first I'd seen with an led flashlight and thermometer built in, and no, not a camera flash led.
@@dennisaskeland5870can you do a video review if it? I need a rigged phone
Rugged phones don't sell easily. People buys stylish ones.
7:55 the phones were awesome but the only problem was no apps
I agree, but what you mean specifically which app did you miss?I'm missed snapchat. UA-cam was better viewed on the browstory. Anyways, and the maps thing they could have made some kind of work around with the browser there as well, maybe
My wife and I had both been using Samsung phones for over twelve years but when my Galaxy Note started having problems last year, I automatically looked at a buying the latest version of that phone again. It was only when looking at phone adverts I saw that there were a range of modern Nokia phones that looked almost as good for a fraction of the price. One of the great features of many of their phones is that they are easily and cheaply repairable by the owner. New battery? Replace a broken screen? No problem, you can do it yourself very cheaply. I bought myself a Nokia G42 5G and it's a fantastic phone. It had the latest Android operating system and was far cheaper than any equivalent Samsung or Apple phone. I liked it so much, I bought another G42 5G for my wife to replace her Samsung and she loves hers too. I've noticed that most updates and adverts they email me are now branded HMD instead of Nokia so I don't know whether the plan is to drop the Nokia brand but I don't care. If they keep marketing cheap reliable phones, I'll stick with them now.
Brother(s) to brother.
This guy is doing a brilliant job.
There is no rebirth to it's former glory since the phone division is sold to Microsoft. Nokia is making 20 billion dollars annually compared to Apple's 380 billion dollars annually. It's just a normal telecommunication company like Ericsson which also makes around 20 billion dollars.
They def blundered the smartphone play, but leagues ahead of bankruptcy which is where they were headed 10 years ago
There was nothing anyone could do to save Nokia. It was literally the CRT TV vs the LCD TV. The only thing they could have done was to be like Samsung. Even Microsoft gave up on competing with iOS and Android, what more for a hardware company like Nokia. They were doomed as soon as Steve Jobs revealed to the world the iPhone.
They would be Samsung galaxy position.
@@wander9642 I'm still of the belief that without Microsoft's guy doing the inside job at Nokia, their phone business would have easily survived
@@XGD5layer Literally nothing survived unless you are using Android or iOS. Like I said, even Microsoft, a giant software company tried but failed. It was all about the software back then. If Nokia went full Android like Samsung did, they would have been what Samsung is today.. the dominant other option besides an iPhone.
If Nokia would have continued with Maemo like they did with N900. I'm pretty sure they would've manage to stay alive to compete with android.
I'm also a Nokia die hard fan. My favourite Nokia are
Nokia 515 (keypad Phone)
Nokia N9 (MeegoOS)
Nokia Lumia 920
Nokia 1520
Your key framing is too good
I was a faithful Nokia patron from 1998-2012 when I finally converted to the Iphone-5!!!
That Nokia battery was top tier😂
Interesting story about the history of Nokia. Ironically the Internet connection I'm watching this on is being run by Nokia equipment.
I love android and wasn't tempted to go to Windows Phone. However, as someone who loves widgets, i think Windows Phone was really, really cool. I think the competition wouldve been healthier too, to have 3 players in the mobile os market
Excellent video - well done
You are a worthy channel
Funny thing that while I was working for Nokia Networks we were the poor bastards, barely making any real money, while NMP was the poster child, the goose laying the golden egg. Things turned around since then, NMP does not even exist. Networks merged with the remains of Siemens ICT, and ALU and became even larger than its archenemy, Ericsson, the last oldschool telco company still standing.
@@notmycupoftea7433 Ah! Seeing Siemens made me realise I'm old lol. Siemens, Sagem, Trium, Ericsson, Alcatel, Sendo... We had options then.
I had a window phone befẻoe. I love it super reliable indeed. The only problem was there was not enough app for me to play around with
MeeGO was the probably the most intuitive and fluid OS back then. Shame that Nokia didn't continue it and went with the crapp Windows OS
Agree 😭😭😭
No, people still do not get it. There was no room for three ecosystems. No matter how good it was it would have failed. We saw the same with computers in the 80s and early 90s.
This was really well done.
This a story of perseverance and wisdom,the first flashy CEO was not looking to improve Nokia ,he was doing business for Microsoft,the gentleman that follow had the wisdom,restraint and discipline to renew the company and make a great comeback ,love his survival skills ,and Nokias phones !
Hindsight is truly 20/20. Windows Phone COULD have been king. It was certainly a gamble to put all your eggs in one basket, but honestly, it was probably the right move. The alternative was to become 'just another' android manufacturer, and look how many of those have diminished to nothing. If Microsoft had actually paid attention to what people wanted, vs shoving crap down their throats (my brain was simply never compatible with Windows Phone OS), they might have taken over.
So all the 'hate' is really misplaced. Sometimes you take a shot and see what it gets you. Sometimes you lose, sometimes you win.
Nokia is one of the biggest customers for the company I work for. I once visited one of their sites in Finland (after they became mostly a wireless network equipment provider) to perform some training. It was honestly really cool walking through those halls. They had little displays showing pivotal phones over the years.
Plus they had a fantastic employee cafeteria, I filled my plate with liver and one of the employees escorting me was concerned I didn't know what I had on my plate. It was pretty funny (and seriously delicious).
Nokia was primarily a phone manufacturer, who already supported multiple OSs. There was no need to put all the eggs in a single basket which smelled from a mile away anyway.Microsoft made Windows Phone 7 neither backwards, nor forwards compatible, their strategy was a complete mess. At the time when I heard the news, it was quite clear that Elop was a trojan horse from Microsoft. With choosing Microsoft as the sole partner, all the risk was on Nokia's side. It was one of the dumbest business decisions I saw in the last 25 years.
@@feamatar Devil's advocate: the OS's Nokia did support were all trash, relics from an earlier time. Dumping them made total sense. Going 'all in' with Microsoft wasn't as one sided as many would have you believe, Microsoft WANTED Windows Phone to win, and they put ALOT of money both into their development efforts, and into Nokia. The problem that's so easy to see IN HINDSIGHT is that Microsoft had NO CLUE what a mobile OS should be. They were in their 'win 8' mode of thinking where they felt they should be able to shove whatever solution they felt was best down the throats of customers. And to be fair, it wasn't that far out a position, as Microsoft had been doing that for quite a while already. The difference in the mobile space, which Microsoft just wasn't capable of understanding, is they had competition. They didn't just have the token competition that something like MacOS was, no, they had REAL competition, competition that had better solutions and far better execution. Had Microsoft made a Windows Phone OS that people actually wanted they easily had the might to become number 1. But they were so myopic and just couldn't see what the market really was. The failure was all on Microsoft.
Again, it was a gamble, that Nokia lost badly. But lets be real here: where else could Nokia have gone? Sure, by picking up Android they had a CHANCE of becoming successful, but they would NEVER have reached the peak they came from, they just had too much real competition for that. Nokia was going to sink, how much was the question, and given how 'stuck in the past' they were, I'm not convinced they wouldn't have tanked if they went the Android route as well.
It's the Kodak effect, former kings of markets can't adapt and fail.
@@repatch43 The point is that Nokia was capable supporting multiple OSs before, not that Nokia's own OSs were relevant. Going with Microsoft Mobile only was a gamble only for Nokia, Microsoft could anytime pay to another company to adopt their product. This was a very onesided deal, and by 2010 it was very clear that Microsoft was lacking in execution. We had these arguments with my colleagues back in the day, I am not talking about hindsight.
3:50 steven flop
Nokia phone were the best hands down and are still better than any modern phone
I worked for a Nokia contractor a tester and my sister-in-law worked over the road for Nokia. I remember the whole fiasco well and this video covered it perfectly. Before Elop arrived, the whole company was in cost saving mode. They told their contractors to slash their fees or face being axed. As a result a lot of us lost our jobs about a year before the Nokia layoffs. My sister was there for that Elop presentation and soon after in another to announce their layoffs.
Before Elop arrived, we had heard rumors about the axing of Symbian and that Windows could be a possible replacement. We all said that it would be a terrible idea and that Nokia should try to adopt Android, which was a bold statement as it was a very new product, but we didn't see any other solution.
It's joked that Russia is wealthy because it is just big gas station. I guess it could be said that Finland was just a big mobile phone store at that time. Since the collapse of Nokia, I think Finland has not been doing financially great and is currently in a bad way.
You didn't mention the phones branded nokia made by the HMD group
Whrn is hmd doing to sell their nokia phone in canada usa amd mexico again?
The big difference is the silver bullet versus incremental. Many poor CEO want to make big bold decisions which change everything overnight, they go for the silver bullet. The reasons are easy to understand, its good for the ego, its easy and its quick. The issues are if you don’t understand what you are doing, it always fails. Successful Big and Bold changes are normally built on solid foundations which take years to build, try it on a foundation of sand and you will fail. The best CEO are normally boring CEO's.
If Nokia would have gone for "incremental changes" at that time they'd have ended in the same place they ended anyway. In my opinion, their only chance of preserving their place as a major phone manufacturer was to try something bold (and advertise it widely - which, to my memory, they did). Their only problem is that they tried that bold thing too late. They were in the "incremental changes" business for way too long after Jobs revealed the iPhone.
@@ZiggyMercury I agree they waited too long, but the Microsoft O/S choice was the wrong choice. I had a Samsung Microsoft phone and it was awful. Going down the android path was the safe path that would of been quicker and retained part of their market share, but I agree that it was too late to retain their existing market share.
Another Indian Origin CEO saving a tech giant
shut up indians
He did not
@@Zingzongg well according to the guy he may have saved the company
@@rohitbalaji2000 "may" but nokia is still nowhere to be found so he did not
@@Zingzongg well we have to wait and see then
The supreme irony of it all - Watched this video my N95 from 2008. While I couldn't post a comment from there, everything else worked pretty well actually.
i still remember the days when i had a Nokia 3410, or N 97 or Express music edition or Lumia 1020 phone in my hand. This brought back so many memories. Thanks for that man.
i used to wonder what if Nokia had a Microsoft and Android mobiles at the same time when they launched the lumia series., the time when it all started going down the drain.
even, N900 (Linux phone) was a promising option but that too didnt take off.
anyways, thanks again man for bringin out those fond memories of my old phones, the story behind the company, and the strugles they endured.
Still got my Nokia 3310 ... and before the iphone I already used Microsoft CE touchscreen phones
Using windows mobile is actually a smart move, it made Nokia stand out back then. It was just windows mobile sucks big time, it's on them and not Nokia's fault.
Considering it wasn't good enough then obviously it wasn't a smart move.
Microsoft being a marionette made Nokia Windows phones suck
Had a Nokia 3210, 6070, 5130 and C5-03 - loved them all for their time :)
Then had Galaxy S3 Mini, Galaxy S5 and now rocking a Galaxy Note9
who asked u lil bro
Who asked you to write how his comment made you feel , lil bro? @@disconnect.
@@disconnect. I mean he has his comment hearted sooooooooo
I'm proud being a part of it 2015-24. It's interesting to watch people being surprised Nokia still exist. Even more interesting seeing people assume Nokia Android smartphones on the market being designed and manufactured by Nokia even though it clearly say HMD on the box.
I've had a Nokia X10 for the last two years. It's been solid. No issues and regular OS updates. When I replace it next year (the OS updates are only guaranteed for three years), I'll first look for a Nokia replacement for my X10.
1:09 that was not a so called press conference. That was Steve Jobs' keynote at Macworld. People from media/press sat probably there but it was not a press conference.
I loved so much Nokia 3310 that I use their melody on all my phones.
Wrong, windows 8 had a great interface..... for tablets and phones. I worked at Microsoft surface support, the OS was fine, but if you wanted a desktop experience you didn't use it.
Yeah, but it was a dumpster fire release. First generation of Nokia phones went with Windows 7.5 and it was not possible to upgrade to Win8 which came like a half year later. And of course Win8 did not support anything from Win7. Typical MS fashion and consumers just jumped to Android. At least they didn’t break ecosystems all the time
@@MietoK Windows Phone 7 was Windows CE with a new UI. Windows Phone 8 was the same base OS as the desktop Windows, with the same UI from Windows Phone 7.
* Applications for Windows CE/Windows Mobile 3, 4, and 5 *would* run very well on Windows Phone 6 (the OS had just been renamed and gotten a couple new features but was otherwise very much the same).
* Applications for Windows Phone 6 (or 5) *could not* run on Windows Phone 7 because of the UI.
* Applications for Windows Phone 7 *could not* run on Windows Phone 8 because it was literally an entirely different operating system.
It's really great to see how Nokia has been rebuilding and enjoying renewed success after such a disastrous period in their history.
I am a hardcore Nokia fan. Got first hands on their HMD branded phone resurrection. Nokia 6 was a blast. Nokia 8.1 is in my spare pocket.
I still own a working N97 from 2010!!
I don't want a "smart" phone, I just want a phone for emergencies.
No,get light phone 3
3:51 More like "Flop"
Beat me to it 😅
😂😂😂🤣
Steven Flop
From bankruptcy to billions? Nokia has never gone bankrupt. Ah, the world of fake news and clickbait titles. Thumbs down.
I'm typing this on a Nokia that i bought 2yrs ago and I must say. The speed of this phone and durability is amazing. Nokia X100
No matter how many advance phones I purchase, I don’t get satisfaction as I used to get after getting a Nokia device. This is the only brand I’m deeply in love with. I want them to do well in their present business.
Nokia is going to fall into irrelevancy again as HMD ditches the Nokia brand in favor of their own. This rebirth is going to come to an end soon.
I guess we’ll see
Am not too sure of that! HMD is of today a contractor, and as a such, they both wants and needs money!
To drop Nokia and thereby the name that keeps them with a good renenue would probably be a sweet suicide since almost noone knows what HMD is but as good as whole the world knows what Nokia is!
So to expect HMD to kill their golden goose and replace it with a goat who gives sour milk is nothing i think will happen anytime soon!
/L
out of curiosity opened HMDs Instagram and pretty sure contracted some sort of STD from all that pink 😂
Nokia makes the equipment, that your phone connects over. Well it is one of top 3 in the world. Frankly they were always infrastructure first. They are a phone cable and phone switch maker with over century of history who in 1980's and 1990's got into cell phone game, since they needed phones for people to call with to use the base towers and switches they were making for the telecoms companies.
On 100+ years history, mobilephones is a 20 year hyper growth and success period, boom and bust period/cycle. Now they are back to basics, well the basics never left. Make the tower antennas, switches, fiber optic equipment and modems the call/data/message runs on.
They aren't irrelevant, rather they just aren't consumer facing. You don't get flashy news articles or review videos of the new gadget they made. However that someone elses gadget connects to internet in lot of the world via a Nokia radio head, over Nokia fiber optic equipment and routed over a Nokia network switch.
Without companies like Nokia, iPhones would be iPods. Nor is it a commodity item. Mobile network hardware isn't something just any company makes and can be replaced by myriad of other offerers with no problem. There is only like dozen companies in the world making this gear and trusted by network operators with suppliying it. Big players can be counted by one hands fingers. Huawei, Nokia, Ericsonn (another "didn't they go bankrupt, no they didn't, they just got out of consumer devices" company), Samsung, ZTE.
There is many many makers of commodity level smart phones, but the network equipment those phones rely on, way more exclusive business.
For B2C probably, but Nokia seems to be focused on B2B now in the telecommunications sector and doing well for themselves. HMD and Nokia will just go their own separate ways